Do not like F-22 and F-35? Lockheed Martin offers a hybrid

The company Lockheed Martin, which developed the American aircraft of the fifth generation F-22 and F-35, offered the US Air Force a new version of the fifth-generation multipurpose fighter F-22 Raptor, reports Defense One portal.

According to the information available to the publication, the company has developed a "hybrid version" of the fighter, in which it combined some of the characteristics of the F-22 and F-35. The proposed US military version of the fighter created on the basis of the F-22 "Raptor", has on-board electronics F-35, and will undergo a number of design changes associated with the technology "stealth". Details of this project are not given. Lockheed Martin, a similar hybrid of F-22 and F-35 fighter jets, is trying to sell Japan a fifth-generation domestic aircraft in Japan.

As reported, Lockheed Martin intends to offer the US Air Force and its allies several variants of the aircraft in order to “understand how to modernize the aircraft to counter threats from Russia and China in the next 10 years.”

The F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II are Lockheed Martin’s fifth generation American production aircraft. Both aircraft are regularly criticized for their high cost and various malfunctions.

Comments

[Cabbage]

And you still have to buy, gentlemen ..! There is Israeli filling .., and these will force everyone to buy!

[For example]

Quote: Koal

There is Israeli filling .., and these will force everyone to buy!

I mean the pilots are Jews?

[gurta]

Quote: Koal

Pilots are Jews, no longer fly beyond the borders of Israel.

And only Meehan on the couch scribbling a machine gunner.

[Prisoner]

And they are for sale ?! What technology has come to.

[2329 Carpenter]

And us too, Meehan? [Quote] [/ quote]

[faradien]

No, these adversaries are already sitting right in Lockheed! Well this must be invented, i.e. F-22 / F-35 are no longer suitable for fighting Russia. But how were they developed then, for what? We have received a great honor, we need a separate plane to fight us! That's a cut - all cuts are cut! Only the "French" are capable of this ... Well, but seriously, keep "expensive" mattresses! If to sell for the second time already developed, then no many billions of dollars in budgets will not be enough. You are going the right way, tovarischi

[Kurare]

The third type of aircraft from Lockheed? In principle, proof that, especially, the F-35 program, to put it mildly, "failed." Crossing Porsche with Zaporozhets = Zaporshivets.

[marshes]

Quote: Kurare

Cross Porsche with Zaporozhets = Zaporshivets.

Well, if you stick the 6 boxer, it will surprise you "from a traffic light." And such craftsmen did, read on Drive.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Kurare

The third type of aircraft from Lockheed?

New "saw". But, frankly, it smacks of stuffing, IMHO.

[Nikolai]

Quote: bouncyhunter

New "saw". But honestly smacks of stuffing , IMHO.

There is ...

to "understand how to upgrade an aircraft to withstand threats from Russia and China in the next 10 years"

The terms are clearly some kind of strange and fabulous and it is not clear in the next 10 years to counter threats or modernize in the next 10 years? It seems like a need to blurt out, and then we'll see ... To cram the inside of f35 into f22 you need to remake the inside of f22 and the f22 of inside ... It's easier to either create this or that for a new one. And I think the price of an ultra-expensive glider f22 with an ultra-expensive gutter f35 will not be affordable not only for the Japanese. Yes ... and for the last few years they will only be brought to combat readiness ...

[bouncyhunter]

Here's another thing: for a successful "crossing" of F-22 and F-35, it is necessary that both "crossed" samples be brought to mind and free from "childhood diseases". And here is where not everything goes smoothly. So you can get an unsightly cross between a penchekryak and a shnopotrumbel. But then the question arises: "is this able to stop the enterprising businessmen from Lockheed Martin?" ... So let's see ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich

To cram the inside of f35 into f22, you need to redo the inside of f22 and the f22 inside ...

Honestly, I did not understand what you wanted to say. Who was standing on whom?

[gurta]

Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich

In order to cram the inside of f35 into f22 you need to redo the inside of f22 and the f22 of inside XNUMX ... It’s easier to create this or that for something new.

