Now on 16 km. Israeli Spike missiles increased range

Israeli Spike missiles increased the range of destruction. The company-developer Rafael Advanced Defense Systems has announced the development of a new modification of the Spike ER rocket, Warspot reports with reference to the janes.com portal.

According to the company, the new version of the rocket was named Spike ER2 and is an exact copy of the Spike ER rocket. ER2 has a two-way radio communication system, and the fiber-optic cable has been extended to 10 km, compared to the Spike ER version, whose cable length was 8 kilometers. Thanks to the installed radio communication system, the new version of the rocket, when launched from a helicopter, is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 16 km, while the operator has the ability to control the rocket in flight and re-target it throughout the flight. Earlier, when the fiber-optic cable was ending, the rocket went into "shot and forget" mode.

Spike is a family of missiles designed by the Israeli company Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to destroy armored vehicles, protected objects and engineering structures, as well as surface targets and enemy manpower. A rocket shot is conducted in three modes: “Shot and forget,” “Shot, notice and correct,” “Shot and sent.”

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[Alexey-74]

Note to our systems that Israel has recently intensified

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Alexey-74

something has intensified Israel recently

So after all, it has long been correctly noticed that humanity is incredibly inventive in the invention / improvement of methods for destroying its own kind. And if profit can also be made on this ... Israel, by the way, is far from alone in this matter.

[Sxron]

Quote: bouncyhunter

And if profit can also be made on this ..

Now "tovaischi from Israel" will start showing off Pasha! Do not feed them matzo, but such a noise begins on such articles .. We'd better read silently and be careful ..)))

[Shahno]

Better we are silent. Let us talk about the results of using Spike in real hostilities ... And huge demand.

[Mih1974]

Taki Vi never tried Matsu - rare trash. Imagine: cardboard, so fragile, tasteless, well, here absolutely NO.
And yet, believe me - in the coffin of the yazrei, single out this maz if there is a choice to change it to a loaf or German pork shank with cabbage

(yes, they eat pork too).

[NIKN]

A bit weak for now. they need to do a cable longer and a lot ...

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: NIKNN

A bit weak for now. they need to do a cable longer and a lot ...

And in vain you measure the distance to Moscow. Israel is not ally to us in the war against terrorism (they have their own concept in this regard), but at least they are not enemies. Strong neutrality in the Middle East with them is the key to peace in the region. They understand that. It’s a pity you don’t understand this.

[Aaron Zawi]

This is an updated line from RAFAEL

Range:
Spike SR - 1.5 km
Spike LR2 - 5.5 km (10 km from helicopter)
Spike ER2 - 10 km (16 km from helicopter)
Spike NLOS - 30 km

Mass of missiles in the container:
Spike SR - 9.6 kg (does not require PU)
Spike LR2 - 12.7 kg (+ 13 kg PU)
Spike ER2 - 34 kg (+ 30 kg PU)
Spike NLOS - 71 kg (+ 150 kg PU)

[tasha]

Well, they’re cunning .. And tell us about the reel on which you were able to wind 10 km of cable .. For me to spin, honestly, honestly ...

[merkava-2bet]

There are options for missiles without a VOL connection, a secure radio channel, and I’ve decided to catch a megalodon spinning here.

[san4es]

New addition to the Spike family:
Spike LR-5 multipurpose guided missile system

[Wedmak]

Yeah, a very dangerous rocket, it flies into the window. We have no analogues, sort of like? With TV guidance.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Wedmak

Nda

Yes Denis, the same emotions. armored vehicles with such means of destruction in general can sink into oblivion. It remains to hope for KAZ.

[Shahno]

According to the executive director of Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, the US Army has signed a contract worth almost $ 200 million to receive the Israeli Trophy active tank protection system, which will be installed on US M1 Abrams infantry tanks.

[dauria]

Yes Denis, the same emotions. armored vehicles with such means of destruction in general can sink into oblivion.

Don’t worry, rather, army aviation with its 16th km will sink into (generally somewhere out there). The air defense line is also moving slowly. It was 4 km, then 8, now 12 km. At the helicopter and in the air, life is short, and airdromes immediately kirdyk. From a clean field you won’t fight, it’s a fairy tale. Goryuchka is needed, bombs and missiles are needed, you can’t get rid of cars - you need a railway. And the tank will survive a nuclear strike 500 meters from the epicenter, and everything flying away will blow away like crumbs from the table. To bury tanks early.

