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Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

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Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov became a rare guest of political talk shows on federal channels. More recently, it was different. What are the reasons for such changes?


Perhaps with the position of Ivashov on the current state of affairs not only in the world, but first and foremost in Russia itself.
According to Ivashov, the power throughout the world is more and more obviously passing into the hands of the owners of huge capital, who with the help of funds concentrated on their accounts can afford to carry out political dictate. In this scenario, politicians of any rank turn into puppets.

Leonid Ivashov:
The fight between the West and non-West becomes decisive. And what we see in the person of the SCO, BRICS, ASEAN and other international and intergovernmental organizations, says that the process of creating a poly-civilization world is underway. On the other hand, we see attempts by the international financial oligarchy, which is sitting on dollar funding, to stop this process. The West has completed its work and now it is inferior to the East, led by the People’s Republic of China.


General Ivashov notes that all this leads to armed conflicts that may be exacerbated in the future. We will observe the disappearance of entire states, such blocs as NATO.

Leonid Ivashov says that in this situation, Russia today does not have a single geostrategic and political ally.

Ivashov:
Russia is the only country in the world that does not have its own ideology. No idea, no own worldview. Russia for China, India, Europe is a trade partner, nothing more. Russia in its status has dropped to the level of the third world countries, but even they are already bypassing us.


The general asks a question: if a big war happens, then for what in this case to fight, when there is neither ideology, nor stable ideological positions, nor real allies.

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  1. Conductor
    Conductor 8 September 2018 06: 20
    +29
    How to fight for what? For Rottenberg, Abramovich, Sechins. Millerov, Gref, Kudrins, Siluanovs, Skvortsov and Golikov, and of course for Mu and Pu. They are the pillar of Russian statehood.
    1. Vard
      Vard 8 September 2018 06: 27
      -5
      Why fight? For the money ... Who will offer more ... For that and to fight ... The machine gunners closed the South Coast of the Crimea ... They don’t just do this ... without insignia ... PMCs ... Here they are will fight ...
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 09: 02
        +3
        Wait, PMCs are fighting for the oligarch. Are you and we to do with it?
      2. konstantin68
        konstantin68 9 September 2018 15: 48
        -1
        Quote: Vard
        Over in the South Coast of Crimea, machine gunners closed ..

        Where exactly did they close it? You saw?
        1. margo2000
          margo2000 24 September 2018 16: 18
          +2
          Do you have doubts? Or he believed the GDP that it is the self-defense forces of Crimea.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 8 September 2018 06: 31
      +27
      And for what at all times they fought? For the homeland! Add the rest to taste.
      1. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 8 September 2018 06: 56
        -12
        And what did the Motherland give you to fight for it, let alone die? Today is capitalism. Nobody will die for the idea, for money either. So why fight? And against whom? Against those who gave you the Internet and a computer? Against those whose cars do you drive and where do you go to relax? This is who you need to be to give up all this? And if you have a second citizenship? Fight against second citizenship? And if you have children attached there? Fight against your children?
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 8 September 2018 07: 18
          +22
          Homeland is not only a geographical space or a state - it is also Mom and Dad, Children, relatives, friends. Your House, you also will not go to war for it?
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 September 2018 07: 36
            +15
            What is the homeland in the bathhouse if we integrate into the WORLD ECONOMY !? We are developing Russia and competing with the West, I agree. But we do not compete and are not going to compete! Is it clear now? And Putin is also talking about integration! But the truth is when he is told about the implementation of decisions of the integrated economy, he talks about sanctions and a biased attitude towards Russia! And you will not go to war? What to fight against? Do you want to abandon the computer? From flying on a Boeing and traveling on a Ford? Refuse plastic cards and hypermarkets? Think about it yourself! You didn’t like the USSR, now you want to fight against what wasn’t in the USSR! Guys! You probably dress or underpants or a cross! You have such a salad in your head!
        2. Antiliberast
          Antiliberast 8 September 2018 07: 48
          +19
          Quote: Mister Creed
          So why fight? And against whom? Against those who gave you the Internet and a computer?

          Generally easy, no problem yes
          Quote: Mister Creed
          Against those whose cars do you drive and where do you go to relax?

          Well then I'll write on the shell - Hello! From Russia with love!
          Quote: Mister Creed
          This is who you need to be to give up all this?

          Oooh, this must be a rare reptile, so that to raise the weapon on the enemy who has stepped onto your land, because he gave you a computer and a machine, yeah.
          Quote: Mister Creed
          And if you have a second citizenship? Fight against second citizenship? And if you have children attached there? Fight against your children?

          laughing Buga-ha, I can't laugh, but here so many copies were broken because of the "attachment" of children over the hill lol I will not look at your posts, so I will try to guess, you are probably one of those who live the worst in Russia and are not happy with everything? Well, then, you have to suffer on a foreign car and you rarely see children, this is why anger and misunderstanding. I understand you, when it starts and if you suddenly get captured by me, be sure to tell me that we were hanging on the VO website, then I won't shoot you right away, we will talk, tell us what you are fighting for, and I will understand thenwassat
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 September 2018 08: 02
            -9
            Oh well! Laughing out loud! Right now they abandoned the enemy iPhone and the Internet !? Well, a joker! # Ohh, this must be a rare reptile, so that to raise an weapon on the enemy who has stepped onto your land, because he gave you a computer and a machine, yeah. # How much do we resist this? Russia lives and are not happy with everything? Well, then, you have to suffer on a foreign car and you rarely see children, because of this anger and misunderstanding. I understand you! # We have few such people who are dissatisfied with life in Russia and sending their children over a hill ??? # tell us what you’re fighting for, maybe I’ll understand then! # So tell me what you’re fighting for! In the USSR, everything was just disgusting !? Today everything is just wonderful! What will we fight for and against what ???
            1. Antiliberast
              Antiliberast 8 September 2018 08: 19
              +22
              Quote: Mister Creed
              Right now they abandoned the enemy iPhone and the Internet !?

              Iphone never was. I just don’t see the point of dumping a ton of money for a piece of what I’ll buy much cheaper. I don’t refuse from the Internet, we don’t fight yet, and even if there is wi-fi ( lol ) then why not look at porn after a fight request You probably didn’t understand me, it’s violet to me who and what gave us (by the way, it’s not free, but I’ve got a lot of it, but it’s also good for me, and if this good man comes with a trunk and starts trampling the potatoes in my garden, well, Well, he’ll have to, of that, well, it’s iron to him a little in the back (if you have to not disdain) to cram for there is nothing to turn back laughing
              Quote: Mister Creed
              We have few such dissatisfied with life in Russia and sending their children over a hill ???

              So the fact of the matter is, someone who can no longer send a child to a caterpillar tractor and in a field and somehow lives, and the one who sends over a hill, cries no money, this is the paradox request
              Quote: Mister Creed
              In the USSR, everything was just disgusting !?

              I try to keep quiet for the USSR, because not so much of it was "captured" by virtue of being born in '76, I can't say anything bad, but there were enough misunderstandings there too.
              Quote: Mister Creed
              Today everything is just wonderful! What will we fight for and against what ???

              The fact is that I do not tie the Motherland to the time, it was mine, is and will be under any "manager" and system.
              1. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 8 September 2018 08: 43
                +6
                Why do many think of the invasion as a military occupation? The army is already yesterday. Modern warfare is the capture of territory without military force. The latest example of such a successful operation is Ukraine. The greatest success was during the capture of the USSR. With the help of jeans and chewing gum, they overwhelmed an entire empire! Many volunteers were to defend the USSR? More or less than 41 meters? Today, the whole country is littered with imports. And who today repels imports? Is there a state policy on this? But this is also a war!
                1. Antiliberast
                  Antiliberast 8 September 2018 08: 55
                  +11
                  Quote: Mister Creed
                  Why do many think of the invasion as a military occupation?

                  Well, as I understand it, we are discussing the words of the general from the video, and he seemed to mean this. But I don’t agree with Ukraine, we had it in the 90s, we survived, Ukraine will survive, the Americans are better off, but when the time comes to blame with honor (without shame) they will fall down, well, of course it doesn’t completely depend on them, they just need help smile
              2. Silhouette
                Silhouette 19 September 2018 09: 49
                +1
                Quote: Anti-librast
                The fact is that I do not tie the Motherland to the time, it was mine, is and will be under any "manager" and system.

                And what if Hitler was the "manager"? Or Rockefeller?
                1. Antiliberast
                  Antiliberast 19 September 2018 17: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Silhouette
                  And what if Hitler was the "manager"? Or Rockefeller?

                  A strange question, it’s kind of clearly written there-
                  Quote: Silhouette
                  she was mine, is and will be for any "manager" and system.

                  This does not mean that I will agree with them. request This does not mean that at the same time I will territorially relate to another country. I don’t know how else to explain to you, maybe it will be more clear-Homeland - the country in which a person was born, lives and works; historically owned to one or another people, a territory with its nature, features of historical development, language and culture, way of life and mores.
            2. dvina71
              dvina71 8 September 2018 10: 33
              +12
              Quote: Mister Creed
              Right now, they abandoned the enemy iPhone and the Internet!

              Buying a piece of plastic for 70k rubles .. this is the height of stupidity. But with the Internet you got excited ... you used it in the USSR .. and the opening championship is very sporty ..
              Quote: Mister Creed
              How much do we resist this?

              You will not believe .. most of the officers of the Russian Imperial Army at the beginning of the 19th century easily chattered in French, and spoke Russian with difficulties .. However, during the battle of Borodino, about 2000 officers and generals were killed and wounded ..
              Quote: Mister Creed
              What will we fight for and against what ???

