So where did the Soyuz ship get damaged. Media on the findings of the commission of RSC Energia

The internal commission of RSC Energia voiced the preliminary findings of the investigation into the causes of the depressurization of the Soyuz spacecraft, which was discovered after it was docked with the International Space Station. RIA NewsReferring to the findings of the commission, reports that damage to the integrity of the plating of the Union was done in Korolev - in the general assembly shop.

Recall that all kinds of versions of the causes of depressurization were previously put forward. It was noted that the crack appeared during maintenance work at the Baikonur cosmodrome. According to the head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, traces of sliding of the drill were found on the casing.

A State Duma deputy (pilot-cosmonaut) Maxim Surayev said that "a psychologically unstable cosmonaut could drill a covering."

The internal commission of RSC Energia actually refutes these judgments. The material states that at this stage there is a study of the book of comments. This book is compiled for each released spacecraft by industrialists of an experimental mechanical engineering plant. It contains all the comments on how the spacecraft was tested, including at KKS (space control booth). After studying these data, it will become clear at what stage it was decided to “overlook” the emerging crack or the reason for its possible appearance.

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[aszzz888]

... and what, yesterday did not talk about this topic?! ...

[Volga073]

Why are you sitting here for a week? )))

[aszzz888]

Volga073 (MIKLE) Today, 07:04 AM NEW

... you don’t pass pigs with you ...

[Thrall]

Quote: Volga073

Why are you sitting here for a week? )))

Go drill further ...

[rotmistr60]

This situation can be described in one word - go nuts.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: rotmistr60

This situation can be described in one word - go nuts.

not ... let's better outskirts of the outskirts.

[Thrall]

In each drill, do not put a GPS tracker and an action camera on the drill. Something needs to be done with the staff.

[Vard]

Or maybe people try to pay a normal salary ...?!

[NIKN]

Quote: Vard

Or maybe people try to pay a normal salary ...?!

It’s possible if it’s people. I work in production. and such an incident is simply not permissible, well, this cannot even be at the production of meat grinders. and here

State Duma deputy (pilot-cosmonaut) Maxim Suraev

it suggests that it’s hard to roll and stop ... It’s generally specialists (technologists, 6th grade locksmiths, astronauts by nature), but not deputies from the State Duma should steer. Already EP has driven to the point that I do not believe professionals probably unanimously steer ...

[atalef]

Quote: Vard

Or maybe people try to pay a normal salary ...?!

More salary - more holes !!!!
Hit the rally on the road, sloppiness and bureaucracy !!!!

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

We have long had a crisis in the space industry with or without Rogozin, it needs to be reformed! First of all, take up staff! For RKK Energy I can say because I worked there for 5 years there dofiga lazy people and it is not clear what they are doing, students only after college or very old specialists. People get some kind of experience and leave because of low salaries. It is necessary and possible to fire all lazy people, and specialists to raise their salaries and strengthen control over production and assembly!

[seregatara1969]

it’s not necessary to do something with personnel - it is necessary to start making personnel!

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Correct you say! Undoubtedly, this also needs to be done, and these cadres need a competent leader, and set ambitious tasks for these cadres! And then all of Cosmonautics with us was curtailed before serving the ISS, and I think this is a flawed position that does not lead to degradation to any development!

[Volga073]

In RosKomos - saboteurs and adherents of the 5th column.

[igorbrsv]

. State Duma deputy (pilot-cosmonaut) Maxim Suraev said that "a psychologically unstable astronaut could drill the skin"

That's how Right in orbit

[Thrall]

Could not - State Duma deputies no longer take into space

[Boa kaa]

Quote: igorbrsv

That's how right in orbit

Yeah! Right in orbit, I suddenly wanted to breathe in a fresh cosmic vacuum - and began to drill a hole !!!

[Mountain shooter]

There is too much alcohol in production, and control has been weakened to the utmost. The walls are thin, 2-3 mm. The culture of production and discipline - is gained over decades, but is lost - in six months it is possible to "corrupt" the collective so that they begin to drive the bolts with a sledgehammer!

