One for itself, the other for export. UVZ introduced two "Terminators"

At the Army-2018 international military-technical forum held in Kubinka near Moscow, Uralvagonzavod Corporation presented two support combat vehicles at once tanks (BMPT) “Terminator”, reports “RG”.

One version of the BMPT was presented in line with the Russian advanced military equipment. Together with the BMPT, the Armata T-14, Kurganets-11 BMP and the 25-2 Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Attack Air Defense System were located at the Defense Ministry site. The original version of the Terminator, which was baptized in Syria and was shown to viewers at the Parade on Red Square. It is this version of the BMPT that is currently being mastered by the Russian armed forces.

At another site, the UVZ site, a later version of the Terminator, BMPT-72, was demonstrated along with T-90CM and T-72B3M. This version is intended for export deliveries. According to military experts, this car is waiting for a "brilliant future." The BMPT is equipped with a combat module with two 30-2 XN guns, a PKTM machine gun and a Cornet guided weapon system.

Installed modular dynamic protection and a set of lattice screens. On the BMPT-72 it is possible to install various engines, including the HP 1130 power.

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[Cabbage]

The main thing is that the conveyor works ...

[Jolly oldster sailor]

So this is what it turns out, all the best (a later version of the "Terminator" - BMPT-72) for export (According to military experts, this car has a "bright future".), the rest-yourself?

[Sands Careers General]

It’s easier abroad, but better for us))
There is a pretty serious difference between the two.

[Black sniper]

At another site, the UVZ site, a later version of the Terminator, the BMPT-72, was demonstrated along with the T-90SM and T-72B3M. This version is intended for export supplies. According to military experts, this car has a "bright future".
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Maybe the opposite is true?

[Felix]

Quote: Black Sniper

Terminator "- BMPT-72, which was demonstrated together with the T-90SM and T-72B3M. This version is intended for export. According to military experts, this machine has a" bright future. "
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Maybe the opposite is true?

As I believe, the version for the domestic market is developed and tested first. And then, taking into account the test results, those characteristics are determined that should be degraded, or something, for export. And therefore, the release of the export version later is quite natural.

[marshes]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

It’s easier abroad, but better for us)) There is a rather serious difference between them

One is like a T-90 MS super duper with a complete set of equipment, the other is simpler and closer to real life, whatever you like.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

easier abroad, but better to us))
There is a pretty serious difference between the two.

Another question is which one is better. Terminator-1 on the basis of the T-90, but with 5 (sic!) Crew members - and this, in fact, is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle with a stripped down landing force and an unknown place in the unit’s staff. Terminator-2 (BMPT-72) based on the usual T-72 with a crew of 3 people. Given how many of these machines are in stock, then, in theory, they should be the main option.

[Okolotochny]

What is the difference? Where 5 people - two are arrows of course AGS. Based on the T-72 AGS no.

[Blackgrifon]

The difference is as follows
1. On Terminator-1 (hereinafter referred to as T-1), the commander must control the work of three operators at once: the gunner of the "main caliber" and two operators of the AGS. The history of multi-turret tanks has shown that such a solution is not very successful.
2. The firing sectors of both AGS are fixed and very limited - in fact, only along the front. It was easier to add additional AGS to the main module.
3. Initially, the BMPTs were planned to be crammed into the tank units + there were rumors almost about "leaders for the BMP", etc. At the same time, according to the staff in a tank unit, we have 3 people for each tank, and here there are 5 people. Due to the difference, it will be necessary to come up with a completely new staffing table and introduce it in tank units and subunits. Accordingly, it is possible to stuff such a car into a tank unit, but it will be like in the story with a suitcase - expensive and inconvenient.
4. In addition, the T-1 is a machine based on the T-90 and it must be assembled from scratch - it is better to upgrade the old T-90 to the level of T-90M. But 72e take from warehouses, capital and upgrade to the BMPT-72 level. As a result, with the same efficiency, the cost will be slightly less.

[cariperpaint]

And who said she is better?

[Sands Careers General]

"She", who is this?))

[cariperpaint]

Later version)))

[Sands Careers General]

The fact of the matter is that it is not better))

For export, a slightly different machine goes than the one that is in the Russian troops, simpler

[Jolly oldster sailor]

Military experts in the article, damn it! At least, as I understood from the text of the article, but I was already convinced by the answer to my comments that the inhabitants of VO are more inclined to believe than articles in the media. For this, we gathered here, who don’t understand what, those who know ...

[cariperpaint]

You just said all the best for export, the rest to yourself. I asked who said 72 is better)))

[Eragon]

For this, we are here and gathered, to whom it is not clear, those who know will answer ...

Sorry, but those who do not know anything will answer. Those who know are under huge subscriptions and will not write a single letter from their knowledge. And we can only guess and fantasize.

[Nikolai]

The one that we checked in Syria, it’s like it’s based on the T-90, and for export it’s on the basis of the T-72 ... and what kind of customer wants to fasten the weapons, they will discuss it when ordering ...

