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A naive question: Why wasn’t they remembered about caring for retirees until March 18?

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New feature of coverage of pension reform in news releases on federal channels. Following the reports on the vigorous working 70-year-old citizens-retirees, materials are published on the work of regional legislative assemblies. It is announced that local legislators with the backbone of United Russia are already considering amendments to the pension legislation, trying to improve the social security of citizens.




At the same time, they no longer talk about raising the retirement age, but they are talking about preserving benefits, as well as how much money the regions will now have to spend on social protection. Regional officials, raising their hands at meetings, unanimously vote to ensure an adequate number of jobs for people of pre-retirement age, without explaining what prevented them from implementing such support earlier - for example, before the president addressed citizens.

It also announces a high responsibility of the government to the people in the form of social obligations assumed - responsibility for the fate of future retirees. But at the same time, none of the reports did not explain why the authorities had not announced their high responsibility before the March elections in terms of their readiness to take care of future retirees in a certain way. Or does the government allocate clear time periods for itself when it is ready to inform the people about caring for it, and when it is not ready?

Before 18 March - it was impossible, but now - it is possible. Before 18 March, there were words about innovative breakthroughs, overcoming sanctions, advantages of the maternity capital program, the success of import substitution, readiness to ensure economic growth at rates that are higher than the world average. After that, the well-known phrase is that it is impossible to continue with the reform, and that raising the bar of retirement age should be treated with understanding.

The theme of the referendum on pension reform is also being blurred. Only individual voices of representatives of the authorities are heard that the people have too many emotions in this issue, and therefore it is better to do everything by the authorities themselves, without bothering the population with a complex issue. But for some reason, when election day comes, the authorities appeal precisely to the people, saying that the future of the country depends on the voice of everyone. And in the case of a hypothetical referendum does not depend?
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  1. Egorovich
    Egorovich 6 September 2018 12: 01
    +18
    It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies. We still can’t do more.
    1. Vend
      Vend 6 September 2018 12: 18
      -16
      Quote: Egorovich
      It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies. We still can’t do more.

      Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.
      1. vatov
        vatov 6 September 2018 13: 32
        +16
        It doesn't look like the current government! We have lost so much from "reforms" that Brezhnev's rule seems to be paradise!
        1. conservative
          conservative 6 September 2018 13: 50
          -25
          In order for a semblance of paradise (ideal state) to come - you need to tighten the Criminal Code, the employer should stand with the whip over the workers for 12 hours (we need to increase the efficiency of the economy if the clowns think that the only thing is to take Deripaska away and give it to Ivanov, it’s just the problem of the clowns), and instead of the Duma there should be some sort of military advice

          The elite should not go with Israeli passports in their pocket - but in uniform and with a military ID

          It sounds good, of course, but as soon as they begin to tighten the nuts, then again the same people who are pouring them will begin to shed tears on the forum.

          And of course, the clowns will begin to say:

          But in Germany they live well without a whip and a military council. But again - these are just the problems of clowns with their clown thinking.

          If you butted with 80% of the global economy and insisted on financial sovereignty and complete autonomy, you have to be prepared to lose a lot, for the sake of a brighter future for the next generations
          1. Dude
            Dude 6 September 2018 15: 46
            +15
            the employer must stand over the workers with a whip all 12 hours


            What, pens itch so much, take a little stick and stand on the workers?
            Well, well, the thing is, and wave to them, go?
            But are we not afraid that they might turn around?
            1. conservative
              conservative 6 September 2018 17: 30
              -10
              What, pens itch so much, take a little stick and stand on the workers?


              groans again. no do not itch. I am a worker myself. but I think I need a whip. Yes. Because I see what half of the people are doing at "work"
              1. Alf
                Alf 6 September 2018 21: 15
                +3
                Quote: conservative
                I am a worker myself. but I think I need a whip. Yes. Because I see what half of the people are doing at "work"

                And you yourself belong to which half of yourself?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 17: 19
            +6
            Quote: conservative
            But butt with 80% of the global economy

            I do not see any butt.
            Quote: conservative
            for a brighter future for future generations

            Show the light at the end of the tunnel, what is it, the future?
          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 6 September 2018 18: 42
            +6
            Quote: conservative
            If you butted with 80% of the global economy and insisted on financial sovereignty and complete autonomy - you have to be prepared to lose a lot, for the sake of a brighter future for the next generation

            So let the friends of power also lose and suffer, why should we suffer only?
          4. GibSoN
            GibSoN 6 September 2018 20: 51
            +3
            we need to increase the efficiency of the economy
            Tried to work? Or get an RFP for picking your nose, and then talk about who, how and how much works easier? I agree with a number of statements by the authorities! There are really VERY many people in the country who need to increase labor productivity! Moreover, this is not only officials and a number of other civil servants. Apparently, definitely a character like you also applies to them. It cannot be otherwise! All of whom I know from mere mortals, over the past few years, have begun to work at least a half to two times more and! Attention! Moreover, even less to earn! Therefore, for example, I am not at all surprised at the statement at the level of high officials that we have a phenomenon in our country! Namely, the working-poor! I’ll continue right away, I tried it! Do not teach me how to live, do not know where to go!
          5. forester
            forester 7 September 2018 07: 42
            +11
            The whip in the hands of the employer led to the collapse of the empire in 1917. The permissiveness of the owner of the lack of rights of the hard worker is repeated now. So the whip you need is needed over the head of the employer, and for the hard worker you need to observe his constitutional rights, which are violated almost everywhere, although there are laws that protect the employee, but the severity of the law is compensated by the non-bindingness of their enforcement more powerful. That's so kind. Go down to the ground.
        2. Vend
          Vend 7 September 2018 10: 11
          -6
          Quote: vatov
          It doesn't look like the current government! We have lost so much from "reforms" that Brezhnev's rule seems to be paradise!

          Open your eyes and see how much we have acquired.
      2. kakvastam
        kakvastam 6 September 2018 13: 54
        +8
        Quote: Wend
        Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people.

        This is a very strong assumption. Usually, power is guided by the interests of power.
        Rare cases of the unity of power and the state are reduced to the formula "The State is Me!"
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 September 2018 10: 12
          0
          Quote: kakvastam
          Quote: Wend
          Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people.

          This is a very strong assumption. Usually, power is guided by the interests of power.
          Rare cases of the unity of power and the state are reduced to the formula "The State is Me!"

          You can compare the life of France during the time of Louis XIV and the same time in Russia. This is the 15th century.
      3. Kito
        Kito 6 September 2018 16: 03
        +12
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: Egorovich
        It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies. We still can’t do more.

        Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.

        also remember that with him prices fell every year
        1. azkolt
          azkolt 7 September 2018 21: 34
          -3
          If you really remember this, then you must remember what prices were before the decline. How much for example was a glass of salt?
          1. Vend
            Vend 14 September 2018 10: 24
            0
            Quote: azkolt
            If you really remember this, then you must remember what prices were before the decline. How much for example was a glass of salt?

