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Japan is ready to experience the world's first "space elevator"

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The site Phys.orgdedicated to fresh science and technology news, it was reported that scientists from Japan are planning to test the "space elevator", thus becoming the pioneers in this area.


In the near future, a mini-prototype of such a "space elevator", whose length is 6 cm, width and height - 3 cm, will deliver an H-IIB rocket into orbit.

The H-IIB rocket of the Japanese space agency JAXA is a single-class middle-class carrier rocket. It can be used to launch an automatic H-II Transfer Vehicle to the orbital station, and also to transfer the payload to a geostationary or reference orbit.

The movement of the “space elevator” will be provided by the cable stretched between two satellites and controlled by cameras installed on the devices.

Successful testing of such an "elevator" will allow in the future to carry out cargo deliveries into space without the aid of rockets.

Japan is not going to stop there. So, the construction company Obayashi is already engaged in the development of a “space elevator”, which by 2050 will deliver tourists into space.

Japan is ready to experience the world's first "space elevator"


The company said that to create a cable with a length of 96 thousand kilometers, carbon nanotubes, which are more durable than steel, may be used. How these cables in the future can affect aviation movement, the company does not say.
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  1. Fedor egoist
    Fedor egoist 5 September 2018 15: 45
    +5
    Well, at least someone was puzzled by orbital elevators - the first serious step in the space expansion of mankind. Well, a hen of a grain ...
    1. another RUSICH
      another RUSICH 5 September 2018 15: 55
      +21
      Good deal.
      The main thing is that they do not burn buttons and piss)
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 5 September 2018 16: 49
        +9
        This idea was proposed back in 1959. Space tower of Pokrovsky magazine "Tekhnika Molodezhi" April 1959
        1. electrooleg
          electrooleg 5 September 2018 17: 57
          -5
          Let them not even dream. Japan is a microscopic bug in the world of the space industry.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 5 September 2018 23: 09
            +5
            The first idea of ​​a space elevator was expressed by Tsiolkovsky in 1895.
            He proposed to build a tower. He calculated the required loads and concluded that with the then materials it was impossible to build such a tower.
            Pokrovsky in 1959 (the same "Technology of Youth" for April 1959) invented how the Tsiolkovsky tower can be built from the materials then available.

            As for the practice of an elevator on ropes, people forget about the millions of debris and other space debris that humankind has spoiled in orbit. What will happen with a cable stretched with a force of many tons, when any tiny fragment touches it at space speed, there is no need to explain.
            The elevator will work at best for several days.
            1. electrooleg
              electrooleg 6 September 2018 10: 42
              0
              Quote: Shurik70
              with the then materials it’s impossible to build such a tower


              There is another interesting topic - the vacuum airship. But again, everything rests on the material winked
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 54
            0
            Quote: elektroleg
            electroOleg (Olezhishche) Yesterday, 17:57
            -5
            Let them not even dream. Japan is a microscopic bug in the world of the space industry.

            Finally did not understand who so fiercely minus. Name in "industrial" Japan at least one large enterprise owned by Japan?
            Japan's contribution to space is zero
      2. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 6 September 2018 08: 30
        +2
        Quote: another RUSICH
        Good deal.
        The main thing is that they do not burn buttons and piss)

        You won’t get our effective managers by elevators ....
        If, instead of a cable, a pipe is thrown onto Jupiter, and there the oceans of methane (liquid) ....
        Moreover, Jupiter in the sky means above, which means that methane without gravity pumps will go ......
        This is the topic ......
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 5 September 2018 15: 58
      +8
      The idea is not new ... read about it in the Technique-Youth for April 1977 ...
      Japanese idea whistled at the USSR as the copyright holder ... it would be necessary to bring a lawsuit against them and to connect ROSKOMNADZOR. smile
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 September 2018 16: 44
        -6
        Not the USSR, but Stanislav Lem, if I am not mistaken .. "Fountains of Paradise"
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 5 September 2018 17: 21
          +14
          Quote: 210ox
          Not the USSR, but Stanislav Lem, if I am not mistaken .. "Fountains of Paradise"

