In the combat capability of the Russian army any doubts?

Lieutenant-General Viktor Sobolev in the issue of the Special channel YouTube channel questioned the ability of the existing Russian Armed Forces to repel the aggression of a serious opponent in any strategic direction in a tense military and political situation in the world.

According to Sobolev, in Syria, the Russian military did not have a serious experience in fighting, since they had to fight only with armed militants who did not have either powerful air defense systems or modern means of electronic warfare. The main merit in the success of the military operation in Syria, said the lieutenant-general, belongs exclusively to military advisers who helped restore the combat capability of the Syrian army.

The staffing of the majority of the Russian army with contract soldiers who do not have combat experience, combat training courses can lead our army to the fact that in the event of a serious military conflict, the armed forces of the Russian Federation may suffer huge losses, - said Victor Sobolev. To prevent this from happening, we need dramatic changes in the structure of the Russian army.

And the rest of the armies of the world have real experience in open battles with regular troops of other states?

What kind of changes does Lieutenant-General Sobolev propose? Video "Army without military."

Comments

[Bull Terrier]

Uncle retrograde) thinks in ancient categories. I don’t understand what I got attached to apartments and barracks. The dorms are built by contractors on the territory of the unit. Why keep them in the barracks of soldiers?

[Vard]

It says in TC that if you don’t pay money, you can’t work ... But what about contract soldiers in the army? Or do not pay them more expensive?

[Bull Terrier]

But somehow I have not heard about salary delays. All on time for everyone

[Antiliberast]

Quote: Vard

And the contract soldiers in the army with this how? Or do not pay them more expensive?

I was in Altai a month ago, border guards (contract soldiers, the Mongolian border) receive about 100 thousand, there are only foreign cars near the outpost in the parking lot, I didn’t even see our wheelbarrows, normally they don’t complain about them.

[Henderson]

Quote: Anti-librast

near the outpost in the parking lot there are some foreign cars, even our wheelbarrows didn’t even see

but how to choose Russian, where is patriotism?

[MorskoyKotik]

Borders are the FSB. There are completely different salary figures. In addition, good northern allowances in Altai

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Vard

It says in TC that if you don’t pay money, you can’t work ... But what about contract soldiers in the army? Or do not pay them more expensive?

You confuse labor and military relations ....
Not every work is formalized by labor relations in accordance with the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, but also by individual Federal Laws (ex: Federal Law "On the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation", Federal Law "On the State Municipal Service in the Russian Federation"), I think according to which Federal Laws of military personnel serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and other military formations you yourself will find ....
In addition, according to the Labor Code of the Russian Federation, some citizens working in separate posts are not entitled to a strike (even with a delay in salary), etc.: air traffic controllers, etc.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Uncle Retrograde

Are you a modernist?
Let me ask you, what is your rank and title in reality, what was commanded above the branch?
Contractors .. yeah, there’s a panacea for all ills .. the contract team went to bed, then what? Who will complete it?
These are only financiers, they applaud about the presence of horde contract soldiers in the hordes, the dough is not measured, supposedly it is economically profitable to keep them ... in general, blah blah blah ...

[Bull Terrier]

I won’t describe my life) it will be enough to say that I commanded from platoon to battalion in full in all possible positions. With conscripts and contractors. Modernist? More likely than not. Financiers? We have an army of a million and not 5 as with a scoop. You want to complete her conscripts? A contract is not a panacea, it is a necessary reality.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bull Terrier

that he commanded from platoon to battalion in full on all possible posts.

So the battalion commander, it’s not for you to judge the words and conclusions of the Army Commander.
you are on the scale of the ISB.TB or an individual battalion, you don’t see all the tasks and difficulties facing the army. in this case. your bell tower is not so big. to judge from the incorrectness of the spacecraft.

Quote: Bull Terrier

We have an army of a million and not 5 as with a scoop.

And what is this army of a million. Of which GP is also pretty capable of defending such a space as the territory of the Russian Federation, if there are two strategic fronts, for example, western and southern? Shock me with your strategic sketches. Like. By what means and forces you will ensure the defense of the country, with its contract parts. which will burn out in the first two weeks of the conflict.

Quote: Bull Terrier

You want to complete her conscripts? A contract is not a panacea, it is a necessary reality.

Blah blah blah, the contract as it is made is stupid.

[Bull Terrier]

Judging just like me. Not the army commanders work with people, but we. Yes, everything is clear about the mobilization reserve, I just don’t believe in such a war for a long time. For two weeks we will not fight with anyone. As for the kntract ... Working with these people is easier by an order of magnitude, and the efficiency is higher. I personally have not met soldiers of military service who really wanted to study and did something of their own free will. This in my time became a duty and not a duty. And in what form should the contract be your way?)

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Judging just like me. Not the army commanders work with people, but we

Oh .. well started .. the next twist will be the statement. We’ll blah blah blah. Fighting and these .. blah blah blah staff ..

Quote: Bull Terrier

Yes, everything is clear about the mobilization reserve, I just don’t believe in such a war for a long time. For two weeks we will not fight with anyone.

the goat got sick, to go to the garden and watch the cabbage ..

Quote: Bull Terrier

As for the kntract ... Working with these people is easier by an order of magnitude, and efficiency is higher.

Chatter. There is no justified chatter. For a dozen contract soldiers, at best one of which is worth something, the bulk, ballast.

Quote: Bull Terrier

I personally have not met soldiers of military service who really wanted to study and did something of their own free will.

Is this painting in its own powerlessness in raising and educating conscripts? A two-year-old soldier, a sergeant, is a cut above the current contractors. As you teach and motivate, you get such a result.

Quote: Bull Terrier

This in my time became a duty and not a duty.

Have you served in the tsarist army?
In general, it is "Conscription in the USSR, the honorable duty of Soviet citizens with arms in hand to defend the socialist Fatherland and to carry out military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. Military duty is legislatively enshrined in the USSR Constitution of 1936 (Article 132) and on the basis of it is regulated by the Law USSR on universal conscription of October 12, 1967. In accordance with this law, all men - citizens of the USSR - regardless of race and nationality, religion, education, residence, social and property status are obliged to perform active military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. "
Where is at least a word about some sort of service?

Quote: Bull Terrier

what kind of contract should be

Since at the dawn of the advent of this idea, only a post ensuring combat readiness was proposed, with regard to infantry — KO-KBM. Communications — nachRs, in the Navy, and Aviation, depending on the positions that determine their needs for ensuring combat readiness, rather than Chokh.

[Ros 56]

Hey, warrior theorist, you yourself who you will be, in what rank, what you are nonsense. You practice a battalion commander one thing you are across. Okay, once there was no time to sharpen the hair, I ran on business.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ros 56

Hear

Kysh, Anika is a warrior.
I can then have an opinion which is much more thorough than a linear battalion commander (if it’s in reality, at least someone makes excuses), but a linear battalion commander can only judge the issue from the bell tower that he occupied.
Yes, and to see this former battalion commander completely lagged behind life (again, the fact that the opponent was a battalion commander in reality, I doubt) just does not know even the simplest one in terms of mobility training and what difficulties now exist in this matter after Serdyukov pogrom.
So run and don’t stop ...

