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Shoigu: the Ministry of Defense will sign a contract for a new KAMAZ-7950 for the PGRK

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Russian mobile soil missile systems (PGRK) can move to a new car base. The new tractors developed by KamAZ for strategic missile systems have successfully completed state tests, reports Warspot with reference to TASS.


Shoigu: the Ministry of Defense will sign a contract for a new KAMAZ-7950 for the PGRK


Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on this occasion that the state tests of the new KamAZ-7950 tractor were successful and are currently working to “link” the missiles to the tractor. The minister explained that this is not a quick deal, and it is imperative to shift the missiles from one platform to another. Work in this direction is going well, Shoigu said and added that the Defense Ministry plans to sign a contract for a new tractor next week.

For the first time, the development of a Russian tractor for strategic missile systems under the Platform-O project was announced at the Army-2015 international forum. The program envisaged the creation of a whole family of vehicles to be used in the troops as towers of strategic missile systems (including heavy ones) for transporting military equipment, carriers of mobile hostels, communications centers, command posts and headquarters. The new KAMAZ-7950 with 16 × 16 wheel formula and 85 t loading capacity was developed as part of this project.

In the Russian army, carriers of the Minsk Automobile Plant are currently being used as carriers of the missile systems, to which the Russian military had claims due to low cornering stability. The Russian car in this sense is unique: it has all-wheel steering and the tractor can even move sideways.

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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT 29 August 2018 16: 53
    -2
    Category B is suitable if I take to the country, well, there is fishing, firewood ...?
    1. My doctor
      My doctor 29 August 2018 17: 09
      +18
      Russia is becoming more independent from Belarus. MZKT can be written off as scrap in a couple of years. So Belarus will have less gas and metal consumption. In the future, Gazprom will not have to finance Lukashenko, which will favorably affect the growth of living standards of the Russian population.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 29 August 2018 17: 11
        +8
        Everything can be up to the phrase
        favorably affect the growth of living standards of the population of Russia
        It sounds fantastic, if only individual, god-chosen citizens.
      2. Vita vko
        Vita vko 29 August 2018 17: 35
        +29
        Quote: MyVrach
        Russia is becoming more independent from Belarus. MZKT can be written off as scrap in a couple of years.

        MZKT sends 90% of its products to Russia. And the Russian government for many years persuaded Lukashenko to sell this plant, since its products are of strategic importance. But Lukashenko once again chose to engage in blackmail. As a result, 40 thousand people of MZKT and related organizations will soon be left without work.
        1. Nashensky city
          Nashensky city 29 August 2018 18: 37
          +10
          Luka chose to raise the price, since he felt Russia’s dependence on this - 3 billion dollars, despite the fact that such a plant could be put cleanly in the steppe for a couple of lard. Now let them sow the MZKT products wherever they want, because the Russian Federation does not need it anymore. And dad lost a lot because of his greed.
        2. Adimius38
          Adimius38 29 August 2018 21: 58
          -4
          while in Russia there is such a government and in high posts such as Serdyukov and Chubais it is better to keep production away from Russian hands.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 August 2018 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: Adimius38
            while in Russia there is such a government and in high posts such as Serdyukov and Chubais it is better to keep production away from Russian hands.

            Already held - in Nikolaev or Zaporizhia. Complete garbage turned out.
            Do you want to go over the rake again - when, once again, in response to requests to abide by the agreements signed by him, But father remembers the sovereign state and turns back to Europe, back to Russia?
      3. neri73-r
        neri73-r 29 August 2018 17: 41
        +15
        They would sell the plant to our Ministry of Defense, everything would be fine! And to have a factory owned by the state and use it for political and economic blackmail of our leadership, no, thank you, you have to strain and do your own thing, as the KAMAZ showed! hi Say thanks to the Old Man, you have a factory, now we do not pretend to it either. By the way, here on the resource there was a detailed article about the MZKT, Lukashenko, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation, where the causes and effect are described in detail.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 August 2018 20: 09
          +8
          Quote: neri73-r
          They would sell the plant to our Ministry of Defense, everything would be fine! And to have a factory owned by the state and use it for political and economic blackmail of our leadership, no, thank you, you have to strain and do your own thing, as the KAMAZ showed! hi Say thanks to the Old Man, you have a factory, now we do not pretend to it either. By the way, here on the resource there was a detailed article about the MZKT, Lukashenko, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation, where the causes and effect are described in detail.

          But their Kurgan (KZKT named after Karbyshev) was rebuilt into a super-duper shopping center. fool
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 29 August 2018 22: 33
            +3
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: neri73-r
            They would sell the plant to our Ministry of Defense, everything would be fine! And to have a factory owned by the state and use it for political and economic blackmail of our leadership, no, thank you, you have to strain and do your own thing, as the KAMAZ showed! hi Say thanks to the Old Man, you have a factory, now we do not pretend to it either. By the way, here on the resource there was a detailed article about the MZKT, Lukashenko, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation, where the causes and effect are described in detail.