[senima56]

Really! What a "madhouse" ?!

[Grits]

So it turns out that all the best (a later version of the "Terminator" - BMPT-72) for export (According to military experts, this machine is waiting for a "bright future".), The rest for yourself?
And who told you that the later version is better. For me, the first option is much better. Firstly, he has a plus to everything in addition 2 grenade launchers. This pretty much increases firepower. And it was created on the basis of a newer T-90 than BMPT-72. Which, as the name implies, will be made from the platform of ready-made T-72s.

[andrey-ivanov]

Grenade launchers have a very limited sector of fire and only at the direction of the machine. Why the hell are they needed there, given that each is controlled by an individual crew member, it is not clear. In addition, for a machine based on the T-90, you need to build them from scratch or re-equip them from the machines in service, and there are not many in the Russian army in the 90s. But the T-72 in storage is still full.

[marshes]

Yes, change the name to Alabay, because BMPT performs these functions.

[Cabbage]

Quote: marshes

Yes, change the name to Alabay, because BMPT performs these functions.

Is Kazakhstan going to buy? Or do you have super developments .. Here, in your territory, you would conduct large-scale exercises together with China in the future .. All the same, 2/3 of the territory is empty and overgrown with feather grass (locusts would be crushed by tanks ..)))

[marshes]

Quote: Koal

Is Kazakhstan going to buy?

We bought and use it for a long time at the exercises and now the only ones who officially have them in service .. And we came to the conclusion that there are two superfluous, therefore, to reduce the cost and organize the assembly at home, we offered UVZ to make the module easier and on the T-72 chassis .

Quote: Koal

Anyway, 2 \ 3 of the territory is empty and overgrown with feather grass (locusts would be crushed by tanks ..)))

Meehan?

[Cabbage]

Quote: marshes

.And they came to the conclusion that there are two superfluous, therefore, in order to reduce the cost and organize the assembly at home, we offered UVZ to make the module easier and on the T-72 chassis.

And where does such confidence come from? Did you have exercises there or were there military operations?
Well, swamps, some show-offs .. Look there, as if the massacre had not begun .. You are disturbing everyone.

[marshes]

Quote: Koal

And where does such confidence come from? Did you have exercises there or were there military operations?

So yours followed all the stages of operation, even accepted our conclusion on these machines. By the way, they are even cooler than your initial ones, on the stuffing-optoelectronic, etc. and more expensive. We came to the conclusion that while they go as command vehicles, guards, Sturm-S platoon, followed by Chrysanthemum-S.

Quote: Koal

Well, swamps, some show-offs .. Look there, as if the massacre had not begun .. You are disturbing everyone.

You are most worried.

[nikoliski]

Do not worry - China, having a country with a population less than in the city of Beijing (there is 22 million, and in the whole of Kazakhstan - 18 million) sooner or later "will conduct exercises there", it is enough for people to come to power there with the manners of Genghis Khan and China " such teachings "otrohaet that Hitler's invasion will seem to all of us a joke fireworks (the largest nation on the planet, which has an extra 200 million unmarried men who have nowhere to put them)

[Black sniper]

I completely agree with you, Terminator and Basurmanin cut the ear, it's not Russian, it's all foreign from the "nasty"!

[Cabbage]

Quote: Black Sniper

I completely agree with you, Terminator and Basurmanin cut the ear, it's not Russian, it's all foreign from the "nasty"!

I agree .. Now everything is called and stifled by the Russian soul according to foreign language!
What is the name "terminator" ..? Would call "mikhalych" at least ..)))
Top managers are pushed out .. Oh Russia!

[marshes]

Quote: Koal

Would call "mikhalych" at least ..)))

And where will Doolin be?

[Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations]

Quote: marshes

And where will Doolin be?

And Doolin - for export! To Europe

[Black sniper]

I read that 57mm guns which will also be tested in Syria will be installed on some batches of Terminators.

[cariperpaint]

At least the layout would be shown on the forum

[max702]

Quote: Black Sniper

I read that 57mm guns which will also be tested in Syria will be installed on some batches of Terminators.

The best option for BMPT is "Bakhcha-U" in a tank tower with a DUMB on the tower under the control of the commander .. In the USSR, they did not keep fools in these matters, and the choice of weapons for promising samples was not taken from the ceiling, 30mm did not suit due to the low high-explosive and armor-piercing effect, 57mm due to the low high-explosive and small ammunition load .. There was no technological possibility to put a submarine gun on the tower .. Today it is all there ..

[Strashila]

"30mm did not suit because of the low high-explosive and armor-piercing effects," ... for that he did according to the density of fire.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Strashila

for that he arranged according to the density of fire.

I agree that Shilka is not in vain in Afghanistan and in Syria, and continues to be used. 57mm does not differ in such density of fire.

[max702]

Quote: Strashila

"30mm did not suit because of the low high-explosive and armor-piercing effects," ... for that he did according to the density of fire.

