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The Chief of the General Staff took up the "restoring order" in the army

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The chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Valery Gerasimov, demanded that district commanders, branches of troops, formations and units cease the practice of breaking service time in troops, reports Kommersant.




This is stated in the letter of the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation No. 312 / 2 / 6382, sent to the troops of August 17. The letter is based on the results of a large-scale verification in the troops.

The document notes the inability of a number of commanders to plan a working day and correctly distribute tasks. From now on, commanders are forbidden to hold meetings at night, weekends, and holidays; in addition, they have been instructed to eliminate the practice of detaining subordinates in the service “before the departure of the leadership”, as well as finding military personnel at work sites during off-duty hours.

In addition, according to the general, there are still cases when the officer corps conducts “vacations at a unit”, when the servicemen, being formally on vacation, continue to fulfill their duties at the request of senior commanders.

It also continues the practice of setting tasks with minimum deadlines (“immediately”, “by morning”, “by Monday”), which leads to a violation of the working hours, the involvement of military personnel to work at night and on weekends.

According to the General Staff, the most unfavorable situation in this area is in the Southern Military District, Central Military District and the Main Command of the All-Union Federation of the Russian Federation.

According to a newspaper source, the reason for the check was a large number of appeals to the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense. Many complaints referred to irregular work schedules and difficulties in obtaining a fixed weekend. He noted that the increased requirements for personnel are right, but one should not "go too far", otherwise the army will start losing qualified servicemen.
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  1. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 3 September 2018 12: 13
    +32
    Has it really come to big stars? But it’s better to be late than never.
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 3 September 2018 12: 17
      -48
      The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.
      1. KLV2018
        KLV2018 3 September 2018 12: 45
        -31
        Quote: Sergey39
        The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

        and they complain.
        But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 3 September 2018 13: 18
          +45
          Quote: KLV2018
          Quote: Sergey39
          The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

          and they complain.
          But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

          And you read the charter, it specifically says about the duration of the office time and how many days off should be and so on, so as not to write such comments. And they complain, because there are still enough commanders and chiefs, especially in remote garrisons who imagine themselves to be appanage princes. And which replace real combat training with various unnecessary and stupid activities, sports events, parades of a drill song and other nonsense, being on duty at inopportune hours - "team rallying" ...
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            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 3 September 2018 14: 02
              +11
              Here it is))) and this is said by people who have been pouring tears for months))) now a new series, they began to teach us how to serve correctly) and also pity those who live worse. Yeah...
              1. KLV2018
                KLV2018 3 September 2018 14: 25
                -35
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                Here it is))) and this is said by people who have been pouring tears for months))) now a new series, they began to teach us how to serve correctly) and also pity those who live worse. Yeah...

                serve silently. we will pay you.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 3 September 2018 14: 46
                  +21
                  Quote: KLV2018
                  serve silently. we will pay you.

                  Prefer to pay the occupiers or what? am
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                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 3 September 2018 19: 49
                        +10
                        Alexander, my respect hi Then temporarily on the site such a chip was registered, even the minuses are a plus to the rating. Therefore, all sorts of things were activated. The alert market still does not work in a long-term mode, the rating is not observed, the minuses plow in the opposite direction. In general - a half a kilometer, but they promised to soon fix everything. More than two weeks have passed - and not a shish. Two weeks after entering the cons, no one’s title on the site has dropped. A legitimate question arises - why did you actually introduce it?
            2. Andrey K
              Andrey K 3 September 2018 16: 54
              +23
              Quote: KLV2018
              ... so quit at 20000 to the factory. and a hut in a mortgage, not a freebie. and live to the age of 65 until retirement.
              stop whining, warriors. so many people live worse than you. and you are still crying ...

              You are famously healthy.
              You are whining here, I don’t like plowing at a factory for 20000 grouse, go to the army - a hut for free, early retirement, salute over the grave will be provided.
              Watch your speech - there’s no way to call you to open your mouth to people in uniform.
              1. KLV2018
                KLV2018 3 September 2018 17: 20
                -12
                Quote: Andrey K
                Quote: KLV2018
                ... so quit at 20000 to the factory. and a hut in a mortgage, not a freebie. and live to the age of 65 until retirement.
                stop whining, warriors. so many people live worse than you. and you are still crying ...

                You are famously healthy.
                You are whining here, I don’t like plowing at a factory for 20000 grouse, go to the army - a hut for free, early retirement, salute over the grave will be provided.
                Watch your speech - there’s no way to call you to open your mouth to people in uniform.

                It’s a shame for my power. and you don’t have to be rude a paper marshal, I’ll put you a plus sign, you’ll become a generalissimo faster.
                The military is an honor, not shoulder straps.
                1. sir_obs
                  sir_obs 3 September 2018 17: 49
                  +16
                  it’s a shame for my power


                  No, my dear, This topic is about how the military complain about life here, this is not the first time that you yourself are full and exaggerating.

                  Either the toad strangles you according to someone else's wealth, or someone offended. Or you are just a provocateur.
                  Wrong place chosen. Go to the Echo, they’ll sprinkle oil on you there.
                2. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 3 September 2018 17: 49
                  +15
                  Quote: KLV2018
                  ... it's a shame for my power. and you don’t have to be rude a paper marshal, I’ll put you a plus sign, you’ll become a generalissimo faster.
                  The military is an honor, not shoulder straps ...

                  In my comment I did not allow a single boorish or insulting word - I said clearly and directly.
                  Go to the army and stop whining, then we'll talk with you about honor.
                  PS About paper marshal and pluses - do not flood, this is not the topic of the article.
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 3 September 2018 19: 13
                    +12
                    Andrew, hi !
                    Do not waste time - you can’t prove anything to him. A man who has not served in the army is trying to judge her, having seen enough of the ensign Shmatko
                3. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 3 September 2018 20: 02
                  +14
                  Quote: KLV2018
                  It’s a shame for my power.

                  You will laugh, but Stainless is insulting for you. wassat
                4. not main
                  not main 3 September 2018 23: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: KLV2018
                  The military is an honor, not shoulder straps.
                  And shoulder straps ... to whom do I explain? Especially about the honor!
              2. Dashout
                Dashout 3 September 2018 20: 25
                +7
                Quote: Andrey K
                You are famously healthy.

                Andrew, this is a provocateur, spit ...
              3. user
                user 4 September 2018 19: 26
                0
                Watch your speech - there’s no way to call you to open your mouth to people in uniform.


                I am wildly sorry, but do not turn the forum into a fig. Knows what. You are not alone in uniform, so behave appropriately.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 7 September 2018 19: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: user
                  ... I am wildly sorry, but do not turn the forum into a fig, knows what. You are not alone in uniform, so behave appropriately ...

                  Apologies are accepted.
                  You, like the same, in uniform, remark - why you allow in your presence, to speak humiliatingly about officers!
            3. Flyer_64
              Flyer_64 3 September 2018 20: 01
              +5
              Quote: KLV2018
              and live to the age of 65 until retirement.
              stop whining, warriors. so many people live worse than you. and you cry

              It's good to live up to 65 years old, and military men barely over 55. You envy the warriors, give them a contract, and there will be a mortgage and "freebies" a little.
            4. Fitter65
              Fitter65 4 September 2018 00: 34
              +8
              Quote: KLV2018
              so quit at 20000 to the factory. and a hut in a mortgage, not a freebie. and live to the age of 65 until retirement.
              stop whining, warriors. so many people live worse than you. and you are crying.

