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Rallies against pension reform. The opposition remembered that it is the opposition?

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Today, rallies will be held across the country, which are announced by the organizers as actions against the implementation of the announced pension reform. Recall that after the “correction” of the proposals made by the president, the retirement age will be increased by 5 years for both the male and female population of the country to the 2028 year. The president stated that “time cannot be delayed,” and that “pension reform is long overdue.” The president also noted that opposition forces could take advantage of the situation amid discontent on the part of citizens.


In other words, the authorities are well aware that the pension reform can push the country to a split, that they themselves will lose an impressive percentage of the rating, but nevertheless the process has already been launched.

The opposition is really trying to take advantage of the situation. On the organization of the rally under the loud slogan "We will not allow social terror of the authorities against their own people!" announced in the Communist Party. One of the issues that the Communist Party is going to raise during the rally, is the question of a nationwide referendum on the issue of advanced pension reform.

Rallies against pension reform. The opposition remembered that it is the opposition?

Communist Party rally in Vladivostok


Their meetings will hold the party "Fair Russia". The “No to Pension Reform” campaign starts today in Moscow on Suvorov Square in 12: 00.

On the website of the Liberal Democratic Party there are no reports of readiness to organize their own rally or to connect to other speeches, however, the “thematic” statements of the deputy from the LDPR faction in the State Duma Yaroslav Nilov (chairman of the State Duma Committee on Labor) were published. The MP proposes to consider the possibility of increasing the size of pensions without raising the retirement age. According to Nilov, these ideas have already been formulated.

Experts drew attention to the fact that for the first time in a long time the Duma opposition was actually allowed to declare that it is an opposition. At the same time, a probable reason was noted: the number of deputies from the opposition is such that they ultimately do not decide anything anyway, but give the people reason to believe that there is a constructive and efficient opposition in the country.
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 2 September 2018 10: 32
    +11
    Rallies against pension reform. The opposition remembered that it is the opposition?
    After the fire and nose - pump winked
    1. Nikolai
      Nikolai 2 September 2018 10: 44
      +27
      that they end up deciding nothing anyway, but give the people reason to believe that there is a constructive and efficient opposition in the country.
      Yes, we don’t solve anything and everything seems to be ...., but take a closer look it turns out that this ballast is not needed and they can only shout that we are the best, just give us ... one task, give us, not to them ...
      Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 2 September 2018 11: 06
        +20
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich
        ... Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for the EP, but for whom? ...

        Nicholas hi
        The same story.
        We have an "election" for the governor.
        And about. - the former mayor of the city, hung out in the SovFed for a couple of years and now he is a "new" nominee.
        Well, what a nafig he is new, he "worked" up to the mayor in the cage of the previous governor.
        The administrative resource is used to its fullest: all that is good is him (even the stadium for the World Cup, to which he has nothing to do), all that is bad is not him, but he will "fix" it.
        There are no alternatives: nominees from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, LDPR, SR — real marginals and gorlopans.
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 2 September 2018 11: 22
          +16
          Andrey K (Andrey Evgenievich) soldier hi
          There are no alternatives: nominees from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, LDPR, SR — real marginals and gorlopans.
          Well, for this, the entire plan of "development" of Russia was calculated for many years.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 2 September 2018 15: 20
            +26
            The head of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia (FNPR) Mikhail Shmakov opposed raising the retirement age in pension reform:
            - We are against the draft law in the edition in which it is now formulated by the government. There is nothing but a simple sentence: let's raise the age. All the rest is some kind of stories “on the fingers” of what will happen to the economy, with the increase of pensions, with jobs. Instead of stories, there should be a package of bills to solve the problem as a whole.
            - There is no deficit of the Pension Fund (PFR) so that it does not fulfill its obligations under state pension insurance. PVF has enough funds to pay today's pensions. You can even increase payments if you return to the 6 fund% of insurance premiums that were intended for funded pensions, but already the 4th year has been frozen by the decision of the government.
            - IN MANDATORY state pension insurance there can be no funded element. This is a topic for discussion, which is also important in the context of increasing age.
            - A part of Russians transferred funded contributions to non-state pension funds (NPFs). And in some non-state pension funds this money has already disappeared. But a significant part of citizens did not dispose of the funded part. Funds went to VEB, where they may have been preserved.
            Decent pensions are at decent salaries. Because insurance premiums in the FIU depend on the amount of earnings.
            Decent salaries must be paid "in white." Why do unions and entrepreneurs put up with the fact that in the country, according to various estimates, from 10 million to 20 million people work in the shade?
            - It the obligation of the government to create conditions in which shadow employment, but essentially criminal, would not be possible.
            - In addition, decent salaries are at a high productivity.
            - If someone believes that we have low productivity, then this is speculation. Based on our salaries, which are low, then our productivity is the highest in the world: for such money, such a volume of work is not performed in developed countries. If we consider the quantity of product produced, then it is low. But we are not in the 19th century, where productivity was determined by the muscular strength of the employee. Today everything is decided by technology. Change of technology, organization of labor is the concern of entrepreneurs, managers. And their decisions in turn depend on the overall strategy for economic development.
            - It is necessary to revise the cost of livingwhich is based on the minimum consumer basket, which was introduced in 1992 for only eight months to overcome the crisis. So, you need to review the basket.
            - Raising the retirement age could trigger such an increase in unemploymentthat it will be necessary to revive the INSURANCE Employment Fund for the payment of benefits.

            Therefore, the FNPR insists on a comprehensive solution to the pension problem, which depends on many aspects. And when society discusses all these aspects in detail, then it may turn out that there is no need to increase age.
            If all governors, all mayors, deputies of all levels support the government-sponsored pension reform, well ... They all have elections, and we have elections every September.
            See in detail - http://belprofzdrav.ru/index.php/ot-pervogo-litsa/item/406-glava-fnpr-mikhail-shmakov-o-pensionnoj-reforme
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 2 September 2018 19: 52
              +7
              Quote: Tatiana
              Head of the Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia (FNPR)

              INDEPENDENT ??? laughing
            2. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 2 September 2018 20: 31
              +5
              Quote: Tatiana
              If all governors, all mayors, deputies of all levels support the government-sponsored pension reform, well ... They all have elections, and we have elections every September.

              So let them explain what kind of charms from this dubious reform, the data here are selected .. care for people with retirement and age of survival, what kind of clericalism came up with Akhovsky ..
              "Are there people who are sincerely happy about the pension reform?

              Yes they are. For example, in my tape you can meet an official who is on a long foreign business trip.

              He has a paroxysm of happiness: you can live abroad for 5 years longer, receiving an official social package and not fearing that they will be kicked out for retirement, because there are plenty of people who want this sweet spot.

              A citizen is glad sincerely and his human happiness can certainly be understood.

              But what does this have to do with the majority of Russian citizens? "
              https://cont.ws/@yushchuk/1052065
              the whole professor dashed off the article ..
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            4. reservist
              reservist 3 September 2018 11: 23
              +1
              Quote: Tatiana
              Raising the retirement age could trigger such an increase in unemployment

              why "maybe"? - don't go to the fortuneteller, it will provoke ...
              then a fall in the average salaries collected from these taxes and the purchasing power of the population (count the demand for goods and services) ...
        2. Slinqshot
          Slinqshot 2 September 2018 11: 33
          0
          Are you talking about Azarov?
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 2 September 2018 11: 48
            +11
            Quote: Slinqshot
            ... Are you talking about Azarov? ...

            About him darling laughing
            1. Fox
              Fox 2 September 2018 11: 55
              0
              Quote: Andrey K
              ... Are you talking about Azarov? ...
              About him darling

              and Leskin, no? ... like the doctor was not bad.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 2 September 2018 12: 06
                +16
                Quote: Fox
                ... and Leskin, isn’t it? ... like the doctor was not bad ...

                The fact of the matter is that it’s kind of a doctor and kind of not bad.
                People do not know him at all, a one-day nominee.
                You will agree with me that the head of the region should be a business executive-technician, and not a political demagogue.
                We have a seam with this, either a pro-ERA candidate or a party candidate.
                Neither one nor the other was heavier than the ballot paper in their hands; they never hit one finger on another.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 2 September 2018 12: 24
                  +18
                  Once again I notice that as soon as I remember the Communist Party - in response to silence, only the rustle of minus laughing
                  Ugh disgusted negative
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                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 12: 49
                      +8
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... It is disgusting to read directly custom provocative writings ...

                      Has conscience woken up? laughing
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 13: 11
                        +15
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Has conscience woken up?

                        And you had it? Judging by your writings, everyone around you is to blame, except for yourself and your kind.
                        But you have a taboo on criticizing anyone like that- "So, according to FBK, the family of the head of the Russian Pension Fund, Anton Drozdov, has assets - elite real estate, luxury cars, etc., worth almost one billion rubles. ... OR such ... as Minister Maxim Topilin, who promotes raising the retirement age. His wife, who has 17 million rubles in annual income against 6 million rubles from the minister, has an apartment registered in Bulgaria. By the way, a NATO country. Maybe that's why, pushing the pension reform, the minister constantly refers to Western experience? "
                        http://svpressa.ru/society/article/209572/?utm_source=politobzor.net
                    2. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 13: 34
                      +9
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... judging by your writings, everyone around you is to blame, except for yourself and your kind ...

                      About how!
                      Have you been appointed VO editor?
                      You decided that I and "like me" scribble, and you have a highly artistic work lol
                      Come on!
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... But you have a taboo on criticizing all sorts ...

                      Let’s determine for myself, without your cries, that I am taboo and that is not taboo yes
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... the family of the head of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, Anton Drozdov, has assets - luxury real estate, luxury cars, etc., worth almost one billion rubles ...

                      You already decide what is possible and what is not.
                      Offhand - at Grudinin in Switzerland, some kind of devilish pieces of paper and pieces of iron were lying in banks wassat
                      Borodino:
                      ... the earth was shaking - like our breasts,
                      Mixed in a bunch of horses, people,
                      And the volleys of a thousand guns
                      Merged in a long howl ...
                      M.Yu. Lermontov
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 14: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Offhand - at Grudinin in Switzerland, some kind of devilish pieces of paper and pieces of iron were lying in banks

                        Offhand yerovskie chatter. Not tired of nonsense flogging?
                      2. Monos
                        Monos 2 September 2018 15: 00
                        +12
                        Quote: The Swordsman
                        Offhand yerovskie chatter. Not tired of nonsense flogging?

                        And your nonsense is better? Do they smell better? laughing
                    3. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 15: 11
                      +10
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... if you imagine something in relation to the Communist Party, your problems, but to object to what you said at the rally, there is simply nothing ...

                      What are you and your Communist Party rushing like a written bag? lol
                      You have already been told - to the robbers of my former homeland of the USSR and their followers, I have a persistent disgust negative
                      Leave your campaign agitations to your own liking - the real communists ended when the shifters from the communist ranks continued to deribe the country under the EBN and still cannot calm down yes
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 15: 59
                        +5
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Changeling

                        What relation do the betrayers have to the Communist Party since they betrayed it? You have a mess of logic. So this sore is not about my part, it is something from the field of medicine.
                        Second, all those who betrayed in heaps rushed to the EP (its forerunner) LDPR, SR and other heaps — you can’t hear your earnest cry with the stigmatization of traitors, why would such selectivity .... Like not a cover under the brand name ora towards the Communist Party, withdrawal dissatisfaction with the EP as the author of a bunch of anti-people reforms in essence, against those who oppose this party, the nouveau riche servant, as best they can.
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Leave your propaganda about rallies like yourself - the real communists are over

                        You are clearly not from the Communists, and you weren’t him, and if you wore a party card, then you are no different from the same Sobchak and his ilk, who burned and threw out party cards.
                        So shout even louder, at the expense of the real ones and indicate in which such underground you have dug in, that you will not find you with fire during the day, but the scream in the Internet, with curses and other slops, is the passion of the Lord, in reality ... zero, there is nobody, no You’ll find it. You won’t see .. Apparently on the Internet it’s not scary, virtual personalities ....
                    4. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 17: 33
                      +6
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... What relation do the betrayers have to the Communist Party since they betrayed it? You have a mess of logic. So this sore is not about my part, it is something from the field of medicine ...

                      With the logic of the problem you have, you have reported laughing
                      A traitor, he is a traitor everywhere, sores of the Communist Party on my side - this is your front garden, and sort it out in your dung.
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... Second, all those who betrayed in heaps rushed to the EP (its forerunner) LDPR, SR and other heaps, something you can’t hear your earnest cry branded with traitors, why such selectivity ....

                      You are forgotten in the heat of horse racing, I have absolutely nothing to do with the Communist Party, the United Russia, or their various reincarnations.
                      Stop flooding, I'm not interested in your mouse political crackling.
                      We talked with people about the need for techies in power, and not about the set of parasites imposed by you negative
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... As if it was not a cover under the ora brand in the direction of the Communist Party, withdrawal of dissatisfaction with the EP as the author of a bunch of essentially anti-people reforms, against those who oppose how this nouveau riche servant party can.

                      You again start to flood, except for you, no one here is dealing with "scream" lol
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... You are clearly not from the Communists, and you weren’t him, and if you wore a party card, then you are no different from the same Sobchak and his ilk, who burned, threw out party cards ...

                      How do you feel?
                      You are not at a rally, control speech.
                      Calm down yes
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      ... So shout even louder, at the expense of the real ones and indicate in which such underground you have dug in, that you will not find you with fire during the day, but the scream in the Internet, with curses and other slops, is the passion of the Lord, in reality ... zero, nobody no, you won’t find it. you will not see .. Apparently on the Internet it’s not scary, personalities are virtual ...

                      Based on your cries, you are a specialist in underground, fire, curses and slops laughing
                      Chur me. I’m just not interested in you.
                      Go, don’t just go - go to the rally laughing
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 19: 41
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        People talked about the need for techies in power,

                        Well, well .. were you techies, all sorts of chernomyrdiny, Ukraine lost. Name more of these? sweeping a blizzard .... on what basis are you trying to build a country, "techie"?
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I’m just not interested in you.

                        When there’s nothing to say, people like you can’t do anything besides jumping into the bushes. So, in your front garden, apart from the thistle and the quinoa, nothing will grow.
                  2. Dashout
                    Dashout 2 September 2018 13: 01
                    +7
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    , only the rustle of minus
                    Ugh disgusted
                    Reply

                    Andryukha, break through!
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                  3. kakvastam
                    kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 04
                    +12
                    You, in fact, are campaigning for the "current leadership" - yes, not head-on, in the spirit of "if not Putin, then a cat," but nevertheless. So what do you want?
                    And the Communist Party of the Russian Federation need not be remembered, like everyone else, there are enough lamentations like this: "oh, nothing depends on us anyway" ...
                    1. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 13: 23
                      -6
                      Quote: kakvastam
                      And the Communist Party can not be remembered,

                      Well, yes .. of course .. of course, especially when you are driven one picture on a TV zombator, but in reality it’s completely different.
                      On the issue of rallies and who is the organizer.
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8jew6FyGk8
                    2. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 13: 38
                      +5
                      Quote: kakvastam
                      ... You, in fact, are campaigning for the "current leadership" ...

                      In fact - I don’t do any agitation at all.
                      You imagined something yes
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 14: 33
                        -6
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        imagined

                        if you seem to have something in relation to the Communist Party, your problems, but to object to what you said at the rally, there is simply nothing.
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ka4c8CA64
                  4. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 2 September 2018 17: 02
                    +6
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Once again I notice that as soon as I remember the Communist Party - in response to silence, only the rustle of minus laughing
                    Ugh disgusted negative

                    I am sure that no matter how puffed up you are, you won’t find any intelligible answer to the question - what’s wrong with the Communist Party?
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 2 September 2018 17: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      ... I’m sure that no matter how you puffed up, the intelligible answer to the question - what’s wrong with the Communist Party, you won’t find ...

                      You are puffing up, and I'm talking.
                      I make a remark to you.
                      The Communist Party has not done anything good either request
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 19: 43
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I make a remark to you.

                        Well, after you are full of energy, in addition to unintelligible sounds, you did not give out anything somgli.
                        So where are the claims to the Communist Party? Howls of guards and Co., do not offer. Empty everything.
                      2. XXXIII
                        XXXIII 3 September 2018 01: 56
                        +4
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        The Communist Party has not done anything good either

                        What are you, the Communist Party of Russia opened its eyes to the fact that the whole world lives in capitalism and they first understood and headed it, can not a communist be a millionaire, what kind of democratic stereotypes ..... laughing
                    2. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 20: 44
                      -1
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      I am sure that no matter how puffed up you are, you won’t find any intelligible answer to the question - what’s wrong with the Communist Party?

                      For that, he is on guard for this - "" Echo of Moscow ", this Gazprom-based, but essentially government-owned radio station is conducting a monstrously subversive work. And the leaders of the liberal intelligentsia become advisors to the most prominent representatives of the state. The Cold War, like any other war, is not ends with a good peace, but the defeat of one of the parties. Could the ignorant and unenlightened Yeltsin, suffering from a mental illness, have imagined all this? fully implemented the plans of Adolf Hitler to destroy the Soviet Union. "The Barbarossa Plan" - according to his drawings, Yeltsin acted, destroying the communist ideology, dissecting a great territory, destroying the defense industry and the army, wiping out the great Russian Soviet culture from the face of the earth. "http: // zavtra .ru / blogs / plan_el_tcin-barbarossa
                      If only to not change anything or to carry out cosmetics of the existing situation and as if not by the night of the inquired. Continue to sit on the neck of the country.
                      Need to remember who gave permission for the Yeltsin-carcinogen centers in the country ??
                  5. someoneV
                    someoneV 3 September 2018 08: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Once again I notice that as soon as I remember the Communist Party - in response to silence, only the rustle of minus laughing
                    Ugh disgusted negative


                    Everyone who writes here rightly agreed in their hearts that they agree with the reform and with everything else that this government has prepared for them with Putin adored for them, a people who could not defend socialism are not worthy of a normal attitude from the current government. Those who rule Russia, upstarts and grabbers from the same people that they rob, these are not boyars, not princes, they are rootless so that the people deserve their power, as they were silent in the 90s, they are silent even now, even the Soviet authorities are not signs of a slave could break.
            2. Slinqshot
              Slinqshot 2 September 2018 14: 28
              +2
              A rare clown. When Azarov came to power - the first thing was to initiate investigations on Merkushkin and raise the question of compensation to the regional budget at the expense of Mordovia. And then at our expense they and Saransk turned from a smelly hole into a more or less decent place and at the same time built a stadium.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 2 September 2018 15: 15
                +6
                Quote: Slinqshot
                ... a rare clown ...