              Always .. if we discard "faith and the tsar" .. most stubbornly the Russian Army fought for the Fatherland ..
        3. konstantin68
          konstantin68 9 September 2018 15: 50
          +2
          Quote: Mister Creed
          And what did the Motherland give you to fight for it

          Do you need to give something? Shtetl some ideology.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 8 September 2018 07: 26
        +18
        and no one thought about the civil war? then for "which" homeland will you fight? external threat, everything is clear there, but if it lights up from the inside? Who will stand for “Rublyovka”? National Guard ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 September 2018 07: 39
          +9
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          and no one thought about the civil war? then for "which" homeland will you fight? external threat, everything is clear there, but if it lights up from the inside? Who will stand for “Rublyovka”? National Guard ...

          I think Rosgvadia will not last long ..
        2. Antiliberast
          Antiliberast 8 September 2018 07: 52
          +9
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          who will stand for "Ruble"? National Guard ...

          And how will the National Guard in America be ??? Well, I will definitely go to Rublyovka, I never rode a Ferrari, and there is their nest repeat
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 8 September 2018 08: 04
            +7
            And there is still a bunch of interesting things! tongue
            1. Russia
              Russia 8 September 2018 08: 19
              +15
              Quote: Phil77
              And there is still a bunch of interesting things! tongue

              I agree, the girls will side with the strong. smile
            2. Antiliberast
              Antiliberast 8 September 2018 08: 40
              +5
              Quote: Phil77
              And there is still a bunch of interesting things! tongue

              laughing The vector is clear, not well, cho, no, of course I will not drag the gate home and the cover from the well, but if an overcoat from "Chanel" comes across, why not, not a ragamuffin to defend the Motherland request zhrachka-shoes is the right thing, and gold trinkets and money will then be of little interest to anyone who knows when they will kill and what difference does it make in the ground.
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        4. user1212
          user1212 11 September 2018 04: 46
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          who will stand for "Ruble"? National Guard ...

          Do you think that Donbass is fighting for the golden toilet of Yanukovych?
      3. ilimnoz
        ilimnoz 8 September 2018 08: 36
        +7
        it’s good to fight for the Motherland, and if the Motherland was turned into an evil stepmother?
        1. avt
          avt 8 September 2018 09: 19
          +11
          Quote: ilimnoz
          it’s good to fight for the Motherland, and if the Motherland was turned into an evil stepmother?

          All these "investigations" of the soul resting in search of truth "are treated. Moreover, the military tribunal (the inventors of this word generally practiced decination in their legions from the unit that fled from the battlefield, our Slavic ancestors were more humane - they forced cowards to wear women's dress) and the shooting of deserters. , alarmists in front of the line. See order # 227 ANY REGULAR army in the World stands and will stand on that. Which, after the victory, again of all
          Quote: Forestol
          Vlasovites, Bendera and others

          she is obliged by the court of a military tribunal to enforce the sentence. Well this is in reality, and not on the Internet.
          1. ilimnoz
            ilimnoz 8 September 2018 14: 40
            +4
            I'm not talking about the tribunal and executions of deserters and alarmists. here, without question, the regular army will collapse without such orders. I'm talking about the fact that in the current situation and system when the people are split into "elite" and "byd .." the latter will not be eager to give their lives for the former. and the former are likely to wash off to the quiet harbors. mercenaries will have to fight, forgive the contractors. and queues at the military registration and enlistment offices as during the Second World War, when the overwhelming majority of the people were eager to defend their homeland, most likely will not. and the reason is that not all the Motherland is, unfortunately, a mother.
          2. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 14
            +2
            Clear! Those who took the money to offshore tribunals! But no one is betraying Che? Did everyone sell everything? Who was sentenced? To nobody! And then what about breaking spears?
          3. Slavik Ivanov
            Slavik Ivanov 9 September 2018 08: 53
            0
            Aha ... .. tribunal !? Here you lay it all out not to an ordinary peasant, but to the judges who release "thieves in law" and not Slavic ones, but who will sit in the tribunal Khakhalev! ??? All of you are so much to scare a simple guy !!!!!!!
        2. user1212
          user1212 11 September 2018 05: 09
          0
          Quote: ilimnoz
          it’s good to fight for the Motherland, and if the Motherland was turned into an evil stepmother?

          Yeah. And under Peter I the serfs who beat the Swedes, the Motherland was right MOTHER lol
          1. ilimnoz
            ilimnoz 11 September 2018 06: 40
            0
            Mother or not mother say streltsy riots and other uprisings. but under Peter there was still a kind of social. elevator. however, as now ....
      4. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 09: 06
        -4
        Vlasovites, Bendera and others fought for the same Motherland, only which какую
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 8 September 2018 10: 40
          +5
          Quote: Forestol
          Vlasovites, Bendera and others fought for the same Motherland, only which какую

          Look at Thomas and the insignia .. and you’ll understand. There is such a general .. Sweetheart .., here he fought for his homeland and returned to his homeland after the war .. to serve her. Unlike general Krasnov ..
          http://vintagegoods.us/item-detail/patches/2-ORIGINAL-UNCUT-GERMAN-UNIFORM-PATCH-POA-RUSSIAN_132483867534.html
      5. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 7 October 2018 13: 45
        0
        For the developed world, the war for the homeland is over. But the war against neoliberalism and international corporations will begin, because they chop loot on the backs of all, in all countries.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 8 September 2018 06: 33
      +15
      They are the pillar of Russian statehood.

      In Russia, the support of state power has always been and will be the Russian people ... his faith in the tsar, the father-president.
      There will be no Russians and no Russia ... this is so obvious ... therefore our ideological opponents will do everything so that at the grassroots level the Russians will forget their history, without their ancestors you cannot build the future.
      Deprive the Russian of his roots ... make him tolerant and he will become defenseless, gullible and easily controlled by amorphous nothing.
      This kind of ideology is sometimes tried to push us by various reformers and adventurers.
      As for the various rich people hanging out near the GDP, history has shown that they are easy. they are selling both their homeland and their sovereign ... the only question is price.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 8 September 2018 06: 41
        +3
        our population, and without the notorious tolerance, is defenseless, trustful and easily controllable ...
        without a king in his head, but with a king in the Kremlin ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 September 2018 06: 57
          +1
          +1
          our population, and without the notorious tolerance, is defenseless, trustful and easily controllable ...

          Well, judging by the Kremlin’s reformatory pension idea, not everything is so gloomy ... smile sometimes people wake up to the understanding that you can’t agree with the king in everything.
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 10 September 2018 16: 05
            +1
            To clarify, the protest against pension reform is only the reason, the main content is the accumulated dissatisfaction with the government and the policies pursued, which lead to the constant poverty of the people ...
        2. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 8 September 2018 07: 01
          -1
          But the Israelis, judging by the comments on VO, are solid skeptics!
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 8 September 2018 06: 59
        +2
        As the experience of the coups shows, the king is overthrown by his retinue.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 September 2018 07: 08
          +3
          As the experience of the coups shows, the king is overthrown by his retinue.


          It depends on which king is in power ...
          If the tsar holds the retinue along the string and hangs out when he wants ... then he lives for a long time and dies his death ... if the tsar-father is the simple-minded Vanka then they make a clown out of him and he ends badly as well as his people ... such and the history of our modern tsars ... the modern presidents of Russia differ little in their manners from historical characters from the past.
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 September 2018 07: 20
            -1
            If the tsar holds the retinue along the string and hangs out when he wants ... then he lives for a long time and dies his death ... if the tsar-father is simple-minded Vanka then they make a clown out of him and he ends badly # It's like Ivan the Terrible and Nikolai the second ? Why then Poroshenko is not overthrown? Why then did Pugachev sell theirs, and Hitler held on to the last?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 8 September 2018 07: 29
              +6
              Why then Poroshenko is not overthrown? Why then did Pugachev sell theirs, and Hitler held on to the last?

              Poroshenko is not a king, but a doll ... behind him, a curator from the United States pulls his strings.
              smile His own and his own ... can only betray his own.
              There were attempts on Hitler ... the German generals paid for it with their own heads.
              1. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 8 September 2018 07: 49
                -1
                Is our king completely independent? Here are just today, yesterday cited data on retirement age in Russia. Data for 2017, and retirement age is accepted today! Is it clairvoyance or a plan? There is a video in the internet about the dollar exchange rate a few years before this rate! And who pull the strings? There were attempts on Hitler! But! Why didn’t anyone surrender it and sold it to us or the allied army?
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 8 September 2018 08: 06
                  -1
                  Is our king completely independent?

                  No, of course ... all of our actions as he said the slave on the galleys are subject to a certain logic ... nothing the GDP just does ... what there are a lot of questions to his entourage ... that we don’t see on the screens of zombies ... what are their plans ... resources ... what will happen when the GDP leaves the political Olympus of the Kremlin ... don’t know what
                  1. Mr Credo
                    Mr Credo 8 September 2018 08: 26
                    +2
                    The fact that the actions of the rower are subject to a certain logic is understandable. That's just he rowing towards the West. Integration! The Indians were also integrated in due time. And where are these Indians now? Does Russia differ from Indians or Ukrainians? Yes, nothing! Like the Indians, we are moving towards the reservation. And our leader leads us there!
                    1. Same lech
                      Same lech 8 September 2018 08: 35
                      0
                      Does Russia differ from Indians or Ukrainians? Yes, nothing! Like the Indians, we are moving towards the reservation. And our leader leads us there!


                      If NATO accelerates further eastward ... then of course we can share the fate of the Indians ... and Vasyugan swamps will become our reservation ... here I agree with you ... the outlook is gloomy.
                      1. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 23
                        -1
                        If NATO accelerates further eastward ... then of course we can share the fate of the Indians ... # But who allowed NATO to expand? Started with MSG. Then Putin allowed this by surrendering Ukraine. Ideas for cooperation with Japan and China in the Far East are also being promoted. So who contributes to the seizure of territories? Who sells Kemsky parish?
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 8 September 2018 08: 41
                      +5
                      Does Russia differ from Indians or Ukrainians? Yes, nothing!