              Yes, we don’t whine, unlike you, we are talking about the imbalances that we have in the Armed Forces. By the way, I’ve been retired for 3 years now, and I really work not for 20000, an auxiliary at the factory, but for a 34-electrician at part It’s true that in order to get this position when he served in a military education, he had enough, but left for a civilian. He had to retrain at his own expense to work where he worked calmly in uniform. So do you want to get a lot of money? Go study, get knowledge, not noise here. And if you learn there are no abilities, then this is no longer for the military. Everything is simple with us - you don’t want to teach, you don’t know how to force. laughing laughing laughing
          2. ssergn
            ssergn 4 September 2018 07: 12
            0
            Quote: Fitter65
            Do you read the charter


            Does he need it? request
        2. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion 3 September 2018 13: 57
          +9
          Quote: KLV2018
          Quote: Sergey39
          The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

          and they complain.
          But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

          And when was the last time you opened the charter? Neither in the oath, nor in the charter has there been such a long time. This is from the charter of the USSR Armed Forces.
          1. KLV2018
            KLV2018 3 September 2018 14: 05
            -17
            Quote: Xscorpion
            Quote: KLV2018
            Quote: Sergey39
            The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

            and they complain.
            But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

            And when was the last time you opened the charter? Neither in the oath, nor in the charter has there been such a long time. This is from the charter of the USSR Armed Forces.

            but in the current charter it is written that they should cry and complain? laughing
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 3 September 2018 14: 51
              +17
              Quote: KLV2018
              Does the current charter state that they should cry and complain?

              A default report form is provided. Apparently, you have never served anywhere. The regulation of official and free time is established for the correct performance of official duties. All events are planned based on established regulations. The first sign of irregular relationships (and this is not only beating, but also left-wing work) is a violation of official regulations.

              That is, the NachSH accused the commanders of covering up unrest.
              1. Flyer_64
                Flyer_64 3 September 2018 20: 09
                +4
                Quote: sogdy
                The first sign of irregular relationships (and this is not only beating, but also left-wing work) is a violation of official regulations.

                This is nonsense. The fish rots from the head. All the whistle in violation of the official hours comes from Moscow. The General Staff himself begins to steer the troops towards the end of the working day, like "give me a report on some shit and quickly," and the chain went. General Staff to districts, districts to troops to commanders, commanders to subunits. The root of the problem lies in not very competent commanders and in the staff structure (the consequences of Serdyukovism).
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 4 September 2018 13: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Letun_64
                  All the whistle in violation of the official hours comes from Moscow. The General Staff himself begins to steer the troops towards the end of the working day, like "give me a report on some shit and quickly," and the chain went.

                  So wildly sorry, you NSh? Znsh? PNS? scribe drill? Where did you get this information firsthand? The processing at the headquarters was in the process of setting up a new replenishment and, for example, in case of anxiety during the Sino-Vietnam events. The time for submitting reports is strictly scheduled, especially in the General Staff, for special communications.
            2. Svarog51
              Svarog51 3 September 2018 20: 05
              +8
              Put your head under the bullets and get out alive - the Charter will become the Constitution, the Bible, the Qur'an, the Kama Sutra and ... well, you’ll complete it yourself. You can challenge the order after it is completed. Here at VO discuss professionals who know this firsthand. Do you feel what I'm talking about?
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 3 September 2018 14: 43
            +5
            Quote: Xscorpion
            This is from the charter of the USSR Armed Forces.

            Well, the USSR Armed Forces charters, starting from the Red Army book, provided for time limits and punishments for non-compliance with them. And the political department was following this with prejudice. And provided for the permissible opposition of subordinates.
        3. sir_obs
          sir_obs 3 September 2018 17: 28
          +4
          and they complain.


          And where is someone complaining? Again, toss the substance onto the fan.
          Take away already, finally.
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        5. Achtaba1970
          Achtaba1970 4 September 2018 18: 47
          0
          In the Charter of the internal service of the RF Armed Forces, there have been no such words "hardships and hardships" for a long time - the military has no hardships and hardships.
      2. Fitter65
        Fitter65 3 September 2018 13: 10
        +32
        Quote: Sergey39
        The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

        And the military and so on wear and tear. But if they do not serve for wear, then you will work for wear, for a bowl of gruel, and as soon as you wear out, then together with the smoke through the chimney of the crematorium of some "demacratic" concentration camp, retire.
        1. KLV2018
          KLV2018 3 September 2018 13: 31
          -20
          Quote: Fitter65
          Quote: Sergey39
          The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

          And the military and so on wear and tear. But if they do not serve for wear, then you will work for wear, for a bowl of gruel, and as soon as you wear out, then together with the smoke through the chimney of the crematorium of some "demacratic" concentration camp, retire.

          poor you are poor.
          only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 3 September 2018 14: 54
            +6
            Quote: KLV2018
            only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.

            AND? Your actions?
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 3 September 2018 15: 36
              +6
              Quote: sogdy
              AND? Your actions?

              he cried on the Internet. laughing in response to these unlawful acts.
            2. KLV2018
              KLV2018 3 September 2018 17: 07
              -8
              Quote: sogdy
              Quote: KLV2018
              only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.

              AND? Your actions?

              persuaded to rearrange his drindulet.
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            3. 22 dmdc
              22 dmdc 4 September 2018 06: 28
              +1
              Do not answer him. Kiryusha did not get lost - he is a troll.
          2. sir_obs
            sir_obs 3 September 2018 17: 30
            +7
            poor you are poor.
            only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.


            Who prevents to become an ensign? Rather, to the draft board, while envy is not completely bogged down.
            1. KLV2018
              KLV2018 3 September 2018 17: 48
              -5
              Quote: sir_obs
              poor you are poor.
              only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.


              Who prevents to become an ensign? Rather, to the draft board, while envy is not completely bogged down.

              Did I do anything bad to you?
              1. sir_obs
                sir_obs 3 September 2018 17: 54
                +7
                Did I do anything bad to you?


                So I seem to be nothing wrong. Become an ensign and you will have something to park on the lawn.
          3. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 3 September 2018 17: 51
            +8
            Colleagues, you understand, KLV 2018 is an ordinary troll. You argue with no one and nothing.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 3 September 2018 19: 50
              +7
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              KLV 2018 is an ordinary troll.

              No, Andrey! He is not "ordinary", but evil, who came to the site to insult you and me. And this is already an enemy. While hidden, not loving his Army, its soldiers. And with the arrival of invaders, such as him, they will be policemen and informants ... Therefore, it is better to destroy them immediately, according to the Smersh principle.
              Aha
            2. Serge Gorely
              Serge Gorely 3 September 2018 19: 53
              +2
              Quote: Shkodnik65
              Colleagues, you understand, KLV 2018 is an ordinary troll. You argue with no one and nothing.

              No, this is not an ordinary troll. Explicitly beckons a greasy embroidered shirt.
          4. Dashout
            Dashout 3 September 2018 20: 29
            +3
            Caution Troll!
          5. Fitter65
            Fitter65 4 September 2018 00: 41
            0
            Quote: KLV2018
            poor you are poor.
            only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.

            Yes, life has failed, you. Yes, many ensigns having arrived from the next business trip, from Syria can afford Kruzak, well, or something better. You deserve it, you didn’t go there, but they were sent by order of magnitude. I have a friend, a military pensioner, like I also have Kruzak, and what's wrong with that? And there are many who, not only the military, have kruzaks in our area, and even about the horror of Gelika, and so what? They are also to blame for what you get at the factory 20000?
      3. svp67
        svp67 3 September 2018 14: 53
        +8
        Quote: Sergey39
        The military did not seem to increase the retirement period?

        Do not worry, will soon increase ...
        Quote: Sergey39
        Let them work for wear.

        You might think that somehow it was different. Very many, five years after retirement, and this is when they die in 50 years, very many ...
        1. KLV2018
          KLV2018 3 September 2018 17: 13
          -11
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Sergey39
          The military did not seem to increase the retirement period?

          Do not worry, will soon increase ...
          Quote: Sergey39
          Let them work for wear.

          You might think that somehow it was different. Very many, five years after retirement, and this is when they die in 50 years, very many ...

