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Erdogan: it's time to end the dollar

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It is necessary to do away with the dominance of the US dollar in international trade, transfers RIA News statement by Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan.



The domination of the dollar must be put an end, using the national currency in the calculations, Erdogan said, speaking at the Turkey-Kyrgyzstan business forum in Bishkek.

According to him, a system tied to the US currency, which was originally created to simplify trade, has now become a huge problem - the trade wars started by the US are forcing to use new strategies.

The President noted that the current manipulation of exchange rates is an attempt to force the country to doubt Turkey’s healthy and strong economy. However, thanks to the efforts of Ankara and the support of the Turkish people, this attempt failed, Erdogan added.

Recall the recent worsening of relations between Ankara and Washington was provoked, including by the case of American pastor Andrew Brunson, whom the Turkish authorities arrested in 2016 year on suspicion of anti-government activities. After Ankara’s refusal to release the pastor, the United States imposed sanctions against Turkish Justice Minister Abdulahmit Gul and Interior Minister Suleyman Soilu, accusing them of violating human rights.

Then from Washington was followed by an increase in duties on Turkish steel and aluminum. This caused the collapse of the Turkish lira. Ankara responded by increasing duties on American goods, including automobiles, tobacco, alcohol, cosmetics, rice and other products.
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  1. Sxron
    Sxron 2 September 2018 13: 27
    +26
    Erdogan, be careful with such statements .. Kadaffi I remember, he also said this and tried to realize it!
    A crowd of Arab liberals tore and raped!
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 2 September 2018 13: 34
      +23
      Quote: Sxron
      I remember Gadaffi, he also said this and tried to implement it!

      It began much earlier, with General De Gaulle in 1964, when he wanted to exchange dollars with the United States for gold ... The first orange revolution just happened in France. But the fact that it’s time to leave the dollar in mutual settlements is right.
      1. cniza
        cniza 2 September 2018 13: 56
        +9
        The first paid De Gaulle, though now the situation is somewhat different, but they will not forgive him ...
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 2 September 2018 14: 10
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          The first paid De Gaulle, though now the situation is somewhat different, but they will not forgive him ...

          They won’t forgive ... yes, everything can sprinkle very quickly ... and nothing can be stopped already (I mean the dollar).
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 2 September 2018 20: 41
            +1
            [quote = Dashout] They will not forgive ... yes, everything can sprinkle very quickly ... and it will be impossible to stop anything (I mean the dollar).
            if the dollar really threatens anything, then wars or war will immediately begin, and again the dollar will be like a phoenix!
        2. Sergey39
          Sergey39 2 September 2018 14: 17
          +4
          Now it will be more difficult for them, then there was one France, then one Libya. And today, Iran and Pakistan, Turkey can be added to Russia and China. The question is India and the EU, and of course Trump troublemaker.
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 2 September 2018 17: 04
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          but they will not forgive him ...

          hi Victor.
          This is definitely not forgiven. But what is the "sultan". Openly runs into confrontation. Respect (in this matter).
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 September 2018 17: 33
            +1
            Greetings Leo! hi Yes, a very bold act.
      2. Sxron
        Sxron 2 September 2018 14: 00
        +7
        Quote: helmi8
        It began much earlier, with General De Gaulle in 1964, when he wanted to exchange US dollars for gold ..

        That's right ... Ship stuffed with dollars in exchange for gold sent to the USA!
        And after that, the dollar was no longer provided with a gold reserve .... Just stupidly printed and robbed the world!
        1. GibSoN
          GibSoN 2 September 2018 22: 42
          -5
          That's right ... Ship stuffed with dollars in exchange for gold sent to the USA!
          What, right ?! What is gold? Metal! Which does not belong to anyone! It's just metal that belongs to the earth! What changes who got it from the earth? What is gold anyway? What is its value? Let's dig deeper! What is gold good for? To exchange for beads? Well, now let's in fact! Namely about the USA! The USA has so many beads that they simply do not need this gold! What difference does it make who owns the gold, if, if desired, the United States can take it all away, that is, completely! Let's go further .. based on further logic .. Who will ever need gold after you have presented your next logical argument with two letters YAO ?! Now let's go down to earth, and start to reason soberly .. Now, regarding what is provided for the US economy, which is completely in debt and in general will rot tomorrow .. The USA has something that no one else has close at all! Even those completely premature 11 aircraft carriers, which are just about nothing, against the background of super-ultra-mega-calibers, cost money! Returning to the beginning, what is money in your understanding? Dollars? They're just paper! Gold? How much are these 11 aircraft carriers worth in gold? Continue further? Economics is a system of extreme relativity .. In fact, those who have opportunities decide! If in a nutshell, the Russian Federation, in this case, generally exists only because of the presence of nuclear weapons .. In what, in general, that is, a certain share of merit is the United States and no one else .. Of all the countries with which Russia had "close "relations, the United States, the only country that even seized part of Russia with almost no problem, did not abuse its position .. That is, they did not have to be kicked out of the country! Not to mention how much has been invested in the development of the Russian Federation, against the background of all other countries. Let's be realistic! I understand that the current trend towards rapprochement with Asia, namely with China, is very sympathetic to many, but rest assured, the United States, as a partner for the Russian Federation, compared to China, is just childish babble .. Well, as for everyone else, there is nothing to consider there ...
      3. Sandor Clegane
        Sandor Clegane 2 September 2018 14: 05
        0
        Quote: helmi8
        But the fact that it’s time to leave the dollar in mutual settlements is right.

