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USA - Palestine: Create a confederation with Jordan. What did Abbas answer?

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In Washington, it was decided that after recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, it was time to give a kind of “gingerbread” to Palestine. On the "originality of American gingerbread" just below.


Against the background of endless Palestinian protests against American recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital in the United States, they said that they are now ready to embody the “second part of the deal” in the Middle East. At the same time added that the transaction is multilateral in nature.



Israeli TV came up with a report on the negotiations of the Israeli parliamentarians with the leader of Palestine, Mahmoud Abbas. The talks focused on the American idea, which presupposes the actual abandonment of their own state by the Palestinians while simultaneously joining the Palestinian territories in a “confederative union with Jordan”. With such a proposal previously made adviser to the President of the United States (in combination - Trump's son-in-law) Jared Kushner. In this issue, Kouchner was supported by Special Representative of the US Presidential Administration for International Affairs Jason Greenblatt.

The proposal is also related to the fact that the “new confederation” should have a single capital - in Amman (the capital of Jordan).

The US proposal was heavily criticized in both Palestine and Jordan.

At the aforementioned meeting of Mahmoud Abbas with the Israeli parliamentarians in Ramallah, the leader of Palestine declared that the Palestinians would accept the American proposal in one single case: if Israel enters into such a confederation, abandoning its independence.

And this is the answer of the official Amman:
Our position on resolving the conflict remains unchanged: this is recognition of the Palestinian state by the international community, recognition with its capital in Jerusalem. Jerusalem should remain the capital of two states - Palestine and Israel. The creation of the Jordanian-Palestinian Confederation is not a matter for discussion.


Earlier in Washington, Jared Kushner called the American proposal "deal of the century" and promised economic benefits to all who support it. In his statements sounded the name of another state - Egypt. In Cairo, the statement of the adviser Trump is not commented.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 3 September 2018 07: 40
    +7
    Okay, Palestinians, what will the king of Jordan say to this? He will be the last ....... if he agrees to such a confederation. He will not have enough strength to "press" this "freeman" to the nail. Jordan has enough problems without them
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 3 September 2018 07: 50
      +2
      King will not be asked. They will buy it. The monarchy is poor and will agree on everything. wassat But the Palestinians, before proposing in public the idea of ​​a confederation with Jordan, just had to ask if they wanted to. Again, will this confederation be monarchical or republican? recourse
    2. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 3 September 2018 08: 08
      -2
      I will repeat a little. But this Jordanian "king" apart from his servants and further the territory of his palace does not command anything and nothing depends on him, except for the "royal" menu in his kitchen. And in Jordan, all and sundry rule. Ranging from ordinary punks to "exceptional" and flea.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 3 September 2018 08: 09
      +3
      Of course, it is more interesting for us to learn about Palestine and Israel, to watch McCain's funeral and which of our singers are getting married, than to receive information about yesterday's rallies throughout Russia against pension reform. The propaganda about a "happy" future for our old people is off scale. winked
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 3 September 2018 09: 58
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Of course, it is more interesting for us to learn about Palestine and Israel, to see McCain’s funeral and which of our pevichek marries, than to get information about yesterday’s rallies all over Russia against pension reform.
        Yesterday (on the day of the rallies) there was an article about the protest actions on "VO". Apparently they missed it.

        And about the materials on federal channels on the topic of reform - a separate, sad story ... By the way, this was also discussed here.
    4. credo
      credo 4 September 2018 19: 59
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Okay, Palestinians, what will the king of Jordan say to this? He will be the last ....... if he agrees to such a confederation. He will not have enough strength to "press" this "freeman" to the nail. Jordan has enough problems without them

      As they say - "He outwitted himself." This is me about the "proposal" Kushner to join the poor to the poor (Palestine to Jordan).
      Now, if he proposed to annex the Palestinian enclaves to the United States or, at worst, to Switzerland, with the possibility of obtaining the appropriate dual citizenship by the Palestinians and providing them with a cash allowance in the amount of the average salary of a highly qualified specialist in the United States or Switzerland for the period of economic recovery of Palestine itself, then perhaps the Palestinians, along with Abbas, would unanimously vote "for" this proposal.
      And so it is not the mind or heart. Well, who in their right mind and blessed memory of the Palestinians would agree to such a stupidity of the transatlantic "political guru"?
  2. Professor
    Professor 3 September 2018 07: 45
    -1
    Our position on resolving the conflict remains unchanged: this is recognition of the Palestinian state by the international community, recognition with its capital in Jerusalem. Jerusalem should remain the capital of two states - Palestine and Israel. The creation of the Jordanian-Palestinian Confederation is not a matter for discussion.

    Strange, but until 1967, Jordan took Judea and Samaria (or whatever they say in Arabic) and the Phylist state did not even stutter. At one time, Egypt never wanted to take Gaza back. Now Jordan ... Nobody wants these "poor" people from Phylist. crying
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 3 September 2018 07: 49
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      fylystynskom state

      When someone in the comments writes the name of the country of Israel with a small letter, a wave of protest immediately begins - "you need to write correctly", "it's time to put in a warning." But it turns out that the name of Palestine can be distorted ...
      1. tTshka
        tTshka 3 September 2018 07: 57
        +5
        This is the essence of the Jewish ...
        1. hrych
          hrych 3 September 2018 09: 24
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          PALESTINA - in Arabic sounds FILYSTYN

          This is an absolute lie. Non-Hebrew name, with an accent of citizen Sokolov -fylystynand the Arabic name is falastin from the 7th century and the difference from the Latin name, only in the transition of P to the letter F.
          Quote: tTshka
          This is the essence ...