          Well, the retirement period will not be increased. otherwise they will again run away from the army.
          and about 50 years, it depends on who served where.
          we have a lot of military pensioners in our city and many of them are in very good shape.
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      4. Rav Rav
        Rav Rav 3 September 2018 22: 59
        +1
        Increased by five years!
        1. Rav Rav
          Rav Rav 3 September 2018 23: 01
          +1
          And quiet such an order.
    2. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 3 September 2018 12: 27
      -7
      The NGSH itself has grown a belly, a bad example ... As for the extra time, if the officer cannot cope, so is the additional time for the benefit of the service and without overkill, a possible monetary reward for the additional time of service. The USSR Armed Forces began to fall apart and discipline fell sharply, when an 8-hour working day was introduced for officers and warrant officers, then after 18 hours in the barracks, hazing sharply increased, for they remained under the command of conscripts sergeants and "old men". The duty officer could not interfere alone. such decomposition in divisions .. I think. that history will repeat itself again ..
      1. Nikolai Petrov
        Nikolai Petrov 3 September 2018 12: 38
        +28
        This is not a directly mandatory 8 hour. Service is a service, especially with personnel. There are problems in the subdivision - plow it for days, until these outrages are eliminated. And it’s quite possible, don’t put the child-bearing organ in the service and there will be order. Another thing is when they stupidly sit doing nothing until 20, 21, 22 hours. The sense of these seats was not and never will be.
      2. Shkiper
        Shkiper 3 September 2018 12: 52
        +19
        Regarding extracurricular time, if an officer fails, so is extra time for the benefit of the service, and without going too far
        Excuse me, what officer? Platoon, company, battalion commander? If the battalion commander or his chief of staff did not set the task correctly, did not provide the resources in time to complete this task, what does the platoon or company commander have to do with it? An example from my own experience, 95-96 years I decided to conduct an experiment on myself. I did everything during the working day according to the schedule. By 18.00 I had time to do everything. Approaching the "bull", good for the gathering? And in response to bleating, like the commander is still on board. We still had the commander. Once at a meeting of officers I vyaknul that we are paid for the complexity and tension, so we do not have a standardized working day. And who does not want to receive this "complexity" write a report, they will go home at 18.00. I wrote the report and filed it on command, the report was procrastinated for a week, but the "chief mate" did not go further.
        USSR Armed Forces began to fall apart and discipline fell dramatically when they introduced an 8-hour working day for officers and warrant officers
        The mess began from the moment when the reporting of offenses was introduced. They began to determine the service of an officer (commander) not by the results of the conducted exercises, but by the disciplinary card of a soldier of his unit. In the place of discipline, through the "lip" and "disbat", they began to close this gap with the personal time of officers and warrant officers. It's easier that way. A normal commander has enough of everything at the right time and for all the time, but the negligent one excuse, "There was not enough time." Believe me, Vladimir, for 8 years "sat" on the "2 shift". (This is when home only for the night, every other day)
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 3 September 2018 13: 25
          +11
          Quote: Shkiper
          It's easier that way. A normal commander has enough of everything at the right time and for all the time, but the negligent one excuse, "There was not enough time." Believe me, Vladimir, for 8 years "sat" on the "2 shift". (This is when home only for the night, every other day)

          Civilians can't understand this, and it's hard to explain. They have one argument - "You yourself have chosen such a fate!" As if they were forbidden to go to serve in the army, but they were forcibly sent to work for civilian life, but forced to study in various professions ...
        2. Angina
          Angina 3 September 2018 13: 50
          +2
          You, Alexander, are a brave person - not many would have decided on such an act either during the USSR Armed Forces (judging by the officers during their urgent), or today. Already in recent times I have worked in the "AIF" - the federal media. There, too, the entire editorial office sometimes sat for two hours - the editor was still on the floor! At that time I had already cut off a piece, otherwise I would have been sitting too. But I heard an example of a military man for the first time. There would be more of these in the army!
        3. sogdy
          sogdy 3 September 2018 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Shkiper
          To the point of guidance

          Quote: Shkiper
          Wrote a report filed on command

          Hmm. It is not surprising that the report "farther than the chief officer" did not go away. What, did you have someone higher than the senior officer in terms of personnel?
          1. Shkiper
            Shkiper 3 September 2018 15: 58
            +1
            What are you talking about? You distinguish the report (stress on "O") from the statement ?!
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 4 September 2018 13: 58
              0
              Quote: Shkiper
              You distinguish the report (stress on "O") from the statement ?!

              I’m still supposed to write reports (with emphasis on A) to the curators, and not complaints and statements. But you still did not answer about the review authorities.
              1. Shkiper
                Shkiper 4 September 2018 16: 49
                0
                I did not reach the ship's commander, the first mate imposed a resolution: "There is no such article in the charter of the KU VMF-78 that would deprive me of complexity and tension." Complexity and tension continued to pay, as did the 2-shift seating.
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 3 September 2018 15: 44
          +10
          Quote: Shkiper
          Approaching the "bull", good for the gathering?

          I don't know about the others, but in the years 77-82 on the ships of the 1st rank there was an iron 3 shift. Even "big gatherings" happened. There have always been constructions in the saloon of a large saloon for descending and providing shifts. Briefing the support shift, reporting the descending order - it was an iron rule on ships of rank 1 in the Northern Fleet. On the submarine, everything is simpler there: the duty shift aboard, providing the crew to the barracks. The rest are in accordance with the "approved plan" ... Well, if you made a mistake, then your conscience would not allow you to escape from the ship without completing what you started to the end. They served not for fear, but "conscientiously," as the political commander used to say ... And no one complained. There was enough room for everyone in the Ocean or The Seagull. And the patrol was not particularly spiteful ... And in the service they were promoted regularly and the youth were taught by their own example, and not "do as I said!" Everything was undermined by the bohrenism of the 90s when the Union collapsed. Then many went to civilian life ... There were those who "did not go anywhere" ... But the motivation for service was killed ... Therefore, 95-96 are already fragments of the old iron naval system ... Yes, probably in the country of not frightened aborigines - TOFe ... Then everything is clear.
          And now "democracy" and an 8-hour working day ... But the 3-shift is back. Therefore, as in that rhyme about 25 years of service: "Don't bother about the difficulties of service. There are 25 - send everyone to the (vagina), no - go to (the phalos) yourself."
          PS. Admins, I hope they will not consider medical terms "obscenities". And then again you will have to sit in the bath until all sins are washed away. By the way, why is there no parole for "exemplary behavior" (like writing an article on the forum or something else interesting?)
          IMHO.
          1. Shkiper
            Shkiper 3 September 2018 15: 54
            +3
            I agree on "Sashka" and "Murmansk" there was a three-shift and on "Kiev" before they were written off, but on the "dogs" she was not born. By the way, "The Seagull" was closed, now there is "Pyaterochka".
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 3 September 2018 19: 30
              +5
              Quote: Shkiper
              "The Seagull" was closed, now there is "Pyaterochka".

              Namesake, I know that. Last year I was at my son's wedding .. I walked through the "places of military glory" ... Severomorsk is unrecognizable, it has grown ... And on the site of "Okean" they made a decent cafe. The menu is excellent and relatively inexpensive.
              A trip to "Kozlograd" is a separate line in delicious colors! fellow
              So, there is something to live for! drinks
              1. Shkiper
                Shkiper 4 September 2018 08: 34
                -1
                My apartment was Sizova 5 (insert), right between the Ocean and The Seagull. In 99 he left, so it was not destined to get there yet, but there is hope. As they said: "Husbands at sea, wives in" Ocean ". drinks
          2. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 3 September 2018 20: 49
            0
            Under the USSR, the fleet had only 30% of the fleet for sailing on weekdays, and 70% for the weekend.
      3. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 3 September 2018 14: 06
        +1
        Will not repeat. Yes, and such that you describe on a global scale was not. Discipline fell only among those who frankly scored for service. Those who worked with personnel had no such problems.
        1. Shkiper
          Shkiper 3 September 2018 14: 16
          +2
          I would agree 100% if not for a life example. They wanted to put one "bad fighter" in the "disbat" for a couple of years, but the division commander did not give it, they chose the "limit" for landing, and said so. But he met "100 days" on the lip, but which of us has suffered more, the question ...
      4. svp67
        svp67 3 September 2018 14: 55
        +3
        Quote: Vladimir 5
        The NGS itself has grown a stomach, a bad example ...

