Drilled and quit? Who in RSC Energia is being tested for involvement in sabotage

The internal commission of RSC Energia continues to investigate a strange incident violating the integrity of the plating of the Soyuz spacecraft. We are talking about the hole that appeared on the casing as a result of drilling, which ultimately caused the depressurization of the ship and the ISS, to which it was docked. As a result, the astronauts had to patch the hole with a special glue.

Earlier, RSC Energia concluded that a hole in the lining of a spacecraft appeared before it was delivered to the cosmodrome. In this regard, there is a thorough check of employees who have in one way or another access to the "Union MC-09". It is reported that at this stage, a check is made of the lists of employees who quit during the final period of the ship’s assembly and dispatch to the Baikonur launch site.

One of the versions is being worked out, according to which one of the employees decided to take revenge on RSC Energia just before the dismissal. In other words, a version is being studied related to psychological factors that could eventually lead to major technical problems and tragedy.

At the moment, it is not reported how many employees of the corporation quit at the final stage of the creation of the Soyuz and its delivery to the cosmodrome.

Comments

[Stas157]

. One of the versions is being worked out, according to which one of the employees decided to take revenge on RSC Energia immediately before dismissal

Is it not better to simply answer the question of how they got to the situation where an error or a deliberate action of just one ordinary worker can lead to an accident. Why does the verification system not work? In Soviet times, three of them tightened each nut. One turned, the other looked, the third checked.
You can’t rely on one person! The team is large, someone may not be entirely adequate, someone will want revenge ... but you never know what!
In this situation, the leadership is to blame, which built the work in this way. It made the whole system dependent on the actions of one ordinary employee. And this is far from the first case!

[Mr Credo]

Optimization sir! Which three? Does one nut tighten? No problem! Well, why pay two more? Is it logical?

[Thrall]

You can search for a single pest for a long time. But one question arises, why so far no one has resigned at Roscosmos? After all, twice Doctor of Science, it may be time to directly engage in scientific activity calmly, without being distracted by government projects.

[Sergey985]

They will not find, they will appoint a switchman! Start digging deep, your heads will fly high. The soil is being prepared, and therefore they started talking about those who left.

[For example]

Yes, Rogozin drilled a hole. Well, or hired a locksmith for a bottle, Rogozin himself will not be able to drill a hole. Lack of luck in everything. Is Thrall right?
He urgently needs to be fired from everywhere. Because of him, Thrall and so many here can’t even eat.
Is Thrall right?
And life will get better, especially in Belarus.
Is Thrall right?

Thrall, and you yourself will execute death sentences? Hand does not flinch?
Or just hang out slogans in the form of photos? Can you glue "enemies" on the door?

And Putin is also an enemy for you? After all, it is he who appoints Rogozin. After all, the launch of the Dagger and the rest of the first of March surprises was carried out under the direct leadership of Rogozin.
Now Putin has determined him to lead the Russian Space Agency. Trusts.
Putin also sent a picture?

[victor50]

And you are a newly-made haponchik what you are striving for. Or just bend so that the owners notice ?! Maybe you suggested something, in addition to barking at the person and showing loyalty to the owner?

[For example]

Okts. You watch your broom.
The thing is that specially trained people understand the situation.
And you only learned to lick at strangers.
Saliva comes from hatred. Belarusians, you became independent. Why bother your noses to a foreign country? You show your leader pictures with calls for the estimated treasury. Ali piss yourself off?

And mongrels barking to the moon have always been. So Victor50 keep raping on the moon. Protector

[Stas157]

Quote: For example

Yes, Rogozin drilled a hole. Well, or hired a locksmith for a bottle ... Is Thrall right?

Yes, what does Rogozin have to do with it, he became the CEO of Roscosmos recently, on May 24, 2018. The whole system of relations and a tangle of problems developed before him, and he took them by inheritance. The results of the activities of Rogozin, as the direct head of the corporation, must be watched at least a year later.

[forty-eighth]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: For example

Yes, Rogozin drilled a hole. Well, or hired a locksmith for a bottle ... Is Thrall right?