        while these are just words - there is no real tool yet
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 September 2018 14: 44
          -3
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          Quote: helmi8
          But the fact that it’s time to leave the dollar in mutual settlements is right.

          while these are just words - there is no real tool yet

          what? ))))
        2. helmi8
          helmi8 2 September 2018 15: 33
          +3
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          while these are just words - there is no real tool yet

          The real tool is settlement in national currency.
          1. Sandor Clegane
            Sandor Clegane 2 September 2018 21: 53
            -1
            Quote: helmi8
            The real tool is settlement in national currency.

            laughing do you understand that? 1 ruble = 1 yuan? or 1 ruble = 1 tenge? who will be and most importantly how to regulate?
            Quote: den3080
            prescribed calculations exclusively in national currencies, and
            Let them change further.
            and who and what course will set? wassat
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            But everyone uses SWIFT ... That's where the main problem, in my opinion.
            Swift is a problem, but adjusting local currencies to one denominator is an even bigger problem
            Quote: poquello
            what? ))))
            yes over your shoulders love
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 September 2018 22: 17
              -1
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              who will be and most importantly how to regulate?

              Yes, as well as now, by trading, the dollar can you tell me which side except one of the currencies?
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              Swift is a problem

              Swift analog implemented
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              adjusting local currencies to one denominator is an even bigger problem

              "we ourselves are not local"))) I panic ...
              1. Sandor Clegane
                Sandor Clegane 3 September 2018 08: 54
                0
                Quote: poquello
                Yes, as well as now, by trading, the dollar can you tell me which side except one of the currencies?

                lol Yes it can’t be - the buck is the determining currency. write down the cost of a cubic meter of gas when selling it to Turkey, at today's price without reference to the dollar in national currencies!
                1. poquello
                  poquello 3 September 2018 11: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Sandor Clegane
                  Buck is the determining currency. write down the cost of a cubic meter of gas when selling it to Turkey, at today's price without reference to the dollar in national currencies!

                  ) and the cost of a cubic meter of gas in rubles does not exist in principle?
                  the exchange of the ruble to the lira is also not?
                  the dollar is not decisive, but tied as decisive, as it was tied and untied, the Chinese are launching exchanges in RMB - and they’re right
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 3 September 2018 20: 34
              +2
              Quote: Sandor Clegane
              do you understand that? 1 ruble = 1 yuan? or 1 ruble = 1 tenge? who will be and most importantly how to regulate?

              Yes Easy! one ruble is equal to one kilowatt of electricity, always. Everything else dances from this. In this way, the ruble will become the most stable currency.
        3. den3080
          den3080 2 September 2018 17: 09
          +5
          But how is there no tool?
          I cannot understand this in any way.
          agreed and began to trade in national currencies, such as Russia and China.
          Not only this, but also to all friends who want to receive dollars for their goods (importers), prescribed payments exclusively in national currencies, and then let them change them themselves.
          Will America and Europe refuse? Yes, neither in life, neither one nor the other will want to lose such a huge market (China, Russia, Turkey - almost 2 billion people), India will also swing and the “peaks of trumps” of the dollar.
          And they will carry their goods as nice, for yuan, rubles, lira and rupees.
          Hebrew fat again wink organize money exchange offices around the world, as in the good old days.
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 September 2018 19: 12
          +1
          Quote: Sandor Clegane
          while these are just words - there is no real tool yet

          Somewhere you're right ... hi
          Valuation in dollars, calculation in national currencies ... But everyone uses SWIFT ... This is where the main problem, in my opinion. negative
    2. poquello
      poquello 2 September 2018 14: 07
      +5
      Quote: Sxron
      Gaddafi remembers saying that too

      and Erdogan did not try to overthrow the United States already?
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 2 September 2018 14: 22
        +5
        Quote: poquello
        and Erdogan did not try to overthrow the United States already?

        It was, and not just once. Only after the last coup attempt did he seem to realize that this was not the last time.
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 September 2018 14: 48
          +2
          Quote: Kurare
          Quote: poquello
          and Erdogan did not try to overthrow the United States already?

          It was, and not just once. Only after the last coup attempt did he seem to realize that this was not the last time.

          The USA is time to cook chzumadan on isherlik, either with things and home, or with money for a good increase in rent
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 2 September 2018 16: 05
            0
            Striped will crush any attempt to escape from green in the calculations, this is their cash cow and joker!
            Even a community such as BRICS, not weak like states, was already felt by the former. President D Rousseff is already gone, dismissed! There, even real actions did not happen, because trading with bright ones is a priority for many!
            However, nothing lasts forever and the dollar goes into oblivion!
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 September 2018 16: 24
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Striped will crush any attempt to escape from green in the calculations, this is their cash cow and joker!
              Even a community such as BRICS, not weak like states, was already felt by the former. President D Rousseff is already gone, dismissed! There, even real actions did not happen, because trading with bright ones is a priority for many!
              However, nothing lasts forever and the dollar goes into oblivion!