                I agree.
                The rarest and insolent.
        3. mavrus
          mavrus 2 September 2018 11: 54
          +6
          And the nominees from the EP are "white and fluffy"?
          The same story,
          We have a governor's election ... And immediately on all the sites there are a lot of "volunteers from the United Russia" ...
        4. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 2 September 2018 12: 19
          -2
          Quote: Andrey K
          There are no alternatives: nominees from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, LDPR, SR — real marginals and gorlopans.

          yes yes .. "real guys" are talkers from Navalny.khodorkovsky and other different Drandins-non-racial ...
          What do you have against the Communist Party? Nothing but anger.
          About the EP, the Liberal Democratic Party and the Soviet Union. For the sake of a red word .. well, there are very gifted gentlemen, defectors from everywhere ...
          Who is there in the real opposition there? And how many "bayonets" are behind him, what is the ideology of "real boys in politics"?
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                2. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 2 September 2018 13: 27
                  -9
                  Quote: Andrey K
                  This is already overdone - you are a hamlo, not an opponent

                  Are you talking about yourself?
                  are you here trying to derogatoryly address me? And having received an answer. did they rush to take offense? Hmm .. a rare individual has now gone. sharply intelligent, confident that his talk is coloring him.
                  Get it.
                  On Sunday, September 2, a new all-Russian protest rally against raising the retirement age and other anti-people government initiatives will be held.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0cdZmavvxQ
                  You cannot do it; you can only talk and blame others.
                  1. Dashout
                    Dashout 2 September 2018 14: 04
                    +11
                    Quote: The Swordsman
                    On Sunday, September 2, a new all-Russian protest rally against raising the retirement age and other anti-people government initiatives will be held.

                    You are somehow overly sensitive to any comments, if they do not directly support the Communist Party. In vain ..
                    The bulk of members of the forum against pension reform - that's for sure! Who supports her here - no one! ten years already sucked money from the pension fund in every way ... finally brought. I have already expressed my proposal: a) the government is resigning for the low rate of development of the domestic economy; b) recover the wasted money of the stolen pension fund; c) at the time of its establishment, to introduce fund financing directly from the budget when instructing the government to sharply increase the rate of economic growth; d) do not touch the retirement age (do not change)!
                    Are you not against such a statement? Well duck what's the matter? And Andrei K is also in favor!
                    Voting is another matter! The EP, of course, "flew in" here - it is excluded .., but the Communist Party of the Russian Federation does not inspire confidence after Grudinin ... do not be offended
                    Although I will probably vote for the Communist Party and this is only in contrast to the EP. At least let them (EP) feel ...
                    1. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 14: 18
                      -4
                      Quote: Dashout
                      The Communist Party then after Grudinin does not cause confidence.

                      And this is an Erovsky stuffing, have you taken seriously into service?
                      Or, in the wake of the dogmatists, the leftists are firmly convinced that everything should be just like in the Union? Again a rake on the forehead? Who or what convinces you that the Idea as such should be exclusively Dogma and what worked in the 20th century should be exactly the same work at 21? MDA ... and yet I. Stalin warned us that death would not happen to us with the development of ideas. Dogmatists erased this statement. Yerovtsy slandered you too ... well then go ahead with Lech bulk. Here is the leader, a copy of Yeltsin the consequences are even worse.
                    2. freddyk
                      freddyk 2 September 2018 15: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Dashout
                      The Communist Party then after Grudinin does not cause confidence.


                      And where did the information about Grudinin come from? From Gazprommedia? Keep on hawking. And what are you, in fact, not happy with? The talking heads of Gazprommedia are telling us that everything is fine with us, we are going uphill.

                      But the Communist Party, yes, does not inspire confidence, while Zyuganov rules it.
                      1. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 19: 47
                        -2
                        Quote: Monos
                        Casseroleheads are the same everywhere. What in Hohland, what we have.

                        Among fans of bulk and K yes. Among the whole audience of fans of all kinds of Nekrasov, Drandyinsky, Sytiny, Brewers other things. Yes rampart. Among the same Tsarevozhnikov not a few empty-headed.
                        Quote: Monos
                        Reprimand you on a party card.

                        Alas, you didn’t guess a single letter .. I never consisted in any party. So most likely you .. reprimand for fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
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        5. kakvastam
          kakvastam 2 September 2018 12: 37
          +13
          It is better to vote for the "marginalized" - the probability of their victory is zero, but the government will receive feedback.
          Non-participation in elections, as well as support for pro-government candidates, will give the so-called. to "management" reasonable assurance that him everything is fine, and you can strangle people further.
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          1. hydrox
            hydrox 3 September 2018 04: 09
            0
            Do not lie, otherwise the title of "liar from EdRa" will be assigned to you, but do you need it? ... ;-))
        7. Skif83
          Skif83 2 September 2018 16: 30
          +1
          And you do not choose balabol and grabbers, no matter what the party. After all, everyone who is now in government or those or others! Yes, and the Duma is not much better. There is only one criterion - a person of business (not criminal, not corruption), capable of doing the CASE (not business, but BUSINESS) with his own head and his own hands! And no matter who he will be, even on his own, well, look around that around you there is no one worthy at all, whom do you believe? Then the pipe of Russia ...
          1. AUL
            AUL 2 September 2018 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: Skif83
            There is only one criterion - a person of business (not criminal, not corruption), capable of doing the CASE (not business, but BUSINESS) with his own head and his own hands!

            You will not find those in the voting lists!
        8. albert
          albert 2 September 2018 20: 47
          +6
          Quote: Andrey K
          There are no alternatives: nominees from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, LDPR, SR — real marginals and gorlopans.

          The Bucket Party is the "only" real force, the Party of crooks and thieves. fool
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 2 September 2018 11: 11
        +19
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
        for whom to vote, all discredited themselves

        Usually, those who are for the United Russia Party and against the Communists say this, justifying their loyalty to the current government by saying that "everyone has discredited" themselves, and the LEFT forces are not people for whom you can vote.
        In fact, our choice is simple, or you vote for the current government or the Communist Party, because only the Communist Party, at the moment, can create at least some sort of competition for the EP.
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 2 September 2018 11: 26
          +6
          "We will not allow social terror of the authorities against their own people!"

          Socialist principles are impossible in an oligarchic economy.
          In what country of the world is the capitalist willingly sharing his profit with the worker ???

          For the current government or for the Communist Party, because as soon as the Communist Party, at the moment ...

          “Universal experience says that kingdoms perish
          not because life is hard or the ordeals are terrible.
          And they die because of this (and the more painful the longer),
          that people of their kingdom no longer respect ”
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 2 September 2018 11: 38
            +3
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            Socialist principles are impossible in an oligarchic economy.

            So why are you protecting her Alain:
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            people of their kingdom no longer respect

            Why cling to what is fundamentally anti-people, and to the oligarchs?
          2. kakvastam
            kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 14
            -1
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            that people of their kingdom no longer respect

            Still, Bulat Shalvovich was a Stalinist!
            Even if he himself had no idea.
        2. Andrey K
          Andrey K 2 September 2018 11: 35
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          ... Usually, those who are for the United Russia Party and against the Communists say this, justifying their loyalty to the current government by saying that "everyone has discredited" themselves ...

          So a colleague kind of clearly and unequivocally wrote:
          Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich
          ... one thing I know is not for EP for sure ...

          Why "conjecture" for him what he did not say. You missed everything right on the spot.
          Quote: Stas157
          ... In fact, our choice is simple, or you vote for the current government or the Communist Party, because only the Communist Party, at the moment, can create at least some kind of competition for the EP ...

          You offer a good choice - either the Communist Party, or the Communist Party.
          Interestingly, and the third decade, the citizens of our country did not vote for the Communist Party, including?
          Tyagomotin based on the nostalgia of citizens for the former greatness of the USSR, seasoned with slogans to take away and share already fed up, can not you?
          The slogans are communist, and the technology is capitalist.
          The same parasites and throats.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 2 September 2018 12: 37
            +6
            Quote: Andrey K
            So a colleague kind of clearly and unequivocally wrote

            Quote: Andrey K
            Why "conjecture" for him what he did not say. You missed everything right on the spot.

            I didn’t think for him, but I offered my opinion. Once again, the logic is completely simple - if you really against EP, then you should be for the Communist Party, since there is NO other real opposition force. It does not exist (if there is someone, then there are too few of them!). Do you understand the logic?
            Quote: Andrey K
            You offer a good choice - either the Communist Party, or the Communist Party.

            No. In fact, it turns out: either the United Russia Party, or the Communist Party. That's all! There is no party "I am for no one", and any other party is the same as "I am for no one." Those who are not for anyone, one way or another, by their inaction, support the status quo, that is, the existing power.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 2 September 2018 13: 02
              +8
              Quote: Stas157
              ... There is no party "I am for no one" ...

              I agree with this.
          2. kakvastam
            kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 23
            +7
            The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is by no means a real alternative to the current "leadership", but a very useful indicator of public sentiment. It was the feeling of a decrease in support for communist and socialist ideas in society, achieved as a result of the fragmentation of its electoral base with the help of fraudulent political technologies, that led to the emergence of all kinds of cannibalistic initiatives of the government and the president.
            So the increase in the number of votes cast for the Communist Party in any case will be useful, at least as a feedback.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 2 September 2018 13: 30
              +4
              Quote: kakvastam
              The Communist Party is by no means a real alternative

              And what is the real alternative? Name who to vote for, whose party could exceed the number of votes for United Russia? With all the criticism of the Communist Party, it is closest to this, it has its own ideology (which even EP does not have), and it is not a clone or a pocket party of the government.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 2 September 2018 14: 59
                +3
                And the main ideologist is the Coward. In 1996, he was cowardly, the bulk of the people believed him, and he betrayed them with his cowardice.
                1. Sweetheart
                  Sweetheart 2 September 2018 16: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Coward.

                  Lies.
                  Spotted Yerovsky lies ...
                  Something you didn’t pass either Zhirinovsky who promised his votes in the second round to Zyuganov but betrayed and gave them to Yeltsin, nor the damned neo-Napoleon-swan who did exactly the same in exchange for the duty of the Secretary of the Security Council ...
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 2 September 2018 18: 22
                    +3
                    Do you have arguments besides hysterical cries? Lies? And the fact that the Communist Party on the distribution of deputy seats made money? Also a lie? By the way, all parties in the State Duma did so. Then the question is for you, the answer is hysterical “lies” are not accepted - how did Voronenkov become a deputy from the Communist Party? For what merits to the party and the people? How many deputies from the Communist Party, well, take about 150 people. Zyuganov and his comrades could not keep track of 150 people ??? So why the hell are they seeking to rule the country. And Voronenkov is not the only one, a swindler for kickbacks bought a deputy from the Communist Party!
                    1. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 20: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      And the fact that the Communist Party on the distribution of deputy seats made money?

                      Do you have a court decision. With evidence of this? You have nothing but gossip. Source-Karaulov.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      Then the question is for you, the answer is hysterical “lies” are not accepted - how did Voronenkov become a deputy from the Communist Party? For what merits to the party and the people?

                      But how did Putin become a member of the party, for example, and was he kind of like in the KGB? And what after 91?
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      So why the hell are they seeking to rule the country.

                      how many swindlers in EP, LDPR and SR? Hundreds of scandal over the scandal, and you have one Voronenkov. Yes, a major personnel error, but this is an isolated case and you have a general guard of EP and their other assistants-constantly.
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 2 September 2018 20: 17
                        +1
                        It’s so customary among the enemies of the Communists-ALWAYS it is cowardly to blame others for what they have done.
                        Here they, together with the invaders of Russia, launched the Civil War in Soviet Russia in order to overthrow the power of the Bolsheviks, and the Bolsheviks were cowardly blamed for the war.
                        So they captured Russia in 1991, and seized it with a death grip, and blamed for the fact that they would not have given it back to the Communists in 1996, blamed on the Communists.
                      2. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 05
                        +2
                        In addition to hysterical snot and tears - I quote the fact, the swindler Voronenkov was a deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party. Where did Zyuganov look? Stop hysteria and cry, answer.
                      3. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 15
                        -1
                        For Voronenkov a specific question. How did a swindler become a deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party? If you don’t know, you don’t need to spread your excrement. Ask Zyuganov.
                      4. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 20
                        -1
                        The eccentric man. This is not a “personnel error”, this is an ordinary business, Voronenkov paid - received a mandate. At that, under the hysterical sobbing of people like you, they ruined the USSR.
                  2. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 2 September 2018 18: 26
                    +3
                    And where does Zhirinovsky? Ordinary PR man. The question is not on him and not on the Swan. Washi have such arguments besides tantrums? The Communists shout that in the 96th they cheated? Now you are lying. And clumsy and hysterical, and trying to whitewash the usual Coward Zyuganov.
                    1. Sweetheart
                      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 20: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      And where does Zhirinovsky?

                      Oh, how ... it must be ... you tell Volfych that he is a simple balabol, listen to yourself all from the thirtieth knee ..
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      The question is not on him and not on the Swan.

                      It’s not about him. It's all about these two opportunists. One then sharply enriched Zhirik for voting against impeachment, well, the second after 996 got into the neo-Napoleons. The truth and people. 1200 Wahhabis didn’t win in the Chechen Republic. in n.p. Dai they find remains on the rocks and the signatures of those cohones betrayed in Khasavyurt, and then .. after the presidential company ..
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      The Communists shout that in the 96th they cheated?

                      The Communists soberly evaluate those events, in contrast to your black lies and myths. Your idol was ready to ask foreigners for military assistance if you did something. And you would repeat all the gossip.
                      Quote: Okolotochny
                      And clumsy and hysterical and trying to whitewash the ordinary Coward

                      Are you talking about yourself now? Nick will not say anything to the court ... and this is an impudent and cruel, in essence, insult to a person who can read your nonsense and can answer accordingly. Does EP have everything like you. Propagandists? Don’t be denied .. in fact, this is exactly so. you work for them without even realizing it.
                      1. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 12
                        -1
                        You are an ordinary cheap troll. To all questions the answer is hysteria, no specifics. Do you want more? Grudinin is an ordinary Mini oligarch who made money on the deriban of a managed collective farm. Do you need facts? So Thomas the unbeliever, see the income of Grudinin from the Official election posters. The state is in general about 500 million. Rubles. "An ordinary honest communist." Sick of those who with foam at the mouth and bare ass (Swordsman) extol them. And here the word "Lies" you will not get off, the information is official. Swordsman, how much did Grudinin pay you for licking him .....
                      2. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 13
                        0
                        You need a psychiatrist.
                      3. Sweetheart
                        Sweetheart 2 September 2018 23: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        , official information.

                        Official? You lie then when you stop? You do not have any "official information" there is a rehash of fables of varying degrees of rottenness.
                        so, you should go somewhere where the profile is appropriate. at the expense of passion for lies.
                        A little lower, you yourself advise where to go, do not delay, the sooner the better.
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              2. RUSS
                RUSS 2 September 2018 16: 00
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                Name who to vote for, whose party could exceed the number of votes for United Russia?

                The fact is that many parties are not allowed to vote.
          3. Mr Credo
            Mr Credo 2 September 2018 15: 06
            -5
            Wonderful thoughts! Take away and divide! This was already done in the 90s. Today, nothing needs to be taken away from anyone. Our wise oligarchs go bankrupt themselves, and then ask the state for help. Therefore, if anything, there will be no confiscations. Everything will go away by itself due to bankruptcy. And what will work will work. The West, we all love, has a progressive tax scale. And after all, no one yells that they are being taken away and divided. And all this is happening there in the absence of the Communist Party. Yes, and our Communist Party was born as a "social democratic". It was later renamed to communist.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 2 September 2018 11: 59
        +20
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
        Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?

        The main thing is not to forget one indisputable truth-communism with free housing, benefits, heating and electricity was built by those who did not have anything. And the Union was destroyed by those who already had it all.
      4. Mussasi
        Mussasi 2 September 2018 12: 25
        +8
        Yes, you do not pose the question. For whom it is not necessary to vote, and this is for the current leaders from the EP and for self-nominated people because they will be EDrosa the next day. And this is a crucial moment.
      5. vladcub
        vladcub 2 September 2018 12: 52
        0
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich
        that they end up deciding nothing anyway, but give the people reason to believe that there is a constructive and efficient opposition in the country.
        Yes, we don’t solve anything and everything seems to be ...., but take a closer look it turns out that this ballast is not needed and they can only shout that we are the best, just give us ... one task, give us, not to them ...
        Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?

        In the last election, he voted for Baburin. I thought and still think that he could compete with V.V., but the Communists nominated Grudinnin.
        Personally, Grudin may be a decent person, but he is an entrepreneur, and I DO NOT BELIEVE them. I understand it intellectually, but I can’t help myself: I doubt the decency of the young candidates: they don’t know THAT LIFE. I doubt entrepreneurs: how did Marx say about the capitalists that they would do anything for the sake of profit, and that the entrepreneur and the capitalist make a big difference?
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 2 September 2018 14: 21
          +1
          Quote: vladcub
          for Baburin. I thought and I think

          The clap was played in favor of ER .. well, what’s happening with you when you followed exactly the expectations of the gentlemen from the EP who put up the baburin? After all, baburin 80% of what the talker just simply torn from Grudinin’s election program.
          Quote: vladcub
          entrepreneur and capitalist big difference?