            I’ll tell you something else, pensions were lower than student scholarships.
        2. Vend
          Vend 14 September 2018 10: 23
          0
          Quote: Kito
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Egorovich
          It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies. We still can’t do more.

          Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.

          also remember that with him prices fell every year

          The law on spikelets and workdays is also remembered. I repeat. the authorities always do what is beneficial for the country, and then for the people.
      4. volot-voin
        volot-voin 6 September 2018 16: 46
        +6
        Quote: Wend
        Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.

        What will be the needs of the country if we, the indigenous population die out as a result of reforms?
        It doesn't look like the current government! We have lost so much from "reforms"
        I agree with that. If reforms led to the creation of industries, new jobs, the rise of science. industry and CX. But alas, they lead to the enrichment of the oligarchs and the impoverishment of the state ((((
      5. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 17: 15
        +2
        Quote: Wend
        but people have lost a lot.

        Lost those who had a lot of money. And even then ... Deposits over 10 000 rubles. were estimated as 2 to 1, and those with up to 3 rubles. was then 000 to 1.
      6. Skif83
        Skif83 6 September 2018 20: 15
        +2
        Let's say there was a serious goal. Yes, and they lost incomparably less than, say, from a canoe. Only after the Stalinist reform did prices decline. And the state controlled the progress of the reform.
      7. Stoler
        Stoler 6 September 2018 22: 14
        +3
        Compared laughing Stalin and Putin laughing laughing
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 September 2018 10: 26
          -1
          Quote: Stoler
          Compared laughing Stalin and Putin laughing laughing

          I did not compare, but showed that the government always and at all times does what is beneficial for the country in the first place.
      8. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 8 September 2018 12: 06
        +2
        Quote: Wend

        Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.

        Joseph Vissarionovich is known for not carrying out monetary reform. The comparison is unsuccessful. If Putin climbs on a stool, stretches out to his full height, stands on tiptoe, maybe he can tie the laces on Stalin's boots (s).
        1. Vend
          Vend 14 September 2018 10: 28
          0
          Quote: Sunflower
          Quote: Wend

          Any government makes the necessary moves guided by the needs of the country, and then people. I remember Joseph Vissarionovich conducted a monetary reform for the good of the country, but people have lost a lot.

          Joseph Vissarionovich is known for not carrying out monetary reform. The comparison is unsuccessful. If Putin climbs on a stool, stretches out to his full height, stands on tiptoe, maybe he can tie the laces on Stalin's boots (s).

          This is your personal opinion of a narrow focus. Although you and the rabid adherents of Stalin gave me an interesting idea.
    2. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 6 September 2018 12: 24
      +5
      courage is enough to spit? and then on the forums all the heroes and screamers, but how are you going to touch quieter water
      1. conservative
        conservative 6 September 2018 14: 02
        -21
        courage is enough to spit? and then on the forums all the heroes and screamers, but how are you going to touch quieter water


        after they have elected sternin for the presidency by the whole forum, I think the "batman" regime is still on.
        they have already broken the walls of the Kremlin with posts, and Putin is trembling in his office as he reads Svarog, Andrei Yurich and Sylvester. Have you seen their epaulettes? the same soldier

        Here the revolutionaries are notable on the forum, unique, professionals in all areas, having their own points of view on each issue. Moreover, their points of view - judging by the number of points after sentences and smiles - are as objective and accurate as possible.

        So that you surely noticed




        1. conservative
          conservative 6 September 2018 14: 37
          -8
          I think there are few cons. need more. the fight must be selfless wassat the military

          1. Vend
            Vend 14 September 2018 10: 30
            0
            Quote: conservative
            I think there are few cons. need more. the fight must be selfless wassat the military

            We have nothing to fear from cons. hi
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 27
          +7
          Quote: conservative
          when reading Svarog, Andrei Yurich and Sylvester

          the main thing is that you remember about us. You see from the society of kneeling and plate-licking? Then is your day. And when faced with simple people and their problems, then a completely different worldview.
    3. volot-voin
      volot-voin 6 September 2018 16: 49
      +7
      Quote: Egorovich
      It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies.

      To the best extent possible, insert sticks into the wheels. Go to rallies, sign petitions, vote not for United Russia.
    4. free
      free 7 September 2018 06: 59
      +1
      Quote: Egorovich
      It is possible and necessary to spit on this crowd from the government and deputies. We still can’t do more.

      But this is not true, we can and must fight.
  2. Runoway
    Runoway 6 September 2018 12: 01
    +36
    March 18 promised that they will be engaged in internal affairs and welfare of the population
    benz
    -tax
    -pension
    ....... scary to imagine what else will help in the near future
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 September 2018 12: 08
      +33
      Quote: Runoway
      ....... scary to imagine what else will help in the near future
      Those who die before retirement age are cremated and forced to work in the hourglass. wassat
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 6 September 2018 13: 30
        +18
        Well, actually, the "soft" version of the pension reform has been chosen.

      2. bessmertniy
        bessmertniy 6 September 2018 13: 33
        +1
        And from the judges, they say, it turns out a good soap. wink
      3. The comment was deleted.
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 6 September 2018 16: 57
      +4
      Quote: Runoway
      March 18 promised that they will be engaged in internal affairs and welfare of the population

      If the state comes to you, save who can.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 30
      +3
      Quote: Runoway
      scary to imagine what else will help in the near future

      so in Costituti everything is written
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 6 September 2018 12: 06
    +11
    It also announces the high responsibility of the authorities to the people in the format of their social obligations - responsibility for the fate of future retirees.

    1. conservative
      conservative 6 September 2018 14: 17
      -18
      I do not know what people who like to read fairy tales about retirement, economic growth and a good life are doing here

      MILITARY REVIEW

      just in case, I highlighted the name of the place where we all gathered
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 6 September 2018 18: 25
        +20
        Quote: conservative
        I do not know what people who like to read fairy tales about retirement, economic growth and a good life are doing here


        Well, what do you yourself, in this case, do in the topic, where "fairy tales and clowns", and where your comments are already dazzling.

        Strange, but in topics especially MILITARY topics you are not as active as in this.

        Just in case, I singled out a section in which your bright and informative comments are very much awaited without any personal changes.
  4. Loess
    Loess 6 September 2018 12: 07
    -12
    And in the case of a hypothetical referendum is independent?

    Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe promised in the next three years to increase the retirement age in the country and to make other changes that will allow the Japanese to work longer and postpone receiving a pension.
    In an interview with the Nikkei Asia Review newspaper, he said that he would like the retirement age in Japan to be above 65 years, and its residents to remain active until the end of their lives. At the same time, the Japanese will be asked to postpone the receipt of pensions until 70 years and in return to receive the right to higher payments.
    You give an all-Japanese referendum, Japanese ... at !!!
    1. Revival
      Revival 6 September 2018 12: 50
      +19
      I will support your thought. You are right. This is a very good example for the people of Russia.
      In vain did the Japanese start this, and so in terms of life they lag very much behind us, did you mean this? If not this, and you did not push for comparison by analogy, then your message or evil intentionally or simply is empty and inappropriate
      1. reservist
        reservist 6 September 2018 14: 03
        +8
        Quote: Revival
        they are already very far behind us in terms of life expectancy

        Yes, where are they to us ...