              A developed fifth column and agents of influence scattered by the United States around the world, the court forbade Luis DeSilva to participate in the next elections in Brazil, however, it is unlikely that American attempts to keep the peace on the American reservation.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 2 September 2018 16: 37
                0
                Trump, of course, works for the USA, his forehead wasn’t spoken there, only his actions are too rude, only the maidanut / covered / Baltic ones are ready to demolish them whole head.
                Striped are strong and the buck is the most important, but for now.
    3. Vita vko
      Vita vko 2 September 2018 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Sxron
      be careful with such statements

      "Wolves are afraid not to go to the forest."
      Actually Turkey and the whole world now have a small choice.
      Or to be in economic slavery in the USA, providing liquidity of the American currency with its goods and labor. Or look for allies and trading partners with those who have been struggling with this for decades.
    4. nickname7
      nickname7 4 September 2018 10: 13
      0
      dollar dominance it's time to end
      A vigorous cow, the god of horns did not give.
      Fighters with the dollar should remember that after devaluations the national currency is laughing, those who kept money in dirty papers and who in national currencies cry, calculating losses.
  2. Azim77
    Azim77 2 September 2018 13: 27
    +2
    Wah, as he said. smile Suddenly. Who has Turkish lira?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 2 September 2018 13: 32
      +3
      Do you want to buy or sell? wink
      1. Azim77
        Azim77 2 September 2018 13: 46
        +2
        It depends on whether he has already purchased С400 or not. smile
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 2 September 2018 14: 07
          +4
          Well, then there’s a technical break in the exchanger. laughing
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 September 2018 19: 17
          +1
          Quote: Azim77

          It depends on whether he has already purchased С400 or not.

          And what, from this gold has become less, or "tomatoes" are not yet ripe !?
          Quote: sabakina
          Well then in the exchanger a technical break

          Yeah, the scales need to be checked and calibrated to a milligram so as not to be mistaken when weighing Au! laughing
          1. Azim77
            Azim77 2 September 2018 20: 41
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            And what, from this gold has become less, or "tomatoes" are not yet ripe !?

            It may turn out that after such statements by the Turkish president, without C400 or at least C300 in number, Turkish lira will no longer be needed in the near future.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 3 September 2018 18: 24
              +1
              Quote: Azim77
              It may turn out that after such statements by the Turkish president, without C400 or at least C300 in number, Turkish lira will no longer be needed in the near future.

              But what about North Atlantic solidarity !?
              Nooo ... the States will not trample on an open military adventure against the "supporting" flanking member of the alliance! The rest will simply not understand them: they will scatter to the corners, and maybe even worse - they will take and show European solidarity! Then the Yankees will wash themselves with saliva ... from rabies !!! bully
    2. Vard
      Vard 2 September 2018 14: 10
      +2
      In any ATM in Turkey with a mastercard you will be given out for rubles ... Lira ...
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 2 September 2018 13: 36
    +3
    The Americans do not forgive the attacks on the hegemony of the dollar, but in particular it was they who took the first step to overthrow, and here the Russians. In fact, Erdogan does not have much time and opportunities, but the Americans will feel his steps. We have to wait a bit, the Americans have an instant reaction, they are silent will not, during the speech of the representative of the State Department, new steps will be understood.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 2 September 2018 19: 21
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      It remains to wait a bit, the Americans have an instant reaction, they will not be silent,

      What do the Americans have to do with it !? The FRS belongs to the clans of God's chosen ones, and this is much more dangerous than the naive Yankees! The world government will clearly not tolerate such "rudeness"! This is what the "Sultan" should be wary of.
      AHA.
  4. Yujanin
    Yujanin 2 September 2018 13: 38
    +8
    Ardagan criticizes the United States all the time. Either he has Faberge steel or does not hold bank accounts in the West.
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 14: 03
      +4
      Quote: Yujanin
      Ardagan criticizes the United States all the time. Either he has Faberge steel or does not hold bank accounts in the West.

      Looks like there are no accounts, but does Azerbaijan surprise you?
      1. Yujanin
        Yujanin 2 September 2018 14: 58
        +5
        Looks like there are no accounts, but does Azerbaijan surprise you?


        You and I need to envy him.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 September 2018 19: 25
          +3
          Quote: Yujanin
          You and I need to envy him.

          Oh !?
          In my opinion, the GDP acts according to popular wisdom: "The word is tin, silence is gold!"
          There is no need to shout to the whole jungle that you are going to step on Anaconda's tail. Better, silently - "cut off her tail up to her ears!" bully
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 2 September 2018 20: 47
            -2
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            In my opinion, the GDP acts according to popular wisdom: "The word is tin, silence is gold!"

            in the original folk wisdom sounds differently - the word silver, silence is gold. And the GDP showed the people with what part of the people he is.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 3 September 2018 18: 29
              0
              Quote: aybolyt678
              And the GDP showed the people with what part of the people he is.