[Bull Terrier]

Rude to a stranger is not necessary at all) we have not discussed the problems of mobile training, and you clearly evaluate my knowledge in this matter by yourself. And I think it will not be superfluous for you to understand this: the army rests on the officers of the middle and lower level. It all goes through them, and they let it all through themselves. Comrade General has the right to his point of view and asks the right questions, but offers solutions that are old and not the most effective. And this is my point of view, and I also have the right to it. But we are discussing his proposals, right?)

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Comrade General has the right to his point of view and asks the right questions, but offers solutions that are old and not the most effective.

Here with this point of view, you can also debate.
At the expense of being rude, don't be rude, let's omit, there are individuals whose words from Griboyedov's work, "Woe from Wit", cause seizures and epilepsy - before writing denunciations.
Sobolev didn’t do anything with his finger and knows what he’s talking about, if you don’t know him, then to say that he’s morally obsolete is a stretch. Something about Kartopolov, which GlavPur has now become in charge of, will say something in the wrong steppe.

Quote: Bull Terrier

And this is my point of view, and I also have the right to it. But we are discussing his proposals, right?)

True .... here’s your point of view, they answered from the hill, what are you outraged about?
And finally, PROBLEM. But not a problem .. I have not met among the battalion commanders, illiterate officers.
The army is holding on to - "COMMANDER AND Sergeant, ALL OTHER TRANSMISSION LINKS".
Do you know who said that?

[UMA-UMA]

What kind of battalion is he? Writer. "He commanded in different positions, scoop, duty ... with contract soldiers it is easier ..." Well, yes, the thoughts and speech of the battalion commander are direct, yeah.
1. In the army, the linear command in one position - the commander.
2. Not a contractor, but a double bass.
3. Scoop ... is he about his working tool?

[Ros 56]

I understood it myself. what nonsense did you write? Once again, with a feeling, with a sense, with the arrangement correctly present your idea. And so your writings resemble drunken delirium.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: The Swordsman

I then can have an opinion where much more thorough than a linear battalion commander

More likely conceit. Judging by the posts, the opinion is not objective, not real, and very far from the real state of affairs. Although maybe you are from Arbat OV?
According to the report. The general has long been excommunicated from the affairs of the military, his opinion is subjective, therefore, he cannot judge combat readiness and combat training. He does not disclose objective problems of the sun. And the facts cited are all on the lips. Nothing new. Regarding the acquisition and formation of mob reserves, the general also jerked, because he judged by old standards. The criticism of the general is directed not at the armed forces, but at something completely different.
Well, if you are still so enlightened, you should know the latest trends in combat training, which are very annoying in the army.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Letun_64

Judging by the posts, the opinion is not objective, not real, and very far from the real state of affairs

Oh ... well, well, let's put your "objective and real" out, I'm waiting. Just don't roar, oh oh, we were given a couple of planes and a helicopter and a half.

Quote: Letun_64

He does not disclose objective problems of the sun. And the facts cited are all on the lips. Nothing new. Regarding the acquisition and formation of mob reserves, the general also jerked, because he judged by old standards.

Well, yes, yes, of course .. all your scribble on this subject can be broken with one argument-Serdyukov destroyed the mobilization service in the troops. An attempt to restore it now. A miserable imitation, rather than a deal. Don’t know, keep quiet.

Quote: Letun_64

The criticism of the general is directed not at the armed forces, but at something completely different.

Again pitiful babble in fact. The criticism of the general is directed exactly where it should be, the ill health of society also affects the problems of the army.

Quote: Letun_64

Well, if you are still so enlightened, you should know the latest trends in combat training, which are very annoying in the army.

You don’t even know. Because you’re arrogant gazers. You’re not serving in the army, white-ticketers and visionaries. Without knowing what’s going on, they’re yelling to us with all their raven throats, those who serve in the South-East Military District, would tell you a lot of interesting information. BTGR from the regiment in the amount of 4 units and about the BP carousel system. There would be much to tell ..

Quote: Letun_64

Objective problems of the sun, he does not disclose

Not everything and not always should be spoken openly, but you ... you should have moderated the fervor of kvass patriotism.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Ros 56

Hey, warrior theorist, you yourself who you will be what rank,

He has epaulets like you ...

[Ros 56]

You, dear, do not look at shoulder straps, but at the presentation style, because this is bullshit, not a way to express your opinion. A normal officer expresses his idea logically accurately and concisely, and he dared everything in one heap. This already indicates a lot of what thoughts, such and speech.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Ros 56

dare it all in one pile.

Well, then rake your bunch of rambling ora and try to say at least something coherent in the sense of the article and a counterargumented opinion as opposed to mine.
so you boldly declared about yourself-

Quote: Ros 56

what thoughts, such and speech.

That is, no thoughts and speech about anything.

[Bull Terrier]

Yes, I actually do not argue with you) just share my opinion. I do not belittle the merits of a person, but simply disagree with him) understand, I do not sign my own powerlessness but say it as it is. This is in the books of the Soviet era by authors like Karpov, everything is beautiful. If you haven’t read, I advise you. Officers turn gray early or not with a single sword. I graduated from college in 98. I've seen enough of all. And the mess found in all its glory. So then the soldiers of military service showed themselves in all their splendor. They ate carbite, swallowed needles. Cut their hands, hung themselves in public. In short, they did everything to send them home. Then the Dagestanis went, still some fun. Officers fired in batches. Until the end of the contract, the days were counted. Do you want to complete parts with such people? I personally believe that military service should be voluntary. Therefore, contractors always considered a good solution. The technical aspects of the contracts themselves and the staff can be discussed, but the fact that they are needed is a fact.

[UMA-UMA]

Ahhhhhhhh. And before that, the Dagestanis did not go to the army? If you cannot build a soldier, maybe there is a problem in you, in the officer, and not in the conscript?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bull Terrier

I graduated from college in 98. I've seen enough of all. And the mess found in all its glory. So then the soldiers of military service showed themselves in all their splendor. They ate carbite, swallowed needles. Cut their hands, hung themselves in public. In short, they did everything to send them home. Then the Dagestanis went, still some fun. Officers fired in batches. Until the end of the contract, the days were counted. Do you want to complete parts with such people?

Chu ... I thought that I was talking with an officer. And here .... the crying of Yaroslavna ...
Why are you telling me you're in a vest, crying?
If you are not able to manage a division. Including Caucasians, you are worthless, you are not wealthy and you should have changed your profession a long time ago.

Quote: Bull Terrier

I personally believe that military service should be voluntary.

Bullshit. Liberal Dope. Do not tell me more that you are supposedly an officer.

Quote: Bull Terrier

The technical aspects of the contracts themselves and the staff can be discussed, but the fact that they are needed is a fact.

