Su-35 entered into the fight for the Indian market. New Delhi: And China bought exactly Su-35

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Indian media publish reports that the government is preparing to submit a document approving the purchase of new foreign-made fighter jets for the needs of the Indian Air Force 114. The total amount that the Indian budget intends to spend on contracting military aircraft is about 20 billion dollars.

Edition The Economic Times reports that until recently, in New Delhi, they were considering proposals from foreign suppliers on six fighter options. The list of applicants is as follows:
F / A-18 and F-16 (USA), Gripen-E (Sweden), MIG-35 (Russia), Eurofighter Typhoon (EU) and Rafale (France). In this case, preference was given precisely Rafale.



It is now becoming known that India includes Sukhoi fighters (Russia) in the expanded list. We are talking about the latest Russian fighter Su-35.

Su-35 entered into the fight for the Indian market. New Delhi: And China bought exactly Su-35


It is noteworthy that the inclusion of the Su-35 in the list of aircraft that can be contracted by India, occurred against the backdrop of the demonstration of these fighters by China. China signed an agreement with a Russian manufacturer and has already received the first batch of Su-35.

Generally, in India it is painful that China has one or another weapon, including that purchased from the Russian Federation, but New Delhi does not. A similar situation is developing around the C-400 air defense system, which the American “partners” are actually trying to ban the Indian side from Russia.

Experts in India point out that today, various foreign fighter aircraft are being used in the country's air force - most of them are Russian, including the Su-30MKI and MiG-29. It is noted that if the preference is given, for example, to the French “Raphales”, this will become a “logistic nightmare”. In particular, it is reported that additional funds will be required not only for the training of Indian pilots, but also for the maintenance of these aircraft, which the French manufacturer has not yet expressed any particular desire to cooperate in producing with New Delhi. Moreover, the Indian Air Force will need to build three new air bases with a completely new infrastructure. And they are not going to allocate funds from the budget for these needs.
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  1. +8
    3 September 2018 10: 34

    Come on, Indians, nothing personal, just business

    SU-35, this is high efficiency + adequate price and cost of ownership

    If you don’t want old friendships ...

    1. +3
      3 September 2018 12: 36
      Perhaps he will go instead of the T-50, because of his unavailability, and they refused further acquisitions of Su-30 kits, they say that it is expensive to operate. The Su-35 will be more sophisticated, but the engines are likely to digitize, and probably they will install the AFAR, everything is in order with the OLS system there.
      But I would not confuse these purchases with the purchase of light fighters, in them the Indians have a deficit of about 400 aircraft in total. In general, of course they have a mess.
      1. -1
        3 September 2018 13: 17
        Quote: comb
        Su-35 will be more purposeful

        Are you delusional? Since when is the car in which the solutions of the level of the 90s are more sophisticated than the promising airline complex?
        Quote: comb
        but the engines are likely to digitize

        1. +5
          3 September 2018 14: 18
          The Su-35 is more advanced than the Su-30. More attentive to the material.
          1. +1
            5 September 2018 07: 20
            If we recall the previous purchases of India, it is clear what will happen next.
            They will purchase not 114, but 24 of the aircraft (according to 3-4, pieces of each from the list). Then they will try to hang on them additional weapons (not originally intended for the aircraft). Then they will try to fill with low-quality oil and fuel.
            And they will complain to manufacturers, they will try to recover the penalty.
        2. 0
          3 September 2018 19: 24
          Quote: Puncher
          Since when is the car in which the solutions of the level of the 90s are more sophisticated than the promising airline complex?

          Since there are F22 and F35 lol
      2. 0
        3 September 2018 21: 57
        This mess is little said! I am sure that in the event of a war with China, with the same technique, Indians will already have cashews; one cannot adhere to such methods as theirs. Oil painting, everything is visible, but it’s not necessary in its own way, and what kind of friends they are, so temporary workers and no more! request
    2. 0
      3 September 2018 17: 46
      Quote: bulvas
      Come on, Indians, nothing personal, just business

      SU-35, this is high efficiency + adequate price and cost of ownership

      If you don’t want old friendships ...

      we have written this market in due time, thanks to the silly "effective government".
      now it will be difficult to return the Indians to our channel
      1. +1
        3 September 2018 20: 52
        Quote: Alber
        Quote: bulvas
        Come on, Indians, nothing personal, just business

        SU-35, this is high efficiency + adequate price and cost of ownership

        If you don’t want old friendships ...

        we have written this market in due time, thanks to the silly "effective government".
        now it will be difficult to return the Indians to our channel