        Yes, this is not order, but damn it, his head "cooks" very well. A very "brainy" NGSH with us, at once beats all its "vis-a-vi", with small forces. That has already shown more than once.
      5. sogdy
        sogdy 3 September 2018 15: 02
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 5
        The USSR Armed Forces began to fall apart and discipline fell sharply when they introduced an 8-hour working day for officers and warrant officers, then after 18 hours in the barracks, hazing sharply increased, for they remained under the command of conscripts of sergeants and "old men."

        How! "Psychological problems of hazing" - 1967 edition. Hmm. Apparently, you do not know about the officer on duty.
        And yet I will pachim "18 hours"? Officer divorce at 7:30. It happens before, but not later. Vashcheta, komroty or his deputy arrives at the location of the company half an hour before the rise.
        1. Bad thing
          Bad thing 4 September 2018 09: 31
          0
          Quote: sogdy
          Officer divorce at 7:30. It happens earlier, but not later. Vashcheta, Komroty or his deputy arrives at the location of the company half an hour before the rise.
          Tie a plump.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 4 September 2018 14: 08
            0
            What exactly do you disagree with? With an example and a service area. If anything, I'm an honest and honest boot.
      6. Igoresha
        Igoresha 3 September 2018 19: 03
        +1
        I think so. that the story will repeat again ..
        where it will go, it will be repeated, for the army is a cast of society ... So, more officers are needed - one is sleeping, the second is eradicating bullying in the barracks
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 4 September 2018 14: 12
          0
          Even with 50% of the officers it is. If the officer does not use greyhounds (or they use it). That is, if it does not clog to the service. What they constantly repeat.
    3. free
      free 3 September 2018 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      Has it really come to big stars? But it’s better to be late than never.

      This is a work for the public (army), in connection with the current political situation.
  2. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 3 September 2018 12: 21
    -1
    In 1989, the divisional commander announced: "In the Army, 8 hour working day 8 to noon 8 after"
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 4 September 2018 14: 14
      -1
      "The period between meals cannot exceed five hours" (s)
      And?
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 3 September 2018 12: 24
    +4
    Your service is both dangerous and difficult ..... but the order is above all, the labor legislation is the same for everyone.
  4. Vard
    Vard 3 September 2018 12: 28
    +4
    I hope it works out in the army ... And then in a civilian it already crosses all borders ... Our bosses work at eleven o’clock ... Then in the evenings sits until late ... They have a salary against our current time in ten .. And we leave work after eight in the evening ... and do not even give time off ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 3 September 2018 13: 00
      +3
      I join. Such a driver leaves the building with his hands at 20:00 instead of 18:00, and even scratches his turnip: "Where to go, to whom to surrender?"
      1. nafanal
        nafanal 3 September 2018 13: 07
        +1
        Not a leader, but a leader ..
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2018 15: 54
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      And we leave work after eight in the evening ... and do not even give time off ...

      What does the union do for you? sucks a paw with the boss? Choose a reckless leader who is not afraid of anything as a trade union leader, and in the order of a lawyer a big-headed one - and an amba to your superiors. Do not forget to send a collective complaint to the labor inspectorate and write to the Presidential Administration about lawlessness.! Fight for your rights, take an example from Mussolini (but only in this! And not in fascist twists) and you will come to the victory of capitalist labor! bully
  5. kepmor
    kepmor 3 September 2018 12: 32
    +17
    They tried to normalize work time at all times ... only there was no use and probably will not ...
    as always trying to eliminate not the root cause, but the consequences ...
    the number of directives, instructions and orders descending by higher headquarters and directorates like an endless "avalanche" ... sometimes there was no time even to read and comprehend "these works of parquet" ... and the deadlines for execution and reports, as a rule, ended yesterday .. ...
    the sun over the horizon and in the "land of fools" work began to boil ...
    paperwork in the army and navy is our EVERYTHING ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2018 16: 05
      +3
      Quote: kepmor
      paperwork in the army and navy is our EVERYTHING ...

      Alexey! hi
      Is it friendlier to you, naval, not to know the saying of the great P.S. Nakhimova: "The fleet will be defeated by paper. For the paper wave is much higher than the sea one!"
      In my memory 3-4 times directives and instructions have been issued banning the recovery of excess papers by higher authorities ... On limiting to 3's (!) The number of mandatory reporting documents: BP plan, daily plan, training plan, exercises, exercises .. .
      But all good undertakings slowly drowned in the routine of the headquarters mosquito ...
      There is only one way out - to reduce headquarters in quantity to the control level of the 1 rank ship. In order not to require ecology from the start-up, the scope of the course of the faculty of the Peter the Great Academy ... This is so, by the way. drinks
    2. Shkiper
      Shkiper 4 September 2018 08: 42
      -1
      Yes, God bless this reporting, now any action plan and reporting can be written on a PC in five minutes. This used to be "Yatran" for the whole ship and a clerk with three mistakes in a word, you know which one.
  6. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 3 September 2018 12: 33
    0
    As for me, it’s more visible on the ground. Do it immediately or in the morning. This is an army, not an office. And it will turn out as with education reform.
    1. avt
      avt 3 September 2018 12: 59
      +6
      Quote: igorbrsv
      0
      As for me, it’s more visible on the ground.

      Yeah! Just like
      The toast on the hunt should be short, like a team, like a shot, otherwise there will be no time for rest!
  7. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 3 September 2018 12: 34
    +4
    But bureaucratic grips and a rod of individual bureaucrats. On whom else can you recoup if you were hit on the top of the hat or amuse your evil pride over subordinates.
  8. kenig1
    kenig1 3 September 2018 12: 35
    +13
    I read this order and did not know what emotions to show, cry or laugh. Processing logs have existed since time immemorial, the commander does not care about them, the main thing is to complete the task. Orders are not given, they don’t know where to get the money to pay for processing, and no one will give the weekend. Gerasimov is far away, and the commander is close. So we serve on the principle that the moon has risen and work has begun to boil in the country of fools.
  9. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 3 September 2018 12: 36
    +8
    According to the platoon’s experience, I can say that a week - 5/2 for eight hours - is a dream, absurdity and unreality for a responsible junior commander, especially with conscripts, and outfits with guards in a day, a lot of two did not contribute to such measured service, but this was partially due to cropping parts). And even after, when the platoon stage was completed, the irregularity of the day was in the order of things and more often than not because of kooky bosses. But the undertaking is correct - often such a practice goes off scale and is the purest tyranny of commanders.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 September 2018 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      According to the platoon’s experience, I can say that a week - 5/2 for eight hours - is a dream, absurdity and unreality for a responsible junior commander, especially with conscripts, and outfits with guards in a day, a lot of two did not contribute to such measured service, but this was partially due to cropping parts). And even after, when the platoon stage was completed, the irregularity of the day was in the order of things and more often than not because of kooky bosses. But the undertaking is correct - often such a practice goes off scale and is the purest tyranny of commanders.