          The author of "Fountains of Paradise" is not Lem, but Arthur Clarke.
          Clark himself in the preface wrote that:
          The novel “Fountains, Paradise” is interesting in that it is the first (I hope) book, which is based on the invention of a Soviet engineer - the project of “space elevator”. Although the Western world first learned about this daring idea from the work of several of our oceanographers, published in the journal Science on February 11, 1966 (we now have extensive literature on this subject), it later turned out that this idea had already been developed six years earlier - on a much grander scale - by the Leningrad engineer Yu. N. Artsutanov (Komsomolskaya Pravda, 1960, July 31). It is simply amazing that this bold idea was not widely known. The first mention of her, which I saw, can be found in the album of paintings by Alexei Leonov and Sokolov “Wait for us, stars” (Moscow, “Young Guard”, 1967). One color reproduction depicts a “space elevator” in action. The signature reads: “... the satellite, as it were, would hang motionless overhead, always at one point in the sky. If you lower the cable from the satellite to the Earth’s surface, then the cable car between the Earth and the sky is ready. It is possible to build a cargo-passenger elevator "Earth - satellite - Earth". He will move without the help of rocket engines. " Although General Leonov presented me with a copy of his book at the Vienna conference "Peaceful Uses of Space" in 1968, I simply did not pay attention to this idea, although the elevator in the picture rises directly above Sri Lanka! Obviously, I decided that cosmonaut Leonov painted this picture simply by joking.
    3. Mr Credo
      Mr Credo 5 September 2018 16: 03
      +11
      The idea of ​​a space elevator has long been voiced by science fiction writers. The whole problem was in the technical support of the project. Suppose a wire with a cross section of 1 mm and a length of 96 thousand km will have such a mass that it can not withstand itself, not to mention the load. Let's see how this idea will be implemented.
      1. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist 5 September 2018 16: 10
        +14
        Quote: Mister Creed
        Suppose a wire with a cross section of 1 mm and a length of 96 thousand km will have such a mass that it can not withstand itself, not to mention the load.

        So yes, I agree. But do not forget that with increasing height, the weight decreases, plus the centrifugal force. So it makes sense to build an elevator near the equator and possibly with a "transfer station" (a stratospheric platform on balloons) at an altitude of 20-25 km.
        UPD: 96 thousand km - fierce Japanese delirium. 300-500 km is enough.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 5 September 2018 16: 32
          +14
          UPD: 96 thousand km - fierce Japanese delirium. 300-500 km is enough.

          This is not completely nonsense, it is space mechanics. At 500 km orbit, the body moves much faster than the rotation of the Earth. And only on 35 786 km do their speeds coincide.
          What does garbage do on 96 thousands, I also did not understand.
          1. Fedor egoist
            Fedor egoist 5 September 2018 16: 42
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            At 500 km orbit, the body moves much faster than the rotation of the Earth

            +
            Already googled, absorbed information on the issue :) Indeed, at an altitude of 300-500 km you cannot hang a geostationary platform) Most likely, as a result, there will be an elevator from several sections moving at different speeds at different heights. And the system of "picking up the load" from intermediate platforms. Outside the atmosphere, this is quite realizable.
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 5 September 2018 18: 44
              +2
              Arthur Clark painted everything well .. Read, it's more interesting than Google ..)
            2. Wedmak
              Wedmak 7 September 2018 08: 00
              -1
              Most likely, in the end there will be an elevator of several sections moving at different speeds at different heights.

              I'm afraid it won't work either. Speeds too high. And you just need incredible accuracy. So far we have not grown to such projects, the complexity is beyond the limits at the moment.
          2. tatarin_ru
            tatarin_ru 5 September 2018 22: 07
            0
            35 km only

            all the same, probably in meters, but not in km? 35 786 meters hi
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 7 September 2018 08: 01
              0
              No, I was not mistaken, ~ 35 thousand km. Your 35 786 meters are still within the atmosphere.
          3. Antares
            Antares 5 September 2018 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            What does garbage do on 96 thousands, I also did not understand.

            maybe the entire length of the cable, then it will be 48 thousand. Anyway, a lot ..
            However, there are projects on 35 96 and 160 thousand.
          4. S-kerrigan
            S-kerrigan 6 September 2018 08: 21
            0
            96k - this is also not nonsense, just the same cosmic mechanics .... the counterweight is called.
            They want to hang the "main platform" at 36k, and then they need an additional tensioner.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 7 September 2018 08: 07
              0
              and then you need an additional tensioner.