          Is Baburin holy?
          a country in 90 was ruined, a party-house selling ideals to which they swore an oath, an intelligent publicist, nationalist and liberal wing and crime with traders. That's all your baburin ...
        2. albert
          albert 2 September 2018 20: 52
          +3
          Quote: vladcub
          Personally, Grudin may be a decent person, but he is an entrepreneur, and I DO NOT TRUST them

          Why so? Not all of them are scammers, there are honest people. Lenin was from a family of noble origin, but it was he who built the first socialist state.
      6. basal
        basal 2 September 2018 14: 41
        -3
        And for no one. I didn’t give a damn about anyone in the next election. They have their own country, and I have my own.
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      7. major147
        major147 2 September 2018 18: 35
        0
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich
        that they end up deciding nothing anyway, but give the people reason to believe that there is a constructive and efficient opposition in the country.
        Yes, we don’t solve anything and everything seems to be ...., but take a closer look it turns out that this ballast is not needed and they can only shout that we are the best, just give us ... one task, give us, not to them ...
        Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?

        "The masks have been dropped, there is no one to believe"?
      8. kasatky
        kasatky 2 September 2018 19: 02
        +6
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
        not exactly for EP, but for whom

        For whom - this is the second question.
        Today I was at a rally against PR in Kaluga. The meeting was organized by the Communist Party. Gathered on the strength of 500 people. By and large, it does not matter who organized it. It is important to show that we are against and are ready to lift our ass from the couch. So, with such an activity of the people and a desire to protect their rights, nothing prevents setting a retirement age of at least 80 years.
        Let's be more active!
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      10. StVahmistr
        StVahmistr 2 September 2018 23: 33
        +3
        Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?
        I support, but according to online surveys in the 1st place of the Communist Party. I will be for the Communist Party, if only to throw edrosov out of the Duma .... negative
      11. hydrox
        hydrox 3 September 2018 03: 47
        -1
        And here, do not vote FOR ANY OF THOSE who hang out in the State Duma, and who receive their salaries from the hands of today's authorities,
        Do not vote for any of those who can yell only in the Duma halls and corridors (and generally in warm places).
        Do not vote for any of those who make up factions in the Duma of your city (region, territory, republic ...) - these people will definitely NOT defend your interests.
        Do not vote for the young, confident, sleek, well-dressed and coming to meet you in expensive cars for 700 thousand and above - this is not their labor money, which they shine in front of you today.
        Do not vote for liberal-consumables, democrats, socialists and other Yabloko - they are grant-eating flukes and they don’t care who has sucked out money for their livelihoods — they have existed for more than a quarter of a century, but have brought nothing to the population but the crack of words and the noise of promises , did not show a single person across the country, who at least would do something for the population.

        Vote for those who are NOT FOR THE MATERIAL BENEFIT for the state, but for the material well-being of the population, not in favor of thieves-officials and diplomats, but in favor of the robbed population :: children with moronic education, hard workers without jobs, pence, which their miserable pensions are not enough for medicines and utilities ...
        Vote for those who are not at power feeding, do not grovel in front of the oligarchs and administrations, whom the government spread rot and wipes, vote for honest people: for Alferov, for Glazyev, for Katasonov, for Delyagin, for Boddyrev, for Starikov ...
        Vote for the Great Fatherland Party.
      12. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 3 September 2018 12: 32
        0
        And not for the Liberal Democratic Party! Why? And remember how Zhirik spoke about the appointment of the Bear ....
    2. SlavaS
      SlavaS 2 September 2018 10: 53
      +8
      For me, this is a rally, it’s an empty chatter, an effective measure is a strike
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 05
        -7
        You still remember the right to revolt! A strike nationwide?) Does it begin every year on the night of December 31)
        1. SlavaS
          SlavaS 2 September 2018 12: 12
          0
          This scheduled, yes for whom it starts, only for bankers
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 2 September 2018 11: 07
        +13
        Quote: SlavaS
        For me, this is a rally, it’s an empty chatter, an effective measure is a strike

        I completely agree with you .. but we need an organizer, we don’t have any unions .. but an organizer will appear, they will quickly bail him off. But rallies are nonsense, action is needed, the whole country will not go to work for a week, the authorities will immediately scratch their turnips ..
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 September 2018 11: 23
          +7
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: SlavaS
          For me, this is a rally, it’s an empty chatter, an effective measure is a strike

          I completely agree with you .. but we need an organizer, we don’t have any unions .. but an organizer will appear, they will quickly bail him off. But rallies are nonsense, action is needed, the whole country will not go to work for a week, the authorities will immediately scratch their turnips ..

          Continuing this idea ... This idea needs to be developed .. a mass strike .. In my opinion, it is only possible to somehow influence the aliens who are in power .. As soon as they begin to lose income, thoughts will immediately appear in their heads .. in the meantime, slaves plow for a penny and are not indignant, right .. you can also deprive pensions .. like in a joke .. and ZP they don’t pay, but they still go to work ..
        2. Masya masya
          Masya masya 2 September 2018 11: 25
          +5
          the armored car is free ... who is the armored car? recourse
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 2 September 2018 11: 31
            +4
            Quote: Masya Masya
            the armored car is free ... who is the armored car? recourse

            Yes, you can’t find anyone on the armored car now ... they have exhausted the passionaries ...
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 34
            -13
            On the armored car - Ksenya Horse and Breakup, everything is "armored".
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 2 September 2018 11: 43
              +9
              Quote: Vadim237
              On the armored car - Ksenya Horse and Breakup, everything is "armored".

              a horse - you shouldn’t even mention it .. they found a damn politician ... Navalny is a good and only guy who at least tries to do something, only the State Department is behind him, and this will not benefit the Russian people, and he has the same ideology that of those who are now in power. According to this, he, too, is not for an armored car)) Shevchenko could try to get into an armored car ..
              1. Rimlianin
                Rimlianin 2 September 2018 13: 36
                -1
                Not tired of the mantra about the State Department? Do you have any evidence? Or just a chatter?
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 2 September 2018 14: 44
                  +6
                  Quote: Rimlianin
                  Not tired of the mantra about the State Department? Do you have any evidence? Or just a chatter?

                  It’s possible I can’t pretend to say a mantra, but he graduated from a US university, where Saakashvili studied well and the other, he walks about everything on the internet .. maybe they lie, I don’t exclude it, because our PR people in the Kremlin succeeded well in the information war .. I’m not particularly interested in Navalny as a person, since we have different ideological views .. but I follow his revelations .. Here he is good fellows without any doubt.
          3. kakvastam
            kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 29
            +4
            You shouldn’t laugh.
            People living on the brink of poverty are the most humble, another thing is those who are beyond the border, who already have nothing to lose.
            The supreme leadership quite reasonably seeks to bring the entire population of the country to the first state, but forgets that zealous performers will inevitably bring down everyone to the second.
            But then armored cars for all comers may not be enough ...
            1. Dull
              Dull 3 September 2018 01: 24
              -1
              Quote: kakvastam
              You shouldn’t laugh.
              People living on the brink of poverty are the most humble, another thing is those who are beyond the border, who already have nothing to lose.
              The supreme leadership quite reasonably seeks to bring the entire population of the country to the first state, but forgets that zealous performers will inevitably bring down everyone to the second.
              But then armored cars for all comers may not be enough ...

              Who cares about the "rabble" if before the eyes of hundreds of billions of "bucks" that have not been mastered by the St. Petersburg lads? "Nedopens" will be ready for any job and on any conditions, so as not to die of hunger. Huge competition in the labor market will allow the "people" from the St. Petersburg lads to reduce the cost of production lower than in the most undeveloped countries at the expense of miserable wages. Illegally, but in fact, the working day will be increased to 16-18 hours a day without overtime. Child labor will be used everywhere in hazardous industries, because parents will not be able to support them ... The extinction of the "byd-la" will be compensated by the "gastro-beaters", so, superprofits to slave owners will be guaranteed for the next 50 years, guaranteed, with a guaranteed and constant flow of funds from pension contributions in the amount of hundreds of billions of dollars every month. Isn't life for the St. Petersburg Brotherhood? Only, it is unlikely that people past the 90s and "hot spots" will agree with this scenario. I'm afraid armored cars and tanks will be used as intended. "Bandera" also hoped for the resignation of the population.
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    3. Andrey K
      Andrey K 2 September 2018 10: 54
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      ... after the fire and the nose - the pump winked...

      Gennady hi
      Yes, the "opposition" would not remember anything.
      Our "opposition", ALL, very splendidly sits in both chambers of parliament, gets a good salary.
      The United Russia Party, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR (the marginalized from Yabloko turned out to be overboard, well, they did it themselves): they very well assigned the roles - "good policeman, evil policeman."
      It’s just that there is a single voting day on September 9th, and here they are scurrying around - in the wake of discontent, drag their own closer to the power feeding trough.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 2 September 2018 11: 46
        +6
        love
        here they are fussing - in the wake of discontent, drag their own closer to the power trough

        so to speak, a wave to saddle on it and to the ladies! wink
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 2 September 2018 11: 50
          +4
          Quote: Masya Masya
          ... so to speak, a wave to saddle on it and to the ladies! ...

          Marish love
          Short and capacious yes
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          2. Monos
            Monos 2 September 2018 15: 26
            +1
            I even know where the address of this photo studio is located: Bolshoy Devyatinsky per., 8. Hello African American Photoshop. smile
          3. Dull
            Dull 3 September 2018 03: 02
            0
            Quote: Karabin
            +24
            Quote: Masya Masya
            so to speak, ride the wave
            You can not wave

            Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! I forgot only the Jester and the lads to sit on the old woman’s back! laughing
        3. kakvastam
          kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 33
          +5
          Stockholm syndrome in its purest form - God forbid anyone who offends the master.
      2. kakvastam
        kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 31
        +3
        Yes, that’s why we’ll choose someone from EP, maybe the master will be kinder.
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 2 September 2018 22: 38
        +4
        It’s just that there is a single voting day on September 9th, and here they are scurrying around - in the wake of discontent, drag their own closer to the power feeding trough.

        That's right, Andrey hi We are "aware" of all events ...
    4. mgero
      mgero 2 September 2018 15: 07
      -3
      A who dast im stat opozitcej?
    5. Drlivsi
      Drlivsi 2 September 2018 20: 34
      +4
      Quote: Terenin
      Rallies against pension reform. The opposition remembered that it is the opposition?
      After the fire and nose - pump winked

      Initially, after the appearance of the "project" of reform, the Crimean communists tried to organize a rally on a legal basis, they were forbidden, moreover, as the mayor of Simferopol, Mr. Lukashev, said: "Try with you, we have a" national guard ".
      In fact, to call the gendarmerie "Rossguard" is blasphemy in relation to the memory of grandfathers and great-grandfathers
  2. Boris55
    Boris55 2 September 2018 10: 35
    -8
    Experts drew attention to the fact that ... the number of deputies from the opposition is such that in the end they still do not decide anything ...

    But not today!
    9 September will be an election for the post of head of Mos. reg. After a little thought, I will vote for the essays (SR) from all the proposed candidates, remembering that during its creation rumors persisted that this was a pro-Kremlin party.
    For others: the hand itself reaches for the holster - I want to shoot myself laughing
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 2 September 2018 11: 39
      +11
      Clear business what you for Mironovtsev .. laughing .Mironov, on the other hand, went to the elections under your irreplaceable and adored, for whom here they so diligently drowned until recently.
      ps see below.
    2. Sweetheart
      Sweetheart 2 September 2018 12: 22
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      After a moment of thought, of all the proposed candidates, I will vote for the essays (SR)

      Maladtsa !!
      That for the branch of the EP in the form of the party "homeland". Now for its own spoiler of the SR ... the young Boris ...
      Then again, in the pages of VO you will suffer, here's the byad .... not that and not those I chose again ..
      1. A good one
        A good one 2 September 2018 15: 45
        +5
        And I believe that the "Sword Bearer" only discredits the bright images and ideas of the Communist Party, a sort of leftist anarchist, we do not need such members of the same party. hi We've had enough of our casual fellow travelers, if you don't want to walk with us from the left, then get away from us with the right.
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 2 September 2018 16: 17
          -5
          Quote: Not bad
          a sort of leftist anarchist, we do not need such party members.

          Can you prove your chatter?
          Quote: Not bad
          We've had enough of our casual fellow travelers, if you don't want to walk with us from the left, then get away from us with the right.

          So roll off, if you step with the right.
          1. A good one
            A good one 2 September 2018 16: 30
            +4
            Well, my friend, I’m watching you have sailed, you’re planning to go to paradise at someone else’s expense, I repeat once again that you and I don’t get along.
            1. Sweetheart
              Sweetheart 2 September 2018 19: 28
              -4
              Quote: Not bad
              sailed

              Where are you going?
              Quote: Not bad
              about to get to paradise

              And who will let you go there?
              Quote: Not bad
              I repeat again

              Repeat what? Can you prove your slander? No?
              And why then inflate menacingly cheeks and wrinkle forehead in feigned anger?
              Quote: Not bad
              we will not be with you.

              And where am I going on the road with you ??? I don’t recall someone who would drink with you at Brudershaft and gather somewhere ...
              So will I wait for your answers to your speculations?
              1. A good one
                A good one 2 September 2018 19: 37
                +5
                A swordsman, and I'm about the same thing that you are here jumping on swamp bumps? Are you afraid to soak your feet? So sit on the couch and enjoy the worldly joys. hi
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                  1. A good one
                    A good one 2 September 2018 20: 37
                    0
                    So I say, it’s not good to offend girls, of course, so get a job, you can’t get through everything, you’ll understand everything on the spot, older comrades will guide you on the right path. hi
      2. major147
        major147 2 September 2018 18: 40
        +3
        Quote: The Swordsman
        Quote: Boris55
        After a moment of thought, of all the proposed candidates, I will vote for the essays (SR)

        Maladtsa !!
        That for the branch of the EP in the form of the party "homeland". Now for its own spoiler of the SR ... the young Boris ...
        Then again, in the pages of VO you will suffer, here's the byad .... not that and not those I chose again ..

        You probably know who to choose? Tell me.
        1. Russia
          Russia 2 September 2018 20: 12
          +4
          We found someone to ask, so a political dummy and a soap bubble that lives one day. Troll and troll methods in ways of expressing thoughts. smile
  3. Observer2014
    Observer2014 2 September 2018 10: 38
    +23
    but they give an occasion to the people to believe that there is a constructive and workable opposition in the country.
    Yeah. Is it interesting from the EP party that someone will come to agitate us at the enterprise? Well, tell us how their spaceships will plow the expanses of the universe. Or they’ll frighten? We men are waiting with genuine interest in fiery speeches, improving the quality and life expectancy laughing Why from ER.Yes because in their irrepressible desire to lick the Kremlin, their champing began to interfere with sleep at night wassat laughing
  4. Stoler
    Stoler 2 September 2018 10: 38
    +21
    Putin himself admitted that for 18 years of his rule he brought the country to the edge. And to continue to fatten, you need to rob the elderly. Create them such living conditions so that they do not live to retirement.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 2 September 2018 10: 52
      -13
      Quote: Stoler
      Putin himself admitted that for 18 years of his rule he brought the country to the edge.

      Well, where did you see this recognition? belay
      And to continue to fatten, you need to rob the elderly. Create them such living conditions so that they do not live to retirement.

      this is genius laughing
      to rob old people so that they do not survive laughing
      and if they don’t survive, then who should they rob? laughing
      and besides old people, there is no one to "rob"? has everyone already been robbed?
      then foreign cars on the roads are not cranking. used to be 2-3 cars for the whole house, now every family has at least one. it's just a shot. examples of how a "country driven to the brink" lives the mass. it is a pity that some have such a short memory. compare Russia BEFORE Putin in the 90s and today
      Now answer the simplest question, why should Putin rob the old people ????
      1. Stoler
        Stoler 2 September 2018 11: 02
        +30
        I remember the 90s very well. But if "life has become better !!!!" WHAT NECESSITY MAKES THE AUTHORITIES TO CARRY OUT SUCH "REFORMS" ???
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 07
          -21
          You will see in 10 years that this is a global trend. Everyone lifts him, and they will continue to raise him. It's unavoidable.
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 2 September 2018 11: 35
            +21
            Bull Terrier
            You will see in 10 years that this is a global trend. Everyone lifts him, and they will continue to raise him. It's unavoidable.
            I don’t understand. Does Russia have its own individual development path? Or should we look around in this case. So what the hell did they increase the term to 6 years and the possibility of choosing a second term for the presidency. So let's Bull Terrier goodbye. The authorities and the media have so much for us over the years. What you yourself have fallen into for it. You have nothing to cover. Well, besides silly old people who dream of self-realization after 60, do Kiselev’s programlaughing wassat laughing
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 37
              -10
              What does anyone have to do with development?) I said this is a trend. Forgive the rest, I do not understand)
              1. kakvastam
                kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 48
                +9
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                sorry, I do not understand

                It was necessary to begin with this.
                And then let’s spin the juvenile, import migrants, breed pedophiles with homosexuals — the world trend, and you don’t have to wait ten years!
              2. The Siberian barber
                The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 18: 11
                +3
                Quote: Bull Terrier
                What does anyone have to do with development?) I said this is a trend. Forgive the rest, I do not understand)

                Are you talking about the "population utilization program"?)))
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 September 2018 18: 59
                  -2
                  Lower the prices of vodka and cigarettes - and then the population will begin to utilize itself, with even greater zeal.
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 2 September 2018 19: 25
              0
              Quote: Observer2014
              So what kind of devil increased the term to 6 years

              they told you about five times. who can they retire to their parents in a pension fund I can’t put money on the old age of parents
          2. SlavaS
            SlavaS 2 September 2018 12: 15
            +6
            "Tendency" is interesting in the same Europe what is the life expectancy, and what work experience, but we will not count it as years, but we will count it in working hours
          3. Revival
            Revival 2 September 2018 13: 31
            +5
            The global trend consists of a large number of factors, and you push one of them the simplest and most predatory one-way
          4. kakvastam
            kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 45
            +5
            During my childhood they said: "And if everyone jumps out the window, will you also jump?", And even earlier - "The Jew hanged himself for company." Are you suggesting that we hang ourselves for the company?
            I do not argue, mirror neurons are a useful thing, but if there is nothing more in the brain, do not wait for good.
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        2. Dead duck
          Dead duck 2 September 2018 11: 15
          -3
          Quote: Stoler
          WHAT NECESSITY MAKES THE AUTHORITIES TO CARRY OUT SUCH "REFORMS" ???

          before yelling in capital letters, it would be nice to get acquainted with the essence ...
          like that - an agreement with the IMF and so on with the "financial liberals of the West" (with them, by the way, and Trump is at war) in the 90s ...
          1. Stoler
            Stoler 2 September 2018 11: 21
            +15
            In general, it is clear in the end: the "world trend" is to blame, Medvedev, the IMF and of course the "financial liberals of the West" laughing laughing laughing BRAVO!!!! good Bored with you ((((
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            2. Dead duck
              Dead duck 3 September 2018 11: 31
              +1
              Quote: Stoler
              In general, it is clear in the end: the "world trend" is to blame, Medvedev, the IMF and of course the "financial liberals of the West" laughing laughing laughing BRAVO!!!! good Bored with you ((((

        3. LSA57
          LSA57 2 September 2018 19: 22
          +1
          Quote: Stoler
          FORCES THE AUTHORITY TO CARRY OUT SUCH "REFORMS" ???
          Reply

          WHAT ????
          Yes, finally understand. CHILDREN earn retirement to parents 5 ?????? in the 90s there was a birth ??? here p = and no who will feed the parents now !!
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 2 September 2018 11: 12
        +20
        LSA57 (Sergei)
        compare Russia to Putin in the 90s and today's
        Seryozha, compare Russia the century before last and the present. .And even better, compare Germany in 1945. And 1963 is weak. So enough for us to carry this nonsense. By the way, remember about the Mongol-Tatar yoke to the heap. laughing
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 2 September 2018 11: 17
        +8
        Quote: LSA57
        Well, where did you see this recognition?

