Manturov: Russian defense industry is ready for the construction of helicopter carriers

Russian shipbuilding enterprises are capable of building helicopter carriers and supplying them to customers, including foreign ones, if they have a corresponding interest. RIA News message of the Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.

Earlier, in August, Manturov reported that instead of helicopter carriers, Russian enterprises would build universal landing ships capable of carrying helicopters on board. In turn, the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, said that for the Russian fleet an expedition ship will be built.

At the request of the journalist to clarify this question Manturov asked not to catch a word. He noted that military terminology is complex and multifaceted, both in the Ministry of Defense itself and in the manufacturer, which always adapts to the requirements of the customer. Therefore, it is better for journalists to get an answer to this question from the main customer, the industry minister added.

I can only say that we can definitely build helicopter carriers and deliver them to customers, including foreign ones, who will be interested in this, concluded Manturov.

Recall that in 2011, Russia signed a contract with France for the supply of two Mistral-type helicopter carriers, but later, in 2015, the French government refused to transfer ships to the customer due to anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the European Union and the United States. The contract has been terminated.

In May of this year, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov (now Deputy Prime Minister) told reporters that the first Russian helicopter carrier will appear around the year of 2022.

Comments

[Hole puncher]

Well, as always, a lot of plans ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Manturov: Russian defense industry is ready for the construction of helicopter carriers

and aircraft carriers nobody needs? fast, inexpensive. (sarcasm, if cho) well, spied on the French how to do quickly (with modules), you need to use knowledge, build, sell, even though people will have work.

[cniza]

I can only say that we can definitely build helicopter carriers and deliver them to customers, including foreign ones, who will be interested in this, concluded Manturov.

So do it, and then boast ...

[For example]

So order and do it.
Or is it necessary to build only so that someone writes comments on sites?

According to the principle: "Why build a helicopter carrier?"

Announce the entire list of your "why".
What should be done to make you knock on the keyboard more fun.
What do you have to click on batch? And be sure to indicate the number.

Type SU-57 - 5 thousand pieces, T-14 12 thousand pieces, helicopter carriers - 34 pieces, aircraft carriers - 12 pieces, fly to the Moon - 132 times, to Mars 133 times. Implement everything IMMEDIATELY, that would be by the end of the month!

Maybe the American president sees your list and then decides to dissolve the United States as an failed state.

[maxim947]

It is necessary to close the head of the USC and the representative of the Navy in Manturov’s room and not let them out until they form a unified approach to what and how much to build.

[For example]

Quote: maxim947

It’s necessary to close Manturov’s room ...

Brilliantly !!!

[ver_]

... it will be even more ingenious if you remove the toilet and the fridge with provisions ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: maxim947

It is necessary to close the head of the USC and the representative of the Navy in Manturov’s room and not let them out until they form a unified approach to what and how much to build.

Then it's better in the cell.

[bk316]

It is necessary to close in the room of Manturov, the head of the USC and the representative of the Navy

The idea is good, but I’m afraid that they won’t understand the three ...

[sleeve]

132 and 133 Is this one way? and I know where to recruit the crew ...

[Leeds]

And what about the contract for the sale of K-52K to Egypt for the Mistral? Something I missed. We seem to have celebrated this event two or three times here.

[For example]

Quote: Leeds

here two or three times have already celebrated this event.

You yourself answered your own question. Already twice celebrated. The topic is closed.
Need a fresh reason for the holiday! Innovative!

[ancestors from Don]

All these aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers are a waste of money, including for expensive services, and besides, they are an excellent target that cannot protect itself. The emphasis in equipping the Navy should be placed on the relatively inexpensive ships of small tonnage equipped with cruise missiles, mainly hypersonic, and the submarines should be improved.

[210ox]

Jedi, about the insecurity of aircraft carriers you are in vain .... Try to get to the AUG ... But in the same States it is all set up. And we will build one frigate until it turns blue ..

[bouncyhunter]

Hello Dima ! There was somehow an "authoritative" opinion that Russia didn’t need aircraft carriers and other helicopter carriers, but it was necessary to focus on "aircraft carrier killers."

[cniza]

Good time to all! , aircraft carriers this is the 20th century, now they need to develop a different concept, given the rapidly changing capabilities, both weapons and carriers.

[bouncyhunter]

Victor, hi! I agree with you: the changing concept of warfare requires the development of new approaches and the search for new solutions. I have no doubt that the strategists at the General Staff understand this and are working in this direction.

[cniza]

Of course, these are not questions of our level, I hope people in positions understand this much better than we do.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: cniza

I hope people in positions understand this much better than us

I also hope otherwise they would change places.

[For example]

Quote: bouncyhunter

There was somehow an "authoritative" opinion that Russia didn't need aircraft carriers and other helicopter carriers ...