“You're building a hybrid aircraft,” David Deptula, a retired Air Force lieutenant general who is now dean of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies. “It's not an F-22. It's not an F-35. It's a combination therefore. That can be done much, much more rapidly than introducing a new design. ”
This is from the original article. https://www.defenseone.com/business/2018/08/lockheed-pitching-f-22f-35-hybrid-us-air-force/150943/?oref=d-topstory. They do not agree with you.

[mishaia_23]

To cram f35 into gut f22

Do you have enough brains?
Or just a publicity stunt

[sabakina]

Pasha, or rather new pee pee. And about the stuffing I'm not sure. Something they muddied.

[Shahno]

I don’t think everything is so simple here. The modernization of Ф 22 on the new platform is really being seriously lobbied (let’s say, there will be investments, everything can be decided if Lockheed convinces them that they can combine the financing of 35 and 22 and allocate the budget for the additional program, there is a lot to do, 2-3% from the NATO budget).
Although of course, these are all rumors, like percent. on 30 and all information

[rocket757]

It’s interesting to look at Urya-patriots after all!
"The Yankees will not be able to release F 22, they will not be able to do as we do, our asymmetric answer, this is the answer of all answers !!!" - and so on.
Simple truth, do not underestimate the enemy and from the cries of Urya, your side will not become stronger.
The Yankees will do it, advertise and sell it, and many bribes will bribe the proceeds, agree, do it and sell it again! At the same time, they will take care of their actual military power .... they are a strong opponent, in order to keep them at a safe distance, it’s necessary not to Urya to scream, but to work tirelessly!

[KaPToC]

Quote: rocket757

We must not scream Urya, but work tirelessly!

Great, but how does this relate to the topic of the article? Or do you suggest that I, a railroad worker, go to do aircraft construction, "tirelessly"? You can shout "hurray" to non-specialists.

[Mih1974]

I would write even more rudely: "22" became a "hangar conqueror of the sky", "35" is a piece of shit in itself and in the coming years a UAV will rise on its bridge (according to possibilities), the end and edge of the "sawing" 35 is not visible and not slash, only his achievements do not fall (miracles are one thing, this simply cannot be).
The very idea of ​​"fencing" a new version, and not just upgrading "22" when "35" is not delivered, is an extremely strange situation and rather smacks of a Pyramid. "buy our new shares before they go up (until we cover up and run off to the Canary Islands)." I could have believed in "crushing Japanese competitors" if they were. At the same time, they have already sold 35 japam, withdraw the bases and lose control - the United States does not plan, why the hell then Lohid ( ) so twitches?

[Aaron Zawi]

Something at the level of rumors. There’s nothing to discuss.

[Dead duck]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Something at the level of rumors. There’s nothing to discuss.

still, "they say" that even the F-23 want to reanimate

[sabakina]

Quote: Deadush

still, "they say" that even the F-23 want to reanimate

prjuvet Vitya! Why, bird like a bird ...

[sabakina]

Aron, if there were no rumors, such a science as computer science would not have appeared.

[Laughtermaster]

Something at the level of rumors.

Undertaker F-22 McCain himself introduced himself, and so the work went on to resuscitate him, you really don’t know.

[dzvero]

In principle, it is logical to combine a good F-22 glider with the best of the F-35 BREO. It is necessary to take off the hat in front of Lokhkid - to steam already developed in a new and for big money ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: dzvero

In principle, it is logical to combine a good F-22 glider

F-23 was better ... they just felt sorry for them in due time, so that they would not go broke.

[Azim77]

Quote: dzvero

In principle, it is logical to combine a good F-22 glider with the best of the F-35 BREO. It is necessary to take off the hat in front of Lokhkid - to steam already developed in a new and for big money ...

Well, the joke about 22 + 35 = F-57 can turn into reality .. Among the respected readers of VO, no one in Lockheed moonlighting?

[XXXIII]

Quote: Azim77

Well, the joke about 22 + 35 = F-57 can turn into reality ..

