Ban smartphones in school? Ministry of Culture ponders

Russia is actively discussing a situation that may not seem outwardly problematic, but for people familiar with the situation - it is very acute. We are talking about the total use of smartphones and other gadgets by schoolchildren and students during classes.

Earlier, representatives of the teaching community and parent committees contacted regional education departments and the ministry about a problem that is directly related to a significant decrease in the level of attention during classes at school. It was noted that the use of smartphones not only reduces the level of attention of the student, but also directly affects his academic performance, the nature of work in the classroom, and contacts with teachers and peers during the training, causing psychological problems. In addition, there is a kind of stratification in terms of household incomes - by used smartphones, depending on their value.

Not so long ago, the head of the Ministry of Education Olga Vasilyeva supported the idea of ​​banning schoolchildren from using gadgets during training sessions. After that, the public has split into those who are for, and those who are against.

What do they think about this in the educational committee of the lower house of the Federal Assembly? Boris Chernyshov, the committee’s deputy, representing the LDPR faction, points out that the solution of the issue may be due to “a restriction on the use of gadgets at a price. According to the deputy, it is enough to prohibit the use of smartphones in schools, the price of which is higher than 5 thousand rubles.

MP:

Equality of students in this area will only benefit them.

How the school will track the price of students' smartphones - according to the provided sales receipts from the store? This deputy has not clarified.

Yes, and how the price of a smartphone ultimately affects the decrease in the concentration of attention of the student during the lesson? After all, “flipping through the pages” or playing “hungry birds” during classes can be done on the gadget at the cost of up to 5 thousand rubles.

In fact, the problem is acute enough, and it is not only for Russia.

Comments

[Krasnodar]

Just make them take smartphones at the entrance to the school. In some Zapvda schools, this has been done for a long time.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Ban smartphones in school? Ministry of Culture ponders

"smartphones" is "great stupor", you look at people and are amazed ... they don't see anything around, they walk, ride, sit, eat ... and all buried in these Gadgets ... a herd ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

"smartphones" is a "great stupid", you look at people and are amazed ... they see nothing around, they walk, ride, sit, eat ... and all buried in these Gadgets ... a herd ...

[AID.S]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

smartphones "are a" great stupor ", you look at people and are amazed ... they see nothing around, they walk, drive, sit, eat ... and all buried in these Gadgets ... a herd ...

And before that, instead of smartphones, people with volumes of "War and Peace" walked the streets? It was still the same, some stupidly looked out the window, some were asleep, some were reading "Soviet Sport." And smart now is a means of communication. By the way, what is the correct way to visit VO: via PC, from the couch, on the go / on the bus?
And I support a reasonable prohibition in the classroom, gadgets can distract from the assimilation of educational material, however, it depends mainly on the student, smart and quick-witted everyone will have time.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them hand over smartphones at the entrance to school.

You don’t have to hand over anything. You just need to put signal jammers in schools, which make a useless piece of plastic and metal out of the coolest phone.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them hand over smartphones at the entrance to school.

You don’t have to hand over anything. You just need to put signal jammers in schools, which make a useless piece of plastic and metal out of the coolest phone.

The idea is good, but the liberals will howl about the violation of human rights, and it is technically difficult to implement.

[Ross xnumx]

Everything is hard for us. In Russia, adopting a law on progressive taxation (PIT) is a bummer, abolishing the moratorium on the death penalty for a number of crimes is not ethical, putting everyone in common zones, without distinction at the previous place of work, is inconvenient ...
In the fifth republic they took and banned ...
https://rg.ru/2018/06/08/francuzskij-parlament-zapretil-smartfony-v-shkolah.html
At school you need to study, and not show off in front of peers with the capabilities of your parents. There should be knowledge and skills. Whoever achieves great success in this field is also a "pan" ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: konstantin68

and technically it is difficult to implement.

In general, no problem, a friend works in a tricky service, in his words it's cheap and cheerful. But I agree with the liberals.

[igordok]

Quote: konstantin68

The idea is good, but the liberals will howl about the violation of human rights, and it is technically difficult to implement.

And they will make you go in foil caps.

[NIKN]

Quote: konstantin68

The idea is good, but the liberals will howl about the violation of human rights, and it is technically difficult to implement.

Jammers are not expensive and the problem is not in them, we jam the phones of teachers with an automatic machine, we jam services with an automatic machine, like the Ministry of Emergencies, etc. This is not a way out, a way out in upbringing, parents themselves must educate their child and instill (or force) him a desire to learn. But it turns out that parents refer to gadgets and justify their powerlessness to educate their child .. So you do something ... strange, but you are parents and do it, your child.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You don’t have to hand over anything. You just need to put signal jammers in schools, which make a useless piece of plastic and metal out of the coolest phone.

"Jammers" will not only allow you to make calls, and hardly anyone does this in class. But to use a smartphone as a camera, a game console, an audio-video player, a radio receiver ... (just what it is used for in the classroom), the "jammer" will quite allow.