          There is an official science, where ancient chroniclers are taken into account, which provide links to the chronicles of Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, recently, science has acquired cuneiform records between the rivers and Syria, which are in full agreement with the ancient chronicles, and there are mystical fables, which, with all the draw for ears, in no way correlate with chronicles, stellas and cuneiforms. Palestine has historically been part of Greater Syria, which Herodotus, the father of history, referred to as Palestine in addition to Palestine. In turn, Palestine was divided into Palestine Prima (where they put Judah and Samaria) and Palestine Salyutaris (Nabatea). Then all this was subordinated to the Caliphate. Everything else is virtual reality, i.e. just fiction. Unfortunately, neither Egyptian papyri, frescoes and steles, nor cuneiform scripts of Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Syria, nor the works of ancient chroniclers that have survived, confirm the existence of the Sokolov Empire, oh Solomon.
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 September 2018 11: 40
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            This is an absolute lie. Not the Hebrew name, with the accent of citizen Sokolov, is the Fylistyn, and the Arabic name is Falastin from the 7 century and the difference from the Latin name, only in the transition of P to the letter F.

            Exactly a lie. Krych hears this name every day from the Arabs.
            Learn the materiel:


            Quote: hrych
            There is an official science, where ancient chroniclers are taken into account, which provide links to the chronicles of Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, recently, science has acquired cuneiform records between the rivers and Syria, which are in full agreement with the ancient chronicles, and there are mystical fables, which, with all the draw for ears, in no way correlate with chronicles, stellas and cuneiforms. Palestine has historically been part of Greater Syria, which Herodotus, the father of history, referred to as Palestine in addition to Palestine. In turn, Palestine was divided into Palestine Prima (where they put Judah and Samaria) and Palestine Salyutaris (Nabatea). Then all this was subordinated to the Caliphate. Everything else is virtual reality, i.e. just fiction. Unfortunately, neither Egyptian papyri, frescoes and steles, nor cuneiform scripts of Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Syria, nor the works of ancient chroniclers that have survived, confirm the existence of the Sokolov Empire, oh Solomon.

            Joseph Flavius ​​to help you. Try to refute it. wink
            1. hrych
              hrych 3 September 2018 19: 48
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Joseph Flavius ​​to help you. Try to refute it.

              He himself was invented in the 10th century by the same character as the fables allegedly described by him and in general this person did not know 5 estates of Servius Tullius, who are patricians, who are senators, who are the estate of horsemen, who are municipalities, who are plebeians, who are proletarians and ... slaves. And then one of the captive slaves takes the name of the great Roman house, and even became the imperial wassat Until the first century AD, India with its castes rests against Rome wassat and here the untouchable slave takes his full name, well, like "new Russian", "new Roman", etc. wassat Unfortunately, contemporaries of ancient Osip do not remember his fables, also after him, but when Rome rested in the Bose, all sorts of such stories appeared, though no one saw the originals in sight. Moreover, ancient chroniclers were in the vaults of the Vatican, and there is no such thing. Therefore, who wrote Gemaru, he invented Osip. That man was called Rashi, here are all the questions to him. He also, of course, declared himself a descendant ... of course, David and Solomon, a kind of birth certificate in 2 thousand years. Well, you have no choice but to believe. I respect the feelings of believers, but I myself refuse to believe, somehow Herodotus is closer to me, excuse me. And he is such a rascal about your tales nor gu-gu. Probably out of harm wassat
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 September 2018 18: 36
                -3
                Quote: hrych
                He himself was invented in the 10 century

                Right And this is also a fake. laughing


                Quote: hrych
                But Arafat pronounced clearly Falestenia, at least clearly pronounced, no phylystyne, there is no trace of it unequivocally. The second time clearly pronounced Celestia.

                Upload a video where tens of thousands of Fylystyns are chanting "FYLYSTYN" with one voice? wink
            2. hrych
              hrych 3 September 2018 20: 16
              +3
              But Arafat pronounced clearly Falestenia, at least clearly pronounced, no phylystyne, there is no trace of it unequivocally. The second time clearly pronounced Celestia.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 September 2018 21: 56
                -2
                Quote: hrych
                But Arafat pronounced clearly Falestenia, at least clearly pronounced, no phylystyne, there is no trace of it unequivocally. The second time clearly pronounced Celestia.

                Falesteniye is a Palestinian adjective.
      2. Professor
        Professor 3 September 2018 08: 12
        -1
        Quote: Volodin
        When someone in the comments writes the name of the country of Israel with a small letter, a wave of protest immediately begins - "you need to write correctly", "it's time to put in a warning." But it turns out that the name of Palestine can be distorted ...

        1. "Israeli state" as well as "Russian is spelled" with a capital letter. Adjective
        2. PALESTINE- in Arabic sounds FILYSTYN... This is how they want to name their state. You name your state "Russia"and the Greeks their own"Hellas"and the Arabs their own"Fylystyn"

        Quote: Jolly oldster sailor
        I agree, Oleg, nobody needs them. I just don’t understand why now it’s all this that is being thrown about in a wide variety of media?

        Trump got down to business ... However, we do not need Jordan in Judea and Samaria (or whatever they are in Arabic).

        1. Volodin
          Volodin 3 September 2018 08: 19
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          PALESTINE - Arabic sounds FILYSTYN.

          And you don't need to play around. When "VO" suddenly managed to become an Arabic-language site, then you will write your own "phylystyntsy" (even in Arabic). And now it "smells" of inciting ethnic hatred.