Yes, what does Rogozin have to do with it, he became the CEO of Roscosmos recently, on May 24, 2018. The whole system of relations and a tangle of problems developed before him, and he took them by inheritance. The results of the activities of Rogozin, as the direct head of the corporation, must be watched at least a year later.

Did they take him to work from the street? Prior to his appointment to Roscosmos, Rogozin personally oversaw him as Deputy Prime Minister. So it’s quite with it.

[For example]

Quote: forty-eighth

Yes, what does Rogozin have to do with it,

Stas, some Belarusians bark at Rogozin for any reason. In my comment I write about this.

Rogozin is working. And apparently, he is doing the job. It’s not for nothing that Putin puts him in responsible places.

[Igor V]

Forty-eighth, you would become familiar with what Rogozin was in charge of, then you would write.

[atakan]

I will tell a real case. In the galleries, different cables go to the launcher in Uglegorsk.
So, the power reserve was lying in the dust and in the dark and didn’t bother anyone, as long as they began to fix the connected one next six months later. It turned out that for about ten meters there is no power cable and just insulation lies in the cable channel.

[Sergey985]

Yes, it looks like all three "optimized". Before painting, the painter was roughly poked with his finger where to drill, so he swung. I wouldn't be surprised if they say so.

[Victor_B]

But the accident didn’t happen!
Definitely not a diversion.

[Azim77]

That is the same question - could it be that this is not sabotage, not weak personnel, etc., but, on the contrary, did the employee do what he thought was right? Those. 3 kept the glue for a month, he didn’t bring this glue from home, is it possible that it is used for such cases? Yes, this does not negate the question of professionalism, but how should the hole really be closed? Purely from the technological side.

[dauria]

but how should the hole really be closed? Purely from the technological side.

To begin with, I had to report that I had gone wrong. And only then competent people had to decide. Rivet the rivet in the hole, patch, or discard the entire body and make a new one. And change the technology of the operation so that it does not happen again. But he was afraid, it is clear that the matter was delivered at the enterprise. Eat for mistakes, and pay pennies. Here is the result.

[bolt]

Quote: dauria

but how should the hole really be closed? Purely from the technological side.

To begin with, I had to report that I had gone wrong. And only then competent people had to decide. Rivet the rivet in the hole, patch, or discard the entire body and make a new one. And change the technology of the operation so that it does not happen again. But he was afraid, it is clear that the matter was delivered at the enterprise. Eat for mistakes, and pay pennies. Here is the result.

So maybe it was. Maybe he reported and made a decision. And the glue is right. Maybe this glue was created for this and has been used more than once in similar situations. For sealing.

Just this time a particular employee violated the technology or the hole was too large and a different technology was required. And the workers did not know this. They just have never encountered this before. And those who knew were long retired. Or, in general, they died.

For information especially troubled. In the country during the 90s and early 2000s, more than 20 technologies were lost. Yes Yes. Precisely because the carriers of these technologies somehow left, and the enterprises were defeated.

And now, in order to launch this or production, many processes must be developed from scratch.
But there are no specialists. There is no one and nowhere to just cook them.

So sometimes you have to work "according to logic" and memories.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Stas157

how they got to the situation where an error or deliberate action of just one ordinary worker can lead to an accident.

well this is normal, the question is why this happens regularly

[Mestny]

What happens regularly? Holes drilled anywhere in spacecraft?
So far, they regularly only fly into orbit, deliver people to the ISS.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mestny

What happens regularly?

assembly jambs, this is not the first case

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

minusonuli? !! that the jambs have decreased?
better see how many accidents in the last five years

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stas157

One turned, the other looked, the third checked.

As I understand it, the hole was drilled in the place where the casing was, and this is not really checked by anyone. A sheet of metal and a sheet of metal, that’s all the detachable connections, yes, they will look very carefully here.