    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 33
      +8
      Quote: Less
      You give an all-Japanese referendum, Japanese ... at !!!

      and for completeness, you compare the standard of living in Japan and in Russia, the quality of health care, education. After that, you can talk about pensions
  5. Observer2014
    Observer2014 6 September 2018 12: 07
    +38
    A naive question: Why wasn’t they remembered about caring for retirees until March 18?
    Because Putin would not be chosen then. That's the whole answer.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 6 September 2018 12: 11
      +9
      On the other hand ... Why Putin this reform? The rating is high, PR further and at rest - with a star of a hero and popular love ... but no, let pensioners starve .. look for a hemorrhagic ...
      1. Non liberoid Russian
        Non liberoid Russian 6 September 2018 12: 26
        -12
        why did you and the local elite decide that Putin decides everything? naive village children
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 6 September 2018 12: 33
          +9
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          ... naive village children


          He said from Yaroslavl to Muscovites ... bully
        2. solzh
          solzh 6 September 2018 12: 35
          +12
          Quote: Not a liberoid Russian
          why did you and the local elite decide that Putin decides everything? naive village children

          And who decides? Explain to us, the naive children of the villages, this question. Really masons? wassat
          1. Forester
            Forester 6 September 2018 13: 08
            +8
            The Illuminati have been forgotten !!! laughing
        3. Matroskin
          Matroskin 6 September 2018 12: 48
          +11
          Of course, he does not solve everything. He expresses the opinion of power groups.
          Quote: Not Liberoid Russian
          naive village children

          Social Darwinist?
        4. Revival
          Revival 6 September 2018 12: 54
          +5
          All of course not.
          The only question is, can the main thing be solved at least?
      2. Revival
        Revival 6 September 2018 12: 52
        +2
        This is based on the fact that he a priori for the people one way or another, then yes the question arises.
        And if you do not proceed from this initially, then the question is not so obvious
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 6 September 2018 13: 14
          +4
          The question is obvious and no one answers it ... does he need it to hell?
      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 September 2018 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        On the other hand ... Why Putin this reform? The rating is high, PR further and at rest - with a star of a hero and popular love ... but no, let pensioners starve .. look for a hemorrhagic ...

        He is simply forced to do it by those who installed it.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 35
          0
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          He is simply forced to do it by those who installed it.

          and who put it? It seems that the people of the country together appointed him to this post
          1. pormezan
            pormezan 7 September 2018 09: 17
            -1
            Families / clans put it. The list is on Forbes. And the "Ivanovs" are not there.
            The people of Putin "elected" several times over the course of 20 years, but for some reason they cannot dismiss this worker who has lost confidence in the same democratic way.
          2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 7 September 2018 13: 14
            0
            and who put it? It seems that the people of the country together appointed him to this post

            I don’t know, I think not the people, not the USA and not the oligarchs, the oligarchs in particular, before our pensions, in my opinion are completely violet ... something is wrong in our kingdom and in many others it is also visible ...
      4. militia2
        militia2 6 September 2018 21: 56
        +4
        And really, why does Putin need this? Why rename the police to the police? Why not introduce a progressive tax on the rich? Why open Yeltsin centers? Why close the plywood at the parades Mausoleum? What for?
        1. reservist
          reservist 7 September 2018 10: 11
          0
          Quote: Militia2
          Why not introduce a progressive tax on the rich?

          for starters, it will be enough to abolish the regressive tax, which is also not for the poor ...
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 34
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      Because Putin would not be chosen then. That's the whole answer.

      But what about 77%?
      1. pormezan
        pormezan 7 September 2018 09: 19
        -1
        77%? As long as anonymous voting, it is easy to replace one ballot with another with anonymous ticks in the desired box.
  6. Alexanast
    Alexanast 6 September 2018 12: 08
    0
    that in this matter the people have too many emotions


    Yeah, and all the negative ones ... How would you say softer ...? No, it doesn’t work ...
  7. Mihail55
    Mihail55 6 September 2018 12: 15
    +16
    Prokhorov once stuttered about increasing the length of the working day. Maybe this will come to mind of the powerful at the next stage of caring for us? Together with illegal black and white salaries, there are now no trade unions in many enterprises. But this is no longer something unusual ... BY CONCEPT! By old age, you begin to get used to ... power and DECEPTION are twin brothers! I recall the incorruptible "Aria" - "... what power - what dirt ..."
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 6 September 2018 13: 30
      +10
      When in many countries a 6-7 hour work day to set up with us a 12 hour would be very cool. More overseers with whips - and tear into the bright future by leaps and bounds! lol wassat
      1. kakvastam
        kakvastam 6 September 2018 13: 58
        +3
        Twelve is somehow not very good, a round number is better - sixteen!
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 6 September 2018 14: 44
          +3
          Quote: kakvastam
          Twelve is somehow not very good, a round number is better - sixteen!

          Constructively. Just enough for a healthy 8-hour sleep at the workplace. Then the economy will trample.
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 6 September 2018 14: 27
      +9
      Well, behind the scenes, there is already talk of increasing working hours. Like business loses money from 8 hours. We need to work more. And honest workers are honestly considered stupid people. Why do they need free time? In their free time, they only drink vodka, and then patients come to work and reduce labor productivity. Tomorrow, of course, no one will issue a decree to increase working time. But the movement in this direction is inevitably going. So over time, only the fact of a 12-hour shift will be legalized. Yes, and how not to legalize when there is a lot of shift work and work 2 through 2, or 7 through 7. Many after the shift still work or on their weekends and holidays. And not necessarily elsewhere. You can on your own.
      1. Prosha
        Prosha 8 September 2018 10: 51
        0
        You know, I would not promise - oh tomorrow! Everything can be in our God-forgotten country ...
  8. Matroskin
    Matroskin 6 September 2018 12: 16
    +24
    Primitive election technology in action. The state is the dictatorship of the ruling class. The ruling class is our big business. There will be no referendum. According to Goebbels's precepts, they will grind every day that life is beautiful.
    1. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 6 September 2018 12: 27
      -18
      and if so, what song will you sing?
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 6 September 2018 12: 34
        +9
        Non liberoid Russian (Alexander S.)
        and if so, what song will you sing?
        good drinks If grandmother had known genitals, she would be grandfather laughing drinks
        1. vadsonen
          vadsonen 6 September 2018 14: 49
          +9
          We can add that with such a king, the grandmother's genital organ may come to the whole country.
      2. Matroskin
        Matroskin 6 September 2018 12: 40
        +5
        Well, I’ll probably rejoice and try to understand the causes and consequences of the flexibility of the authorities in this matter.
      3. kakvastam
        kakvastam 6 September 2018 13: 58
        +4
        And you, if not?
      4. Mr Credo
        Mr Credo 6 September 2018 14: 31
        +13
        Well, an enlightener about real life in Russia. Does every hard worker have two foreign cars and he goes to rest abroad twice a year? And in retirement, everyone becomes foreign tourists?
  9. Sadko88
    Sadko88 6 September 2018 12: 16
    -20
    The president clearly said. We can change nothing for another six years. But then stupidly chopped off. Following is a political default. Mild reform is costly but painless. Your task is longevity. But this is exactly your task. Get involved in life. All For! am
    1. Revival
      Revival 6 September 2018 12: 44
      +18
      And ... What is the ultimate truth?
      That is, imagine:
      You are a worker and you didn’t fulfill all the plans that you yourself proposed, you can’t fix the situation, come to the boss and say I tried here but nothing worked and we are in a bankrupt state and I don’t know what to do with it. Only if you take your money also and invest again I think this time I will definitely succeed.
      Do you think continue to work?
      Should the boss understand and forgive you and instruct you to continue to manage the project?
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 6 September 2018 14: 04
      +18
      Quote: Sadko88
      The president clearly said.