In some posts, it’s appropriate, but 100% of the staff is stupid.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: The Swordsman

In individual posts, relevant, but 100% staff, stupidity

Dear in the Navy, the acquisition of 100% of contractors is already practiced.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Letun_64

the fleet is already practicing the acquisition of 100% of contract soldiers.

The fleet can afford it, but this is not a panacea for the NE.

[alex-cn]

If you have 1-2 dagas in a platoon, then nothing else ... but if you have five, then put a flag in your hands and such a platoon under the command .... Officers after the Afghan could not do anything ... even in the 80s .
True, if a Dagestan undertakes to serve, then he serves seriously, a great thing - but rare ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: The Swordsman

Quote: Bull Terrier

This in my time became a duty and not a duty.

Have you served in the tsarist army?
In general, it is "Conscription in the USSR, the honorable duty of Soviet citizens with arms in hand to defend the socialist Fatherland and to carry out military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. Military duty is legislatively enshrined in the USSR Constitution of 1936 (Article 132) and on the basis of it is regulated by the Law USSR on universal conscription of October 12, 1967. In accordance with this law, all men - citizens of the USSR - regardless of race and nationality, religion, education, residence, social and property status are obliged to perform active military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR. "
Where is at least a word about some sort of service?

What did you get to the bottom of the terms, he is not a lawyer tea, the Constitution of the Russian Federation also says about the obligation:

Defense of the Fatherland is a duty and obligation of a citizen of the Russian Federation.

Part 1 Art. 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
http://www.constitution.ru/10003000/10003000-4.htm

Since it was proposed at the dawn of the advent of this little idea, only a post ensuring combat readiness, in relation to the infantry-KO-KBM. communications-nachRS, in the Navy, Aviation, depending on the positions determining their needs for ensuring combat readinessand not Chokhom. all posts in a row.

Apparently the senior comrades are doing so, otherwise, why have a contractor-shooter, if he can be an conscript?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Lara Croft

What did you get to the bottom of the terms, he is not a lawyer tea, the Constitution of the Russian Federation also says about the obligation:

If a person writes something without understanding what he stubbornly calls himself an "officer", and it turns out to be minimal that he is as far away from an officer as a lobster is from Beijing, then all the rest of his writing is no longer interesting because it is not professional.

Quote: Lara Croft

Apparently the senior comrades are doing so, otherwise, why have a contractor-shooter, if he can be an conscript?

yeah .. your words to someone in your ears .. everyone is trying to equip 100% of contract soldiers, which is impossible now, no matter how anyone would yell about the opposite.

[ultra]

Quote: The Swordsman

So battalion commander, is it not for you to judge the words and conclusions of the Army Commander

Enchanting !!! In your opinion, the former army commander is the ultimate truth?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: ultra

army commander this is true

For you, yes. Have you achieved in life something comparable to the position of the AC? Can you imagine what kind of position it is?

[UMA-UMA]

Imagine that in the army and the platoon commander can be such an instance. And you thought the national council was being collected there and voting was being held?

[figwam]

Correctly the general says. A Western-style contract army is good only against a knowingly weak adversary or participation in a regional conflict.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: figvam

Correctly the general says. A Western-style contract army is good only against a knowingly weak adversary or participation in a regional conflict.

Nobody talks about a fully contracted army. Although the United States and Britain whose armies do not crawl out of the trench this does not interfere ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Lara Croft

Nobody talks about a fully contracted army. Although the United States and Britain whose armies do not crawl out of the trench this does not interfere ...

Well, what is the fighting efficiency of this gathering? And the attack for the bucks, the mercenary walks very reluctantly, and to die for something .... well, someone will get his pennies. He won’t get it ..

[Lara Croft]

Quote: The Swordsman

Quote: Bull Terrier

that he commanded from platoon to battalion in full on all possible posts.

So the battalion commander, it’s not for you to judge the words and conclusions of the Army Commander.
you are on the scale of the ISB.TB or an individual battalion, you don’t see all the tasks and difficulties facing the army. in this case. your bell tower is not so big. to judge from the incorrectness of the spacecraft.

Actually Comrade Mr., like I, first of all, are citizens of the Russian Federation and a taxpayer, so if we need to, we’ll let the Commander through a military tribunal ...,. in civil society (about the construction that we all announced here in the 91st and you Your spacecraft agreed with this, for the sake of shoulder straps) there is such a thing as control over the aircraft ... so please or report to us and foremen or go to serve in the neighboring KPA ....

And what is this army in a million.of which the GP is also pretty capable of making for defense of such a space as the territory of the Russian Federation

In the 41st, your 5 millionth army could not hold the front and died (in most cases, captured) in border battles ....

Shock me with your strategic sketches. How. By what means and forces you will provide the defense of the country, with your contract parts. Which will burn out in the first two weeks of the conflict.

Those. Wouldn't CA burn out in TMV? But she did not cope with regional conflicts, as experience of interethnic conflicts showed ....
There is a peacetime army, and there is a military, according to the laws of the military economy, the armed forces of any country in peacetime should not exceed 1% of the population ...
So the limit of the Russian Federation is the Armed Forces (and other military units) of no more than 1,5 people ...
You, apparently, are going to create a mobilization army with cropped divisions and OA / TA ....

Blah blah blah, the contract as it is made-stupidity

Can you be more specific? You do not like it by yourself (the fact of its existence) or any specific legal aspects (sections, clauses of the contract)?

[Mordvin 3]

And you do not distort, by chance? As far as I know, the strength of the Wehrmacht exceeded that of the Red Army on the Western border.

Quote: Lara Croft

In the 41st, your 5 millionth army,

Whose is yours?

Quote: Lara Croft

The armed forces of any country in peacetime should not exceed 1% of the population ...

Where is the digit from, can you tell?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

And you do not distort, by chance? As far as I know, the strength of the Wehrmacht exceeded that of the Red Army on the Western border.

Sorry, General of the Army. A little bit, But the entire career army remained there on the Western border. By the way, during the invasion of Napoleon, RI did not allow its armies to be drawn into border battles, none of them got into the "cauldron" and we controlled the pace of the French army and the direction of its advance, not the enemy ...
Maybe then military art was better developed and more competent officers and generals were .....

Where is the digit from, can you tell?

Since you wear general epaulettes (which means you graduated from the Academy of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, studied military science - military economics, military construction, etc.), then you should tell me about these numbers, and not me foreman ..., gee .. .

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lara Croft

By the way, during the invasion of Napoleon, RI did not allow its armies to be drawn into border battles, none of them got into the "cauldron" and we controlled the pace of the French army and the direction of its advance, not the enemy ...

Wow, damn it, do not disgrace. Study the strength of the Russian army in 1812. She was smaller than that of Napoleon. And putting it together in a bunch was pretty hard.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Lara Croft

By the way, during the invasion of Napoleon, RI did not allow its armies to be drawn into border battles, none of them got into the "cauldron" and we controlled the pace of the French army and the direction of its advance, not the enemy ...

Wow, damn it, do not disgrace. Study the strength of the Russian army in 1812. She was smaller than that of Napoleon. And putting it together in a bunch was pretty hard.