              And still my not to understand. This tensioner will move much slower than the platform. For cosmechanics - the larger the radius of the orbit, the slower the body moves. If you disperse it, it will fly nafig out of the system, no cables will keep it.
              IMHO, one cable and one platform is also not an option. The final option is a ring around the Earth with a hundred or two elevators to the equator. True, this megaconstruction is a matter of a very distant future.
              1. demo
                demo 7 September 2018 12: 02
                0
                The speed is not linear, but angular.
                Sit in a carousel, on chains, take a stick in your hand and go.
                The angular velocity of the shoulder is x, the brush, y, and the end of the stick is z.
                And the linear speed of the end fixed on the ground is 0.
                And the speed of a km hanging on 96000 is equal to the angular speed of rotation around its axis.
                Probably so.
                In the case of such a construction (I doubt it), the main question is what can be delivered there.
                10000 kg of additional payload per cable - this seems to be not much.
                Just a cable should be designed to be many times higher than the most durable metals and materials.
                People need a break.
                And look around.
                Nature - mother can tell a lot.
                For example a spider web.
                This is where the peak of creation is.
                The loads that it withstands, with that thickness and those materials, are fantastic.
                And the flights of spiders using their own web and suitable weather conditions?
                And the wings of a lumberjack-relict providing its owner with local antigravity, reducing the energy costs of the body.
                Thousands of examples are in front of my eyes.
                Truly! "Those who have eyes, let them not hear! Those who have ears, let them not see!"
                I’ll add from myself - those who have a brain, but they can’t think.
                And I advise you - look and find out.
      2. yehat
        yehat 5 September 2018 16: 12
        +1
        can you find out the name of titanium, on the shoulders of which a satellite is held in a geostationary orbit? simply
        it is worth considering that part of the cable will be close in behavior to this satellite
      3. Pontiffsulyvahn
        Pontiffsulyvahn 5 September 2018 16: 17
        +2
        Carbon structures will withstand. The problem is different - to achieve uniform quality of each link. If at least one is defective, the cable will break - and the lower this defective link, the more likely it is.
        1. SOF
          SOF 5 September 2018 17: 14
          +1
          Quote: PontiffSulyvahn
          the cable will break

          ... it's even scary to imagine what kind of destruction on the ground will be produced by the fallen end of the broken "cable" ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 7 September 2018 14: 51
            0
            there is a Japanese series Gundam 00 Season 2, where a drop of such a cable is drawn lol
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 5 September 2018 17: 42
          -1
          On a computer program simulate.
          1. Pontiffsulyvahn
            Pontiffsulyvahn 5 September 2018 19: 24
            -1
            Modeling is not a problem - the problem is to produce millions of links without flaws.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 5 September 2018 19: 45
              -1
              3D printers for metal and graphene to help them.
              1. Pontiffsulyvahn
                Pontiffsulyvahn 5 September 2018 21: 51
                0
                Yeah, nevertheless sofa designers are something ... maybe you’ll call a model?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 6 September 2018 00: 16
                  -1
                  Unlike some, I am a process engineer, a real designer. And about 3D printers for graphene until the year 2050, this will definitely appear, for metal they work fine now.
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 5 September 2018 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: Fedor Egoist
      Well, at least someone was puzzled by orbital elevators - the first serious step in the space expansion of mankind. Well, a hen of a grain ...


      straight from the book "The Walking Death" there the same elevators were described and, moreover, also Japanese
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 5 September 2018 16: 37
      -4
      Quote: Fedor Egoist
      Well, at least someone was puzzled by orbital elevators - the first serious step in the space expansion of mankind. Well, a hen of a grain ...

      Well done Japanese! And for us Rogozin left a trampoline ..
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 5 September 2018 17: 41
        -2
        6 centimeters long. Well done, what to say. A little more, and the length of the noodles on the ears will be 96 thousand kilometers.
        Well, you have everything as usual - Rogozin, pensions.
        1. yehat
          yehat 7 September 2018 14: 53
          0
          jokes as jokes, but the Japanese do not save on practical experiments, unlike the Russian Federation, and this gives its effect, which we can only envy.
    6. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 5 September 2018 21: 45
      +1
      Quote: Fedor Egoist
      Well, at least someone was puzzled by orbital elevators - the first serious step in the space expansion of mankind. Well, a hen of a grain ...


