"East 2018". How Germans scare themselves

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Again in Europe they say that Russia is intimidating her. Now, for this purpose, Moscow supposedly uses the Vostok 2018 teachings, which are named after the Handelsblatt edition unprecedented in scale and comparable to the largest military operations of the Second World War.

The Germans, of course, know what kind of callus to put pressure on their man in the street: in the battles of World War II, the grandfathers of today's well-educated burghers took part personally, and their memory (as well as fear) is present in German society at the genetic level. However, in fact, everything is somewhat more modest. The scale is really very large, but the Russian military prefer to compare the current exercises with the “West 81” maneuvers.





Nor does the respected German publication explain the fact that the exercises held on the other side of the largest Eurasian continent are a threat or a challenge to NATO. Or is this another hint that the entire world is the responsibility of the transatlantic military organization? Then the fears are clear. It is not clear who threatens anyone more: Russia, which trains the army on its territory, or NATO, is ready to stick its nose to anywhere in the world.

Recalling the times of the bloc’s confrontation, Handelsblatt shudders about the horror that the entire NATO bloc experienced while watching the unfolding West 1981 exercises. 100 soldiers! 000 tanks! 400 fighters! Testing a large-scale offensive from the Baltic to the Black Sea! And, like a cherry on the cake, some expert assessments are added, according to which the Soviet Army could defeat NATO in just three days. So the connection between these exercises by German journalists was worked out “excellently”, and Sergei Shoigu is probably not happy that he allowed himself such a comparison.

In reality, we really expect very serious teachings, the main phase of which will take place from 11 to 15 September. Prior to this, various events related to the sudden verification of combat readiness, the transfer of troops, the partial mobilization of reservists and so on will take place. In addition, the military personnel of China and Mongolia will take part in the maneuvers, which in itself is a serious step to build confidence in the region.

It should be noted that in the Chinese press are not at all afraid of maneuvers, including directly at the borders of the Middle Kingdom. Moreover, the media point out that the Chinese army had a great opportunity to learn from the Russians a bit of the real combat experience we gained during the conflicts of recent years, especially in the Syrian one. This is considered to be almost the main priority of the Chinese side, apart from, of course, demonstrating China’s growing military and technological power.

The demonstration of Russian-Chinese military cooperation is another nightmare for strategists from Washington and Brussels. Both Russia and China have armed forces that are fully capable of opposing the combined forces of NATO. Together, they gain an advantage in some branches of the military, and a significantly greater economic stability compared to the current one. The transformation of Russian-Chinese cooperation into a full-fledged military-political alliance can completely change the existing political and economic alignments in the world, at once transferring the United States and its allies to the category of the defending side. And although there is no clear evidence of such unification in the near future, it is obvious that large-scale military exercises of the two countries are a signal indicating an increase in their mutual trust and ever closer cooperation.

And from this really to the military block not far. Moreover, external forces are so actively pushing us towards this ...

The units of the armed forces of Mongolia will also take part in the exercises. Let us be frank, they are hardly able to somehow significantly strengthen the Russian or Chinese troops. But here are interesting logistic and resource aspects of cooperation. Mongolia can be very useful to a hypothetical military bloc, not by military force, but by convenient means of communication and various resources. Therefore, it is probably not worth discounting her interest in these teachings.

German journalists also note that during the indicated period the next Eastern Economic Forum will be held in Vladivostok. A meeting between Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping is expected there, which should become an economic complement to strengthening military and political cooperation. It is expected that several agreements will be signed at once, as well as, most likely, a joint presence at some stages of the maneuvers. In particular, one can expect the presence of the leaders of the two countries at the events held as part of the exercises by the ships of the Russian Pacific fleet.

Such a demonstration is needed by Putin and Russia to show that rumors about the country's isolation are greatly exaggerated. And it is about economic isolation, the consequences of which are so praised in the West. China, despite all the difficulties of its own position, with all the caution with which it pursues its foreign policy, still remains one of Russia's largest economic partners, is in no hurry to participate in the sanctions race, and this almost devalues ​​the US attempts to “strangle” Russia with bans for export or strikes on its financial system.

Without a doubt, the publication of the German edition can be considered as the private opinion of only one editorial team. But let's be frank - it shows a fairly high level of anti-Russian propaganda, and the wide support that American anti-Russian circles can find, in particular, in Germany.

