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Merkava-4 and T-90MS: who is who?

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Comparison of different models of armored vehicles of the same class is a favorite pastime of specialists and military enthusiasts. Often the emergence of new comparisons contributes to the situation in certain regions. Thus, the situation in the Middle East remains tense, which leads to the risk of a full-scale armed conflict between several countries. Naturally, modern war machines will participate in such a war. Imagine that on the battlefield met the main Tanks T-90MS and Merkava-4 Russian and Israeli production, respectively. Which armored vehicle will be able to complete the battle with a victory?


Tanks "Merkava-4" are the newest and most sophisticated vehicles of its class in the Israel Defense Forces. They entered the army in the middle of the last decade and gradually became the basis of armored forces. Since then, several equipment upgrades have been carried out, according to the results of which she received certain new units and capabilities. However, the update process does not stop. Already aware of the work on the new modification of the tank.


Tanks "Merkava-4" in service. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


The Russian tank T-90MS is an export version of the T-90AM “Proryv”. This project started in the middle of the last decade, and the finished car was first shown in 2011 year. The project "Breakthrough" provided for a deep modernization of the existing T-90 tank, aimed at improving the technical and combat characteristics. As part of the updated machine uses modern components, due to which improved performance is achieved.

During the hypothetical Middle East conflict, the Merkava-4 tanks can only be used by the Israeli army. Despite the long-standing history, armored vehicles of the Merkava family are in service only in Israel. Other countries have shown interest in such technology, but it has not yet led to real supply. Tank T-90MS, too, has not yet managed to get into the army. Previous samples of the T-90 family were actively sold and served worldwide, but the last deep modernization has not yet been mass-produced for customers. In the future, the sale of such equipment to some Middle Eastern countries, for example, Syria, is not excluded. That it can be regarded as the operator of the T-90MS in a hypothetical war.

Mobility

One of the main factors affecting the fighting qualities of the tank, and therefore the outcome of the battle, is mobility. The armored vehicle must be able to move around the battlefield at a given speed, not paying attention to irregularities or obstacles, thereby ensuring timely access to the firing position and achieving advantages over the enemy.

Israeli Merkava-4 tanks are equipped with General Dynamics GD883 diesel engines with 1500 horsepower. The combat weight of the vehicle, depending on the configuration, exceeds 65 tons. Thus, the power density of the tank can not be higher than 23 hp. per ton. The engine is connected to an automatic hydromechanical transmission. The machine is equipped with a suspension with spring-based suspension. In this case there are means that protect the moving parts of the suspension from the negative impact of soil or stones.


Experienced T-90MS. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


In the aft compartment of the T-90MS is mounted a diesel engine B-92C2F with the power 1130 hp, connected to an automatic transmission. According to the results of the upgrade, this tank weighs 48 t, which allows to obtain a specific power of at least 23,5 hp. per ton. The undercarriage with a torsion suspension, which is traditional for domestic tank building, does not need additional protection.

The T-90MS and the Merkava-4 tanks differ little from each other in their power density. Nevertheless, the mass of cars noticeably affects their characteristics. For example, an Israeli tank on the highway accelerates to 64 km / h, while the Russian is capable of developing 70 km / h. T-90MS also has a significant advantage in power reserve. It should be noted that a large mass of “Merkavy-4” can worsen strategic mobility, limiting the choice of routes for the transfer of such equipment. However, the features of the operation of technology and the strategy of the AOI can not deal with such problems. Israeli tanks were created taking into account the operation only in their region, and they are not planned to be sent to other areas.

In general, from the available data it follows that the T-90MS is capable of showing higher mobility characteristics, both on roads and on rough terrain. A crew with good training will be able to use these advantages in battle for a quicker reach to a vantage point.

Protection

Another factor affecting the overall efficiency of the tank is its survivability, which, in turn, is made up of a combination of protection, layout solutions, etc. It should be noted that in the Russian tank construction traditionally conducted the search for the optimal combination of all the main characteristics, while Israeli engineers are focusing on protection. This leads to the characteristic differences between the two cars.


"Merkava-4" at the site. Photo AOI


According to known data, the frontal projection of the Merkavy-4 is covered with a combined reservation with metal and ceramic parts. Other projections, to save weight, are protected by a homogeneous reservation. A characteristic feature of the Israeli tank is the large slope of the upper frontal hull detail. Also, to improve the protection of the crew used non-standard front-engine layout, in which the engine and transmission are an additional barrier to the projectile. In addition, in the habitable compartment there are no potentially flammable hydraulic systems and ammunition. The hull also takes into account the need to protect against explosive devices under the tracks or the bottom.

Previously, the AOI actively used dynamic protection systems, but the Merkava-4 has no such equipment. Nevertheless, several years ago, the mass equipment of such tanks with the Meil ​​Ruach active defense complex, designed to intercept incoming ammunition, began. According to open data, in a modern configuration, the Merkava-4 can intercept grenades and missiles, and can also withstand the hit of various projectiles. In this case, however, the exact figures of the reservation were not disclosed.

From their predecessors, the Russian T-90MS "inherited" a combined frontal protection of armor steel, supplemented with metal and ceramic plates. Frontal projection also has a modern integrated dynamic protection "Relic". According to the developers of the tank and protection for it, the combination of combined armor and Relic allows you to withstand the impact of most modern anti-tank ammunition. The sides and hull of the hull have homogeneous protection, which is complemented by onboard screens of various types.