Everything is so, but in order to increase the high-explosive / armor-piercing effect, a 100mm barrel was added .. It turned out to be an almost perfect combination, here there is a small caliber, and a high-speed very powerful cannon, and a launcher which both as a mortar and how an ATGM can work without dawn modules "Bakhcha- y "are sold in large quantities to equip a wide variety of equipment ..

[Proton]

Well, what kind of export is it, the one that is prettier or the one that is “balder”?
In general, the impression is created that under NATO, undermining with UVZ technology is persistently undermining.

[tank64rus]

Life will show which is better and more practical.

[APASUS]

I can’t remember where I saw a variant of the BMPT Terminator with a 57 mm gun of the Baikal combat module, in place of the pair of two 30 mm

[marshes]

Quote: APASUS

I can’t remember where I saw a variant of the BMPT Terminator with a 57 mm gun of the Baikal combat module, in place of the pair of two 30 mm

The whole jamb of 57 that the ammunition will be located inside the armored space. Therefore, we abandoned Baikal for Barys, and for BMPT-72 is not an option, only for Armat.

[cariperpaint]

On t 15)))) well, or in the pictures, although I have not met bmpt yet

[poquello]

Quote: APASUS

I can’t remember where I saw a variant of the BMPT Terminator with a 57 mm gun of the Baikal combat module, in place of the pair of two 30 mm

30mm 2A42 is good of course, but IMHO it's time to increase the range, maybe as an option with 57mm they started to work

[marshes]

Quote: poquello

30mm 2A42 is good of course, but IMHO it's time to increase the range, maybe as an option with 57mm they started to work

30 is enough, you just have to do it as planned with a programmable detonation. After all, there is an induction rim on the trunks of the Panzer. The range in FIG has not rested, just 2 km.

[poquello]

Quote: marshes

Quote: poquello

30mm 2A42 is good of course, but IMHO it's time to increase the range, maybe as an option with 57mm they started to work

30 is enough, you just have to do it as planned with a programmable detonation. After all, there is an induction rim on the trunks of the Panzer. The range in FIG has not rested, just 2 km.

hmm, then 2km (well, not 2km, 4 kilometers) and then 12km (6 km, respectively), that is, for 5km that is what the doctor ordered

[Ingvar 72]

At long range missiles work.

[Corn]

"Gloomy Ural genius".
Why a spark from "thirty", for what purposes is one 2a42 not enough, but enough fire from 2 cannons?
The same memory 2 23 is preferable to look like an anti-personnel combat module (therefore, it is popular among barmaley from all sides of the conflict).
Russia has bottomless stocks of old tanks, which are best converted into highly protected infantry fighting vehicles (with adequate access, through the ramp in the stern, without doing balancing act through the roof), and not produce exarc machine gun tanks with dubious effectiveness and role in modern conflicts.

[Mih1974]

Developers rubbed something about "two different ammunition" but why the hell, I still did not understand. In theory, this is a brutally armored and with good optics "shaitan-mobile". But I just did not understand one thing - why she was left without KAZ, it seems that the whole world has already realized that without KAZ armored vehicles are "not a tenant".

[rtutaloe]

All talk about nothing. The terminator will only become a full-fledged tank support machine when its twin guns have an elevation angle like that of anti-aircraft guns. Then this thing can work not only against enemy grenade launchers, but also against helicopters, attack aircraft and other good. It would be really powerful support for tanks, and so - a contraption for the fight against barmales, no more. At the same time, it would be desirable for the combat module to rotate adequately, and there would be a complex of active protection not only for itself, but also for the neighboring tanks. This would make it possible to abandon the infantry as support for tanks in battle and save the lives of soldiers who could be transported to the BMP only later, directly to the enemy’s buildings. And so - a toy that is not clear why it was created. Not all the same, only Torah to bring down enemy aircraft.

[Rocj]

I wonder what kind of control does the mechanic have? comfortable?

[Rocj]

Quote: rtutaloe

This would make it possible to abandon the infantry as support for tanks in battle and save the lives of soldiers,

well said, but I think the coming decades, it is impossible to abandon the infantry ((

[serg.shishkov2015]

The latest issue of T&V gives an explanation of this - BMPT-72 is essentially an MBT with light weapons, with the withdrawal from the AG-17 armament, only one channel of fire remained and the surveillance capabilities of the battlefield decreased, on the BMPT there were 3 fire channels and 2 additional observation channel, actually for this purpose it was created,

[Cympak]

As they say from the TV: "Cornet" is our ALL in the field of ATGM ".
But the BMPT and BMPT-72 are equipped with a supersonic "Attack" and the BMPT is not compatible with the Tula "products".

[DimerVladimer]

In general, such a platform should carry at least a pair of two 57 mm automatic guns. Since 30 mm guns are effective in manpower (ATGM operators) up to 4000 m, and 57 mm up to 5000-5500 m