              Well, yes, not a Marxist ... He does not openly shout about class solidarity and the need to "dispossess" the bourgeoisie. However, it was he who put an end to the seven bankers ... And silently milks the oligarchy for the needs of the people on occasion ...
              And he proceeds from a simple message: "kapitalyugi" - they are also the Russian people, although many do not like it. But it is so! This is a fact, and you can't get away from it.
              1. Leningrades1989
                Leningrades1989 4 September 2018 12: 24
                0
                "Kapitalyugi" -they are always international, and therefore not the people. As for interests, the government always protects the interests of the ruling class - in our case, the interests of the oligarchic clans and sometimes the smaller bourgeoisie. The overwhelming majority of the wage workers (formerly the proletariat) do not care about their interests in power, which is perfectly logical. In the USSR, power belonged to the workers, and therefore reflected their interests. To which class the power belongs, the interests of those and reflects, yet it is banal simply.
  5. Peter Tsar
    Peter Tsar 2 September 2018 14: 03
    +2
    Here I feel preparations for the overthrow of the dollar from the throne. And the statements of Erdogan and others are reconnaissance in battle.
  6. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 14: 11
    +1
    Quote: helmi8
    The first orange revolution just happened in France.

    The first orange revolution happened in Russia - in February 1917, and the October one - the second too.
  7. Snail N9
    Snail N9 2 September 2018 14: 13
    -5
    The funny thing is that trading on all well-known international exchanges is only in dollars. You can sell on your exchanges, for lira and rubles, no one bothers, only now, as long as the rest of the majority offer their goods on other exchanges for dollars, no one will buy anything from you - you will have to convert dollar prices into your currencies, which, let's say so "volatile" and then, again in dollars, to keep from depreciation, the losses will be decent. Well, you can still indulge in "a la 90s" barter - "planes in exchange for palm oil" as it was already .... only now, the intermediate equivalent of the cost of barter goods, again, is calculated through the "nasty" dollar .. ... wink The only thing that will help to get away from the dollar is the "blockchain" technology, and the transition to crypto, in order to exclude banks from the chain altogether, like world currencies ... but you yourself understand, who will cut the branch on which he sits and others do not will allow ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 2 September 2018 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: Snail N9
      nobody will buy anything from you

      yah? Read about Alrosa
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 2 September 2018 15: 07
        -3
        Well, sell it, who's stopping ... I myself know how Russian business does business: "billion there, billion here," the losses, as usual, will be covered from the budget ... but "without a dollar" wink lol
      2. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 2 September 2018 16: 13
        +3
        And what about "Alrossa" selling all its products, practically only to "foreigners" - "gets it in rubles"? laughing lol Here are the data and the "official" and they are in "rubles?": "In Moscow, there is a subsidiary of the main production - ZAO Diamonds ALROSA, which is the company's own cutting enterprise, and also performs the functions of market monitoring and marketing. In 2012, CJSC Diamonds ALROSA produced diamonds worth $ 160,5 million. In 2012, ALROSA signed a long-term contract with the Belgian company Laurelton Diamonds Inc., which purchases diamonds for the American jewelry company Tiffany & Co. Under the terms of the concluded three-year trade agreement at the first stage of Tiffany & Co. will be able to annually purchase rough diamonds for about $ 60 million [36]. In 2014, Diamonds ALROSA products were purchased by 57 firms representing the world's major diamond trading centers. ALROSA's revenue from rough and polished diamond sales in 2014 amounted to $ 5,05 billion [29] ". wink love
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 September 2018 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          And what about "Alrossa" selling all its products, practically only to "foreigners" - "gets it in rubles"?

          Alrosa made a ruble deal with foreign buyers this year, the conclusion is "easy", look at the calendar, where you are pushing for 14 years, and this year it is a trial balloon, I mean
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 2 September 2018 17: 56
            +1
            So what is the volume of the deal? Does it sell in large quantities? Here https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/105380 write only about one buyer from India and allegedly one from China ...
            Banking support of the transaction with Chinese partners was provided by VTB through a branch in Shanghai. The Chinese company paid for special-size diamonds (weighing more than 10,8 carats), which ALROSA sold at an auction in June in Hong Kong. Calculation in rubles was provided for in the contract for one of the lots. As part of the deal, the Chinese buying company opened a special account with VTB in Shanghai.

            Long-term buyer ALROSA from India also paid for one of the planned diamond deliveries under the contract in rubles. He transferred the ruble funds from his account with another Russian bank.
            More details: https://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/105380 "...

            Again, no data on the volume of the transaction - maybe a dozen diamonds were sold and that's it ... for sample, and where is the repeat transaction? And what kind of "buyer"? Maybe they sold it to themselves ("one-day"). wink In Russia, they like to return VAT in this way (just on condition that the transaction is in the "ruble zone") It says only one lot in rubles.https: //ria.ru/economy/20180815/1526591801.html
            Try to sell for rubles to some European buyer or, for example, to Israel (and Israel is one of the main buyers of diamonds), and even through a foreign bank ... that's when it will be, and even on a massive scale, then you can will talk about the "transition" to national currencies in transactions ... and so ... to trade "for the sake of experiment", you can at least in something, even at a loss ... Yes
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 September 2018 18: 21
              -2
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              "massively"