I know about the strength of that Army of the Republic of Ingushetia, all the more it did not prevent the Republic of Ingushetia from defeating Napoleon and imposing on him the battles and character beneficial to us ....
If the Red commanders were at the helm of the Republic of Ingushetia, then they would have killed the entire army in border battles, as they did in 41 (there are only "boilers") and the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbass confirmed that the Soviet military school requires new views on the war ...
So do not disgrace yourself, first compare the loss ratio of RI and its enemies and the USSR and its enemies in wars and conflicts ..., you will be unpleasantly surprised ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lara Croft

So do not disgrace yourself, first compare the loss ratio of RI and its enemies and the USSR and its enemies in wars and conflicts ..., you will be unpleasantly surprised ...

I was already surprised. Napoleon persecuted with the army in 350tys. bayonets. Our collected six months.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Lara Croft

So the limit of the Russian Federation is the Armed Forces (and other military units) of no more than 1,5 people ...

Who is this clever invented this digital?

Quote: Lara Croft

In the 41st, your 5 millionth army could not hold the front and died (in most cases, captured) in border battles ....

Hmm .. YOUR .. so you are not ours?

Quote: Lara Croft

There is a peacetime army, and there is a military, according to the laws of the war economy, the armed forces of any country in peacetime should not exceed 1% of the population

Who calculated this?

Quote: Lara Croft

Actually Comrade Mr., like I, first of all, are citizens of the Russian Federation and a taxpayer, so if we need to, we’ll let the Commander through a military tribunal ...,. in civil society (about the construction that we all announced here in the 91st and you Your spacecraft agreed with this, for the sake of shoulder straps) there is such a thing as control over the aircraft ...,

I wanted to sneeze at your so-called "civil society" - a stupid and unnecessary thing, useless in peacetime. Dangerous in wartime.
at the expense of the tribunal, try. as if they themselves didn’t rumble there.
And in wartime, members of "civil society" will babble incoherently and stupidly, at least a tribunal, at most a ditch, so slow down, controller ...

Quote: Lara Croft

agreed for the sake of epaulette

It’s you who agree for the sake of something, but I and that KA have a profession, to defend the Homeland, you don’t understand this.

[Same lech]

According to Sobolev, in Syria, the Russian military did not have serious experience in fighting.

Well, why ... well, so to speak, advanced intelligence (Wagnerites) have already been hit hard by Americans ... if you study in detail what happened there, I think that the same thing will happen with further skirmishes of our guys with regular parts of the USA.

[nathanael]

Have you studied in detail what happened there? Well then share the results with us ...

[Same lech]

Have you studied in detail what happened there? Well then share the results with us ...

Was not there ... used various sources from different resources.
In general, it was clear that the Americans used artillery, aircraft and heavy equipment to defeat the Assad militia column and Wagnerites ... you didn’t conceal the sew in a bag ... the operation was planned from start to finish.

[igorbrsv]

As far as I am aware of the actions of the CAA, the advisers to the Russian Federation coordinate. Sometimes SAA inspired by success acts at its discretion without coordination. For which they often pay with life. They were clearly told either only with our permission or not at all

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Nathanael

Well then share the results with us ...

Read the results in the VO in the news and weapons section.

[Bull Terrier]

Judging by the info that the Internet gives, everything was usual there. Ours work in exactly the same way. If they were a regular army then this would not have happened. They would have been trivially covered by aviation. And what would happen then, only God knows.

[Mih1974]

And the general or or "serfs" missed
Where is this stupid person in the World of the video "whose army countries have real experience of war with other countries"? Is it the Iraqi army that the Americans defeated or the Americans who fought EVERYWHERE against the Papuans? Maybe we can learn from the Chinese or the Vietnamese (they fought among themselves), Gerenal is a stupid person, already 10-15 years ago the War (big war) is not at all a Lumpy battle and not a battle for Stalingrad with hundreds of thousands of infantrymen being thrown into the furnace. .
For a long time the Victory in the War over another country is forged in the first days or even hours - destroying its aviation, air defense or missile defense (if any), one of the parties "forges the pledge of inevitable victory", see Syria, where the insignificant (one-time) Aerospace Forces destroys opponents in marketable volumes. And it is not necessary to defend him that "this is just barmaley, but if it were NATO troops" - if it were NATO troops, but also without the slightest aviation and they only have MANPADS from air defense, then there would be "frags" significantly more (due to crowding and a large number of infantry that NATO can provide).

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Mih1974

then the "frags" would have been much larger (due to crowding and a larger number of infantry that NATO can provide).

Overheated at the computer while playing Warhammer?

[Mih1974]

Are there any objections in the sense of the information? Well, I thought so, well, okay, "I'll earn some money as a captain O": How is the "best army in the world" fighting now with the seizure of territories not in the case of a "punitive strike" - as I described, air defense is "cut out", then large-scale strikes on the centers directorates of the General Staff, division headquarters, for the main warehouses of fuels and lubricants and ammunition, Radars; after that, under the cover of fighters, attack aircraft finish off planes and airfields and proceed to finish off armored vehicles or deployed artillery; "Ironing" lasts for some time, until the arganized structure of the enemy troops is destroyed (this can be seen from the deployment or movement of large groups of troops or supplies) and only then a ground attack, with the cover of helicopters and attack aircraft. If serious resistance is found, no "full-length machine guns" are found, but suppression by aviation or artillery is applied !! Note ALL this without even mentioning nuclear weapons, but nuclear weapons will be "abandoned" only if Victory is 100% guaranteed !!! But in the event of a war between the country of NATO and Russia, nuclear weapons will certainly be used, except as I said "Russia's enemy will be guaranteed to be defeated with minimal casualties without the use of nuclear weapons." Moreover, in nuclear weapons, it is not so much radioactive contamination that is important, which is an ass itself, here "quick and guaranteed destruction" is more important. Remember the video from Syria and Ukraine when the "hail" raid or the bombing of the Aerospace Forces did not achieve 100% of the result, because even a small trench almost saves lives, but against nuclear weapons, not trenches, but a ditch, not every tank will protect.
Here words from Vatnik's book come to mind "

..in the fighting area in the village, the sun was lit and a huge ball of fire illuminated the surroundings, expelling the blackness of the Ukrainian night. We stood rooted to the spot, and I reminiscently recalled a joke about / in case of a nuclear explosion, keep the machine gun outstretched /"

No, it was not a nuclear weapon, it was the gas distribution station, there was a leak and mixed with the oxygen of the air when it "banged" it was essentially the same "vacuum bomb" ... It is important that if the enemy of Russia is, for example, Germany (I cannot imagine such an option), then missiles with nuclear warheads will go to Berlin in the first wave. Most likely, American bases with nuclear bombs, airfields, and hubs for transportation will cease to exist. troops, gas distribution hubs and electricity generators. Honestly, I don’t even suppose it is necessary to continue the war or immediately "call" Berlin and offer to accept from the "complete and unconditional"

[oracul]

The presence of general epaulettes does not mean that a person automatically becomes a strategist and tactician in one bottle. Moreover, if he himself did not take part in real hostilities of the new time. And the last thing to get out with such thoughts on Youtube, which was created for those who want to PR.