      I take off my hat in front of them ... to cut the "loot" with the help of a rope 96 thousand long is ... (Russian idiOMATic expression of extreme delight) wassat
      1. dSK
        dSK 6 September 2018 00: 22
        -1
        Quote: Yuyuka
        saw "loot"

        Spacecraft using solar sail.
        Soviet scientists invented a scheme of radiation-gravitational stabilization of a spacecraft based on the use of a solar sail. The first deployment of a solar sail in space was carried out on the Russian spacecraft Progress M-15 on February 24, 1993, as part of the Znamya-2 project.
        The first to use space sail as an engine was Japanese IKAROS, which is considered the first space sailing ship in history. On May 21, 2010, the Japan Space Agency (JAXA) launched the H-IIA launch vehicle, on board which were the IKAROS spacecraft with a solar sail and a meteorological device to study the atmosphere of Venus. IKAROS is equipped with a sail made of the thinnest membrane measuring 14 x 14 meters in length and width. With its help, it is supposed to study the features of the movement of vehicles with the help of sunlight. $ 16 million was spent on the creation of the apparatus. The deployment of the solar sail began on June 3, 2010, and was successfully completed on June 10. From the footage transmitted from IKAROS, we can conclude that all 196 square meters of ultra-thin canvas have been straightened successfully, and thin-film solar panels have begun to generate energy. " / wikipedia /.

        Japanese test results IKAROS on wikipedia not.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 September 2018 10: 14
          +2
          Quote from dsk
          From the footage transmitted from the IKAROS, we can conclude that all 196 square meters of ultra-thin canvas were straightened successfully, and thin-film solar panels began to generate energy. "/ Wikipedia /.

          Japanese IKAROS test results on wikipedia no.

          But the last one is key.
          1. yehat
            yehat 7 September 2018 14: 56
            0
            the more the topic is hushed up, the more interesting it is there.
            At one time, the topic of lasers in the West was hushed up, but they were shocked by the progress of the USSR in this area and refused to remain silent, but this practice remained in other topics.
    7. EXPrompt
      EXPrompt 6 September 2018 12: 06
      +2
      Expansions where sorry ...
      Even if an elevator is built tomorrow, you and I are in a perfect planet earth prison, leaned above the Van Allen belt and all die. We need to learn to fly through outer space at speeds higher than those we can now, an elevator here will not help us.
  2. sabakina
    sabakina 5 September 2018 15: 53
    -1
    The movement of the “space elevator” will be provided due to the cable stretched between the two satellites
    Bullshit. Didn’t they hear about Archimedes? "Give me a foothold and I will turn the Earth." How will the satellites in space hold the cable tension?
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 5 September 2018 16: 02
      +2
      You can tie to the moon winked
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 5 September 2018 16: 13
        0
        Suppose, what about the rotation of the moon around the earth? wink
        1. Logall
          Logall 5 September 2018 16: 50
          +2
          Slavik, there is still garbage in the fact that this cable cannot be lifted from the ground - it is heavy! Will they weave it in space? With the help of a draw?
          As if not to get into this hole ...
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 5 September 2018 17: 13
        +4
        Quote: Sadko88
        You can tie to the moon winked


        since the moon is spinning and approaching all the time, springs and bearings are needed wassat
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 5 September 2018 16: 41
      +6
      Quote: sabakina
      Bullshit. Have they not heard about Archimedes? "Give me a foothold and I will turn the Earth." How will satellites in space keep the tension on the cable?


      Centripetal force sir. Japanese are not so stupid as you think.
      Archimedes was right and the Japanese did not protizh. The foot support in this case is the grip of the cable to the ground.
      Imagine that you tied a pebble to the end of a rope, twist it.


      if by some miracle they can pull the cable with a weight, then things will go
      but it seems to me that we will see such an elevator in 100-200 years at best
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 5 September 2018 16: 54
        0
        If the Japanese aren't stupid, why aren't aliens using this technology? Yes, they pump out energy from the Sun, but obviously not with the help of the Made in Yapan cable.
      2. gurta
        gurta 5 September 2018 17: 15
        +3
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        you tied a pebble to the end of the rope, twist it, if by some miracle they can pull the rope with a weight, that’s it
        And what, and indeed, tied, pulled, thrown. Now, let's calculate the influence of wind and residual oncoming and outgoing waves on this "rope". It seems to me that the flapping of the wings of a butterfly (the bird has sat down) in this case, due to the fact that the rope is not rigid, will end with a huge oscillation of the station. What rockets should be installed at the station to extinguish this pendulum? or a vibration damper to the station, but how to anchor it? There are more questions than answers.
        1. yehat
          yehat 7 September 2018 15: 00
          0
          I am more interested in another question - let's say they will build a stable elevator, but moving goods with support on it completely breaks the fragile balance.
          I'm not talking about the huge leverage that will create the load.
          It seems to me that the key to success is combining Archimedes' law with another technology of displacement in a discharged stratosphere.
      3. Andrey Panov
        Andrey Panov 5 September 2018 22: 55
        +1
        If they can put such a stone into orbit, why do they need an elevator? By the way, no one tried to calculate the weight of a pebble?
        1. Andrey Panov
          Andrey Panov 5 September 2018 22: 56
          +1
          And the influence of the atmosphere on this rope?
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 6 September 2018 06: 03
          0
          Quote: Andrey Panov
          If they can put such a stone into orbit, why do they need an elevator? By the way, no one tried to calculate the weight of a pebble?