                      How long did those Indians last? Less than a hundred hundreds of years? We have graters with the West going 8 hundreds of years, from the beginning of the annals. And each time, having unleashed a war, the West gets a nickel each. The woodbreakers are rare, they can’t get into the mind.
                      1. Mr Credo
                        Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 29
                        +3
                        Oh witcher! I envy your optimism! How many years did the USSR last until the United States surrendered? Who are the makers? These makers understood one rule. War using the army is very costly and inefficient. And they created a very effective mechanism for the destruction of countries without the use of military force! And who is the club here?
                    3. Katyusha
                      Katyusha 8 September 2018 12: 12
                      +5
                      "Is Russia different from Indians or Ukrainians in any way?"
                      This for the Naglo-Saxons would like nothing. From Indians and Ukrainians - at least 700 years of experience of statehood. Half of them are of the imperial type, to which only a few of the nations "reached". With a great desire to drink and plunder this entire heritage, you can, of course. But not as easy as for the Indians and other Haidamaks. The easiest way to "descend" is through the low birth rate; few people pay attention to this path, but at the moment it is, unfortunately, the most "effective" one.
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              2. isker
                isker 8 September 2018 09: 16
                0
                ceteris paribus - Hitler identified himself with the people of Germany ... and Putin? ..
      3. Conductor
        Conductor 8 September 2018 07: 20
        +11
        They remember the Russian people when they cook it. as in 1812, 1914, 1941
      4. Svarog
        Svarog 8 September 2018 07: 45
        +11
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        In Russia, the support of state power has always been and will be the Russian people ... his faith in the tsar, the father-president.
        There will be no Russians and no Russia ... this is so obvious ... therefore our ideological opponents will do everything so that at the grassroots level the Russians will forget their history, without their ancestors you cannot build the future.
        Deprive the Russian of his roots ... make him tolerant and he will become defenseless, gullible and easily controlled by amorphous nothing.
        This kind of ideology is sometimes tried to push us by various reformers and adventurers.
        As for the various rich people hanging out near the GDP, history has shown that they are easy. they are selling both their homeland and their sovereign ... the only question is price.

        Those whom he allowed are hanging out near the gdp; Putin does not need to be separated from his entourage.
        Putin is a mediocre leader and this is the same fact as the fact that Dimon is not a distant person.
        The Russians have not believed in the tsar and Putin for a long time .. but Russia still exists, so here you are mistaken. The pillar of power in today's Russia is the oligarchs, security forces and theatrical clowns, and of course TV.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 8 September 2018 07: 53
          +3
          The pillar of power in today's Russia is the oligarchs, security forces and theatrical clowns, and of course TV.


          smile These are just tools ...
          Ask yourself why the USSR fell apart so quickly ... despite all the power of its state apparatus ...
          I understand this so that the clamps that held this colossus were sharpened at the very bottom, that is, among the people.
          The people ceased to believe their rulers and the power collapsed overnight ... no one rushed to defend the CCHR ... this lesson should be learned by the current rulers in the Kremlin if they intend to rule Russia.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 8 September 2018 08: 49
            +6
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I understand this so that the clamps that held this colossus were sharpened at the very bottom, that is, among the people.
            The people ceased to believe their rulers and the power collapsed overnight ... no one rushed to defend the CCHR ... this lesson should be learned by the current rulers in the Kremlin if they intend to rule Russia.

            Dear, braces, people .. Where did you see that the people would decide something? Tell us, in which country is this happening? Everything is decided by the elite, and the people either support its actions or not .. When the people do not support the actions of their "elite", then there are those who want to "excite" the people and sweep away the "elite" ..
            And the ear of clay feet is Putin’s Russia, and the Soviet Union collapsed, just the weary elite that betrayed everything and everyone ..
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 8 September 2018 10: 46
          -4
          Quote: Svarog
          Putin is a mediocre leader

          On the one hand, it’s good that you think so simplistically .. On the other hand, it’s bad that you are trying to present your thoughts publicly .. Why is it bad ..? Because you can’t justify your flat thoughts ..
          No need to answer .. I don’t want to fuck with a sectarian .. There are at least three sects on VO .. a global strike, network centrics and you .. "Putin is bad" ...
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 8 September 2018 12: 26
            +4
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: Svarog
            Putin is a mediocre leader

            On the one hand, it’s good that you think so simplistically .. On the other hand, it’s bad that you are trying to present your thoughts publicly .. Why is it bad ..? Because you can’t justify your flat thoughts ..
            No need to answer .. I don’t want to fuck with a sectarian .. There are at least three sects on VO .. a global strike, network centrics and you .. "Putin is bad" ...

            A sectarian is more likely you wassat And I, unlike you, can easily justify my statements laughing But people like you do not have their own view; propaganda dictates this view to them. Answer the simple question, why are we at the Gabon level in terms of purchasing power per capita? And what do we produce that is in demand abroad? Note that these are only two questions from the economic sphere, and if I start asking questions from the social sphere, I definitely won’t get an answer from you laughing
      5. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 09: 12
        +5
        The most stupid thing is to put Russian in Orthodoxy in Russia. This is treason, as the remaining 180 nations become second-class citizens, that is, the base for the enemies, and all are not Orthodox Gentiles. The same Communism was an ideal faith for any nationality and religion, a universal tool. We are not Israel, where the Jews are, but the whole world is miserable goyim.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 September 2018 09: 19
          +3
          Quote: Forestol
          The most stupid thing is to put Russian in Orthodoxy in Russia. This is treason, as the remaining 180 nations become second-class citizens, that is, the base for the enemies, and all are not Orthodox Gentiles. The same Communism was an ideal faith for any nationality and religion, a universal tool. We are not Israel, where the Jews are, but the whole world is miserable goyim.

          It is very correctly noticed .. We need a faith that unites .. and unites people only socialism.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 8 September 2018 09: 35
            -2
            but only socialism unites people.

            Something in the USSR, he did not strongly unite people what
            the Chinese were smarter ... they quickly realized that the slogan one country two systems more modern than just one country and socialism and see how they take advantage of both capitalism and socialism.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 8 September 2018 12: 27
              +2
              Quote: The same Lech
              but only socialism unites people.

              Something in the USSR, he did not strongly unite people what
              the Chinese were smarter ... they quickly realized that the slogan one country two systems more modern than just one country and socialism and see how they take advantage of both capitalism and socialism.

              Lech .. you are Lech according to your worldview and it’s obviously too early for you to enter into polemics .. laughing
            2. Mr Credo
              Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 43
              +3
              How smart are the Chinese? They took the ideas of Stalin and embodied them. They have Mao on money and in the mausoleum. And where is Stalin?
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 8 September 2018 09: 23
          -4
          The most stupid thing is to put Russian in Orthodoxy in Russia. This is treason, as the remaining 180 nations become second-class citizens, that is, the base for the enemies, and all are not Orthodox Gentiles. The same Communism was an ideal faith for any nationality and religion, a universal tool.


          Strongly disagree with you.
          The greatest stupidity is to deprive the Russian people of their identity ... as the Communists did during 70 years of their power ... why after the Gorbachev perestroika in the neighboring republics the massacre of the Russian-speaking population went ... tens of thousands of Russian people died ...
          you carefully keep silent about this under the guise of your ideal faith in communism.
          First of all, the Communists should rely on the Russian people, and you did everything to push it away from you.
          Arrogance, arrogance, indifference to the fate of the Russian people is the reason why I do not accept your ideology ... despite the fact that communism basically implies fraternity, equality and happiness to all people, this is the utopia and tragedy of the 90s of the peoples of the USSR it revealed.
          Never has a Russian man been a Nazi in relation to other nationalities and those who often go on behalf of Russians to smash stalls of Caucasian ethnicity themselves are provocateurs of interested persons who could be anyone ...
          from a politician to an ordinary felon.
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 46
            +4
            Lyokha! Somewhere you suffered the wrong way! The 90s is the coming to power of opponents of the Soviet regime. No need to drag the Communists here.
        3. dvina71
          dvina71 8 September 2018 10: 53
          +3
          Quote: Forestol
          The most stupid thing is to put Russian in Orthodoxy in Russia.

          big stupidity is what you wrote ..

          For example, in the lists of 91 St. George Knights of the Guards Naval Crew “for the French campaign of 1812-1814” there is a sailor-Tatar Murtaza Murdaleev. It is worth noting that at that time there was one degree of rewarding the lower ranks with the St. George Cross, and this award was the only one for them at that time. Considering that the staff number of the crew was 518 people, and it was updated at least twice during the campaign, it becomes clear that Murdaleev was one of the best sailors of the crew.

          More details: https://islam-today.ru/istoria/mirovaa-istoria/tatary-v-carskoj-armii-25-let-tazelejsej-sluzby/

          Even the religious composition of officers of the Russian army of the 19th century.
          http://www.svdeti.ru/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=424:army&Itemid=96
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 8 September 2018 12: 40
            +3
            Quote: dvina71
            Quote: Forestol
            The most stupid thing is to put Russian in Orthodoxy in Russia.
            big stupidity is what you wrote ..