          And it was not about the "Israeli state", but about the name Israel (as well as about the name Palestine).
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 September 2018 08: 33
            -2
            Quote: Volodin
            And you don't need to play around. When "VO" suddenly managed to become an Arabic-language site, then you will write your own "phylystyntsy" (even in Arabic).

            Yah? The word "Daish" in your articles, my dear author, did not slip through or according to your "VO" suddenly managed to become an Arabic-language site?

            Quote: Volodin
            And now it "smells" of inciting ethnic hatred.

            Yeah, to use the country's name is "stirring up Betweenethnic strife. "How many years will I have for" Hellas "? wink

            Quote: Volodin
            And it was not about the "Israeli state", but about the name Israel (as well as about the name Palestine).

            We read again my comment.
            Strange, but before the 1967 year, Jordan took Judea and Samaria (or whatever they are in Arabic) and fylystynskom state did not even stutter. At one time, Egypt never wanted to take Gaza back. Now Jordan ... Nobody wants these "poor" fylystyntsev.
            Where is Fylystyn with a small letter? request

            Do not cast a shadow over the wattle fence.
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 3 September 2018 08: 49
              +4
              Yulite further, my dear reader. Only when next time something from the "Israel" series comes from someone, there is no need to make angry appeals. After all, it may be "in Arabic", but there are no capital letters.
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              2. borberd
                borberd 3 September 2018 15: 36
                +1
                Such expression and pathos about a non-existent country is "falostyn" bully ... You were caught not knowing your native language, and you, being caught on the "hot", translate the arrows. It is not good, however. Will you publish a list of your writings "works"? laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 September 2018 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: borberd
                  Such expression and pathos about a non-existent country is "falostyn" bully ... You were caught not knowing your native language, and you, being caught on the "hot", translate the arrows. It is not good, however. Will you publish a list of your writings "works"? laughing

                  And if FalostNyn - it will be generally two .. so to say the main mutant laughing
    2. Jolly oldster sailor
      Jolly oldster sailor 3 September 2018 08: 08
      +2
      I agree, Oleg, nobody needs them. I just don’t understand why now it’s all this that is being thrown about in a wide variety of media?
      1. Shahno
        Shahno 3 September 2018 16: 17
        +2
        As I understand it, it was a proposal to include the Palestinians in the Arab coalition, to give them independence as part of the confederation. The territories of Judea and Samaria and their formal status were not discussed. Although, as Mahmoud Abbas desired, we will take an active part in this part of the negotiations.
        P. S. It is not entirely clear why Palestinian autonomy is more legitimate than Kurdish ...
    3. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 3 September 2018 08: 43
      +2
      Professor, and you from the Palestinians already have nothing- "these rams you shorn to the skeleton" ??? Why are they not entitled to their state ???
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 September 2018 11: 43
        0
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Professor, and you from the Palestinians already have nothing- "these rams you shorn to the skeleton" ??? Why are they not entitled to their state ???

        Palestinians have nothing to cut a priori. Central African development. Since 1967, Israel and the flood monarchies have been pouring grandmothers into them. Since the mid-90s, the States and the EU. Since the 2000s, Qatar and Iran. Own earnings - tax deductions from Israel for the work of Palestinian guest workers. There is no industry. There is no oil gas. Electricity is Israeli. Water too. If the state is proclaimed, there will be no humanitarian aid and trenches to fight the Jews.
        So they are in no hurry to declare independence, setting Israel to an unacceptable a priori conditions. Otherwise, another impoverished country will appear - a la Kosovo in the Arabic version.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 3 September 2018 15: 35
          +1
          Krasnodar, my question is somewhat off topic: your nickname is Russian and your flag is also Russian, but you are Israeli in content. What does it mean?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 September 2018 16: 05
            +2
            Quote: vladcub
            Krasnodar, my question is somewhat off topic: your nickname is Russian and your flag is also Russian, but you are Israeli in content. What does it mean?

            I live in Russia, the city of Krasnodar laughing Before that he lived in Israel for 24 years.
    4. Livonetc
      Livonetc 3 September 2018 11: 10
      0
      Do not cry Oleg.
      Brace yourself.
      This is your cup.
      And finish it to the bottom for a long time.
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 September 2018 13: 43
        +4
        Quote: Livonetc
        Do not cry Oleg.
        Brace yourself.
        This is your cup.
        And finish it to the bottom for a long time.

        And we are not in a hurry. While time works for us. Our birth rate is growing, among the Fylystyns is falling. So you look and the problem will resolve itself.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 September 2018 07: 56
    0
    The King of Jordan will send everyone to ....
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 3 September 2018 08: 08
    +2
    Striped twists a new "good deal" ???
    Question - For whom will she be good? -
    In principle, the tail is trying to twist the dog, and sho say this option ???? and who will say, here's the question?
    However, who did the stripes ask about and when?
    1. hrych
      hrych 3 September 2018 09: 41
      +2
      Funny as it may seem, this move is an attempt to save the project - Israel, or rather, to prolong the agony of this project. Oddly enough it sounds, but this project became unnecessary and unprofitable even after removing the tension from the control of the Suez Canal, after the deal with Sadat and finally survived from need after the destruction of the Hussein regime. Keeping Israel for the West has become very unprofitable; Zakulisa has a reformatting plan for the Middle East and Arabia. In Syria and Yemen it did not grow together, in Egypt it did not grow together, Libya is not a great prize, on the contrary, the Africans and Arabs have flooded the EU, that the system has staggered. You can close the project of the Arab Spring, boldly calling it a complete failure.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 September 2018 10: 14
        +1
        Striped businessmen, of course, the material component is important to them, but we can have such an option - they will shit out of love for "art"!
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 September 2018 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: hrych
        Funny as it may seem, this move is an attempt to save the project - Israel, or rather, to prolong the agony of this project. Oddly enough it sounds, but this project became unnecessary and unprofitable even after removing the tension from the control of the Suez Canal, after the deal with Sadat and finally survived from need after the destruction of the Hussein regime. Keeping Israel for the West has become very unprofitable; Zakulisa has a reformatting plan for the Middle East and Arabia. In Syria and Yemen it did not grow together, in Egypt it did not grow together, Libya is not a great prize, on the contrary, the Africans and Arabs have flooded the EU, that the system has staggered. You can close the project of the Arab Spring, boldly calling it a complete failure.