        Spend 5 minutes of your precious time (maybe write one comment less, the loss is not great), watch a video where it’s very well told about this:
        1. Vard
          Vard 2 September 2018 11: 52
          -4
          People of a certain nationality are calling us against people of the same nationality ... Maybe they can figure it out among themselves, without us ...
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 2 September 2018 11: 59
          +2
          I’ll also suggest looking at these, too, you won’t regret: Look program for 29 empty shelves, lines ...


          + this is A. Chubais "rush hour" 30.06.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX



          And the last Illarionov "Rush Hour" 23.07.1998/XNUMX/XNUMX
        3. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 2 September 2018 12: 24
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          very well told about it

          The beautiful is far away ... Alice ...
          Alice, is it true that we will build bases on Mars?
          It’s not true that you will not live up to retirement.
          These are the realities of retirement from EP.
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 19: 02
          0
          Again, no explanation - why are they technically not feasible. Solid soap.
        5. LSA57
          LSA57 2 September 2018 19: 36
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Spend 5 minutes of your precious time (maybe write one comment less, the loss is not great), watch a video where it’s very well told about this:

          Well, who is it ??
          another sofa?
          Well, why do you believe delirium, but as soon as it’s almost wrong, cons)))))
          one of you has already agreed that officials should replace intelligence laughing
          not one of you even made fun of him laughing
      4. Heinrich ruppert
        Heinrich ruppert 2 September 2018 12: 02
        +9
        Quote: LSA57
        this is genius

        Watson is elementary smile

        Quote: LSA57
        to rob old people so that they do not survive

        A person who has worked all his life and has allocated funds from his payroll to various funds of the cash desk and other accounts has the right and imagine it is even legal to receive these funds back. In order not to give these funds to this person, but rather to throw it, you need to make him work longer and invest in these funds.
        This is a kid
        Quote: LSA57
        and besides old people, there is no one to "rob"? has everyone already been robbed?

        Almost a stab fund and others do not exist anymore since the loot was already withdrawn from there to other accounts in offshore. Or do they exist and are filled to capacity?
        Quote: LSA57
        then foreign cars on the roads are not cranking. used to be 2-3 cars for the whole house, now every family has at least one. it's just a snap. examples of how "a country driven to the brink" lives a mass

        But is it that a person who has earned money does not have the right to dispose of these funds as he wants.
        Only life makes you have two cars. Since both parents must work to have this. And at the same time there was still a little money left for food and clothing.
        Quote: LSA57
        compare Russia BEFORE Putin in the 90s and today's answer to the simplest question, why should Putin rob the old people ????

        Compare it as.
        When the robbery of the country began in the 90s, city-forming enterprises are robbed and destroyed.
        The trend continues. And the old people are robbed, as this is the last where there is money. Which need to be welded. the remaining funds are empty.
      5. Stas157
        Stas157 2 September 2018 13: 15
        +10
        Quote: LSA57
        then cars on the roads do not turn. earlier on the whole house 2-3 cars

        And you still remember the cave age, there weren’t any cars there at all! Technology is evolving, and cars are among those technologies. Previously, there were 2-3 personal computers for the whole house, but there were no smartphones at all! But, if you now have a smartphone in your hands, and even the presence of a car, this does not mean that you live richly! In the poorest Ukraine, this is also all, but no one like you claims that they all live there (since, they say, people have cars!).
        1. reservist
          reservist 3 September 2018 12: 11
          +1
          Quote: Stas157
          Previously, there were 2-3 personal computers for the whole house, but there were no smartphones at all!

          Well, if then to a laptop (weighing 5-6 kg) add a cellular nokia (weighing 2-3 kg), then we can say that the functional analogue of the current smart still had a place to be, only of course with different weight, dimensions and most importantly - almost inaccessible price tag ...

          Quote: Stas157
          But, if you now have a smartphone in your hands, and even the presence of a car, this does not mean that you live richly!

          most likely it says that you will pay the loan for all this for a long time ...

          I agree that it is pointless to compare the number of cars, computers and other gadgets
          You need to compare the availability of education and housing, the quality of medicine, the safety of the environment in which you live, etc.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 September 2018 12: 16
            0
            Quote: reservist
            it makes no sense to compare the number of cars, computers and other gadgets
            you need to compare the availability of education and housing, the quality of medicine, the safety of the environment in which you live

            That's it! hi
      6. kakvastam
        kakvastam 2 September 2018 13: 41
        +7
        Quote: LSA57
        Previously, there were 2-3 cars for a whole house, now every family has at least one.

        Are you sure you never left the Moscow Ring Road? So pamper yourself, travel around the regions, hang out in the villages of the Tver region, for example, see what "at least one" is there.
        And what about "confessed" - after all, by the very fact of supporting an absolutely unjustified reform, he signed that the results of his activities, to put it mildly, are not positive.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 14: 53
          -9
          We traveled hundreds of times outside the Moscow Ring Road, a recent trip to Kashira and the surrounding villages - almost all have cars. The only problem is the lack of gas supply and water supply.
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 2 September 2018 15: 02
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            We traveled hundreds of times outside the Moscow Ring Road, a recent trip to Kashira and the surrounding villages - almost all have cars. The only problem is the lack of gas supply and water supply.

            Light, that is, stove heating. Thanks already to the great Putin. And there are smartphones. Thanks again to great Putin.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 September 2018 16: 26
              -9
              The main roads are almost perfect and half have their own farm. And even the USSR did not bother to spend gas and water in 70 years of its existence - in 7 years it will do it all.
            2. Dull
              Dull 3 September 2018 01: 43
              0
              Quote: Leshy1975
              Light, that is, stove heating. Thanks already to the great Putin. And there are smartphones. Thanks again to great Putin.

              You can collect dead wood on city squares, and leftovers in litter bins and all for free! Glory to the King! laughing
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 10
                -2
                This is your prospect - to collect scraps in garbage cans.
          2. Revival
            Revival 2 September 2018 17: 38
            +6
            I also travel periodically to the Astrakhan region, where there are a lot of these cars, pennies, seven priors in a state of trash and at a price of 50 thousand rubles.
            Miracle! not cars.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 2 September 2018 18: 36
              +5
              Quote: Revival
              I also travel periodically to the Astrakhan region, where there are a lot of these cars, pennies, seven priors in a state of trash and at a price of 50 thousand rubles.
              Miracle! not cars.

              Right And pimped houses. And not only there, just arrange at least guided tours around the country to admire the wealthy not by years, but by the days of Russians. And most importantly, the USSR is still remembered.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 September 2018 19: 08
              -4
              In the regional center of the Volgograd Region, there are more and more premium cars every year, and in 2006 you could walk on the roads there calmly, now there is just a stream there.
              1. Dull
                Dull 3 September 2018 01: 47
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                In the regional center of the Volgograd Region, there are more and more premium cars every year, and in 2006 you could walk on the roads there calmly, now there is just a stream there.

                So, United Russia, tea does not get poorer, and increase in quantity every year! lol To feed such a horde, even when retired, beggarly saliva was allowed. fellow am
          3. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 18: 15
            +7
            Quote: Vadim237
            We traveled hundreds of times outside the Moscow Ring Road, a recent trip to Kashira and the surrounding villages - almost all have cars. The only problem is the lack of gas supply and water supply.

            ... everything is fine, only "the wool sheds and the tail falls off")))
            I think it is not necessary to designate the "price tag" of connecting the house to the "national heritage", from the sponsored structures)))
      7. kakvastam
        kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 13
        +4
        Quote: LSA57
        it's brilliant laughing
        to rob old people so that they do not live out laughing

        And all ingenious is simple.
        Or have you forgotten how Switzerland "rose" in the Holocaust by receiving a huge amount of "silent" contributions?
        So the methodology is proven, reliable, does not give failures - it’s a sin not to use it.
    2. Squelcher
      Squelcher 2 September 2018 11: 05
      -2
      Well, you would definitely raise the country from its knees ....
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 13
        -2
        These can only "lift" the language - nothing more.
  5. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 10: 40
    +2
    The opposition waited a long time for the error of the authorities, finally it waited - there is nothing to be done about it, we must wait until the emotions subside.
  6. Stoler
    Stoler 2 September 2018 10: 44
    +16
    And about the elections - We have no party affiliation on campaign posters. laughing Stumbled laughing laughing laughing
    1. helmi8
      helmi8 2 September 2018 10: 50
      +17
      Quote: Stoler
      On our campaign posters, not a single candidate has party affiliation

      You will laugh - but we don't even have posters with the names of the candidates ... There are only "9 September - a single voting day" hanging. And that's it !!! We can only guess who will win the elections ...
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 2 September 2018 15: 07
        +1
        Quote: helmi8
        Quote: Stoler
        On our campaign posters, not a single candidate has party affiliation

        You will laugh - but we don't even have posters with the names of the candidates ... There are only "9 September - a single voting day" hanging. And that's it !!! We can only guess who will win the elections ...

        Why guess? Naturally EP. I think today in the news there will be a minimum of information about rallies, if at all. By the way, we also have zero agitation, everything has already been decided.
      2. Dull
        Dull 3 September 2018 01: 51
        0
        Quote: helmi8
        You will laugh - but we don't even have posters with the names of the candidates ... There are only "9 September - a single voting day" hanging. And that's it !!! We can only guess who will win the elections ...

        Central Election Commission with "Terrible and Terrible Goodwin" at its head. Magically, all 200% of the population will vote for EP! wassat laughing
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 2 September 2018 10: 51
      0
      Quote: Stoler
      no party affiliation indicated

      They will not hide. In the internet, as in Greece, everything is there:
      https://шаховскаямо.рф/2018/08/16/kandidaty-v-gubernatory-moskovskoj-oblasti-2018/
    3. SlavaS
      SlavaS 2 September 2018 10: 54
      +2
      Usually in the ballot papers write
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 12: 30
        +7
        Quote: SlavaS
        Usually in the ballot papers write

        What's the point? Where to look at their biography? Searched, did not find. Only age, information about education, place of work, yes criminal record.
        1. Dull
          Dull 3 September 2018 01: 53
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          yes criminal record.

          He is the same monument, someone will plant him! lol
  7. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 10: 44
    -9
    Quote: Stoler
    Putin himself admitted that for 18 years of his rule he brought the country to the edge.

    Putin completely concentrated on foreign policy and succeeded there, leaving the domestic one on Medvedev. Wrong horse set))
    1. SlavaS
      SlavaS 2 September 2018 10: 58
      +16
      Who needs this foreign policy? The welfare of the country's citizens should improve from it, and not the other way around.
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 2 September 2018 11: 08
      +5
      Medvedev is not a horse. and not even a bear but an unknown animal.
    3. Conductor
      Conductor 2 September 2018 11: 10
      +8
      So cheeks to inflate and bomb is easier than seriously dealing with the economy.
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 2 September 2018 12: 25
      +6
      Quote: lucul
      Wrong horse set))

      Yes, he turns out to be a player on our sweepstakes! And they said a multi-way chess player.
    5. Mussasi
      Mussasi 2 September 2018 13: 13
      +1
      All that he has achieved in foreign policy will leave with him. Because everything is kept there purely on his authority. You can look through the history books, if anyone doubts it there are such examples on each page.
    6. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 2 September 2018 14: 16
      +13
      Quote: lucul
      Quote: Stoler
      Putin himself admitted that for 18 years of his rule he brought the country to the edge.

      Putin completely concentrated on foreign policy and succeeded there, leaving the domestic one on Medvedev. Wrong horse set))

      US bases in Ukraine (Where? Yes, even Ochakov. Who wants, can reassure themselves that they are trying for the Ukrainian Navy) is this called succeeded in the external? Georgia has become a resort for the US and NATO military in general. Of the recent "successes", where is Armenia heading? And then the silence on TV about this. How then will failures look like ?! Can't break through the Moscow Ring Road?
      1. Dull
        Dull 3 September 2018 01: 55
        0
        Quote: Leshy1975
        How then will failure look ?! For MKAD will not be able to break through?

        There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road! laughing
    7. lis-ik
      lis-ik 2 September 2018 15: 10
      +14
      Quote: lucul
      Quote: Stoler
      Putin himself admitted that for 18 years of his rule he brought the country to the edge.

      Putin completely concentrated on foreign policy and succeeded there, leaving the domestic one on Medvedev. Wrong horse set))

      Please, in more detail, where did you succeed? No one in the world puts a penny in the Russian Federation!
  8. Bull Terrier
    Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 10: 45
    -26
    Nu-nu) Well, now you cancel by some miracle this increase, our children will still raise it anyway. To shift the egoism of pure water onto the shoulders of others! After us, even a flood, it seems so they say ?!
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 2 September 2018 10: 53
      +29
      At this rate, our children will be left without a pension at all. After us, at least a flood - under this slogan all the last years in Russia have passed (eating up natural resources and not really developing our industry)
      1. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 10: 59
        -23
        I do not observe such signs. The comments below are fairer. It is necessary to hold a rally not against the increase, but for the increase, but the right one. Fair so let's say
        1. Dull
          Dull 3 September 2018 02: 00
          +1
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          I do not observe such signs. The comments below are fairer. It is necessary to hold a rally not against the increase, but for the increase, but the right one. Fair so let's say

          We do not mind. First, we raise all EP members to a retirement age of up to 200 years, reducing salaries to the minimum, and then, in 500 years and to the whole population, if our descendants like it! laughing good
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 2 September 2018 10: 55
      -1
      It may be necessary to raise the retirement age, but this must be done honestly. First of all, a real reform is needed, not a rip-off of the poor. However, due to the established Soviet standards and the unsuccessful use of some Western systems, it’s just not possible to fix it all at once. And secondly, we need professionals who would be engaged in reform and not this outrage.
      The system should be as clear and transparent as possible. In addition, everyone should "save up" a pension for himself so that he knows in advance what and how he will have when he does not have the strength to work. All loafers need to be kicked off the social network.
      Well, and the government should not refuse social programs. The money that our government manages is our money and we have every right to demand that it be used for the needs of the people. And if now the authorities do not know how to solve the problem, maybe it is time to dismiss it?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 2 September 2018 11: 42
        +2
        Quote: AwaZ
        it is necessary to raise the retirement age, but this must be done honestly.

        Somehow, everyone forgot everything about the referendum on raising the retirement age, which was suddenly allowed, and after all, a referendum is the highest form of libation of the people, the guarantor just did not give a damn, well, I did not wait for the Russians to express themselves, he said, the point must be raised. Yes, and now the referendum is being torn apart by all opposition parties, which speaks of the essence of the opposition — you bark, you don’t get loot from the Kremlin, you bark, you get loot from the State Department, I’m sad ...
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 12: 22
        +17
        Quote: AwaZ
        However, due to established Soviet standards

        After the collapse of the USSR, about 5 reforms were pension reforms. Will we bring down the Soviets for a long time?
        Quote: AwaZ
        just like that at a time - it’s not all right. And secondly, we need professionals who would be engaged in reform and not this outrage.

        In the government, economists are all sitting. Something does not go stone flower.
        Quote: AwaZ
        All loafers need to be dismissed from the social sphere.

        Introduce euthanasia? I am for.
        Quote: AwaZ
        the authorities do not know how to solve the problem, maybe it is time to fire her?