          The weight of the kettlebell is not necessarily huge. the calculation takes the cable dkinna, the speed of the earth's rotation and the absolute speed of the counterweight.
          In addition, the ISS also weighs quite a lot. picked up slowly and collected
          the cat remembers Newton on the site - lay out the calculation, please. interesting at
          know
        3. gurta
          gurta 6 September 2018 09: 59
          0
          Quote: Andrey Panov
          If they can put such a stone into orbit, why do they need an elevator? By the way, no one tried to calculate the weight of a pebble?

          No, the pebbles on the rocket will be raised with a rope, and then slowly lowered to the ground for how much rope is enough. laughing And there will be movement of two connected bodies in space.
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  3. sabakina
    sabakina 5 September 2018 15: 54
    +2
    The company said that to create a cable length of 96 thousand kilometers,
    One out of two. Either everything in this company is malacholny, or a little one has crept in.
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 6 September 2018 08: 29
      -1
      Third, you don’t understand anything in cosmic mechanics. At 96k they want to hang a counterweight.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 6 September 2018 10: 30
        0
        Quote: S-Kerrigan
        At 96k they want to hang a counterweight.

        Yeah, with acceleration through the center of the Earth.
        Any system with a counterweight in this case resembles a mechanical perpetual motion machine. In a word, nothing is saved.
  4. dr.star75
    dr.star75 5 September 2018 15: 55
    +2
    Japan is a great power! Here are the football players playing robots, and when it was required to fall asleep a nuclear reactor, so the infantrymen went. Well, what's the point in their development?
    1. Sadko88
      Sadko88 5 September 2018 16: 01
      +2
      They also fought among themselves for the right to go first. Hardcore national feature belay
    2. yehat
      yehat 5 September 2018 16: 14
      0
      Technology in Japan is often for show. Robotics there is highly specialized for the equipment of machine tools and manipulators. And mobile robots are just starting to be created.
      1. Hole puncher
        Hole puncher 5 September 2018 21: 11
        -2
        Quote: yehat
        Technology in Japan is often for show. Robotics there is highly specialized for the equipment of machine tools and manipulators. And mobile robots are just starting to be created.

        Admit, you do not understand a damn thing in this matter, otherwise such nonsense did not write
        1. yehat
          yehat 6 September 2018 10: 49
          0
          Well, yes, the year the Research Institute of Robotics worked, but I don’t understand a damn wink
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 6 September 2018 10: 45
        0
        Quote: yehat
        Robotics there is highly specialized for the equipment of machine tools and manipulators.

        With the robotization of machine tools, the Japanese (especially the Americans and Indians) started in Japan in 1986. With pens they do everything.
        1. yehat
          yehat 6 September 2018 10: 52
          0
          I have a different infa, I saw with my own eyes that this topic is developing in Japan, but if before they were perl in all directions, now they are very narrowly moving industrial applications and all kinds of demonstration prototypes. I will say more, in the fall of Mitsubishi I sold a new technology for manual control. So there robotics did not die.
  5. Loess
    Loess 5 September 2018 15: 57
    +2
    So, the construction company Obayashi is already engaged in the development of a “space elevator”, which by 2050 will deliver tourists to space.
    Interestingly, the travel time of such a tourist and what will he do there? Look down for 10 minutes, take a selfie and back into the elevator?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 5 September 2018 16: 39
      +4
      10 minutes ??? It’s on the 10 rocket for minutes, here, with any luck, it will take a couple of weeks. 36 thousand km ... not Khuhra-Mukhra.
  6. Doliva63
    Doliva63 5 September 2018 16: 09
    +2
    Quote: The same Lech
    The idea is not new ... read about it in the Technique-Youth for April 1977 ...
    Japanese idea whistled at the USSR as the copyright holder ... it would be necessary to bring a lawsuit against them and to connect ROSKOMNADZOR. smile