      And you do not remember what he said during his reign? And so, everything came true?
      "Let them just try ..." is an indelible stain for life.
      And "Whoever hurts us, that day will not live"? Or "doubling the GDP" over the years?
      So if this is proof, then it is on the contrary.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 38
      +4
      Quote: Sadko88
      The president clearly said.

      he clearly spoke a lot of things for 18 years. What is done?
      25 million jobs created? He promised back in the year 12.
      18 years fighting for gas prices, calluses rubbed oars. Result?
      Manilovism!
    4. militia2
      militia2 6 September 2018 22: 05
      0
      All for! I’ll try as our President-pensioner (or not a pensioner yet?), After work in the evenings, ride horses and play hockey, the day, therefore, on horses, the next - in hockey, etc. And you too try! The president clearly said!
  10. sledak
    sledak 6 September 2018 12: 20
    +27
    Fulfillment of the election promise to deal with internal affairs and social issues:
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 6 September 2018 12: 30
      -2
      In nirvana, or what? smile
      1. vadsonen
        vadsonen 6 September 2018 14: 51
        +2
        Smoke Putin's Tricky Plan.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 43
      +3
      it’s they who are suffering with Medvedev
  11. Berkut24
    Berkut24 6 September 2018 12: 43
    +8
    Why didn’t they remember about caring for pensioners until March 18?

    Here comes the substitution of concepts. By March 18, they had just taken care of pensioners. They are the main voting electorate. All kipish does not concern them, but those who were preparing to become a pensioner.
    Actually, the reaction to the events has already come. And it concerns not demonstrations in the form of a protest controlled by pseudo-communists, but a sharp change in the tactics of recruiting personnel by commercial structures and the financial behavior of "unhappy pensioners."
    The companies amicably switch to fixed-term contracts with employees of pre-retirement age in order to avoid problems with dismissal. And potential pensioners of all ages themselves begin accumulating for old age not through a pension fund, but through an interest-bearing deposit in a bank, so that they can then retire when they themselves want to pay pensions to themselves. Well, whoever doesn’t earn so much as to postpone, he only has to make an appointment with Gennady Andreyevich and remember the names of Medvedev, Siluanov and Golikova for speeches.
    1. Berkut24
      Berkut24 6 September 2018 14: 19
      +5
      And yes, I’ll add. If instead of a pension fund, the money is transferred to banks, then the state will have to transfer transfers even more. In this way, the Government can get the exact opposite effect.
    2. Prosha
      Prosha 8 September 2018 10: 57
      0
      And potential pensioners of all ages themselves begin to accumulate for old age not through a pension fund, but through an interest-bearing deposit in a bank, so that they can retire later when they themselves want to pay pensions to themselves

      Can you tell me the name of the bank? I would like to join the future class of the rentier), you look and get rich in retirement, I did not live well, and suddenly in old age I got lucky.
      Would you be careful in the tips)
  12. Sadko88
    Sadko88 6 September 2018 12: 47
    -29
    Look, I am far beyond 40. Together with you, I am falling under this pension reform. Why is this reform not upsetting me? First, I’m going to live at least up to 100, but I don’t count on anything from the state. Personally, I have not invested a dime in the state. Yes, but not a penny. On the contrary, the state taught me by giving a full secondary education, etc. ... It’s high time to rename the PF deduction into a pension tax. It will be more honest. The point is what. Personally, the state owes me nothing. Put on its feet and thanks. Further myself smile
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 6 September 2018 13: 58
      +23
      Quote: Sadko88
      Personally, I have not invested a dime in the state.

      What and VAT? And excise taxes. And taxes. Do you eat air, live in a cardboard box? To me, the state is still in the black.
      I'm not talking about artificial taxes on compulsory motor liability insurance, on greedy traffic cops, requisitions at school, medical examinations, etc. It is only in our country that a qualified specialist can feed only himself and the cat. But Kudrin and Medvedev have a bunch.
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 6 September 2018 16: 26
        +5
        "It is only in our country that a qualified specialist can feed only himself and a cat ..."
        Therefore, it is not surprising that skilled specialists over the hill leave where they are valued for their mind.
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 6 September 2018 14: 06
      +17
      Yap. Or a troll on a salary.
    3. reservist
      reservist 6 September 2018 14: 15
      +10
      Quote: Sadko88
      Personally, I have not invested a dime in the state.

      Do not pay taxes to the state?
    4. Berkut24
      Berkut24 6 September 2018 14: 22
      +15
      Personally, the state owes me nothing. Put on its feet and thanks.

      Write this to the Pension Fund. After 20 years, they will remember this piece of paper.
    5. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 6 September 2018 14: 43
      +12
      Well done that myself! And all around you like stallions jumping? Do they become healthier with age? I’m looking at many over 50, what kind of employees are they? Breathe through time and jerk. Sight, hearing, pressure, arthrosis, varicose veins, fatigue and low physical endurance, ... fall. What kind of workers do they have in the bathhouse? About 4 hours a day they still work with grief in half. But this is still looking at what kind of work. Are there many cashier sellers in the store for 50? In small shops can retired koloboks, and in large ones? And what kind of ladies are you looking at? All for those over 70?
    6. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 48
      +3
      Your question
      Quote: Sadko88
      Why is this reform not upsetting me?

      your answer
      Quote: Sadko88
      Personally, I have not invested a dime in the state.

      everything is logical. And the one who is upset is sitting on the budget.
      based on your logic, the traumatologist must pay a pension from the earned. Perfectly! So instead of gypsum, he will operate right and left, who needs and who does not need. But you can still do the operations in stages, with an interval of a month or two. That dough for retirement will work. What about the patient? Yes, and God be with him? if you do not survive or remain disabled, fate!
    7. prapor55
      prapor55 7 September 2018 08: 38
      0
      Mom and Dad put you on your feet, and have a plan to live up to a hundred years ?! People of your generation will already leave by this time and you will not just find an interlocutor, but loneliness is a very terrible thing.
  13. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2018 12: 56
    +13
    Quote: Nasr
    Why Putin this reform? The rating is high, PR further and at rest - with a hero star and popular love ...