Every joke has some truth...

[ANCIENT]

Is this not an attempt to impose a fundamentally new aircraft instead of the flawed F35 on the US Army? And to begin with, "test" it on the same Japanese? ??

[gurta]

Quote: Kurare

In principle, proof that, especially, the F-35 program, to put it mildly, "failed."

Duck Russia already wants to cling to 35, everyone understands that success is developing, but these are all unsuccessful, but failed ... Circus, that's all.

[Kurare]

Quote: gurta

Duck Russia already wants to cling to 35

Russia has its 35th, Su-35! Foreign plywood is not needed, there is nothing to stick on.
Thanks, made laugh to tears! A good day!

[LMN]

Quote: Kurare

Quote: gurta

Duck Russia already wants to cling to 35

Russia has its 35th, Su-35! Foreign plywood is not needed, there is nothing to stick on.
Thanks, made laugh to tears! A good day!

He is apparently about the fact that some of the ideas in the development of the F-35 were "borrowed" from the Russian Federation.
Well, the way it is

But why he SO formulates it ... apparently offended by the Russian Federation

[Voyager]

In vain rejoice, gentlemen. It is from such news that it smells fried. Firstly, the fact of such work, which “said and did” for the enemy to spat at once, shows that they do not stand still and are able to accept criticism. Secondly, the F-22 is a good fighter with its pros and cons and the F-35 is the same. But the combination of qualities of these two machines can be much more effective. Vobschem I do not like this news. The successful implementation of their project will again throw us in catching up even further

[Sergey39]

It remains to be hoped that ours do not sleep either

[Kurare]

Quote: Voyager

that they do not stand still and are able to accept criticism.

For companies like Lockheed, criticism plays no role. The most important factor is the level of sales and income.
The F-22 program was actually closed, and no export permits were received. Many simply do not want the F-35, it does not live up to the requirements. From this, the result - we make a mixture of F-22 and F-35 in such a way that it would be for export and not a "loser" F-35.

[sabakina]

Quote: Voyager

But the combination of qualities of these two machines can be much more effective.

Best the enemy of the good. But in this context, neither the F-22 nor the F-35 have yet shown their worth.

[japs]

Here, as the card lies. Will there be pros or cons of both cars? Who knows...
But, most likely, an optimistic throw. Fu35 has not yet been put to all the suckers.

[NN52]

In principle, I agree on something ...
If the Americans put the F 22 stuffing into the F 35 glider, and modify the dviguns a little to the detriment of the stealth technology (to the full angle, and not just in the vertical plane.), Then indeed, the machine will turn out to be even very good (unfortunately we must admit it .. ) ...
But, it will really not be soon, and it is partly pleasing ....

[xtur]

such a combination will result in a lot of money, which will make the already most expensive aircraft even more expensive.
and besides, the capacity of the compartments of the f-22 is not very large.

[XXXIII]

Quote: xtur

+2
such a combination will result in a lot of money, which will make the already most expensive aircraft even more expensive.
and besides, the capacity of the compartments of the f-22 is not very large.

Money is not even the most important thing, there are no free hands, the limit has already been reached by the US military-industrial complex, and a little more will be torn .....

[voyaka uh]

The solution would be great, but there is no funding for it. They thought Japan would pay. But those will spend a long time working up, until they agree on who is producing what, how to "divide" the project - years will pass.
Lockheed will have to make a prototype: the F-22 glider, the F-35 filling for his money.

[XXXIII]

Quote: voyaka uh

Lockheed will have to make a prototype: F-22 glider, F-35 filling for their money.

Lockheed has his money, don’t tell ...

[voyaka uh]

Lockheed makes a profit. A prototype can do quite well.
Actually, you can take one of the F-22 workers, pull out the filling, leaving the glider naked, and start stuffing it with F-35 avionics. And check how real it is.
So did Israel with the F-16 of the first issues.