        laughing What does it mean to “contain” a country whose GDP per capita exceeded English and French this year? Who contains Japan? Austria? Belgium? And in terms of the HDI, Israel has been overtaking countries for 5 years already ..))
        1. hrych
          hrych 3 September 2018 20: 08
          +1
          Well, GDP can be drawn, whatever. Israel is a subsidized state on the neck of the United States, well, Germany was forced to contain ... the winners of the Great War. As you know, the Israeli army is not in terms of population, therefore, without subsidies, this state would not withstand the strain. Very poor quality Israeli agricultural products would never stand the competition of the EU countries, but they are being pulled out of turn. The US allows low-quality but low-cost products of the Israeli military-industrial complex to enter the market of third countries, although they put obstacles to others, forcing them to take their junk. The United States gives contracts for the same F-35 nodes, etc., although their companies would have done much better. All this in the compartment costs the West a pretty penny, all the more there is Chinese cheapness and dumping quality Russian equipment. The Philippines, Indonesia and other Venezuelans, Myanmar and others. The West counts money very well and if the Israel project ultimately does not generate income (indirectly in the form of Suez’s oil transit), the project will be closed. So, of course, it’s fun, they told me to relocate to the desert, forced to die for the Canal and oil, and as we agreed with the Arabs for the canal and oil, we wiped out the Palestinians from Sinai and soon from the autonomy.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 3 September 2018 20: 41
            +3
            I thought so too. But then suddenly international rating agencies took up arms. And then I began to suggest an international Zionist conspiracy. Well, as if, at least somehow to justify.
            1. hrych
              hrych 3 September 2018 21: 18
              -1
              There is a conspiracy, but rather it’s not exactly what you said. Half of the people among the enemies in the Negev desert, provided unhindered passage of the Suez Canal, when the Soviets and Nasser wanted to capture it, and tankers would have to sail around Africa. And the second half is always at risk due to the fact that someone substitutes them, forcing them to conduct financial frauds, for which they will have to answer. Not only that, it was not the first time that they were framed in the revolution, using it to destroy states, then they committed genocide, in which the British were no less guilty. Therefore, even now, when apparent stability appears, both in New York and in Palestine, tension is building up and how it will end is not known.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 September 2018 22: 09
            -1
            Quote: hrych
            Well, GDP can be drawn, whatever. Israel is a subsidized state on the neck of the United States, well, Germany was forced to contain ... the winners of the Great War. As you know, the Israeli army is not in terms of population, therefore, without subsidies, this state would not withstand the strain. Very poor quality Israeli agricultural products would never stand the competition of the EU countries, but they are being pulled out of turn. The US allows low-quality but low-cost products of the Israeli military-industrial complex to enter the market of third countries, although they put obstacles to others, forcing them to take their junk. The United States gives contracts for the same F-35 nodes, etc., although their companies would have done much better. All this in the compartment costs the West a pretty penny, all the more there is Chinese cheapness and dumping quality Russian equipment. The Philippines, Indonesia and other Venezuelans, Myanmar and others. The West counts money very well and if the Israel project ultimately does not generate income (indirectly in the form of Suez’s oil transit), the project will be closed. So, of course, it’s fun, they told me to relocate to the desert, forced to die for the Canal and oil, and as we agreed with the Arabs for the canal and oil, we wiped out the Palestinians from Sinai and soon from the autonomy.

            Please tell me, does someone make Russia buy Israeli potatoes or carrots? At the gunpoint they are forced to take Cherry Tomatoes (by the way, an Israeli invention), Israeli pepper, avocado, onion, radish? laughing Why did the Russian Defense Ministry buy Israeli drones at one time? Why did Russia allow the construction of a pharmaceutical company Teva? Or maybe someone drives the Russians to go to Israel for treatment? And who made mail.ru buy Israeli ICQ? Why are Israeli irrigation systems and fertilizers popular with Russian farmers? And what are Israeli agronomists doing in Russia? Or is it the contribution of the Russian Federation to the cause of Zionism? wink
            1. hrych
              hrych 3 September 2018 22: 35
              +1
              Yes, they do. When the Russian Federation lost its independence, Western partners were forced to buy, like American, European and Israeli agricultural rubbish. Now, with import substitution, there is also a rejection of this muck, but everything takes time. Also in the liberal Medvedev government there is a certain lobby that interferes with the normal development of the economy. That the Russian Federation is an independent country, our president recently demonstrated by supporting one of Zakulis’s requirements for retirement age. It’s just that a struggle is also going on inside the backstage and the Russian Federation is leading it, but not against the backstage itself, but over its course. Zakulisa created a project - Israel, and she completes it. Therefore, options are being prepared on Tierra del Fuego, etc., for evacuation. In ancient Aryan Tierra del Fuego - Palestan (Scorched camp, apparently due to the death of Gomorrah and Co.)wassat
  5. _Kotegpushisteg_
    _Kotegpushisteg_ 3 September 2018 08: 09
    +5
    when was Palestine a full-fledged state not only by name? even if now good Israel gives them independence and the whole of Jerusalem they will remain consumers of handouts from the international community! sort of Kosovo in the Middle East
  6. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 September 2018 08: 14
    +1
    If this is Trump's brilliant idea, then he does not know history well. In the 70s, the Palestinians nearly banged the pope of the current king and tried to seize power in Jordan by terrorist methods, and even with the help of Syrian intervention.
    The Palestinians (they call these events “Black September”) and the Jordanians well remember this.
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 3 September 2018 09: 41
    -1
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Professor
    PALESTINA - in Arabic sounds FILYSTYN

    This is an absolute lie. Non-Hebrew name, with an accent of citizen Sokolov -fylystynand the Arabic name is falastin from the 7th century and the difference from the Latin name, only in the transition of P to the letter F.
    Quote: tTshka
    This is the essence ...