[nathanael]

Blah blah blah ... Uncle didn’t have time to build a summer house for himself. For free ... Therefore, he advocates such an appeal to the barracks ...

[igorbrsv]

Does General Sobolev himself have experience in military operations? Maybe start with it. And what army of the world, in his opinion, faced a serious adversary, except for Iraq and Yugoslavia, where the United States with mongrel with multiple numerical superiority were. And not so much they were equal opponents for the United States

[Sweetheart]

Quote: igorbrsv

Does General Sobolev himself have experience in military operations?

Will you find the help yourself?
Since 2002 - Deputy Commander of the OGV (s) in the North Caucasus. 2003-06 Commander of the 58th Army of the North Caucasus Military District.
Since 2006, the chief military adviser to the Russian Embassy in India. He left the post when he reached the age limit in December 2010 ...

[igorbrsv]

The fact that the general participated in the planning of operations on a local scale is good. I’m watching a video about what kind of insolvency of the Russian army he was talking about. Maybe I misunderstood something

[MstislavHrabr]

The general speaks to those hats who keep repeating "the vast experience" of our Armed Forces, and the inability to fight NATO soldiers ...
Experience (local) and spirit with us, perhaps more ... But this is not always the decisive factor. The presence of tech. means, new types of weapons, their quantity in a given place and at a given time, etc. can change everything ...

[Flyer_64]

Quote: The Swordsman

Since 2002 - Deputy Commander of the OGV (s) in the North Caucasus. 2003-06 Commander of the 58th Army of the North Caucasus Military District.
Since 2006, the chief military adviser to the Russian Embassy in India.

Those. OGV for a further breakthrough.
I’ll supplement my biography: In October 2011 I joined the ranks of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
Since the Communist Party is in stiff opposition to the authorities and the EP what a report should be of the communist general!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Letun_64

Those. in OGV for a further breakthrough

Give you a transcript to give what OGV (s) its purpose and role?

[Vita vko]

Quote: igorbrsv

Does General Sobolev himself have experience in military operations?

The fact is that the general "sucks everything out of his thumb" while the whole world, including military universities and the General Staff, have long since switched to rigorous mathematical models with a high probability of predicting military conflicts of varying intensity. For example, it is simply ridiculous to listen to his arguments about the combat use of the aerospace forces, especially considering that the Spektr software and mathematical complex has been successfully working and improving for more than a decade. In which not only the primitive balance of forces and means are taken into account, but many accompanying factors up to climatic and moral-psychological.

[UMA-UMA]

But listening to you is not funny, do you think? You at least imagine a primitive ratio in aviation to 1 of our combat aircraft of 7 adversaries. Which spectrum will help you? I don’t mention about the training of pilots - they have better.
And I would like to look at your laughter in the fields, for example, as part of a platoon of a motorized rifle against, say, a ranger battalion or a company. This is precisely our correlation of forces.

[Vita vko]

Quote: UMA-UMA

But listening to you is not funny, do you think?

Do not be so categorical in an area in which you do not understand. What a retired general says, far from modern technology can still be understood, for him a computer is no more a typewriter.

[MstislavHrabr]

I’ll tell you without a Spectrum. The one who hits first strikes where they do not expect and do not calculate ... He has a choice ... And we will not be the first! So they will count, and we will answer as we can and how we can. There will be no time to plan. From this we must proceed ...

[UMA-UMA]

You are funny to me even more. I do not understand, good. Do you understand? How many years did they serve? What was commanded? Participation in combat, if any, where and in what composition? Apparently you are just a theorist, otherwise you need to know that NATO is not primitive superiority over us, but overwhelming, including on a technical level. And here it is not necessary to watch cartoons about the dagger, but in a very serious way to strengthen nuclear weapons and to increase, increase, increase the training of drugs. Without this, no spectrum will help. No. Winged gifts and God forbid the ballistic ones will intercept the crews of military vehicles, not spectra. One word is a peaceful man.

[Vita vko]

Quote: UMA-UMA

You are funny to me even more. I do not understand, good. Do you understand? How many years did they serve? What was commanded? Participation in combat, if any, where and in what composition?

Maybe you still give the keys to the apartment where the money is

Quote: UMA-UMA

Apparently you are just a theorist, otherwise you need to know that NATO is not primitive superiority over us, but overwhelming

Actually, these are NATO pilots who wear pampas, not ours.
The most practical in the army were ensigns, probably you are one of them, since you do not understand that without a theoretical basis, even a fortification of the "trench" type cannot be made competently, not to mention the competent operation of modern weapons.
And about the lieutenant general Sobolev, you can tell a joke.

I used to sleep well because I knew they were protecting me. Then he joined the army. He began to sleep worse because he defended. Now I came from the army. I don’t sleep at all. I know how to protect

But everyone, including Sobolev, judges the army and other officers exclusively within the framework of his experience, as the people say, "everyone thinks to the extent of his depravity."

[Vita vko]

Quote: Vita VKO

Sobolev, judges the army and other officers solely in the framework of his experience,

And if someone forgot exactly during the command of Sobolev in the North Caucasus, the biggest tragedies occurred related to the actions of terrorists, including the tragedy in Beslan.
Intuition suggests that it was not just that he was then sent to India.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vita VKO

Intuition tells

The penny of your intuition is worthless.
Commander of the 58th Army. What does the police who missed the militants have to do before the actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the police checkpoint?

[Vita vko]

Quote: The Swordsman

Commander of the 58th Army. What does the police who missed the militants have to do with the actions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the police checkpoint?

No need to be a hypocrite. Where and who do you think were selling weapons and explosives to terrorists ?! Unlike army warehouses, the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not store explosives. And the fact that the ensign did something extreme does not mean that he acted without the knowledge of the leadership.
Personally, even now I would not hesitate to pass such "active" generals through a polygraph. It is a pity that the FSB does not pay attention to such trifles.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vita VKO

Where and who do you think were selling weapons and explosives to terrorists ?!

Are you surprised? Just like you. And this is not to be denied, there are examples of how the militants armed with weapons that weren’t armed with the army.

Quote: Vita VKO

And the fact that the ensign did something extreme does not mean that he acted without the knowledge of the leadership.

What ensign? Do you have hallucinations?
or are you a former mveshnyy that you so vigorously deny the fact that the convoy of militants passed through the police checkpoint.

Quote: Vita VKO

Personally, even now I would not hesitate to pass such "active" generals through a polygraph.

So you should be subjected to this procedure to find out the reasons, connections and subsequent actions of persons aimed at inciting hostility towards the army.

Quote: Vita VKO

It is a pity that the FSB does not pay attention to such trifles.

I hope the FSB will pay attention to your letters.
And for the reason that you didn’t flock here. Go to Vladikavkaz. Sobolev lives there in the military town of Holtzman, find and chat if you have enough mind, honor and conscience.

[Vita vko]

Quote: The Swordsman

communications and subsequent actions of persons aimed at inciting hostility towards the army.