[raw174]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You just need to put signal jammers in schools

Expensive, there may be problems with protection systems (fire, burglar alarms, etc.), there will also be problems with nearby houses (where there are dense buildings).

[NIKN]

Quote: raw174

Quote: Ingvar 72

You just need to put signal jammers in schools

Expensive, there may be problems with protection systems (fire, burglar alarms, etc.), there will also be problems with nearby houses (where there are dense buildings).

About what I said above. The problem is not solved there, it must be solved in the family. To shift your problem to something, this is already in trend with us. Take and solve the problem of your child, how did you give birth to him? what then would someone solve his problems? So he decides, the one who decides, and then the child does not consider you for anyone, but how did you want? he himself decided to give the child to be raised by someone and why cry?
PS I'm not specifically to the author of the post, I voiced this to all of us.

[210ox]

However, the functions of the calculator remain ... And the uploaded video and audio will not go anywhere ... In the late seventies, when calculators began to appear, they were forbidden to us at school ..

[Krasnodar]

Quote: 210ox

However, the functions of the calculator remain ... And the uploaded video and audio will not go anywhere ... In the late seventies, when calculators began to appear, they were forbidden to us at school ..

In Moldova, the end of the 80s was also prohibited, so I carried a Watch with a calculator from home) However, after three lessons I was simply forbidden to wear them. After that, the hit of the class was the game "Well, wait a minute", in my opinion, where the wolf was catching eggs)) and it was all up to porn cards, which also became very popular among eighth-graders, but it was already 91 years old

[raw174]

Quote: Krasnodar

game "well wait", in my opinion, where the wolf was catching eggs

"Electronics", the Wolf catches eggs, sea battle and races were, and at the end of the cartoon, someone finished playing to the cartoon

[_Sergei_]

I forbade my children to use a calculator, and when my daughter went to work at Sberbank, everyone at work was shocked by the fact that she was multiplying and adding numbers in her mind.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: _Sergey_

I forbade my children to use a calculator, and when my daughter went to work at Sberbank, everyone at work was shocked by the fact that she was multiplying and adding numbers in her mind.

I taught mine to multiply two-digit numbers in my mind according to my system - she still put everyone in a stupor at school and to train his memory with his children, he played "chains" - when one calls a word, the second repeats and adds his own, the first repeats two, etc. At first it was hard for them, and then they beat them at once, they reached 30 words - the child's mind is grateful, just invest! Now both communicate with the computer without any problems, and there are no problems with memory yet, they already take envy when you look at how much information they have in their heads! Hence, there is only one conclusion - load your boski and your children with work and you will be happy - a sound mind and full memory to a ripe old age!

[reservist]

Quote: 210ox

In the late seventies, when calculators began to appear, they were forbidden to us at school ..

Yes, there was such a thing ... somehow, before the test in mathematics, they asked what specifically should not be brought, they received the answer - only electronic calculators, they say, slide rulers, etc. you can use to check answers in the last 5 minutes. Excellent - said my buddy ... and five minutes before the end of the test from the "Kamchachtka" there was a crackle of "iron felix"

[reservist]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You just need to put signal jammers in schools ...

and school teachers won't be able to call anywhere either ...
Well, not such a useless piece of plastic, after all, a dozen gigabytes of cheat sheets fit in there ...

[73petia]

Quote: Krasnodar

force to hand over smartphones at the entrance to school

Quote: Ingvar 72

schools supply signal jammers

No need to take. It's just that for students in schools to release a special phone that can only call and send SMS. How to make it outwardly so that it is easily recognizable, ban everything else. And take away (that's the rest), with the subsequent transfer to parents.
And nothing can be jammed. This will firstly increase the level of electromagnetic radiation (there is already a lot of it), and secondly, it will interfere with the work of any automation and the devil knows what else there might be near schools.

[raw174]

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them hand over smartphones at the entrance to school.

Where to store? We need lockers, and the school has a thousand people, you will need additional. add storage, but what if the child hides the phone? Search? Why is the family turned off? This is primarily a matter of parents! My eldest daughter just went to school, they gave me a simple, old phone, there are 5-7 numbers and that's it, she won't get any smartphones until high school for sure.

[Alexey-74]

Are you a young dad? It seems to you that your daughter will not receive an expensive smartphone when she grows up, she will indicate so many reasons that you would buy her a smartphone, and there will be so many shed tears and tantrums that you will not want to buy

[raw174]

Quote: Alexey-74

Are you a young dad?

Yes, I'm not very far over 30, and there are three children ...

Quote: Alexey-74

she will point out so many reasons that you would buy her a smartphone, and there will be so many shed tears and hysterics that you will not buy it

I understand, but I hope for my resilience, although there is no hope for my wife))) But in any case, the issues of upbringing are, first of all, questions to the family.

