The Atlantic: The main loser in Syria is Israel. His siege has already begun

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In the American edition The Atlantic An article was published on the Syrian military conflict, its development and likely conclusion. The author of the article is David Kenner. According to the observer, the war in the Syrian Arab Republic may end up as you please, but in any case Israel will lose it.

The Atlantic: The main loser in Syria is Israel. His siege has already begun




Kenner writes that a few years ago the Israeli authorities called Assad a "bloody butcher." In particular, the Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman gave such a description to the Syrian President. In 2016, Lieberman declared that Israel’s moral duty is to stop the bloody massacre in Syria, for which Assad is responsible. "Our task is to finish with the butcher Asad, to throw him out."
Such statements by the head of the Israeli military are given in The Atlantic. Kenner compares those statements with the current statements of the same Lieberman.

From the statements of the sample summer of the current year:
Responsible authority appears in Syria. This reduces tensions at the northern borders of Israel.


Kenner notes that Israel is changing rhetoric due to the fact that Assad is well known and predictable. But, according to Kenner, he cooperates with Iran and Hezbollah, and Israel believes that all his (Assad) moves are miscalculated. According to Kenner, Israel decided that Assad was a comfortable figure in Syria.

In the American edition declare that such an approach of the Israeli authorities is a danger to Israel itself. The argument is this: Iran against this background can strengthen its position in Syria, will continue to arm Hizbullah.

Israel’s contacts with Russia are also noted, after which the Israeli rhetoric regarding Assad was softened. As a result, the author (Kenner) concludes that Donald Trump is to blame for everything, who said that the United States is discussing the possibility of withdrawing its main military contingent from Syria.

The article cites the opinion of a retired US Army officer, Michael Eisenstadt (research associate at the Washington Institute for Middle Eastern Policy), who says that Iran will take advantage of this situation and begin to “tighten the noose around Israel’s neck”.

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One goal: to start a siege and take (Israel) to death.
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  1. +3
    31 August 2018 10: 11
    that Iran will take advantage of this situation and begin to tighten the noose around Israel's neck more.


    To survive! feel
    1. +34
      31 August 2018 10: 20
      The main loser in Syria is Israel.

      The topic is not disclosed, what is the loss? Some kind of nonsense.
      1. SSR
        +4
        31 August 2018 11: 47
        Quote: maxim947
        The main loser in Syria is Israel.

        The topic is not disclosed, what is the loss? Some kind of nonsense.

        If Israel had no access to the sea, then it would be possible to dream up real nonsense.
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
        Yeah ... something smoked there in America is incredibly stupefying

        Well, why immediately smoke? Maybe he ate something bad)))
        1. +1
          1 September 2018 17: 45
          It is necessary to have a bite. What nonsense.
          They drove Palestine into the Stone Age? Drove!
          Lebanon drove into the Stone Age? Drove!
          Jordan drove into the Stone Age? Drove.
          Now here in Syria the whole economy is completely destroyed.
          All Israel’s neighbors are being successively destroyed. Only Egypt remained, but this is temporary. So the USA and Israel are the main winners in this conflict.
      2. +11
        31 August 2018 11: 57
        Quote: maxim947
        The main loser in Syria is Israel.

        The topic is not disclosed, what is the loss? Some kind of nonsense.

        If Israel did not support the "Syrian adventure" of the hegemon and did not take part in it in the form of supporting the militants, then on its border there would be the same predictable Syria with an army that does not have sufficient combat experience as before. Syria now has a well-motivated, bombarded and combat-ready army. There would be no military units of Hezbollah and Iran on the territory of Syria, and, moreover, there would not be a question of Iran opening its military base in close proximity to Israel. Now all this is present. It was possible to somehow build a dialogue and coexist relatively peacefully for more than one decade. Israel now has a bunch of hostile players on its border. What "buns" did Israel get from its actions against Syria? None. Some problems that were completely absent before. So I lost.
        1. +3
          31 August 2018 12: 25
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Syria now has a well-motivated, shelled, and combat-ready army.