      In the 80s, tyranny issues could be resolved at an officer meeting. It didn’t help - they invited comrades from the party commission or the political department of the army, and there were no consequences for the initiators.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 3 September 2018 18: 45
        +3
        In the early 2000s, there were no party commissions ... In general, very often the irregularity of time in service in a "quiet" time most often occurred due to the shortage of officers, ensigns and sergeants - double basses in units (in my personal experience in specific units of specific garrisons ) PS And petty tyranny in the army is indestructible - "as I put on a sword belt, I become stupid and stupid" I personally stupid after my dismissal for two years laughing
  10. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 3 September 2018 12: 37
    +13
    I remembered about planning in the Ministry of Internal Affairs when he was Minister Kulikov, he defended his candidacy on this. Fucking Order No. 433. All inspectors first of all demanded personal Plans and their implementation, they themselves chuckled as a madhouse. Not work on preschool education, not recruiting agents, this is for later, but DAILY PLANS.
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 3 September 2018 12: 50
      +8
      Oh, plans, plans. Further only .... in general there are no literary words about this.
  11. Coronel76
    Coronel76 3 September 2018 12: 40
    +3
    The practice of setting goals with the minimum deadlines (“immediately”, “in the morning”, “by Monday”) also continues.

    I remembered a joke, "Digging from here until lunchtime, I agreed with shovels" smile
  12. bober1982
    bober1982 3 September 2018 12: 48
    +5
    The Soviet Air Force never had a non-standardized working day, everything was strictly on schedule. After all, you won’t be sitting and preparing for the flight when you were allowed to fly, if you weren’t allowed - so sit at least until night, you won’t be allowed anyway. In aviation, such questions were strictly taken, everyone team brack, and everyone quickly went home, they realized that they should not be pulled once again. Now this understanding, apparently, has been lost.
    1. alstr
      alstr 3 September 2018 13: 57
      +2
      This is from a series of tales: Question in a flight school for an exam for long-range aviation.
      What will you do if the war starts now.
      Answer: I’ll go to sleep.
      Question (indignant): Why?
      Answer: According to the instructions, I have to sleep for 8 hours before the flight. "

      In reality, in Soviet times, it would be different.
      The wife’s father (sailor) said that after school for the first time he went ashore (not out of official need) in 2,5 years. The commander did not let go (besides, he was still single).
      And he moved to the headquarters (a team of ships under construction) - everything is like people there - from 9 a.m. to 18 p.m. with weekends. The only thing that when the ships were taken was to plow around the clock, but there were factory ones in the same conditions.

      It all depends on the commander. and If married, then it’s easier to get a day off (no one wants the female team to get dirty in the form of a complaint to higher authorities).

      Speaking really, then work in the army is not much different from working on a project.
      There are also tight schedules, there are performers who need to be motivated.
      One difference. If in ordinary life, when force majeure occurs (rather than the commander’s desire), dates can be shifted (not always of course), then in the army this is usually impossible.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 3 September 2018 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: alstr
        In reality, in Soviet times, it would be different.

        Yes, it was in different ways, and the Soviet era itself was different, and the aviation included a supply battalion, a security company, a medical unit and much more, with its own orders and laws, but as for the pilots and flight crews, the attitude was careful For example, it was possible to pass physical training even for a "count", it would not have made any negative impression on the command, since they understood that all this did not affect the quality of takeoff and landing. There were many such examples (drill, chemical protection, etc. the like), and therefore did not sit out at the headquarters.
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 September 2018 22: 30
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      The Soviet Air Force never had a non-standardized working day, everything was strictly on schedule.

      Well, I don’t know where such jokes came from:
      "Eight hour working day: eight to eight"
      "Two days off: one in summer, the other in winter."
      "From light eleven to twelve".
      Seriously, in the PribVO fighter aviation regiment there were periods of up to two months without days off, the working week could be eighty hours, due to the "peculiarities of the base" ("like a working day, so the weather is not flying") "the commander in chief personally" allowed to fly on Saturday and Sunday (although this was strictly prohibited by his own order).
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    1. Shkiper
      Shkiper 3 September 2018 14: 26
      +1
      in the regiment meeting at 16.00. Hours 1,5-3
      Having become the commander of the ship, one of my good mentors told me that the meeting should last 40 minutes. maximum. Then comes the "collective farm meeting, which turns into a talking shop."
  14. tasha
    tasha 3 September 2018 13: 07
    +8
    The practice of setting goals with the minimum deadlines (“immediately”, “in the morning”, “by Monday”) also continues.


    An insignificant incident crashed into my memory.
    On behalf of the general, I and the Red Army took and transported the first mortar to the warehouse, which arrived at the division. Panfilov wanted to see the mortar.
    I shouted from the window to the Red Army who was helping me:
    - Take the mortar from the warehouse here. More likely! To be here in five minutes!
    Turning, I saw that Panfilov squinted at me. It was the same ironic look under which I once blushed.
    “Five minutes later, comrade Momysh-Ula, he will not have time,” said the general. Panfilov did not add anything to this. But I was struck by this simple remark.
    How many times have I, without thinking, shouted like this: "In five minutes." But Panfilov thought.

    A. Bek "Volokolamsk highway" ...


    Some commanders blur the line between demanding and tyranny. Probably a professional disease of any army at all times .. It’s good that military leaders of this rank pay attention to such features of army life, and it’s bad, since special instructions were needed ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 5 September 2018 11: 21
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Some commanders blur the line between demanding and tyranny.

      The team structure is not formed spontaneously, but in the process of artificial selection. Higher-level structures form lower-level structures and carry out personnel selection for their tasks. And the selection is most often negative. What is perceived as "tyranny" is, in fact, a necessary quality to pass the filter.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 September 2018 13: 50
    -1
    All is correct. An army should not be a prison for serving a sentence.
    Do not cope, take a rest. In your place will take the one who copes.
    And then at first storming, and then redo everything.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 3 September 2018 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      Do not cope, take a rest. In your place will take the one who copes.

      Look at the understaffing of primary officer positions in the Army. You will drive out the "combat number", and who will you put on guard, on patrol, on duty instead of him? So the commander knocks around with such grief-assistants in the hope of re-education or correction ... Fortunately, you can not renew such a contract. But again, the shots will bite to death and send him to another part, just not to spoil the indicators ...
      (Swam, we know! (C)
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 4 September 2018 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        So the commander balks with such unfortunate helpers in the hope of re-education or correction ...

        After 16, you can train, but not re-educate ...
  16. Snail N9
    Snail N9 3 September 2018 14: 28
    +4
    In-in ... the damned "must stay" has become the norm everywhere: in the workplace and in the army. Wherever you work (in private companies), the norm is everywhere, you will not stay, work on holidays and weekends, you will not receive a "bonus" or the notorious "envelope" - sit on a bare minimum wage .... And when this disgusting stops ... And all because such a concept as "labor inspection" in Russia exists virtually, and the "salary" + bonus (or "envelope") scheme flourishes at workplaces ... and the state has withdrawn itself from the regulation of labor relations, leaving everything at the mercy " free labor contracts "and having proliferated outsourcing, subcontracting, as well as protecting the" employer "... In the army, the same garbage, and even burdened by the fact that" the words of the boss are not discussed, but carried out "... sad
    1. tasha
      tasha 3 September 2018 14: 42
      +1
      And all because such a concept as "labor inspection" in Russia exists virtually, and the "salary" + bonus (or "envelope") scheme flourishes at workplaces ...

      I bet as an employer .. Give the labor inspectorate an excuse, especially in the province ... Yes, you yourself write:
      you will not receive a "premium" or the notorious "envelope" - sit on a bare minimum wage ...
      ...
      Such things crawl where they pay a lot or in professions with limited demand ...
  17. kakvastam
    kakvastam 3 September 2018 15: 07
    0
    A very controversial undertaking.
    For some reason, you are working hard in the business at break-in for days, and nothing. Another thing is if you were ordered to properly compensate for such deviations.
  18. tuts
    tuts 3 September 2018 16: 52
    +1
    at state-owned enterprises, the practice of evening workshops has already become the norm
    Slave day starts at 8:00 and ends at 17:00
    The head of the deputy asks why your employees leave at 17:00 they are not loaded enough?
  19. iouris
    iouris 3 September 2018 17: 27
    +1
    Putting things in order must begin with the dismissal of commanders who have confirmed in practice the lack of qualifications, using only extensive methods of performing service and combat missions. This is a "draconian measure". Another surefire way is to get involved in a fairly large long war. The choice is for NGSH.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 4 September 2018 14: 32
      0
      Quote: iouris
      with the dismissal of commanders, who confirmed the lack of qualifications, using only extensive methods of performing combat missions.