        Hindus need to be put at attention and forced to behave according to their abilities. They want to buy not only a car for three rubles, but also the technology and the production of nova. Let Rafali buy, and build and learn. It will cost them ten times.
      2. 0
        3 September 2018 21: 58
        And they were in it. They will be seized both for Faberge and immediately to us, but for now they are winding left and right)))))
  2. SSR
    +5
    3 September 2018 10: 37
    A heavy client, but as correctly noted, it’s a logistic nightmare, a separate nightmare for training technicians and pilots ...., you can justify the choice of rafal or f-ok, if all production technology is transferred.
    1. 0
      3 September 2018 12: 11
      The client is heavy, but moneyy ...
  3. +25
    3 September 2018 10: 38
    A business plan has matured. We sell to the Chinese a million Lada West. Hindus in shock, also buying West. AvtoVAZ world leader in automotive industry laughing
    1. +2
      3 September 2018 10: 51
      A business plan has matured.

      Nope, it will fail. The Chinese have their own auto industry is not sickly. Only now it is not visible that India is upset or annoying.
    2. SSR
      +1
      3 September 2018 10: 58
      Quote: Sergey ui
      A business plan has matured. We sell to the Chinese a million Lada West. Hindus in shock, also buying West. AvtoVAZ world leader in automotive industry laughing

      The banter is a banter, but you can buy frets in Germany too.

      AvtoVAZ exports LADA cars to 24 countries. Their complete list is presented on the world map compiled by the Motor publication. As follows from Kara, LADA sales are carried out in countries such as Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Chile, Egypt, Georgia, Germany, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lebanon, Moldova, Slovakia, Tajikistan, Turkey, Ukraine , Uzbekistan, South Ossetia, Serbia, Syria, Peru.

      Recall that it was previously reported that the leader in the export of AvtoVAZ in 2017 remained the LADA 4x4 SUV. In total, last year AVTOVAZ exported 24 thousand LADA cars for export, which is 31% more than in 2016.
      1. -1
        3 September 2018 11: 37
        I saw them on the Cook Islands, and in NZ then ... (Ladies). But now I'm driving "Duster", sorry.
    3. +12
      3 September 2018 10: 58
      Quote: Sergey ui
      A business plan has matured. We sell to the Chinese a million Lada West. Hindus in shock, also buying West. AvtoVAZ world leader in automotive industry

      Nothing will work. Hindus will require technology transfer. Ours are unlikely to take such a risky step. The production of passenger cars is our national treasure.
      1. +4
        3 September 2018 11: 18
        Quote: Polite Elk
        Hindus will require technology transfer.

        To neighing?
        The production of passenger cars is our national treasure.

        More than half of AvtoVAZ has long belonged to the Renault-Nissan alliance.
        1. +1
          3 September 2018 11: 37
          Russia owns 34% of AvtoVAZ
          1. +3
            3 September 2018 11: 37
            That's what I'm talking about. But you can still laugh with these 34%. = 3
      2. +1
        3 September 2018 14: 48
        Quote: Polite Elk
        The production of passenger cars is our national treasure.

        I beg you, our "junk", in comparison with the Indian - supercars ...
    4. 0
      3 September 2018 14: 44
      Quote: Sergey ui
      We sell to the Chinese a million Lada West. Hindus in shock, also buying West. AvtoVAZ world leader in automotive industry

      A good plan ... it remains to agree with the Chinese.
  4. +5
    3 September 2018 10: 53
    It would be wise for them, of course, to buy our planes - both the price, and the ease of development, and the infrastructure for Russian aircraft. But firstly, there are Indians Indians - "according to their minds" - this is not a decisive argument for them, and secondly, the Americans scare them with their sanitary packages on the S-400, and on the topic of hundreds of fighters they will steam their pants with boiling water. Let's see them, Indians, figs you will understand. In any case, the contract is not soon from the word very ..
    1. +2
      3 September 2018 11: 01
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      I would mind

      in India, it’s painful that China has certain weapons,

      they have like children - and I have a new red machine, but you don’t have one! ... laughing
    2. +2
      3 September 2018 11: 08
      Hindus want technology for a gift and "weld" !!! The time has passed when Russia gave its developments for nothing.
      1. -3
        3 September 2018 13: 12
        Quote: Santos
        The time has passed when Russia gave away its development for nothing.