Quote: cniza

aircraft carriers this is the 20th century, now they need to develop a different concept ...

Quote: bouncyhunter

Victor, hi! hi I agree with you ...

Pasha changed his shoes on the fly.

[bouncyhunter]

Do not smack nonsense - it hurts. Nowhere have I changed my shoes, but taking words out of context is a pure West.

[For example]

Of course out of context pulled.
You are not in the kitchen. You write to be read.
First you put quotation marks

Quote: bouncyhunter

There was somehow an "authoritative" opinion that Russia doesn't need aircraft carriers and other helicopter carriers

thereby declaring the need for aircraft carriers, and then agree that aircraft carriers are a thing of the past.
This is called pereobulsya on the fly.

I did not write about the real change of slippers on your feet. Can you talk about it?

You just have a different opinion. Quickly. So what's wrong with that?

And you're talking about nonsense that hurts.

[pvv113]

Quote: bouncyhunter

take words out of context - pure West

Or - smells like trollin!
Hello Pasha!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: For example

You just have a different opinion. Quickly.

Especially for you I’ll explain: yes, I believe that aircraft carriers in their current form are the last century. But I do not agree that they are not needed. They need to be included in the concept of modernity, and not excluded as the same battleships, for example. So throw you turn upside down - it does not do you honor. However, it is not for me to judge: he who knows how to read will understand everything himself.

[bk316]

Yes, I believe that aircraft carriers in their current form are the last century

Greetings Paul!
I once recently talked with a man who used to study various American sources as a hobby, and he said an interesting idea about aircraft carriers. The US military themselves consider the AUGs not sufficiently resilient in the conduct of hostilities with a more or less powerful enemy. This is due to the fact that ONE anti-ship missile system is enough to make all the wing wings incapacitated. After this, it is clear that the entire AUG is at risk of destruction. Therefore, at least 3 AUGs must participate in the operation. The probability of successful hits in all 3 aircraft carriers is negligible.
Only they do not take into account: it is insignificant IF RCC DOESN'T MISS.

[NIKN]

Quote: bouncyhunter

the changing concept of warfare requires new approaches

Namely, we will need aircraft carriers if we have a strategy to seize the USA but since everything is going to ensure that in the near future (as scientists say) the USA will disappear from their effective activity), then they themselves will surrender to us on their aircraft carriers and aircraft carriers oh how they are needed, they will be used as ocean trams for transporting people to Siberia for survival ... And the free Far Eastern hectare for them in price will fly up oh oh .. you should probably take while they give

[bouncyhunter]

Funny forecast! For mattresses - in quotation marks, though ...

[For example]

A hectare needs to be taken. The price will really skyrocket. Only demand put something to do on this hectare. Otherwise, they’ll take it in the ass.
It’s interesting, if you put a hut in it, a table on it, a computer on the table and write comments in topvar ...
Does it scan like an activity? Maybe they will not take my property?
I was so imbued that I already consider the hectare not received as my property.
According to forecasts ...
talking heads on TVs and on the radio report that the EU is bending. Like, soon the cranks will come. Negroes will populate Europe. Where can the Germans go? I think these will break into Siberia.
You need to take a hectare !!!

[Serg65]

Quote: cniza

aircraft carriers are the 20 century, now they must develop a different concept, given the rapidly changing capabilities, both weapons and carriers.

Oh Victor, this past century will still kick the fifth beloved of many lost sheep!
Приветствуем!

[SOF]

Quote: cniza

aircraft carriers this is the 20th century, now we need to develop a different concept

.... while there are oceans on planet Earth that separate potential theaters of operations, aircraft carriers can’t do without ....
.... without any change of concept, whatever it was ....

[Serg65]

Hello Pasha!

Quote: bouncyhunter

there was an "authoritative" opinion that Russia didn’t need aircraft carriers and other helicopter carriers, but it was necessary to focus on "aircraft carrier killers"

Very wrong opinion!

[bouncyhunter]

Hello Seryoga!

Quote: Serg65

Very wrong opinion

So that's why I took his authority in quotation marks. But you must admit: do you need to fit ships of this kind into tasks that correspond to reality and accordingly change the tactics of their application?

[Serg65]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Do you need to enter ships of this kind in the tasks that correspond to reality and, accordingly, change the tactics of their application?

I agree Pash, the tactics of their application in the Navy of the USSR-RF have long been developed and the realities of these tasks do not change!

[210ox]

Pash, good afternoon. This "authoritative" opinion repeats the old Soviet doctrine of the 60s, when in fact we did not have carrier-based aircraft yet, only helicopters began to be accepted into service. Recalled in the late 70s, early 80s ...