And the experience of the last "clashes" with MANPADS (even though Syria and ours and the Turks, even Ukraine, even Africa) shows that helicopters will soon be left only to carry footcloths to the rear.

[Vadim237]

In Ukraine and Syria from MANPADS shot down one junk, in which only one OSU were.

[ljoha_d]

Yes, well done good weapon!

[Aaron Zawi]

Azerbaijan has already experienced the LR2.

[Yujanin]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Azerbaijan has already experienced the LR2.

Tested and adopted. The final word for the forester.

[Semurg]

Quote: Yujanin

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Azerbaijan has already experienced the LR2.

Tested and adopted. The final word for the forester.

They bought a good ATGM, but were they able to get a production license? Bolot wrote our MO some Serbian ATGM bought with a production license, but I think ours will be simpler and less long-range.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Semurg

They bought a good ATGM, but were they able to get a production license?

There is no production. Only in the UAV part is there a joint factory.

Quote: Semurg

but I think ours will be simpler and less long-range.

well, it’s even funny to compare them. Israel has made great progress in this regard. And by the way, after the April battles, when these ATGMs showed themselves very well, an even larger batch of NLOS was purchased, which is 25 km. And they seem to be only in the Israeli and Azerbaijani armies. Although there are other anti-tank systems in the army. But Spikes do not give conscripts.

[Semurg]

Aliyev recently said that only in the Russian Federation a purchase of over 5 billion greens. After the April battles, as I understand it, your line infantry is either poorly trained or poorly motivated, in general conscripts are not pulled. You work closely with the Israelis as they teach and motivate them to apply at home.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Semurg

Aliyev recently said that only in Russia a purchase of over 5 billion greenery

this was said a long time ago and several times. The media outlined the mentioned mention of Aliyev as a sensation. And all the armaments under these contracts have been fulfilled. Now an order is being made for Polonaise and the Israeli air defense systems and not only. Usually the most secret deliveries in Israel.

Quote: Semurg

After the April battles, as I understand it, your line infantry is either poorly trained or poorly motivated, in general conscripts are not pulled.

Everything was fine with motivation. There was a mistake and betrayal (by the way, they shot everyone and sent the bodies to their families). The Special Forces General of the Mirzoyev because of this almost shot the commander of the ground forces, who was late with the reinforcements that the special forces had captured, although they shouldn’t to do.

Quote: Semurg

You work closely with the Israelis as they teach and motivate them to apply at home.

We don’t work with Israel in this area. Here Turkey and believe me what’s ahead, but Turkey’s motivation is ahead of everyone. And everything is excellent in the army with motivation.
The exercises of the Turkish and Azerbaijani air forces in Turkey, MiG-29 Su-25 and Mi-35 are currently being held.
Pay attention to Chevron at 01:16 by the ancient Türkic Runic in the middle written TÜRK, and on top of One people are two states.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Yeraz

And by the way, after the April battles, when these ATGMs showed themselves very well, an even larger batch of NLOS was purchased, and this is 25 km. And they seem to be only in the army of Israel and Azerbaijan. Although there are other ATGMs in the army. But Spikes are not given to conscripts.

NLOS is definitely still in Colombia, South Korea and the Philippines.

[Yeraz]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

NLOS is definitely still in Colombia, South Korea and the Philippines.

well, besides Korea, these two countries surprised. Especially the Philippines, who did not have the required number of small arms and equipment to suppress the rebels and received help from different countries and bah such an expensive and technological thing in the form of NLOS.

[Yujanin]

The "Spike" system proved itself to be excellent in the Karabakh battle.

[tasha]

Spike - yes, it has proven itself. And you, two neighbors, no .. I propose to divide the disputed territories into sectors and choose their affiliation at random ... I understand that for some it’s not sectors, but native land with the graves of their ancestors .. But now the graves of young people are added there men ... Agree already ..

[Yujanin]

Arrange already ..

We can already say agreed. Pashinyan came and put an end to all agreements. Now look for wind in the field.

[uhu189]

And what exactly have almost agreed on?

[Yeraz]

Quote: uhu189

+1
And what exactly have almost agreed on?