        Come on, C400 is given for a penny on clearly unfavorable conditions.
        1. +2
          3 September 2018 14: 04
          Come on, C400 is given for a penny on clearly unfavorable conditions.
          Do you have such a high tolerance that you are familiar with these conditions? Or do you have a set of pros and cons to evaluate their degree of profitability? Why all these big words ...
          1. 0
            3 September 2018 14: 10
            Quote: Puncher
            Quote: Santos
            The time has passed when Russia gave away its development for nothing.

            Come on, C400 is given for a penny on clearly unfavorable conditions.


            If you know, share
            It is very interesting to know the cost and sale price

            Although .... I doubt very much that you know, this
            "Come on..."
            - does not inspire confidence

            Or do you really know?
            Yes
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    3. +1
      3 September 2018 11: 22
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Let's see them, Indians, figs understand.

      Dancing will continue for more than one year, that's for sure. And then the MiG-35 will find a birthmark on the radar fairing, and it will become clear that this is a long time ago lost brother of the Indian MiG-29.
  5. +4
    3 September 2018 11: 02
    The whole trouble of the Indian Air Force is the maintenance of the equipment. Well, they will not fly "Rafali", because the equipment does not tolerate non-certified manufacturers of consumables, and the Indians are used to saving on everything. And to this, there is still a minus the untrained staff of the Air Force technicians. repaired and maintained in hangars. And in our field of norms, the main thing is that the "mechs" have their own, these will do everything right.
    1. 0
      3 September 2018 20: 01
      The whole trouble of the Indian Air Force is the maintenance of equipment.
      Tell this to the domestic auto industry, from which even the most faithful patriots spit .. Yes, it is being repaired in the field, but for some reason there are not many people who want to repair it in the field ..
  6. 0
    3 September 2018 11: 30
    In many ways, the Su-30MKI is an Indian aircraft based on avionics, more precisely, created through international Israeli and European firms. Su-35 no longer understands a separate "international" version - a complex delivery from Russia, with the exception of individual components of electronics. In addition, the Su-35 is designed for one pilot. Still, most likely they will buy two or three dozen Su-35s for the future, the rest will be closed either by Raphael or MiG-35 doped with high localization of production or F-18 / F-35 instead of the Russian version, which also cannot be ruled out.
  7. 0
    3 September 2018 12: 10
    Indians have a difficult choice. And this is not a choice between airplanes, but a choice between the United States and everyone else. Wrong choices mean loss of sovereignty, correct loss of market share and possible sanctions. If you didn’t believe it, it was a loss, but this is the result of the multi-vector nature of Modi and his Government. Today, for multi-vector life punishes the most.
    1. +2
      3 September 2018 14: 01
      Quote: Berkut24
      Today, for multi-vector life punishes the most.

      Eco you grabbed with multi-vector!
      See how Germany suffers from Ms Merkel's "multiculturalism"!
      "Either there will still be ... Oh-oh-oh"! (from) laughing
  8. +4
    3 September 2018 13: 11
    And China bought it Su-35

    Did he have a choice? This India can lazily sort out options, putting forward its own special conditions, like guarantee responsibility for products manufactured by Indians, China under the embargo, and except for the Russian Federation, he has no one to buy.
    1. +1
      3 September 2018 13: 41
      An interesting point. China announces the creation of a 5th generation fighter, but why buy Russian 4th generation ?! hi
      1. +2
        3 September 2018 14: 08
        Remove the engines from them and put them on your 5th generation to shout about the "finished" Dragon.
  9. +1
    3 September 2018 15: 16
    Among the Indians among the pilots there is a "French lobby" (flying on Mirages and Jaguars) and a "Russian lobby" (flying on the Su-30).
    Each advertises its own.
  10. +1
    3 September 2018 19: 51
    Indeed, some kind of circus .. Even the United States, which are sick of their heads on the loot, have in their stock F-22s, which they don’t sell to anyone .. And the Russian Federation, every day at least several times, without ambiguous hints, that there are only "enemies" around, it supplies all and sundry the entire TOP of its weapons, at which, even with the most, one can say that it does not! Is it like a very cunning plan, or am I missing something?
  11. 0
    3 September 2018 20: 42
    oh guys, the Indians are still twisting the hands of the Russian authorities. They are now very annoyed by the fact that Russia is trying to start selling T 90 to Pakistan. And it is unlikely that the Russian authorities will be able to eat and sit ...
  12. 0
    3 September 2018 21: 55
    Well, it seems to me that the main question, after all, is money. And that can be obtained for them.
    India will need to build three new airbases with a completely new infrastructure.

    This, in my opinion, is a key factor. Hindus look at how striped dogs try to bend the Turks with the purchase of the S-400. Actually, after that they will draw conclusions and make a decision.

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