A modification of the T-90AM tank for the Russian army can be equipped with some elements of the Afganit active defense complex. For the export vehicle T-90MS, the use of KAZ "Arena-E" with other characteristics was proposed. When using all available means, T-90MS is able to protect itself against various attacks, with some threats being intercepted at a safe distance.


T-90MS on the track. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The lack of complete data on the level of protection makes it impossible to objectively compare two tanks. For this reason, they look equivalent, although some of their features may give advantages over a competitor. So, T-90MS favorably differs by the presence of a complete set in the form of combined, dynamic and active protection, complemented by cutting screens. Having no dynamic protection, the Merkava-4 boasts a special layout that increases the survivability of the crew when attacking from the front hemisphere.

Observation and management

To realize the full potential weapons Without undue risk, a modern tank must have effective means of observation and a fire control system. In addition, it requires communication systems that provide for the exchange of data on the tactical situation with the command or other combat vehicles. All these requirements were taken into account in the Russian and Israeli projects.

The latest series Merkava-4 tanks are equipped with a BAZ fire control system and BMS-type communications equipment. The MSA includes a commander panoramic sight and a gunner's optical-electronic unit, stabilized in two planes. The commander and gunner have day and night cameras, as well as a laser range finder. There are ballistic computer and automatic target tracking. According to various sources, in the light and dark of the day, a search for targets and shooting at a distance of up to 6-8 km is provided. The BMS communication system provides the exchange of data on the situation on the battlefield, reception and issuance of target designation.

The T-90MS project provides for the use of the modern Kalina. At the disposal of the commander and the gunner there are combined (day-night) sights, and on the roof of the tower there is a panoramic sight of the commander. Arms and sights are stabilized in two planes. Automation provides identification and target tracking, data generation for firing, etc. There is a set of communication facilities for interaction and data transmission at the battalion level. Provides navigation equipment using satellite signals. The Kalina SUO provides observation of the situation in any conditions and the use of weapons over the entire range of distances.


LAHAT guided missile, part of the MG253 gun. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


According to the available data, the BAZ and Kalina fire control systems can currently claim leadership positions and are among the best examples of their kind in the world. They are able to successfully ensure the search for targets and their subsequent destruction with the help of regular weapons. The high excellence of the SLA places special demands on crew training. In fact, the outcome of the confrontation depends not only on technology, but also on the skills of tankers.

weaponry

The ultimate goal of modern means of protection and control is the safe and effective use of weapons to defeat the enemy. “Merkava-4” and T-90MS belong to different schools of tank building, but they embody the most modern approach to the creation of weapon systems.

In the turret of the tank for AOI, an 120-mm smooth-bore gun-launcher MG253 with a barrel of 50 caliber-long is a revised version of the famous Rh-120 cannon. This product can use all existing 120-mm projectiles for tank guns that meet NATO standards. At the same time, the Israeli industry produces several types of its own ammunition. Armor-piercing shells for MG253 are capable of piercing at least 600-650 mm of homogeneous armor. The Merkavy-4 ammunition includes LAHAT guided missiles with launch through the barrel. Declared range of up to 8 km and armor penetration to 800 mm for dynamic protection.

Ammunition is fed into the gun using a semi-automatic system with a drum on 10 shells. Another 38 shots are stored in a separate piling and fed to the drum manually. It is argued that this speeds up the process of preparing for the shot by automatically searching for the necessary projectile and mechanized discharging.


9М119М rocket for 2А46 gun. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The complex of additional weapons includes a pair of rifle-caliber machine guns. One is mounted on the gun mount, the second - on the roof of the tower. There is also a remote-controlled installation with a large-caliber machine gun. On the tower are smoke grenade launchers. Merkava-4, like its predecessors, can carry an 60-mm mortar.

The T-90MS project provides for the use of an 125-mm smooth-bore 2A46М-5 launcher with a barrel of 48 caliber. With the gun mates updated automatic loader. The ammunition of the gun consists of 40 shots of separate loading. 22 are located in the loader in the lower part of the crew compartment, another 8 are in the styling case. Additional stacking on 10 shots is organized in a new aft tower niche. The gun 2А46М-5 is compatible with all domestic ammunition caliber 125 mm. Armor-piercing shells of the latest models are able to penetrate up to 600-650 mm of homogeneous armor. Also T-90MS carries the 9K119М “Reflex-M” guided weapons complex with anti-tank 9М119М and 9М119М1 missiles. The range of such missiles reaches 5 km. Penetration - up to 900 mm for dynamic protection.

On one installation with a tool placed twin machine gun PKTM. The second such product is mounted on a remotely controlled combat module. In addition, the set of additional weapons includes a set of smoke grenade launchers.

In the field of weapons there is a curious situation. When using artillery shells of existing types of Merkava-4 and T-90MS can show similar characteristics and combat qualities. However, with the use of guided missiles, the situation is changing in favor of the Israeli tank. The newer LAHAT complex has advantages in the firing range, although it loses to Reflex in terms of penetration. The advantage of the Merkava-4 can be considered a larger number of machine guns, as well as the use of large-caliber M2HB.


Serial tank "Merkava-4" with a complex of active protection. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


Who will win?