            But their Kurgan (KZKT named after Karbyshev) was rebuilt into a super-duper shopping center. fool

            And who said that we have few fools and pests? Yes, and it was when.
        2. Adimius38
          Adimius38 29 August 2018 21: 56
          -1
          you're really funny. Lukashenko I must say thank you for the fact that he kept first-class production from the Russian crook yes thieves
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 29 August 2018 22: 39
            +8
            Quote: inAdimius38
            you're really funny. Lukashenko I must say thank you for the fact that he kept first-class production from the Russian crook yes thieves

            The prankster is not me, not even you, but Lukashenko. Saved, let it be enjoyed, be glad, but only chickens in the fall count! hi what to produce and how to produce should be decided not by the state and the Old Man, but by the customer, and he will invest money! But it turns out that it’s dad’s decision, and not my RF, in short, find an article on Va, everything is written there for people like you. stop
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 29 August 2018 22: 45
              +4
              The article is called - MZKT: you can’t close it! Oleg Egorov author.
            2. Adimius38
              Adimius38 29 August 2018 23: 06
              -3
              And do you want to decide Mo RF on the territory of Belarus))) really prankster. Lukashenko saved and we use, so I repeat once again go better tell him thanks. Can the customer place orders anywhere and with anyone, or do you have any problems with this? Personally, I don’t see any difficulties in placing an order for certain military equipment and equipment in Belarus, WHAT the RF Ministry of Defense has done very well. Since our countries are allies, based on world experience, there is nothing wrong with mutual procurement for the needs of the Defense Ministry of both countries. For example, the United States purchases KAZ in Israel for its armored vehicles, Belarus purchases our Yak-130, so then why is it bad if Russia purchases Belarusian multi-wheeled tractors. Or we can’t do this on equal terms, of course we need to snatch everything ready, make friends on barbecue and shoveling money on public procurement, and then we still wonder why we have a failure of the state defense order for a variety of military products
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 30 August 2018 10: 54
                +2
                Quote: Adimius38
                you're really funny. Lukashenko I must say thank you for the fact that he kept first-class production from the Russian crook yes thieves

                YOU better read the articles of smart people and be able to communicate politely yourself! hi watch your post and do not poke first.
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 30 August 2018 10: 56
                  +1
                  And if you disagree with something, write a reasoned article, I only expressed agreement with the opinion of O. Egorov, set forth in his article.
              2. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 August 2018 10: 55
                +3
                Quote: Adimius38
                Personally, I do not see any difficulties in placing an order for certain military equipment and equipment in Belarus, WHAT the RF Ministry of Defense very successfully did.

                Our MO successfully placed orders and in Ukraine. And in Germany. You know the result.
                Quote: Adimius38
                Since our countries are allies, based on world experience, there is nothing wrong with mutual procurement for the needs of the defense ministries of both countries.

                Can you tell me what critical products for the US strategic nuclear forces are purchased abroad? wink
                It’s not about serial production for conventional forces that can be bought anywhere — the same Yak-130 has an Italian counterpart. We are talking about unique launchers for ICBMs produced at a single plant, any failure to supply which leaves half of the new ICBMs without a chassis.
                1. utyutkin
                  utyutkin 30 August 2018 17: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Our MO has successfully placed orders in Ukraine. And in Germany. You know the result.

                  but please explain what does Germany and Ukraine have to Belarus for the republic? do you even understand that you are shifting from a sore head to a healthy one?
                  all these articles are FALSE!
                  MZKT never let the Russians down. everything was delivered on time and on time. and they didn’t twist anyone’s hands and certainly didn’t blackmail.
                  By the way, not one plant bought in Russia in Belarus did not go through modernization. stupidly kill old equipment and pay people a penny for work. don’t believe it, look at Integral. what to say about Belarusian plants, you stupidly kill your plants in the regions, all the money goes to Moscow without any modernization and people get a penny.
                  and at the price of MZKT is definitely cheaper than the KAMAZ "analogue"
                  in terms of reliability and patency all the more.
                  let them show how this platform is talking about off-road at full load.
                  if this is a Tatar miracle (not a camel but rides), God forbid, he will join the troops, then they will become stationary from mobile complexes.
                  but if you still have to go not on the autobahn, then you need to send 3 KamAZs with bolts behind it :)
                  and still try to explain because I see that you do not understand :) everyone imagines the plant as a kind of plant that produces tractors invented in the USSR.
                  in fact, about 5 research institutes of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Bashkortostan work at the MSCT. in which the development of new tractors and trucks is underway, as well as the technological update of the plant and other plants.
                  therefore it has such outstanding results and such a rich assortment of products. who doesn’t believe there is a website and go see for sure.
                  in general, I deeply sympathize with those who will serve this "technique" this horror flying on wheels :) ordinary KAMAZ trucks suck and then they started to make special equipment :)
                  And at prices, etc. I generally keep quiet. get ready Russians for the dollar for 80 rubles.
                  and about the fact that the Americans do not produce anything for their nuclear forces abroad, please provide a list of suppliers. and we'll see if there are American companies alone :)
                  and even when you write the military budget, do not forget to add 3 billion dollars to it. You do not need to hide them in the automotive industry.
                  1. Astoria
                    Astoria 30 August 2018 22: 01
                    +1
                    Ututyulkin even if you create 100500 new accounts telling how everything in Belarus is fluffy and fluffy, no one believes this for a long time.