[Private SA]

I respect your opinion, but I don’t understand why it is necessary to approach AUG? For this, rockets were invented, including the "dagger". Although, as history shows, back in the 80s ours managed to fly over the decks of aircraft carriers. I think over the years this skill has not passed / disappeared :)

[Serg65]

Quote: Private

ours in 80 years managed to fly over the decks of aircraft carriers.

During the battle?

Quote: Private

I do not understand why it is necessary to get close to AUG? For this, rockets were invented, including the "dagger"

My friend, judging by how you served in the SA, you should know that, for every smart missile, there will be ........ a woodpecker!

[Don]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

All these aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers are a waste of money, including for expensive services, and besides, they are an excellent target that cannot protect itself

Oh how! The Americans seem to be unaware of this, everyone is building and building new aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, expedition ships, etc. China has already begun to actively build the same "big targets". But we are not like everyone else, we have a special path. Only the price of such a path, as the history of the Soviet Navy has shown, was even higher than the classic, American one, because had to contain in space a constellation of tracking satellites and, separately, a constellation of long-range anti-ship missile guidance satellites.

[notingem]

The fact is that the Chinese and Americans know what they are building for. And ours go in languages ​​in the right direction. But for the money

[Serg65]

Quote: notingem

the fact is that the Chinese and Americans know what they are building for. And ours go in languages ​​in the right direction.

My friend Andrei from Nottingham, the fleet’s need for AB was still voiced by Kuznetsov in the distant 40's, in the 60's Gorshkov confirmed this need, since then little has changed in naval tactics!

[notingem]

Kuznetsov and Gorshkov were rooting for our fleet and therefore remained in history and memory. Rather, modern managers, business executives, their lot is oblivion, but they agree

[Serg65]

Quote: notingem

Most likely business managers

Do you know the Queen personally?

[notingem]

And you probably personally knew Nelson

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Serg65

since then, little has changed in naval tactics!

Sergey, hello!
That is, you, naval man, claim that since the time of S.G. Gorshkova The main headquarters of the Navy and all the research institutes around it have contributed nothing to the operational art and tactics of the naval forces !? Even after the appearance of KRBD on underwater carriers? MDKVP? deep-sea "objects", carrier-based aircraft, etc.
In my opinion this is a rash statement. It’s worth at least recalling the anti-avianos divisions of atomic carriers in the SF and Pacific Fleet ... And what about the tactics of developing the success of SSBNs after striking an anti-ship missile? and this is only a fraction of the fact that sclerosis has not forgotten yet ...
("Not everything is as bad as it really is" is a pearl from one performance of the unforgettable V.I.Zub)

[Serg65]

Welcome Sasha!

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

o there you are, a naval man., claim that since the time of S.G. Gorshkova The main headquarters of the Navy and all about it research institutes did not contribute anything to the operational art and tactics of the birth of the forces of the Navy !?

Sasha, what are you really! I affirm that the basics of applying AUG have not changed much over the years!

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

It’s worth at least to recall the anti-avianos divisions of atomic carriers in the SF and Pacific Fleet

Sash, I was honestly not talking about the submarine fleet, although you yourself know very well that our submariners got it with interest ..... in peacetime! Surface fleet ..... Sash, well, putting your hand on your heart .... at hour "H" from the tracking mode if you had time (lucky), zhahnuli, and then what? The USSR had a large OCEAN FLEET, which was based on ships of the 50-60s !!! Starting in the 60s, Gorshkov quietly began to form the Soviet AUG, the escort ships in the form of 1144 were the first to appear, 1199 was supposed to follow him, and 11437 became the culmination.
"There is nothing permanent in this world but impermanence"
J. Swift

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Donskoy

it was necessary to maintain in space a constellation of tracking satellites and, separately, a constellation of long-range RCC guidance satellites.

I seem to have served in the navy, but I don’t remember something about the "grouping of anti-ship missile guidance satellites" ... Maybe they got excited and messed up something? And if not, then, plz !, at least scratch the name of the system ... maybe sclerosis will remember the "past".
Yours faithfully,

[Serg65]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

may the sclerosis remember the "past".

Meant MKRTs "Legend"

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Serg65

Meant MKRTs "Legend"

Serezha, thanks for the reminder.
But 17K114 only IMMEDIATED PLARKs on the AUG, but "did not give out CU" - data for the use of weapons (EDC - current location, course, target speed, place of the main target in the order). And these are different things.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

All these aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers are a waste of money, including for expensive services, and besides, they are an excellent target that cannot protect itself.

"fire up the office" ... don't bother selling! (we definitely don't need them)

[Teberii]

Grabbing at once, building nothing.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Teberii

Grabbing at once, building nothing.

gee ... reminded:

[KLV2018]

Quote: Puncher

Well, as always, a lot of plans ...

Tryndet, do not toss the bags.