[Observer2014]

Mountain shooter (Eugene)

The culture of production and discipline - gained over decades, but is lost - in half a year you can "corrupt" the team so that they will start driving the bolts with a sledgehammer!

Yes, you can with a sledgehammer. If the holes on the flanges do not match very well. Only on the bolts will the thread fly off. Here they worked with a drill. Just don’t say that there were drunk workers. I won’t believe in life. Even in such a production. Here the matter is different. All versions about the space station on the ISS were drilled right there and sharply dismissed. We are probably waiting for the continuation of this story to return to Earth. Cosmonauts. And especially astronauts.

[Aleksandr21]

The saddest thing in this story is this moment: ".... the source said that a number of employees of the enterprise knew about the marriage, because even before the start, an attempt was made to seal the abnormal hole with glue .."

If a number of employees knew about the marriage, then why didn’t they report? Why did the examination miss the product? Where were the testers? The whole chain of responsibility for this incident. It is hoped that they will draw the right conclusions, and will no longer allow the repetition of such a story.

[igorbrsv]

This is just an assumption about glue.

[Aleksandr21]

The assumption was clearly not taken from scratch, especially with such details. " was largely equipped with equipment, the hole was sealed with special glue .... "although the question here is not glue at all, but how the product passed the examination. Close your eyes to the joint? Or did the inspectors not see it? Already now (after an internal investigation by RSC Energia), we can say that the jamb happened in production, and not in space or at the cosmodrome.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Aleksandr21

It is hoped that they will draw the right conclusions, and will no longer allow the repetition of such a story.

This of course is so ... BUT !!!
Remember the reaction of the American astronaut to this incident! What did he suggest? - Take your time, report back to the Earth (to the MCC), and only a day later, having received instructions, proceed to seal the 2 mm crack.
Ours quickly realized and put a patch on the hole in the naval. Air leakage has stopped. How can one not cross herself here: glory to the Almighty that he is not a descent vehicle! And that would be all nuts !!!
So what is the reason? But everything turns out to be very simple. In order not to disrupt the work schedule, the craftsman sealed the defect (still on Earth) with a sealant (apparently on an epoxy basis), and the body passed the leak test ... But in space there are other, harsh "operating conditions", including weightlessness and radiation only temperature difference. Here is the defect and crawled out. (This is all from the box)
Now, in line with the discredit of the Russians, one should expect a howl of hostile voices about the unreliability of everything connected with Roscosmos. Image losses of RSK will be obvious!
IMHO.

[Filxnumx]

a crack appeared ... traces of sliding drills were discovered.

It is a technically competent solution: to stop the development of a crack, drill its ends. And so I was taught and so taught (though it was in the Air Force). And most likely the OTC is in the know. It would be worse if they were not drilled - then no sealant will help, any crack develops cyclically to a certain limit (either stiffness or strength). And there are enough loading and unloading cycles in space (at least 16 times a day, the heating - cooling cycle, plus the loads from orbit correction, docking - undocking, etc.)

[Snail N9]

A very plausible proposal. Apparently, those who are investigating the situation have also taken this path - it was not in vain that they began to study the "book of comments".

[kolyhalovs]

But I just can’t understand why the astronauts have means in orbit that can reliably seal the hole, and they used some strange glue in the workshop, which they squeezed out as a result.

[Snail N9]

Yes, most likely hastily shut up. Probably, a crack was discovered at the last moment before sending, or even like .... Yes, maybe the glue was normal, there simply wasn’t time to fully comply with the sealing technology.

[ghby]

Quote: Fil743

a crack appeared ... traces of sliding drills were discovered.

I found only this photo on the Internet, but little is clear from it.

[Snail N9]

Well, you can see these very "traces of the drill sliding", you can see the supposedly "drilled" hole .... only it is very uneven in order to be drilled from "this side" .... at an angle, perhaps "drilled" .... in fact, this is possible in the case when, for example, the apparatus is on a stand or else where the driller had to reach the place of drilling from the floor, holding the drill at an angle, hence the initial "traces of the drill sliding" ..... Well, as an option, they did it in zero gravity, without an emphasis in such conditions, too, "slip marks" could arise ... In general, a "mystery" ...