A superficial study of two modern combat vehicles that may encounter in hypothetical battles in the Middle East shows a very interesting situation. Having only open information, it is impossible to assert with confidence that any of the machines in question has definite advantages over the other. In some areas, the leadership is held by the Merkava-4, while in others the T-90MS looks more successful. Based on this, it is possible to draw obvious conclusions.

In the field of mobility and strategic mobility, a lighter and more compact main tank of Russian production has great advantages. In terms of survivability, the two tanks seem to be similar, although an equal level of resistance protection is achieved in different ways. The situation is the same in the field of fire control, communications and control systems. In terms of weapons, the Merkava-4 and the T-90MS are similar, although the presence of longer-range missiles offers advantages to the Israeli tank.

A rather interesting picture is taking shape. It turns out that for the successful completion of the hypothetical battle, the T-90MS must use its advantages in mobility, and the Merkava-4 for the same purpose will have to use effective means of observation and relatively long-range missiles. In this case, both cars can hardly count on the successful defeat of the enemy with the first well-aimed shot, since they have a serious defense of various kinds.

Thus, in the collision of two tanks, the “pure” tactical-technical characteristics to some extent lose their meaning. At the same time, the importance of communications and control, as well as crew training, is growing. In such a case, the fighting machine, which earlier receives information about the presence of the enemy, will also have a greater chance of winning, and will quickly find it and, using its technical advantages, will deliver a decisive blow.


T-90MS at the moment after the shot. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


Modern military technology is characterized by high performance and a certain perfection. The development of weapons systems and other devices has led to the most serious growth in the importance of auxiliary complexes and the training of personnel. As a result, the outcome of the collision "Merkavy-4" and T-90MS will depend, primarily, on specific people. Which crews will face in a hypothetical battle is a separate question.

A direct comparison of any modern tanks from leading manufacturers can result in the most interesting findings. A modern main battle tank is not a combat unit operating independently and in isolation from other structures. The effectiveness of his combat work is directly dependent on the systems of intelligence, communications and control. In addition, the training of personnel, both tank crews and command, is of particular importance.

The situation in the Middle East does not change and there is still the risk of a full-scale armed conflict involving a number of countries in the region. In such a war will be used very different armored vehicles, consisting in service; Merkava-4 tanks and T-90 vehicles can become its participants. As you can see, the results of battles with the use of such equipment depend on many factors and are unlikely to be predictable.


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  1. Vard
    Vard 5 September 2018 05: 51
    0
    Absolutely different machines ... Designed to solve different problems and compare them ... How sour with fresh ...
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 5 September 2018 14: 15
      0
      And in my opinion the task is the same, it is to destroy the enemy’s tank. For the T-90 urgently need ATGM for 8 km!
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 5 September 2018 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: Black Sniper
        And in my opinion the task is the same, it is to destroy the enemy’s tank.