[Romario_Argo]

fodder parts to the Mistrals, built at the same Baltic plant. Therefore, it is not correct to say that we are ready to build helicopter carriers. And then like we built but were not ready or something (?)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Romario_Argo

. And then like we built but were not ready or something (?)

exactly. French technology and spotted. (Gesheft is not weak came out of the French, they flew in a deal, their stupidity).

[Serg65]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

technology from the French and spotted

Yurich, the whole history of Russian shipbuilding is peeped out alien technologies, starting with Peter the Great!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

technology from the French and spotted

Yurich, the whole history of Russian shipbuilding is peeped out alien technologies, starting with Peter the Great!

no doubt. the question of who built what for. Peter, with all his "minuses", still "drowned" for the Power, and "the sovereign built" the fleet and "cut" the borders. now, of course, the borders are under nuclear weapons, but the Navy remains a symbol of the country, its might. IMHO.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Serg65

the whole history of Russian shipbuilding is peeped out alien technologies, starting with Peter the Great!

Serge, AKSTIS !!!
Especially in underwater shipbuilding and ekranoplanes, as well as in anti-ship missiles and mine weapons ...

[Serg65]

Sasha that you are aggressive today!
Sash, the Soviet construction of submarines essentially began with the L-55, the most famous Soviet submarines of the Second World War - the "C" series, this series was a German project of the IvS company. The most numerous series of post-war submarines of pr.613, better known as "Whiskey" - an exact copy of the captured German U-250 series VIIC!

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

as well as in RCC

Sash, the ancestor of the Soviet anti-ship missiles, is not sad to say, the captured German V-1 projectile.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

mine weapons.

But mine weapons, Sash, this is really our hobby .... yes, I do not argue here !!!!

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

ekranoplana,

Although I am very negative about the combat capabilities of these Pepelats, but yes ...... and in this regard we are the first to be a fact!

[ver_]

... one could spy and in South Korea there are giants built there God knows from what time ..

[seos]

A foreign customer doesn’t need a “trough for a billion”, they can buy it 3 times cheaper in developed countries ...
And its own industry is definitely ready, only lapuhs in the mines of defense are left to sprinkle ....
PS: The estimated cost of the Priboy UDC is more than $ 1 billion, the same UDC built in South Korea this year cost $ 250 m.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: seos

A foreign customer doesn’t need a “trough for a billion”, they can buy it three times cheaper in developed countries.

sorry ... from which "developed" countries can you buy cheaper?

[Romario_Argo]

the cost of the Priboy UDC is more than $ 1 billion, the same UDC built in South Korea this year cost $ 250 m.

TASS: about 40 billion rubles, at the current rate it is about 600 million $
but with weapons: 6 ZRPK Pantsir-M with a range of missiles to 40 km. PTZ Package-NK, AK-190, BIUS, ZG radar, most likely at least 8 aircrafts x 8 = 64 SAM 9M962 SAM Redoubt with a range of 150 km.
[media = http: //tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4376951]

[Snail N9]

"We can - we can not", "we - we will not" and other verbal "tra-la-la" ... when to say "there is nothing" .... there, one unfortunate "Gren" was built for how many years ... ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Snail N9

"We can - we can not", "we - we will not" and other verbal "tra-la-la" ... when to say "there is nothing" .... there, one unfortunate "Gren" was built for how many years ... ...

"Ivan" -happy, it-completed.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Snail N9

there, one unfortunate "Gren" for how many years they have been building ...

there was a problem in the MO, because they themselves did not know what they needed and the project was finalized ... once again during the construction, plus subcontractors whose horse was still lying around then ...

Quote: seos

the same UDC built this year in South Korea cost 250 m. $

at the same time, I believe that the Doc Do type is one of the best UDC concepts in the world.

[faiver]

again shout gop before the jump ...

[asiat_61]

Why do we need this barn? Where are we going to fly around? Should he be protected as an aircraft carrier?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: asiat_61

Why do we need this barn? Where are we going to fly around? Should he be protected as an aircraft carrier?

so ... sell ...

[asiat_61]

so, to whom? Queues for them seem to be gone.

[Victor_B]

I understand the fleet quite well, but I don’t have my own opinion why we need such steamboats as aircraft carriers and such hefty paratroopers.
No, they certainly will not be superfluous! But! just indicate to me in our DEFENSE doctrine their place and tasks.
Where will you "project power"?
To the USA and Europe?
In the chernozadia? What kind? Announce the list.
Well, would our AUG "drive up" to Syria yesterday, and even bomb with a couple of mistrals and barmaleev?
Marines to land?
Our air group is "cut" regularly. As unnecessary (high cost), they will soon turn into negative numbers.
Such a naval force will cost as much as all today's surface forces, which you can at least triple for this money, quadruple.

[Ros 56]

Well, firstly, no one has a clue why your Canada helicopter carriers, the question is not addressed. And we would find use for them.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Victor_B

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I'm pretty good with the fleet

already lured ...