[AID.S]

Quote: Alexey-74

when she grows up

I predict it will be in the first half of the year. Otherwise, it will be difficult for her to communicate with classmates, she will fall out. Better buy a cheap smart one, which is not a pity to break or lose.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Alexey-74

Are you a young dad? It seems to you that your daughter will not receive an expensive smartphone when she grows up, she will indicate so many reasons that you would buy her a smartphone, and there will be so many shed tears and tantrums that you will not want to buy

under 15 years old, the main thing is to hold out and before that, invest in your head as much as possible with the help of "buttons"

[Krasnodar]

Quote: raw174

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them hand over smartphones at the entrance to school.

Where to store? We need lockers, and the school has a thousand people, you will need additional. add storage, but what if the child hides the phone? Search? Why is the family turned off? This is primarily a matter of parents! My eldest daughter just went to school, they gave me a simple, old phone, there are 5-7 numbers and that's it, she won't get any smartphones until high school for sure.

Where to store is not a problem. Cells in the wardrobe, cases for a couple of cents. There is no need to search - it will carry - parents to school, etc. Respect for my daughter, your brains are in place. And my father-in-law gave a small iPhone X, before that 7+. Thank Gd that I managed to inspire my son the following - studying today is your financial and moral well-being tomorrow, as a result, he does not use a smartphone in class. At least there were no complaints from teachers.

[raw174]

Quote: Krasnodar

Cells in the wardrobe, cases for a couple of cents.

Well, do not tell me, when it comes to such a colossus as education, this is a very big penny. You will need a standard of lockers, with individually lockable cells, their TCO and physical security, they must be resistant to burglary, at least at the minimum level and for the education budget it will be too heavy, given that now they (schools) are not able to keep up with new requirements fire and anti-terrorist protection.

[ancestors from Don]

A smartphone is evil, that's it, I personally switched to a regular push-button dialer, without any gadgets and toys, the battery capacity of the monoblock is 4 amperes !!! and forgot about charging for a month !!! with moderate communication a day for 000 minutes.

[san4es]

Quote: Ancestors from the Don

Smartphone is evil ...

[73petia]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

4 amperes

4000 mAh

[abc_alex]

You can't. For this, the school must take responsibility for keeping the mat. values. Nobody will go for it.

[Vend]

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them take smartphones at the entrance to the school. In some Zapvda schools, this has been done for a long time.

And who will be responsible for safety?
Not any smartphones in the classroom, at the turn is another matter. A child needs a phone to be in touch with his parents.

[Yuyuka]

I support ... let's say, if you put it in special boxes at the beginning of the lesson and pick it up for recess in class - as an option. Moreover, with the help of parents, these issues can be easily solved. Any parent for the child to gain knowledge in the lesson

[reservist]

Quote: Krasnodar

Just make them take smartphones at the entrance to the school. In some Zapvda schools, this has been done for a long time.

in some schools in Moscow too ... so at the entrance we hand over the old phone, and with the new one we go further ...

[73petia]

Quote: Krasnodar

force to hand over smartphones at the entrance to school

No need to take. It's just that for students in schools to release a special phone that can only call and send SMS. How to make it outwardly so that it is easily recognizable, ban everything else. And take away (that's the rest), with the subsequent transfer to parents.

[samarin1969]

The problem is, in fact, very serious. They play, shoot, cheat - everyone, including the excellent students. A student can have all the screaming signs of a low standard of living - but always with a smartphone .... The level of influence on development (physical, psychological, intellectual) is simply terrifying. He always advocated the ban of telephones at school - colleagues and the administration never support on far-fetched pretexts .... Eh, "let's play it out" ....

[alstr]

Oh. Come on. Show me who didn't cheat at school? Or did you not play the same sea battle?
Everything was the same only at a different technological level.
And the development of a child does not depend on toys, but on parents and teachers.
A simple example. In my childhood, I calmly played in the yard (without parents) from the age of 6, from 8 I myself went to the nearest stores, and from 10 I went to the other end of St. Petersburg. And no one was particularly worried about me. And now letting a child under 10 go outside is a crime (not only is it a crime to leave a child at home - leaving a child in danger).
Here is your child's development. Maybe we will be more adequate after all?

[Yuyuka]

Show me who didn't cheat at school? Or did you not play the same sea battle?
Everything was the same only at a different technological level.

writing off cheat sheets is an order of magnitude harder and more useful, especially if you yourself have cooked from the textbook it is more difficult - you have to leaf through, look for a paragraph - the brain works differently, it must scan the space around for the danger of approaching a "threat"

"sea battle" and other intellectual games (this is not ironic) gave the brain a powerful impetus to work on logic and tactics. But a smartphone or a computer is more dull - formulated a request, typed in a search engine, read it and ... forgot. I'm not talking about social networks - the brain work there is minimal, if it concerns the learning process. By the way, the big trouble for today's children is the lack of long-term memory, nothing lingers - it's a big problem to memorize poems, to count in your mind - why?, Because there is no need - everything is at hand! it is necessary - a minute and all the infa in front of you - the Internet! (c) It's time to introduce special lessons in which children will perform special exercises for mental development - training memory, logic, even elementary multiplication or addition of numbers in the mind! Yes, you can even play "sea battle" - while no one can spy on a smartphone

There are no muscles in the head, but if the brain does not work, its productivity drops, after 40 years this is especially noticeable ...