[gsev]

We live when we need to count money and working hours. If the nut is tightened in three, the manufactured machine will cost 3 times more and it will be much cheaper to buy an apparatus from Europe or the USA on the ISS. Moreover, it is a complex production. You will have to train 3 people instead of one. You can find one smart person near the plant, and 3-6 people, taking into account the dropout rate during training, may even be impossible. At NPO Lavochkin, before making a complex knot, sometimes workers sculpted it out of plasticine and discussed the manufacturing procedure. The order of basing the part during its processing was determined by the worker himself. How to check it if no one knows by what method the basing was performed? At the best of times, during the implementation of the Venus-Comet Galea project, in the technical cards for production, one could read "Drill a 4-sided hole 6x6mm with a 4-sided drill 6x6mm" or "check the chain conductivity with a Dryglometer". It meant that the hole was stamped, and the dial tester was equipped with a vibrator and was nicknamed the workers jerk.

[Mr Credo]

The question is, why did you quit? Most likely the salary did not work. How much do space industry workers get paid? Well, not the industry average, but hard workers. Why are we embarrassed to voice the average salary of a worker, boss, or official? What is the average income of an individual entrepreneur, an oligarch? Is it a state secret?

[Cook]

I won’t say about the workers, I don’t know. The son works in one of the divisions of Roscosmos, engineer of the testing laboratory, z.p. 67 tyr. on hands. Experience 3 years, starting with 50.

[Observer2014]

Cook (Konstantin)

The son works in one of the divisions of Roscosmos, engineer of the testing laboratory, z.p. 67 tyr. on hands. Experience 3 years, starting with 50.

I have nothing against neither you, nor even your son. Just stating.

67 tyr

it’s less than the salary of a teacher. Nannies according to ours, in a German kindergarten, What can we say about the workers. You know how to determine who built the house for example. Well, there were decent contractors or crooks. Just two. The bastards have flooded concrete. What pipes are foamed, etc. . In my practice, they searched for a month in one house and couldn’t understand why the canal didn’t work. So far in the hearts one of the workers didn’t hit a pipe with a hammer in one of the yard wells. The log painted under the pipe turned out to be an insert. They threw the brigade. They took revenge. In general, all this rubbish around the self-employed, low-income migrant workers and so on is not profitable for anyone in Russia except those especially close to the emperor. Everyone will suffer. And the latter earn billions in this troubled water.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Observer2014

it’s less than the salary of a teacher. Nannies in our German kindergarten

Quote: Observer2014

it’s less than the salary of a teacher. Nannies in our German kindergarten

Well, don’t just compare salaries in different countries, to put it mildly, this is not an indicator, even a simple comparison of the salary in Moscow and the regions does not mean anything

[bolt]

Until in the hearts of one of the workers a pipe was struck with a hammer in one of the yard wells. The log painted under the pipe turned out to be an insert. laughing

I heard this "tale" about a log even before "Perestroika" and "Glasnost".

[Mussasi]

Well, if there is such a staff turnover that they can’t even say right away how many employees quit, then it’s a complete disaster.

[bessmertniy]

And if you drilled, and did not quit? Is such a hypothesis valid? Then new holes are possible. And perhaps more fatal. But this must not be allowed!

[rotmistr60]

exploring a version related to psychological factors

And if not out of resentment against someone or something, but out of malice in order to harm the country? Surprising the selection of personnel for a sensitive enterprise. Understand, see what conclusions are made.

[dauria]

And if not out of resentment against someone or something, but out of malice in order to harm the country?

It started, enemies of the people. Did he screw the shelf in the toilet, asked the mother-in-law? There is a flow chart of the operation, where everything is painted from the instrument, materials to the pose of the performer. If you need control, then the posture of the controller. Lohanul, frightened, did not report. This is the reason. This means that it was already similar at the enterprise. And instead of a sensible analysis with a change in technology and control, they were punished "from the heart" without thinking. And a hard worker, not the whole chain to the top. It was called "culture of production". And now there is POPA in production.

[PalBor]

Indeed, a very strange case. All sorts of stupid theories in the head are born. For example, wrecking by the Cossack sent by Mask.
Or the Russians are very close to solving the main question of life, the universe and all that, and evil "little green men" are trying to interfere ...

[Simargl]

Quote: PalBor

Or the Russians came close to unraveling the main issue of life, the universe and all that

On technology 50 years ago (I'm talking about a ball)?