        You are absolutely wrong, the destruction of enemy tanks is a secondary task.
        1. merkava-2bet
          merkava-2bet 14 September 2018 05: 24
          0
          You are talking about the charter of the USSR / Russia, it says so, but in Israel, VET comes first, beginning in the early 1960s. This is an example of how Israel Tal trained his tank crews for long-range shooting at tanks and other targets. In the doctrine of the Israeli Defense Ministry until the middle In the 1970s, it was tanks that were the main anti-tank missile, then artillery and aviation, and only with the advent of sufficiently effective anti-tank missiles (Tou, Dragon, and then their own developments) did the tanks lose their role as anti-tank missiles, but did not cancel this role.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 7 September 2018 10: 11
        0
        Our tanks need ATGMs with a bruising of min 1150mm for dynamic protection. Generally rocket Chrysanthemum. In general, why is this comparison? Oncoming tank battle in modern conditions is already absurd.
      3. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 19
        +1
        ATGM for 8 kilometers? And it’s also advisable to have a theater of operations where these 8 kilometers will be everywhere to at least detect a target at such a distance.
        The tank must first be detected and marked as a target. This will be done by means of a tank or other combat units is not important now. Next, this tank must be hit. For this, the ATGM must bypass obstacles or terrain, overcome the means of counteraction of the tank and hit in an accessible place. But here such a range plays a role, and not by itself.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 15 November 2018 01: 54
          0
          The article dealt with a hypothetical clash in the territories of Israel and neighboring Syria. This is where the TVD you are looking for is located. hi
          1. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 16 November 2018 23: 24
            +1
            That's right, Oleg. But it seems to me, and I wrote above about this, that a complex is needed. Detection, target identification at such a distance, the ability to overcome opposition and the possibility of defeat. Otherwise, it makes no sense.
            Now we are armed with Invar-M1, the range of which is 2 times less than declared. It is independently aimed at the target, it has no obstacles and overcome opposition. Moreover, it is induced by direct illumination of the target. So it means that someone outside the tank cannot indicate the target for it - an UAV or a gunner. Well, the ability to overcome the tank’s armor is already on the verge, and often not enough to overcome the armor of modern tanks, including Israeli tanks.
            The most modern complex is the Cornet, only in the latest modification can it itself accompany the target, but it is still not at all. His range and penetration are sufficient. However, the possibilities of overcoming opposition are dubious. Improvements that can be released almost simultaneously 2 Ptura, but the tank can not. Aim from the outside and attack the target along such a path that it would be possible to hit the target out of sight, he also can not. Well and most importantly, it is 152mm and is not suitable for the used guns.
            So the 8km range is not the main issue at all.
            But that is not all. It seems to me extremely doubtful the fidelity of the decision to create massive weapons with the expectation of being used mainly in the Middle East. Yet to the borders from there far away. We have opponents who do not hide hostility, near the borders. And the focus should be primarily on the European theater. And there, the possibilities of attacking at a great distance by tank means are further reduced and all words of obstacles for ATGMs become even more relevant.
            So far, one thing is clear. The ATGMs launched from the cannon of the tank are not capable of fulfilling their task, even if they have a range of up to 8 km. We need completely new solutions. And the tank as their carrier looks already doubtful.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 17 November 2018 00: 05
              0
              Thanks for the reply. hi
        2. Alan_McCormack
          Alan_McCormack April 8 2022 18: 30
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          By the way, Lahat knows how to do this. This missile, when launched from a tank, can attack a line after an obstacle at the direction of a drone, another tank, a person, etc.
          1. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 12 June 2022 13: 08
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            Yes, I looked at its capabilities.
    2. Varaga
      Varaga 5 September 2018 14: 21
      +1
      Tanks cannot be created for different tasks. That's why tanks, in order to solve the same problems. Only now, who can handle it? That will be the difference.
    3. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 13
      0
      Hmm, the desire to write first under each post at least something prevails over common sense.
      But can you tell the difference between the tasks of these tanks?
    4. Yrec
      Yrec 9 October 2018 14: 43
      0
      Again they try to compare iron. People will fight them and it is necessary to compare.
  2. Donald72
    Donald72 5 September 2018 05: 52
    -5
    Total Mirkova will sharpen armor of unknown weight from numerous machine guns, and T90 from larger but less numerous ones with the same result as the properties of the armature of the suppostat are also unknown. The strongest will win!
  3. Donald72
    Donald72 5 September 2018 06: 12
    -8
    If these monsters can be so compared then merkava is more beautiful.
    1. rum
      rum 5 September 2018 08: 36
      +14
      BEAUTIFUL then BEAUTIFUL- and learned the lessons?
  4. amateur2
    amateur2 5 September 2018 06: 13
    +22
    And if you also put the Krivorukov Egyptian tankers in the T-90, then Merkava will definitely win! laughing
  5. svp67
    svp67 5 September 2018 06: 13
    +6
    Merkava-4 and T-90MS: who is who?
    It depends on where and how they will meet and who will be in the crews .. In the Middle East 8 to 2 "Merkava", in the European theater of operations 4 to 6 T-90
    1. avt
      avt 5 September 2018 10: 10
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      It depends on where and how they meet and who will be in the crews ..

      Well, somehow - yes
      The combat vehicle is not so terrible, its cheerful crew is worse.
      and general leadership of the battle in terms of command and control of diverse forces and assets. Once reading this review from Kirill, I recall how one of our retired generals about the "Desert Storm" reasoned, well, when Iraqi tankers in Kuwait were shot at a distance from the Abrams with the "Appaches" at a distance. if they clashed head-on, like near Prokhorovka, then the Iraqis would have slapped 72! bully
      Quote: konstantin68
      In any case, Merkava is a really warring tank, like our 72/90

      bully By country and continent ..... bully
    2. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 September 2018 13: 59
      -9
      Middle East 8 to 2 Merkava

      if another Doomsday war begins, then in the current situation, dispersed accumulations of Merkava-4 tanks will be hit from the beginning by MLRS Smerch: cluster warheads, OTRK Point: cluster warheads.
      and only then the T-90 tanks calmly roll out the Israeli army, and in an hour 50 km will pass. from the Golan Heights to Haifa.
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        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 5 September 2018 15: 59
          -4
          And the fact that in Syria, near Masyaf, the S-300PMU-1 air defense missile system is deployed, Israel is still shouting that it should not be delivered to Syria (!)
          OTRK The point worked quietly a month ago in southern Syria in Daraa that the 3 zur SAM of the Patriot and the Israeli Hets did not intercept the Point (!)
          By the way, another (+) downed F-16 on the Golan Heights (!)
          The Syrians have mastered the T-72, so that they can not even transmit T-90, but enough T-72Б3.
          (+) supplies of large-caliber 152-mm Hyacinth-B are increasing
          (+) shipments of air defense systems Tor-M2E, air defense system Shell
          1. merkava-2bet
            merkava-2bet 14 September 2018 00: 08
            -2
            Firstly, the F-16 was damaged and fell on its territory, so it doesn’t count, given that the crew made a mistake when performing a combat mission, this was officially announced by the Israeli Ministry of Defense.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 5 September 2018 15: 16
        +6
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        if another doomsday war begins

        Alternative specialists.
        Participated in the IRR
        Syria does not exist as an organized force.
        Egypt is a friend of the United States.
        Iraq - occupied by the United States.
        Jordan is a friend of the United States.
        GSVS Armed Forces of the USSR - well, that.
        with the support of
        Algeria has nothing to do with it.
        Saudi Arabia is a friend of the United States.
        Cuba has nothing to do with it.
        Kuwait is a friend of the United States.
        Lebanon - does not exist as an organized force.
        Pakistan is a former friend of the United States, a current friend of China.
        Morocco - nothing to do with it.
        Libya - does not exist as an organized force.
        North Korea - well, that.
        Tunisia is a friend of the United States.
        Sudan - collapsed.