        So just chose Putin, and you want to dismiss already.
      3. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 2 September 2018 15: 33
        +13
        "Everyone should save for a pension for himself" in the Russian Federation, accumulation is impossible for the absolute majority of citizens - money is devalued. If a person has enough income to pay for utilities + food + daily expenses and cheap clothes as they wear out, then it is very difficult to postpone 1/12 of the annual income. But the worse is that no bank will charge interest comparable to inflation for small amounts, as a result, after 10 years, you can go to the store a couple of times for this amount, and after 20 years you can buy a box of matches. Those who have the opportunity to save 100000 each - their% will be higher, the money will be depreciated only partially. Participation in highly profitable programs is a high risk of losing everything. There is no way to save money in the country. It's not even about the absence of social lifts, a person who has fallen into a difficult financial situation is doomed to further impoverishment. People who have lost a successful business are more likely to lose their freedom than return to their previous level of income.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 2 September 2018 15: 57
          +5
          Quote: olimpiada15
          "Everyone should save for a pension for himself" in the Russian Federation, accumulation is impossible for the absolute majority of citizens - money is depreciated. ........
          Well done Eugene! You absolutely reason rightly! I support! That's exactly it! And not only in Russia, but also in the USA and EU countries!
      4. LSA57
        LSA57 2 September 2018 19: 50
        0
        Quote: AwaZ
        but you have to do it honestly.

        how HONEST ???
        The President told why it happened
        The system should be as clear and transparent as possible.

        enough to go into VO.
        can you go to the site of the pension vonda?
      5. Dull
        Dull 3 September 2018 02: 04
        -1
        Quote: AwaZ
        The money that our government manages is our money and we have every right to demand that it be used for the needs of the people

        She doesn’t think so. Look how she lives on our money and you will understand that you are wrong, because 97% of the population do not even dream of living like that. wassat
    3. SlavaS
      SlavaS 2 September 2018 10: 56
      -2
      It depends on who will sit behind the Kremlin wall
    4. Revival
      Revival 2 September 2018 13: 36
      +3
      Yes there is no this failure which you leave to children to raise!
      But the fact that you leave the conditions of enslavement to children is for sure
    5. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      To shift the egoism of pure water onto the shoulders of others!

      Judging by this fragment, even those who are still before the USE are mobilized - both to China and vice versa!
      And why is it such a personnel shortage?
    6. reservist
      reservist 3 September 2018 12: 34
      0
      Quote: Bull Terrier
      ... to our children anyway then raise

      it’s not so much that the average life expectancy exceeds the retirement age by a couple of years ... and not so much that it is almost impossible to find a job ten years before retirement ...
  9. K. Sergey.
    K. Sergey. 2 September 2018 10: 46
    +3
    Why aren't they coming together? The feeling is that this is all the wiring of people in different directions.
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 2 September 2018 11: 27
      +10
      How can they come together if they have a different ideology, different views on the political system and economic system of the country? Therefore, Mironov always turns his face to the side, trying to pull the people in parallel with the edrom and merging with it, as in the election of a non-guarantor. About the Liberal Democratic Party is not even worth talking about, the liberal already speaks a word for itself. negative There is nothing to do with the people of these two blow-ups of the power of the liberals, otherwise they would have gone along with the Communist Party against the pension genocide. negative
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 2 September 2018 12: 28
        -1
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        ... otherwise, they would go along with the Communist Party against pension genocide.

        That's when, when monetizing the benefits of the Communist Party of the Communist Party, Leningradka blocked it - I even respected them, but then they quickly blown away - to see they found common points of contact with the authorities. Now, more than letting out steam from the people, for the benefit of the bourgeois, she is not capable. To vote for them is one and the same as for EP. The difference between them - some under the CPSU were the first secretaries, the second - the second. That the first, that the second of the USSR were killed ...

        My party is the party of the Bolsheviks, but it is not there. So it comes from the fact that there is someone to choose from sad
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 2 September 2018 12: 44
          +1
          For lack of a stamp they write in a simple (s) -here Communist Party comes closest to everyone, it carries the ideas of socialism, good for the majority, respectively, it can be called Bolshevik (communism-utopia). A SR .. wassat . Well and ,, piece of paper ,, you yourself have chosen .. yes
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 2 September 2018 14: 06
            -2
            Quote: DEPHIHTO
            For lack of a stamp they write in a simple (c) -here Communist Party comes closest to all, it carries the ideas of socialism, good for the majority, respectively, it can be called Bolshevik

            The Bolsheviks in the party ended in the 1952, when the CPSU (b) was renamed the CPSU. With the advent of Khrushchev in the 1953, power passed from the soviets to the party nomenclature, which was enshrined in the Brezhnev constitution of the 1978 year as a guideline and guideline, which, based on Marx's doctrine of capitalism, successfully led us to capitalism. What is the platform - such is the result. The Communist Party does not revise the teachings of Karl Marx - she still takes it into service ...

            Now the party nomenclature continues to rule us and it does not matter what kind of abbreviation it has. In fact, after the death of Stalin and the coming to power of the Trotskyists, nothing has changed. There are no Soviets of workers and peasants and are not expected in the near future. There is no one to defend our rights. sad

            And the fact that I will vote for the Socialist Revolutionaries - so that my vote would not go to even more disrespectful candidates.
            1. DEDPIHTO
              DEDPIHTO 3 September 2018 08: 25
              0
              I suspect that now edros will begin to flow into the SR. Well, what is it, a ready-made party with a native bourgeois-Menshevik theme and there is not enough time before the State Duma elections to unscrew edro 3.0 from scratch and it’s now vital for the edrosovites to re-log in. Mironov will be given the parade post of the founding father, who is also manual, agrees. Not for this, was SR created, as an alternate edra aerodrome? And for the role of their fanning (as SR now) they will begin to slowly spin up a new party. How do you like my version?
        2. kakvastam
          kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 27
          +5
          It is categorically unacceptable both to vote for United Russia and to ignore the elections.
          Feedback is necessary, just the humanities who are seated at the top do not know this ...
          1. DEDPIHTO
            DEDPIHTO 3 September 2018 08: 45
            0
            Quote: kakvastam
            It is categorically unacceptable both to vote for United Russia and to ignore the elections.
            Feedback is necessary, just the humanities who are seated at the top do not know this ...

            And you also can’t vote for self-nominated people who do not have a party affiliation or indicate that they are non-partisan (potential future edrosovets) hi
    2. Revival
      Revival 2 September 2018 13: 39
      0
      This idea was also cut while reading the article. Those have their own meeting with these and so on
    3. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 22
      +6
      Yes, this is a deliberate fragmentation of the opposition electorate.
      Do you think that in vain they are now trying to pit everyone - everyone with young people, smokers with non-smokers, military with civilians?
      Old as the world - but it works.
  10. saigon
    saigon 2 September 2018 10: 50
    +2
    One thing is not clear, but what (the government) thought was such a trick under the guise of a football championship starting up?
    It is understandable not the positional party of EP clapping and beating in ecstasy sweaty palms took this muck out of place.
    And when other parties are against (like most citizens of my country) they do not need to listen, beautiful
  11. UZBEK TASHKENT
    UZBEK TASHKENT 2 September 2018 10: 51
    +8
    It is impossible to build a social state in the system of wild capitalism. Socialist revolution 2.0.
    1. saigon
      saigon 2 September 2018 11: 15
      +1
      Yes, here revolutions do not need to not stand the country one more, just can not stand it and the beam will not.
      1. Dull
        Dull 3 September 2018 02: 08
        0
        Quote: saigon
        But revolutions do not need to not stand the country one more, just can not stand it and the beam will not.

        Someone wants it, but better than dying as a serf who was screwed up at the stable of a new master for his inability to work as a loader at the age of 90.
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 2 September 2018 11: 29
      +13
      For some reason I want to live ...
      1. Don
        Don 2 September 2018 12: 04
        +4
        We will survive, we will certainly survive wink
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 2 September 2018 20: 06
          +1
          Quote: Donskoy
          We will survive, we will certainly survive wink

          well ... live-fiery revolutionary greetings convey ... but I can not live so much ...
  12. naidas
    naidas 2 September 2018 10: 54
    +7
    It’s interesting why they don’t even say a single poster with characters from United Russia carrying out this reform on the ground. September 9 is the day of a single vote, you need to know the heroes of pension reform in the regions throughout Russia, and not just in the capital.
  13. Zubr
    Zubr 2 September 2018 10: 54
    +4
    smile
    Instead of saying something, I’ll show you one passage here.
  14. XXXIII
    XXXIII 2 September 2018 10: 57
    +2
    Rallies against pension reform. The opposition remembered that it is the opposition?
    All this pension reform, multiplying by zero, they will refuse again in the fall and will say that something did not work out, the masses will come up with reasons, but they will say how good we are that they didn’t allow this, vote for us .... lol
    I don’t believe their chatter, until nothing really has been done, only words ... No.
  15. HMR333
    HMR333 2 September 2018 10: 59
    -16
    Why do you just react so wildly to the reform that you still have everything super and the prices for everything and the communal apartment and right now even more favorable conditions have been given to you for the reform who are still dissatisfied! in Ukraine zepa with communal prices and .... the same reform introduced here where it would be worth panicking! all the more indignant or not, it’s all the same said that this need will be introduced anyway!
    1. Don
      Don 2 September 2018 12: 06
      +15
      The main slogan of the current government - It doesn’t matter that everything is bad with us, the main thing is that Ukrainians are worse!
      1. Corn
        Corn 2 September 2018 13: 22
        -5
        Just do not blame everything on the authorities, it is only a mirror of society.
        For example, all local marshals-generalissimo "curry favor" with just such comments.
        In the last election, the president received absolute support, in the September elections, the president’s party will also receive the overwhelming majority of votes, which means the people fully support the party’s line.
        1. Leshy1975
          Leshy1975 2 September 2018 14: 30
          +6
          Quote: Corn
          Just do not blame everything on the authorities, it is only a mirror of society.
          For example, all local marshals-generalissimo "curry favor" with just such comments.
          In the last election, the president received absolute support, in the September elections, the president’s party will also receive the overwhelming majority of votes, which means the people fully support the party’s line.

          It means that these people quietly then rewrite the election data for the necessary ones (about the admin resource, when they force it, even with threats that they find out who voted how, I’m even silent). And then I kept thinking, who could it be?
          1. Corn
            Corn 2 September 2018 15: 26
            -4
            Conspiracy theories about "rewriting results" do not hold up to scrutiny. If we take the past elections, then in advance all major polls predicted approximately the same results.
            Anyone who wishes could personally verify their legitimacy and become an independent observer, for example, my father monitored compliance with the law at our local polling station, preliminary results roughly coincided with those in the country (+/- a few percent).
            The administrative resource was already used by local officials in their personal interests (to earn "points" in a political career, pleasing the bosses in reports, to move up the party hierarchy - everything is like in the favorite of the members of the USSR forum), to force to vote for a specific candidate and to control the officials had no opportunity, but the fact that they drove people to go to the polls .... so in some quite developed countries they are generally fined for ignoring the electoral process.
            1. Leshy1975
              Leshy1975 2 September 2018 18: 47
              -3
              Quote: Corn
              Conspiracy theories about "rewriting results" do not hold up to scrutiny. If we take the past elections, then in advance all major polls predicted approximately the same results.
              Anyone who wishes could personally verify their legitimacy and become an independent observer, for example, my father monitored compliance with the law at our local polling station, preliminary results roughly coincided with those in the country (+/- a few percent).
              The administrative resource was already used by local officials in their personal interests (to earn "points" in a political career, pleasing the bosses in reports, to move up the party hierarchy - everything is like in the favorite of the members of the USSR forum), to force to vote for a specific candidate and to control the officials had no opportunity, but the fact that they drove people to go to the polls .... so in some quite developed countries they are generally fined for ignoring the electoral process.

              "there was no way for the officials to force to vote for a specific candidate and control them"
              I naturally cannot speak for all officials. I can tell you how the elections are organized in a separate electoral office. My sister's husband serves. You go into the booth, vote for whom you are supposed to, a photo on your phone and then report this photo to the commander. And whether this is the case everywhere and what other methods of organizing the "free" expression of will are used, I do not know about that. Of course, after the photo the newsletter can be spoiled, but the psychological pressure is not weak. And whether it is considered a conspiracy theory or childish pranks of individuals in certain places, you decide for yourself.
              1. Corn
                Corn 2 September 2018 19: 59
                +1
                About how the elections among the military take place, I myself know very well, and in your retelling of the irony retelling of history ( I hope the broken phone rule does not work? ) there are several nuances:
                -In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation phones with a camera are prohibited (if at least someone gets caught, everyone will get a hat)
                - Why arrange such complex fraud if (according to your own logic) the CEC can draw absolutely any rating regardless of the actual results?
                - "What more than one person knows about is no longer a secret," but here is a whole subdivision of witnesses to the crime, and each, in addition to words, has a photo-video confirmation. Why would the commanders risk their careers so much?
                1. Leshy1975
                  Leshy1975 2 September 2018 20: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Corn
                  About how the elections among the military take place, I myself know very well, and in your retelling of the irony retelling of history ( I hope the broken phone rule does not work? ) there are several nuances:
                  -In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation phones with a camera are prohibited (if at least someone gets caught, everyone will get a hat)
                  - Why arrange such complex fraud if (according to your own logic) the CEC can draw absolutely any rating regardless of the actual results?
                  - "What more than one person knows about is no longer a secret," but here is a whole subdivision of witnesses to the crime, and each, in addition to words, has a photo-video confirmation. Why would the commanders risk their careers so much?

                  Well, why put a shadow on the fence? The ban on camera phones only came into effect this spring. And about, draw any rating to the CEC. Well, let me remind you that the whole country saw more than 146% on monitors. I don’t know if it was the CEC or another circle of "very good hands", but there is still a photo of this fact on the Internet. And so: (source - Snob) "After voting in the elections to the State Duma in December 2011, Russian TV channels transmitted data to the CEC, from which it followed that 146 percent of voters voted in the Rostov region, 129 percent in the Voronezh region, and 115 in the Sverdlovsk region. percent.
                  Vladimir Churov claims that such data never existed. However, in the history of Russian elections, it has happened that candidates received more than 100 percent of the vote. This, for example, happened at the elections of local self-government in St. Petersburg. "
                  Well, what about conspiracy theory?
    2. Revival
      Revival 2 September 2018 13: 46
      +4
      So we will have this next step, the logic of events and intentions does not give another development of events.
      An example of justification for a vskidka:
      Dear citizens! Housing and communal services has billions of dollars in debt and catastrophic deterioration of fixed assets, the budget can no longer subsidize utilities! It is necessary to raise tariffs N times! Otherwise, collapse! Voila!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 2 September 2018 20: 08
        +6
        I am amazed at the abundance of trolls on the site! moderators! Arbeiten is necessary!
    3. Dull
      Dull 3 September 2018 02: 21
      -1
      Quote: HMR333
      Why do you just react so wildly to the reform that you still have everything super and the prices for everything and the communal apartment and right now even more favorable conditions have been given to you for the reform who are still dissatisfied! in Ukraine zepa with communal prices and .... the same reform introduced here where it would be worth panicking! all the more indignant or not, it’s all the same said that this need will be introduced anyway!

      They will not introduce themselves, something without Vaseline. The people will vote by pitchfork and sawn-off shotguns. With the population of their country, not a single government has won a war. hi
  16. tasha
    tasha 2 September 2018 11: 01
    +1
    In normal, civilized countries, the opposition is those who offer other ways to solve problems than those offered by the authorities. In abnormal and uncivilized countries (including Ukraine), the opposition does not even think about whether the country is facing problems, and if so, which ones, it considers it its holy duty to interfere with power everywhere and in everything, and then criticize for everything that has been done . At the same time, having come to power and faced with the need to do something, the opposition often begins to do the same as the authorities ...

    A. Afanasyev "Ukraine - a quarter of a century of independence. The look of an outsider. Book 3. Time of trouble".

    Let’s see, we read with what slogans people will be led out .. Will we see at least one demanding jobs, the opportunity to create a pension and see how pension savings work?
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 02
    +2
    "The deputy proposes to consider the possibility of increasing the size of pensions without raising the retirement age" It will be interesting to hear what these sources are for increasing pensions: to withdraw a trillion from the oil industry, raise taxes for entrepreneurs, pay pensions from gold and foreign exchange reserves, 26 million employees and employers get out of the shadows - how to do it? - 10 trillion rubles is needed to pay 42 million for 20000 each within a year, there are options to reduce the number of officials by 60 percent and replace their functions with one window - within 6 years, this will lead to savings of more than 500 billion rubles every year, a negative side effect - more than a million unemployed will appear on the labor market, with the oil industry there is one and a half trillion, 26 million shadow workers have an amount of under 10 trillion in their hands, not subject to any taxes at all, this is about 2.5 trillion rubles not going to the budget, already 4 trillion it turns out, the remaining 6 trillion at the expense of what to take. Everything is not as simple as it seems at first glance.
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 10
      -7
      It’s hard for people to explain. Everyone thinks that raising pensions is easy. But they don’t even know the order of the amounts and don’t want to know.
      1. Leshy1975
        Leshy1975 2 September 2018 14: 45
        +8
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        It’s hard for people to explain. Everyone thinks that raising pensions is easy. But they don’t even know the order of the amounts and don’t want to know.