    There is an official science, where ancient chroniclers are taken into account, which provide links to the chronicles of Egyptians, Hittites, Babylonians, recently, science has acquired cuneiform records between the rivers and Syria, which are in full agreement with the ancient chronicles, and there are mystical fables, which, with all the draw for ears, in no way correlate with chronicles, stellas and cuneiforms. Palestine has historically been part of Greater Syria, which Herodotus, the father of history, referred to as Palestine in addition to Palestine. In turn, Palestine was divided into Palestine Prima (where they put Judah and Samaria) and Palestine Salyutaris (Nabatea). Then all this was subordinated to the Caliphate. Everything else is virtual reality, i.e. just fiction. Unfortunately, neither Egyptian papyri, frescoes and steles, nor cuneiform scripts of Mesopotamia, Anatolia and Syria, nor the works of ancient chroniclers that have survived, confirm the existence of the Sokolov Empire, oh Solomon.

    Just about the empire of Solomon (one city, five villages, the rest of the farm) there is archaeological and historical evidence. About Falyastyn (I write with an Arabic Palestinian accent) - the name is Roman. Palestine - from Aramaic plishtim - i.e. the country of the Felistimans - the Cretan population who founded Gaza, Ashkelon and Ashdod. The Arab conquerors, then the crusaders used the Roman name, and among the Turks it was a vilayet of South Syria.
    In general, the land of Canaan, which became the Land of Israel 3300 years ago, has many names - but, at the moment, there are two state entities on this territory - Israel and Jordan and two obscure - the Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria (in your opinion, these the names are not historical) and the Palestinian Branch of the Muslim Brotherhood organization (prohibited in the Russian Federation) - Hamas (for some reason it is allowed in the Russian Federation) in the Gaza Strip.
    1. hrych
      hrych 3 September 2018 10: 12
      +5
      Quote: Krasnodar
      there is archaeological and historical evidence

      Precisely not, unfortunately. Eliya Capitolina and Roman ruins, all further. And why it doesn’t merge with the chronicles and archeology, because in the 10th century AD everything was invented, because in the 10th century, historical science was weak. In the empire of the Seleucids, Ptolemyev and Romeyev, no one heard this from the middle of the millennium BC and after until the fall of antiquity. Before the Persian affairs, where there was also a discrepancy, the Persians did not hear, the Achashweros were not on the throne, etc. Prior to that, the Hittites, Egyptians and Assyro-Babylonians, there was silence again. Recent discoveries and decipherments of cuneiform records also did not give confirmation, and these are not just neighbors, but empires that fought for Palestine. Why is there nothing before or after the existence of Israel? Maybe there was simply nothing? The rest is a matter of faith, we do not touch this question. Otherwise, Hanuman must become a historical character.
      1. brigadier
        brigadier 3 September 2018 11: 16
        +4
        This is the arch of Titus from Rome (today) -

        This is the coat of arms of modern Israel on the Titus Arch:


        The Arch of Titus (Arcus Titi) stands near the Roman Forum at the highest point of the Via Sacra Sacred Road, along which the Roman armies solemnly, with victory, returned to the Capitol.

        The soldiers passed through an arch, built in memory of the capture of Jerusalem, about the victory in a bloody battle, and marched through the Forum - the main public and commercial square, the heart of ancient Rome.



        Well, and who was not? What is not proven? Why even raise this topic? Be dishonored?
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 3 September 2018 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: brigadir
          Well, and who was not? What is not proven? Why even raise this topic? Be dishonored?
          You can clarify, did not have time to create or bristle, as soon as they circumcised, but as historically Jews as people were, there was no kingdom yet, the tribe ran through the desert. Let's just say, they began to build the Jewish kingdom, the state is not just for you, it just appeared .... hi
          Arch Tito was built in honor of the campaign of Rome to Jerusalem, the "kingdom of the Jews" did not last long to leave a significant mark in history, but the beginning was difficult to deny. True, after Tito's campaign, in fact there are no traces of the existence of the Jewish kingdom, where did you disappear ... lol

          How the Palestinians lived then .... wassat
          In the 3rd millennium BC. e. The Canaanites settled Galilee. Their largest center was Hatzor. In the 2nd millennium BC e. Hurrites, Hittites, and Egyptians appear here. Then the country comes into the view of the Israeli tribes and becomes part of the kingdom of Israel. In 722 BC e. Galilee is part of the Assyrian state, the local population is evicted and replaced by Assyrian colonists. In 539 BC e. Galilee passes under the rule of Persia. In 333 BC e. the troops of Alexander the Great conquer Galilee from the Persians, the colonization of lands by Greek and Macedonian colonists begins. After this period, Galileo changed hands several times between the Hellenistic dynasties of the Ptolemies of Egypt and the Syrian Seleucids, until the conquest of Galilee by Rome in 63 BC. e.