              bother to quote
            2. Snail N9
              Snail N9 2 September 2018 18: 26
              -2
              Yes, there are Chinese, in general, only ONE (one! Karl!) Diamond bought 10,8 carats. wink And about the "Indian deal" one - "fog": https://newizv.ru/news/economy/15-08-2018/alrosa-oprobovala-raschet-s-zarubezhnymi-klientami-v-rublyah laughing
              Well, so they "try" to pay with everything they can, just recently, there was so much joyful squealing about the payment with "one country of the Asian region" for fighters with vegetables and fruits, as well as palm oil. lol Well, how did it take root? Erdogan, now, maybe, in general, he can pay off with tomatoes for the S-400, what for his intermediate waste paper in the form of a lira - all the same, these same tomatoes for "Ashan" will have to be bought, so it's better immediately wassat The main thing, after all: "to leave the dollar ..." love
              1. poquello
                poquello 2 September 2018 18: 42
                0
                Quote: Snail N9
                waste paper in the form of a lyre

                waste paper is when money is not converted, there is not much difference in lira or dollars, plus transaction fees remain in counterparty countries, not in the usa
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 2 September 2018 19: 43
                +3
                Quote: Snail N9
                The main thing, after all: "to leave the dollar ..."

                A sound thought ...
                But this had to be done immediately after the AMs refused from the "gold and currency motto", when they refused to freely exchange their "green" for Au, on demand.
                And the second. All "depositors" need to return their "physical" gold from Fort Knox to the national vaults ...
                Then it will be possible to look at the "grimaces and jumps" of the Fed and K * ... bully
    2. LMN
      LMN 2 September 2018 15: 37
      +2
      Quote: Snail N9
      The funny thing is that trading on all well-known international exchanges is only in dollars. You can sell on your exchanges, for lira and rubles, no one bothers, only now, as long as the rest of the majority offer their goods on other exchanges for dollars, no one will buy anything from you - you will have to convert dollar prices into your currencies, which, let's say so "volatile" and then, again in dollars, to keep from depreciation, the losses will be decent. Well, you can still indulge in "a la 90s" barter - "planes in exchange for palm oil" as it was already .... only now, the intermediate equivalent of the cost of barter goods, again, is calculated through the "nasty" dollar .. ... wink The only thing that will help to get away from the dollar is the "blockchain" technology, and the transition to crypto, in order to exclude banks from the chain altogether, like world currencies ... but you yourself understand, who will cut the branch on which he sits and others do not will allow ...

      as long as the rest of the majority offers their goods on other exchanges for dollars, no one will buy anything from you

      There will be Yes They will buy gas for rubles! For dollars, 50% more expensive wink
      It is easier for the “world” to break these “shackles” in the form of a dollar than to live in “shackles.” Sooner or later, others will come to this.
      Yes, it will "hurt" at some point, then relief will come Yes
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  9. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 14: 17
    0
    Quote: Snail N9
    You can sell on your exchanges, for lira and rubles, no one bothers, only now, as long as the rest of the majority offer their goods on other exchanges for dollars, no one will buy anything from you - you will have to convert dollar prices into your currencies, which, let's say so "volatile" and then, again in dollars, to keep from depreciation, the losses will be decent.

    You seem to have a very vague idea of ​​the economy.
    Trading in dollars is not because it is so profitable - but because of fear of the United States. And the transfer to national currencies will happen only when these countries feel that someone can protect them from the United States.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 September 2018 14: 56
      -2
      And you, I see, are "excellent" in economics ... hi Well, if you understand everything so much, then go and force (or ask Yes ) all other countries "switch to other currencies ...." or tell them that they need to be afraid of the United States and move away from the dollar .... maybe they will at least listen to you .... wink
    2. GibSoN
      GibSoN 2 September 2018 22: 57
      0
      You seem to have a very vague idea of ​​the economy.
      No, you are extremely far from economics at all! It makes no difference to business who has thicker calibers! Everything is simple, "purely business and nothing personal"!
  10. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 September 2018 14: 18
    +6
    Turks against the dollar? ... Is Erdogan serious? ... Then he has a complete "incirlik", and will not have time to laugh it off. smile
    ps In reality, Erdogan never crossed the "flags" anywhere in foreign policy: he beat the Kurds selectively, he is only declaratively closer to Iran, he does not touch the South Stream, so far there is only one "eastern halva".
  11. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah 2 September 2018 14: 26
    +4
    For two hundred years ... almost. People change products, their work and knowledge for some pieces of paper .... Now it's time to end it. And the dollar, the euro, the lira, so ... toilet paper .... By the way, the dollars are suitable for this, like no other. "Pan ataman has a gold reserve" that's when it's worth talking to him. Gold, and even the Jews invented banknotes to accumulate and control gold reserves.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 September 2018 15: 00
      -1
      Yes, yes ... that's right .... there is little left to do - to knock out the Jews from the world banking and financial sector, break the world financial system built by them, and then we will "live" ... we will trade there for whatever we want, with some for gold, with others - for rubles, with others - for shells, and fourths and beads with mirrors will cost ... wink
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 2 September 2018 16: 49
        +1
        Quote: Snail N9
        Yes, yes ... that's right .... there is little left to do - to knock out the Jews from the world banking and financial sector, break the world financial system built by them, and then we will "live" ... we will trade there for whatever we want, with some for gold, with others - for rubles, with others - for shells, and fourths and beads with mirrors will cost ... wink