[alstr]

Well, on the Internet, you also need to be able to search. So that's what it turns out to be. Yes, and write down cheat sheets on the phone the same as writing (although the writing skill is lost, it will be lost anyway in modern life).
And there are special lessons for memory at school.

In general, the problem is not in smartphones (formerly in calculators) or other smart technology. The problem is the teachers. If a teacher teaches in an interesting way (as I remember, a whole couple were laughing at the military commissar at a lecture on the Charter of the Guard Service - you need to be able to do that). If the teacher watches over the students so that they do not
distracted, then they will learn normally. If the teacher is all according to FIG, then select or do not select smartphones, but the children will find something to do with themselves.
But in order for the teacher to be not indifferent, he needs a class of not 30_ 40 people, but no more than 20. And to make sure that the teacher himself develops. But you have to think - it's easier to ban something.

[abc_alex]

You are an indescribable optimistic theorist. I do not argue that there are problems with teachers (namely "With" teachers and not "With" teachers, since now the problem is already with the LACK of teachers, and not with their quality) and they are getting worse. But the teacher CANNOT interest the student in memorizing chemistry valencies. elements or in memorizing physical formulas. This WORK is not interesting for children for psycho-physiological reasons. Neighboring with children - everyone can. Only this is not training.

[alstr]

Everything is possible and there are such examples. You can give the most boring items fun and entertaining.
A simple example from my own life. History. An ordinary rather boring subject at school. We are not exactly bored on it, but such an average subject.
And one day another teacher was appointed to replace us. He began to tell us about Charlemagne in the format of the novel "The Three Musketeers". The whole class sat and listened with open mouth (even deep poor students).
Moreover, I will probably say that these few lessons awakened in me a craving for Peter's story.

It's the same with chemistry. In addition to valence, there is much more that can interest children. Yes, just regularly carry out laboratory work. I assure the children will find it very interesting. If this is combined with the explanation of valence and its memorization, then there will be more sense than a simple cram.

And about laughter. You also need to know how to neigh. If a funny incident on the topic, then this is remembered better (everyone remembers the poem about the Pythagorean theorem?).
More precisely, an anchor is needed for better memorization of a particular topic. Laughter is such an anchor. But besides laughter, such anchors are bright events or episodes.

And most teachers cannot combine this.

[Volodin]

Quote: alstr

A simple example from your life. Story. Normal rather boring subject

Well, if history is a "boring subject", then I don't know what, as you say, "anchors" should be used on the subjects of the natural science cycle.

Quote: alstr

So the anchor is laughter

And how, according to Shukshin, it turns out: "Sometimes you do not know where to go from fun. Here's how the whole street starts to laugh, I won't save it. - Fire trucks cast. - Oh how! ... It happens that you get up in the morning, have not yet eaten breakfast, and laughter takes it. Damn, they know what it is, that's funny, that's all. Hold no no stopping".

Such training in the valencies and intricacies of trigonometry ... Everything in moderation.

[alstr]

History is indeed a rather boring subject - some dates and names (titles) need to be known. But to reveal what is behind these dates and names - you need to be able to.
As it was with us (and now in most cases): read the chapter, remember the dates and names. Answer security questions.
But to tell it so that it is filled is difficult.
When history became interesting to me, I went to the Sputnik guide courses (one of the two large excursion offices in the USSR is Intourist). So, in addition to the history of the city itself (and they taught really interesting, but they also drove hard), we were given the basics of lecturing and psychology.
So, we had one rule not to give exact numbers (except for key ones). For the rest, be limited to general phrases at a level not more detailed than a decade.

The fact is that the human brain memorizes a limited number of new concepts (that is, these are just numbers, dates, names, etc.) per hour (about 15). Otherwise, an overload occurs and the brain begins to pass information. At the same time, he perceives general information more calmly.
Moreover, we were specially forced to learn the elements and funny historical anecdotes in order to dilute the boring "look to the left - look to the right" with them.


Therefore, indeed, as in any business, a golden mean is needed - everything in moderation.


PS By the way, we had a popular joke at the courses of guides: "The main task of a lecturer and a guide is to lull the audience"

[saturn.mmm]

Strictly prohibit the use of smartphones in class. To hand over at the entrance to school, who thinks differently is a stupid person.