          From the reign of the Hasmoneans and the Maccabees to the conquest of the Roman forces in 63 BC. e. Galilee was repeatedly subjected to predatory raids by the kingdom of Judea. In the XNUMXst century AD e. Judah the Galilean, along with several Jewish priests, rioted in the city of Sepphoris, which provoked the arrival of Roman troops in Galilee, as a result of which it was devastated, most of the local population was killed, and the rest were sold into slavery by the Romans. Since the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in the 70s. e. the mass migration of Jews to the devastated Galilee begins, their development of the territories of Galilee and Samaria, the building and construction of synagogues. In 636, Galilee was annexed to the Jordanian province of the Caliphate.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 3 September 2018 19: 35
            +4
            I apologize to you. There were 20 times less defenders than legions. Well then we learned, experience as they say. Taught on your own head.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 3 September 2018 20: 47
              +2
              Quote: Shahno
              I apologize to you. There were 20 times less defenders than legions. Well then we learned, experience as they say. Taught on your own head.
              Thank you, I understand you, but why should we be ashamed of the fact that the Jews even then realized that you can survive at that time only by building a state. I think this is a very strong step in the history of the Jewish kingdom, this step largely determined the survival of the Jews, not everyone could have decided at that time on such a dangerous step. So on the contrary, one should be proud, albeit a small step, but bold, by the way which has come down to our times. The interesting thing is that when they built the temple, in fact, the Jews realized that they laid the foundation for their identity ..... yes hi
              If you want a change in the future - become this change in the present - Gandhi Mahatma

              True, everything is so intertwined in BV there that the first time you will understand who is who. According to my conclusions, the Jews are people of the Middle East, but with their own identity, at the same time they could join any Muslim state without any extra problems, but they took a different path. And if you sort through the clans and tribes, it turns out there could be a lot of states could appear, but not all were able, I think this does not apply to the Jews, the temple was, it means there was a beginning, and so there was a kingdom, albeit not within large borders .... yes
        2. hrych
          hrych 3 September 2018 20: 46
          +2
          If you put on your coat of arms a certain candlestick that the Romans dragged when someone was once again groaned, then this is your problem. Palestine has long belonged to Rome and some devil to conquer it, and even with triumph. This is nonsense. On the Arch it is not indicated who they killed because the Arch was built by Domitian in honor of Titus, and the inscription reads: "The Senate and the people of Rome [dedicate this arch] to the divine Titus Vespasian Augustus, son of the divine Vespasian." All. But most importantly, on the seven-branched candlestick ... sea animals, ala monsters, which speaks of a seaport Mediterranean city and ... definitely not a Jewish tradition, which forbids images of monsters, idols, idols, etc. There should only be inscriptions in the Aramaic alphabet, well, arnamet, but they are not and all the crap because the Torah clearly prohibits figurative depictions of people and animals. Especially on the Menorah. All ales wassat
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 22: 32
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            There should only be inscriptions in the Aramaic alphabet, well, arnamet, and they are not there, and all the krants because in the Torah there is a clear ban on the figurative depiction of people and animals. Especially on the Menorah. All ales

            So I think the Torah is still so current and it was not like a book, a couple of sheets and that's all, after a while they attributed everything to it. Also, based on the location of the tribes in the territory of today's Israel, the kingdom of the Jews itself was not like that, but there were certain religious trends in the tribes, for sure. Therefore, the very symbol of the "minor" was borrowed or altered for faith in order to get the historical attachment of the tribe to one of the famous or influential tribes at that time ... something like that ... hi
            GALILEA (in Hebrew - Galil, I. Nav. 20, 7; 21, 32; 1 Chronicles 6, 76; in 70 and in the New Testament Γαλιλαἱα) - the northern region of Palestine, especially known from the Gospel. Since this land was inhabited by many pagan tribes, then the prophet Isaiah (9, 1) calls her "Pagan Galilee." Subsequently, this name began to be applied to the entire mountainous hill lying between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, to which the plain of Ezdrilon adjoined. In the Maccabean era, we already see this area separated from Samaria and Judea. Galil. constituted one of the three main parts of Palestine west of the Jordan (Luke 17: 11; Acts 9,31).

            Galilee - Jezreel settlement

            Jezreel Valley
          2. alexsipin
            alexsipin 4 September 2018 20: 43
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            definitely not a Jewish tradition prohibiting the depiction of monsters, idols, idols, etc.

            The 2000-year-old Beit Alpha Synagogue helps you. For 2 thousand years since the Hellenistic period, religious canons have changed. In this synagogue there is not just an image of animals, but also pagan Greek gods.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 September 2018 11: 52
        -4
        Quote: hrych
        Quote: Krasnodar
        there is archaeological and historical evidence

        Precisely not, unfortunately. Eliya Capitolina and Roman ruins, all further. And why it doesn’t merge with the chronicles and archeology, because in the 10th century AD everything was invented, because in the 10th century, historical science was weak. In the empire of the Seleucids, Ptolemyev and Romeyev, no one heard this from the middle of the millennium BC and after until the fall of antiquity. Before the Persian affairs, where there was also a discrepancy, the Persians did not hear, the Achashweros were not on the throne, etc. Prior to that, the Hittites, Egyptians and Assyro-Babylonians, there was silence again. Recent discoveries and decipherments of cuneiform records also did not give confirmation, and these are not just neighbors, but empires that fought for Palestine. Why is there nothing before or after the existence of Israel? Maybe there was simply nothing? The rest is a matter of faith, we do not touch this question. Otherwise, Hanuman must become a historical character.