Quote: Victor_B

but i have no opinion

even more lured ..

Quote: Victor_B

why do we need such steamboats as aircraft carriers and such hefty paratroopers.

carrier-based aviation is needed by the submarine fleet a priori. this time, about "paratroopers" is a separate topic, here I can agree, the doctrine does not provide for invasion anywhere, and these "docks" are only a burden for the country. I agree.

Quote: Victor_B

Our air group is "cut" regularly. As unnecessary (high cost),

I don’t agree. They cut it, because how can I deal with less, why keep the rest?

Quote: Victor_B

Well, would our AUG "drive up" to Syria yesterday, and even bomb with a couple of mistrals and barmaleev?
Marines to land?

"fantasy" in a separate topic. but in general, if there was our AUG, then there would be no BP attacks like on Khmeimim, I also, I confess, did not consider the need for an aircraft carrier fleet earlier, but over time I saw the need. Syria has nothing to do with it, my friend in VO, UDAV KAA, argued that air support is necessary for the PF (submarine fleet), so that's it.

[Victor_B]

I understand perfectly that doctrine is letters on paper. But these letters FOR YEARS Ahead determine the structure of the armed forces and the priority areas of R&D and industry. These structural shifts or changes in direction are VERY inert and costly.
Periodically voiced plans for the construction of aircraft carriers, but in the DOCTRINE there are no tasks for them!
Not formulated and delivered.
We need a lot of money for this. And I'm not a liberal even once! "Pioneers and pensioners have nothing to eat !!!" This is not for me. If I were on any TV show, I would disdain to sit on the bench with our "liberals".
I, personally, I have a thought and "I think it."
Just tell me where our AUG will go (this is a dozen ships and koi submarines also need to be built) and where and whom will it start bombing?
To simplify the discussion, I propose to consider that right now we ALREADY have 2 Mistrals and 1 AB (the real one, not Kuzya).
Somewhere on the Gamble there is a magnificent analysis of the same spherical horse in the form of the island of Cyprus transferred to the Indian Ocean, an American ASG attack on it (1 pc) and the island’s defense of our air defense according to the full echelon program. Such a command and staff game in which the military clearly took part. (As you can understand, not all former).
I am an air defense officer and yet we did not miss a single anti-aircraft gun to the protected object. (Well, I'm not a member)

[Victor_B]

Well?
I am the commander of our AUG in the composition of AV "Storm", SRT "Petya", KR "Vladivostok", 2 Mistral, well, in order not to get up 2 times, let's just say - ENOUGH other ships, submarines and supply vessels.
Set me a task!

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

Set me a task!

Yes, like two fingers on the asphalt !!
First finger! You need to deploy the SSBN in the Barents Sea! Expand!
Second finger! Secure the coastal flank of the 14 Army Corps along the Skarsfjord-Tromso line!
It is not strange that the third finger is drawn as well! Get our MAPLs to the North Atlantic!
For everything about everything 5 days, report on the execution!

[Victor_B]

I report!
Your order has been executed ahead of schedule!
Without involving the aforementioned STRONGLY huge squadron. For for this she is unnecessary. :)
From the word - in general!

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

I report!

I need clarification on the points! How and by what means have these three tasks been completed ???

[Victor_B]

I clarify.
Are we fighting NATO?
Do you use core loaves?
Or are we in Norway on an excursion to AB gathered?

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

Are we fighting NATO?

With NATO!

Quote: Victor_B

Do you use core loaves?

Kernel-loaf is the last argument of the kings and no one will immediately launch this argument! And to keep your hand on the button, you need to disperse the SSBN as well!

Quote: Victor_B

Are we going to Norway on an excursion to AB?

It is possible to call a VictOr DB in the Arctic a tour, but I’m afraid that the 14 corps without the air cover due to the distance from their airfields will be difficult to prove that this is just an excursion!
But you did not bother to tell how you managed to bend all three of my fingers !!!!!

[Victor_B]

I am the commander of the AUG, to which, for some reason, I myself attached 2 UDCs with two regiments of marine corps on board.
How much one airborne regiment can do on the example of Grozny, we have already passed.
Strategists quickly and famously hid in the White Sea and under the drifting ice of the Arctic Ocean, which with their wild rattle greatly interfere with them.
They will not hide under the bottom of AB.
I (according to your order) move "around the corner" and, about a day later, go to the bottom.
With my entire squadron, I cannot, without the use of nuclear weapons (and even earlier), reflect the almost unlimited capabilities of NATO ground aviation, being within their radius.

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

I am the commander of the AUG, to which, for some reason, I myself attached the 2 UDC

That's for sure, you really hooked a lot of strange things to yourself .... to take at least the KR Vladivostok, what kind of beast is this?