        Total Only the GSVF of the USSR Armed Forces, or whoever is behind them now, from the dancer, the DPRK and part of Lebanon (Hezbollah) can take part in the VVD from the old team.

        By the way, what is an effective foreign policy?

        To convince you that both Tornado and T-90 Jews will take out aviation in 15 minutes is useless. You will knock them all Verba, I know.
      3. svp67
        svp67 5 September 2018 20: 06
        +2
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        if another Doomsday war begins, then in the current situation, dispersed accumulations of Merkava-4 tanks will be hit from the beginning by MLRS Smerch: cluster warheads, OTRK Point: cluster warheads.
        and only then the T-90 tanks calmly roll out the Israeli army, and in an hour 50 km will pass. from the Golan Heights to Haifa.

        It will not work calmly ... Israel has an overwhelming advantage in the sky, which means that there will not be an easy walk at the T-90, they will begin to be destroyed even in the areas of concentration and on the march, just remember that their ATGM "Spike" learned to fly 16 km ...
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 5 September 2018 20: 30
          -2
          see my comment above, about the downed F-16, not interception otrk Point, the deployment of C-300PMU-1, in fact, the transfer to the Syrians Tor-M2E, Armor.
          I understand that you don't really like this very much.
          And you display this in the backing tracks.
          This is enough for me (!)
          1. svp67
            svp67 5 September 2018 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            see my comment above, about the downed F-16, do not intercept the unit Point,

            But do not list how many Syrian planes were shot down during this time and how many could not intercept Israeli missiles? So that would understand the balance ...
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            Deployment of C-300PMU-1,

            Do you have accurate data or is it fantasy?
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            I understand that you do not really like this very much
            You do not understand correctly. That one, that the other side is not red damsels that I would like. I repeat once again that I am stating the facts and they are not in favor of Syria ...
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            And you display this in the backing tracks.

            This is without my participation ...
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            This is enough for me (!)

            That's your business...
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 7 September 2018 20: 16
              -1
              Deployment of C-300PMU-1,

              Do you have accurate data or is it fantasy?

              Syria, near the city of Masyaf, SAM-300PMU-1 4 launcher x 2 TPK + low-altitude detector
              координаты: 35°9'55"N 36°15'41"E
              But do not list how many Syrian planes were shot down during this time and how many could not intercept Israeli missiles? So that would understand the balance ...

              Syrian air defense already has an impressive arsenal of sane air defense systems: 18 Buk-M2, 12 S-125M Pechora, 36 Shell, 8 Tor-M1, 4 Tor-M2, S-300PMU-1 4
              total: 640 SAM in salvo
              Target designation they are issued with AB Hmeimim from ACS Foundation associated with the radar Sky, Niobium, A-50U
              1. svp67
                svp67 7 September 2018 20: 50
                0
                Quote: Romario_Argo
                Syria, near the city of Masyaf, SAM-300PMU-1 4 launcher x 2 TPK + low-altitude detector
                координаты: 35°9'55"N 36°15'41"E

                But Russia did not hide the fact that for the protection of Tartus our S-300 division was deployed there, what’s the crime?
                Quote: Romario_Argo
                Syrian air defense already has an impressive arsenal of sane air defense systems

                I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yarema ... So how many Syrian aircraft were destroyed in the same time?
          2. Mauricio
            Mauricio 5 September 2018 21: 03
            -1
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            see my comment above about the downed F-16,

            200 (!!!) sorties, and one plane was lost, do not tell me how many planes were shot down by "birds"
            during the time of the videoconferencing in Syria?
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            deployment of S-300PMU-1

            Yes, all the complexes in Russia will not be enough to block all the routes of approach, do not tell people
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            Armor.

            it was perfectly shown what would happen to them in case of what

            Quote: Romario_Argo
            And you display this in the backing tracks.
            This is enough for me (!)

            because you are talking nonsense, you are going to attack a state with a nuclear triad and the number of warheads from 250 to 500, then half of the world almost came down from Eun with a rust bomb, and you propose to climb from bare to the arms supplier, which is one of the ten largest fool
            1. Romario_Argo
              Romario_Argo 6 September 2018 21: 06
              -2
              very soon,
              you will not choke on your envy of Russian weapons.
              We are waiting for the US strike on Syria. type already under 350 Axes. Israel is also in readiness.
              So let's check in work:
              C-300PMU-1, C-300В4, C-400, Tor-M1, Tor-M2, Beech-M2, C-200, C-125M, Shell (!!!)
      4. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 7 September 2018 13: 59
        +7
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        if another Doomsday war begins, then in the current situation, dispersed accumulations of Merkava-4 tanks will be hit from the beginning by MLRS Smerch: cluster warheads, OTRK Point: cluster warheads.
        and only then the T-90 tanks calmly roll out the Israeli army, and in an hour 50 km will pass. from the Golan Heights to Haifa.



        your reasoning is a complete profanation. you do not understand how tank troops are controlled, fantasize about concentrated and at the same time "dispersed accumulations of Merkava-4 tanks"
        what tornadoes karl?
        to what do you look like Ramat and the Golan did not even see in photographs.
        you Romario, give a tank, so you "in an hour" and in the steppe would not have done 50 km.

        try here to drive on tanks

        in Syria in 73 threw into battle and lost almost 1200 tanks. 5 kilometers to mine they passed.
        and then they fought not badly, with enthusiasm. so say our tank crews.
        Incidentally, the 74th battalion that was on the line slowed down the enemy enough time for the approach of the reserve, but almost all of it was destroyed.