After such "arguments" you really understand that there are people who simply do not have access to elementary logical thoughts.
It’s necessary to think of it, to evaluate the criticism of the Russian Armed Forces from the retired general as normal. And the arguments that, after this "criticism", call into question the competence and decency of Sobolev as "inciting hostility in the army."

Quote: The Swordsman

you should be. exposed to this procedure

There have been cases in my life when my arguments have tried to refute entire groups of corrupt slab-eaters in uniform. Therefore, I don’t know what a polygraph is by hearsay, there was a case when I myself asked to undergo this procedure in order to dispel all doubts from the special services.
I have the honor!

[igorbrsv]

It is easier to fight on its territory. This is the fortified areas and support, and the rear. In this case, the numerical superiority will probably be somewhat leveled.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: igorbrsv

This and fortified areas

I wonder ... where did you find the fortified areas now if they were physically killed under Yeltsin?
The rear ... this is the notorious outsourcing and private transport companies .... yes .. however you are far from reality.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: UMA-UMA

well let's say a ranger battalion or company

I don’t want to say anything, but ...
the "coolest" and most advertised unit - delta, in fact, turned out to be not so cool

p / s / we were never ready for war, the war plan will show, we are ending the war

[UMA-UMA]

Dear, I'm talking about something else. I'm talking about the overwhelming numerical superiority and complete technical superiority of the enemy, in view of the excellent saturation of his army with modern weapons and technical equipment.
And so, yes - we are the best warriors on earth, definitely.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: UMA-UMA

I'm talking about the overwhelming numerical superiority and complete technical superiority of the enemy, in view of the excellent saturation of his army with modern weapons and technical equipment.

once it was different ?!

[UMA-UMA]

Yeah, it was. Until 91 years. Did you not know?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

surprised allies call up to 91

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

surprised allies call up to 91

Wow .... do you even know anything about the subject of the Warsaw Pact, for example?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

actually, I asked a question about allies and not about satellites, by the way, what did these "allies" do after the collapse of the bloc? !!!!

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

By the way, what did these "allies" do after the collapse of the bloc? !!!!

Again, a bit of knowledge ... and who destroyed this very block? Aren't your gods Gorbchev’s and Yeltsins? Or will you begin to make excuses now, they say yes I have them, then this and that?
Obviously, you see ... the man didn’t serve at all .. has no idea. For example, the army of the GDR was the best ally and the most reliable army among the Warsaw Pact countries.

[UMA-UMA]

You are basically not yourself. I’ll explain it nonetheless.
When the alliance withdrew its troops from Europe, the airborne countries (you still read the Warsaw Pact, maybe you will understand what the allies are) entered NATO.
When the protégé of the current president of Russia stopped financing the army, our country lost its two main allies, the Army and Navy, and acquired a new generation, a new pharmacy of officers who cannot build Dagestani conscripts, and who have backaches and glitches from 160 h / g raids .

[UMA-UMA]

Well, you can’t not know history so. The main allies were 2 Army and Navy, by the way the ocean (450 surface ships and 3000 submarines), there were also VD countries, with very good armies. There was a buffer zone and a strike force group in Europe, with a strength of over a million. The flight time to any capital of the European member of NATO did not exceed 2 hours. I just told you a couple of strokes.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: UMA-UMA

The main allies were 2 Army and Navy, by the way the ocean (450 surface ships and 3000 submarines),

NK was much larger, and the submarine is much smaller than you indicated ...

there were still airborne countries

The German Democratic Republic, Czechoslovakia, and the NDP were quite good ...

[Svateev]

Quote: Vita VKO

rigorous mathematical models with a high probability of predicting military conflicts of varying intensity.

The credibility of any mathematical model depends on the "fashion designer".
Example: "Computer calculations showed that the effectiveness of the new assault rifle for Warrior is (so many) times higher!"
I ask: "What probability of hitting you put into the program?"
Answers: "From the GRAU shooting tables."
I ask: "Do you know that the tables indicate the probability of hitting with an accurate shot, but in the manual for the machine gun it is recommended to shoot with a direct one, at which the probability is much lower? And everyone shoots exactly straight, because you cannot be accurate."
There is no answer, a dumb scene.
That's the whole "rigorous mathematical" model.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Svateev

The validity of any mathematical model

The reliability of research and the adequacy of the model is verified exclusively by practice and testing with real objects. For example, we tested the first versions of Spectrum on NATO operations against Yugoslavia, there is more than enough initial data for this.

Quote: Svateev

Example: "Computer calculations showed that the effectiveness of the new assault rifle for Warrior is (so many) times higher!"

In fact, everything is much simpler. A unit is taken in service with which the old-style systems are located and several tactical situations are modeled, which are then compared with real operations. This is how the model is verified. Then, changes are made to the model related to equipping with new types of weapons. Thus, a very high reliability of the research result is obtained.

[UMA-UMA]

Correct assessment of army readiness at 100%. And the general says not in the context of "no combat experience, then we will lose", he says INSUFFICIENT TRAINING of troops, primarily pilots. Do we have that all pilots fly at the minimum (160h / y)? No! Or is it really a good result for 9000 sorties? Very weak. Or do we have constant combat training in our units? No. Only in some. There are certainly positive shifts in the army, but this is not enough, and more needs to be done than has been achieved, and victorious reports and embellishments in such a situation are harmful.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: UMA-UMA

The correct assessment of the readiness of the army is 100%.

Finally, a sane and clear comment on the speech of General Sobolev. Thank you.

[UMA-UMA]

Thank you for your understanding. Alas, most of the comments here are from optimistic theorists.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: UMA-UMA

Thank you for your understanding. Alas, most of the comments here are from optimistic theorists.

There are violent activists .... and lacking information analysts and experienced theorists ...

[UMA-UMA]

Basically there are empty demagogues. You look very much like them.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: UMA-UMA

. There are certainly positive changes in the army, but this is not enough, and more needs to be done than achieved

for all the good against all the bad, another PR campaign from the Communist Party

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

for all the good against all the bad, another PR campaign from the Communist Party

Imagine something better, you can’t. Do not worry.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: The Swordsman

Imagine something better, you can’t. Do not worry.

Did he introduce something?

[UMA-UMA]

Dear, do you need a specific plan to increase combat readiness from me? No question, I, unlike you, imagine what I’m talking about - I served.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: UMA-UMA

Dear, do you need a specific plan to increase combat readiness from me? No question, I, unlike you, imagine what I’m talking about - I served.

experienced theorist?

[UMA-UMA]

By. Watch cartoons about having no analogs in the world.

[bober1982]

Quote: UMA-UMA

he says INSUFFICIENT TRAINING of troops, primarily pilots.

You have ridiculous comments on aviation, and do not listen to this old general, he says stupid things.
By the way, in military aviation they always said - the captain holds the air force

[UMA-UMA]

You have a ridiculous Venegret in your head, young man. State your thoughts clearly and clearly. Or do not expound at all.