    ------------------------
    From his speech, I understood that in our country, Putin does not solve absolutely anything. He is such a senior boyar and looking over the boyars. Power in the country de facto belongs to Gref, Chubais, Kudrin on the part of the financial liberal bloc and on the part of the oligarchy Sechin, Miller, Mordashov, well, those who are slightly lower in rank. Because Putin came out with his "please treat with understanding" and directly told us who he really serves and what he really is. Putin's "rating" is a kind of indulgence to the oligarchs to further plunder the country, supposedly such an indestructible legitimacy.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 6 September 2018 13: 31
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Nasr
      Why Putin this reform? The rating is high, PR further and at rest - with a hero star and popular love ...

      ------------------------
      From his speech, I understood that in our country, Putin does not solve absolutely anything. He is such a senior boyar and looking over the boyars. Power in the country de facto belongs to Gref, Chubais, Kudrin on the part of the financial liberal bloc and on the part of the oligarchy Sechin, Miller, Mordashov, well, those who are slightly lower in rank. Because Putin came out with his "please treat with understanding" and directly told us who he really serves and what he really is. Putin's "rating" is a kind of indulgence to the oligarchs to further plunder the country, supposedly such an indestructible legitimacy.

      Everyone is free to think, in this matter, as his imagination allows ... Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and the power in the country? - It's funny ... the communists prepared them for the redistribution of the property of the USSR - that's for sure! But as a "tool" in the hands of the KGB ... Actually, that's how it turned out ...
      Chubais in 1987 participated in the foundation of the Leningrad club "Perestroika". In the mid-1980s, he was the leader of the informal circle of democratically-minded economists of Leningrad, created by a group of graduates of economic universities of the city
      In 1990, Deputy, then First Deputy Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council, Chief Economic Advisor to the Mayor of Leningrad Anatoly Sobchak
      You yourself understand that such things under the USSR did not go through without the approval of the KGB and the Central Committee of the CPSU ...
      And all sorts of Millers and others are just "overseers" ...

    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 6 September 2018 14: 09
      +8
      Rather, he is an actor, a performer of the role of president.
      And what scriptwriters and directors we have today, everyone knows who even occasionally turns on the TV.
      So do not shoot the pianist ...
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 50
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      Because Putin came out with his "please treat with understanding"

  14. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 6 September 2018 12: 57
    +11
    Why didn’t they remember about caring for pensioners until March 18?

    Why didn’t you remember? Recalled. From the IMF report:

    RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    STAFF REPORT FOR THE 2017 CONSULTATIONS OF THE YEAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH ARTICLE IV

    15 June 2017 year

    Official position

    16. The authorities are committed to fiscal consolidation
    .... However, they recognized that the binding effect of this mechanism may not be strict enough, since it does not impose restrictions on borrowing. Although approval of pension reform can occur only some time after the presidential electionThey discussed three sets of measures that could be considered:
    i) increase and equalization of retirement ages established by law;
    ii) reduction of retirement benefits in case of early retirement;
    iii) reduction of pension payments for pensioners who have not reached the mandatory retirement age.
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 September 2018 13: 01
    +15
    "Why" yes "why" .... yes-by "head of cabbage" ....
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 6 September 2018 16: 17
      +5
      And he has a good salary, and a decent pension is waiting for him)
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 51
      +2
      yes, reborn! And once he said
  16. Sadko88
    Sadko88 6 September 2018 13: 06
    -23
    And all the negativity from whom? Dali tyrannosaurs smartphones. What it is made of, by whom it is made and why its price is not understood, but they mastered the applications on which they began to criticize their government together. By participating in the profit of another.
    1. pormezan
      pormezan 7 September 2018 09: 53
      -1
      Is it we who, in order to create new jobs, are investing in American dollar papers?
  17. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2018 13: 07
    +19
    Quote: Sadko88
    Look, I am far beyond 40. Together with you, I am falling under this pension reform. Why is this reform not upsetting me? First, I’m going to live at least up to 100, but I don’t count on anything from the state.

    -------------------------
    Misunderstanding of the role of the state as such is yours. God created people different physically and mentally, not every organism can calmly modify to 65, including working conditions are different for people. You do not need, another person needs it. Why do you judge by yourself? Are you so selfish? So you decided to indicate your position in this way. Power destroys jobs and robs people of social mobility. Well, when you reach retirement age, are you sure that your money will be saved? Are you sure that you will not have age-related dementia? You, as they say, with such statements simply do not take into account age-related risks, both physiological and social. We live in a society, not a terrarium, but we are offered to live in a terrarium.
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 6 September 2018 13: 23
      -20
      No way. That you judge by yourself. I urge you to live long, you, as an egoist who has decided not to live out, resist. There are always risks. I plan to live for at least 100 years, but I will not pass by the opportunity to protect third parties at the risk of myself. We have Cossacks like that, someone else. A peaceful society in my country without war is important to me. For that we live. Everything else is lyrics and a vacuum ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 17: 50
        +8
        Quote: Sadko88
        I plan to live at least 100 years

        Can I see and smoke your plan? laughing
        1. pormezan
          pormezan 7 September 2018 09: 55
          0
          Yes, he’s just blissful!
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      3. Prosha
        Prosha 8 September 2018 11: 11
        +1
        I plan to live at least 100 years

        Old truth never gets old --- Want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans!
    2. Matroskin
      Matroskin 6 September 2018 14: 36
      +14
      In my opinion, we already live in a terrarium. Here is the respected Sadko88, without a conditionally bright personality. Homegrown social Darwinists talked about 30 million. did not fit into the market. Now the final dismantling of Soviet social achievements is taking place. Further, in my opinion, the fascization of the state will already take place, all the signs are there. One sign is missing ... terror against striking workers (no strikes) ... we'll see. Although, according to the legend of the exercise, in the 16th year Rosgvadia held exercises, in the transport department of the city of Zlatoust, Chelyabinsk region, a strike of workers began, "who were not paid for several months."
      Let me remind you Dimitrov: Fascism is an open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, most imperialist elements of financial capital ... Fascism is not superclass power and not the power of the petty bourgeoisie or the lumpen proletariat over financial capital. Fascism is the power of finance capital itself. This is an organization of terrorist reprisals against the working class and the revolutionary part of the peasantry and intelligentsia.
      1. Sadko88
        Sadko88 6 September 2018 16: 46
        -9
        Is the entrepreneur a capitalist or a socialist? If the law complies with the country's leading corporations, it gives jobs, pays taxes? They build an army for taxes, pay pensions, etc.
        1. Matroskin
          Matroskin 6 September 2018 18: 01
          +6
          The capitalist is the owner of capital, using his means and wage labor for profit. Entrepreneur capitalist? Of course yes.
          Socialism is nothing more than a state-capitalist monopoly, turned to the benefit of the whole people and so far ceased to be a capitalist monopoly. Can a capitalist be a socialist? Can. If you are ready to give up benefits in favor of the people.
          Are you a fan of social democracy, the Swedish model, or national socialism? This is another conversation.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 6 September 2018 22: 47
          0
          Quote: Sadko88
          If the law complies with the country's leading corporations, it gives jobs, pays taxes? They build an army for taxes, pay pensions, etc.