        Syrian tanks near the damaged bridge
      5. Alan_McCormack
        Alan_McCormack April 8 2022 18: 54
        0
        you, my friend, forgot, firstly, about the iron dome of Israel, and secondly, about the fact that he has allies
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  8. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 5 September 2018 07: 05
    0
    The ammunition "Merkava-4" includes guided missiles LAHAT

    Do they come in exactly? Heard refused, pampering it.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 September 2018 18: 45
      +2
      Lahat caliber 105 mm. This is not enough to penetrate the frontal armor of the kumma. Therefore, Lahats hold for helicopters.
      And the tanks are hoping for a very sophisticated "smart" OBPS of their own production.
      1. Alan_McCormack
        Alan_McCormack April 8 2022 19: 01
        0
        lahat from a tank can hit the roof, so don’t care what’s there for breaking through
  9. konstantin68
    konstantin68 5 September 2018 07: 19
    +7
    In any case, the Merkava is a real fighting tank, like our 72/90. Nobody knows how the technique will show itself in battle, there are a lot of "moments" there. An important question is how many tanks can Israel produce in a short time? For some reason, this characteristic is not included in the main performance characteristics, but in vain. Simplicity, cheapness and mass character are very serious indicators. Good luck to the tankers!
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 September 2018 14: 12
      +6
      Quote: konstantin68
      An important question is how many tanks can Israel produce in a short time?


      almost zero. in our area or won in a month or bye.
  10. Larum
    Larum 5 September 2018 08: 55
    +2
    garbage to compare, I agree.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila 5 September 2018 09: 48
    +6
    In general ... everything will be decided by intelligence ... and there the Israelis are slamming Spike from twenty kilometers, they will not bring the tanks to fire contact.
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 September 2018 16: 02
      -6
      and I'm talking about the same (!) that Iran will soon be the first to crash from the territory of Syria (!)
  12. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 5 September 2018 09: 54
    +3
    Everything is as always, with relatively equal technical capabilities of technology ..... a person wins.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 September 2018 15: 16
      +3
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Everything is as always, with relatively equal technical capabilities of technology ..... a person wins.


      will fly swatter?
  13. mvg
    mvg 5 September 2018 10: 23
    +3
    Again, my beloved author draws about what he does not understand ... Again, a labyrinth.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 September 2018 11: 50
      0
      Agree with that
  14. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 5 September 2018 12: 11
    +8
    It’s not entirely appropriate to compare the tank that the Israelis have already adopted, since 2004, I mean its extreme modernization Mr-4, and the T-90 MC, which is not yet in our armed forces, the Israelis have about 225 tanks of this modernization, and therefore the score 225-0 is not in Our favor.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 September 2018 12: 21
      +2
      The extreme upgrade is Merkava Mk.4 BAZ, it later, from 2009.
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 13 September 2018 23: 59
        -1
        Extreme modification of the Merkava-4Barak tank, since 2018, and before that there was a Merkava-4Mem upgraded from KAZ Meil ​​Ruach regularly.
    2. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 14 September 2018 00: 03
      -1
      And why do we consider only Merkava-4, because there are still tanks Merkava-3Baz Dor Dalet 2, and besides, they are also being modernized, equipped with KAZ Meil ​​Ruach, this has already been officially announced by the Israeli Defense Ministry.
  15. cultural post
    cultural post 5 September 2018 12: 13
    +10
    Most likely, the "native walls" will help. In conditions outside the desert, and in forests, swamps, forest-steppe, with a sharply increasing infantry factor, the pronounced armored character of the Merkava will most likely play a cruel joke with it. Also, the advantage in the ATGM launch range will be unobvious. To be honest, I generally have little idea how to shoot a rocket from a tank at a distance of 5 km, let alone 8. As you know, from a vantage point at an altitude of 1.75 m, horizontal visibility is about 4,7 km. to the sky. Theoretically, this is possible when firing from an open position, say, from a hill, but this generally contradicts the theory of tactics for using tanks, and here it is more correct to talk about using just an ATGM from any launcher, and not single combat of tanks.
    1. Black sniper
      Black sniper 5 September 2018 14: 05
      +1
      The difference between 8 and 5 km is huge, it is very difficult to go 3 km under enemy fire to produce a decisive shot.
  16. vladcub
    vladcub 5 September 2018 12: 38
    0
    [quote = Donald72] If these monsters can be so compared then merkava is more beautiful. [/
    It is only children and women who put beauty at the forefront.
    And in my opinion: the "chariot" resembles some kind of a turtle, the T-90 "Vladimir" (named after the creator: Vladimir Potkin) reminds me in profile that a predator with a kind of lazy grace. Something like Bagheera from the Mowgli movie is lazy imposing, and if it is necessary to be understood as an arrow and it is better not to stand in the way, it will come out cheaper, otherwise Karachun is provided. This is my fantasy
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 5 September 2018 12: 45
    0
    Quote: Larum
    garbage to compare, I agree.