            You just have a hard time understanding what Forestol meant wassat It was about relying on an idea and this idea cannot be religion or any nationality .. The idea of ​​socialism, that’s what united people for 70 years and still the overwhelming majority would like to live under socialism ..
          2. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 52
            +1
            I, too, are categorically against putting on Orthodoxy. Russia is not a mono-ethnic country. And sticking out one religion as a state is super impudence. Reliance of the state is not a religion, but a social system. And the question of faith is a personal question and has nothing to do with the state.
        4. Katyusha
          Katyusha 8 September 2018 12: 33
          +3
          The biggest foolishness in Russia is NOT to put on Orthodoxy and Russians as the core-forming force of the empire. With all the disadvantages of this "core". The USSR literally "breastfed" the world "goyim" - Africans, Latinos and other "proletariat", at the expense of the poverty of its people. They were shocked to the fullest for their rosy "proletarian internationalism". And Israel has a lot to learn - they managed to reformat in time, like the Chinese, having preserved the socially oriented base of statehood.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 8 September 2018 13: 00
            +2
            Quote: Katiusha
            +1
            The biggest stupidity-it is NOT to put in Orthodoxy in Russia

            The greatest stupidity is to put on religion .. any religion should unite people, and if it is not, then it is a pseudo religion because what kind of good it is because of which millions of people suffer and die ... And as for Orthodoxy, then it’s enough to see how Patriarch Gundyaev lives modestly and how he cares for the people in order to understand that the state uses religion to control the masses ..
            1. Katyusha
              Katyusha 8 September 2018 13: 15
              +2
              Vladimir, I also don't like a lot about Orthodoxy. But this is all - that is, that the people have "worked out" in the sphere of spiritual "basic cement" for centuries. And without this "base" there is only one way - some kind of Russian version of the current European secular tolerance. Many Russians are now actively looking for alternatives in Rodnoverie, Buddhism, Yogism, Vedism - it is not a fact that all this, even with super-good intentions, will not lead to the collapse of the Russian Empire, which now exists in the Russian format. A people without spiritual state-forming guidelines - a flock of infantiles and jackals, will commit suicide.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 8 September 2018 13: 53
                +1
                Quote: Katiusha
                Vladimir, I also don't like a lot about Orthodoxy. But this is all - that is, that the people have "worked out" in the sphere of spiritual "basic cement" for centuries. And without this "base" there is only one way - some kind of Russian version of the current European secular tolerance. Many Russians are now actively looking for alternatives in Rodnoverie, Buddhism, Yogism, Vedism - it is not a fact that all this, even with super-good intentions, will not lead to the collapse of the Russian Empire, which now exists in the Russian format. A people without spiritual state-forming guidelines - a flock of infantiles and jackals, will commit suicide.

                I agree with you that there should be something that the people will unite. In my opinion, this is an ideology and is better than a socialist idea, they haven’t come up with anything yet, here it needs to be developed, so it will unite the whole world, or at least the citizens of our country. That Christianity, that Islam, I think these religions are not correct, because of them people have experienced a lot of evil ... Buddhism is closer to me ...))
                And for the state to exist, it is enough to appreciate the opinion of the people and curb theft, corruption and nepotism ..
              2. Forestol
                Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 52
                +1
                There is an axiom, there is not a single religion in the world that would unite the people. Ivashov tells you plainly that patriotism alone is not enough, and religion will divide everyone. Communism involves tight control, and our leaders from the former KGB do not want to regain control over themselves. An elite from whom it is incomprehensible that forms a fool with low-lying interests of philistinism. Private business, where more and more people work, generally a cesspool in ideology, is forced to teach Scientology, or they will rush to Orthodoxy, or something else. And the basis of all this outrage is the ownership of all the media by the FIVE families of the world elite. Here they then invest in us their ideology.
              3. Mr Credo
                Mr Credo 9 September 2018 06: 57
                0
                Is Orthodoxy a native Russian religion? Nothing that this religion is synonymous with integration into the global economy and the surrender of the faith of Russia by foreigners? In fact, this is a betrayal of Russia's interests in those days! Such an escape for eurotrucks! Ukrainians are not pioneers in this matter!
        5. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 14 September 2018 18: 15
          -2
          There are more than 80% of Russians in Russia, and it’s quite fair to define the state for the majority, cut off the minority, because there is no great discrimination, only the defining idea and policy of statehood. Over the past century, an anti-Russian policy has been pursued in Russia, which is what we have today - the dominance of nationalities even in the capital ...
      6. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 14
        +3
        There are two extremes that are equally fatal for Russia: Russian nationalism, the division of territories according to national characteristics, and, on the other hand, the transfer of power to NOT Russians, including in the regions. Any small nation begins to drag its fellow tribesmen, cronies (Dagestan a vivid example), but this never happened in Russians.
      7. Slavik Ivanov
        Slavik Ivanov 9 September 2018 09: 03
        +2
        So your Motherland is no longer there !!!! The entire south of Russia, according to the Armenian version, belongs to Armenians since ancient times, prisons and those who "sat" in submission, or in slaves of Georgian, Armenian, Azerbaijani "thieves in law", mineral resources and minerals belong to Jews, markets to Muslims, gypsies use drugs to finish off the latter the boys on the streets, Judge Khakhaleva and her husband Robik are taking away the last arable land from the Russian people, and they are helping to take away the Cossacks with St. George ribbons on their chests, what are you talking nonsense about?
    4. Wedmak
      Wedmak 8 September 2018 06: 43
      0
      Forgot to mark sarcasm?
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 8 September 2018 07: 38
      +10
      Quote: Conductor
      How to fight for what? For Rottenberg, Abramovich, Sechins. Millerov, Gref, Kudrins, Siluanovs, Skvortsov and Golikov, and of course for Mu and Pu. They are the pillar of Russian statehood.

      Ivashov asks a very correct question and it concerns not only war. Without ideology, there will be no state.
    6. lucul
      lucul 8 September 2018 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: Conductor
      How to fight for what? For Rottenberg, Abramovich, Sechins. Millerov, Gref, Kudrins, Siluanovs, Skvortsov and Golikov, and of course for Mu and Pu.

      Russian always knows what to fight for. Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish from it.
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 17
        +1
        Well, a poster with the slogan designed, but in fact? Where are the remaining 40% of the population of Russia located, by the way, in national territories? I remember a childhood quote, Russian, Vali to Moscow, and here I live ...
      2. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 9 September 2018 07: 02
        +1
        Clear! In the 90s, Russians fought for jeans and chewing gum. This is our everything, and all we need !? Aliens with chewing gum and jeans from this weapon did not die! Maybe all that who comes with what lies will die from that? Who died of the dollar?
      3. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 14 September 2018 18: 19
        -2
        Lukul, - Here is to stand up for your family, your city, the state versus the oligarchy with Israeli passports, and the same in the government, robbing an imperceptible \ but the state and people, already?
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    8. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 10 September 2018 16: 41
      0
      Why there is no ideology in Russia, and what ideology Rotenberg, Chubais, Mendel and other Abramovichs can offer, the Zionist will not work (there is a suspicion that there were secret attempts), and other national Russians will be at the peak of the top of the Russian Federation ... So the Russian statehood without a rudder and sails, but so the top even easier to rob the country ...
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 8 September 2018 06: 23
    +8
    But ideology is wretched, but it is. Money!
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 18
      0
      This is a global trend for many centuries.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 8 September 2018 06: 26
    +2
    Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

    I agree with the author completely.
    Our allies are temporary travel companions, so to speak ... they will tightly abandon us like drinking ... that has happened more than once.
    Ideology is also at the state level somehow abstract. Moreover, it is prohibited by the constitution.
    But on the other side ...
    Any ideology is a way of manipulating the masses, a kind of game "in the fool."
    The main thing is to seize property and power.

    Here is another look at the ideology of modern Russia ...
    https://subscribe.ru/group/mir-iskusstva-tvorchestva-i-krasotyi/4667348/
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 8 September 2018 07: 24
      +3
      How "for what"? And for the given opportunity to "work for (the Kremlin organized crime group ) the good of the Motherland" to the grave?
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 September 2018 06: 40
    +10
    Here they go, ideology, ideology ... Do you say fight for money? What about your family? Friends? You will not fight for them? For your house in which your parents lived and will you and your children live ??? What ideology is needed for a country that wants to just calmly develop, trade, explore new opportunities for a person? After all, progress - why not ideology?
    Or do you absolutely need a bust of the "father of the nation" in the red corner and brainwashing from the TV with the same stamps ????
    And as for the allies ... yes there are none, never was and never will be. There will be only fellow travelers. That's the whole layout. Get used to it.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 8 September 2018 06: 55
      +10
      A colleague, Ivanov’s entire message is addressed to those in power who, in all his speeches, constantly reminds Garant that Gorbachev’s place has been taken and that Gaddafi’s fate has been immortalized in YouTube. In 2011, the authorities refused Ivashov’s registration for the presidency, only now this government understands that they have five years left and is rushing around, they don’t know what will happen to them and fear.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 September 2018 07: 01
        -1
        Sometimes it seems to me, this is a personal opinion that Mr. Ivashev himself is raving. And the further you go, the more delirious it is.
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 8 September 2018 11: 23
          +3
          Ivashev raves ?! Look at his speeches and compare with Channel 1, Russia and finally with the government, I'm sure your point of view will change. Yours faithfully yes
        2. Forestol
          Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 18
          0
          freshly. What do you smoke?
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 September 2018 06: 58
      +7
      Quote: Wedmak
      Here they go, ideology, ideology ... Do you say fight for money? What about your family? Friends? You will not fight for them?

      Somehow, in the comments to one article, one "very smart" went broke, saying that he was "ready for his family, but for the oligarchs for nothing." I asked how he would convince the attackers that they should fight only with the oligarchs, but not touch his family. There was no answer.
      And by the way, many traitors justified their betrayal precisely by the fact that they say, not against the homeland, but against the authorities.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 September 2018 07: 05
        +6
        but how will he convince the attackers that they should fight only with the oligarchs, and not touch his family.

        Everything is nowhere easier. You just need to exterminate the enemy - this is the main goal, and the oligarchs themselves will either run away, or they will quietly pass them over as traitors. Do you really think that they will personally help the front, fight, etc.? Now they are in power, in wartime their level will "slightly" change.
        justified their betrayal precisely by the fact that they say, not against the homeland, but against the government

        justification for himself, not to admit the truth - that he is a coward and a traitor.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 September 2018 10: 49
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          Do you really think that they will personally help the front, fight, etc.? It is now they are in power, in wartime their level will "slightly" change.