[gsev]

The production culture just fell. Moreover, the lack of a production culture has always been felt. In KB S. Korolev did not bother when designing launches to the moon to calculate the thermal regime of the spacecraft. As a result, all launches were wasted. A moon with a burnt filling reached the moon. When the project was handed over to Babakin, a group of engineers at his enterprise calculated exactly when the last Korolev rocket would burn, which he nevertheless launched onto the moon without transferring it to the Lavochkin NGO. When creating anti-aircraft missiles for a long time they could not master the test of the tightness of the seams of fuel tanks by blowing helium. Engineers and scientists were afraid and could not prove military acceptance that the tanks were welded soundly. Military representatives either were afraid to master the technique or could not. The problem was solved by the laboratory assistant, who left the Institute of Physical Problems, who spied on how to work with helium at the old place of work. 2 of these events reached the peak of the development of rocket technology in the USSR. Under the Queen of the USSR, he was a leader in space exploration, after mastering the helium-testing methodology, the United States went to an ABM limitation agreement. The search for pests by people who do not have scientific and technical qualifications at the level of Sakharov, Keldysh, Babakin, Korolev, Ioffe will lead to degradation of the industry. Example: genetics (agriculture) and cybernetics (computer manufacturing) are very sad. And in cybernetics they just scared everyone

[Victor_B]

Professionals need to pay normal money.
And on time.
Then guest workers will not work "by ad".

[milling machine]

Yes, the storekeeper is to blame, who was on sick leave, because of her the worker could not get a measuring device to measure where to drill. As a result, whether measures in the old fashioned way "by eye" + - bast shoe. In our country, this is exactly how Roscosmos' failures are explained.

[Altona]

But are there no leak checks there? Slipped up and sent into space? Hmm ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Altona

But are there no leak checks there?

Surely there is. The glue in the hole at first held pressure, and then in space there was a depressurization. Obviously, you need to check not only the pressure, but also visually the integrity and integrity of the structure.

[please]

The circus is gaining momentum.
Started: build error.
Beyond that: An error on the ground during assembly. A worker is found; an investigation is underway.
At the same time: the State Duma cosmonaut - the actions of an inadequate cosmonaut.
At the moment: they are looking for a resigned employee, gouging the master / head of the Quality Control Department, etc.
And all this time the event has been illustrated by a part of the window profile 0,5 mm thick.

[APASUS]

Capitalism guys in the yard, if someone does not understand. Pay money to professionals and no one will pick too much. I’m sure that the assembly is not experienced young people and their salary is 25-35 thousand and that still need to bend.

[gsev]

It is customary for us to have the worker get so much, the engineer so much. You can’t jump above the roof. But in the supply is possible. Hardware cost at the manufacturer's plant at 7 rubles can grow to 150 rubles coming to the aircraft factory. Or, for example, air glue in Russia is produced at one enterprise, which until 2005 could not directly deliver its products to any major supplier without intermediaries, although this glue was dispensed to private owners by a batch of less than a kilogram. Does it make sense for the best 10% of your life to study as an engineer in such conditions?

[nathanael]

Nothing strange .. I met a few years ago on the train with a peasant .. I went from an Olympic construction site in Sochi .. According to him, I worked on installing ventilation systems .. When it became clear that they threw a salary hard, they threw dohlyat into the system ... Imagine how people live there. Probably here is the same situevina ..

[bessmertniy]

And who is not offended today? Resentment insult, and you can’t drill spaceships in the wrong places! .

[Vard]

In Usolye, they built a house for Putin ... they recruited Tajiks ... they laid a soft tile without a backing and it blew it away ... just in time for the visit ... thank God there was no rain ... otherwise our everything would be wet .. .

[FID]

I am worried about another question ... The Soyuz spacecraft when docked to the ISS ??? Why, when going into space, the astronauts did not die? Okay, they’re in spacesuits, but when docked, what? Again for suckers hold?

[Blackmokona]

The hole was shallow, the astronauts didn’t even wake it, they waited until they woke up themselves and sent to see what and how.

[Skifotavr]

Not the fact that Pinocchio quit.

[Normal ok]

At the moment, it is not reported how many employees of the corporation quit at the final stage of the creation of the Soyuz and its delivery to the cosmodrome.