        The professor is simple here, all developed countries have a currency basket and it does not consist only of the dollar, so the dollar has already lost, the USSR was the first to strangle the green snake, but could not keep the defense alone. The Soviet Union went according to calculations in dollars, and could trade in the national currency, but this is a long liberal story. Now the situation is different, all somehow strangely went along the path of the USSR. Even the IMF's Freemasons put the yuan in a basket, and they have a ruble, so they will buy everything to live in poverty. By the way, the Russian Federation also has large reserves of the dollar, the old one, the Russian Federation in 90 planted it very hard, just did not have time, the casket closed and the dollar remained. That is why the Americans do not like us and not all old dollars exchanged the Russian Federation for new ones, there was a muddy story, few people remember. They can’t abandon the old one, but the dollar, it’s their national currency, you have to live on the leash of the old flood or exchange for new ones, then the Russian Federation will again fall ill with communism ...... laughing
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 2 September 2018 18: 04
          +2
          AND! Here it is, Mikhalych ... Yuan ... "magic wand" of Russian geeks in the economy. wink Only one BUT: by changing the dollar for the yuan, Russia, having come out, as it believes, from under the control of the "bad" US, immediately falls under the influence of a much more terrible monster - China, which has attention! unlike the US, it has a large shared border with Russia. wink But China is not "scary", it is like a "friend" .... "Friend" .... right next door ... wink
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 00: 12
            +2
            Quote: Snail N9
            AND! Here it is, Mikhalych ... Yuan ... "magic wand" of Russian geeks in the economy. wink Only one BUT: by changing the dollar for the yuan, Russia, having come out, as it believes, from under the control of the "bad" US, immediately falls under the influence of a much more terrible monster - China, which has attention! unlike the US, it has a large shared border with Russia. wink But China is not "scary", it is like a "friend" .... "Friend" .... right next door ... wink

            Why is China not a friend? The question here is that a friend is not obliged to feed us. But let's say China holds a wide basket of national currencies and somehow does not separate the bad from the good, and not which separate. But if you trade and there is an opportunity to trade in the national currency, then why should you refuse. On this front, the whole war then unfolded, and the United States plays an important role here ....
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 2 September 2018 21: 52
          +3
          Quote: XXXIII
          Americans don’t like us and not all old dollars exchanged the Russian Federation for new ones, there was a troubled story, few people remember.

          Come on, sir! The 18 century dollar bill has the same circulation as the new, pink, 20-dollar bills!
          ("This is not here for you!" - as the unforgettable Chernomyrdin used to say ...) bully
          1. poquello
            poquello 2 September 2018 22: 27
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            "This is not here for you!"

            maybe there was a guarantee of the exchange of old dollars for gold exactly in ounces
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 3 September 2018 00: 50
              +2
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              "This is not here for you!"

              maybe there was a guarantee of the exchange of old dollars for gold exactly in ounces

              Yes, here you can have anything when most of the adherents believe the states and the great dollar, and they decide whether their currency is something or not, national interests, you can put them + for that .... Yes
              I believe in jewelry more .... laughing
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 00: 43
            +2
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: XXXIII
            Americans don’t like us and not all old dollars exchanged the Russian Federation for new ones, there was a troubled story, few people remember.

            Come on, sir! The 18 century dollar bill has the same circulation as the new, pink, 20-dollar bills!
            ("This is not here for you!" - as the unforgettable Chernomyrdin used to say ...) bully

            Yes, you don’t confuse, the principles are there, they won’t change everything, remember the cartoon about the golden antelope, classic, all your gold will turn into clay. So, in the USSR, the last rulers believed that the dollar is gold, but it turned out that it was ordinary paper, but the owner of this paper does not allow to believe in another paper, it seems not on purpose, but strange fellow .... Do you think that the euro is better than the dollar, more stable or the yuan is worse than these currencies, but for some reason many people think that the dollar is better, why is it strange ?!
            There is a big question of who deceived whom, the battle of currency cornices is just beginning, now the states will play on the value of the national currencies, in principle they always did, but it’s either a matter of playing, or a matter of accumulating it, and now there are other rules. The pull of China once again shows that the national currency itself becomes expensive and at the same time not the main settlement currency, since other countries may not have so much, but you need to trade with them. Here nat interests are higher than currency speculation. In the Russian Federation, let's just replenish the basket, if desired, our economic bloc more often tends to the dollar, the old rake is looking for why to look for when there is huge experience of the USSR in trading in all the national currencies of the world. A multipolar world is much richer than a country that drags everything it can, Russia is not so greedy and does not divide the world into before and after .... hi
        3. GibSoN
          GibSoN 2 September 2018 23: 01
          +1
          Professor, everything is simple
          If everything is so simple, why are we still so full? Can you change your job (to work for a pension, you left early)?
          What is your "ha ha"? We will start trading our goods for rubles on the principle ?! That's funny that)) And if they, on principle, begin to trade their goods exclusively NOT for rubles? I'm almost sure that you won't even have anything to write your objection with ... Although what am I talking about ... They are already doing it!
          1. poquello
            poquello 3 September 2018 00: 17
            +1
            Quote: GibSoN
            We will start trading our goods for rubles from the principle ?!