        It is even more difficult to explain this: (source Vedomosti) "According to Credit Suisse estimates, 10% of the richest Russians own 89% of the total wealth of all Russian households.
        The share of poor people in India and some African countries is higher than in Russia. For example, in Congo and Tanzania, more than 90% of the population belongs to the poorer half of humanity. "
        Or it’s still hard to explain: The cost of living is an indicator that should reflect the minimum amount of funds needed by citizens to meet the needs of housing, food, provision of non-food goods - clothing, shoes and other necessary things.
        Adygea Republic - 8966 rubles / month.
        Come on, explain that the first figures of 10% and 89% do not affect the NEXT penny in any way. reform (where is the money, Zin?). And as the average resident of Adygea should live, according to the state, for 9000 rubles. explain too. Or will people also not understand this?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 01
          -8
          “It’s even more difficult to explain this: (source Vedomosti)“ According to Credit Suisse estimates, 10% of the wealthiest Russians own 89% of the total wealth of all Russian households. ”Keyword“ Estimated. ”We are waiting for the official census - without any check-ups from foreign companies.
        2. Harry black doctor
          Harry black doctor 2 September 2018 15: 46
          +4
          It would also be nice to explain how single mothers can raise their children on a 'generous' allowance, how, with such a living wage, drugs cost 5-6 thousand each and why a deputy retires with a salary of 400 rubles as early as if he was a military serviceman at the nuclear test site in the Arctic Circle and his pension is at least eight times nine times higher than the subsistence level in Adygea
          1. Revival
            Revival 2 September 2018 17: 46
            +1
            Vadim237 will not answer this question for you. He will not notice your question "accidentally". You would have offered him more comfortable questions, otherwise somehow you pinned yourself into a corner, not humanely like that)))
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 September 2018 19: 43
              0
              I’ll answer - everyone needs money, then retire, upgrade the army, build trillions in the regions, build bridges, power plants, build roads, pay 5 trillion for social programs every year, etc., etc., there’s not enough money for everyone, they’re looking for a compromise, realizing perfectly that money from the air does not appear in the budget. I wish all single mothers to find husbands - it will be difficult for one, at least with any allowances. Let's cut 40000 officials and deputies with 400000 salaries and spend this money on raising the cost of living for the 20 million poor - but I think 800 rubles a month for each will not help them much.
              1. Dull
                Dull 3 September 2018 02: 25
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                I wish all single mothers to find husbands - it will be difficult for one, at least with any allowances. Let's cut 40000 officials and deputies with 400000 salaries and spend this money on raising the cost of living for the 20 million poor - but I think 800 rubles a month for each will not help them much.

                Thinking that they will help, and we will get rid of the "worms". hi
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 15
                  -2
                  From people like you-vryatli.
      2. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 15: 42
        0
        No money to pay people, yes! In terms of accounting, right! The question is why ??
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 16: 37
          -2
          Because some steal, the second do nothing, and the third in the drum.
          1. Leshy1975
            Leshy1975 2 September 2018 19: 34
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Because some steal, the second do nothing, and the third in the drum.

            Well, thank God, they finally indicated the GDP. He and his friends just fit the description. Who does what: someone on the drum, who doesn’t do anything, but who steals. Won Ulyukaev, even tired of it himself, he would have guessed to ask for a bribe from the GDP. Probably thought, here by inertia and got into a hole. And Chubais so precisely combines three in one. laughing
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 September 2018 19: 56
              -1
              This is me about local authorities, people and governors.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 14
      0
      In the stabilization fund and the national welfare fund, you need to have 15 trillion each, in the event of another global financial crisis, the collapse of oil prices and natural disasters, like the summer of 2010, you cannot pay pensions from them - an airbag and now oil and gas revenues, everything is higher 40 dollars per barrel, I replenish these funds.
      1. tatra
        tatra 2 September 2018 11: 24
        +10
        This is the result of Putin’s 18-year reign that there is no stable working economy, no stable revenues to the Russian budget, due to the work of the government and business.
        So the authorities will sit on the oil needle and add oil and gas revenues for a rainy day.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 36
          +1
          What does it mean no - and 17 trillion in the budget are taken from the air?
          1. tatra
            tatra 2 September 2018 12: 04
            +3
            NO, it means that those who own Russia since 1991 or take, but give nothing to the country and the people, or give, but take much more than they give, and Russia all these 27 years existed due to the results of the labor of Soviet communists and their supporters, export of raw materials, imports of production, science, education, the work of foreign firms, and the enemies of the communists ruined ALL branches of Russia with their highly paid "work".
            But EVERYTHING, both Soviet freebies and freebies from high world prices for oil and gas, and because of them, the accumulated for a "rainy day" ends, and then everything will only get worse for Russia and the Russian people, except, of course, the enemies of the Communists.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 2 September 2018 12: 19
              +8
              Quote: tatra
              ... Russia all these 27 years existed at the expense of the work of Soviet communists and their supporters ...

              Why are you blissful lol
              Russia these years Russia exists contrary to the actions of the top of the CPSU, mired in lies and betrayal, who ruled the USSR and ruined the once powerful state request
              Quote: tatra
              ... But EVERYTHING, both the Soviet freebie, and the freebie from high world oil and gas prices, and due to them, the accumulated for a "rainy day" ends, and then everything will only get worse for Russia and the Russian people, except, of course, enemies communists ...

              You read about a freebie on the Internet?
              Themselves with a "freebie" lived?
              What the hell accumulated for a "rainy day" ends, What are you about.
              The top Communists left the State Bank's vaults absolutely clean negative
              Do not spread the lie!
              1. tatra
                tatra 2 September 2018 12: 35
                -1
                Except for stupid malice, not a single honest and adequate refutation of my words. And I repeat once again for those who did not get it "both a freebie from high world prices for oil and gas, and AT THE EXPENSE of them accumulated for a" rainy day ".
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 2 September 2018 13: 16
                  +8
                  Quote: tatra
                  ... Except stupid malice ...

                  Rudeness is not a sign of having a mind yes
                  Quote: tatra
                  ... not a single honest and adequate refutation of my words ...

                  How can I refute or confirm a set of stamps?
                  Did you say something specific, with numbers and calculations?
                  Continuous slogans-You're not at a rally of the Communist Party negative
                  Quote: tatra
                  ... And I repeat it ONCE AGAIN for those who did not get it "both the freebie from the high world prices for oil and gas, and AT THE EXPENSE of them accumulated for a" rainy day "...

                  What are you talking about? wassat
                  That is, it didn’t reach me that a freebie from high world prices for oil and gas allowed Russia to save up for a rainy day, period.
                  And the Communist Party then what? Perhaps the Communists drilled wells, pumped oil and gas, sold it and put a deduction into the account of the State Bank of Russia? laughing
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 13: 00
                +4
                Quote: Andrey K
                The top Communists left the State Bank's vaults absolutely clean

                You have forgotten "Rutskoy's suitcases of dirt". His main incriminating evidence, he said, is the loss of several tons of gold, which was sent to Switzerland under Yeltsin, and part of it evaporated on the way. After the report to Yeltsin, leaving his office, Rutskoi heard him chattering on the phone: "Come to me, they dug shit on you." So the "gold of the KPSS" is another question. The Kroll agency did not find him, his report disappeared, and Rutskoy was kicked in the ass after his report on corruption. So the bins in the 92nd were far from empty, gold and precious stones were pushed in all directions.
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                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 21
                  -1
                  A lot of things were built under Putin and are now continuing to build. From the 90th to 18th, 46 hydroelectric power stations were built from the largest to the smallest.
                  1. The Siberian barber
                    The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 16: 42
                    -3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    A lot of things were built under Putin and are now continuing to build. From the 90th to 18th, 46 hydroelectric power stations were built from the largest to the smallest.

                    How many were destroyed / plundered / "privatized", please?)
                2. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 2 September 2018 15: 22
                  +5
                  Quote: kakvastam
                  ... Pretending to be a fool is a simple matter ....
                  ... I understand that you did not find the Soviet period, so for you and the stall - DneproGES, but have a conscience ...

                  You already decide, either continue to be rude to the elders, or appeal to conscience laughing
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 15: 29
                  +6
                  Pludurushny Gaidar gave 2,5 million to the Kroll agency in search of "party gold". Found. True, not from the CPSU, but from the subordinates of Gaidar and Yeltsin himself, i.e. at the top that was on the throne at that moment.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 14: 26
            +9
            Quote: Vadim237
            What does it mean no - and 17 trillion in the budget are taken from the air?

            The main income is oil and gas. Then the VAT goes, then everything else. The corporate income tax in the penultimate place does not reach half a trillion out of 13 (about 3-4%). This is for 16 years. Here you have your whole economy. In the USSR, payments from the income of enterprises accounted for 85-88% for the 25-30th year. That is, industry worked almost an order of magnitude better.
          3. Dull
            Dull 3 September 2018 02: 28
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            What does it mean no - and 17 trillion in the budget are taken from the air?

            Out of the ground, however. laughing
        2. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 13: 40
          -1
          Actually, 37 percent of the budget is from the oil industry, the rest is not oil and gas revenues
          1. Revival
            Revival 2 September 2018 14: 41
            +3
            37 percent!
            The global trend, which everyone cites as an example:
            Norway, if not mistaken 85%, Saudi Arabia seems to be under 70%.
            Where is the alignment with the global trend?
            Or are we equal only in raising the retirement age?
    3. Revival
      Revival 2 September 2018 13: 51
      0
      It just doesn’t happen!
      But, for example, as one of the measures
      There should be no billions of dollars in dividends from Rosneft Gazprom, Sberbank and TD
      Only officially and only on dividends to foreign shareholders of Sberbank for 17 years transferred 270 billion
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    5. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: Vadim237
      "The deputy proposes to consider the possibility of increasing the size of pensions without raising the retirement age" It will be interesting to hear what these sources are for increasing pensions: to withdraw a trillion from the oil industry, raise taxes for entrepreneurs, pay pensions from gold and foreign exchange reserves, 26 million employees and employers get out of the shadows - how to do it? - 10 trillion rubles is needed to pay 42 million for 20000 each within a year, there are options to reduce the number of officials by 60 percent and replace their functions with one window - within 6 years, this will lead to savings of more than 500 billion rubles every year, a negative side effect - more than a million unemployed will appear on the labor market, with the oil industry there is one and a half trillion, 26 million shadow workers have an amount of under 10 trillion in their hands, not subject to any taxes at all, this is about 2.5 trillion rubles not going to the budget, already 4 trillion it turns out, the remaining 6 trillion at the expense of what to take. Everything is not as simple as it seems at first glance.

      Your thesis regarding officials is controversial! That is, do you consider it more expedient to continue to maintain an army of parasites (in fact)? But, here, simple mathematics: their content will be much cheaper than their content, in the status of unemployed!))) Even if you wear "rose-colored glasses", considering that they have no "parallel business", which is practically nonsense))
      Let's be sincere!)
      And by the way, WHERE are the promised jobs ??)))
      Regarding the oil industry .. Here, it is even more controversial)) The package of really correct laws will decide everything: everyone will be happy)) of course, big business will not be happy (because super profits will fall), but there will be no "tattered pants" ))
      I repeat again: the issue of priorities and political will ..
      The government and the legislature themselves "rock the boat" on their own course. But, as always, it shifts "from a sore head to a healthy one."

      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 September 2018 19: 52
        +1
        "A package of really correct laws, everything will decide" - What kind of package is this with the correct laws - what is offered more specifically?
    6. militia2
      militia2 2 September 2018 23: 16
      +1
      Something similar about how difficult it is at first glance, I already met a couple of days ago on this site. Then he even tried to add, to make it easier, about 8 trillion. rub budgetary balances, and about others, on the surface lying money said ...
      But again, this topic suddenly arises - how difficult it is in life ... I can once again write - where to get the money, but after a couple of days you will again have to read about how difficult it is in life. Seeing the truth is not easy!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 19
        -2
        These 8 trillion so-called "leftovers" are involved in the stabilization fund.
    7. reservist
      reservist 3 September 2018 12: 57
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      10 trillion rubles are needed for 42 million to pay 20000 each during the year

      now 42 million receive 14000, i.e. 7 trillion spent on retirement per year
      it turns out that up to 10 trillion is missing 3 trillion

      Quote: Vadim237
      reduce the number of officials by 60 percent and replace their functions with one window - within 6 years, this will lead to savings of more than 500 billion rubles every year, a negative side effect - more than a million unemployed will appear on the labor market,

      and with an increase in retirement age by five years, how many unemployed will appear in the same market?

      Quote: Vadim237
      26 million shadow workers in their hands float the amount under 10 trillion, not taxed at all by any taxes, this is about 2.5 trillion rubles not received in the budget

      here is the solution to the problem
  18. On the Armor
    On the Armor 2 September 2018 11: 04
    +12
    Quote: Bull Terrier
    our children still then raise

    And with what fright? Maybe it's better to raise the economy?
    1. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 21
      -11
      Need to raise of course. But you still have to raise the retirement age with or without a good economy. I just don’t understand the logic. A bad economy - you need to retire earlier, a good economy can go later, so what?
      1. KERMET
        KERMET 2 September 2018 11: 42
        +3
        The country's economy is not only numbers, it is a whole mechanism. In the USSR, this mechanism worked because 99% of the citizens worked there and worked officially (by paying taxes, including on pensions). Now our rulers have built something in which half of the population (if not more) works only for themselves (i.e., by taxes) with this model of economy, the state will not pull a universal pension. Offering pension reforms, the government signs that it has built an inefficient economy
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 48
          -9
          So I did not say that it is effective) there is up to efficiency like the moon) for me everything is simple - I do not want shocks in the country. The authorities are not doing the right thing now, but judging by the fact that some people write here, the population has not gone too far from them either.
          1. Revival
            Revival 2 September 2018 13: 59
            +1
            1 power showed its inefficiency in the most important direction
            2 the authorities created the conditions under which it is almost impossible to change it for inefficiency by the procedures of democracy
            Your constructive suggestions?
            Wait 100 years and endure not offering
            1. Bull Terrier
              Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 14: 01
              -3
              Most important?) For me personally, this is not so. Accordingly, I do not agree with you in this context
              1. Revival
                Revival 2 September 2018 14: 45
                +2
                Easy escape from answering questions. Keep it up.
                That is, the economy in the state is not the most important problem?
                It is from the economy that the rest comes.
                What will you support the army, for example, if the economy in the state is not important.
                Although you may not answer, I realized that you simply avoided uncomfortable answers to the questions posed in this way.
      2. Revival
        Revival 2 September 2018 13: 54
        0
        A good economy has a high and comfortable standard of living for the people in the country, a poor decline in all of these indicators.
        Well, of course, if we take the goal of the existence of the state to improve the life of the people
      3. kakvastam
        kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 51
        +3
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        I just don’t understand the logic.

        This, in general, is the root of your problem.

        One thing is not clear - why did you register on the first school day, have all the old accounts ended? Or was it not clear before Mr. Putin’s speech that he would have to urgently intervene and put out the wave?
        You mess there ...
      4. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 15: 44
        0
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        Need to raise of course. But you still have to raise the retirement age with or without a good economy. I just don’t understand the logic. A bad economy - you need to retire earlier, a good economy can go later, so what?

        It's like about gas prices .. Don’t you?
      5. reservist
        reservist 3 September 2018 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        A bad economy - you need to retire earlier, a good economy can go later, so what?

        poor economy - few jobs, rising unemployment, low consumer demand
        growing economy - new jobs, low unemployment, growth in consumer demand

        it makes sense in a "bad economy" to remove "extra" labor from the market so as not to increase unemployment, if not right, then I hope economists will correct ...
  19. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 11: 08
    +15
    Quote: Bull Terrier
    well, canceling you now by some miracle this increase, our children still then raise

    In Russia, approximately 20 million men of working age work as security guards (that is, they essentially do not produce anything, but could work in industry), another 20 million people do not pay taxes at all.
    For reference - regardless of the form of government - capitalism / socialism, each industrial worker / collective farm worker / farmer working in the country - gives jobs to 12-14 people (traders, security guards, a bank employee, etc.). All these 12-14 people are fed from the results of labor alone. That is, they all depend on the labor of the worker / peasant. The task of the government to balance this chain is to prevent the development of parasitic sectors (instead of 12-14 people, it can swell up to 20-30).
    The second stone on the feet of the economy is debt. I’m citing data from the world - if at the beginning of the 20th century the structure of income distribution looked like this - 70/20/10 - 70% to an industrialist, 20% to intermediaries (trade / intermediaries, and only 10% of the bank’s income. Now it looks like this - 30-40 % to the industrialist, 20% to trade / intermediaries, 40-50% is already the bank itself, and it turns out that if the industrialist had enough of his income to restructure or launch new products, now he is already short of money and is forced to bow to the bank. were banks (moneylenders) able to increase their profits in this way? Yes, it’s very simple - lending each perazim in the chain. Thus, the bank will be able to gradually increase its revenue and up to 90%. Deflection in fact dominates the sector under a main))
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 30
      -5
      Well, at the expense of 20 million guards, you turned down, it’s really a million 2 maximum and the service sector brings the same money to the budget, but you could work in industry — what would they do, sit there and chase tea for days on end, without markets there are no productions - no demand, no supply. There will be demand, there will be plants.
      1. cost 75
        cost 75 2 September 2018 11: 50
        +6
        We have a huge domestic market, it is only occupied by imported products because there are no production facilities and people have no place to work, so they go to security guards and so on.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 12: 16
          -2
          But you know that part of this foreign product is produced in Russia with localization, and Russian producers send more than half of their products for export, as Izhmash example - 90% of their products are exported, since they will pay substantially more than domestically.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 2 September 2018 14: 37
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            as an example, Izhmash - 90% of its products are exported

            There is no such enterprise for a long time. The Izhmash Production Association was one of the largest in the USSR. It included about 12 enterprises. It produced a wide range of products, including cars and motorcycles IZH. After almost complete destruction and ruin there was only one Izhevsk Arms Plant, and that is due to the fact that he produced Kalashnikov assault rifles. He breathed well and was in debt. So now this arms factory has been combined with other dilapidated enterprises (what is left of them, as well as from Izhmash), we have got a prefabricated hodgepodge of various unfinished enterprises, moreover, from different cities. Modernized. They gave part to Rostec, part to oligarchs. The concern was named Kalashnikov. If the Kalashnikov concern is a success (and this is probably a success), then what was the success then when these enterprises were not ruined, and under the USSR they were 15-20 times larger than now?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 16: 31
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            +1
            Do you know that part of this foreign product is produced in Russia with localization,

            We know, as well as the fact that the profit from these products goes abroad.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 2 September 2018 19: 54
              -2
              From this they pay taxes to the budget, and abroad there is a net profit.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 20: 58
                +2
                And I write about net profit, and there is a lot of it, you better tell me why we have less than 4% of this budget go to the budget of corporate profit taxes if your production grows like mushrooms after rain.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 20
                  -3
                  That you ask 20 million tax evaders.
              2. Dashout
                Dashout 3 September 2018 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                From this they pay taxes to the budget, and abroad there is a net profit.