          if that were so, then neither Iran nor Russia would be present there.
        2. +4
          31 August 2018 12: 26
          Do Syrians have a motivated army ??? - What a twist lol . Without Iranians, hezbollons and the support of the air forces, his entire army is worthless. She never goes to the forefront, but always the second or third wave. And this is against ISIS being beaten from the air, fighting with antediluvian weapons and trophy tanks, which incidentally came to them from the same supposedly motivated army of Assad, who was running dropping the bears from bearded men after the first shot. Without Persians and Hezbollons, even a defeated ISIS will manage Assad in a short period of time.
          Israel needs Assad on the border, who will be responsible for all incidents from Syrian territory, and will restore order on its territory. But if he threatens us, they will neutralize him.
          1. +5
            31 August 2018 14: 26
            You are right, but there is one "but". If Israel is really interested in a peaceful border with Syria, why are you interfering with Assad in his attempts to restore order? You yourself are confused there because of your lies. Therefore, it is better not to give advice to someone, but you should not give advice, since the ego interferes with helping, then at least do not interfere, or at worst, openly declare your interests.
            1. 0
              31 August 2018 16: 06
              Quote: maxim947
              . If Israel is really interested in a quiet border with Syria, then why are you interfering with Assad in his attempts to restore order?

              it would hinder if he covered the whole team at the border with carpet bombardment, and just shows him in his place.
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                    1. -3
                      1 September 2018 11: 41
                      Quote: maxim947
                      I do not offend women, children and poor, go eat a pill and calm down.

                      So I didn’t check it, well, take a handkerchief to wipe the spray, cover your mouth, all people will be less scared.
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          2. +8
            31 August 2018 16: 05
            Well, let's just say, Assad's army entered b / action in 2011 and at that time really did not have enough combat experience. It should be understood that the anti-Assad coalition consisted of more than 60 countries, which sent their instructors and advisers to train the ISIS, planned their operations, supplied them with weapons and shared intelligence. At the same time, some of the ISIS members had not a weak combat experience in Iraq and Libya, from where, by the way, they had not weak weapons. Russia entered the Syrian operation in 2015. If Assad's army did not have motivation, then it is unlikely that it lasted 4 years and most likely, it would have got up on skis and scattered across the sands back in 2011-2012, as the Iraqi army did during the "Desert Storm" by surrendering Hussein ... Now this army has practical, seven-year combat experience.
            Quote: borberd
            Israel needs Assad on the border, who will be responsible for all incidents from Syrian territory, and will restore order on its territory. But if he threatens us, they will neutralize him.
            You see, I NEED it already. To restore order! And why the hell did you help there to arrange a mess? Also wanted to throw a gas pipe through Syria to Europe? Well, they would have thrown with payment of transit, as civilized countries do. So no, you regretted the shekels and decided to ruin the neighboring country, so that for money they would hire small guards to protect the pipes of the same field commanders of the thugs, sending their surplus to sway the Iranian regime.
            1. +2
              1 September 2018 07: 29
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Well, let’s say so, Assad’s army entered combat operations in 2011 and at that time really did not have enough combat experience.


              didn’t have any terms? 1948, 1967, 1973, 1982. is this not an experience?
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              At the same time, one must understand that the anti-Assad coalition consisted of more than 60 countries,

              this fact is more advantage of Syria. cumbersome coalitions tend to fight worse than sales and men but a rigidly centralized army

              Quote: Nyrobsky
              So no, you regretted the shekels and decided to ruin the neighboring country,


              Israel is preferable to deal with Assad than a jihad mob group on the border.
              1. +2
                1 September 2018 16: 41
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                didn’t have any terms? 1948, 1967, 1973, 1982. is this not an experience?