    But how solid it sounds: "Merkava4" and T-90MS: who wins? "
  18. vladcub
    vladcub 5 September 2018 13: 11
    -1
    Hypothetical analysis - fortune-telling on the cards: "Chirvovy jacks are pyry, and the lady of spades is a love-lover. Beware of her" and prch crap.
    The author himself has said several times that a lot depends on the crew: if you put olegophrenics in the "Markava", then the very car will be ruined. The commander of the tank unit will be a urak then ordered a memorial service. A bunch of examples from WWII
  19. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 5 September 2018 13: 30
    +6
    The modification of the T-90AM tank for the Russian army can be equipped with some elements of the Afghanit active defense complex. The use of KAZ Arena-E was proposed for the T-90MS export machine
    the keywords here are "may be equipped" and "suggested use". Our serial tanks do not have KAZ, they are on the merkavs, since the range of the Israeli anti-tank guided missiles is about 8 km, and we do not have KAZ, there is nothing further to talk about, everything is clear.
  20. Cetron
    Cetron 5 September 2018 13: 31
    0
    Tanks do not fight tanks! The commander who allowed this to the wall! There are anti-tank vehicles against tanks.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 5 September 2018 13: 41
      +6
      that is, the main threat to a modern tank is ATGM, and we still do not have KAZ tanks, i.e. completely defenseless against the main anti-tank weapon
  21. Mihail28
    Mihail28 5 September 2018 13: 34
    -7
    Did the Jews decide to attack Syria?
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 5 September 2018 15: 17
      +1
      so they are still at war, did not stop attacking .... who is not clear on whom
  22. gorenina91
    gorenina91 5 September 2018 15: 20
    -1
    -I wonder ...- and in relation to Chinese tanks, what "concept" is suitable ..? -Because it is only with the "Merkava" our tank can ... how in an honest duel to go out ...- "one-on-one" ... -... allows the "number" ... -and those and these ...
    -As for the Chinese tanks ... -because .., roughly speaking (in which case) ... 15-20 Chinese tanks will "come out" against one of our tanks at once ...
    -Otherwise it will not work ... -It turns out that our tank "in quality" must surpass the Chinese product ... every 15-20 ...
    -Of course ...- this "Pupkin's arithmetic" is only suitable for "shooting toys" ... -But .., all the same ...- will our tanks be able to stop the avalanche of Chinese tanks ...? - After all, not for the capture of Thailand, the Chinese stamped so many of them ... -And Israel with its custom-made "Merkava" is far from Russia ... -There are these custom-made "Merkavas" and our custom-made "Armats" can fight ...
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 5 September 2018 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: gorenina91
      15-20 Chinese tanks will "go out" against one of our tanks at once ...

      No. Modern tanks - Type 99 - in China about a thousand.
      Quote: gorenina91
      With these piece "Merkavas" our piece "Armats" can fight ...

      The number of Merkav fours in the army is comparable to the number of T-90 in service.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 September 2018 21: 27
      +1
      Quote: gorenina91
      will our tanks be able to stop the avalanche of Chinese tanks

      The infrastructure of the Far East will not be able to provide the "avalanche of tanks" with fuel and ammunition, and China does not have this "avalanche".
    3. PROXOR
      PROXOR 7 September 2018 10: 25
      0
      The presence of a huge number of ATGMs in the Russian Army does not level all this Chinese tank armada, which by the way use the experience on the armor of old vehicles. Only stuffing new engines and electronics inside. In all other respects, there are old-style cars.
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 September 2018 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: gorenina91
      -As for the Chinese tanks ... -because .., roughly speaking (in which case) ... 15-20 Chinese tanks will "come out" against one of our tanks at once ..


      for a very long time the Chinese will have to go to us on trks. soak up
  23. blackwerwolf
    blackwerwolf 5 September 2018 16: 21
    -1
    In terms of brutality and beauty, I have never seen "Tiger" better. And so, the Merkava, of course, looks cosmic, but the T-90ms is cooler. But the best outwardly Leopard-2, in my opinion;)
    1. Bad thing
      Bad thing 6 September 2018 08: 23
      +3
      You're a girl?
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 5 September 2018 16: 41
    +3
    What is the article about? How can we compare what has been fighting for a long time, with what is not and will not be in the near future? What are cuts forehead in forehead? In that is whether the author has played enough? With the usual 90 m, the Chariot in Syria may also clash if it reaches such an extreme.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 42
      0
      I understand you played AW? Where is the author with WOT.
      Do not tell me in which wars that you have been fighting for a long time participated?
      And what is difficult to release something "that is not and will not be in the near future"? No order now is a bit different. And how many years do you give to those who have been at war for a long time, so that they boldly think into the distance?
      This is why it seems to me that the "Chariot" was not built on the basis of meeting something not so modern.
  25. Warrior Spirit
    Warrior Spirit 5 September 2018 21: 25
    -1
    In my opinion, a tank like Merkava is needed by Russia. Discard all T-72 and T-80 from the parts. Leave the T-90 and Merkava. And let's see what our tankers themselves will say. Maybe well, to hell with this Morozov scheme? With a crew sprinkled with gunpowder and surrounded by fuel tanks.
    The mere possibility of transporting a detachment of soldiers in absolute safety and landing them from behind is worth a lot.
    1. gorenina91
      gorenina91 6 September 2018 04: 52
      0
      -It is interesting ...- and where in Merkava the soldiers’s department is located ..? - Why would Merkava better not take more shells and ammunition ...- instead of these soldiers ...
      -Or .., if our T-90 suddenly beats Merkava .., then a whole compartment of soldiers with grenade launchers will come out of it and ... and they will shoot our tank from all sides ...
      -It turns out that it is better for a tank to carry a lot of soldiers with them, so that they then "stand up" for their tank and save it .., and not some kind of "armor" and "protection" .... -Of course ... alive people are always more effective than some kind of "protection" ... -Probably for military operations in the city, on city streets and between houses, it will be especially effective to use such tanks ... -And not so ... as once in Grozny ...
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 7 September 2018 15: 21
        +6
        Quote: gorenina91
        -It turns out that it is better for a tank to carry a lot of soldiers with it, so that they then "stand up" for their tank and save it .., and not some kind of "armor" and "protection".