          so did Hitler! What are the differences?
    3. Matroskin
      Matroskin 6 September 2018 15: 01
      +3
      By the way. In the Analytics section, racial theory is now seriously discussed (Death of the North. On the extinction of the white race). What a wonderful workout for the minds)) Honestly, I'm scared.
      1. Sadko88
        Sadko88 6 September 2018 16: 14
        -6
        Yes, there are no races except man. The only one descended from a monkey is Darwin himself. A person has the ability to change depending on the place of residence. Not right away. From generation to generation. The body is adapting. We get the appearance under which nature imprisoned. The textures are different and the character, but the people are all the same.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 53
          -1
          Quote: Sadko88
          A person has the ability to change depending on the place of residence

          do not understand? So what determines a person’s development - genotype or phenotype?
  18. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 6 September 2018 13: 20
    +5
    . Naive question: Why didn’t they remember about caring for pensioners until March 18?

    Desirable March 18, 199 .. Then everyone did not care and no one asked anyone. Then, probably, they did not remember because they were not going to pay it at all. We have already built "light capitalism" wassat this is the irony
  19. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 6 September 2018 13: 24
    +1
    The authorities do not rely on pensioners, many of whom do not survive from election to election. That is why their pensions today are sufficient for a very Spartan existence, and no more. And in the future, able-bodied citizens will remain the support of power, and pensioners will remain defenseless, as in the current situation with the promised new pension reform. And what to do about it request it is hard to imagine.
  20. gukoyan
    gukoyan 6 September 2018 13: 25
    +1
    The plush one pretends like it takes care of the population, but in fact it doesn’t care ...
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 6 September 2018 14: 03
      +8
      There are few official millions of them. It is also necessary to cover up the supply of the Russian Guard.
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 6 September 2018 14: 39
        +5
        Of course, who will be rallying old women in PAZs to throw and beat the harmless who came to express their legitimate protest
  21. Moskovit
    Moskovit 6 September 2018 13: 31
    -18
    In the 90s, no one paid taxes. But everyone wants to receive a pension for the 90s. You could continue to discuss who Putin is governed by inventing stories about the extermination of the people, and you can calculate how many are working now, and how many pensioners. And there are also military pensioners who retired at 45. So reform is needed in any way.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 6 September 2018 13: 42
      +20
      Quote: Moskovit
      In the 90-s none I did not pay taxes ... So reform is needed anyway.

      You are kindly requested, please write in your own name: "I did not pay taxes ... I need a pension reform."

      Tens of millions were "hunchbacked" and taxes were paid regularly in the same 90s, while people were not even given a salary for months with that draconian inflation.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 6 September 2018 14: 16
        -18
        You know, you also do not speak on behalf of tens of millions. At that time I was hunched over and saw how someone was paying.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 6 September 2018 14: 53
          +11
          Quote: Moskovit
          At that time I was bent and saw how someone paid.


          Well, if you have personally seen, then this, of course, changes things ...

          And the person who really bent, paid, and in addition went through promises in the form of vouchers, T-bills and optimizations, and after all this approves of the proposed pension reform, can be called, perhaps, an incorrigible optimist.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 6 September 2018 15: 02
            -13
            Can you offer something else with the negative dynamics of population growth and the rapid aging of the working population? Or how Zyuganov repeat populist slogans. He then normally nakhradovat himself. Reform is necessary, for you will begin the 90s with months of delays in pensions.
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 6 September 2018 15: 12
              +17
              Quote: Moskovit
              with a negative population growth and the rapid aging of the working population?

              Did not understand you. And what, after raising the retirement age, the working population will become younger?

              I repeat, but once with the same certainty as you are showing now on pension reform, they said that there is no alternative to voucher privatization. After that, it turned out that a dozen or two owners of all national wealth (oligarchs) appeared in the country and millions of people like you and me — who were simply deceived by these ridiculous papers.

              Therefore, my proposal looks extremely simple: not to discuss the pension reform behind the scenes, not to do this with an invitation only to those who are both in favor of raising the retirement age, completely ignoring the opinions of those economists who offer dozens of alternatives, and to begin with, build a transparent discussion - with a reflection of all pros and cons. So that people can at least see for themselves who and what exactly is offering. Otherwise, you will get the next black hole "Pension Fund 2.0".
              1. reservist
                reservist 6 September 2018 16: 39
                +4
                Quote: Volodin
                do not discuss pension reform behind the scenes, do not do this with an invitation exclusively to those who are two-handed for raising the retirement age, completely ignoring the views of those economists who offer dozens of alternatives, and to start building a transparent discussion - reflecting all the pros and cons

                +1
                for the second time the Germans go through raising the retirement age, after discussing various options in the Bundestag (from bringing a few million more Turks to the country to ... raising the age again), i.e. public discussion with numbers and calculations, still decided to raise in five years, one month a year ...

                Quote: Moskovit
                Or how Zyuganov repeat populist slogans.

                but where are the discussions / debates in which the same Zyuganov, and not only he, would substantiate his position with numbers?
            2. reservist
              reservist 6 September 2018 16: 08
              +5
              Quote: Moskovit
              You can offer something else with a negative population growth

              do not start with that, first it was necessary to deal with "gray" salaries (abolish regression taxation for social taxes)

              and rapid aging of the working population?

              so "impetuous"?
              the increase in the retirement age will be really "rapid", especially for the male population, whose retirement age will probably be slightly longer than in Thailand ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 18: 11
                0
                Quote: reservist
                probably will be a little more than in Thailand ...

                You are mistaken, Thailand is now retired for about 20 years living, they will have more of our life expectancy.
                1. Volodin
                  Volodin 6 September 2018 18: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  You are mistaken, Thailand is now retired for about 20 years living, they will have more of our life expectancy.