Yes, they didn’t agree on anything. It was just that there were rumors in 2 countries that Sargsyan was ready to cede 5 of the 7 occupied regions around Nagorno-Karabakh and that Pashinyan came and all efforts to zero and all over again. Another bike to justify the situation in which there is NOTHING it doesn’t happen and the co-chairmen do nothing, they just go on high in Karabakh, then in Yerevan, and then in Baku)))

[Yeraz]

Quote: tasha

I understand that for some it’s not a sector, but a native land with the graves of their ancestors ..

here is the answer to your question.

[Samara_63]

Apparently the anti-tank unit of the Tsakhal Givati ​​brigade is equipped with Spike missiles ... These missiles can now raid long distances of the entire brigade, you can even cut a corridor through Iraq to Iran ... their tanks will do nothing, the only thing that the Tsakhal reconnaissance needs to identify artillery batteries to protect yourself from fire raid ... Iranian Air Force is also not scared ...

[gurta]

They say that recently the cases of Jews leaving Russia for permanent residence in Israel have become more frequent. That increased the range.

[Professor]

... a also improved the multi-mode seeker and improved penetration. Moreover, the new missile can be used with any PU of the Spike family.

PS
"More than 30 Spikes have been sold in total," reads this article.

[Yeraz]

Quote: professor

"More than 30 Spikes have been sold in total," reads this article.

not a bad indicator. And how much is exported and how much is it? For Azerbaijan, 100 wiki shows the wiki in Azerbaijan.

[Professor]

https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/185802.html

.... Since then, there have been reports of the purchase of 1,000 "Gil-2" for SV AOI and their use in Apache helicopters of the Air Force.

Rafael notes that approximately 30 countries sold around 30,000 ATGMs of the Spike family. More than 5,000 missiles of the family have already been released in combat conditions and in exercises (including AOI).

[Dzafdet]

I wonder how the operator without cable 6 km control performs? With a laser?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Dzafdet

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I wonder how the operator without cable 6 km control performs? With a laser?

Most likely on the radio ...

[ljoha_d]

Israel as always on top!

[Poruchikgt]

Can anyone explain why we need a rocket that flies to the target for half an hour? During this time, the situation on the battlefield can change dramatically. Any car in that time will leave for 20 km and how then to look for the target? If you need to destroy a fixed target, then why use a weak rocket for 200 000 dollars when there is cheap artillery? Either this is a narrowly special machine, or they don’t finish something with us. :)))))))))

[merkava-2bet]

Dear, the simplest calculations show: the range is 16 km, the average flight speed is 200-250 m / s, we take the speed of 200 m / s, the flight time to the maximum range, taking into account the start and acceleration times, is approximately 100-120 seconds, and along a quasi-ballistic trajectory, and where is half an hour.
Second, the operator throughout the flight observes through a rocket, or rather through a thermal imaging seeker, and the rocket has a wide field of view, so if you don’t have a helicopter, then hell where the Barmalei will go, he himself was present at a real military engagement, although the range was 7200 meters , but it doesn’t change the essence, until the moment the rocket hits the operator’s jeep and we even saw the faces of these terrorists.

[Poruchikgt]

Spike speed 130 - 180 m \ s. About half an hour I exaggerated it. But in 2 minutes of rocket flight for 16 km, the car will leave for 2 km. Are you sure you can track it? And to peel on the windows - this is please, that it will be a little expensive for 2 km, that for 20 km.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: PoruchikGT

Why do we need a rocket that flies to the target for half an hour? During this time, the situation on the battlefield can change dramatically,

Duc, drones and fly with less speed; but nothing ..... are used!
And the speed of the "spikes" "reflects" the concept of using this weapon. If only the principle "fire and forget" were used, then yes ... it is useful "and it is possible to increase the speed. But with "manual" guidance or "fired, controlled, corrected," high speed can interfere with the accuracy and selectivity of guidance. It is this speed (and the guidance principle ...) that allows you to effectively use "spikes" on "monochromatic" landscapes, in populations. points, to minimize the loss of civilians ("We are not animals!" - said the New Zealand cannibals to Captain Cook ...). And I will keep quiet about the speed limits of fiber-optic communication lines ...