        There are archaeological finds from the era of David, Solomon, Makaveev and Bar - Kokhba. Not talking about the era of Vleksandr Yanay and Pilate)))
        1. hrych
          hrych 3 September 2018 20: 57
          +2
          Only fakes unfortunately wassat And please, if coins or images that contain Aramaic signs that were accepted for writing Hebrew texts, do not accept them. The Aramaic alphabet, owned by the Phoenicians, was also used as a lingua franca in the Assyrian and Persian empires, i.e. even with the Seleucids and the Romans, it still circulated and the presence of these beeches does not confirm the existence of the Macawites, etc. Unfortunately, the Hittite and Babylonian cuneiform libraries confirm everything, but not the empire of Solomon.
    2. Moskovit
      Moskovit 3 September 2018 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      and two obscure

      You yourself made them like that. Just don’t say that you have offered independence to Palestine a hundred times.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 3 September 2018 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Moskovit
        Quote: Krasnodar
        and two obscure

        You yourself made them like that. Just don’t say that you have offered independence to Palestine a hundred times.

        Palestinian Arabs themselves refused independence in 1948 by rejecting the UN resolution on the creation of two states for two peoples (it’s easier to overcome someone else’s than to create their own, right? laughing ) They did not raise the issue of independence, being occupied in 1948-49 by Jordanians and Egyptians. Their Palestine Liberation Organization, established in 1964, sought to liberate Israel from the Jews. The question is - after all this, why and what should we offer them? They suggested that the Israeli Arabs give their settlements under the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority in exchange for Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria. Such a howl rose! Nobody wanted to leave Israeli salaries, social programs and medicine ...
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 3 September 2018 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      at the moment, in this territory there are two state entities - Israel and Jordan and two obscure - the Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria


      it is controversial to call Jordan, invented by the British crown "TransJordan" in 1921 more "understandable" than "Fylistina" (in quotes since such a state does not exist de facto) or Narnia.
      an explosive mixture of tribes which by some miracle is still held by the Hashimites.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 September 2018 09: 50
    +2
    ready to implement the "second part of the transaction"
    It is only in the United States that political moves and actions are called a deal, a "good deal", a "great deal" (according to Trump). Everything for them has only a commercial component. Traders and bandits in one package of "shining democracy".
    1. borberd
      borberd 3 September 2018 15: 48
      0
      And you probably do everything at a loss? Ai-ya-yai is not good to cheat.
    2. brigadier
      brigadier 4 September 2018 16: 32
      0
      The English word deal has several meanings. One of them - and not the most used one, is translated into Russian as "deal". Trump means "agreement", "contract."
      An agreement and a deal means almost the same thing, but it sounds very different.
      The deal is something dishonest, vile, vile, but the contract, the agreement is very decent.
      Nuance decides everything!
  9. XXXIII
    XXXIII 3 September 2018 10: 38
    +1
    In Washington, decided that after recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel it's time to give some kind of "gingerbread" to Palestine. About the "originality of American gingerbread" a little lower.
    Please note that Washington recognizes only the western part of Jerusalem and not like not all of Jerusalem .....
    https://www.state.gov/p/nea/ci/is/index.htm

    USA - Palestine: Create a confederation with Jordan. What did Abbas answer?
    The path to dialogue and dialogue is always good .... hi
    1. Ncplc
      Ncplc 3 September 2018 10: 56
      +1
      You are mistaken, the United States recognized all of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but the Russian Federation only western Jerusalem.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 3 September 2018 12: 01
        +4
        Quote: Ncplc
        You are mistaken, the United States recognized all of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but the Russian Federation only western Jerusalem.

        What did you accept there, this is the department of the United States, follow the link and make sure that you are recognized only in the western territories .... laughing
        1. Ncplc
          Ncplc 3 September 2018 12: 54
          +1
          Looked at your link and what it saw — President Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on December 6, 2017, and the US Embassy to Israel moved from Tel Aviv to an interim. So what about "something there took" is sick to you.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 13: 24
            0
            Quote: Ncplc
            Looked at your link and what it saw — President Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on December 6, 2017, and the US Embassy to Israel moved from Tel Aviv to an interim. So what about "something there took" is sick to you.
            Only this western part is recognized, there is no clarification which part of Jerusalem and the map in the department is attached with the exact indication of the borders of Israel! What are you already lying to yourself? laughing
            Do you need Jews in the western part? belay
            Want to attack at night? lol
            1. borberd
              borberd 3 September 2018 15: 52
              -1
              These are the borders of Jerusalem we draw, and such will be recognized as the capital of Israel. In your link there is not a word about the borders, nor a word about West or East Jerusalem. Little, we are not going to share our shrines.
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 3 September 2018 19: 03
                +2
                Quote: borberd
                These are the borders of Jerusalem we draw, and such will be recognized as the capital of Israel. In your link there is not a word about the borders, nor a word about West or East Jerusalem. Little, we are not going to share our shrines.

                Washington turns out the latest statements divided Jerusalem into two parts, West Bank (West Bank) was given to Palestine, and Israel recognized this, who controls your country there ?! lol
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 3 September 2018 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: XXXIII
          What did you accept there, this is the department of the United States, follow the link and make sure that you are recognized only in the western territories ....


          it is of course very interesting who and how many quarters of Jerusalem (Yerushalaym) recognize.

          This city is our capital since the time of King David.
          Yes, with little interference in the form of the Babylonians, Greeks and Romans, but as they say, they are all in museums and we are on the farm, we are chasing a riffraff.

          ps. rather, the crayfish will learn to fly than the Jews will give someone at least the back street of Jerusalem.
          nah have a little.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 22: 45
            +1
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            ps. rather, the crayfish will learn to fly than the Jews will give someone at least the back street of Jerusalem.
            nah have a little.