          Interest Ask. They are power in their country, but if they capture the country, then who will they need and who will they be? One of the reasons why all these NRs so joyfully destroyed the army and defense of the USSR was because they were sincerely convinced that if they became rich they would immediately become their own in the same USA. It just turned out that they were nobody there and no matter how much money they had. It is unlikely to fight personally, but the rest is likely not from some moral reasons, but to maintain their power.
        2. Forestol
          Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 20
          +4
          the slogan is for Russia, but against the government, this is the slogan of any Vlasovite. As a result, the death penalty by hanging. This is the thing.
      2. avt
        avt 8 September 2018 07: 19
        +7
        Quote: Dart2027
        And by the way, many traitors justified their betrayal precisely by the fact that they say, not against the homeland, but against the authorities.

        And why go far for examples - the same Vlasov in the Great Patriotic War.
      3. Conductor
        Conductor 8 September 2018 07: 24
        +5
        The oligarchs, if anything, will immediately fall down. And here we have to puff. And then they will come again, and they will beat themselves in piles in the chest, that they, for Russia, have given everything up))))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 8 September 2018 07: 34
          +3
          And then they will come again, and they will beat themselves in piles in the chest

          Who will let them go? A lot of lords, counts and others came to Russia after the Second World War?
      4. Slavik Ivanov
        Slavik Ivanov 9 September 2018 09: 16
        0
        So beggar, borrow money so that children would buy and feed school uniforms, work to the grave and in your free time glorify the authorities that gave you all this !!!!
    3. seos
      seos 8 September 2018 07: 04
      +6
      Our Enemy is inside and it is not beneficial for him to develop Russia .... no one will omit a strong country with sanctions ...
      1. Slavik Ivanov
        Slavik Ivanov 9 September 2018 09: 19
        0
        Yes, here they are internal enemies, then Khakhalev, Khoroshavin, a forensic expert in the case of "6 year old drunk boy" and many others !!
    4. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 8 September 2018 07: 11
      0
      Fight for the family !? Tomorrow your wife will send you, the children will forget. Fight for friends !? Did they help you a lot? Drink vodka, so friends! Borrow a million, go you! Fight for your home !? What is he like if you live in a rented apartment or in a mortgage !? The country wants to develop quietly !? Where are the development projects? Where are the sources of funding and the amount of funding !? Who is responsible for this and what is the punishment for failure to fulfill !? Progress? And what is the progress !? In increasing the working time !? Is this progress? Why is working time not decreasing but increasing !? Why is the retirement age growing !? The witcher! Enough of the slogans. Are there any real offers?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 September 2018 07: 26
        +7
        Fight for the family !? Tomorrow your wife will send you, the children will forget.

        And who made you marry such a woman? Who made you bring up children so that they forget your father? Indeed, it is better to watch how they cut and shoot their throats.
        Fight for friends !? Did they help you a lot? Drink vodka, so friends! Borrow a million, go you!

        "Cool" you have friends, if so ... Only I think you confused the words "friend" and "drinking companion".
        Fight for your home !? What is he like if you live in a rented apartment or in a mortgage !?

        What's the difference in essence? Well, you will not fight for "your" home. You will live in a dugout in the uranium mines. Cool probably.
        The country wants to develop quietly !? Where are the development projects? Where are the sources of funding and the amount of funding !? Who is responsible for this and what is the punishment for failure to fulfill !?

        Yes, as it were, tried to search? Even under sanction pressure, new technology is being developed, scientific programs are being carried out, flights to the Moon and Mars are being prepared. Another question is that these sanctions do not allow doing it faster. And another question is in official thieves, but this thinking needs to be changed, it is not at all fast.
        Progress? And what is the progress !? In increasing the working time !? Is this progress?

        Enter once in the search engine "new technologies in Russia", you will see.
        Why is working time not decreasing but increasing !?

        Where is it so?
        Why is the retirement age growing !?

        Because people after 60 really still work ???? I do not need here about the maximum age in the Russian Federation and "we will not live". The only omission of raising the retirement age is that it was necessary to tie it to the profession more strictly.
        Are there any real offers?

        What suggestions are you waiting for? I am not Katz, I voiced my thoughts above. What suggestions do you have?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 8 September 2018 15: 34
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          flights to the moon and Mars are being prepared.

          Do you seriously believe this? Prepared back in the USSR, even released space cheese "Orbit".
          Quote: Wedmak
          "new technologies in Russia", you will see.

          Do you want to talk about old technologies? I know one training and industrial complex where people with disabilities collect offal for tremors. Work - two days a week. This would be to reach the minimum. Norms - howl with longing, took the smartest electric broom, and installed on it.
          Quote: Wedmak
          do people after 60 really still work?

          With a normal pension they would not work.
          Quote: Wedmak
          The only omission of raising the retirement age was to tie it to the profession more rigidly.

          What is it like? Do not understand.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 8 September 2018 07: 33
        0
        The wife will not send, if you are in peace and harmony with her, how to bring up children, friends, too, are different who betray, because it is so beneficial at that moment, someone else is independent of the moment. Does age and duration grow? So who voted for that? For a flyer for cranes, and as the proverb says, a titmouse in the hands is better than a crane in the sky.
      3. avt
        avt 8 September 2018 08: 39
        +4
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Are there any real offers?

        There is . Ever since the days of Minin and Pozharsky, when the same type of socialism was not observed, as well as in the 1812th year with its partisan movement. And taking into account the experience of 1941-1945, all of you
        Quote: Conductor
        So who voted for that? For a flyer for cranes, and as the proverb says, a titmouse in the hands is better than a crane in the sky.
        There will be two alternatives for marsh hamsters - at the call, even though the surname is not Kalashnikov, to get a machine gun, and who does not get -SKS, or, a mosinka ", but live in line according to the laws of wartime. YES! Maybe someone will get the" maxim ". Well, this is for those who voluntarily, like the Moscow Militia, did not go. Or, again, like many who scrambled from Moscow in the fall of 1941, you will get acquainted with the NKVD-Rosgvardia obstruction commandant's offices. They are your moaning about
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Where are the development projects?
        They will not listen and "Far Eastern hectare" will not be offered either, well, if in advance today the mind was not enough to portray the Lykov family. You can, of course, become accomplices - elders, burgomasters, schutzmanschaftpolitsai, well, like - "Motherland and the State are not the same", then as lucky as anyone ..... then dump to hell in holes in the world zashkheritsya or on the gallows. Because, again, practice is-see. the fate of Vlasov, Krasnov, Shkuro and others smaller.
        1. Mr Credo
          Mr Credo 9 September 2018 07: 12
          -1
          This is nonsense, not a comment! What are the Minins and Pozharsky, what is the experience of the Second World War? Draped offshore is not yet familiar with the detachments and the tribunal!
      4. Slavik Ivanov
        Slavik Ivanov 9 September 2018 09: 25
        0
        Well, the people who lived in front of us won the 8-hour working day from the bourgeoisie, but what are we !! ???
    5. Conductor
      Conductor 8 September 2018 07: 21
      -1
      Et, I said the same thing, but later YOU.
    6. Antiliberast
      Antiliberast 8 September 2018 07: 23
      +7
      Quote: Wedmak
      Here they go, ideology, ideology ... Do you say fight for money? What about your family? Friends? You will not fight for them? For your house in which your parents lived and will you and your children live ???

      laughing Well, as you see, this is a small trifle and not a royal thing - for friends, for family, for the Fatherland. Then give high matter! And for someone, it is enough that the enemy does not stomp his native land, that's all ideology request .
      1. Russia
        Russia 8 September 2018 07: 50
        +4
        I agree, live emotions, the core of life is undermined.
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  6. apro
    apro 8 September 2018 06: 46
    +6
    I was at a training camp. We talked with the men ... there’s no reason to fight. Trust in the authorities and the authorities is lower than the baseboard.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 8 September 2018 06: 58
      +4
      Listen, well, we all say that in peacetime and we often criticize the authorities on business! Well, what if he really presses us? What we won’t get up to? And not for Putin’s abstract, but for his house, his family and just our Motherland! is and will be! I am sure.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii 8 September 2018 07: 23
        +2
        Phil77, but to the point. good
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 8 September 2018 07: 31
        -8
        For which Motherland? My Motherland was shot by "Kantemirovtsy" and other Yeltsin guardsmen in October 1993. For me now, the Motherland is where I feel comfortable. If you are comfortable in this country, then fight for it, personally I am a pass.
        1. Russia
          Russia 8 September 2018 07: 46
          +6
          A person is looking for where is better, and the fish is deeper, sorry, but against the general background, you relate to the statistical error. hi
          1. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 8 September 2018 08: 51
            -1
            What a statistical error if people leave their cities and villages in Moscow !? Are he traitors? And those who are leaving the country? Who are they? And those who promote foreign languages ​​as the basis for success? Who are they? Heroes, traitors, recruiters, refugees?
          2. Forestol
            Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 43
            0
            a lady with low social responsibility from your own opera? I understand that if the Americans pay you a good pay, you and Russia will sell?
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 8 September 2018 07: 53
          +4
          But I have one Motherland, here I was born, here and came in handy. And if you need it, I’ll serve you. You’re comfortable in the conditional * there *, and well, to your health. But now you are virtually here, nostalgia?
          1. Aingof
            Aingof 9 September 2018 16: 22
            +2
            Well, nothing, the generation of the 90s has grown. Here for them, the motherland is money. And soon the generation of 00s will grow up. A generation of gadgets - without an Internet laces will not tie. For all these generations there is no homeland, and they laugh at patriotism. While the fathers feasted and shared, like vultures, the corpse of the USSR, they completely forgot about the offspring.
        3. Antiliberast
          Antiliberast 8 September 2018 08: 02
          +6
          Quote: Snail N9
          For me now, the Motherland is where I feel comfortable. If you are comfortable in this country, then fight for it, I personally am a pass.