      That is, a norm is needed, which is established by order in the army. Taki NachGSh along this path and goes.
      1. iouris
        iouris 4 September 2018 22: 37
        0
        The norm, that is, has always been, but life shows that the problem is wider: everywhere in the Russian Federation, the principles of the NOT (scientific organization of labor and REST of workers) developed in the USSR are cynically trampled on and generally discarded. This results in predatory exploitation of workers by employers, low labor efficiency and rapid moral and physiological degradation of the workforce. Which way the NGS goes, only time will show.
  20. vit357
    vit357 3 September 2018 17: 36
    0
    When I hear about raising the retirement age by various maydauns for the army, I understand that the concept of "nursing home" is completely inaccessible to them)
  21. Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 September 2018 18: 06
    +5
    Quote: Shkiper
    I would agree 100% if not for a life example. They wanted to put one "bad fighter" in the "disbat" for a couple of years, but the division commander did not give it, they chose the "limit" for landing, and said so. But he met "100 days" on the lip, but which of us has suffered more, the question ...

    What a horror! In 85, he trained as a commander of a tank platoon, cadet, i.e. I have one fighter, a Chechen, after the guard "he showed liberty" - when he surrendered his weapon he rushed with a bayonet-knife. Obviously, got in the dundel and was locked in the closet. I reported everything to the company commander, he replied - look for a solution yourself. We had neighbors - a company of the Rostov Disbat. In the morning I went to them, outlined the situation, agreed to go to a meeting with the cadet, take this stuffed animal for a week. A week later it shied away from me, but it was silk. And in the battalion, a "scarecrow" appeared, like - if anything, I'll announce a disbat for a couple of days! laughing
  22. Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 September 2018 18: 12
    +2
    Quote: bober1982
    The Soviet Air Force never had a non-standardized working day, everything was strictly on schedule. After all, you won’t be sitting and preparing for the flight when you were allowed to fly, if you weren’t allowed - so sit at least until night, you won’t be allowed anyway. In aviation, such questions were strictly taken, everyone team brack, and everyone quickly went home, they realized that they should not be pulled once again. Now this understanding, apparently, has been lost.

    Is 3-shift flights a standardized working day? laughing
  23. Doliva63
    Doliva63 3 September 2018 18: 46
    +3
    Question: where in the fairy tale Golden Key Tolstoy describes the Soviet army?
    Answer: night fell on the ground and work began to boil in the country of fools. laughing
    Joke. It was different everywhere in the army. But the coolest thing was in the GSVG. If you are in the unit after 18 pm, report to the duty officer why. Usually this was done immediately after the divorce, so as not to get up 2 times, as they say. If you decide to look into the company after 22, you go through the duty officer. But no one forbade to "trick" l / s - include it in the weekly schedule, write a synopsis, and at least educate all night. If desired or necessary, it was possible "and so", without a schedule and without a synopsis. It is enough to explain the circumstances to the duty officer, he reported to the commander via the TLF, and it started - either a drill officer until one in the morning, or a "hot water bottle" (who does not know, this is the name of the ankle reinforcement section at the airborne complex). But these are all either planned activities, no more than 1 time per week, or some kind of emergency. And so the unit commander could descend on the company after 18 and slap a reprimand for breaking the daily routine. The exception was the gym - there you could work out at least until the morning, if only you would not be late for charging with l / s). Nothing is new under the Moon, as they say.
    My record is the approved field exit plan from Thursday to Monday. The commander even praised - like, everything would be so! As a result - "stroach". The Glavpur commission arrived, and we were late for the start of political studies. laughing
  24. Hapfri
    Hapfri 3 September 2018 18: 59
    0
    I wonder what kind of order the general has. On the neck of George of the 2nd degree, on the chest of her 3rd, on the left, the star of George, red crosses with eagles and swords - this is understandable, but what is this Order of Victory in the form of a star below and some kind of golden big cross next to it?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 3 September 2018 19: 13
      +2
      Quote: Hupfri
      I wonder what kind of order the general has. On the neck of George of the 2nd degree, on the chest of her 3rd, on the left, the star of George, red crosses with eagles and swords - this is understandable, but what is this Order of Victory in the form of a star below and some kind of golden big cross next to it?

      I was generally amused by the Always Hero, and next to me was an iron cross. Spherical delirium. 0
    2. Hadji Murat
      Hadji Murat 4 September 2018 01: 14
      0
      no, George 3 degrees on the neck, 4 degrees on the chest
  25. earloop
    earloop 3 September 2018 19: 40
    +1
    A wise and correct decision! The following vices are nothing else. as "imitation of ebullient activity" that negatively affects combat readiness: "it is forbidden to hold meetings at night, weekends and holidays; in addition, off-duty time unnecessarily. " This is not uncommon for civic organizations. There appear such "individuals" who perform only one function - they always try to be in the "eyes" of the authorities, both on weekends and holidays, and at any time of the day.
  26. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 September 2018 20: 20
    +4
    Quote: Svarog51
    cons plow in the opposite direction. In general - a half a kilometer, but they promised to soon fix everything.

    Serega, hello! drinks
    The main thing is not in the "rating" - it is convention, a game for adult boys! Should we, old-timers, not know this? The main thing is different - in communication. Yeah ...
    And so, when you are illegally called a "parasite" whom, you see, this person "feeds" - then, out of a sense of justice, I want to tell such a troll everything that you think about him and about it!
    But that cons do not kill such "wickedness" - it is regrettable! A fair reproach to the admins ... from the veterans of the "Brunon movement!" laughing
    Be healthy, and do not disappear from the site, otherwise soon there will be no one to say hello to. One Yurich will remain! hi
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 4 September 2018 04: 09
      +5
      Alexander, good health drinks
      do not disappear from the site

      How can you? I've found so many friends here, from Sakhalin to Europe. I just don't go into "bazaar showdowns", but only into serious and interesting topics. More often, I just read, but I look at the site every day.
      With regards to the rating and "paper shoulder straps", there is also not everything is clear. These shoulder straps are received here as recognition of you as your own, you cannot draw them yourself. Alexey Zoldat_A underwent two heart surgeries and is now undergoing a rehabilitation course. His son told what a positive role the marshal's shoulder straps played in this. He was as happy with them as with the real ones. We are waiting for his return.
      As for the topic of the article, the decision is correct. Let's look at the performance. It would not work "as always".
      I am always glad to see you on the site and I am pleased to read your comments. I am only surprised that you still have not marine epaulets. I can tell you how to change them. It is not too late, because the Marshals are only land forces.
      If you do not mind, write in a personal. We will establish a spare communication channel so that the site is not clogged up. drinks hi
  27. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 20
    +3
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    You're stupid.
    1) Are you envious of the military? -Please, no one bothered you from going into the military.
    2) Do you think it’s easy? Whatever the case. Killers, terrorists, military operations. Enough enemies.
    3) The military doesn’t support raising the retirement age. The military has parents, children, wives, brothers and sisters. And the military understands perfectly well that for example they don’t touch their retirement age. But it will affect their beloved and close relatives luy. Their parents, children, wives, brothers and sisters. And the military, they don’t want such a share.
    4) In Belarus, with an increase in the retirement age, the retirement age has increased for both the military and law enforcement agencies. The length of service has increased.
  28. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 26
    +1
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    and they complain.
    But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

    And the charter requires the implementation of the charter-order. And the military and law enforcement agencies must have it. If they don’t have order, it will not be in the whole country. Because they, the military and law enforcement agencies, are the guarantor of fulfillment order.
    They endure all the hardships and work for wear. Not for nothing they have a pension of 45 years. Envy? Do you think they are doing nothing ??? They are on duty, at work, protecting us with killers, maniacs, terrorists, enemies of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
    However, it would not hurt them to protect us from our oppressors and oppressors — who raise the retirement age by introducing anti-people’s law.
  29. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 27
    0
    Quote: Fitter65
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    and they complain.
    But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

    And you read the charter, it specifically says about the duration of the office time and how many days off should be and so on, so as not to write such comments. And they complain, because there are still enough commanders and chiefs, especially in remote garrisons who imagine themselves to be appanage princes. And which replace real combat training with various unnecessary and stupid activities, sports events, parades of a drill song and other nonsense, being on duty at inopportune hours - "team rallying" ...