                The experience of course, but not entirely successful. In addition, you yourself understand that a theory without practice is dead. For example, the Saudis are not doing very badly with the armament and supply of the army, but nevertheless they are absolutely lousy fighting with the half-dressed and weakly armed Hussites. CAA was the same, while she pushed around the garrisons and several times a day, between prayers, was supposed to make coffee, she lost all her fighting skills. And when they, during tea (coffee) drinking, were clearly covered from mortars, they realized that they were being killed in the war and those who killed them should be destroyed.
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                (D) cumbersome coalitions tend to fight worse than sales and men but a rigidly centralized army
                I agree. But 60 countries did not fight there, limiting themselves to providing material and financial support in connection with which they were formally among those who counted on dividing the Syrian pie after the fall of the Assad "regime".
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                Israel is preferable to deal with Assad than a jihad mob group on the border.

                Now this is undoubtedly the case. In general, I am for the fact that Israel would move there from the role of a provocateur and instigator to the role of a good neighbor. For Israel, in this case, the Result will be more productive than the one that it has "worked out" to date. hi
                1. +1
                  1 September 2018 16: 48
                  At the expense of Assad .... As a result of our negotiations, we were convinced that he was not an independent unit (which coincides with our desires).
                  Yes, a tricky move, give yourself to divide the world community (Russia, USA, Turkey, Iran).
          3. +3
            31 August 2018 17: 55
            Quote: borberd
            Israel needs Assad on the border ... but if it threatens us, it will be neutralized.

            Cool! Life-affirming! I just hear: "Russia needs Poroshenko on the border (Kachinsky, Grybauskaite, Nazarbayev, Merkel, etc.), but if he threatens us, he will be neutralized." However, this is only allowed for the chosen ones. recourse
          4. +1
            31 August 2018 19: 33
            Quote: borberd
            Israel needs Assad on the border, who will be responsible for all incidents from Syrian territory, and will restore order on its territory. But if he threatens us, they will neutralize him.

            Again this mantra!
            Are you zombied or who bites?
            Even when ISIS thugs and others from Syrian territory bombard you and I assume that everyone knows exactly who, Assad and Syria are to blame.
          5. -1
            31 August 2018 21: 12
            Quote: borberd
            Without Iranians, hezbollons and the support of the air forces, his entire army is worthless. She never goes to the forefront, but always the second or third wave.

            Everything in the world is relative, the Israeli army is worthless against Russia, without the support of the United States, the terrorists are worthless.
          6. Maz
            0
            1 September 2018 11: 44
            Write nonsense,
            Quote: borberd
            Do Syrians have a motivated army ??? - What a twist lol . Without Iranians, hezbollons and the support of the air forces, his entire army is worthless. She never goes to the forefront, but always the second or third wave. And this is against ISIS being beaten from the air, fighting with antediluvian weapons and trophy tanks, which incidentally came to them from the same supposedly motivated army of Assad, who was running dropping the bears from bearded men after the first shot. Without Persians and Hezbollons, even a defeated ISIS will manage Assad in a short period of time.
            Israel needs Assad on the border, who will be responsible for all incidents from Syrian territory, and will restore order on its territory. But if he threatens us, they will neutralize him.

            the Syrian elite joined the army. They are the first to attack the officers and senior officers, carry fighters with them. Generals go on the attack. Shushpanzers became an idea for protecting cheap and angry equipment, our Soviet tanks are equipped with Syrians French night and thermal imaging sights with a range of 4 km on their own. The speed with which the Assad tigers smash Isil in cauldrons is an indisputable indicator of the skill of the Syrian army. You are already groaning at the mention of the S-400 or even the S-300 in Syria. Once these motivated and fired at boys are armed and trained - and the Gollan themselves will fall away from Israel. But by the way, and in general, then let you think so, you’re worse
        3. 0
          31 August 2018 12: 38
          Quote: Nyrobsky

          Syria now has a well-motivated, shelled, and combat-ready army.
          What "buns" did Israel get from its actions against Syria? None. Some problems that were completely absent before. So I lost.