    Che-that it seems to me that in the 70s, Technique - Youth published Artie Clark's novel "Fountains of Paradise" about the space elevator drinks laughing
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 September 2018 17: 34
      +6
      Quote: Doliva63
      Che-that it seems to me that in the 70s, Technique - Youth published Artie Clark's novel "Fountains of Paradise" about the space elevator

      So in "TM" first published the novel by Clark. And then, just in No. 4 for 1977 - a scientific and technical analysis of one of the concepts of the novel.
      Here is what Clark wrote about it:
      Reading the proofs of this novel, I received from Dr. Jerome Pearson a copy of the NASA TM-75174 Technical Memorandum with a translation of G. Polyakov’s article “The Space“ Necklace of the Earth ”published in 4 by Technics - Youth magazine No. 1977.
      In this short but informative work, Dr. Polyakov (Astrakhan Pedagogical Institute) describes in precise technical details the vision of the hero of my novel Morgan about a closed ring around the globe. He sees it as a natural continuation of the “space elevator”, the construction and operation of which he interprets in the same way as I do. I salute Comrade Polyakov, and again the thought comes to me that I was too conservative. It is possible that the Orbital Tower will be the achievement of the XNUMXst, and not the XNUMXst century.
      Perhaps our grandchildren will be able to prove that sometimes the colossal is beautiful.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 00
        0
        NASA began with stratospheric exploration. In 1949-1956, figures were obtained to estimate the load. (If anyone is interested, they almost got to an altitude of 29 km. On "balloons." Test runs up to 45 km.) In fact, a system like a mechanical lift completely loses its meaning even for Mars.
        By the way, a flash of interest in superconductivity was also caused by a similar system.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 6 September 2018 16: 16
        0
        Enlightened, thanks! drinks
  7. Kerensky
    Kerensky 5 September 2018 16: 27
    +1
    There is a collection of funny problems: "Look at the root", Makovetsky. There a similar situation was considered. The curious can get acquainted.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 September 2018 17: 32
      +1
      Giggles ... EMNIP, this book looked at the situation from the point of view "after what time will such a design bring down all the satellites whose orbit falls below its upper point". smile
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 5 September 2018 16: 37
    +1
    The cable seems to have been abandoned - too unreliable. It was proposed to make sections in structure reminiscent of the Shukhov tower, several hundred meters each. And inside, already, on suspensions, to start up two "roads", one elevator car rises, the other goes down. And there can be many such cabins. I don’t remember about the speed, it seemed like the climb took about 2 weeks.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 5 September 2018 16: 57
    +4
    I remembered my youth At the University of Leningrad in 1963 at the Physics Department they considered such a model. Then we were still studying the new meaning of Newton's law "The force of action is equal to the force of reaction, but they are not manifested simultaneously."
  10. Berkut24
    Berkut24 5 September 2018 17: 11
    +1
    The company said that to create a cable length of 96 thousand kilometers, carbon nanotubes may be used

    Do the guys on the go want to build an elevator to the moon?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 September 2018 17: 44
      0
      And what is so normal, a cable stretches for a length of 370000 kilometers between the Earth and the Moon.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 6 September 2018 10: 56
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what is so normal, a cable stretches for a length of 370000 kilometers between the Earth and the Moon.

        And its lower end will drag along the earth after the moon good laughing
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 6 September 2018 14: 32
          -1
          No at the DOE will be attached to the orbital station - dock.
    2. sogdy
      sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 10
      0
      Vashcheta, the task was - the traffic of goods to the station under construction. From there comes the phrase about two satellites connected by a cable. No one is going to lift loads from the ground. But commercial carriers do not take goods into orbit strictly in order.
  11. Good fellow
    Good fellow 5 September 2018 17: 32
    +1
    There was a mention of a similar elevator design by writer Charles Sheffield in his science fiction novel Heritage Universe.
    True, the elevator connected as many as two planets: the ancient "builders" (a race a billion years older than mankind arranged experiments being at the peak of their technical capabilities) tied two planets with the "umbilical cord" Platforms went around the umbilical cord. Also, space archaeologists mention a builder's artifact, which completely braided the whole planet with pipes several kilometers in diameter, with the help of which certain cargoes were apparently brought into different orbits of the planet.
  12. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 5 September 2018 17: 39
    -1
    Can anyone explain to me the nature of this phenomenon, like a space elevator? I do not quite understand at the expense of what forces the payload will be displayed in orbit, or move between orbits.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 5 September 2018 18: 39
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Can anyone explain to me the nature of this phenomenon, like a space elevator? I do not quite understand at the expense of what forces the payload will be displayed in orbit, or move between orbits.