                  Answer the same, how much the State Department paid you for this comment)) The Ministry of Health clearly said: we have a childhood before 30 years, and give birth to 63 ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 18: 40
                    0
                    Quote: Volodin
                    Answer how much the State Department paid you for this

                    The bourgeoisie are few in number. 3 kopecks - 10 letters. crying
                2. reservist
                  reservist 6 September 2018 18: 56
                  +1
                  They have a pension only for civil servants, whom there is not to say so much ...
                  for the rest - only in 2012 did they come up with a voluntary pension program
                  PS thanks for the comment, I learned that even in Thailand, something has changed for the better ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 6 September 2018 19: 52
                    0
                    Quote: reservist
                    They have a pension only for civil servants, whom there is not to say so much

                    Since the 99th year, they have the same funded system as ours. Only a little is paid - 3% of the total salary. The minimum length of service is 15 years, retirement is 55. There are no social pensions, yes. And full of those who work in black. They won’t get anything.
                    1. reservist
                      reservist 7 September 2018 12: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      No social pensions

                      65 with an average duration of 67 for men ...
                      consider that there are no pensions for those who do not reach 65, and there will be many
            3. militia2
              militia2 6 September 2018 22: 37
              +3
              Well, the forest and mountains danced! And Zyuganov skirds, and Putin stirs up, and you immediately pick up the spikelets ...
              Yes, of course, reform is necessary! But this is not a reform! Why, for example, not euthanize everyone who lived to retirement age? What, wildness? And this, so to speak, "reform" does not seem to you to be savage?
            4. kitt409
              kitt409 7 September 2018 20: 27
              +2
              Offer? easy - if it’s so difficult for us - why do ordinary citizens force to rectify the situation?
              And your mantras about the dynamics of population growth (- already tired of the order - about the dynamics of payments to the deputies of the State Duma after just five years of sitting - about 40k rubles, which DO NOT remember, that those who pay 22 percent of contributions to the Pension Fund earn about 60k, those who already pay roughly 100k are already paying 10, about the number of officials already exceeding their number in the USSR, which you don’t write about, that officials have a pension level of -75 (roughly) percent of their salary, while just citizens have 30 percent, in 10 years want to increase up to 40 percent ...
              Conclusion - if we have problems, then they need to be solved at the expense of ALL, including friends - and NOT by building another megatrace or trying to organize another championship for something ...
            5. Prosha
              Prosha 8 September 2018 11: 21
              +2
              Can you offer something else with the negative dynamics of population growth and rapid aging of the working population?

              Build manufacturing enterprises and develop an economy, real, not digital, restore order in law enforcement agencies, return the prosecutor's office to its power and ideally nationalize all large enterprises and everything that has been stolen from the people during the years of perestroika and "democratization". Well, after all this, you will not believe, and the dynamics of growth will improve and young people will appear and give birth more, because people will want to live in a normal country!
              Here I am such an optimist!
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 6 September 2018 14: 51
      +10
      And what? Do our pensions compete with the salaries of officials? Or exceed them? Can change the sources of financing pensions and salaries of officials? Pensions pay from the budget as officials, and officials pay from deductions as pensioners. Why not?
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 6 September 2018 19: 55
      +4
      Quote: Moskovit
      In the 90s, no one paid taxes. But everyone wants to receive a pension for the 90s.

      you just like Putin argue
    4. pormezan
      pormezan 7 September 2018 09: 58
      -1
      Lying. And this lie has already been refuted many times. So there’s no point in re-typing everything here. your task is also clear - to write this lie from time to time until people get tired of answering. And then the impression is that everyone agreed with you.
  22. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2018 13: 34
    +11
    Quote: Sadko88
    No way. That you judge by yourself. I urge you to live long, you, as an egoist who has decided not to live out, resist. There are always risks. I plan to live for at least 100 years, but I will not pass by the opportunity to protect third parties at the risk of myself. We have Cossacks like that, someone else. A peaceful society in my country without war is important to me. For that we live. Everything else is lyrics and a vacuum ...

    -------------------------------------
    I do not judge for myself, I just work in production and see how people of various professions live and survive - foundry workers, welders, machine operators, locksmiths, blacksmiths, drivers. It is not clear why you dragged the war, this is beside the point, and if you want about war, then the contradictions of capitalism, to which you indulge with such reasoning, lead to a state of war. And your Cossack saber is a weak and useless weapon in the current war. Moreover, you will not be able to protect all third parties, for this there is a state with its powerful military, medical, economic and monetary apparatus. By the way, socialism also envisaged the principle "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." That is, it was given if there is a need, literally.
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 6 September 2018 14: 15
      +4
      Do you seriously believe that 88 in the character’s nickname means a kiss, not a year of birth?
      1. Matroskin
        Matroskin 6 September 2018 15: 17
        +4
        good Did not notice. And then I think what confuses him in his judgments.
  23. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2018 13: 36
    +12
    Quote: Berkut24
    And it concerns not demonstrations in the form of a protest controlled by pseudo-communists

    ---------------------------
    And what kind of communists do you want? Some kind of ideal laboratory? Who will ride in dusty Budden helmets and you recognize them as communists. It is normal for people to protest and organize a protest, and this is how it should be and in many countries it happens. The authorities themselves decided to rock their boat, no one asked Mr Putin for such "concern for people", except for his camarilla.
  24. Snail N9
    Snail N9 6 September 2018 13: 41
    +2
    Briefly about pension reform https://fishki.net/anti/2647262-pro-pensionnuju-reformu---sovsem-kratko-dlja-dibilov.html winked
  25. kakvastam
    kakvastam 6 September 2018 13: 51
    +10
    Twenty-five million new jobs have long been created, Mr. Putin will not lie.
    All care for pensioners will go there too.
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 6 September 2018 14: 47
      +4
      ... and it becomes interesting why the 22 million people in the country who are below the poverty line are not working in these created places? Apparently your Master had a little jabbering somewhere ...
    2. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 6 September 2018 14: 54
      +7
      And GDP doubled, and China caught up and overtook! Not gonna get us!
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 6 September 2018 16: 13
        +2
        Do not forget about economics and science)
  26. Altona
    Altona 6 September 2018 14: 54
    +11
    Quote: Nasr
    Everyone is free to think, in this matter, as his imagination allows ... Gref, Chubais, Kudrin and the power in the country? - It's funny ... the communists prepared them for the redistribution of the property of the USSR - that's for sure! But as a "tool" in the hands of the KGB ... Actually, that's how it turned out ...

    ---------------------------
    As usual, you have a mess in the comments, in fact, as in your head. Real communists do not redistribute property. All the "communists" you mentioned, who are at the top, became degenerates and many of them made their way to the party to make a career, all of them became democrats in 1991. You either purposely roll a barrel at the communists or do not know how it really was. If you don't like communists, then don't be so dismissive. The communists built and defended the country, if you don't remember. However, you have already littered your head with bourgeois propaganda and you don't care about the history of the country.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 6 September 2018 16: 36
      -3
      Quote: Altona
      The communists built and defended the country, if you do not remember.


      It was definitely defended under Stalin, the rest (after him) the Communists surrendered it with giblets ... otherwise there would have been no 90s ..
      What reincarnations are you talking about? Those who led the Party and the country since 1953? How did the party allow this? And, I will answer you - it is rotten. And the current "communists" are just as rotten ... Yes, because they shift the responsibility for the collapse of the country to some "degenerates", and the communists never admit that it was under their leadership that the USSR was destroyed in order to divide the property!
      1. militia2
        militia2 6 September 2018 22: 43
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        Well, who is "not rotten"? Churchmen can? Or doctors and teachers? Or maybe the military? Time that is convenient to rotting! All communists do not need to be like that, with one dirty rag in the face, there are decent ones, as well as non-communists, too.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 7 September 2018 08: 44
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          Quote: Militia2
          All communists don’t need it, with one dirty rag in their faces, there are decent ones, as well as non-communists too.