[Professor]

Quote: PoruchikGT

Can anyone explain why we need a rocket that flies to the target for half an hour? During this time, the situation on the battlefield can change dramatically. Any car in that time will leave for 20 km and how then to look for the target? If you need to destroy a fixed target, then why use a weak rocket for 200 000 dollars when there is cheap artillery? Either this is a narrowly special machine, or they don’t finish something with us. :)))))))))

1. The combat use of the long-range Spike in 2006. Count the time.

2. The first generation of Spikes had a different wing shape and they were faster, which was their disadvantage as the operator had less time to correct the guidance if necessary. "At the request of the workers" the rocket was made slower.

[Poruchikgt]

1. Who told you that Spike in the video flew at full range?
2. The speed of the rocket is not made at the request of the workers, but solely to ensure a given flight range. This is a calculated value; it depends on a dozen parameters, including mass, energy, and aerodynamic ones.
Please don't talk nonsense about "workers' requests".
The flight speed of missiles with a reeling coil is limited precisely by the speed of winding of this coil itself, and not by the size of the wings or the reaction of the operator.
And finally. The execution time of a combat mission is a critical parameter. After the launch of ATGMs, the position of PUs, as a rule, is detected both visually and from drones. A missile flying at a target of half an hour to the range of everything, in everything, in 16 km is a means of combating the Papuans, and not with the modern army, and the radio command command system is generally from poverty and hopelessness.
PS
At the expense of getting into the window: A Cornet at a distance of 10km must fall into the square 0,5x0,5m this is the same window, but the time to complete a combat mission is 2 times less and the power 3 times higher.

[Professor]

Quote: PoruchikGT

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1. Who told you that Spike in the video flew at full range?

1. The maximum range in 2006 was 25 km, now 30 km.
2. The one who posted the video said. He also said where exactly the rocket was used and even to what height it rose.

Quote: PoruchikGT

2. The speed of the rocket is not made at the request of the workers, but solely to ensure a given flight range. This is a calculated value; it depends on a dozen parameters, including mass, energy, and aerodynamic ones.

It was at the request of the "workers" that the rocket's speed was reduced by adding expanding wings in the second generation of the UFO Spikes (AKA Tamuz). In the first generation, the operator did not always have time to aim at the target or correct the target. Now there are fewer such problems. In 2006 alone, more than 600 Tamuz were applied.

Quote: PoruchikGT

Please don't talk nonsense about "workers' requests".

It is the "working people" who make the weather here. So, for example, Tavor was altered many times until the "workers" were satisfied, or, for example, the Merkava was generally created by the "workers" themselves.

Quote: PoruchikGT

The flight speed of missiles with a reeling coil is limited precisely by the speed of winding of this coil itself, and not by the size of the wings or the reaction of the operator.

Coil on tamuz? This is something new.

Quote: PoruchikGT

And finally. The execution time of a combat mission is a critical parameter. After the launch of ATGMs, the position of PUs, as a rule, is detected both visually and from drones. A missile flying at a target of half an hour to the range of everything, in everything, in 16 km is a means of combating the Papuans, and not with the modern army, and the radio command command system is generally from poverty and hopelessness.

1. After the start of the ATGM, the position of the launcher is NOT detected either visually or from drones, since the entire Spike family can be used out of line of sight (from behind the hill) and it is not realistic to detect anything at a distance of 30 km. So far, drones in each battalion are only for those who have Spikes themselves, and not for their enemies. Moreover, Spikes have a "shot and dump" mode. That is, while you are reacting on the PU position, there will be no one there. It is also worth mentioning that no laser illumination is required although such a function is present.
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2. The rocket flies not for 16, but for 30 km and not for half an hour, but for a maximum of 150 seconds. Hello "Papuans". By the way, the speed of the Cornet, which has no analogues in the world, is not much higher.

Quote: PoruchikGT

At the expense of getting into the window: A Cornet at a distance of 10km must fall into the square 0,5x0,5m this is the same window, but the time to complete a combat mission is 2 times less and the power 3 times higher.

1. "Obliged" or "Hit"? 0.5x0.5 m at a distance of 10 m is complete nonsense. At x000, the Kornet's scope is impossible to keep the mark on such a small target. At a distance of 20 m, turning the PU by only one tenth of a degree (vibration, shaking, nerves) will cause the beam to shift by 10 m. The protractor is in your hands.
2. The Cornet speed is 250-300 m / s, Spike 180-220 m / s, which is not 2 times faster. The Cornet really needs to be in a hurry since the operator exposes himself to enemy fire throughout the entire cycle of using anti-tank systems.
3. Power is not 3 times greater, but by 30%. Yes, and Spike does not need the same power as Cornet, so he attacks the target not bluntly in the forehead, but in the roof, the weakest defended part of the tank.