        landing is an option, instead of frequent BC
        but the rear evacuation hatch is a thing!
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 7 September 2018 10: 22
      -2
      BAGGAGE !!! The first breakthrough, and inside the stuffing is not from 5 people, but from 10.
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 37
        +1
        The first break of what? The main armor of the propulsion system? How frequent are such cases?
    3. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 47
      0
      Reasoning is not a boy but ... sleeping.
      You can find out what part are in service with the Merkava, what would they leave?
      Could you clarify why in the text the author, for the gifted ones, specified who only had Merkava in service?
      And the T-90 has a different scheme than the t-72?
      And can you clarify what your words about absolute security and, in general, the possibility of transporting a soldier’s compartment are based on?
      Isn’t it more efficient to transport soldiers on the means intended for this, and leave the tank an opportunity to do its own thing?
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 8 September 2018 07: 02
        +2
        Quote: Red_Baron
        Isn’t it more efficient to transport soldiers on the means intended for this, and leave the tank an opportunity to do its own thing?


        absolutely correct. in Merkazh made this option primarily after the experience of the problems of evacuation of the wounded and soldiers under fire. Merkava of course no armored personnel carrier
  26. PROXOR
    PROXOR 7 September 2018 10: 19
    0
    The car will win, inside of which there will be a crew with titanium eggs, cold heads and a share of healthy excitement. How Arabs wail we have already seen.
  27. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 7 September 2018 19: 25
    0
    Tanks do not fight tanks! The article is complete nonsense! Author, learn the materiel! A modern tank in a full-scale war will live on the battlefield for 15-20 minutes ... All tankers are suicide bombers! Remember the war 08.08.08 ...
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 35
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Tanks do not fight tanks

      Could you clarify who told you this? And also could you clarify why in the tank tanks means to destroy heavily armored targets?
      You just when you hear a thought, try to understand it first before using it.
      Even if the tank’s task is not to destroy the tanks in the first place, this does not mean that it cannot do this. :)
      Quote: Dzafdet
      A modern tank in a full-scale war will live on the battlefield for 15-20 minutes ... All tankers are suicide bombers! Remember the war 08.08.08 ...

      That is, the fighting on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX was a full-scale war? Ooh.
      But do not tell me how many tankers lived, for example, Abrams during the Iraqi company?
      And could you name the major tank battles during the war 08.08.08/15/20 what could be said about XNUMX-XNUMX minutes?
  28. Red_Baron
    Red_Baron 8 September 2018 01: 28
    0
    Quote: Mauricio
    Yes, all the complexes in Russia will not be enough to block all the routes of approach, do not tell people

    Yah? And what are the routes? MB underground?
    Quote: Mauricio
    it was perfectly shown what would happen to them in case of what

    it's funny. Could you indicate if this was the case? What was this shell made up of and what were its objectives? And then you can damage the F35 with a screwdriver and tell what will happen to them against the locksmith.
    Do not write nonsense.
  29. kplayer
    kplayer 15 September 2018 16: 22
    0
    Not up to date, the T-90MC in the series?
  30. nafanal
    nafanal 8 October 2018 20: 14
    0
    As a former tanker undergoing an urgent emergency in the GDR, the spring suspension instead of the torsion bar is a bit straining. If the T-90 is dashingly jumping from the springboard, then the "arba" is hardly capable of this
  31. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 20 October 2018 01: 18
    0
    Quote: Mauricio
    state with a nuclear triad and the number of warheads from 250 to 500

    Enough panegrics to sing, all the same, in Israel it’s wider and fatter and fatter.
    And carrots, like bearded burned, will burn.

    And the balance needs to be quickly restored, to help the Persians to make their warheads more, and to introduce the correct flight tasks.



    Cornet
    1. Professor
      Professor 11 November 2018 20: 14
      +1
      Quote: Comrade Kim
      Cornet

      Why are you lying? This is a land mine. And Cornet is resting here:

      PS
      And in the first two photos what happened to the tanks? wink
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 15 November 2018 02: 18
        0
        KAZ, for example, worked. That is why tanks now need to be hunted not by two or three, but by the entire squad and it is advisable to beat from one sector.
        1. brigadier
          brigadier 18 November 2018 12: 50
          0
          Quote: sharp-lad
          KAZ, for example, worked. That is why tanks now need to be hunted not by two or three, but by the entire squad and it is advisable to beat from one sector.

          And the tank (s) will (ut) stand and wait someday on them all the squad from one direction shmalnut.
          Of course, the tactics must be changed, especially since the KAZ detects where they fired from, and the tank shell flies faster than the ATGM.