[bober1982]

Quote: UMA-UMA

Do we have all the pilots flying at the set minimum (160 h / g)? No!

Dear UMA-UMA, if a front-line aviation pilot flies 160h / g, his back will be very sore and hallucinations can begin, but for pilots of military transport and long-range aviation, these same 160h / g, this is about a month-long raid.

[UMA-UMA]

What nonsense about front-line aviation? I don’t remember something, Schaub the flyers in my time back hurt. 160 h is the minimum annual raid required for the pilot to maintain their skills. About transporters and the far straight, you enlightened me. But seriously, don’t puff out your cheeks, this does not make an impression on me. You want to say that our army is doing well?

[bober1982]

Quote: UMA-UMA

I don’t remember something, Schaub the flyers in my time back hurt. 160 h is the minimum annual raid required for the pilot to maintain their skills.

Where does such knowledge come from? about back pain and preserving skills?

Quote: UMA-UMA

You want to say that our army is doing well?

We are not just good, brilliant.

[UMA-UMA]

Beaver, by. I do not discuss with couch experts.

[UMA-UMA]

Now I understand the reasons for such a low efficiency of sorties in Syria, it’s just that the pilots started having glitches from back pains and part of the BC went empty.

[bober1982]

Quote: UMA-UMA

Now I understand the reasons for the low efficiency of sorties in Syria,

Everything is clear, everything fell into place - you, my friend, are the enemy of the people.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

new "sternin"

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

new "sternin"

Who is yours?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

do you flood?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

do you flood?
Reply

On this question, here you are and a bunch of similar talkers to you. Not a word about the thoughts of the article, but a loud ryakvasgaz roar, and throwing caps with bras.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you while thoughts about the article the same somehow not very

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you while thoughts about the article the same somehow not very

If you are not able to figure out what I wrote, then why did you get so excited? If you do not understand what Ivashov said, read the article again, you didn’t understand it. Once again. Well, if you don’t understand it again, read until you’re completely assimilated. Just spare me. from your "lumpy" and equally "ingenious" remarks.
What does Grudinin have to do with the meaning of the article? If you don’t like this person, go to the website, the article discussing this or that sphere of the given person’s activity, why are you blaming anything. And then flood excitedly out of business ?
Already tired of the gentlemen slurp EP and in general all this comprador in essence and the actions of a handful ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: The Swordsman

why are you so excited

well excited so you

[Bar1]

Quote: The Swordsman

On this question, here you are and a bunch of similar talkers to you. Not a word about the thoughts of the article, but a loud ryakvasgaz roar, and throwing caps with bras.

don’t worry this forum is like this, the Ministry of truth has been created to cover the Kremlin’s politics with information. You can’t speak Russian, you start proving with facts, you get only defamation or just stupid things, and a lot of unreasonable minuses appear for your opinion, they were introduced on the eve of the pension reform Putin's support.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Bar1

You can’t speak Russian, you start proving with facts, only defamation or just nonsense is your answer, and a lot of unreasonable minuses appear for your opinion

Yes, I know all this bunch of minusers .. call them as they are -nzzya .. well, let's lean on Griboyedov .. "Woe from Wit" from this audience ..

[DVTamga]

Your knowledge is directly proportional to your nonsense. Who are you to give your crazy assessments to others? Another local genius? Nevertheless, comments under the article imply an exchange of opinions, albeit controversial, but not like the rudeness and stupidity that you have spread here.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: DVTamga

the rudeness and nonsense that you have spread here

Well, why your rudeness and stupidity you revealed without the slightest hint of discussion, or at least some semblance of counterargument?

[Lara Croft]

[quote = Bar1 don’t worry this forum is like that, the ministry of truth has been created to cover the Kremlin’s policy information. You can’t speak Russian, you start proving with facts, only defamation or just stupidities are your answer, and a lot of unreasonable minuses appear for your opinion, they were introduced on the eve of this pension reform to support Putin. [/ quote]
And what then do you highlight, there are no other forums, or does the tabe give pleasure when you are being minus?

[Bar1]

Quote: Lara Croft

What then do you highlight, there are no other forums, or does the tabe give pleasure when you are being minus?
Reply

forgot to ask sergeylaracroft ...

[Sailor]

I agree with his every word, his only words are that the young fighter’s courses at 17 are too much, but the idea is correct. They called for half a year of training and a year of service, and preferably one and a half, I think so.

[trenkkvaz]

And the Chinese army has no experience in conducting serious hostilities. This means that China is not able to repel the aggression of a serious enemy.

[Observer2014]

From 3/5 minutes speaks the truth.

[bober1982]

The general says stupidly, it’s only possible to bawl at meetings, which he does, and now on YouTube - it turned out even more stupid.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: The Swordsman

Quote: Lara Croft

So the limit of the Russian Federation is the Armed Forces (and other military units) of no more than 1,5 people ...

Who is this clever invented this digital?

This is a military science, you don’t know about it, your KA should know, because graduated from the Academy of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ...
But in order not to overwork the tabe, here is a link from this site from 2012:

Based on the listed requirements with full mobilization deployment, the domestic Armed Forces should have from 2,5 to 3,5 million people, including from 0,6 to 1,5 million as part of groups that solve problems in one or two local wars in one or two strategic directionsand the rest are forces covering the border in other directions, systems of comprehensive support and management.
Based on the required number of wartimes of 3,5 million and an average coefficient of mobilization deployment of 2,3–2,7 (based on the experience of the Second World War, conflicts of the second half of the XX - beginning of the XXI centuries), you can determine the minimum necessary composition of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in peacetime - 1,2-1,5 million people.

https://topwar.ru/22535-obosnovanie-chislennosti-vs-rossii.html
You comrade pk, do not be offended at a military school, you could not be taught the mobilization deployment and resources of the Russian Federation ...

I wanted to sneeze at your so-called "civil society"- Things are stupid and unnecessary, useless in peacetime. Dangerous in wartime.
at the expense of the tribunal, try. as if they themselves didn’t rumble there.
And in wartime, members of "civil society" will babble incoherently and stupidly, at least a tribunal, at most a ditch

How did you take the oath with such a worldview:

Karl Marx и Friedrich Engels, German economists and sociologists:
Civil society is a sphere of material, economic life and activity of people. It is it that is primary in relation to the state, civil life as a sum of diverse interests holds the state together.

Those. Do you and the AC oppose the foundations of the state, do not share the ideology of the USSR (which gave you everything and the AC) and contradict Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation?
Those. in the sense of the above, you do not give a damn about civil society, do not give a damn about all people?
Do you serve KA?

so slow down, controller ...

Ham ...

That you agree for the sake of something

When you and KA agreed with everything in the 91st, I went to school ....

and I, and that KA, have a profession, to defend the Homeland, you don’t understand this.

This statement contradicts your previous statement about civil society ... and meanwhile, in the Military Oaths of the USSR and the Russian Federation, people are mentioned ....
Accordingly, during the threatened period and during the war (no matter how intense it is), you and the spacecraft will shoot people at the ditch or bring them to the Military Tribunal ....
I would like to hope that the KA does not share your thoughts about the multinational people of the Russian Federation ....