      At the expense of Japan! laughing
    2. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 5 September 2018 18: 47
      +2
      There was such a book, for Soviet schoolchildren, it’s just that now they aren’t published anymore - you need to build starships.
      Read, find the answers.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 5 September 2018 19: 37
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        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        There was such a book, for Soviet schoolchildren, it’s just that now they aren’t published anymore - you need to build starships.
        Read, find the answers.

        I could just as well send / send you to fairy tales about Baba Yaga on a broomstick.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 12
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
          I can send / send you to fairy tales about Baba Yaga on a broomstick

          Why so far? http://epizodyspace.ru/bibl/kolesnikov-yu/vam/01.html
    3. Kerensky
      Kerensky 5 September 2018 18: 50
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      I do not quite understand at the expense of what forces
      Primitively? Due to the rotation of the Earth. Bringing goods into orbit, we slow it down a bit.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 5 September 2018 19: 31
        -2
        Primitively - explain this to Rogozin. If you can, then please, based on a course in theoretical mechanics of higher education for mechanics.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 16
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          Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
          Primitively - explain this to Rogozin.

          Vashcheta, he is a graduate of Baumanovka. Pachimu Vicki reports only about additional education (requiring a higher profile) - this is to the authors.
          1. Vladimir Postnikov
            Vladimir Postnikov 6 September 2018 12: 02
            -1
            Rogozin is the same Baumanka graduate as you are a graduate of the philological faculty of Moscow University.
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 6 September 2018 06: 10
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
      Can anyone explain to me the nature of this phenomenon, like a space elevator? I do not quite understand at the expense of what forces the payload will be displayed in orbit, or move between orbits.


      you twist the rope with a small weight at the end, around your hand. at this time, the ant creeps along the rope from your hand towards the weight.
      This is a sky elevator diagram. the orbit is somewhere between the small weight and your hand.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 24
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        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        you twist the rope with a small weight at the end, around your hand. at this time, the ant creeps along the rope from your hand towards the weight.

        But if the "ant" is kicked without a rope, the perfect work (physical concept) will be much less.
        Again, how are you going to apply the same circular impulse to bodies on earth, which is applied - in proportion to mass - to the ant? Otherwise, it won’t go.
      2. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 6 September 2018 12: 27
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        You did not realize the question, as did the overwhelming majority of comments written here.
        The question was rather rhetorical:
        due to what forces will the payload be put into orbit

        The question is for people who are aware of the basic laws of mechanics. They do not know, but do not realize (!).
        For example, you fantasize with your example. Your ant will not crawl anywhere, especially in the direction from the center of rotation. It will fly away rather quickly, and in a tangential direction (in plan) relative to the center of rotation.
        You better take a pencil with a piece of paper, and calculate what the so-called centrifugal force acting on the body at a distance of 1000 km from the Earth’s surface as a percentage of the weight of this body (gravitational force acting on this body) will be, provided that it was possible to build this elevator.
        And yet, regarding your example, in nature there is a difference in movements along and across the action of the gravitational force.
        1. gurta
          gurta 6 September 2018 15: 08
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          Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
          He will fly away quickly enough with you,
          Let inside nano-carbon tube creeps. wink nano ant. Made in Skolkoto.
    5. Wedmak
      Wedmak 7 September 2018 08: 14
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      due to what forces will the payload be put into orbit

      The "Tros" holds the platform in geostationary orbit vnatyag due to orbital mechanics. Just because it can. What forces act on this cable, we will not discuss, it is clear that there is a lot of it. And the elevator itself climbs there stupidly clinging to the cable and crawling along it. Something like that in theory. But in practice ... questions and problems a wagon and a small cart.
  13. abc_alex
    abc_alex 5 September 2018 18: 41
    +1
    About 96 thousand kilometers is a clear typo. Look at the diagram. We are talking about 96 thousand meters. That is, they will be launched into 100 km orbit.
  14. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 5 September 2018 18: 56
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    Quote: sabakina
    How will the satellites in space hold the cable tension?