          Can you tell me when the Syrian army will reach the organizational, technical and logistical level of 2011 of the year?
          PS What is Hezbollah in terms of deployed b / d? Is this a paramilitia formation? Iran has been in Syria since 2004.
          So there are no more problems. They just mutated.
          1. -1
            31 August 2018 21: 26
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            So there are no more problems. They just mutated.

            well, yes, treatment of militants daish in Israeli hospitals and hospitals, these are so minor issues of politics ...
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            PS What is Hezbollah ...?

            and there was nothing to turn our backs on the USSR, ran to relatives from Anglo-Saxon possessions — get the full support of the Arabs from another camp.
    2. +9
      31 August 2018 10: 25
      Yeah ... something they smoke in this America is incredibly stupefying and completely enduring the brain, they would say straightforwardly, we will do our best for Israel to fight with Syria until the last Jew, for the benefit of the interests of the United States in the region ... although they so at war with Syria ...
    3. 0
      31 August 2018 18: 01
      hope dies only with the human body.
      "Mother-in-law, dear! You so wanted to be buried under this birch tree! Finally, this morning we bought this place. Get ready for the funeral for dinner!"
  2. +6
    31 August 2018 10: 11
    What nonsense. request
    1. Maz
      +3
      31 August 2018 10: 16
      We must somehow justify the shooting of the tomahawks. So they try.
      1. 0
        31 August 2018 10: 18
        Quote: Maz
        We must somehow justify the shooting of the tomahawks. So they try.

        Oh Maz again changed the flag. lol
        1. +2
          31 August 2018 12: 07
          It's just that Maz has a machine for moving in space, and possibly in time. wink
          1. +2
            1 September 2018 07: 32
            Quote: sabakina
            It's just that Maz has a machine for moving in space, and possibly in time.


            I suspect that Maz has cut the Einstein Rosen bridge.
          2. Maz
            0
            1 September 2018 11: 58
            The plane is called
            Quote: sabakina
            It's just that Maz has a machine for moving in space, and possibly in time. wink
            moreover, ElAl Airlines - gentlemen must be used for the benefit of my Historical Homeland of the USSR-Russia
        2. Maz
          -1
          1 September 2018 11: 51
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Maz
          We must somehow justify the shooting of the tomahawks. So they try.

          Oh Maz again changed the flag. lol
          What, the Jews completely blinded do not notice anything but themselves ?? The site hosted technical events. The checkbox did not change - all questions, gentlemen are special and selected with covers on their heads for the technical management of the site.
    2. +8
      31 August 2018 10: 18
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      One goal: to start a siege and take (Israel) to death.

      One goal: to start a siege and take (Israel) to death.
      this is just nonsense.
    3. +1
      31 August 2018 12: 45
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      What nonsense. request

      Why nonsense? Isn’t Iran fortified in Syria by signing an agreement on military cooperation, so weapons will officially drop in there or are you not from Israel? Iran is already at home in Syria, just someone made it clear that Iran did not go where it was not necessary, but could this stop Iran from supplying arms to the democratic forces of Iran in Syria? And somehow it coincided that the Saudi king began to defend the interests of Palestine ....
      The goal is one: to begin a siege and starve Israel.

      There is a deep meaning, the conflicts at the borders of Israel have not stopped yet, and peace has not been established. So, as groups defending the interests of those who pay for their policies fill up with weapons and money, new shelling will begin ... hi
      ps. Meanwhile, Netanyahu is increasing the military budget, if you want peace, prepare for war ... drinks
  3. 0
    31 August 2018 10: 11
    It smacks of anti-Semitism
    1. +14
      31 August 2018 10: 16
      Quote: Dormidont
      It smacks of anti-Semitism

      Not. It smacks of the abuse of hard drugs by an American journalist and hatred of Trump.
      1. 0
        31 August 2018 12: 56
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Dormidont
        It smacks of anti-Semitism

        Not. It smacks of the abuse of hard drugs by an American journalist and hatred of Trump.