                Well, you give ... And what will you do production updates if there is no profit? You generally know that updating the item is a continuous process (should be). So what will you develop new products for if you have no profit ???
                Save these arguments for the Papuans ...
          3. Note 2
            Note 2 3 September 2018 07: 18
            +1
            Dear Vadim237 Kalashnikov sends his products for export because this is one of the opportunities for the company to survive and make a profit. In excess of the price of the products, these are more likely your imagination, because if they are bullied, then the countries will not buy the products and experience shows that they In 2016, the Kalashnikov Concern earned a little more than 2 billion rubles in profit, and this is mainly due to export. Well, our army does not need a large number of small arms, since about 15 million accumulated in the arms depots Kalashnikov assault rifles of all modifications. Therefore, Kalashnikov by reworking modernizes the 74 early releases that are in warehouses of the AK and change the handles, butts of the receiver cover on which Piccatini rails are mounted.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 24
              -2
              As a good example, gasoline - in Russia it costs 46 rubles - in Europe it is already 120 rubles for all manufacturers to export their products with their howl, which is what they do.
  20. steelmaker
    steelmaker 2 September 2018 11: 10
    +2
    Rallies are good, only the people do not need anything. They don’t want to think after these reforms. For 27 years they have been doing what they want with the people. Unfortunately, we have no opposition.
  21. Conductor
    Conductor 2 September 2018 11: 13
    +3
    By the way, Siluanov then explained why 500 yards for pension reform? Can create a ministry for pension reform?
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 54
      0
      Quote: Conductor
      Can create a ministry for pension reform?
      This is inevitable, although it will be called differently.
    2. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 18: 23
      0
      Quote: Conductor
      By the way, Siluanov then explained why 500 yards for pension reform? Can create a ministry for pension reform?

      ... and the agency, under the supervision of the ministry, while everyone just needs a supervisory board, preferably in each region))
      And there are not enough "ombudsmen" ... (what a word!)
  22. Darth gazgkull
    Darth gazgkull 2 September 2018 11: 13
    -21
    Scolded military reform? Scolded. Now what shut up? So it is here. After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick. Say I won’t live? Here you go! I don’t drink and don’t smoke, I don’t deal with shukherism. And all those who squeak about pension reform are loafers and sofas.
    PS I do not consider myself a "Putinist", although I do not see another candidate for the post of head of state. My political views are very, very right, and that's putting it mildly.
    1. tatra
      tatra 2 September 2018 11: 29
      +6
      Yes, you don’t have any political views. In the territory of the USSR all 100 years after the October Revolution there are only two categories of people — those who are for the social State for the people, and those who were after the destruction of the USSR before the October Revolution - for the State for a bunch of worthless parasites on the neck of a beggarly, disenfranchised people without social benefits.
      AND FOR the robbery of all citizens of Russia over 55 years old by this "reform" ONLY enemies of the USSR and socialism.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 September 2018 11: 40
        -1
        The tops have always been separate from the lower classes, in Tsarist Russia, in the USSR under the Bolsheviks, in the USSR under the CPSU, in Russia under the EP, this will always be the case in all countries.
        1. tatra
          tatra 2 September 2018 12: 09
          +3
          BUT Soviet power was orders of magnitude closer to the people than the richest pre-revolutionary and post-Soviet power. And only the Soviet government brought great benefits to the development of the country, and now the enemies of the Soviet government are throwing Russia back 100 or more years in terms of the quality of power, economy, and the System.
          We must not engage in stupid, irrational criticism, but choose what is best for the country and people.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 40
            -6
            "BUT Soviet power was orders of magnitude closer to the people" - Only in a beautiful fairy tale.
            1. militia2
              militia2 2 September 2018 23: 27
              +3
              No, it didn’t smell like a beautiful fairy tale, the war was, the Great Patriotic War, to destroy, and the Soviet government and people. Then only the place and won, and survived!
        2. Revival
          Revival 2 September 2018 14: 48
          +8
          Give examples of personal yachts and billions from the leadership of the USSR. Examples of such a show of separation from the masses of the people.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 September 2018 20: 03
            -2
            At least they had the opportunity to travel the world, unlike most citizens sitting behind the "fence" and rowing millions of rubles already in the 70s, the entire top of the CPSU was covered in chocolate.
        3. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 18: 25
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          The tops have always been separate from the lower classes, in Tsarist Russia, in the USSR under the Bolsheviks, in the USSR under the CPSU, in Russia under the EP, this will always be the case in all countries.

          Then, for the (top "!))
          Poor: they can't eat ...
      2. Bull Terrier
        Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 11: 51
        -8
        Enemies of what?) After 91 years you were in hibernation?))) Who is worthless parasites? Those who earn more than you?) And the main question is who are they?
        1. Revival
          Revival 2 September 2018 14: 04
          0
          Here deputies earn more than me, let's justify them earning more
          1. Bull Terrier
            Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 14: 07
            -6
            What for? Why did you decide that I care about this?) I don’t know, and I don’t want to know what their salaries are. I only care about mine.
            1. Revival
              Revival 2 September 2018 14: 51
              +5
              For the second time, you avoid answering the questions in this discussion by the method "it does not bother me, I only care about me". The question is why you then write comments under this article at all, here is not your personal life is discussed initially. Or do you just troll classically?
        2. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 16: 02
          +3
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          Enemies of what?) After 91 years you were in hibernation?))) Who is worthless parasites? Those who earn more than you?) And the main question is who are they?

          laughing
          I read somewhere that you, personally, are all right) ... I have it too)))
          The people are grandmothers, grandfathers who need medical care (conditionally free), children whose parents are simple hard workers, and who need to study (conditionally free) ordinary people who travel by metro / buses, trams, or stupidly on foot, or who need to pour gasoline into cars that have children. The garden is "thickened", and "they are ill again", and English, at school has become "more expensive" for a tutor, mathematics, physics ..
          Housing and communal services ... And shit at the entrance .. And milk, again, has risen in price, and salary is delayed, and the children need to be fed, and what kind of "milk" is that? ..
          And all this for 20-30k. Something like this..))
          We are silent, modestly about the village, for everything (almost) was left there, completely: no schools or a beat ...
          We are being crushed "into atoms"
          "my hut is on the edge, I don't know anything" (c)
          People have an absolutely simple request for justice! They are not interested in accounting !!
    2. Azim77
      Azim77 2 September 2018 11: 36
      -5
      Slowly, but life expectancy is increasing. And raising the retirement age is a global trend. Therefore, the problem is not that the retirement age is rising, for many it is even a blessing. Remember the old robbers. The problem is that there is little work for people over 60 years, young people would be employed. So the concern arises - to remain without means of living. Perhaps a compromise would be better: after 60 years and until the new retirement age, so much% of the total pension is paid there (50% for example). Who works gets them too. And who does not work, is content and waits until the retirement age with what is.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 September 2018 12: 11
        +5
        Poland has reduced the retirement age. In China, they are going to reduce.
        "We'll go the other way." ©
        1. Azim77
          Azim77 2 September 2018 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: 16112014nk

          Poland has reduced the retirement age. In China, they are going to reduce.
          "We'll go the other way." ©


          In Poland, reduced to the level that involves pension reform in the Russian Federation.

          In China (according to the 2016 year), only 16,7 percent of citizens are over 60 years old. In Russia, the number of pensioners is approximately 44 million people, that is, approximately 31 percent of the population, which is twice the Chinese level.

          Official news agency China News Service, March 2018 [media = http: //www.ecns.cn/cns-wire/2018/03-13/295606.shtml]: "Tang Tao, Vice Minister of Labor resources and social security, said in a panel discussion on Monday that raising the retirement age above sixty is a global trend <...> Tan said that in the long term, the retirement age should be raised due to concerns about pension funds and the allocation of human resources. " ...


          Official website of the State Council of the People's Republic of China (reprinted from the official China Daily), 2016: “China will gradually raise the official retirement age in order to combat the effects of an aging population. On February 2022, Minister of Labor and Social Security Yin Weimin said in a press release. conference that the current pension system is "out of date" <…> Jin Weigang, a researcher at the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, told the China News Service that the pension reform plan is likely to be implemented in XNUMX, after a five-year transition period ".
      2. tatra
        tatra 2 September 2018 12: 12
        +4
        Yes, all this "increase in life expectancy" is another manipulation of consciousness. This is due to infant mortality; this does not apply to the younger and older generation.
      3. reservist
        reservist 3 September 2018 15: 10
        0
        There probably can be a lot of compromise solutions to come up with, just whether these compromise decisions are fair, when the USSR worked, it seems, they did not pay pensions at all ...
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 13: 11
      +5
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick.

      And no one is going to. The question is, in what place will you work.
    4. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 2 September 2018 14: 13
      +3
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick.

      the conversation is not about you, but the social layer of society
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      And all those who squeak about pension reform are loafers and sofas.

      what may be most feasible for you may turn out to be unbearable, first live to 60 and then build plans fellow
    5. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 14: 58
      +1
      Well guys, well, rummage through the bins - it’s worthless to start new records for each problem!
      You, of course, can be seen both in terms of vocabulary and argumentation, but at least it will be more decent.
    6. Dull
      Dull 3 September 2018 02: 37
      +1
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      Scolded military reform? Scolded. Now what shut up? So it is here. After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick. Say I won’t live? Here you go! I don’t drink and don’t smoke, I don’t deal with shukherism. And all those who squeak about pension reform are loafers and sofas.

      Will you refuse the amount you earned 20000 rubles of the bonus to the salary, in other words? You can continue to work and retired, what is the problem? Who wants to and now retired. The question is what they want to steal from us our earned money and not give to anyone, except 10-12% of those who survived, and then, in the amount of less than half of the stolen. fool hi
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  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 September 2018 11: 25
    -2
    I know that now I will cause an avalanche of minuses, but should there be common sense?
    Let's hold a referendum - to each pensioner - a pension of 50 thousand. And retire at thirty! What do you think will be the result?
    Will we come up with an alternative to increasing the number of employees? Can we call "Gaster"? How else can you "unhook" the pension fund from the budget?
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 11: 42
      +17
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I know that now I will cause an avalanche of minuses, but should there be common sense?
      Let's hold a referendum - to each pensioner - a pension of 50 thousand. And retire at thirty! What do you think will be the result?
      Will we come up with an alternative to increasing the number of employees? Can we call "Gaster"? How else can you "unhook" the pension fund from the budget?

      Probably, you inaccurately understand the essence of all discontent)
      An increase in the burden on the population is taking place against the background of the undisguised enrichment of a small group of people who seized power and resources in the country. Which does not want to bear the burden of the crisis (as they say), along with the rest, multiple less well-off
      Not just like that, because we hear sarcasm about the return of serfdom
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 45
        -2
        I am enriching myself, using all market opportunities - but I am not power. And fairy tales about serfdom, you invent mainly.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 16: 48
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          I am enriching myself, using all market opportunities - but I am not power. And fairy tales about serfdom, you invent mainly.

          Well, you must admit that NOT EVERYONE understands the rules of the "game" in the market! Someone should cook steel! And this person should not "soar" stock quotes))) but nevertheless, this person puts his feasible work into the "common piggy bank" no less than yours!
          And about the "right" ... Note that the state machine, imposing duties on the population, "shakes off" duties, as a suzerain, preferring, stupidly "commission", no?
          I can debate on this subject while there is time))
        2. Dull
          Dull 3 September 2018 02: 48
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          I am enriching myself, using all market opportunities - but I'm not power

          As far as I understand, you welcome an increase in unemployment and a decrease in wages, because this will reduce your costs. Slavery or serfdom to you in general, as a Gift of God, tk. for a bowl of gruel the slaves will plow and not "speak". The super profit is huge, the slaves plow for 20 hours a day, and if they die, then you can take others for a bowl of gruel. Not life, but raspberries! To be silent now means to doom yourself to great torment in the future. The torturer will never stop torturing if he sees his impunity and permissiveness. The bastard must be hit in the "snout" immediately and decisively. Good must be with fists! hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 34
            -2
            I didn’t lower salaries and I won’t - the more prosperous and fewer poor in the country, the better for the economy and the social situation, what about unemployment, what did you think that it will grow, I’m not aware that we have a lot of loafers same.
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 15: 00
      -2
      First of all, it is necessary to forbid all Forbes to publish data on the number of dollar billionaires, then everything will work out right away.
      And somehow it’s not comme il faut ...
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 16: 55
        -1
        Quote: kakvastam
        First of all, it is necessary to forbid all Forbes to publish data on the number of dollar billionaires, then everything will work out right away.
        And somehow it’s not comme il faut ...

        People, will it become better to live?
        The fear of an uncertain future will go away, now for yourself and for the children ???))))
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 2 September 2018 17: 07
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      must be common sense?
      Let's hold a referendum - to each pensioner - a pension of 50 thousand. And retire at thirty! What do you think will be the result?

      For the best effect, you had to offer an option - to each pensioner for a billion!
      A referendum as a source of supreme state power is held only on the most acute, significant, sensitive issues. The question of whether or not to be a pension for old people is just that. Determine the size of the pension - no one suggested! It was enough to leave everything as it is.
      You just stupidly troll the topic of a referendum, trying to ridicule. Tell me, why then, in general, such an opportunity as a popular referendum was included in the constitution, if, in your opinion, there is no common sense?
    4. reservist
      reservist 3 September 2018 15: 22
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Will we come up with an alternative to increasing the number of employees?

      for starters - the abolition of regressive social (including pension) taxes
  25. samarin1969
    samarin1969 2 September 2018 11: 26
    0
    Controlled steam release. Not a single political force can be seen that has any relation to the people. In what year the statesmen were brought under "zero" - one can argue, but now they really do not exist. Since "professional politicians" are at rallies, there is nothing to do there.
  26. Sxron
    Sxron 2 September 2018 11: 28
    -9
    Today, rallies that are announced by the organizers as actions against the announced pension reform will be held in the country

    Well, in principle, everything is according to the template .. Russia (the Russian people) is in mourning after the murder of the head of the DPR Zakharchenko and then these ghouls got out hoping for a repetition of the turmoil, etc. Volodya, you understand why all this and your "maybe carry it!" ?
    1. tatra
      tatra 2 September 2018 12: 15
      0
      And how did they kill Zakharchenko in time?
      1. Sxron
        Sxron 2 September 2018 12: 41
        -6
        Quote: tatra
        And how did they kill Zakharchenko in time?

        Very on time, showing all the Russians who they really are .. Tomorrow they will begin to bomb Syria ..!
        Again we’ll bury ourselves (the people of Russia) and we will bury ..
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 2 September 2018 12: 53
        +11
        Quote: tatra
        ... And how did they kill Zakharchenko in time? ...

        Maybe calm down already, why do you arrange your dances on the bones!
        Where is the dead Zakharchenko and what does the Communist Party?
        Go to church, maybe the priest will forgive you your sins.
        1. Monos
          Monos 2 September 2018 15: 34
          +3
          Quote: Andrey K
          Go to church, maybe the priest will forgive you your sins.

          Good day, Andrey! hi
          Well you gave! Send the Bolshevik-Trotskyist to church! lol She will arrange a meeting there and receive a cross on her forehead. They must immediately be sent to Kashchenko!
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 2 September 2018 17: 49
            +4
            Quote: Monos
            ... Well, you gave! Send the Bolshevik-Trotskyist to church! lol She will arrange a meeting there and receive a cross on her forehead. They must be sent immediately to Kashchenko! ...

            Victor, welcome hi
            With that intention, he advised that not a single priest in his monastery would allow living under someone else’s charter lol
            In an instant, the censer will direct the true path laughing
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 15: 01
      +3
      Do you think it was specifically eliminated to divert attention from an unsuccessful performance?
      I doubt it, with all due respect.
  27. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 11: 33
    +6
    .. now all the "stones" will fly at the type of opposition and "not a reasonable people" that rock the boat))
    I’m wondering: what feat will VVP accomplish to restore confidence in itself after the recent “feat”?
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 15: 03
      +1
      This trust did not rest against him.
      The main thing is that there is no threat from the people, which means there will be even more reforms, "good and different."
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 47
      -6
      It will increase Russia's GDP by 60% until 2024.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 16: 57
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        It will increase Russia's GDP by 60% until 2024.

        Where does he get that "magnifying glass" ???
        Is that Chubais will bring ....))))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 20: 13
          0
          Well, if it continues to increase every year, as it is now by 6–8 trillion, then 40–50 percent will increase and Russia's GDP in the 24th will amount to 140–150 trillion rubles.
          1. The Siberian barber
            The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 23: 18
            -2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Well, if it continues to increase every year, as it is now by 6–8 trillion, then 40–50 percent will increase and Russia's GDP in the 24th will amount to 140–150 trillion rubles.