            Damn, on the other side they also think so, it may still be common, because the whole story of your appearance is there, but you didn’t appear on your own, you and others lived nearby, time and faith have divided you, but now you must understand that you are one community, but with different views ... hi
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 4 September 2018 06: 34
              +1
              Quote: XXXIII
              but now you must understand that you are one community, but with different views ...


              it can be successfully affirmed about any peoples and conflicts.
              in theory it’s correct but in reality it’s pointless.
              Would you like to share Moscow with fraternal people? of course not.

              ps. you will arrive as you like in BV. learn arabic culture, jewish. what difference can you see.
              I personally try not to give advice to other people and nations. life is complicated, especially a stranger.
              hi
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 4 September 2018 11: 26
                +1
                Yes, this is not advice at all, you can prove to neighboring villages that you are the same owners, and maybe the main ones, on these lands. It is clear that in real life you need strength, but you don’t just have to go down to the political plane, the history of your ancestors should be shown to the Palestinians and other neighbors more often for prevention, rather than being scattered all over the world, so the world for the most part studies the history of peoples. A well-honed historical blow will be much stronger, if the army explains it to those who do not understand much, history will hit hard for a long time. And disagreements with each minute only multiply, the world is not constant and changing, and history is the law of the universe, it is impossible to be nobody in history, since it mentions someone ...... hi
                ps. You put books in humanitarian aid to them more, cheaper and more practical, and not sweet candy ..... lol
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII 3 September 2018 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: Ncplc
        You're wrong

        By the way, the golan on the map are also not yours, what is there to host or protect? ..... smile
        1. borberd
          borberd 3 September 2018 15: 52
          +2
          And the Golan is recognized as ours, do not worry so. laughing
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 19: 05
            +2
            Quote: borberd
            And the Golan is recognized as ours, do not worry so. laughing

            What is being squeezed out to the sea and no one helps to fight arbitrariness against the Jews ?! You urgently need a new ally ... laughing
  10. Livonetc
    Livonetc 3 September 2018 11: 15
    +3
    Quote: Ncplc
    You are mistaken, the United States recognized all of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but the Russian Federation only western Jerusalem.

    I missed this fact.
    Really.
    And in the spring of 17 years.
    Somehow, apparently everyday passed.
    6.04.1710:40
    Statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry
    682-06-04-2017

    de-DE1 en-GB1 es-ES1 ru-RU1 fr-FR1
    Moscow is deeply concerned about the state of affairs in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement. While the Palestinians and Israelis have not been engaged in political negotiations among themselves for almost three years, the situation on the ground is steadily degrading.

    The vacuum in the Middle East peace process creates fertile ground for unilateral steps that undermine the prospects for an internationally recognized solution to the Palestinian problem, according to which two states - Israel and Palestine - will coexist in peace and security with each other and all their neighbors.

    Moscow still considers the formula for negotiating a two-state settlement to be optimal and meeting both the national interests of the Palestinian and Israeli peoples friendly to us, and the interests of all countries of the region and the world community as a whole.

    We reaffirm our commitment to the UN decisions on the principles of settlement, including the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state. At the same time, we consider it necessary to state that in this context we consider West Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

    The specific parameters for resolving the full range of issues regarding the final status of the Palestinian territories, including the Jerusalem problem, should be agreed upon during direct negotiations between the parties. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, a co-sponsor of the peace process and an active participant in the Middle East Quartet of international mediators, Russia will continue to assist the Israelis and Palestinians in reaching appropriate agreements. We will pay special attention to ensuring freedom of access for all believers to the holy places of Jerusalem.

  11. vladcub
    vladcub 3 September 2018 15: 10
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
    I will repeat a little. But this Jordanian "king" apart from his servants and further the territory of his palace does not command anything and nothing depends on him, except for the "royal" menu in his kitchen. And in Jordan, all and sundry rule. Ranging from ordinary punks to "exceptional" and flea.

    Where does the information come from?
  12. vladcub
    vladcub 3 September 2018 15: 17
    +2
    Quote: XXXIII
    Quote: Ncplc
    Looked at your link and what it saw — President Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel on December 6, 2017, and the US Embassy to Israel moved from Tel Aviv to an interim. So what about "something there took" is sick to you.
    Only this western part is recognized, there is no clarification which part of Jerusalem and the map in the department is attached with the exact indication of the borders of Israel! What are you already lying to yourself? laughing
    Do you need Jews in the western part? belay
    Want to attack at night? lol

    And when did a Jew refuse a whole ruble for the sake of 50 kopecks? So it is with Jerusalem
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 September 2018 15: 29
      +2
      Honestly, only between us ... I have never seen such a Russian either .. Only to anyone - shhh ... laughing
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 3 September 2018 19: 09
        +2
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Honestly, only between us ... I have never seen such a Russian either .. Only to anyone - shhh ... laughing

        But don’t prove it .... fellow
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 September 2018 19: 26
          +1
          I swear the freedom ... of the Palestinian people! If I'm lying, let them close the House-2 project!
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 3 September 2018 19: 07
      +1
      Quote: vladcub
      And when did a Jew refuse a whole ruble for the sake of 50 kopecks? So it is with Jerusalem

      Well, yes, they lost this ruble in the eastern part of Jerusalem even before the Jews came to these lands .... laughing
  13. flicker
    flicker 3 September 2018 20: 33
    0
    Yeah, let the Palestinian issue now be a headache for Jordan or Egypt. I think the latter can agree if all their territories, including Jerusalem, are returned to the Palestinians.