          Do you have a brother in America? (with)
    2. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 21
      -1
      sorry for everyone. lost people.
  7. Antiliberast
    Antiliberast 8 September 2018 07: 11
    +6
    [/ quote] The general asks the question: if a big war happens, then why fight when there is no ideology, no stable worldview positions, or real allies. [quote]
    I asked myself the question, who to fight with? So there is no hope for the generals? Personally, I see here that the second general is already behaving in an inappropriate manner, the first was from aviation and was very rude about the crashed plane and poking his "ksivs" in the face of the correspondent about raids on everything that flies, in my opinion it is not the General must behave! One thing reassures us, we have decent and superior and small officers, so we will fight with them, and for what, we'll figure it out, after. Who has real allies? Well, not those who are trading partners or those who are out of fear and despair.
  8. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 8 September 2018 07: 21
    +2
    From whom from whom, but from the lips of the Colonel General, it’s disgusting to hear such a thing; Joseph Vissarionovich isn’t enough for such people. If you have to fight, everyone has something for something and for someone.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 September 2018 08: 15
      +5
      Quote: yuliatreb
      If you have to fight, everyone has something for something and for someone.

      But the question "why?", Nevertheless, will remain so. It seems that few people watched the video. Ivashov asks himself how to answer the question "for what?" will the newly created political department be responsible? What is Kvachkov sitting for?
  9. Vita vko
    Vita vko 8 September 2018 07: 40
    +2
    Russia is the only country in the world that does not have its own ideology. No idea, no worldview

    First, Russia was fed the imperial-tsarist ideology, then Marxist-Leninist, then liberal-democratic. One can only guess what the next grief reformers need to justify their hypocrisy and incompetence in government.
  10. Boris55
    Boris55 8 September 2018 07: 53
    +5
    Quote: Ivashov
    Russia is the only country in the world that does not have its own ideology.

    Ivashov is wrong we have a variety of ideologies. Each party has its own. It is not difficult to guess which one ideology or which one will be appointed as a state, ultimately means the ban on all other parties except one appointed as a state - as soon as something becomes a state, all mechanisms are immediately turned on state authorities to protect this.

    Why fight? - for Russia! Over a thousand years, not only many rulers have changed, but not one social system has changed, and Russia, as it was, is, it will be so. It is up to the military to defend the country from external enemies. The case of civilians determine the domestic policy of the country.

    As for the "king".

    Pension reform has brightly highlighted the land issue - who will bury whom first. That time the Trotskyists managed to bury Stalin. I hope that this time he and Putin break off ...

    Everyone knew Putin's position on this issue. On June 7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eFZKM4ONQE) he also expressed his opinion, in particular, that if you fulfill the "May Decrees" and begin to massively introduce robotization into production, then the retirement period will not only be necessary increase, and vice versa - reduce. However, Medvedev and the company began to follow the instructions of the IMF on a thoughtless (not a single expert opinion on justifying this, no one has ever seen) raising the retirement age (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HwKFcTTpI).

    Putin in St. Petersburg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=eZeQzoYxs0w), speaking about the fact that the issue of pensions is not closed, hoped for the support of at least anyone ... Neither who, nor vertically, governors and other authorities, neither horizontally nor a single party, not a single trade union supported Putin. None of them brought the people out, blocked the highways, as it was during the monetization of benefits for pensioners (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUGxzWysVvo). All the reviews from the field were only positive ...

    Formed elite in the 90's in full force openly opposed Putin on the side of the West.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 24
      +1
      are you out of your mind we do not have a single party that is not coordinated with the authorities. Even the gorlopan Zhirinovsky, a creature of the KGB of the Soviet Union. If you want to challenge, please contact, I will give you half a library.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 8 September 2018 15: 18
        0
        Quote: Forestol
        we do not have a single party not coordinated with the authorities

        Then there are no problems at all with the "absence" of a single ideology. laughing

        I am aware that all other parties that do not fit into the framework of a single Biblical concept will never be registered - they will be strangled in the bud.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 9 September 2018 07: 17
      -1
      But Putin has not formed the power vertical all these years?
  11. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 8 September 2018 07: 56
    +4
    Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

    For Russia!
  12. Nikolay R
    Nikolay R 8 September 2018 08: 07
    +5
    I personally do not need ideology. I’m not going to die for someone’s idea. But if the enemy decides to attack, then I can justify myself enough for what I should go to war.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 26
      0
      That’s the calculation of the whole world for that, any idea of ​​enemies will be put into you, and you will sit on the couch. Like in the 90s. Perestroika, yeah, it's from there.
      1. Nikolay R
        Nikolay R 8 September 2018 20: 13
        0
        For me, what is communist is that liberal ideologies are equally hostile. They imposed some kind of crap, but ours are underway. Apparently there is no mind.
        In general, I think that in reality it doesn’t matter what kind of system and what’s the name of the one who is at the head of the state (the king, president, chancellor or someone else). It all depends on the personal qualities of power and, above all, the moral qualities.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 9 September 2018 07: 19
      -1
      It’s not necessary to lie! He will not die for the idea! Why are we dying for the idea of ​​personal enrichment?
      1. Nikolay R
        Nikolay R 9 September 2018 12: 20
        0
        How long have you been from a psychiatrist?
  13. UMA-UMA
    UMA-UMA 8 September 2018 08: 08
    +2
    While in the kitchen, I accidentally heard "time will tell", a regular from the "bad", who is a Pole spoke. It was about the Russian economy. He said that in Europe most of every euro earned is spent on the development of the country and the economy, and in russia it is spent on holidays, but you blame the weak economy on the US sanctions (the leading programs immediately fussily announced that they were leaving for advertising.) But he’s right! And actually, here it is, the ideology of the modern rf - only an eternal holiday and eternal laughter.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 28
      -1
      it’s just that our enemies bought you disinformation. For them, the best time in Russia is the 90s., Dusting their heads with ashes and Russians.
  14. Cottager452
    Cottager452 8 September 2018 08: 26
    -2
    In WWII, some irresponsible citizens also suffered from the question: to fight, not to fight.
    Comrade Stalin interrupted their thoughts by Order 227. He so well formulated that they drowned before Berlin.
    And the fines from the convicts were heavily loaded with ideology when the true Aryans were allowed under the knife?
    Fucking you General Ivashov if
    so I didn’t understand anything.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 8 September 2018 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      And the fines from the convicts were heavily loaded with ideology when the true Aryans were allowed under the knife?

      Well, why is this liberal nonsense to produce that?
      1. Clumsy
        Clumsy 8 September 2018 17: 09
        0
        About ,, bitch wars ,, heard, convicts fought, not like in the movies and not in fines, but many fought.
        1. Examenatornick
          Examenatornick 9 September 2018 12: 41
          0
          Shalamov described the bitch wars in a book condemning the romanticization and propaganda of prison life in society.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 September 2018 12: 55
      +1
      Quote: Summer Resident452
      Fucking you General Ivashov if
      so I didn’t understand anything.

      Have you watched the video?
  15. vladcub
    vladcub 8 September 2018 08: 34
    +4
    Ivashov is right in that: Russia has no ideology. The socialist ideology with which we grew up has sunk into oblivion. Why did another conversation happen. But a new ideology capable of replacing the socialist one (there was a lot of positive in it) WAS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE.
    Regarding geostrategic allies, it is controversial: the Soviet Union also did not have geostrategic allies, there were countries of the so-called "socialist community", about the same as now, but our current economy is many times inferior to the Soviet one. But the US also has no geostrategic allies. As the saying goes: "their own shirt is closer, that is, Germany's own interests are more dear to them than their interests are dead. As for the fact that China is superior to America, it is controversial: here on the right is the link:" Why China has already lost the war with the United States. "
    They are probably equal
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 8 September 2018 11: 41
      +1
      Someone doubts that there is a worthy alternative to socialism, or how can one explain it? Does Oponet have something to say in defense of the USA or can it name the geostrategic allies of the USSR?
      1. Forestol
        Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 32
        -1
        Apparently, there is an alternative if the party elite and the KGB so easily ruined the camp and divided power among themselves. In general, there is an opinion that a healthy society is where the elite are constantly being cut out. Because the elite begins to put their interests above the state.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 8 September 2018 15: 23
          0
          Quote: Forestol
          if the party elite and the KGB so easily ruined the country and divided power among themselves.