            Only, there is a small nuance: sk. will cost this money, at that time) because, "volatility", as our "sovereign" Central Bank broadcasts ....)))
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 3 September 2018 09: 36
              -1
              We have prices in rubles - and not in euros or dollars, switch to rubles in the calculation of the Russian economy now.
  28. Slinqshot
    Slinqshot 2 September 2018 11: 36
    +5
    “Once every few years, deciding which member of the ruling class will suppress, crush the people in parliament is the real essence of bourgeois parliamentarism, not only in parliamentary-constitutional monarchies, but also in the most democratic republics.”
    V.I. Lenin, PSS, vol. 33, p. 46.
  29. Million
    Million 2 September 2018 11: 53
    0
    Conditional opposition, fed by the Kremlin
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 12: 46
      -3
      Quote: Million
      Conditional opposition, fed by the Kremlin

      And where does not lure live? Do not tell me the address ..)))
      1. Million
        Million 2 September 2018 13: 23
        +1
        we don’t have one
  30. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 12: 05
    +2
    Quote: kos 75
    We have a huge domestic market, it is only occupied by imported products because there are no production facilities and people have no where to work

    Light industry is completely dead here, that is, the industry where 90% of all women in the USSR worked.
    Where are our women working now? Sellers in the market and in the service sector - God forbid, not intimate.
    It is necessary to completely revive light industry from scratch.
    I recall how the revival of industry took place under Stalin.
    First and foremost, GOST was created.
    Then higher education institutions were created, then thousands of factories began to be built, then people who graduated from high schools get engineers to the newly built factory - the engineer knows what to do there - he is specially trained for this. This is the correct chain of development.
    And since 1925 we have seen wild growth, industries - 25% !!!! GDP per year. But this indicator of GDP became possible only with the EMERGENCY economy - the notorious workdays.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2018 12: 18
      -10
      "We have completely dead light industry" - you ask from the beginning whether it is so dead, in fact, as they say about it. https://ria.ru/legprom/20170823/1500967997.html
      1. tatra
        tatra 2 September 2018 12: 38
        +2
        We can see how "lively" the light industry, and the rest of the industry, is from the fact that everything is inundated only with imports.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 13: 46
          -2
          So who is stopping doing what will be better than importing?
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 2 September 2018 12: 59
        +1
        Looking from which side to look: if you compare with the industry of the Soviet Union, then yes, but if you remember how everything was in the 90s, then there is progress
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 13: 13
        +6
        Quote: Vadim237
        "We have completely dead light industry" - you ask from the beginning whether it is so dead, in fact, as they say about it. https://ria.ru/legprom/20170823/1500967997.html

        What is there to be interested in, there are only Russian socks on me.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 September 2018 15: 49
          -2
          And I'm wearing a Russian shirt.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 18: 10
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And I'm wearing a Russian shirt.

            I don’t know, he deliberately looked at all his T-shirts, all the inscriptions were imported. winked
  31. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 September 2018 12: 07
    +5
    GD is a trash bin. On September 9, EdRosa's candidates all go to the "elections" as self-nominated candidates. This should be borne in mind for correct voting. Not a single voice to the trash bucket!
    1. AUL
      AUL 2 September 2018 13: 35
      +3
      Just go find out which party! They don’t write on banners. Deputies do not meet with voters (at least with us), you won’t directly ask. Who nominated them by deputies is unknown. If you come to the station, there is a list of candidates about whom I had never heard before. On the portraits, everyone has thick faces, and their eyes are so honest and kind! Who to vote for? By poking, maybe you’re lucky not to run into Edros? Yes, the election campaign has been carefully prepared!
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 2 September 2018 14: 31
        +6
        Quote: AUL
        Just go find out which party!

        Who more on TV show whom local administrations meet with bread and salt, meeting rooms with voters are given - that’s from edra
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 14: 46
          +7
          Quote: Karabin
          Who more on TV show whom local administrations meet with bread and salt

          No one is shown, no one is meeting anyone. The day before yesterday, they arranged a concert under the window, sang songs, but they called for the elections. About the candidates - not a word. It is necessary to search in tyrnete. During a cursory examination of a dozen, two convicted persons came across. That I have not watched the other fifty.
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 September 2018 12: 16
    +3
    Quote: lucul
    All these 12-14 people are fed from the results of labor alone.

    Well, maybe not 14, but seven.

    Or maybe 10. But something does exactly one! yes
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 2 September 2018 13: 07
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Quote: lucul
      All these 12-14 people are fed from the results of labor alone.

      Well, maybe not 14, but seven.

      Or maybe 10. But something does exactly one! yes

      People have long said: "one with a shelf, and seven with a spoon"
      1. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 2 September 2018 14: 15
        +5
        Quote: vladcub
        one with a shelf

        with bipod, plow, plow fellow
    2. Bull Terrier
      Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 13: 48
      -4
      This picture is nonsense and nonsense! There is no such thing in reality. It takes a long time to write, but in short, those who are supposedly around one worker in their place are here and certainly not so many per worker.
      1. Karenius
        Karenius 2 September 2018 14: 20
        +2
        Quote: Bull Terrier
        This picture is nonsense and nonsense! There is no such thing in reality. It takes a long time to write, but in short, those who are supposedly around one worker in their place are here and certainly not so many per worker.

        I remember 40 years ago, in Izvestia, under the heading "Amazing Stories," it was told about this ... there they voiced a lot of bosses against one with a shovel who was repairing the gap.

        This and "there" can be seen ... A friend told me ... A mother-in-law in the states in the pool fell off several tiles ... They called the repair office. The manager came ... Then the architect ... Then the foreman ... Then only a couple of workers .... Well, a week later the invoice was sent for payment .... 7t. bucks.
        1. Bull Terrier
          Bull Terrier 2 September 2018 14: 22
          -2
          Everyone has done his job! The company is clearly not 20 architects and 40 foremen!
        2. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: Karenius
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          This picture is nonsense and nonsense! There is no such thing in reality. It takes a long time to write, but in short, those who are supposedly around one worker in their place are here and certainly not so many per worker.

          I remember 40 years ago, in Izvestia, under the heading "Amazing Stories," it was told about this ... there they voiced a lot of bosses against one with a shovel who was repairing the gap.

          This and "there" can be seen ... A friend told me ... A mother-in-law in the states in the pool fell off several tiles ... They called the repair office. The manager came ... Then the architect ... Then the foreman ... Then only a couple of workers .... Well, a week later the invoice was sent for payment .... 7t. bucks.

          Your acquaintance was probably new to state and fin life. Relations, between people)))) everything is much simpler and cheaper!)))
  33. Harry black doctor
    Harry black doctor 2 September 2018 12: 17
    +1
    There is a desire to fulfill his civic duty and go to the polls, but there is no one to vote for IN PRINCIPLE ... the opposition - feeding the EP, EP - without comment, well, where to go to the citizen ... Choose or ignore this is the question
    1. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 15: 06
      +5
      Do not ignore in any case!
      Vote at least for the cuckoo on the tree, the main thing is that the authorities receive feedback.
      Your failure to appear will not be any signal, which means it will prove to be support.
      1. Harry black doctor
        Harry black doctor 2 September 2018 15: 54
        0
        Cuckoos, horses-ksyushadi .. this is the problem, it may come that "EBN and the guys" seem like a kindergarten ... unless the whole world come and spoil the newsletters in protest
      2. Citizen 90
        Citizen 90 3 September 2018 07: 49
        -1
        to sniff at them signals. A ballot is easier to replace than to prove to people who did not go to the polls that they went. By the way, the choice must be anonymous and it is very difficult to make it voiced. But it’s quite possible to make the appearance of voice by name in the media - everything will fall into place immediately.
  34. lucul
    lucul 2 September 2018 12: 26
    +10
    Quote: 16112014nk
    Or maybe 10. But something does exactly one!

    Our delegation went to Belarus to exchange experience in the Czech Republic; yes, the Czech Republic retained the state collective farm on their collective farm. So for 300 collective farm workers - there were only 4 ITRovets))
    1. Sxron
      Sxron 2 September 2018 12: 45
      -4
      Quote: lucul
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Or maybe 10. But something does exactly one!

      Our delegation went to Belarus to exchange experience in the Czech Republic; yes, the Czech Republic retained the state collective farm on their collective farm. So for 300 collective farm workers - there were only 4 ITRovets))

      Here is another, waiting for Maidan in Belarus ..)))
      Everything will begin soon .. hi
      1. Revival
        Revival 2 September 2018 14: 11
        +2
        And what was your comment.
        Is there anything to be said on the merits?
        Apparently not.
    2. kakvastam
      kakvastam 2 September 2018 15: 07
      -1
      Quote: lucul
      So, for 300 collective farm workers - there were only 4 ITR workers

      Savages!
      It should be the other way around.
  35. vladcub
    vladcub 2 September 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Quote: Tersky
    Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
    Why can’t I decide on whom to vote for? Everyone has discredited themselves, one thing I know is not for EP, but for whom?

    The main thing is not to forget one indisputable truth-communism with free housing, benefits, heating and electricity was built by those who did not have anything. And the Union was destroyed by those who already had it all.

    No arguing against facts
  36. Nychego
    Nychego 2 September 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Greed is the beloved child of stupidity.
    Now those who pump out from the Russians everything that can, as if the last days of the world are coming, do not think about the prospects, just hoping that everything will work out AGAIN, AGAIN forgotten. Partly they are right, but only partly.
  37. vladcub
    vladcub 2 September 2018 13: 05
    0
    Quote: 16112014nk
    GD is a trash bin. On September 9, EdRosa's candidates all go to the "elections" as self-nominated candidates. This should be borne in mind for correct voting. Not a single voice to the trash bucket!

    We will not vote for EP, but young, and are all the people of our generation so tuned.
    For example, we have portraits of a young man from United Russia all around, and today the Zhirinovites were painted, and the Communists. Where are the posters of the communists, where is their agitation?
  38. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 2 September 2018 13: 06
    -2
    everything suits me personally, in 2047 I will have a pension of 47000 rubles, and taking into account inflation and increases, that’s all 60000 rubles
    * This is with an average salary in 2047 of 40000 rubles in Moscow
    1. 3vs
      3vs 2 September 2018 15: 57
      +3
      It remains only to survive and 2047 years ...
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 3 September 2018 08: 49
        -2
        I understand your disadvantages because it’s I who will receive such a pension (!) And you will never receive Russian citizenship (!).
    2. Dull
      Dull 3 September 2018 02: 56
      +2
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      I am personally happy with everything, in 2047 I will have a pension of 47000 rubles, and taking into account inflation and increases, that's all 60000 rubles

      The dollar will be 120000 rubles. Go for a walk! laughing
  39. Rimlianin
    Rimlianin 2 September 2018 13: 16
    +12
    It is funny and bitter when they say about the opposition that it is supposedly toothless, useless and does not solve anything. This is actually the case, but let's name the reasons for this. After all, the opposition is not to blame for its powerlessness. Who made the majority in the Duma sit Edrosovtsy, whose real rating is less than anti-rating? Who introduced the municipal filter? Why do not representatives of the authorities go to debate in our country, why do they not go on vacation during the election campaign period? Why do we have brazenly pouring dirt on opposition candidates on our country's main channels and preventing them from refuting the lie? And dozens more questions you can ask and think about the answers. Instead of mocking the opposition.
    1. Kokarev Mikhail
      Kokarev Mikhail 3 September 2018 11: 36
      -2
      Give a handkerchief? Wipe the tears !!!
  40. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes 2 September 2018 14: 48
    +2
    The revolution is ripening!
    I wonder how much more people can endure this rotten through power.
    And when patience ends, what people in a state of effect will do with this power, and those who support it.
    We are waiting for a great event, stocking up on popcorn, seeds and betting on how, whom and when this time they will be dispossessed of what awaits national traitors, thieves-in-law oligarchs, liberals and pseudo-democrats.
    Some of them are making poles with a rope (without soap), and who will be shot immediately, and who will rot in the camps and uranium mines.
    1. Digital error
      Digital error 2 September 2018 15: 19
      +3
      Do you hope to eat popcorn and seeds while staying away?
      1. mr.fafes
        mr.fafes 2 September 2018 18: 12
        +2
        Why, aside, I will participate with pleasure.
        But until it started, you can gnaw on seeds.
        Until the time has come, but the axes are already sharpening.
    2. 123456789
      123456789 2 September 2018 17: 49
      -1
      History is not a teacher, but a supervisor: she does not teach anything, but only punishes her for not knowing the lessons.

      KGB can build nothing but the Gulag
      1. mr.fafes
        mr.fafes 2 September 2018 18: 18
        0
        KGB is already in history! The FSB will go there too! The gulag will be for national traitors, thieves-oligarchs, liberals and pseudo-democrats.
        The people are no longer that serf and poorly educated that was! If there is a new revolution, it will no longer be left or right, it will sweep away everyone. And the neutral will not spare!
        1. 123456789
          123456789 2 September 2018 19: 46
          -2
          Quote: mr.fafes
          The people are no longer that serf and poorly educated that was! If there is a new revolution, it will no longer be left or right, it will sweep away everyone. And the neutral will not spare!

          And we are not left and not right, because we are boots laughing
        2. 123456789
          123456789 2 September 2018 19: 58
          -2
          Quote: mr.fafes
          KGB is already in history! The FSB will go there too! The gulag will be ...

          there are no former laughing
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 September 2018 21: 19
        +4
        Quote: 123456789
        KGB can build nothing but the Gulag

        Can. Under the patronage of the NKVD, Makarenko built a factory for the production of FEDs.
        1. 123456789
          123456789 3 September 2018 06: 52
          -3
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: 123456789
          KGB can build nothing but the Gulag

          Can. Under the patronage of the NKVD, Makarenko built a factory for the production of FEDs.

          Using the slave labor of children? This only confirms the thesis:
          The KGB cannot build anything but the Gulag!
  41. Digital error
    Digital error 2 September 2018 15: 16
    +10
    The Constitution of the Russian Federation proclaimed social state. A person who has taken the path of systematic rejection of social guarantees has no moral right to be a Guarantor, and his support party has no moral right to include the word "United" in its name.
  42. 3vs
    3vs 2 September 2018 15: 56
    +1
    Record broadcast rallies in Moscow.
    https://youtu.be/H8jew6FyGk8
    1. mr.fafes
      mr.fafes 2 September 2018 18: 21
      +1
      3vs Today, 15:56
  43. kutuz
    kutuz 2 September 2018 17: 28
    0
    Is there an opposition in Russia? What a news.
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  45. MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 2 September 2018 17: 54
    +8
    And who really, besides the communists, said something against it, at least started doing something? Who! LDPR, as usual a lot of foam and zilch! The SR does not protrude! How do you then imagine changing something? There is no need for a referendum, we will not go to the rally, we will not vote, there is no one for us, we will play on the internet and they will hear us and get scared! Ha, ha, ha. Blessed is he who believes. They made it clear to you - no one needs the people, they wanted to spit on us! Let's not take to the streets, consider it out! I just want to say "Get up, get up, working people!" What other options are there? I would like to know?!
  46. Darth gazgkull
    Darth gazgkull 2 September 2018 18: 42
    -3
    Quote: Darth Gazgkull
    Scolded military reform? Scolded. Now what shut up? So it is here. After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick. Say I won’t live? Here you go! I don’t drink and don’t smoke, I don’t deal with shukherism. And all those who squeak about pension reform are loafers and sofas.
    PS I do not consider myself a "Putinist", although I do not see another candidate for the post of head of state. My political views are very, very right, and that's putting it mildly.


    Wow, how many minuses! wassat tongue Tafai ischo! wassat I reeled your pipe minus!
    And about political views - why should I be shy! I am a Russian far-right nationalist! How do you like that?
    Wait again "vrossiivsёploho" will run over. Welkam, so to speak, into Chaos! You belong there, with Khorne and Slaanesh at your side! laughing
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 19: 12
      +2
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      Quote: Darth Gazgkull
      Scolded military reform? Scolded. Now what shut up? So it is here. After 60, I was not going to sit at home and slander pears with a dick. Say I won’t live? Here you go! I don’t drink and don’t smoke, I don’t deal with shukherism. And all those who squeak about pension reform are loafers and sofas.
      PS I do not consider myself a "Putinist", although I do not see another candidate for the post of head of state. My political views are very, very right, and that's putting it mildly.


      Wow, how many minuses! wassat tongue Tafai ischo! wassat I reeled your pipe minus!
      And about political views - why should I be shy! I am a Russian far-right nationalist! How do you like that?
      Wait again "vrossiivsёploho" will run over. Welkam, so to speak, into Chaos! You belong there, with Khorne and Slaanesh at your side! laughing

      A question for the ultra-right nationalist: Tajiks, Armenians, etc. do not "strain"))) "come in large numbers, here, you know" ...)))
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 September 2018 20: 26
      -2
      An alternative opinion is not welcome here, fairy tales are welcome here, that everyone lives poorly because only the government and the oligarchs - how without them, have a comprehensive guilt in all problems - each individually.
      1. The Siberian barber
        The Siberian barber 2 September 2018 20: 46
        +1
        Well, why are you "twisting"?))
        "people" do not whine!))
        And as for the government, do you think it should not be held responsible? If so, which one do you think?))
        And about Naziolism: is this buzzing ??))
        I, personally, in my entire life, have not encountered this phenomenon))
        That's interesting to read "natsianolist")))
      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 24
        +3
        Most likely, financing from the Communist Party and Grudinin’s structures passed before the elections, and here’s the “Light Elves” Communist Party.
  47. tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 September 2018 19: 43
    +3
    Or maybe it’s still worth calculating the income of the gentlemen, otherwise there’s no mur mur. There is money for their joy. When Siluanov began to shout that Armata and the military-industrial complex generally rob pensioners. Now Almaty is no longer there, and Siluanov is robbing pensioners of this reform. Wow. What's next.
  48. Technician72
    Technician72 2 September 2018 20: 38
    0
    Monos,
    Well, as it were, with evidence.
  49. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 2 September 2018 23: 22
    +3
    tatra,
    Somewhere "there were honest communists" led by you, when did the USSR collapse? They sat in their hole and didn’t flutter, but then they were brave.
    1. Dull
      Dull 3 September 2018 02: 59
      +1
      Quote: Okolotochny
      Somewhere "there were honest communists" led by you, when did the USSR collapse? They sat in their hole and didn’t flutter, but then they were brave.

      No, they shared the country's heritage together with the "even" Komsomol members.
    2. tatra
      tatra 3 September 2018 07: 14
      0
      Here, the cowardly nature of the enemies of the Communists, ALWAYS blaming others for the responsibility and responsibility for what you yourself have done. You captured the USSR, divided it among you, imposed on your country and people your anti-Soviet power, ONLY a profitable System for you, your poor raw-material economy, your ideology-anti-Soviet / Russophobia, and the Soviet Communists cowardly blamed for all this.
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  50. kig
    kig 3 September 2018 02: 33
    0
    The opposition is looking in the wrong direction, it is necessary to demonstrate against VAT. Its increase will instantly affect the quality of life.