    I completely agree with you and support you.
  30. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 32
    +2
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Fitter65
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    and they complain.
    But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

    And you read the charter, it specifically says about the duration of the office time and how many days off should be and so on, so as not to write such comments. And they complain, because there are still enough commanders and chiefs, especially in remote garrisons who imagine themselves to be appanage princes. And which replace real combat training with various unnecessary and stupid activities, sports events, parades of a drill song and other nonsense, being on duty at inopportune hours - "team rallying" ...

    so quit at 20000 to the factory. and a hut in a mortgage, not a freebie. and live to the age of 65 until retirement.
    stop whining, warriors. so many people live worse than you. and you are crying.

    Are you jealous? Do you think they are doing nothing ??? They are on duty, at work, protecting us with killers, maniacs, terrorists, enemies of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
    So go to military and law enforcement agencies. Protect us from maniacs, killers, scumbags, terrorists, organized crime groups, other people's soldiers. Risk your life and health. You can be killed, maimed, disabled for life, captured and scoffed at you and then slowly and painfully kill-such is their job. You, dear, in vain you are throwing mud at the military and law enforcement agencies.-
    Go to the military and power structures, and live "happily and richly." Why didn’t you then go to the military and the power structures — if it’s so good there, if they— "do nothing and live richly" ??????? ??
  31. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 46
    +1
    Quote: ludrossia
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    and they complain.
    But what about the charter? let them endure all hardships and hardships.

    And the charter requires the implementation of the charter-order. And the military and law enforcement agencies must have it. If they don’t have order, it will not be in the whole country. Because they, the military and law enforcement agencies, are the guarantor of fulfillment order.
    They endure all the hardships and work for wear. Not for nothing they have a pension of 45 years. Envy? Do you think they are doing nothing ??? They are on duty, at work, protecting us with killers, maniacs, terrorists, enemies of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian, Russian Orthodox Christians, people of Russia Russian Orthodox Christian.
    However, it would not hurt them to protect us from our oppressors and oppressors — who raise the retirement age by introducing anti-people’s law.

    KLV2018
    Stupid person. Re-read my comment again and turn on the head and brains, if you have any.
    If they, the military and law enforcement agencies, do not have order, then it will not be in the whole country. Because they, the military and law enforcement agencies, are themselves the guarantor of order. They themselves must first observe order and justice.Got it ????
    Because of the stupid people in the army and law enforcement agencies, the military suffers, the order and justice are not respected. From here it goes on and on.Military and law enforcement agencies, yes, it is, first of all, they are ELITE.Therefore, they must have order and justice. And they must already restore order and justice throughout the country. It is they who have been given all power and authority for this.
    They, just like your plants, do not observe work hours, salaries sometimes, their bosses at the weekend, and they are at work and all your other civil charms, just add to them their daily risk of being killed, mutilated or captured in captured and killed under torture.
  32. ludrosia
    ludrosia 3 September 2018 21: 50
    +2
    Quote: KLV2018
    Quote: Fitter65
    Quote: Sergey39
    The military did not seem to increase the retirement period? Let them work for wear.

    And the military and so on wear and tear. But if they do not serve for wear, then you will work for wear, for a bowl of gruel, and as soon as you wear out, then together with the smoke through the chimney of the crematorium of some "demacratic" concentration camp, retire.

    poor you are poor.
    only today, such an employee was worn out, with the rank of ensign and weighing a centner and a half, trying to put his Kruzak on the lawn. and sincerely did not understand what he was doing wrong.

    Poor you poor. Only today the military-neutralized the terrorists-who wanted to cut off your head and your family. And the security forces-neutralized the rapist-scumbag-who wanted to remove the rape with your wife and slowly, like a maniac, to kill-snuff.
    You didn’t beguile anything ????, I don’t know what to call you, so that they would not ban me here.
    Py. Sy. And at that time, the military and law enforcement agencies saw you weighing a centner and a half, they tried to put their maybahs on the lawn with the front part and the back part on the playground. And I sincerely did not understand what you were doing wrong. And I documented you on a video-video camera. And as residents, citizens, people, witnesses, they explained to you what you are doing wrong.
  33. g_ae
    g_ae 3 September 2018 22: 16
    +1
    Cool mold. Probably from Yudashkin. And a cocked hat with an edge and a sword will probably be introduced at the next stage of reforms. And the chest in the crosses. They all blamed the Soviet form for impracticality. So what, it turns out, the form should be. A sick one with such a collar will suffocate. But it’s not like the Soviet one. Reforms, fir trees. They waved the guards ribbon on May 9, and it will be.
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 3 September 2018 22: 38
      +1
      Stand-up collar - no matter what the Soviet uniform is. This is a few years after the war led a new uniform with a hinged collar and tie
      1. g_ae
        g_ae 3 September 2018 23: 17
        -1
        Compare something with something. These people had the right to such a formal uniform. What are these dressed up for? I don’t remember any great victories. Oh yes. Vasilyev was taken over.
      2. Vovan 73
        Vovan 73 4 September 2018 11: 51
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        And the crap of two sleepers on the collar resembles the same in the form of an officer of the Wehrmacht from WWII
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 4 September 2018 18: 29
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          Quote: Vova 73
          And the crap of two sleepers on the collar resembles the same in the form of an officer of the Wehrmacht from WWII

          I like the uniform that was introduced under Grechko, but, in fairness, I have a photo of my father with "coils" on his collar - it was right after the war. Why only these metamorphoses, I do not understand.
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  35. Clone
    Clone 3 September 2018 23: 42
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    "Fresh legend, but hard to believe ..." (c)
    There has never been such a thing, and I believe it will never be. Big uncles will play democracy and throw it in a dusty cabinet. In principle, they’ll do it right.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 4 September 2018 01: 10
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      Quote: Clone
      "Fresh legend, but hard to believe ..." (c)
      There has never been such a thing, and I believe it will never be. Big uncles will play democracy and throw it in a dusty cabinet. In principle, they’ll do it right.

      The contract army will help to remove the excess in the army, and to train conscripts by age as in schools, then they themselves will choose to serve or to learn other professions as a citizen. And yes, it will be in the army, especially where it is very far from the center ....
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 4 September 2018 18: 34
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        Quote: XXXIII
        Quote: Clone
        "Fresh legend, but hard to believe ..." (c)
        There has never been such a thing, and I believe it will never be. Big uncles will play democracy and throw it in a dusty cabinet. In principle, they’ll do it right.

        The contract army will help to remove the excess in the army, and to train conscripts by age as in schools, then they themselves will choose to serve or to learn other professions as a citizen. And yes, it will be in the army, especially where it is very far from the center ....