[Mih1974]

I will ask a question somewhat poyavreisk - and HOW will avionics change the "ban on the sale" of the F-22. After all, if I'm not mistaken there are some "super duper" technologies. But we’ll take care that it’s just a cover, because neither the motor, nor the "chopped" body carries any secret here.
Then it turns out - they want to "wash off" the paint, try to push the avionics from "35" there and sell it like that? Well, is he such a japam for belmes or others? Here it is more logical to upgrade the F-22 for YOURSELF by increasing its electronics. Yes, in fact, the Japia market is not so big and that for her sake such a circus could be fenced.
In general, it is clear - the matter is dark.

[XXXIII]

Quote: voyaka uh

Lockheed makes a profit. A prototype can do quite well.
Actually, you can take one of the F-22 workers, pull out the filling, leaving the glider naked, and start stuffing it with F-35 avionics. And check how real it is.
So did Israel with the F-16 of the first issues.

It may be enough for prototypes, and no more, but companies go bankrupt for them, too much money is spent on the development and implementation of the material. And they do it more often to order, their money goes to pay for golden parachutes, partly to the technologies that are in demand and sold, they earn money on them. So there is no demand, they won’t do a damn thing for their money, they won’t even make a bolt. And here you are painting a picture that they just do what they invest their money, even a lockheed will ask for a grant from the authorities for the prototype, which was the case with f-35 and f-22. In general, the usual order for the military industrial complex, the authorities wanted, and pay for it. It’s not for nothing that the Jews settled down there, the states spend money very well on defense, and here you are basing yourself on these planes, even obvious vulnerabilities are an achievement for you, complete insanity ....

[parathyron]

Firstly, we have never been catching up before, and secondly, they still need to manage to add up the pros and not the cons, it takes considerable time to bring to mind, and the principles of their aircraft construction in recent years will not change, the same commercial approach and vparivanie political methods.

[Old shoe]

add up the pros, not the cons
Reminded of a song about Gaston, who was seemingly scary, but smart. And he decided to marry Jeanette, who was beautiful, but dumb. And he hoped that the children would be smart in him and beautiful in Jeanette. But! The children were born ... Prediction contrary: the fears in Gaston and in Jeanette are fools!

[Sands Careers General]

We blinded him from what was and made him love))

[2329 Carpenter]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Voyager

But the combination of qualities of these two machines can be much more effective.

Best the enemy of the good. But in this context, neither the F-22 nor the F-35 have yet shown their worth.

It was not painful that they were allowed to appear so far. Still to come.
Voyakin is already rubbing his hands.

[Laughtermaster]

intend to offer the American Air Force and allies several aircraft options in order to "understand how to upgrade the aircraft"

Will they be tested on obedient hamsters ?. It smacks of an attempt to restore production, but at the expense of hamsters.

[APASUS]

I understand the cut continues! The word hybrid does not at all reveal the changes made and the design of the aircraft. As long as only one thing is clear, they need another money tranche!

[Shahno]

How much is revealed by Su 57? The problem is common, lack of funding for the tasks.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Shahno

How much is revealed by Su 57?

And what is there to disclose, the Russian Federation is sawing one plane, two states, the Su-57 has everything that these two planes have from lockheed, with one shot .....

[borberd]

So far, only in words. That's when he goes into series and enters the troops in an amount at least equal to the F-22, then something can be discussed. And so it is - "Spherical horse in a vacuum" (c).
And by the way, in Shaty 2 planes are already in the series and have been flying for a long time.

[XXXIII]

Quote: borberd

So far, only in words. That's when he goes into series and enters the troops in an amount at least equal to the F-22, then something can be discussed. And so it is - "Spherical horse in a vacuum" (c).
And by the way, in Shaty 2 planes are already in the series and have been flying for a long time.

What the Russian Federation is in a hurry for, everything will succeed, and the Russian Federation will have other priorities, it would be necessary to do so, and so we have the lion's share of the budget on the Strategic Missile Forces, a nuclear missile power ....