The answer is all. Why? Because:

any of the employees decided to take revenge on RSC Energia

Satire however.

[LiSiCyn]

Satyric, change the flag ... Your urkaina already forgot what it is to build rockets. ATGMs only, shoot doctors ...
There was no flag, take off the red, do not disgrace ...

[Samara_63]

Did you try to pay normal salaries?

[Old26]

Quote: SSI

I am worried about another question ... The Soyuz spacecraft when docked to the ISS ??? Why, when going into space, the astronauts did not die? Okay, they’re in spacesuits, but when docked, what? Again for suckers hold?

1. The ship was launched on June 6, 2018 at 11.12. Docked to the dawn module on June 8, 2018 at 13.01:XNUMX pm
2. When docked, they were also in spacesuits.

In fact, in principle, the usual contingency caused such a flurry of emotions that now some begin to say that just a little more and everything, the astronauts would have been khan, would have died.
Well, okay, if this "driller" hadn't been there, and the hole would have been made by micromethorite, who would be referred to then? We now love fried facts so much that now the whole country will be looking for this "borer". Simply, "without noise and dust" religion no longer allows an internal investigation. We don't even know with a 100% guarantee what happened after this drilling. Was it reported, took place a "convulse" at which it was decided to seal the place of drilling with glue. Has this part in the complex been tested for tightness and much more? The drilling was not in the descent vehicle, the hole in which could lead to serious consequences inside the AS, but in the utility compartment, which burns out.
Something, but we are often really held for suckers, Sergei, forcing, against our will, to participate in the next "soap series"

[Forestol]

As I do not respect Rogozin, mainly for his father, but the fault is entirely on him. Korolev was to blame for the lunar program that was derailed in the USSR, and today we have another switchman. But ANY techie will say that the test of the ship on Earth under pressure was not carried out！ What kind of nonsense did they learn how to test the heating pipes, but the spaceship is not？ Or was it just the technology?

[rotmistr60]

Victor_B
Professionals need to pay normal money.
And on time. Then guest workers will not work "on ad".

Do you know how much they pay there? And when did migrant workers work at a sensitive enterprise, especially at assembly of space ships?

[aleks.29ru]

I heard stories about nails hammered into ship cables by retiring deceived hard workers.

[Forestol]

Crossed with the leadership of "Diamond", a few years ago. I heard from them that at that time the worker sn was 15000 rubles, and there are still bonuses. Now, probably 25 thousand will be paid in salaries, and the rest in bonuses. What is a bonus, if not an echo of the serfdom？ The leadership did not like it, there is no bonus. This is a hidden system of fines ala Demidov under the Tsar. This is where the quality of work comes from. Opttmize taxes, the rest is how it goes. Plus tender rules, where not the best, but the cheapest wins. Cheaper space, the way to the grave. to everyone. Rogozin’s gut is thin to prove to Putin. But there are no others.

[LiSiCyn]

About, premiums ...
There is such a form of payment for KTU. Maybe someone came across. I'll tell you with my example. The maximum at my plant is 1,7 of which 1, this is not a reduced salary, but 0,7 bonus. When applying for a job, the employer hides the information ... And he names the amount, starting at 1,6, adding that there is still a bonus. In fact, when trying to find out why the salary has suddenly become less, it is stated ... You all work from 1 and the rest must be earned. KTU (labor participation rate), was created during the years of perestroika. To put it simply, the employer gave money to the brigade (subdivision) and the brigade itself decided how much to whom (Vasya drank, he was less). In our case, the KTU, is presented by the authorities, without explaining the reasons. No, there is an explanation - "You did not work well" ... I will add from myself, a lot depends on the director (chief), such chaos began 4 years ago, in connection with the change of the general director. Turnover, mom, don't worry. For example, today, instead of 7 loaders in my shift, there will be 4, and they will work for seven. And they will not receive additional payments for the load

[earloop]

Where do hole-holes come from? Basically, they appear from a zealous "camel" - a boss who really cannot set a production task and organize technological and regime control, and to whom: everything is "below the knees." In such conditions, the most conscientious and efficient worker or engineer may turn out to be an involuntary "pest" of complex and responsible technology.