          It took them 40 years to do this.
  16. Stils
    Stils 8 September 2018 09: 00
    +2
    By the time they start to come up with what ... And they won’t really ask if you want to fight for it or not, they’ll chase everything. Although you yourself might want to go, it depends on many factors.
  17. Forestol
    Forestol 8 September 2018 09: 00
    +1
    The author of the article needed to call the article “phantom pains”. Ivashov’s claims as a person brought up in the USSR are based on the foundation of the fundamental principle of the state of OVER man. And at the heart of the state lay communist ideology. Today, the Office of Russia, which runs Russia, took as its basis the philosophy of supposedly liberalism, the freedom of human desire. Plus, idiotic fragments of Stolypin’s pre-revolutionary idea “For Faith and Fatherland”. How did it end, since 1905 everyone remembers? As one movie hero used to say, “What is the strength, brother?,” so there is no truth today, it had not existed before, but at least there was a Goal. And a state without a Goal is nothing that we ourselves see. All the motions around Russia for only one reason, our rulers chose globalization, thinking that they would personally be given a good place, but they were pointed at the bucket.
  18. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 8 September 2018 09: 11
    +5
    We will fight for the Motherland-Russia, our relatives and friends, and nothing to do with any ideology, and whoever is not with us is against us
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 8 September 2018 11: 03
      +3
      Petty Officer Commander of the SOFA, I express my gratitude to you for the correct vision of the situation
    2. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 36
      0
      Apparently, few people now know the axiom of filling the void with another substance? Ivashov just means that the enemies put their ideology in, even there is an internal ideology of the criminal world, when children are taught thieves concepts and prison romance. And that’s it, the end.
  19. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 8 September 2018 09: 16
    0
    People are fighting for life and life. Fight for the idea of ​​idiocy.
  20. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 8 September 2018 09: 33
    -1
    What kind of flash mob is this? Lieutenant General Sobolev says that we are not able to protect ourselves, now this one declares that we are not going to because there’s nothing at all (approximately as I understand it)? What is going on?
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 37
      -1
      Is it hard to read the truth? This means that all sources of information are captured by enemies for their own purposes. Two managed to say, no matter how they died from a sudden heart attack.
  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 September 2018 09: 38
    +2
    in this situation, Russia today does not have a single geostrategic and political ally
    and when was it otherwise?
    1. avt
      avt 8 September 2018 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      and when was it otherwise?

      what Well, probably when the Soviet Army had already entered Romania and the rest of Finland, they immediately appeared ... the allies fought zealously on our side against the Nazis ..... though for this and BEFORE, they had to be remembered under the same Stalingrad, but this is such a trifle bully The only exception, perhaps, is the Hungarians. And so, as always, as we start to win - from the "allies" who want to enroll in the winners, we must fight back. bully
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 8 September 2018 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: avt
        - immediately appeared ... allies

        these are not allies, these are sticky jackals; after the war, only the GDR can be called a relative ally
  22. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 8 September 2018 10: 09
    0
    Quote: Jurkovs
    Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

    For Russia!

    Is that a toast? ... well then to the bottom ...
  23. megavolt823
    megavolt823 8 September 2018 10: 13
    +2
    Very muddy crap. So to say (nothing). Panic out of the blue. On sites and groups pushing youngsters to suicide. They don’t speak directly - go and jump. They talk for a long time about the meaninglessness of life and cruelty of people. Talk about the wrong rulers, system, a hidden call for disobedience to power. No specifics. Talk about what is good and what is bad. Everyone knows that. - I AM FOR BAB, PARENTS AND FRIEND ????? fifth grade second quarter. Take care of your head.
    1. Forestol
      Forestol 8 September 2018 14: 39
      0
      it's too late to save you. It is necessary to explain the basis, philosophy ... And you have already invested in ideology, beer, a sofa, a TV set, business, credit ... all!
  24. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 8 September 2018 10: 14
    +4
    Why fight?


    Weird question. When you, under the threat of execution, "according to the laws of wartime", are driven (forced to appear) to the recruiting station, there will be no time for questions and "ideology" .... Something like that. sad
  25. vladcub
    vladcub 8 September 2018 10: 36
    +1
    Here on the site there is a link to Maslov, where he claims that NATO is eternal, our Armed Forces are "laughed at" and nonsense, and now he is burying NATO. How to understand all this?
  26. Vsevolod
    Vsevolod 8 September 2018 12: 01
    +1
    With tales of reptilians, he marginalized himself. And his friends Sulakshin and Reshetnikov - the bottom.
  27. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 8 September 2018 12: 18
    0
    If there is a military invasion, then there will be something to die for. If the enemy invades, then not all is bought and not all is lost. So the words Homeland will become relevant again
  28. TAMBU
    TAMBU 8 September 2018 12: 39
    0
    Bourgeois ideology is surplus value. This ideology is based on the modern Russian Federation. Power long ago and confidently passed into the year 93 in the hands of those who wanted it and could get it ... the rest is lyrics ...
  29. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 8 September 2018 15: 16
    +2
    A strange article. Even a person who did not take the military oath before his parents and successfully slanted from the RA, would find something to fight for, not for the country, but for his homeland ....
    It's amazing to listen to it from some members of the forum who want to believe have (whether) something to do with the RA / MIC, etc.
  30. Dimmedroll
    Dimmedroll 8 September 2018 17: 35
    +1
    Well, why immediately for money, oligarchs and other unattractive personalities. And your mothers, sisters. Which will, if anything, be raped, tortured, and so on. Like you on the drum? Younger brothers, Grandfathers, Grandmothers too. Like so that only my beloved would not be touched, and God forbid, not killed? Let me remind you that people in the world don’t really like us, and when the time comes they will not have much to escape. Therefore, if you do not want to fight for your homeland, then at least you need to remember your relatives, loved ones, friends and other people whom you know. And so God will judge you.
  31. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 8 September 2018 20: 37
    0
    Eka opening! This was understood long ago by the notorious Budanov, who at the trial said about the Chechen field commander nicknamed Tractor Driver: "He fought for the Motherland. And what am I for?"
    We really have no official military allies. But there are unofficial ones (China, Iran, Venezuela; it would be nice to involve the DPRK as well). And in this there are not only minuses (lack of obligations), but also pluses (fewer disappointments when they fluctuate).
  32. turbris
    turbris 8 September 2018 20: 45
    -1
    Nonsense is all, too much importance is attached to ideology. What in the Second World War fought mainly for socialism and Stalin? They fought for their home and their family, their children and relatives, they were primarily protected. And in the event of a new aggression, the oligarchs will also do the same, protect themselves and their family in the first place, and therefore Russia as a whole. Ask the oligarchs, they living abroad, they still know very well what their homeland is, it’s a pity that some living in Russia cannot understand what it is.
  33. Kollega
    Kollega 9 September 2018 06: 17
    0
    Wow comments posted!
    For what or against what are you fighting?
    So in modern warfare - everyone will fight for their TRUTH.
  34. Yak28
    Yak28 9 September 2018 07: 06
    0
    Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

    For money, of course, and there’s nothing more to fight for, under capitalism there is no other motivation.
  35. seacap
    seacap 9 September 2018 11: 09
    0
    In my philistine understanding, the state of affairs in a society with a moral and patriotic state and cohesion is incomparably worse than before the First MV. Then the traditional Orthodox and family values ​​were very strong, faith in the Tsar and the Fatherland was considered sacred in all strata of society, and most importantly, the elites were nationally patriotic and devoted to the country and people, true to the oath and to their word. Now people are in power, they broke and betrayed their oaths and oaths, betrayed their ideals, killed the state, without a fight surrendered to the enemy all the thousand-year achievements of our people for plunder, scattered the lands of the empire, abundantly watered with blood by our ancestors in battles to defend them. All these people (the language does not dare to call them the elite) continue to sleep softly and eat sweetly, cynically spitting and arguing about the good of the people and the country, continuing to rob and destroy the people. They, under the vigilant gaze of the State Department in the person of the family contract of the Central Bank and the Higher School of Economics, destroying education and science, are churning out "advanced consumers" from our children, providing educational services with the help of Sorov's textbooks, whose graduates do not know their native language, they can hardly explain themselves in it. unable to clearly express the text and thoughts, graduates who do not know the great history of their people and state, and these are the defenders of their country and people. A state built on lies and crime, where everything rests on lies and treason, and everyone lies to us, the government, robbing, humiliating the people, manufacturers, traders, bankers, where the main criterion for assessing human qualities and achievements is loot, where the main goal of human existence is cultivated - loot, and, no matter in what way it is obtained, what baseness and meanness, where hatred, meanness, cynicism and humiliation are cultivated and encouraged in society, where already inherited estates have been created, which are divided by the abyss and different values ​​and interests, estates living on fundamentally different laws, some are omnipotent and not subject to jurisdiction, others are disenfranchised and humiliated, have no future and cannot withstand any armed confrontation, even with a deliberately weak enemy.
    1. Nikolay R
      Nikolay R 9 September 2018 14: 56
      0
      My work colleague periodically takes out several tens of kilograms of titanium from the factory and naturally passes it to the metal collection point.
      At the same time, he constantly curses BV Putin and says that he is guilty of the total theft of officials. I objected to this somehow, saying that you yourself take out titanium from the factory and Putin is also to blame? He thought for a moment, but Putin did not stop cursing and the metal both endured and endures.
  36. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 9 September 2018 12: 34
    0
    For the home, for the children for the wives, for the country. Unfortunately, the elites are waging war and the peoples are fighting. And the Rotenbergs, they still die no matter how much they stole. And the motherland is one for all. The last stronghold of the Slavic world is Russia. Belarus. The rest are broken, we’ve been sold, sold out or gone mad. We don’t want war. But if we are destined to die, we will take this whole world with us. We won’t need this world without Russia.
  37. Ronino
    Ronino 9 September 2018 14: 52
    0
    sooner or later everything will run into ideology ...
  38. konstantin68
    konstantin68 9 September 2018 15: 53
    -1
    The first part of the article title is correct! There are no allies, we are also looking for ideology. Well, let’s go to fight for the fatherland, no matter how there is!
    1. starshina78
      starshina78 9 September 2018 21: 19
      0
      For which Fatherland? A country of complete lawlessness in relation to the people? Let the authorities take up arms themselves and protect themselves. I myself will not go and I will not let my son go. They robbed me, closed my factory, destroyed the enterprise to please Western competitors, they ruin the village. Only the loved ones are not forgotten about themselves. Platon's owner, Rothenberg Jr., already owns $ 800 million. dollars, ripping off the last skin from the carrier. No ! There is no home! There is a stepmother!
  39. starshina78
    starshina78 9 September 2018 21: 15
    +2
    I completely agree with Ivashov! Go into battle for the billions of Rotenbergs, Millers, Sechin, Pu and Me? Excuse me ! I don't care if their billions go to the Rockefellers or the Morgan. Anyway, in Russia, everything that can already be destroyed without war - industry, even as a result of the last war, was not as destroyed as it is now. Russia has become the oil and gas appendage of the West and China. Let Sechin receive five lemons a day and gain an army to protect his money, yachts and planes. Or Miller. no difference . The enemy will not take away my apartment of sixty years ago and a cottage of seven hundred parts, and the rest is never the same. I did not swear this authority. I swore allegiance to the USSR and defended it as I could in the 90s. What to do if the people went blind and deaf then did not understand what they were doing. And it was necessary to crush all this dirt in the bud.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 September 2018 01: 26
      0
      Yes, and no one will call you - the army needs professionals, not mummies. And judging by the above, you and your homeland do not have one.
  40. ludrosia
    ludrosia 9 September 2018 22: 07
    0
    Russia has neither ideology nor allies. What to fight for?