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Lara Croft

Military oaths of the USSR and the Russian Federation, people are mentioned ..

The people, not the useless "civil society" invented by the liberal fraternity, mindless and illiterate, trying to "control" what it has no idea about.

Quote: Lara Croft

I went to school

You have not yet come out of short pants, unfortunately.

Quote: Lara Croft

Ham ...

Are you talking about yourself? Well, I’ll advise you again, slow down, I should not impose an opinion of a liberal type, I’m not fond of nonsense.

Quote: Lara Croft

Those. in the sense of the above, you do not give a damn about civil society, do not give a damn about all people?

Another showing of a liberal way of thinking.
I don’t care about the part in society that thinks in liberal cliches; they don’t tell them who and how to think and whom to consider.

Quote: Lara Croft

Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, German economists and sociologists:
Civil society is a sphere of material, economic life and activity of people. It is it that is primary in relation to the state, civil life as a sum of diverse interests holds the state together.

And you do not confuse the interpretation of these people. With the interpretation of your liberal swamp.

Quote: Lara Croft

contradict Article 282 of the Criminal Code?

When there is nothing to say, it’s not fate to think, it’s hard to understand it at all, nagging about article 282 begins.
Well, pure liberal ....

Quote: Lara Croft

It's military science baby

Baby, you’re not to be rude to me, keep quiet about military science, you’re generally zero in it.

[Bar1]

Quote: Lara Croft

When you and KA agreed with everything in the 91st, I went to school ....

and you for a start a boy or girl? People with a blurred floor have a smeared consciousness, so proof for you, as a fact, is an unattainable thing.

[Anchonsha]

Decided to earn an image Sobolev? And which army had experience in waging war? The United States, other NATO countries? In addition, in any army there are some drawbacks in creating a combat-ready army, and contract soldiers may not be specialists in military matters, and they need to be taught. And where are you ready to get it?

[d1975]

Quote: Ros 56

You, dear, do not look at shoulder straps, but at the presentation style, because this is bullshit, not a way to express your opinion. A normal officer expresses his idea logically accurately and concisely, and he dared everything in one heap. This already indicates a lot of what thoughts, such and speech.

I agree with you, who thinks clearly, then clearly states!

[konstantin68]

Judging by the medals on the jacket, the strategist is still. solid "sand".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Sweetheart,

Quote: The Swordsman

Again, a bit of knowledge ... and who destroyed this very block? Aren't your gods Gorbchev’s and Yeltsins? Or will you begin to make excuses now, they say yes I have them, then this and that?
Obviously, you see ... the man didn’t serve at all .. has no idea. For example, the army of the GDR was the best ally and the most reliable army among the Warsaw Pact countries.

Sorry, but you are strange people, why did you get the idea that I respect the EBNu and the tagged? !!!
if you read more carefully and not only here you saw what I wrote about the GDR, but that was an exception and there is no such country anymore, but everything else as soon as possible, healthy skirts pulled to the other side, and not the first time

[servla]

Knowing firsthand what is happening in the Armed Forces, I fully agree with what was said in the video. Separately, I would like to thank such people as "The Sword Bearer" and "Uma-Uma", it is nice that there are still competently reasoning people. Thank you very much. Well, in fact, what is being discussed. Let me remind you from history: at the end of the thirties, an interesting book came out, which, decades later, I managed to read it too. It was called - The First Impact (Nikolai Shpanov) - in that book there were also a lot of hats, just like here. And there was also a book - "Vanka company" (Shumilina) - there such a hat-taker met reality. In general, God forbid that neither we nor our future descendants NEVER saw wars, and God forbid that mankind does the right things! Such as, for example, the conquest of outer space. I have the honor.

[bober1982]

Quote: Servla

so that neither we nor our future descendants will NEVER see wars, and God grant that humanity is engaged in the necessary affairs!

Wars are necessary, it’s just not customary to talk about it, and it’s not invented by me, and this necessity is not hatred of humanity.
As you have noticed, humanity cannot do any necessary things and never did. In war, a person understands all his insignificance and his own insignificant deeds, which you call necessary.
Gold is refined many times by fire to make it betterwar clears man.

[Dzungar]

Who is this...? And where did he serve fought ...? It feels like he is one of those generals who were moved only to get rid of the dunce .....

[seacap]

All this has already passed. The most important thing that gives the appeal is a potential "hot" mobilization reserve. In the event of a serious conflict, the personnel will be "knocked out" within a few weeks, and the main task of the regular army is to give time for mobilization measures in the country, to take on the first and most massive strikes, due to their professional skills to inflict maximum damage the aggressor, equalizing the potential and combat capabilities, enabling the mobilized, less prepared and well-coordinated reserve, to engage in battle under simpler and more stable conditions. This is for those who are in the "topic" at the level of a couch or garage expert, this axiom is known to any career lieutenant who graduated from a normal "pre-reform" military school. Everyone knows perfectly well how the loss of personnel in the Crimean War, in the 1st World War ended for the Russian Empire, this is not yet taking into account the experience of other countries. Destruction of Russian military science and schools, and the madness of our comprador government with the help of "Taburetkin", when the oldest schools with their scientific and teaching facilities were destroyed, when they began to teach at once in the Amerovian manner and everything, as a result, nothing concrete, is already yielding results. Yes, it has become more beautiful for pictures and advertising, new technology appears, which, against the background of the 90s without money, when the defense potential and the country itself were purposefully and systematically destroyed, looks "cool" and is presented as the greatest achievement. But, all this is laid down and developed by so many modern "analysts" hated, "scoop", designers, engineers and workers of the Soviet engineering school, including, by the way, cybernetics and digital control systems, i.e. those people whose life path, to the greatest regret and, as it were, not to trouble, ends, and about the new queens, kitties, pattons, Ilyushins and kamovs, and not hear. And the realities are such that in Syria in 2 years we have already lost aircraft, moreover, of serious types, more than the coalition for the entire war in the East, losses in l / s, and the officer corps and contract soldiers are higher than those of the "partners" for 4 years, and mostly from them, with an indistinct answer with smearing snot on their cheeks. After all these reforms and fanfare, even royal rockets fly into space, about new ones and not even heard, at airports in the country, Boeings and airbuses, our only at the exhibition and salons, by the way, they were also developed by the "hated scoop", etc. etc. As a result, everything looks not so rosy, but sad, with unpredictable consequences. All this can be continued indefinitely, over 30 years of treason and betrayal they have done a lot.

[Keyser soze]

A gentleman may be right, but he comes from the realities of the Cold War. Nobody needs a man-waged war now and the West is not ready for it.

Look, is there at least one combat-ready army in Europe? No, everything is in ruin - the Germans don’t go tanks at all ... Even in several NATO countries, including mine, they are discussing the return of military service, because there is no word from the army at all - theoretically the Russians can go to La Manche in a week. In practice, everyone knows that if there is a war tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow there simply will not be Earth - there are enough missiles for everyone. The army will evaporate along with all the rest.