    Centrifugal force. Beyond the geostationary orbit, a body "hanging" over a point on the earth's surface will experience a centripetal force, and this rope will hold this body.
    I’m not talking about the technical side, but as an example, the moon in orbit rotates at a constant speed. In order to move it from orbit, it is necessary to accelerate it - it will begin to move away from the Earth, or slow down - to fall to the Earth.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 38
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      Quote: zulusuluz
      will experience centripetal force, and this cable will hold this body.

      Hmm. Such a smart word is "precession".
      The precession of the moon (non-geostationary) reaches 10% in all dimensions. The requirements for current geostations are even lower.
  15. Sxron
    Sxron 5 September 2018 19: 26
    +1
    The company said that to create a cable length of 96 thousand kilometers

    Something the author went too far from euphoria in front of the Japanese ... Maybe 96 km? hi
    In general, Russia seems to refuse to deliver astronauts and cargo to the ISS ..
    The Japanese will deliver the Yankees to the station ???? crying
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 6 September 2018 11: 44
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      Quote: Sxron
      The Japanese will deliver the Yankees to the station ???? crying

      Harrrosh thought.
      Lastly, it is the delivery of goods from storage depots in orbit. Apparently, their worldviewers still indicate the length of the ring around the Earth.
      Karoche, cut previously allocated funds for the project. Something seems to be drawn, but who will take it?
  16. Troll
    Troll 5 September 2018 20: 15
    +2
    >>>>> prototype ....
    which length is 6 cm, width and height - 3 cm <<<

    this is not an elevator. This is comparable to a matchbox.
  17. ork_333
    ork_333 5 September 2018 20: 32
    +2
    Quote: Troll
    >>>>> prototype ....
    which length is 6 cm, width and height - 3 cm <<<

    this is not an elevator. This is comparable to a matchbox.

    I also did not understand the size of something))
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 September 2018 22: 36
      +1
      Wow "news" ... In the US, news is regularly published on this topic, with a description of the materials and even estimates ..
      The company stated that carbon nanotubes, which are more durable than steel, may be used to create a cable with a length of 96 thousand kilometers. How these cables in the future may affect the air traffic, the company does not say.

      Not possible, but for sure, modern materials will not stand their own mass.
      The specified length of 96 thousand kilometers is quite high. Although for 160 thousand you can abandon the counterweight (the mass will be the counterweight itself)
      Common projects in 35 thousand.
      The load on the cable may exceed 100 kg / m, so that the material for its manufacture must have extremely high strength for tensile strength, and at the same time very low density. While there is no such material, even carbon nanotubes, which are now considered the most durable and elastic materials on the planet, are not suitable.
      Unfortunately, the technology for their preparation is only just beginning to be developed. So far, it has been possible to obtain tiny pieces of material: the longest nanotube that we managed to create is a couple of centimeters in length and several nanometers in width. Whether it will ever be possible to make a sufficiently long cable out of it is still unknown.
      On the moon, it’s easier to create this system.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 September 2018 00: 56
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        If you make this cable from titanium with a diameter of 30 mm and a length of 200 kilometers, its mass will be 638 tons, with 20000 kilometers - 63800 tons. With a tensile strength of 1600 MPa per millimeter squared, the cable will be guaranteed to be torn apart with a force of 3000 tons - tensile.
        1. Fedor egoist
          Fedor egoist 6 September 2018 12: 23
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          Quote: Vadim237

          If you make this cable from titanium with a diameter of 30 mm and a length of 200 kilometers, its mass will be 638 tons

          The ISS flies at an altitude of 350-400 km from the surface of the earth. Based on these calculations, it is quite possible to make a titanium cable of such a length and even lift loads on it. But this has not yet been done. Do you know why?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 6 September 2018 14: 38
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            Because the cost of such a cable will amount to more than a trillion rubles, there is no such rocket with a carrying capacity of 638 tons and the ISS itself does not hang in one place.
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 9 September 2018 14: 41
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              But they will make such a cable .. Why did the commentators take it to be titanium? .. If they don’t know something, this does not mean that science stood still ..
              In the Internet, nothing disappears and figs that you guard ..)
              It will be funny to read all these objections in a couple of decades ..)