        Do not smack nonsense, it hurts, since there are no brains laughing A lot of excess was removed in the US contract army, for example? Well, are there drugs, buggers, obesity? laughing After the death of Zadornov I go here - neighing over such pearls
  36. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 4 September 2018 00: 38
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    not ... tyranny in the army can not be overcome. Maybe they will quiet down for a while, but stupidity and arrogance will definitely take their toll.
    It all depends in part on the main head, and we have these heads ... as if to put it mildly, so as not to be banned ... in general - we will dig from the checkpoint until the evening.
    I have one big boss, noticing that I’m leaving late from the headquarters affectionately inquired about the state of my health. Say, do not cope with business during working hours? Maybe you need to send a medical commission? To advise? Good ball boss!
    There was another option. This one yelled at everyone that would make the Motherland love day and night! That's what officers thought of for themselves ... you know, it just got dark ... in the summer ... and you will not find anyone other than the duty officers at the headquarters. Are you insolent? Fact! Why do you need a resort here?
    No, the Red Army and the Navy are strong.
    1. Clone
      Clone 4 September 2018 00: 54
      +1
      fellow Directly copied from my service in the 36th army corps ... General Saburov raised the question of the suitability of the position held, if he could not cope with his official duties at the time set by the schedule ... And the next corps commander, nicknamed the "headless horseman" in Afghanistan, demanded documents for signature at 6 am.
      By the way, both left the best impression and memories - the cockroaches are different, but quite tolerant and, ultimately, aimed at the SERVICE.
  37. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 4 September 2018 01: 13
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    And why did Gerasimov give George 3 degrees in 2017? for Syria?
  38. Cottager452
    Cottager452 4 September 2018 03: 27
    +1
    In one old textbook on psychiatry, the description of one of the pathologies was accompanied by a photograph of an identity card that the patient himself had blown up. There was this text:
    "Three times Hero of the World, Seven times Hero of the Soviet Union. Has the right to wear any awards, signs and all
    metal objects ".
    Position held:
    "Commander-in-Chief of the Heavy Machine Guns Division".
  39. 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc 4 September 2018 06: 43
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    Quote: alstr
    that after school the first time I went ashore (not out of official need) in 2,5 years. The commander did not let go

    And what to do there, my Comanche reasoned, they will make the garbage take out, and then they will fulfill the conjugal duty.
  40. megadeth
    megadeth 4 September 2018 10: 18
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    NSSH - Hero of Russia - for whatooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh ??? New Zhukov ........... ????
    1. g_ae
      g_ae 4 September 2018 14: 49
      +1
      The fact is that after awarding Chubais or Siluanov with the Order of Merit for the Fatherland (which they have for their country — not the RF for sure), any statesman who has not done much harm to Russia is already worthy of the highest government awards. So everything is correct. And yet, Nabiullina was awarded a medal for the collapse of the ruble.
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        1. g_ae
          g_ae 4 September 2018 21: 20
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          Not ours, but, excuse me, yours. We have enough of our own. And we have a majority election system.
  41. l7yzo
    l7yzo 4 September 2018 11: 37
    -1
    Ear ha. Now the military is also not going to gather more than two)) Step to the right .... jump in place)))
  42. Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 4 September 2018 11: 50
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    Here is this NGSH with a cross and a hero's star and it comes to mind ... "you either take off the cross or put on your panties" Ugh
  43. Vittt
    Vittt 4 September 2018 15: 37
    -1
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: Shkodnik65
    KLV 2018 is an ordinary troll.

    No, Andrey! He is not "ordinary", but evil, who came to the site to insult you and me. And this is already an enemy. While hidden, not loving his Army, its soldiers. And with the arrival of invaders, such as him, they will be policemen and informants ... Therefore, it is better to destroy them immediately, according to the Smersh principle.
    Aha

    Alexander, you, as I understand it, are "boa constrictor Kaa". So be it. And then as in that joke about the sign and the prostitutes.
  44. Vittt
    Vittt 4 September 2018 15: 54
    -1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    The NGS itself has grown a stomach, a bad example ...

    Yes, this is not order, but damn it, his head "cooks" very well. A very "brainy" NGSH with us, at once beats all its "vis-a-vi", with small forces. That has already shown more than once.

    What he beat there, we are not destined to know. Smerdy, Vova doesn’t need a foreign country - the country is so huge that from subtropics to taiga - choose any (like Tuva, Russian islands, Sochi, Alexandra lands laughing ) And he fucked up with these Americans - he will always be in order, but why do we need the Russian Guard, to disperse the blacks? For the Russians, is he exactly organizing an operation to force anything? Russia is a giant; only a giant asteroid can destroy it. So why do you kiss him all the time. And Gerasimov is visually the right general. As he really is there, the hedgehog knows him. Makarova Serdyukov in the center. kissed the channels in the ass too.
  45. Old stock lieutenant colonel
    Old stock lieutenant colonel 4 September 2018 15: 58
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    So thanks to these "violations", our army is the strongest and invincible. And those who serve from 8.00 to 17.30, we beat, beat and will beat. If you don’t shout at our fighter, he will not move his horn. But how he moves - no one will be sweet. Although, of course, all these "responsible", night checks of guards, parks, presence on the rise, at the end is not a joy. But we ourselves chose the service, not the careless citizen. I quit 16 years ago, and more and more I understand that the best people are military men.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 September 2018 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: Old stock lieutenant colonel
      So thanks to these "violations", our army is the strongest and invincible. And those who serve from 8.00 to 17.30, we beat, beat and will beat. If you don’t shout at our fighter, he will not move his horn. But how he moves - no one will be sweet. Although, of course, all these "responsible", night checks of guards, parks, presence on the rise, at the end is not a joy. But we ourselves chose the service, not the careless citizen. I quit 16 years ago, and more and more I understand that the best people are military men.

      I’ve been on demobilization since the 91st, at first I even paid a pension of 10 years laughing At first, I remember, I wanted everything back “behind the fence”, civil life and the civilians themselves were so alien. But that's not what I mean. I'm talking about "responsible". They seem to have been introduced after the 0100th order in the early 80s. Previously, all the problems were dealt with by unit officers and daily orders. Even during the war! And here they just signed for the impotence of the system. And, probably, they still chew snot, and not work with people? This means that the army is degrading.
  46. yurikh
    yurikh 4 September 2018 16: 33
    -1
    It’s time, as you recall this madhouse, goosebumps. You’re sitting and waiting for some reason. True, it wasn’t the same everywhere, it all depended on the unit commander. On the urgent basis, all the officers went home normally, but on the contract in other units and troops something.
  47. tank64rus
    tank64rus 4 September 2018 17: 31
    +2
    All the diseases of the native Soviet army crawled into the Russian, which is a pity.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 4 September 2018 19: 00
      +1
      Quote: tank64rus
      All the diseases of the native Soviet army crawled into the Russian, which is a pity.

      If the "diseases" of the GSVG crawled into the Russian army, for example, one could only rejoice. But during the withdrawal, almost all the units were disbanded, and the officers were shoved so that there was no more than one per garrison. Do you transmit many "diseases"?
  48. ludrosia
    ludrosia 4 September 2018 22: 27
    -1
    Quote: Old stock lieutenant colonel
    So thanks to these "violations", our army is the strongest and invincible. And those who serve from 8.00 to 17.30, we beat, beat and will beat. If you don’t shout at our fighter, he will not move his horn. But how he moves - no one will be sweet. Although, of course, all these "responsible", night checks of guards, parks, presence on the rise, at the end is not a joy. But we ourselves chose the service, not the careless citizen. I quit 16 years ago, and more and more I understand that the best people are military men.

    This is thanks to normal orders and normal actions and order.
    And thanks to the violations, in the 90 years the army was almost scammed and the USSR was torn apart and always lost. And then, thanks to the order, they won.
    Thanks not to violations, but to normal actions, Alexander Suvorov became so famous.
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  50. longin
    longin 5 September 2018 20: 42
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    We observed this order of the National High School ... all five seconds, until it was torn and thrown into the ballot box by the chief. The personnel were brought up by the partisan method - a scan through VatsAp.
    God is high, far from the king.