Quote: Victor_B

Strategists quickly and famously hid in the White Sea and under drifting ice

Well who gave them so famously hid? You ordered Sivulfa and Virginia to return to base?

Quote: Victor_B

With my entire squadron, I cannot, without using nuclear weapons (and using them even earlier), reflect the almost unlimited capabilities of NATO coastal aviation

In the area where the Motherland sent you in my person, the capabilities of NATO coastal aviation are just limited!

Quote: Victor_B

I (according to your order) move "around the corner" and, about a day later, go to the bottom.

Well, what for I need you as an AUG commander ??? You have a gorgeous cover, and from the very thought of NATO aviation you are ready to open kingstons!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Victor_B

Periodically voiced plans for the construction of aircraft carriers, but in the DOCTRINE there are no tasks for them!

That is, you want to say that the doctrine does not have the task of protecting the territory of the Russian Federation !? Well, my friend, you can’t read documents! Apparently you have a persistent stereotype that AVU is only for attacks on the business center and work on popuars.
For ams, AVM is a reserve of strategic nuclear forces. We have a force that gives combat stability to naval formations when repelling attacks by naval forces, conducting overseas naval battles with enemy ships, providing air defense / anti-aircraft defense when deploying an air defense squadron, anti-aircraft missile system, and this also protects combat patrol areas from the NK and Av anti-aircraft adversary base.
And besides, carrier-based aircraft will very effectively make "holes" in the mobile ship missile defense areas in the directions of our ICBMs breaking through to targets on the American continent. You may have forgotten that Berks (4 units) with Aegis and SM-3 are already on alert in Rota (Spain). And about a dozen will be deployed in the Norwegian Sea during the threatened period. And there will be about 56 of them with missile defense missiles.
And who will solve the task of providing an air corridor over the waters of the open sea (world ocean) for the passage of our YES? The pope And it’s simple, the air defense / missile defense of ships beyond the range of coastal aviation during the defeat of the KON / DesO Yankees, too, except for the AVM, there is no one to provide. Yes, and the departure of our surface-to-air missile systems after an impact (redeployment) also needs to be ensured from attacks by an adversary’s anti-aircraft defense. So, enough work. And there are plans for the construction of AVMA. But it will begin after the re-equipment of the Strategic Missile Forces with new products. Do not pull all at once. The Navy Supreme convincingly explained this. There were no objections.
This is not much that the OSCE has whispered to me. Somehow, however.

[Serg65]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Somehow, however.

Superb Sash
Well, for those who are at sea

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Serg65

Well, for those who are at sea

Be healthy, Friend!

[bk316]

Good afternoon, Alexander.
I do not presume to judge about "over-the-horizon surface battles"
BUT overcoming missile defense for "corridors for ICBMs" does not stand up to criticism. In our doctrine, there is no preemptive strike by strategic nuclear forces, and in the event of a retaliatory strike, no one will have time to complete any corridor, besides, in this case, the first strike will be delivered to our AUG, if they hang out next to the berks. And finally, if we rivet AUG for insane money to overcome the missile defense, it will simply be transferred to land.
As for the cover of our strategists, it seems that the General Staff also decided not in your favor by choosing the option of deploying them not in the Atlantic but in the Arctic with appropriate air support from new bases in the far north.
And finally, my personal opinion about the "over-the-horizon battles of the AUG" space target designation system with the corresponding ballistic means in production is much cheaper than 10 AUG. And in operation it is cheaper by orders of magnitude.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bk316

overcoming missile defense for "corridors for ICBMs" does not stand up to scrutiny.

I greet you, Vladimir!
There are at least 6 options for the beginning of the IJV, incl. during the escalation of conventional armed conflict. And such a possibility is being considered. And the likelihood of its origin at sea is very high, because here you can face your counterpart "boron on board" - in the literal sense of the word.
Therefore, the task of providing the Strategic Missile Forces / rpkSN database is one of the most urgent tasks of the fleet, both underwater and surface, and of course the MPA.

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

I'm pretty good with the fleet

I apologize, and how are you to the fleet?

Quote: Victor_B

just indicate to me in our DEFENSE doctrine their place and tasks

And why then write that you understand the fleet ???

[Victor_B]

It’s just that the phrase turned out to be some kind of kutsey.
And where did I say that I am well versed in tactics and, especially, strategies for using fleet forces.
Show me at least one sofa strategist (whom I am) who graduated from the Academy of Sofa Headquarters!
And what if we did not finish the academies, so we have no right to speak?
Here you can clearly see the SPECIALIST (we assume that it is not a sofa) correct me, dumb and dumb.
And I, as you understand, will draw up intelligence reports to the headquarters of something Canadian there. Probably the Canadian Mounted Police. (This is actually our money FSB-yka)

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

It’s just that the phrase turned out to be some kind of kutsey.