[Bull Terrier]

Yeah. And the children will obey.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Yeah. And the children will obey.

realities: the wife teaches in a "multidisciplinary" (cho optimization) technical school, the contingent is different from "norms" to abnormalities "ie," ZPR "+ to everything-orphans. in the classroom they do what they want, (send the teacher, like two fingers about asphalt) just do not drink or smoke. "smarts" are not released from their hands. NOBODY can do anything. "juvenile" de facto works. "children" just say: you violate my rights, you have no right, I will complain ... about how. and it works. you can neither shout at them, nor deprive them of scholarships, nor exclude them, nothing at all! and they firmly know this. "bio-waste" is growing. (I'm not talking about normal people who came to study and study, but there are few of them).

[ancestors from Don]

Let's prohibit tablets and smatras in state institutions with a cost of four or more, otherwise deputies with 400 thousandth salaries crawl on sites during working hours.

[Grandfather]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

-1
Let's ban tablets and smatras in government institutions

what ??? and the "servants" what will they do ???

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dead Day

Quote: ancestors from the Don

-1
Let's ban tablets and smatras in government institutions

what ??? and the "servants" what will they do ???

Hai wear a glossy "Penthouse" to the meeting. Prevention of blood vessels, strengthens the hands ...

[Skarpzd]

Well, as a stupid person I will answer: my wife is a teacher of Russian and literature in the senior classes. in fact, she would have to buy 7 sets of textbooks and carry them home and to school, with a tablet. pupils keep up. the youngest goes to school with a tablet, and at home she uses textbooks. why is it bad? a person who wants to gain knowledge - it will not hurt either way. and everything in the world interferes with the one who is serving. Well, let's remove interactive whiteboards from classrooms, we will cut off the Internet from school. do you sincerely think that it will improve academic performance?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Skarpzd

well, how stupid person

Why would you then explain on your fingers how everything with this "smartization" of people turns into a herd ... your wife "conveniently" works with him .. and did not try to consider the "other side of the coin", on a scale? not in your kitchen?

[Skarpzd]

But I prefer from my kitchen. Everything that is convenient for me and facilitates my work (study) has a right to exist. And should apply.

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Skarpzd

But I prefer from my kitchen. Everything that is convenient for me and facilitates my work (study) has a right to exist. And should apply.

there is a small nuance: when there is a baggage of knowledge and a working brain, it is normal and even necessary to use the technique, if it allows you to solve the problem faster, and when used thoughtlessly, for any reason, it leads to degradation. Regarding it is convenient and makes it easier - one can cite a personal car as an example - if it even drives to the store for bread, very soon health problems are guaranteed. In this case, with smartphones, the child's brain must plow to the fullest - load and train as much as possible, using equipment to a minimum.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Skarpzd

my wife is a teacher of Russian and literature in the senior classes. in fact, she would have to buy 7 sets of textbooks and carry them home and to school, with a tablet.

It was about the students.

Quote: Skarpzd

the youngest goes to school with a tablet

Let's hope that she will not be pulled into her whirlpool of social networks.

Quote: Skarpzd

a person who wants to gain knowledge - it will not hurt either way. and everything in the world interferes with the one who is serving.

When the child is near the temptation, in most cases the temptation wins.

Quote: Skarpzd

well, let's remove interactive whiteboards from classes

You are distorting.

Quote: Skarpzd

we will cut off the Internet from school

Internet use is at the discretion of the teacher, according to training programs.

Quote: Skarpzd

do you sincerely think that it will improve academic performance?

Banning the use of smartphones in class will increase academic performance, I truly believe in this.

[Bull Terrier]

What kind of savagery we have eternal - to prohibit everything ?! Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

[Fungus]

Let the children study, not play games on the phone.

[Bull Terrier]

I'm all for it. Just not in the form of a ban. This doesn't work in the modern world. Well, will they do it? What's next? Smartphone police will be created in schools? Or will the children pass through the frame at the entrance? Or even to fine them for this?) According to my class teacher, it is enough to ask the parents for this, explaining to them how it harms the child. And let the parents do it. About the cost in general some kind of game ... if the wife gave her daughter her old iPhone, what's wrong with that ?!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Fungus

Let the children study, not play games on the phone.

Who is against it? But you try to explain it clearly to the children.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

Try it!

[Bull Terrier]

so such a ban will still not give anything) Apple Watch is on hand and all the things) what was not forbidden to me at school, I did everything in my own way) I don't think that my children will do something differently) I'm a child without a phone from home I'm not letting go now. I always know where he is.

[alstr]

Why are smartphones clinging to the cost? Why not backpacks, pencil cases, pens, etc.? They are also different.
The only thing is that smartphones take away attention, but a normal teacher is not interested in a student in a smartphone.
As for the correspondence, we used to flip little notes before. And this is forgive not only the distraction of the two students, but also those in between. Otherwise, even the recipient can ignore the sender.

But there is one more thing. Now, with the obsession with security (all sorts of frames, turntables, etc.), parents are prohibited from entering the school, and now we will also ban telephones. How to contact the child or his parents? But sometimes you have to take it straight from the lesson.