            Yes. principle of self-preservation, who are "we"? article about turks, iran and iraq exclude dollars from mutual trade
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII 3 September 2018 01: 09
            +1
            Quote: GibSoN
            If everything is so simple, why are we still so full?

            And here it’s all simple, we are told that 2 + 2 is zero, there is no secret ... sad
            Quote: GibSoN
            What is your "ha ha"? We will start trading our goods for rubles on the principle ?!

            Why is the principle, just trading with those who do not refuse, but how can you trade if inside the country we are trading in dollars, a complete failure of the eco block, a disgrace ... negative
            Quote: GibSoN
            And if, from a principle, they begin to sell their goods exclusively NOT for rubles?

            Do you think that other countries are very rich in dollars, I think not, here is our moment to go to the big national basket of currencies and ensure the stability of the goods turnover with other countries. It will be difficult, but what to do, the RF will balance if it does not want to stand in a certain position .... crying
            Quote: GibSoN
            I’m almost sure that there’s nothing to write to you with your objection ... Although what am I talking about ... They already do this!

            Yes, why not write your opinion, although you have sharp questions, you can only comment on them. Yes ..... I definitely don’t have exact answers, fateful decisions do not stand behind me, so I just watch and put together my picture of the economic mess ... hi
  12. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 14: 31
    -3
    Quote: Jeremiah
    Gold, or even the Jews came up with bank notes, to accumulate and control the gold reserves.

    Look at the root.
  13. GibSoN
    GibSoN 2 September 2018 14: 48
    0
    How everyone loves to shake the air raising populist themes .. An alternative is someone voiced? Not a dollar so what? Not Trump so who? Erdogan? Si Poo? What did Erdogan do for his country to teach the rest of the world? Or maybe the example of the Russian Federation should serve as the development of the whole world? Or maybe China, which is entirely built on hated by all dollars? This whole topic, another PR that leads to the Stone Age! Is each his own lord and master? Tired of local conflicts, missed global, country by country? With generational losses? History was not written yesterday and not 100 years ago. All this has already been completed. With the hegemony of the dollar, the world does not fight since almost a century before! This is a precedent for history. Everyone will leave the dollar themselves right away, when a distinct alternative will appear! Everything else boltology from scratch, in order to justify its complete stupidity.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 2 September 2018 15: 02
      -4
      Who are you, here you explain it .... they are out, everyone "understands the economy" .... lol
    2. dauria
      dauria 2 September 2018 15: 14
      0
      . With the hegemony of the dollar, the world does not fight since almost a century before!


      The world is not at war over the dollar? I always thought that nuclear weapons in serious quantities (250 million corpses, of which 120 million were "great" Americans) stopped the war. I wonder who after World War III would need dollars? Perhaps the Chinese numismatists and museums.
      1. GibSoN
        GibSoN 2 September 2018 15: 31
        +1
        The world is not at war over the dollar? I always thought that nuclear weapons in serious quantities (250 million corpses, of which 120 million were "great" Americans) stopped the war.
        Yes you are CEP!)
    3. poquello
      poquello 2 September 2018 15: 16
      +2
      Quote: GibSoN
      With the hegemony of the dollar, the world does not fight since almost a century before!

      the dollar’s ​​ears are already like a rabbit’s because of your attempts to pull it up to everything beautiful, the age of relative peace was given by nuclear weapons and McNamar’s doctrine
      1. GibSoN
        GibSoN 2 September 2018 15: 25
        +2
        because of your attempts to pull him to everything beautiful
        But who is against that ?! Do you really think that I will be opposed if we start to print rubles without stopping in 3 shifts, for which the whole world will trade? Go down to earth! This is ridiculous even for the entire top leadership in the Russian Federation .. Everyone is happy with the exact situation that was .. They are not satisfied with completely different points, which, in general, are more related to the retention of power than just the dollar.
        1. poquello
          poquello 2 September 2018 15: 59
          0
          Quote: GibSoN
          Do you really think that I will be against

          I don’t care what you’ll be there,
          Quote: GibSoN
          if we start typing

          our typewriter is limited by foreign trade revenue, which ensures the currency weight of the ruble, American candy wrappers are provided with consumer confidence, while it was with Mavrodiev everything was fine in MMM
          Quote: GibSoN
          Everyone is happy with exactly the alignment that was ..

          it turns out not all, and the number of those who are going to take their "mavrodievki" in the world is growing
          1. GibSoN
            GibSoN 2 September 2018 23: 05
            0
            Yes, I don’t care what you will be there
            Self-determined? Well done! It would be all the same, would not answer! Psychology, her mother ..
            1. poquello
              poquello 2 September 2018 23: 55
              0
              Quote: GibSoN
              Yes, I don’t care what you will be there
              Self-determined? Well done! It would be all the same, would not answer! Psychology, her mother ..

              you are also sad with psychology, except for a subjective opinion, you have laid a bunch of dubious arguments and conclusions
  14. Cottager452
    Cottager452 2 September 2018 15: 00
    0
    There would be no dollar, we would have everything
    equipment on the State Signature burned down, printing wood.
  15. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 15: 02
    0
    Quote: GibSoN
    With the hegemony of the dollar, the world does not fight since almost a century before! This is a precedent for history.