We are often trying to give the Germans for the victims of American expansion, who ostensibly in their mass sympathize with Russia, but can do nothing with American hegemony. But it is worth remembering the relatively recent doping scandal, initiated and promoted by German journalist Hajo Zeppelt, or the German press center during the World Cup, located not in Russia, but in Germany, and you understand that the broad masses of German inhabitants, apparently, do not care to the truth. They are not just deceived, they are “deceived happy”, and any kind of justice interests them no more than interestingly submitted fried facts or the next horror stories about these “terrible Russians”.

Therefore, if someone writes that a million Russian soldiers stuffed with meldonium, is preparing to attack NATO and rape a billion German women, there will be millions of those who easily believe it.

Therefore, dear fellow citizens, there are more teachings, big and not so much. And so what about this write in the German media, we must be completely indifferent.
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  1. +2
    4 September 2018 14: 37
    Teaching is great.
    True, we will not scare anyone.
    If we were scared, then Germany would have stopped building the Nord Stream 2.
    America acquire our rocket engine.
    Our rich villains would be arrested right at the airports and with ready sentences - Life sentence would be sent to prisons like Alcatraz.
    Kids, wives, lovers and lovers would have already spud permafrost in the Canadian Arctic.
    And so on.
    And since neither one nor the other takes any steps, then it is not worth talking about fears.
    1. +1
      4 September 2018 15: 09
      Alcatraz was closed in 1963)))
  2. +1
    4 September 2018 15: 02
    Fie on them, let them write, it is important for us that the army be strong in arms and spirit. We are a peaceful country, but we can stand up for ourselves and even if our military potential is inferior to NATO (and this is so), we cannot be bent by force. Ugh on them again.
  3. +1
    4 September 2018 15: 04
    with a light hand, Handelsblatt editions were called unprecedented in scale and comparable to the largest military operations of the Second World War.
    Probably compared with the Berlin operation. (April 16 - May 8, 1945 (2.05 - storm of Berlin), commanders-in-chief (1st Belorussian Front - Zhukov 2nd Belorussian Front - Rokossovsky 1st Ukrainian Front - Konev)
  4. +1
    4 September 2018 15: 06
    In fact, a military bloc with China is an extreme measure. If this happens, it will really blow up the whole world, and this is not pathos. The strategies of almost all states in our world will have to change. The crisis will be the same. In my opinion, partnership is ideal. And the Chinese really perceive the teachings quite adequately, even rather positively.
    1. 0
      4 September 2018 17: 59
      And what do you dislike about the military bloc with China? Well point by point please feel ... From our arguments: having a military bloc, we can count on economic cooperation "not to the detriment", that at least bypassing sanctions and a "shoulder" on which we can rely until it becomes clear in our heads and we revive our economy.
      To revival - China is buying up our resources, I will answer in advance "China does not buy up our resources. China buys WHAT we sell ourselves, and if these are resources, then who is our doctor." At the same time, having signed the border treaty, we more or less closed the unresolved issues and now the Chinese themselves have already turned their eyes in other directions !! good Building up their fleet is in your opinion for the "conquest of Siberia"? lol And the incessant squabbles over the Spratly Islands or whatever, this is also "hostility against Russia", let them have fun. We offer China what they need more than what they need and apparently they agreed with this - joint ownership of Heartland. good And in fact, "to grab for yourself" all of Eurasia (the mainland), all sorts of little things like Yakonia, Israel or Naglia - neither we nor the Chinese do not care, the goal will be to "skewer" all the countries of the continent. Perhaps with the subsequent "fencing" from the madmen on the other side of the planet bully good .According to all calculations, Eurasia is absolutely self-sufficient both in resource and in all other senses.
      At the same time, we, in contrast to all previous "contenders for world domination" - equality, or rather "not to meddle in the internal affairs of countries", everyone will pray to whomever he wants to build communism for you, even a monarchy, and the total military power (or rather, based on huge cudgel of Russia) will guarantee peace between countries. good
      1. +4
        4 September 2018 18: 52
        Quote: Mih1974
        And what do you dislike about the military bloc with China?

        To everyone. In my IMHO this is a very stupid idea.
        Quote: Mih1974
        Well point by point please

        The first question is why do we need such a military pact? You write
        Quote: Mih1974
        having a military bloc, we can count on economic cooperation "not to harm"

        Quite the contrary, to the detriment. China is interested in reverse engineering (that is, theft) of our technologies, today, when we are connected by purely market relations, it is relatively easy to fend off, but it will be more difficult to refuse an ally.
        Quote: Mih1974
        that at least a bypass of sanctions and a "shoulder" on which you can rely until it clears up in your head and we revive our economy

        Bypassing sanctions, we are acting now, because China does not support them, and it will never be our shoulder - why should China?
        Quote: Mih1974
        Building up their fleet is in your opinion for the "conquest of Siberia"?