[SSR]

Quote: ghby

Quote: Fil743

a crack appeared ... traces of sliding drills were discovered.

I found only this photo on the Internet, but little is clear from it.

Some kind of reusable slip, as if they tried to process another part directly on the surface.

[Snail N9]

Yes, there is around, everything in general, pokotsan ... We can something (some kind of "thing") there was installed in this place (some technological holes on the edge on the side) and this "thing" was "mumbled", " drilled "but did not calculate ...

[ANCIENT]

And most importantly, the ship cannot be used for its intended purpose. Yesterday I talked about this with a man who assembled the Kvant module for our Mir station in Rostov-on-Don, and so, according to him, this ship needs to be flooded, and another Soyuz is needed to evacuate or return the crew! This hole in the skin can lead to a tragedy, the crew will die along with the ship.

[Cube123]

Quote: ANCIENT

This ship must be flooded, and another Soyuz is needed to evacuate or return the crew! This hole in the skin can lead to tragedy, the crew and the ship will perish.

Do not escalate. It all depends on where the hole is. The union has three compartments. And, if the lander is not damaged, then you can descend. There is a lining that can withstand ballistic descent and, apparently, there was no drill there. The crew during the descent will remain intact. And the other two compartments burn out anyway.

[Cananecat]

They said the same was found in the cargo compartment. Is the cargo hold used for launching? No. So the defect in the case is repairable.

[nikvic46]

I don’t know how it is now, but earlier the drilling was based on templates and conductors. And before starting work,
the worker summoned the inspector, and only when the inspector gave the go-ahead did the worker start to work.
The worker could not step back from technology a single step.

[rocket757]

Previously, specialists / workers worked in good faith, and customer acceptance was a PROCESS !!!
However, my friend, a former "counter / smershevits" can tell this, oo-oo-oo.
Saboteurs and pests WERE ALWAYS! Our ANTI worked a lot better!

[Ros 56]

So we must activate them, otherwise we with these shit-thieves-thieves will soon reach the pen. And TransSib with BAM needs to be developed and expanded.

[rocket757]

The old shots are gone, now is the time of the young! And they, while, and lower class and landmarks down!
Let us remember how the Manager in a very famous Soviet film said - "OUR people don't take a taxi to the bakery !!!" - it’s like a joke, but there is a real reason.
It’s difficult, but it’s necessary to learn, otherwise ships, rockets, tanks and other things will break like that! And the documentation, inventions, technologies will float over the hill.
Our guards have a very solid, dignified history, we just need to continue it just as worthy!

[Ros 56]

You forgot the magic word - optimization, according to which the salary of the controller and not only him, smoothly flows into the pocket of the director and the owner.

[rocket757]

Such words are not enough, but the most important PROFIT!
And then talk about what? About our oligarchy, oriented somewhere, and the others rubbing near them, the same powerful ones, what can we say? No normal words can be found, but in truth they won’t be given!

[Hole puncher]

He appreciated and applauds internally!

[igorbrsv]

He would not have applauded. In the Unions the whole world flies.

[keeper03]

Banal negligence in the workplace!

[gurta]

If this had happened to the American side, those given would have already handed out awards and titles to certain employees.

[Mestny]

So far, other sofas are crying in circles for how good it was before and how bad it is now.
As yet they did not write about pensions, an omission.
I give the version - a hidden fighter with the bloody regime of the oligarchs is working on the assembly. Of course, he fiercely hates Putin and no less fiercely loves the Communist Party. He reads only the Internet, and there the revolution is already raging, there is very little left before the onset of happiness on earth - you just need to drop the regime.
And then about pensions. And so, he finally decides to secretly fight, so that he would not be ashamed of the Internet army.
Of course, all the Internet mourners also helped him a little, formed a special picture of the world, so to speak, in a single head.
So my congratulations. Your strategy is to cut the branch you are sitting on - it works.