    What are you saying? It's just that someone's pockets are swollen with money.
    The fortune of the entire Rockefeller clan is estimated at $ 12 trillion.
    And Europe, from the locomotive of civilization, has become not understand - what.
  16. universe1
    universe1 2 September 2018 15: 24
    0
    Soon he will find an incurable disease. Cancer, for example.
  17. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 2 September 2018 15: 25
    +5
    Well, actually: "the dollar is the dollar in Africa." When they start talking like that about some other currency, then yes, it will be possible to switch to it. wink
  18. HAM
    HAM 2 September 2018 15: 30
    +2
    Soon, very soon Erdogan will become "terrorist number 1" ......
    Do not believe me !? Watch your hands, ugh for CNN, SKY NEWS ......
    1. GibSoN
      GibSoN 2 September 2018 15: 36
      -1
      Do not believe me !? Watch your hands, ugh for CNN, SKY NEWS ......
      We would be happy, only about the presence of such media, we will learn from our native media, because unlike RT, similar television channels in the Russian Federation are not broadcast in Russian ..
      Learn to think with your own head and independently analyze information, rather than retyping what you said on TV.
      1. poquello
        poquello 2 September 2018 15: 47
        +1
        Quote: GibSoN
        unlike RT, similar TV channels in the Russian Federation are not broadcast in Russian.

        the problem of broadcasting in Russian is the problem of the channels themselves, Euronews is there - but it is not popular, in Russia there are no problems of obtaining information directly, in the bourgeoisie of the Republic of Tatarstan it is popular and they are trying to crush it, as well as trying to crush opinions alternative to their journalistic clique on the Internet and Alex Jones and Asange is an example of this
  19. senima56
    senima56 2 September 2018 16: 03
    +1
    Erdogan risks .... Those who "spoke" against the dollar, as a rule, ended badly. Degol spoke out and parted with the presidency .... The head of the IMF was allegedly slipped into bed at once, allegedly, a maid .... So if Erdogan insists, one can expect a new assassination attempt and a "color revolution"!
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 2 September 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: senima56
      Erdogan is at risk.

      He risked when the Americans organized the destruction of the Russian Su-24 and immediately staged a military coup. Fortunately, Russian intelligence immediately understood "where the legs grow from." In any case, now the US policy in the region is dictated by the Israeli lobby, there will be no changes here. Therefore, either Turkey will be destroyed, or it will, together with Russia and China, resist the American aggression.
  20. Examenatornick
    Examenatornick 2 September 2018 16: 29
    +2
    The President of Russia has long been talking about this to the international community. But everyone is waiting for the knife to be stuck in the back, wasting time. Now is the time when Trump is inadequate gopnik in power with his twitter policy. Thanks to which soon all the partners' backs will be poked with knives. Even managed to launch the knife into henpecked Canada.
  21. Labor
    Labor 2 September 2018 17: 10
    0
    At the last BRICS meeting, this question was raised, there are certain difficulties, but in the near future we will gradually switch to mutual settlements in the nat. currency. The issue is resolved. This does not make sense with all countries, but it definitely has between the BRICS countries.
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  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 September 2018 18: 44
    0
    The Turks were somehow caught trading with Iran, and they bought oil for gold ....
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 September 2018 00: 02
    +1
    Oh, interesting things are being conceived.
    Erdogan was thrown heavily with F-35, threats make him abandon
    C-400 purchases, metallurgy laid.
    It goes without saying that he will not be silent in response.
    Well, now let's see what the United States will answer.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 September 2018 07: 24
      0
      One separate country will not be able to do anything .... it should be done by large buyers and sellers of raw materials (oil, gas, coal).
      1. poquello
        poquello 3 September 2018 12: 06
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        One separate country will not be able to do anything .... it should be done by large buyers and sellers of raw materials (oil, gas, coal).

        the buyer and the seller need profit and stability, and when they froze here and banned it, it’s natural that customers are looking for other options
  25. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 3 September 2018 18: 56
    +1
    Quote: XXXIII
    all your gold turn into clay.

    Vladimir! Au - will remain the "universal equivalent" due to the labor invested in its production. And the green paper that came out from under the printing press will remain paper if the agreement on its "commodity" provision is removed. Or you didn’t teach economics at all !?
    Quote: XXXIII
    the old rake is looking for, why look when there is a huge experience of the USSR in trading in all the national currencies of the world.
    Russia and the USSR - two big differences, as they said in Odessa! The USSR did not fit head over heels into the WTO and mn division of labor, like the Russian Federation. Therefore, its economy did not depend on the dollar either. I still remember the official rate of 76 kopecks per US dollar. And in the gateway they asked for 3 rubles for him, and not 70 as now! So, teach watered literacy and Smith's political economy kids. You don't need me. I was taught (at one time) by doctors of sciences, although "military-economic", as they themselves joked.
    But we need to get out of the economic ass - by all means! And here is a disgrace to economists who have forgotten about the economic independence of the state and have not even bothered to preserve group "A" - the basis of the industry of any country! Liberal marketers are a shame for our country! And they also lift a leg up on patriots, podzabornye mongrels!
    So, we need a nationally oriented economic policy, not speculations about "the market will regulate everything itself", or "we will buy everything for bucks" ... It remains to find who will sell!
    IMHO.