Well it is clear...

Quote: Victor_B

I am air defense

Well, I hope this is true?

[Victor_B]

VUS-0306 (seem) The commander of the platoon radar.
The last position in the partisan detachment is the ZNS of the division. The cannon. Anti-aircraft They even shot at the firing range. (proudly!) However, a major position! Here!

[Serg65]

Well this time, comrade ...

Quote: Victor_B

ZNS division

Share the secret of what missile outfit is required to destroy one fighter-bomber?

[Victor_B]

Have you seen the KS-19 gun?
I do not know the rate of consumption of anti-aircraft shells of 100 mm.
But it can shoot at tanks! Here!

[Victor_B]

Well, 2's missiles are enough to destroy a single IS.
Well, it also depends on the parameter. Strong.

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, 2's missiles are enough to destroy a single IS.

Uh-huh, on the training ground and without opposition! But in combat conditions? Moreover, with the use of "shrikes" by the enemy in the form of AMG-88?
In Vietnam, to shoot down one phantom, on average, the 3,5 V-750B missile was required, which was almost firing range (at the initial stage, there was almost no reaction)

[Victor_B]

Well, the norm is the norm!
From the S-60 per minute (it seems) with the trunks turned away, the helicopter’s target, if it didn’t hit the first shell, the score is reduced.
Well, let them tell me how many helicopters they shot down!

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

Have you seen the KS-19 gun?

I saw and even sat in the gunner’s chair KS-19 used to be widely used in BRAV and was the main tool for mobile coastal batteries.
Here!

[Victor_B]

And I prepared 350 shells for them at the training ground.
How lousy plugs from shells get out!
I did not sit in a chair. This is not a royal affair! I mean, I didn’t shoot. Itself.

[Victor_B]

My browser glitched and comments ran down.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Victor_B

I am well versed in tactics and, especially, strategies for using fleet forces.

"Don't tell my hooves!" (from).
Sir, if you are not able to see even the tasks of the AVM in a naval battle ... "WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU, TANKIST !?"
Therefore, train on computer games "marine you are our STRATEGIUS!"

[Ros 56]

And for starters, to build at least one yourself, is it weak? Oh my god, what kind of fools they rule the country.

[pafegosoff]

A hint of the President, who bred Serdyukov?

[Ros 56]

Notice, I didn’t say this, I am talking about capitalist ministers.

[Serg65]

Quote: Ros 56

Oh my god, what kind of fools they rule the country.

You are definitely not enough there!

[Ros 56]

Never eager, always worked for the soul. Here I am so crazy.

[Serg65]

Quote: Ros 56

Never torn

Well, for that you know how !!!

[Corsair0304]

Do we need helicopter carriers in the present tense? Have an understanding of where they will be applied? We would now update the composition of the guard corvettes-frigates, and the cruiser didn’t interfere, probably ...

[pafegosoff]

Half of the Mistral was made in St. Petersburg. Technologies have been worked out, diagrams and drawings, equipment have remained.
Would there be money, but free shipyards ...

[rotmistr60]

Manturov asked not to catch the word

So maybe it’s easier not to scatter words? Yes, and it's time to decide, otherwise one says one thing, the other two, the third refutes what was said by the previous ones.

[Alexey-74]

It’s time to move from words to deeds ........ plans are always good, but in practice ...

[spektr9]

We refuse, then no, everyone can’t decide

[Maalkavianin]

Hmm ... Well, why not do something different? For example, from a classic UDC to make an air defense ship with helicopters. The size of the UDC allows you to shove a lot of serious stuff. In my opinion, this is a good idea when you consider that everyone now has rockets. It will be the very control ship that will reliably cover aircraft missiles.

[aristok]

Manturov: Ready for a drink !!!

[Snail N9]

What do you want? As he said, in all seriousness, one gentleman, justifying the constant increase in salaries for this category of the population: "State officials are also" people "who, too, dream of prosperity and therefore, they need an increased material interest in order to more efficiently fulfill their duties."

[Chicha squad]

What would it appear in 2022, it had to be laid 5 years ago.

[Tektor]

They have been waiting for the promised 3 years. How long? The Mistral was studied along and across .. It’s time to give birth to a toothy and protected UDC: a command center for naval and amphibious operations, capable of over-the-horizon landing to the airborne battalion with a standard set of military equipment, and having up to 16 support helicopters. Also having a hospital for a hundred beds and several anti-plague biological protection boxes. KMK

[Samara_63]

As now, it is precisely the Mistral that we lack
Regarding our Fatherland, it is annoying that we do not know how to do engines ...

[Apollo]

This is an empty rhetoric, which was huge from Manturov in recent years. Nothing will happen. Cruiser Moscow 3 year stands abandoned in Sevastopol in anticipation of repairs. There is only one problem - no money. And then someone was going to build a helicopter carrier ...