[Revival]

You probably can also expose those who started pension reform in such a difficult time for the country. Rocking the boat causing discontent among the people, just like on purpose. They saw the branch on which they sit, right?

[Cananecat]

Does one morning bother me on the morning side? Burrs appear on the opposite side of the drilling. What is this talking about? During the installation of external equipment transferred to the drill.
Who is here with the highest technical, is this possible, or am I wrong?

[Old26]

Quote: ANCIENT

And most importantly, the ship cannot be used for its intended purpose. Yesterday I talked about this with a man who assembled the Kvant module for our Mir station in Rostov-on-Don, and so, according to him, this ship needs to be flooded, and another Soyuz is needed to evacuate or return the crew! This hole in the skin can lead to a tragedy, the crew will die along with the ship.

Dear Sergey Vitalievich! You can send your specialist (at your discretion) or
1. In a "pedestrian erotic journey" for three known letters of the Russian alphabet
or
2. Send this connoisseur to learn materiel
I understand that he is already a person of age, but stupidity to broadcast as the ultimate truth is still not worth it

This hole will not lead to any tragedy for two reasons.
REASON №1.
Unlike the well-known tragedy (the death of the Soyuz-11 crew), the cosmonauts descend to Earth not in flight tracksuits, but in SUITS. And a leak at 0,6 mmHg per hour during the descent will not lead to tragedy, because the astronauts will be isolated from the atmosphere of the descent vehicle SUITS

REASON №2
Hole found in the wall HOUSEHOLD... And "Soyuz", when descending to Earth, can be said to "break up" into three parts: household compartment, instrumentation and descent. First two BURN during the descent. The astronauts are in the descent vehicle. And whether there is a hole in the household compartment or not during the descent, they care little

Sorry, for such a detailed post, but your friend "expert" apparently is not at all in the subject

[Ros 56]

But Rogozin saw a drill in his life at least once and what traces there are from him. And what commission in space, why people make people laugh. Laughing, it seems not from the hand, but seriously taking this nonsense, do not respect yourself.

[turbris]

This raises the question of "enemies of the people", maybe Stalin was right?

[Ros 56]

Judging by our liberals, he was 100% right.

[Old26]

Quote: turbris

This raises the question of "enemies of the people", maybe Stalin was right?

You should not see the intrigues of "enemies of the people" in everything. Negligence multiplied by total or partial lack of control, perhaps something else that we do not know. And you are immediately "enemies of the people." Then it remains to write about the brilliant green on the forehead and the raster command.

[senima56]

To what have sunk! We launch "leaky" ships into space !!!! A shame! And Stalin is being blamed for his "cruelty"! And who drills holes in our spaceships? Aren't they "enemies of the people" ?! And where was the OTK looking ?! So it turns out: the drilled "to the wall", the controller - on the Kolyma, the shift supervisor - to fire, the director of the plant - to work! And that's it! The "marriage problem" at the defense industry enterprises will be solved overnight!

[Captain45]

It was noted that the crack appeared during operational work at the Baikonur Cosmodrome. According to the head of Roskosmos Dmitry Rogozin, traces of sliding drills were found on the casing. (C)
Crack and traces of drilling ...... And now, please tell the motorists - if a crack appears in the windshield, what are they doing? That's right - they take a thin drill and drill the end of the crack so that it does not creep further until the glass is replaced. So here, they decided in a simple way, what to rack their brains, enough for the flight, and there it will be seen.

[Voenoboz]

Is that a cigarette foil case, just like modern plastic cars but for millions?

[Reader 2013]

When I worked at RTI AN SSR as a locksmith in 1978, when the tapping screw broke and remained in the hole, the panel was screwed onto all the other screws, and where the hole was inserted, we simply glued the screw cap, but the truth was that they were just cabinets in which stuffed equipment.
They did not fly into space)) but the military acceptance rolled)