          There are decent people, and now there is - and this is a fact ... But there were no Communists who would fight for their country in the 90s. This is a fact! Moreover, the communists were in leadership positions in the country, in the economy, in production - and the first rushed to privatize state property .. Enterprises went to their directors - didn’t they? What did the workers get? ... And so throughout the economy ... Where then were decent communists?
          1. militia2
            militia2 7 September 2018 10: 13
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            Communists and non-communists then worked at their workplaces and did not write comments on the Internet (then in newspapers) during working hours. Rarely, but there were also those who wrote. For example, the communist Nina Andreeva, after the announcement of publicity, wrote an article in the newspaper "I cannot give up my principles," after which she was persecuted to the point of illness, and her husband was simply kicked out of her job. Such was the publicity. My aunt, the kingdom of Heaven to her, a non-communist, taught Russian, she quickly understood everything and told me: "Sasha, the most corrupt part of the partocracy has seized power," but she herself did not rush to sell flowers, like Chubais, and the university, where she worked, privatize. Where was she then? Yes, she just worked at her workplace, brought benefits to others. Father, also to him the Kingdom of Heaven, worked in construction. All the workers were then given shares of the privatized trust and there was not a single worker who refused. (Then they sold all these shares back to the manager). So where were the workers then? They also worked. What, among them there were no "decent" and communists and non-communists? There were!
            These are all facts too. Therefore, we must be glad that at least such communists remained and help as much as you can, and not blame them for thoughtlessness and cowardice. You need to learn, including and on mistakes!
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 7 September 2018 10: 30
              -2
              Everything can be justified ... And when they distributed the shares, ordinary Communists did not have any questions - why are they distributing state property? Why trade in the public domain? And then they buy up for nothing, under pressure from the directorate? What is this party? What party of communists, tacitly looked at a plunder of the country? You don’t need any red flags or barricades! And this is with 20 million people of the country's party members !!!! 20 million Karl !!!
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              To help? Zyuganov? Grudinin? Is it something to help them? These hucksters will lower the country even more ... And the fact that they are crooks using the brand "communist" - I hope there is no need to explain this?
              1. militia2
                militia2 7 September 2018 11: 54
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                And your parents and / or you personally did not have then such questions - why are they distributing state property? And your family didn’t take vouchers from Chubais in principle then? Maybe you (or your parents) stormed the Kremlin, as once (for the most part non-partisan, by the way) sailors stormed the Winter Palace? I don’t think so. And you are not the only one. For example, here I am.
                Now about communism. If the priest in the altar is drunk on Easter, this does not mean and does not prove that there is no God.
                Regarding Zyuganov, etc. Yes, not Lenin! For example, he did not sit in Siberia for the happiness of the people, but he defended, like Zhirinovsky, a dissertation for the title of Doctor of Sciences (did he defend a dissertation after the Victory?)
                But society and the social system do not change instantly and only at your request! It seems to me personally that what is in his, Zyuganov’s strength, he at least somehow does something else. There are mistakes, mass!
                Do you have other communists, other people? No! Which exit? Smear them with dirt and vote against? Are you proposing to vote for fighters against corrupt officials like Colonel Zakharchenko, for a billionaire - the head of the Russian Pension Fund? Then, after all, the time will come and some regular Evlampy asked you: "What did you do, when it was still possible not to stop, but at least to slow down?" And what will you answer? "Did I scold the communists?"
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat 7 September 2018 12: 31
                  -3
                  Your excuses are ridiculous ... An organization of 20 million members simply merged the country and killed so many people in its own country, and now vote and help for it? Are you out of your mind? Do you yourself understand what you are offering? Vote for those on whose hands the blood and tears of millions of our citizens! In your opinion, it turns out the Communists and nothing to do with this disaster! And are they the same victims? ..
                  Not when my parents were not communists ... and I was not - God took!
                  1. militia2
                    militia2 7 September 2018 13: 34
                    +3
                    I got acquainted with your opinion (position). I think differently, and I wrote above: the tears and blood of our citizens did not occur because of the Communists and not under the Communists, but quite the opposite - after the Communists and because of the destruction of what was created by the Communists (and non-partisans, of course) and was created.
                    But I don’t want to argue with you, and I won’t. (There is a question where you, in my opinion, are right - a revolution is only worth something when it knows how to defend itself - V.I.L.).
                    1. Nasrat
                      Nasrat 7 September 2018 13: 48
                      +1
                      You are a very decent and well-mannered person. Ready to shake your hand. With respect! One thing I’m ready to admit for sure - in the history of mankind, the state was not better and more socially oriented than the USSR. USSR, which laid the foundations of the social directional state., Comrade Stalin.
                      See you soon!
  27. senima56
    senima56 6 September 2018 15: 43
    +1
    Why?!?!?! They themselves answered: A naive question!
  28. Sxron
    Sxron 6 September 2018 19: 30
    -2
    I have such a thought "tossing and turning" ... Those who are now going to retire and they are such a bummer, it was their generation that destroyed the USSR (many silently))) I wanted to live better .. laughing ? Let them not whine, capitalism has been in Russia for more than 25 years .. "man, man is a wolf and every man for himself"
    We handed over to the USSR (for jeans and a shuvachka), so "spin as you can" ..

    Remember this song (forbidden in the USSR, listened with aspiration quietly)))) .. It worked also including ..
    So it's too late to whine "tovaischi" ..! hi
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 7 September 2018 23: 28
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      It's hard to argue with you. I'm just one of those fascinated by perestroika. In justification, I can only say that they drew us completely different perspectives.
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  30. Declarant
    Declarant 6 September 2018 22: 58
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    what the number of ratings on the site and in the application. Pay attention to the time in the upper right corner.
  31. Slavik Ivanov
    Slavik Ivanov 7 September 2018 08: 54
    -1
    The old gnybie receives its punishment, for the fact that they used to pass by drug dealers, cringing, now let the scum work and remove the privileges from all cops the country all this time in high-profile crimes such as Alyosha Shimko "drunk boy", Kushchevka and others and these parasites and cowards live happily ever after, life has shown on the Ukrainian "Berkut" worthless bastards go to the police on their knees, who escaped from the Maidan, you see, there was no order ha ha ha !!!! And they run up to the grandmother who sells apples from the dacha without an order !!!!!!
  32. Larum
    Larum 7 September 2018 09: 19
    -3
    Ha, anyway, go vote for the UDRP on September 9th ... how not to swear
    1. Nikolay R
      Nikolay R 7 September 2018 20: 48
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      And you for the Red-bellied?
  33. Digital error
    Digital error 7 September 2018 09: 34
    +3
    Who would be interested in a press review written by the presidential administration for the period from 18.03.2018 to 29.08.2018 - put a plus.
  34. tank64rus
    tank64rus 7 September 2018 17: 48
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    According to the "old" data of Rosstat, the average life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 63,8 years. Pension 65 conclusions on the face of officials.
  35. NordUral
    NordUral 7 September 2018 23: 25
    +1
    Yes, because the president of Russia would now be Pavel Grudinin. Therefore, it was forgotten to tell us, our caring is everything.