It is necessary to know the measure in prohibitions.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Bull Terrier

What kind of savagery we have eternal - to prohibit everything ?! Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

I follow your logic, it is necessary to allow vapes, at least in high school, you can use light weed, but in the final class, you can also use synthetics.

[Bull Terrier]

Well, you are going too far) of course I am for compliance with laws) everything is in the legal field)

[raw174]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

You can’t even imagine how difficult it is, especially with parents, "yazhmat", in his maternal zeal, often reaches extremes and absurdity ...

[abc_alex]

Impossible. It is always easier to have fun than to work, children will play at every opportunity, not study. This is a psychological and pedagogical axiom. Parents who give their children smartphones to school just do not care what they do there. Otherwise, children have simple dialers. No persuasion works. This has been proven in practice for years.

[Antares]

Quote: Bull Terrier

What kind of savagery we have eternal - to prohibit everything ?! Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

this is the easiest option - something is wrong, so we will prohibit it and everything will be fine.
Bans don't work anywhere. Especially with children. It will even be more interesting for them to break the forbidden.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bull Terrier

What kind of savagery we have eternal - to prohibit everything ?! Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

Usually girls sit on social networks and boys participate in battles (tanks or strategies), try to drag them out of there, for children it is a great temptation and they are not yet accustomed to responsibility, but they know their rights much more than necessary.

Quote: Bull Terrier

according to my class teacher, it is enough to ask the parents for this, explaining to them how it harms the child. And let the parents do it.

You might think that teachers do not tell parents about this problem and you are the only one who has thought of this before.

Quote: Bull Terrier

I am not letting a child out of the house without a phone right now. I always know where he is.

You should also know what he does there.

Quote: Bull Terrier

Yeah. And the children will obey.

This should be the norm established by law. The school must establish a code of conduct for the student, for violation of which the student must be punished, and maybe together with the parents, sometimes parents are more stupid than their children.

[alstr]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: Bull Terrier

What kind of savagery we have eternal - to prohibit everything ?! Is it really that hard to just work with children and their parents ?!

Usually girls sit on social networks and boys participate in battles (tanks or strategies), try to drag them out of there, for children it is a great temptation and they are not yet accustomed to responsibility, but they know their rights much more than necessary.

And this is the teacher's task - to interest the children in their studies. But for this he must have:
- leverage (and now, I agree, their minimum - especially for high school)
- material base
- help from parents

And the problem is that very often the teacher has none of this.

PS And the education of responsibility must begin with the abolition of the idiotic punishment for leaving in danger (yes, somewhere it is needed, but not in such an exaggerated form as we do).
And responsibility is also brought up by responsibility for something, and in our country, God forbid, the child must answer for something - it's too dangerous.

ZYY By the way, any toy still develops even a shooter or collecting game.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: alstr

And this is the teacher's task - to interest the children in their studies.

What do you think a teacher should do to interest children in a math lesson, for example?

Quote: alstr

By the way, any toy still develops even a shooter or collecting game.

So you can not go to school and develop shooters and collecting games.

[alstr]

There is such a book - Entertaining Mathematics. This is just from this area.
And so the main thing is to show the child that it is not just necessary to learn, but to learn in order to then apply it somewhere.

[Bull Terrier]

Punishment? To the child for the phone? Legally ?! Is it worth introducing rods by law ?! I have a kid in elementary school now. They study there for the first 4 years. Those. There are no 5,6 etc. classes. Only the little ones. Punish them for their phones ?!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Punishment? To the child for the phone? Legally ?!

Punishment for systematic violation of the norms of behavior at school, abuse of smartphone use is included in these violations.

Quote: Bull Terrier

Is it worth introducing rods by law ?!

The problem of discipline in British schools has long become a real headache for teachers and parents of the United Kingdom. According to the latest opinion poll, a significant percentage of Britons favor the resumption of corporal punishment in the country's educational institutions. Strangely enough, the schoolchildren themselves also believe that only a stick can calm them down with excessively aggressive classmates.
Corporal punishment may soon be reintroduced in British schools. At least the results of a 2012 opinion poll conducted by the Times Educational Supplement show that the inhabitants of Foggy Albion see no other way to calm down their overly unruly children. According to sociologists who surveyed more than 2000 parents, 49% of adults dream of returning to the days when public flogging and other corporal punishment was actively used in schools. Moreover, one in five of 530 children surveyed said that they are in solidarity with parents who advocate the return of such "Draconian" measures to restore order. As it turned out, not only teachers were tired of hooligans, but also the schoolchildren themselves, whom their aggressive classmates interfere with learning. The introduction of corporal punishment in schools in England may soon become a reality, as this program is actively supported by the British Education Minister Michael Gove, who believes that it is high time for "troubled" children to show "who is boss".
According to the official, almost 93% of parents and 68% of schoolchildren in the country believe that teachers need to untie their hands in terms of tougher penalties. However, not all British teachers agree with the Minister of Education. Thus, the head of the National Association of Women Teachers, Chris Keats, believes that “in a civilized society it is unacceptable to beat children”

Of course, one should not go to extremes, but some measures to impose discipline in the school should be introduced.