        Gorky went, the American journalist abuses hard drugs, the western coast hutspa is Jewish ...... wassat
    2. Maz
      +3
      31 August 2018 10: 17
      It smacks of organized informational stuffing from the US media.
    3. +5
      31 August 2018 10: 32
      It smacks of idiotism ..
    4. +4
      31 August 2018 10: 51
      Quote: Dormidont
      It smacks of anti-Semitism

      Typical adding fuel to the fire and blaming the "loss" on a neighbor, like: I screwed up, of course, but Israel, it will be very bad ...
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    6. 0
      31 August 2018 11: 26
      Quote: Dormidont
      It smacks of anti-Semitism

      Work well, brother, to achieve a cute hutspa.
  4. +6
    31 August 2018 10: 17
    The article cites the opinion of a retired US Army officer, Michael Eisenstadt (research associate at the Washington Institute for Middle Eastern Policy), who says that Iran will take advantage of this situation and begin to “tighten the noose around Israel’s neck”.
    The Yankees deliberately blow on the fading coals of the conflict, to drive such inflators with BV, only then will there be peace ....
    1. +3
      31 August 2018 11: 31
      There has never been peace in BV, now there is no peace, and there never will be .. Arabs, they are such Arabs, you have a mentality! There will be no strangers in the BV, they will cut each other, which they have repeatedly shown, in a word, robbery and war them in the blood!
  5. +6
    31 August 2018 10: 24
    Well, of course .... Americans need to increase Israel's interest in overthrowing Assad and continuing the war in Syria. Only here in Israel, it seems, they understood one thing - you can agree with Assad and you can get along peacefully, but if reckless bearded boys come to power who are called "opposition to Assad" and which neither the United States nor anyone else can actually control, then they (the bearded boys), after genocidal against their "enemies" inside Syria, will immediately turn their gaze to the Jews nearby. Do the Jews want it? wink
    1. +2
      31 August 2018 11: 42
      Quote: Snail N9
      +2
      Well, I see .... the Americans need to increase Israel’s interest in overthrowing Assad and continuing the war in Syria.

      For me, it’s just the opposite hi
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  7. +4
    31 August 2018 10: 45
    Predictable reaction to improving Israeli relations with Russia to achieve mutual understanding in the region
  8. -2
    31 August 2018 11: 55
    Guys, what did you expect? Uncle Sam is far away and his interest, as it were, will be kept afloat, you are of little interest to him now. And Israel’s neighbors were crap for a long time, it’s time to pay the bills. And if before the USSR had somehow slowed them down, now No one. Yes, and Russia has its own claims. In vain, Stalin and Roosevelt created this state in their time, many would have had no problems.
    1. -1
      31 August 2018 12: 36
      Cool logic. The Soviet Union slowed down the Arabs, supplying them with the most advanced weapons in the tens of billions, and invading Israel. Where in this everything braked, it is not clear.
      1. -1
        31 August 2018 18: 16
        Quote: borberd
        The USSR slowed down the Arabs, supplying them with the most advanced weapons in the tens of billions, and invading Israel
        What are you saying? But was this weapon just lying there, or who was going to use it?
    2. 0
      31 August 2018 13: 34
      Quote: shinobi
      Guys, what did you expect? Uncle Sam is far away and his interest, as it were, will be kept afloat, you are of little interest to him now. And Israel’s neighbors were crap for a long time, it’s time to pay the bills. And if before the USSR had somehow slowed them down, now No one. Yes, and Russia has its own claims. In vain, Stalin and Roosevelt created this state in their time, many would have had no problems.

      Then there was Truman wink And who crap more than anyone - it is not clear, the neighbors on the day of the declaration of independence of Israel by the armies of five countries entered its territory, etc.
  9. +2
    31 August 2018 11: 56
    Strengthening Syria cannot affect Israel in any way. Territorial disputes are not so acute. And the Arabs have nowhere else to wait for support in this matter, never
  10. +3
    31 August 2018 12: 06
    It smacks of anti-Semitism

    It smacks of abuse

    Smacks of organized

    Smacks of idiotism

    Yes, it does not smell, but frankly stinks crying
  11. -5
    31 August 2018 12: 17
    Israel’s contacts with Russia are also noted, after which the softening of Israeli rhetoric regarding Assad took place.