[Poruchikgt]

And what does Tamuz have to do with it. Finally discussed that ER. The speed of Spikes with a cable is very limited and makes 130 - 180 m \ s. Otherwise, the cable simply cannot stand it. However, it was:
1. How to detect a target at 16 000 range? (it’s very simple, if you shoot at the city in which you live and shoot not at a moving target, but at a house that does not run away anywhere, how to look for a target in an unfamiliar area, which direction to shoot :))
2. Such a long-range missile, in principle, cannot have a homing mode, otherwise you will first have to drag the missile into the target zone by the FPS, and then hope that it captures something there by itself. (ZhPS guidance systems in modern warfare are a complete failure)
3. If there is no homing, then the operator sits for all three minutes where he made the launch. From the drone, the launch site is detected quite stably, even if the operator is behind a hill or beyond the horizon. (in three minutes, the missile launch site can be "rolled out" guaranteed)

Conclusion: this rocket is against the Papuans living on the next street.

[Professor]

Quote: PoruchikGT

And what does Tamuz have to do with it. Finally discussed that ER. The speed of Spikes with cable is very limited and amounts to 130 - 180 m / s. Otherwise, the cable simply cannot stand it.

What's the difference? Their speed is the same, and ER has a radio control channel, so there is no need for a coil. Nevertheless, they did not increase the speed so that the operator had time to "think". By the way, Spike's speed is 180-220 m / s.

Quote: PoruchikGT

1. How to detect a target at 16 000 range? (it’s very simple, if you shoot at the city in which you live and shoot not at a moving target, but at a house that does not run away anywhere, how to look for a target in an unfamiliar area, which direction to shoot :))

If the target is within line of sight, then for a helicopter this is not a problem.
About an unfamiliar city video above where a rocket hits the window.

Quote: PoruchikGT

2. Such a long-range missile, in principle, cannot have a homing mode, otherwise you will first have to drag the missile into the target zone by the FPS, and then hope that it captures something there by itself. (ZhPS guidance systems in modern warfare are a complete failure)

In principle, it cannot, but in practice it is. Show video?

ZhPS on Spikes by the way is not present. The operator either sees the target or uses reconnaissance data. There is also the option of laser illumination from an advanced observer.

Quote: PoruchikGT

3. If there is no homing, then the operator sits for all three minutes where he made the launch. From the drone, the launch site is detected quite stably, even if the operator is behind a hill or beyond the horizon. (in three minutes, the missile launch site can be "rolled out" guaranteed)

Not all three minutes, but until he is convinced that he has chosen the desired target. Then he can do legs. In contrast to the non-analogous world of Cornet, Spike has a soft start and can be used from shelters or premises. Good luck in finding ATGM.

Quote: PoruchikGT

Conclusion: this rocket is against the Papuans living on the next street.

If I were you, I wouldn’t speak of the Russian army like that. You don’t have drones in every battalion? Why is there a battalion ...

[Mentat]

Quote: Wedmak

Yeah, a very dangerous rocket, it flies into the window. We have no analogues, sort of like? With TV guidance.

More precisely, there is no budget for a gourmet style for mass equipment of troops, as well as a practical sector of application, which is more important:
in practice, 2+ generation rockets against a low-tech enemy show results no worse than the 3rd, moreover, in that context their characteristics are undeniably better ("dumb", but powerful and fast rocket). The clash of high-tech opponents is not even considered now.

In other words, products of generation 3 onwards now occupy the niche of very expensive special-purpose equipment and are more a means of doing business than a means of warfare.

Which does not cancel, of course, their development. Actually, they do not represent any huge complexity, they are simply expensive in production.
With the cheapening of expensive components, these funds can become massive, now it is more PR, delights and gesheft.

[Mentat]

Quote: Mentat

The clash of high-tech opponents is not even considered now.

However, the exercises, which are impressive in scale, are successful in Russia and, importantly, regularly, demonstrating their readiness to repel aggression in any scenario.