Quote: Bull Terrier

They study there for the first 4 years. Those. There are no 5,6 etc. classes. Only the little ones. Are they punished for their phones?

And kids don't need phones in class.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bull Terrier

Punishment? To the child for the phone? Legally ?!

Yes, just put a call with an automatic machine, to the one who gets the phone, and that's all.

[rotmistr60]

This question should have been raised for a long time. And focus not on its (smartphone) price (LDPR, as always, blows its own tune), but on its presence in general.

[ghby]

Quote: rotmistr60

This question should have been raised for a long time. And focus not on its (smartphone) price (LDPR, as always, blows its own tune), but on its presence in general.

Well, you can't give up the phone, but for example, you can fix the list of permissible equipment, following the example of the Ministry of Defense in cadet corps. A phone without a camera and Internet access - please, carry as much as you like, the rest in your free time from school.

[ANCIENT]

Why was it not yet legally approved 15 years ago? At school, college, institute, technical school - only a telephone "talker" without a camera, and a slot for a USB flash drive, and only during recess! !!

[pru-pavel]

In Russia, smartphones should be banned altogether. You are always proposing half measures. This does not work.

[raw174]

Quote: ANCIENT

Why was it not yet legally approved 15 years ago?

It is possible to approve, it cannot be realized ... there will be many conflicts with property rights and human rights.

[Razvedka_Boem]

Our schoolchildren simply hand over their phones to the teacher at the beginning of the lesson.
Also, the smartphone sends SMS to parents when a student enters school and when he leaves its territory.

[Azim77]

Such smart watches with the ability to track the child’s GPS location are also popular. A student from the first grade can call parents at the touch of a button. The clock works in silent mode, vibration on the hand does not distract the class, and the child himself will not miss the call. There are already similar models for teenagers. Those. communication is used for its intended purpose. Do not count for advertising.

[reservist]

on Habré recently there was an article about the security of such a watch ... some very common model was sorted out, unfortunately, access to data from "someone else's" watches is not a particular problem ...

[Skarpzd]

my youngest is an excellent student. goes to school with notebooks and a tablet in which all textbooks are pumped. it does not prevent her from studying. and the vast majority of her classmates do the same. teachers are generally welcomed. if the final child does not use the gadget as a toy.

[abc_alex]

Vooot! How many parents do you think are interested in what their child has on the phone? You seem to be from a vanishingly small minority of parents who consider themselves responsible for what their child does at school. And you, I think, already understand that the problem of gadgets begins with the PARENTS.

[reservist]

+1
my youngest is never an excellent student, but he took not the last places in the Olympiads, walked with a laptop, the tablet turned out to be "too small" for him ...

[Ros 56]

Don't fucking think. No smartphones or phones in the classroom. Only teacher and students. Can't take it, puts a jammer on the school. Then they will say thank you.

[Old26]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Strictly prohibit the use of smartphones in class. To hand over at the entrance to school, who thinks differently is a stupid person.

It's easy to say. How to solve this problem? Did the student say that he doesn't have a phone with him? What to do? Believe on their word or arrange a total search, both personal and things?

[Krasnodar]

Take notes immediately and pass on his name to the teachers. If they get caught - parents to school.

[Antares]

Deputies in the Rada / Duma would have carried out such a ban (especially at a price) and would have observed their "bans".
NO BANKS WILL WORK. Especially children.
For children, everything is built on games. The best learning is also a kind of game. And the more interesting it is, the better the child will remember and want. By prohibiting a favorite toy, you will not force him to focus on an unloved process.
I don’t understand one thing, where do the deputies have such clever thoughts? They would at least ask child psychologists, teachers, children. They figured out the root of evil .... otherwise - a smartphone is evil, we will ban it and everyone will immediately begin to learn. And before smartphones, everything was good.
This does not work. Neither with children nor with society. A society of prohibitions is a society of violated prohibitions! Moreover, these "violations" will be with interest and rebelliousness.
If you offer a way out, you need to transfer part of the process to a smartphone. Make it an image not only entertaining but also entertaining educational.
Fight fire with fire.

[alstr]

It should be added that there is such a wise phrase: "The forbidden fruit is sweet."
This fully applies to games (as well as cartoons, films, etc.).
Sometimes it can even be helpful to let your child replay the games. Then they will just bother him and he will treat them calmly.
You just need to set some rules for the parents and then everything will fall into place.

[petrol cutter]

"This does not work. Neither with children nor with society. The society of prohibitions is a society of violated prohibitions! Moreover, these" violations "will be with interest and rebelliousness
Freedom-loving Ukraine shared her thoughts ...
How does it not work ?! If I don’t buy a smart child, where will the child get it from ?!