    But in fact, now, for what and whom to fight the army for those oppressors and enslavers, that people oppress and enslave, raise the retirement age of the people ???? - No, they don’t see the point in this either.
    The war will not be like our grandfathers fought in the Great Patriotic War, when the rulers and the people were united and inseparable. And now, the powers that be, were separated from the people and they shit at the people from the big bell tower. This is evident even in raising the pension age-anti-popular law. The war will be-as in American films, each for itself.
    Therefore, those who are given power, think only to themselves. They do not dispose of power from God according to their intended purpose, they have been given power and all the powers to protect the country and people and to rule well the country and people. And they laid on the people and country. and that’s it.
    They raise the retirement age ??? - Well, let them fight for themselves. They are separated from the people and do it against the people and not for the people.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 September 2018 01: 37
      0
      We have whiners about raising the retirement age divorced like rats in a city dump - what you whine, save now, start your own business and work for yourself - look for interests in life, retirement is not the meaning of life.
      1. xoma58
        xoma58 27 September 2018 22: 03
        0
        You seem to have found interest, the Kremlin Troll, there are no brains, you write garbage that you were ordered to write.
  41. slavaseven
    slavaseven 10 September 2018 08: 10
    +2
    Oh, guys. Well you are romance.
    Who will let you think "for what, but for whom?" The Arctic fox will come - they will come, hand over a summons to the military registration and enlistment office. And where do you go, with loans, mortgages, family, etc. You will not be persuaded, they will beg you - they will order you! And you go into battle, so that you do not die yourself and protect YOURSELF in the first place. And then, as if on a knurled one, I fight for the men that are nearby. Revenge for those unlucky.
    So do not worry about the idea. Nobody will allow you high aspirations.
    1. xoma58
      xoma58 27 September 2018 22: 01
      0
      If you are, then yes. And if a man, then how to look.
  42. Enky
    Enky 10 September 2018 15: 47
    0
    Quote: Mr Credo
    And what did the Motherland give you to fight for it, let alone die? Today is capitalism. Nobody will die for the idea, for money either. So why fight? And against whom? Against those who gave you the Internet and a computer? Against those whose cars do you drive and where do you go to relax? This is who you need to be to give up all this? And if you have a second citizenship? Fight against second citizenship? And if you have children attached there? Fight against your children?

    People, you minus the one who tells the truth and no matter how evil it is, it will not cease to be true from this. Here, that there are those who are naive, who believe that officials, who keep their money behind the hill, will stand up for the Motherland? Maybe their golden children, who "have nothing more to want", will leave Oxfords, Harvards, resorts and sit in the trenches? Isn't it time to throw the false patriotic propaganda out of our eyes and see who controls us ?!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 10 September 2018 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: Enky
      People, you minus the one who tells the truth and no matter how evil it is, it will not cease to be true from this. Here, that there are those who are naive, who believe that officials, who keep their money behind the hill, will stand up for the Motherland? Maybe their golden children, who "have nothing more to want", will leave Oxfords, Harvards, resorts and sit in the trenches? Isn't it time to throw the false patriotic propaganda out of our eyes and see who controls us ?!

      Yes, he is right. Only not ours (who took the oath of the USSR / RF) is this truth ... and we will never accept this truth ...
      When I get to hell, I’ll ask that the place of my second life be the RF ...
  43. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 11
    +3
    Quote: Vadim237
    We have whiners about raising the retirement age divorced like rats in a city dump - what you whine, save now, start your own business and work for yourself - look for interests in life, retirement is not the meaning of life.

    Because the people do not want to scour after 60 years. Go and search as a loader after 60 years. Not everyone can open their own business.
    And if you think that such heavy professions as a loader, on a logging site, on a collective farm, are light and not heavy, then take them yourself and do them for yourself after 60 years and after 55.
    The people, not the whiners, but understand very well that by this age people become old, decrepit, weak, weak, sick. They need to rest on retirement, and not to suck on you. And this is understood by all people of any age and gender. Both women and men, retirees who are already retired, because they have children and grandchildren. And they don’t want to slander and die at work, they don’t want their children and grandchildren. Also able-bodied healthy guys understand that they will be old, decrepit, weak, sick at that age. And they don’t want to die at work. Children also understand that by this age they will be old, decrepit, weak, sick. And they don’t want to die at work.
  44. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 16
    0
    Quote: slavaseven
    Oh, guys. Well you are romance.
    Who will let you think "for what, but for whom?" The Arctic fox will come - they will come, hand over a summons to the military registration and enlistment office. And where do you go, with loans, mortgages, family, etc. You will not be persuaded, they will beg you - they will order you! And you go into battle, so that you do not die yourself and protect YOURSELF in the first place. And then, as if on a knurled one, I fight for the men that are nearby. Revenge for those unlucky.
    So do not worry about the idea. Nobody will allow you high aspirations.

    The people will not go to fight for such ghouls. The people will kill them.
  45. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 20
    0
    Quote: Mr Credo
    Fight for the family !? Tomorrow your wife will send you, the children will forget. Fight for friends !? Did they help you a lot? Drink vodka, so friends! Borrow a million, go you! Fight for your home !? What is he like if you live in a rented apartment or in a mortgage !? The country wants to develop quietly !? Where are the development projects? Where are the sources of funding and the amount of funding !? Who is responsible for this and what is the punishment for failure to fulfill !? Progress? And what is the progress !? In increasing the working time !? Is this progress? Why is working time not decreasing but increasing !? Why is the retirement age growing !? The witcher! Enough of the slogans. Are there any real offers?

    Fight yes for a family. For children. Children and family are the last ones you can rely on now. And for yourself, so as not to die. Along the way, killing those who raise their retirement age.
  46. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 23
    0
    Quote: Mr Credo
    The fact that the actions of the rower are subject to a certain logic is understandable. That's just he rowing towards the West. Integration! The Indians were also integrated in due time. And where are these Indians now? Does Russia differ from Indians or Ukrainians? Yes, nothing! Like the Indians, we are moving towards the reservation. And our leader leads us there!

    What a reservation! They act, as they wish. Crimea and Syria, they are not the decree of the United States. Well, the United States tells them to give Crimea and Syria, they don’t give. They write laws for themselves and for themselves. And they put it on the people and on your west from a large bell tower.
    I support Crimea and Syria. But for raising the retirement age, I would kill it.
  47. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 29
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    Quote: Forestol
    There is an axiom, there is not a single religion in the world that would unite the people. Ivashov tells you plainly that patriotism alone is not enough, and religion will divide everyone. Communism involves tight control, and our leaders from the former KGB do not want to regain control over themselves. An elite from whom it is incomprehensible that forms a fool with low-lying interests of philistinism. Private business, where more and more people work, generally a cesspool in ideology, is forced to teach Scientology, or they will rush to Orthodoxy, or something else. And the basis of all this outrage is the ownership of all the media by the FIVE families of the world elite. Here they then invest in us their ideology.

    Your communism-prosral USSR.
    The USSR was pissed off precisely when your communists were in power.
    But anyway, I support Zyuganov, who is against raising the retirement age.
    And the Soviet Communists-prosrali fact.
  48. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 33
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    Quote: Mr Credo
    What is the homeland in the bathhouse if we integrate into the WORLD ECONOMY !? We are developing Russia and competing with the West, I agree. But we do not compete and are not going to compete! Is it clear now? And Putin is also talking about integration! But the truth is when he is told about the implementation of decisions of the integrated economy, he talks about sanctions and a biased attitude towards Russia! And you will not go to war? What to fight against? Do you want to abandon the computer? From flying on a Boeing and traveling on a Ford? Refuse plastic cards and hypermarkets? Think about it yourself! You didn’t like the USSR, now you want to fight against what wasn’t in the USSR! Guys! You probably dress or underpants or a cross! You have such a salad in your head!

    Vinaigrette is in your head.
    We will fight against oppressors and enslavers that oppress us. And no matter where they come from, who they will be and what they will ride on.
    And we are not against good cars, computers and hypermarkets. We are against oppressors, invaders and oppressors. It does not matter who they are or where they come from.
    A cross can be worn and underpants can be worn. This is your salad in your head.
    1. ludrosia
      ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 59
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      A cross for cowards is not a hindrance, or a pair of underpants for a cross.
  49. ludrosia
    ludrosia 10 September 2018 21: 39
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    Quote: Mr Credo
    Oh well! Laughing out loud! Right now they abandoned the enemy iPhone and the Internet !? Well, a joker! # Ohh, this must be a rare reptile, so that to raise an weapon on the enemy who has stepped onto your land, because he gave you a computer and a machine, yeah. # How much do we resist this? Russia lives and are not happy with everything? Well, then, you have to suffer on a foreign car and you rarely see children, because of this anger and misunderstanding. I understand you! # We have few such people who are dissatisfied with life in Russia and sending their children over a hill ??? # tell us what you’re fighting for, maybe I’ll understand then! # So tell me what you’re fighting for! In the USSR, everything was just disgusting !? Today everything is just wonderful! What will we fight for and against what ???

    What are you, how small? What will we fight for? For your life, liberty, and the life and liberty of loved ones, your beloved relatives. Against whom and what? - Against the enslavers, oppressors, invaders, occupiers, it does not matter who they come from and where they will come from. We will destroy everyone, including those who raise their retirement age. It doesn’t matter who they are or where they come from. Against any enemy.
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