[bang]

Curious if you cross
f-22 + f-35 = f-57
Coincidence? )))

[Laughtermaster]

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I do not think

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[CAT BAIYUN]

Gentlemen, remember the basic law of organic chemistry: If you take three kilograms of jam and mix with a kilogram of shit, then it turns out ....? Correctly! Four kilograms of crap ... The situation is the same here.

[Laughtermaster]

Ahaha, I didn’t understand the fucker, but plus.

[Laughtermaster]

Apparently we are talking about mixing 3 kg of shit and 1 kg of shit and get 4 kg of jam.

[Shahno]

Well, this is already to us. We own such innovations (how to turn wastewater into drinking water, how to turn a Bedouin into an Israeli)

[Mih1974]

Your "achievements" in drinking water - your people are dying en masse from cancer , so don’t even stutter about Achievements.

[EvilLion]

Well it will be the F-22B that was being offered. The plane there must be redone completely. It is possible, but expensive and for the sake of 100-200 machines is pointless.

[Shahno]

So I do not think that the general plans for the production of cars will change. Of course, if management succeeds in the commissions of Congress ... It is more difficult to unfreeze brains than lines.

[Heterocapsa]

Well, double the price.

[Ros 56]

A hybrid of an elephant and a monkey, very witty. Once again I am convinced that the stripes are slowly coming to an end, in the sense of a great power. Further, Lee Anfield will be crossed with the M-16, and along the sloping forward and with the song. That's what Hollywood and megalomania bring to.

[voyaka uh]

F-22 and F-35 are very similar. The difference: one has two engines, the other has one.
F-22 was designed 20 years earlier, so the electronics, computer and software are naturally outdated.
They are going to replace them with new avionics, which is mounted on the F-35.
I am always happy to explain the meaning of the article.

[Mih1974]

I repeat that I wrote above - it will not be a Hybrid it will be Modernization of the F-22 !!! A hybrid is to connect something that cannot be simply "rearranged" such as a "cover" or an ejection seat. Now, if they sawed off one engine at "22" - that would be a Hybrid

[voyaka uh]

For your information: avionics - 50% of the cost of a fighter. It’s cheaper to replace engines with a new generation than to replace electronics.

[Mih1974]

If you are deaf, it will be more expensive for you to encrust your teeth with diamonds than to insert a hearing aid, but "diamonds in zooms" is an upgrade, and a hearing aid is a hybrid. Is that clearer? No matter how many people say that "we are not modernizing the Su-27, we are making completely new aircraft", all the same, EVERYTHING except the Su-34 is modernization of varying degrees, even UHT engines and that is, by and large, modernization, although there are still many changed.
Therefore, "choosing avionics" and even if a seat, a pilot's seat and a diamond-platinum helmet and putting it into the F-22 is not a Hybrid, it is exclusively Modernization. And already leave your national habits to measure EVERYTHING in shekels

[user1212]

Quote: voyaka uh

F-22 designed 20 years earlier

Yes, but the F35 project is already far beyond 20 years. He flies 18, but after all they designed it for more than one year. So is the F35 electronics outdated?

[voyaka uh]

The F-35 project dragged on so much because the Air Force was constantly increasing requirements. During R&D, requirements changed. But, unlike the F-22, the F-35 made electronics of an open architecture and the software was written in C ++. Therefore, everything is flexible there. A new device - a new piece of code and that's it. And on the Raptor, any upgrade is a headache.

[Operator]

Updated F-22 - recognition of the collapse of the F-35 and the priority of SU-57.

PS And then Israel realized that the USA had raped him

[voyaka uh]

On the contrary. Recognition that the F-35 has advanced avionics. And the fact that the F-22 began to become obsolete.

[Operator]

What FIG is the outdated F-22, when exactly was its glider chosen as the basis for the future fighter - the enemy of the Su-57. And electronics, unlike a glider, becomes outdated every two years with each new generation of processors.

[Zaurbek]

1. They recognized the weakness of the F-35 to the Su-35S?
2. How much will the F-22-35 cost? But it will be an extraordinary car.