[Antares]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Freedom-loving Ukraine shared her thoughts ...

not necessary at all. General methods are possible. The same Moscow or Polish
Among such formats, for example:

BYOD (Bring Your Own Device - "Bring your own device"). Students are encouraged to use their gadget in the classroom to search for information, watch videos.
Advantages of the format: Students receive information in their usual form (through videos, articles, chats) and are more willing to learn. They are more confident in managing their own education outside the classroom.
Flipped classroom format. The study of the material and the completion of assignments occurs in the opposite sequence to the standard lesson. At home, the student over the Internet looks at the theoretical part proposed by the teacher, often in multimedia format. In the lesson, practical tasks are done.
Advantages of the format: This frees up more time for communication between teacher and student in the classroom and for work in a group. Sick students are more easily included in the study: the video lecture contains all the necessary information on the topic. In addition, you can always return to such a resource on the eve of exams.
E-learning: e-learning. These are no longer separate technologies, but the creation of a coherent environment that includes mobile learning (or m-learning) and Internet-based training (WBT).
Advantages of the format: You can study remotely: consult and receive grades. Self-education is also possible, for example, through massive open online courses - MOOCs

It is often thought in the media that gadgets distract children during lessons, which affects academic performance. It would seem that this is logical. However, in the study, no such connection (between the achievements of students and the intensity of using devices in the lesson) was found.
Scientists have checked whether mobile phones, namely entertainment applications, are really "the prerogative of conventional C grade students" who used to count crows in class, looked out the window, and now are immersed in their gadgets. But such a correlation has not been identified, said Diana Koroleva. “Both excellent students, good students, and C-students, when they get bored, switch to the smartphone screen,” the researcher notes. "The guys use the device to find educational information." That is, all adolescents in this regard are "mobile and autonomous," sums up the Queen.
As for the Ukrainian realities, due to the sameness with the Russians, we also want the "French experience" (to ban everything), but we lean towards the tablet version, yes, no smartphones.

[petrol cutter]

In no way do I want to offend anyone, but I went to school, you went to school. What the hell were smartphones there ?! Then the calculator was like a miracle!
And I must say, learned. Therefore, as books and reference books were then studied (and they drew theses with their own hands). And I also (bothering) two classmates drew drawings for the diploma, so that the armless comrades would hand over ... So that they were empty.

[reservist]

Quote: Antares

I don’t understand one thing, where do the deputies have such clever thoughts?

probably decided first to "practice" on schoolchildren ...

[Snail N9]

Yes, do not care. Everyone is the "smith of his own happiness". If he wants to sit in a smartphone, believing that he has nothing to do in class, then let him sit. And then, let him shake the parents on the subject of tutors, to pass the exam, at least for teachers, the real extra earnings by tutoring will be ... They are now all "personalities" and are smart from the cradle, they don't need knowledge, because everything is on the Internet, I had to, found ..... and strain your brains ... no-it is now not in trend. Look, look how our government solves problems, including pension problems, and you demand something from young people - they have a clear example before their eyes - learn - don't learn, but there are no "connections", there is no "daddy-mommy at the top" - all your life you will "creep in the mud", at the bottom you will have at least "seven spans in your forehead" ... I am not worried about this at all - life will put everything in its place, whoever needs it, he will receive knowledge when he is for this, really motivated ....

[Vitas]

We had such an experience. A year later, the class that was using gadgets refused them. During recess, the children began to play ball and catch up. The rest continued to sit on the phone during recess and class, where the experiment was not carried out.

[Grim Reaper]

The problem is not with smartphones. What's the difference to poke the screen or draw tic-tac-toe. The problem is the teachers. Remembering myself, school 9, Sverdlovsk. Physics teacher Minevich Felix Pavlovich. Everyone, even the girls, sat open-mouthed in class. A teacher from God.

[petrol cutter]

Walk only with the simplest push-button telephones. So I could call my parents / parents-you. More than a schoolboy, a phone is not needed for anything. I think so.
I don’t buy anything for my daughter yet, but if I start to “get it”, I will give her an old “cot” without anything.

[BISMARCK94]

No, not an option. If the lesson is boring and uninteresting, the student will find something to distract himself without a smartphone. And also vice versa, a normal student will allocate and find time for everything.

[HMR333]

everything is correct nefig during the lessons only seduces the smart to climb to see something in the chats ..... distracts the damned!

[16112014nk]

Earlier about the problem .... representatives of the teachers' community and parental committees addressed.
As Professor Preobrazhensky would say: The problem is in the minds of students and their parents.
And in general - to school with a telephone with two buttons.

[feokot1982]

the eldest son has already had a ban at school since last year, only poor push-buttons are allowed.

[Archon]

the student is distracted because there is an opportunity.
it doesn’t matter if it’s a smartphone, drawing in a notebook or textbook, sending a note or writing them, looking at flies or letting out bunnies with a mirror on the walls and ceiling.
schoolchildren are always distracted when there is an opportunity.
let them reduce the number of students in the class to 10 and increase attentiveness.
and the difference in the price of devices in general excites only stupid ones.