    ... quietly inserted the Jews and left them to always remember ... and punished how to behave further ...
    1. 0
      31 August 2018 22: 40
      and you would not be able to confirm your words with arguments, these - they were quietly inserted to the Jews. And then they themselves are stupid, and then you still focus on them.
      "to always remember." What did you remember, what was "inserted"? Well, those to whom the Israelis have long ago inserted, today are friends with him and even very much. And by the way, that's exactly what they benefit from this friendship.
      I will tell you even more, those countries that are not yet friends, but at the intelligence level, work closely with ShinBet or Mossad, they win the same. For example the UAE or Saudi Arabia.
      there is no need to transfer your contrived "inserted" from a sore head to a healthy one.
      Evaluation and analysis of events in the world, however, like the conclusions, this is not your hobby.
  12. +2
    31 August 2018 12: 22
    Mattresses scare the chosen ones.
  13. +1
    31 August 2018 13: 37
    Meanwhile, Trump (or the same rabble of bankers running the United States) is gathering a kind of "Middle East NATO." If the creation of this "organization" is not idle talk, then it turns out that countries such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain and Egypt will shower Iran with their corpses for the sake of their "God's chosen" masters. What noose around Israel's neck are we talking about?
  14. 0
    31 August 2018 13: 41
    Trump leaked Israel. But this is not scary, Iran has long dreamed of panching for BV). Persians are more profitable for everyone.
    1. 0
      31 August 2018 21: 41
      Quote: shans2
      Trump leaked Israel.

      Is Ivanka divorced? wassat laughing
      Quote: shans2
      Persians are more profitable for everyone.

      Hmm ... Well, not so that everyone ... but not the shitty option. Yes hi
  15. +2
    31 August 2018 14: 19
    One goal: to start a siege and take (Israel) to death.

    Already passed, as a result of which the Arabs received Kumpal, in particular, Syria.
    There are no prerequisites for the opposite, since Israel is a cut above the Arabs, both technologically and technically.
    In BV, only one country can compete with Israel, and that is Turkey.
    1. -3
      31 August 2018 15: 08
      Turkey can only compete with Iran, and then it cannot - Iran has all its energy resources, unlike Turkey). Iran will steer on BV, then Turkey.
  16. 0
    31 August 2018 14: 50
    No matter how much the rope curls, someone will pull the tip.
  17. +3
    31 August 2018 15: 31
    The main winner is Israel, the loser! You decide!
    1. -1
      31 August 2018 18: 21
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The main winner is Israel, the loser! You decide!
      It seems that Israel would always like to be such a loser as it is now. Of the four surrounding countries, with two peace agreements, Syria has been driven 50 years ago by its efforts, and Lebanese enemies shed blood in Syria.
  18. 0
    31 August 2018 17: 47
    "Written by David Kenner" the left madman got to the PS.
    I would first make him confirm the words of Avigdor Lieberman said in 2016. Those. where, to whom and when he said, “Our task is to end the butcher Assad, to throw him out” .. And then sue him ..
    Either this article is blatant trolling or crazy Kenner decided to "reward" Lieberman with a phrase he never uttered.
  19. -1
    31 August 2018 19: 05
    Launched in Google search "2016 to end the butcher Assad" - not a single link leading either to the Israeli site or even to the left.
    In English, David Kinner generally does not associate with the word butcher.
    "David Kenner to put an end to the butcher Assad" showed only two sites in the search: topwar and https://tehnowar.ru
    I will ask a question in Jewish - why?
  20. +2
    31 August 2018 21: 34
    Well, what could Iran threaten a nuclear power with the best and very modern Air Force. What really pulls its troops or proxy troops to the borders of Israel is a war and not Israel will be a loser. Although, because it has strong diplomacy and is able to find loyal allies but the states will have to change. Iran must deal with its own economy and the construction of the armed forces, and not with wars. That's for sure.
  21. 0
    1 September 2018 14: 16
    The main thesis is not confirmed by anything. Israel is the main beneficiary.
  22. +1
    1 September 2018 14: 19
    Ame_rikos again muddy the water

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