[Serg65]

Quote: Apollo

racer Moscow 3 year stands abandoned in Sevastopol

Straight thrown?

[novel66]

maybe crookedly abandoned, where are the hikes?

[Serg65]

Quote: novel xnumx

hiking where?

Hiking there!

Quote: novel xnumx

maybe crookedly thrown

Roma, et only in aviation are crookedly throwing!

[Victor_B]

Serg65,

That's for sure, you really hooked a lot of strange things to yourself .... to take at least the KR Vladivostok, what kind of beast is this?

This is the same as "Ustinov" and "Moscow".
Well, from Vladivostok I ... Hometown. How not to cheer.

Well who gave them so famously hid? You ordered Sivulfa and Virginia to return to base?

I AM?!!
This is the task of the Northern Fleet, of which I am not the commander. Therefore, I am abstracting.
You set me the task of fighting Norway. These Sivulfs will take care of me. Well, I'm them. Under and next to you. With your squadron.
And I fastened UDC as an article about them. Rather, I added them to AB. Not, well, really, not alone they go to crush someone.

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

Well, from Vladivostok I ... Hometown. How not to cheer.

Oh Victor Petrovich! Let's get better about women? Or about retirement!

[Victor_B]

What, inspired by music?
Youth remembered?

[Victor_B]

By the way, what is the flag on your tower?
Why in kilograms?

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

By the way, what is the flag on your tower?

The Kyrgyz flag, I come from here, and after leaving the service here I returned! Needed where was born!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Victor_B

And I fastened UDC as an article about them. Rather, I added them to AB.

And also say that the special is cool in terms of TACTICS and STRATEGIES of the fleet! UDC is the universal ship, that you can easily land a detachment (not a squadron!) Of PLO helicopters like Ka-27PL on it and scratch, in shifts, the Norwegian Sea under cover of an AVM. And you are crying about Virginia ... complaining that they will drown you immediately ... Not good somehow, for STRATEG something !!! Do not find?

[Victor_B]

Damn!
Comment went down.
Himself.
Duplicate
Serg65,
That's for sure, you really attached a lot of strange things to yourself .... take at least the KR Vladivostok, what kind of animal is this? It's the same as "Ustinov" and "Moscow".
Well, from Vladivostok I ... Hometown. How not to cheer.
Well who gave them so famously hid? You ordered Sivulfa and Virginia to return to the base? I? !!
This is the task of the Northern Fleet, of which I am not the commander. Therefore, I am abstracting.
You set me the task of fighting Norway. These Sivulfs will take care of me. Well, I'm them. Under and next to you. With your squadron.
And I fastened UDC as an article about them. Rather, I added them to AB. Not, well, really, not alone they go to crush someone.
Sorry mua!
I'm not guilty.

[Serg65]

Quote: Victor_B

This is the same as "Ustinov" and "Moscow".

The same thing that "Ustinov" and "Moscow" are called "Varyag" nee "Chervona Ukraine", and "Vladivostok" is, until the 77th year, BOD pr.1134, by the will of fate, suddenly became a missile cruiser, like "Grozny" at the behest party in one day has grown from a destroyer to a cruiser!

[gig334]

Languages ​​you can build. And it would be better if they built ships of the first rank, they are now needed.

[voyaka uh]

I would not risk it and I bought it first from South Koreans. And a production license. Would get the first - mastered with their weapons and equipment. And the second one would be assembled at your shipyard (it is also worth buying it completely) under the guidance of Koreans. And the third and further - themselves.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: voyaka uh

I would not risk it and I bought it first from South Koreans. And a production license.

Alex,
In the mind, of course, it ought to do so. There is only a clear installation from above - the money of the Moscow region should wash our economy and feed our shipbuilders, technologists and engineers. Well, KB-NII is also not averse to grab a piece from this pie. How else?
And, secondly, the Republic of Kazakhstan will not go against the will of the owner. It is said - sanctions, that means (at least get your eyes out!) Do not sell anything to Russians from dual-use products. And then build an integral UDC! Nah, Trump won't survive this !!!
But.

[prorab_ak]

Quote: maxim947

It is necessary to close the head of the USC and the representative of the Navy in Manturov’s room and not let them out until they form a unified approach to what and how much to build.

Build??? Let them first work out a unified approach. WHAT TO SAY

[23424636]

Mistrals were just some form of Russian-French friendship. Well, look at this curly-haired friend Dimon Sarkoz, who spent his first vacation in the USA receiving loot and instructions. The French (and there are mostly blacks and Arabs) need only submit a pig to understand that the Russians are not Corsicans.

[Sands Careers General]

The corps for the Mistrals was made in Russia, equipment too, the French provided all the plans and schemes.
There are technologies, we can build now))