        The expansion of the fleet is a very alarming symptom, meaning that China is ready to defend its geopolitical interests outside the country. And Siberia is included in its geopolitical interests. In general, it is not the fleet that is dangerous; the determination and goals of the Chinese leadership are dangerous.
        As for Siberia, the size of the Chinese army is more than enough for this, and the Chinese are diligently increasing its fighting efficiency.
        Quote: Mih1974
        the incessant showdown for the Spratly Islands or whatever, this is also "hostility against Russia", let them have fun

        :)) Let's get back to the original question. Why do we need a military bloc? And in what form do you want to enclose it? Suppose we conclude it in a form obliging an ally to declare war on that country that will invade Russian or Chinese territory. How will this help us?
        NATO invaded Belarus? Forgive me, this is not the territory of the Russian Federation, so China is on the sidelines. NATO invaded Crimea? Sorry, China has not officially recognized Crimea as Russian, so China is on the sidelines. That is, China will not climb into any of our near-border conflicts to fight for us. And what else? If a particular country goes insane and rushes to us - today we have a strong enough armed forces so that such an activist can scoop up the wort in quickly and extremely painfully, we don’t need China here. If the entire NATO bloc opposes us ... Do you seriously believe that China will remain faithful to its allied commitments? This is against all their interests.
        But we have to fight with Vietnam over the Spratly Islands, which China considers its territory - is it necessary? Why, you can ask?
        There is another option - when an ally automatically enters the war if another ally leads it. Do you seriously believe that such an alliance with a country that has managed to quarrel with ALL of its neighbors is very beneficial for us?
        In the event of the Sino-Indian conflict - will we declare war on India? wassat
        Quote: Mih1974
        We offer China what they need more than anything and apparently they agreed with this - joint ownership of the Heartland

        Why do they have this joint possession, if they sleep and see how to push us away?
        1. 0
          4 September 2018 19: 20
          And I will answer you - a military alliance, at least, allows you to count on "back to back" and not a hostile attitude. That in general, given our only version of the war for Siberia with the Chinese with nuclear weapons, it is good and allows us to revise the concept of defense. Further, I advise you to look at HOW the military in Japia raises its head, there are ALREADY talks that the Japia Can (Can) make itself a nuclear weapon belay am ... So far, the Japs "want" our Kurils, but they want them conceptually, but their showdown with the Chinese is more than real. Again, the presence of the Kuriles in our country - let us essentially create a base (shelter, additional parryka) with direct access directly to the Pacific Ocean, which China does not have, and we can "invite" them to this future base, thereby "pushing" them closer to the United States lol ... I repeat - not to give or allow them your base, but "on a visit" and if "che" we get them out of there. good , well, or simply the passage through our Sea of ​​Okhotsk to their warships "allow". )
          At the expense of the war with Vietnam or India, well, you can treaty as in NATO (assistance at your discretion), but what is much more important is the "motivation" of everyone in Eurasia to wave sabers and "sit down at the negotiating table" as though gritting his teeth, but Turkey and Iran. That is, by "pressing" the military-economic bloc "Russia + China, we can better convince EVERYONE here to live in peace and decide everything controversially without shooting, followed by the laying of railways, mutual trade and so on."
          I also want to remind you that China has ALREADY begun its expansion, while we should not continue to sit "on the mountain and wait for the tiger's trap" to Africa. In fact, in the contract we "sell" what we have a Military Authority, which China cannot boast of now. You are suggesting that we sit on the shore even more until the Chinese Army surpasses ours and they can really look at us as a victim.
          Again, do not distort, I am not proposing the transfer of technologies, which by the way and without any "union" flow away to China negative ... Again, negotiating with China "not to steal" it is better to be allies (when they are interested in us) than a neutral country whose opinion they would not care.
          1. +2
            4 September 2018 21: 26
            Quote: Mih1974
            And I will answer you - a military alliance, at least, allows you to count on "back to back" and not a hostile attitude. That in general, with our only version of the war for Siberia with the Chinese with nuclear weapons, it is good and allows us to revise the concept of defense.

            No, it does not. The military alliance will not change the geopolitics of China, they will still and always will consider Siberia as the future part of themselves. And if we relax here ... Then the military alliance will be broken, and the Chinese will take Siberia.
            But let's do it differently. How exactly are you going to revise the concept of defense and what do you want to get from this? :)))
            Quote: Mih1974
            Again, the presence of the Kuriles in our country - let us essentially create a base (shelter, additional parryka) with direct access directly to the Pacific Ocean, which China does not have, and we can "invite" them to this future base, thereby "pushing" them closer to the United States

            This will help China. What do we get from this? Overwhelmed relations with Japan? To spite grandmother frostbite ears?
            Quote: Mih1974
            At the expense of the war with Vietnam or India, well, you can treaty like in NATO (help at your discretion)

            That is, we will not see any military assistance from China. And why do we need such an agreement?
            Quote: Mih1974
            but what is much more important is the "motivation" of everyone in Eurasia to wave sabers and "sit down at the negotiating table" as though reluctantly speaking Turkey and Iran are talking. That is, "pressing" by the military-economic bloc "Russia + China, we can better convince EVERYONE here to live in peace and decide everything controversially without shooting.

            :))))) China is very economically connected with Europe and the United States. And while China does not at all see a threat from European countries. Explain why he should carry chestnuts out of the fire for us? We want this, I understand, and I quote this why?
            Quote: Mih1974
            I also want to remind you that China has ALREADY started its expansion, while in Africa and continue to sit "on the mountain and wait for the trap of the tiger" we should not

            I agree, they should not. But what do you offer?
            Quote: Mih1974
            In fact, in the contract we "sell" what we have a Military Authority, which China cannot boast of now. You are suggesting that we sit on the shore even more until the Chinese Army surpasses ours and they can really look at us as a victim.

            And if we join this union, then during joint exercises, etc. we will quickly transfer everything we have and make ourselves a victim even faster
            Quote: Mih1974
            Again, do not distort, I do not offer technology transfer

            I perfectly understand that you do not offer this. You just do not understand that this will be a consequence of your union. China is already exerting tremendous pressure on us, and frankly throwing it with military technology. He is politically pushing the supply of small batches of weapons in order to copy them at home, and we can do nothing about it. Su-xnumx, su-xnumx is an example of this. So the military alliance will greatly simplify China is its extortion.
            Quote: Mih1974
            Again, negotiating with China "not to steal" it is better to be allies (when they are interested in us)

            There is only one problem - they are not interested in us. They don’t need us, they’re interested in something that we have, but they don’t (the latest military technologies, combat skills, Siberia, etc.) and they talk to us more or less on equal terms, while we have it yes, but they don’t. The military alliance only helps to ensure that they have it too. There is no need to build illusions - China will not get into our European affairs
            1. +3
              6 September 2018 00: 48
              I fully support the respected Andrew on all counts!

              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              There is no need to build illusions - China will not climb into our European affairs
              That's right, he is not interested at all; he is interested in trading with the West, but he climbs constantly in Azait affairs, and most importantly - in any case he will climb IN OUR Asian affairs, Russia will weaken a little ...

              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The military alliance will not change the geopolitics of China, they will still and always consider Siberia as a future part of themselves. And if we relax here ... Then the military alliance will be broken, and the Chinese will take Siberia.
              This is the country! I saw Chinese maps of Siberia where PART OF RUSSIA is already shown as a supposed or affiliated part of the PRC !!! I have not seen either American or European maps with the annexation zones of Russia ... Why do we need such an ally? to make it as with Germany - an alliance in 1939 - and 22 June 41?
  5. +1
    4 September 2018 22: 43
    The scale is really very large, but the Russian military prefers to compare the current exercises with the West 81 maneuvers.


    Even if the amperialists do not relax there, the RF Armed Forces have only become angrier and picky about "progressive mankind" and the friendship of "brothers"
  6. 0
    6 September 2018 06: 31
    and add Germany and the remaining BRICS countries to the alliance ;-)
  7. -1
    6 September 2018 21: 37
    Rumors of a fright of the Germans are clearly exaggerated. Currently, Germany is much more concerned about the new policy of the US administration providing for the imposition of sanctions against European companies and concerns.
  8. +2
    7 September 2018 13: 02
    There will be no alliance with June Guo. For several reasons. The main thing is the rejection of a similar Celestial Empire. Second, the conceit of the Russian elite. The third is multidirectional. If China is building developed capitalism, using socialist methods, then in Russia there is a XNUMX% collapse of the social system, living conditions are deteriorating, and the government is clearly anti-people.

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