                    About what advanced equipment in Belarus everyone has already seen and laughed after visiting your agronomist Orsha tool factory.




                    I do not want to comment on your bare-faced subcasserole for Russia bile, the same as spending time communicating with cockroaches. hi
                    1. utyutkin
                      utyutkin 31 August 2018 11: 01
                      0
                      Quote: Astoria
                      Ututyulkin, even if you create 100500 new accounts telling about how everything in Belarus is fluffy and fluffy, no one believes this for a long time.

                      Well, I already said - "ENOUGH TO LIE"! I have one acc.
                      But about the Orsha plant, do not be lazy and go to the plant closest to you and compare its shops with torn wiring and looted equipment with torn out wiring and looted by homeless people and feel the difference! and by the way, the Orsha plant is in the most deplorable state in the whole country. that's why the president went there and promised to solve the issue and will decide! but about the reliability of the platform "o" link
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gld_AGos9lc&feature=youtu.be обратите внимание на явный сбой в работе колес 3й и 4ой осей. вот то о чем я и говорил! и самое удивительное что такая техника прошла все испытания :)))))).
                      and about talking with cockroaches, so this is my friend you need to see a doctor. :)))
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWq99lpjZCM
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 31 August 2018 13: 39
                    0
                    Quote: ututyulkin
                    but please explain what does Germany and Ukraine have to Belarus for the republic?

                    And despite the fact that all these states were perceived as reliable partners. In general, Ukraine was just another "brotherly nation" a few years ago.
                    Quote: ututyulkin
                    MZKT never let the Russians down. everything was delivered on time and on time. and they didn’t twist anyone’s hands and certainly didn’t blackmail.

                    Zorya-Mashproekt and Motor Sich too. Until a certain time.
                    Once again - the production of complexes for the Strategic Missile Forces cannot depend on imports - the story with Yuzhmash and the decommissioned missile-free SSBNs of pr. 941 is an example of this. Especially if this import comes from a state whose head regularly blames Russia for all the troubles of his country.
                    And judging by your fraternal statements in this thread, transferring the production of chassis for PGRK to a Russian plant is an absolutely right decision. smile
                  3. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 31 August 2018 14: 23
                    0
                    Quote: ututyulkin
                    and still try to explain because I see that you do not understand :) everyone imagines the plant as a kind of plant that produces tractors invented in the USSR.
                    in fact, about 5 research institutes of the Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Bashkortostan work at the MSCT. in which the development of new tractors and trucks is underway, as well as the technological update of the plant and other plants.
                    therefore it has such outstanding results and such a rich assortment of products. who doesn’t believe there is a website and go see for sure.

                    Well, since the MZKT is so wonderful, what’s the problem? There will be no order from Russia - you will supply your outstanding results and a wide range of products to other countries.
      4. NKT
        NKT 29 August 2018 19: 56
        +3
        But will Kamaz have enough power to produce it in sufficient quantities for the army? And where to get spare parts for current cars?
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 August 2018 20: 02
      0
      Quote: MoJloT
      Category B is suitable if I take to the country, well, there is fishing, firewood ...?

      I propose to roll my lips on curlers
    3. Kunica
      Kunica 30 August 2018 21: 43
      0
      Your own refinery is right for you if you buy it. There, probably, engine oil of 15 liters + various transmission fluids 20-30 + liters 20 liters of antifreeze + hydraulics liters ... I'm afraid to assume. I served at 8 * 8 there was a expense of some 120 to 100. So take it. Take two - they will make a discount lol
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 29 August 2018 17: 01
    +8
    Now we have to drive into a citizen. conversion. for outsized, special loads.
    I hope the wheels are not secret and Algeria-Egypt, we will sell Lamerica with Africa.
    the production of the second redistribution warms the soul.
    what was he called? - "big Tatar"?
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 29 August 2018 17: 04
      +1
      Oka nekst. (concept development)
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 29 August 2018 17: 05
        0
        so is it 3-door? how did the cracker
    2. ZVO
      ZVO 29 August 2018 19: 25
      -3
      Quote: antivirus
      Now we have to drive into a citizen. conversion. for outsized, special loads.
      I hope the wheels are not secret and Algeria-Egypt, we will sell Lamerica with Africa.
      the production of the second redistribution warms the soul.
      what was he called? - "big Tatar"?

      Okst ... what citizen?
      Have you ever seen the needs for such devices in civilian life?
      They are zero!
      And never will be.
  3. ANCIENT
    ANCIENT 29 August 2018 17: 17
    +1
    And BAZ, as I understand it, rested in a wagon train? And why exactly KAMAZ? ?? Or is it like with the concern Su, when I’ve settled the conductor, all the eggs in one basket? ??
    1. Blue fox
      Blue fox 29 August 2018 17: 25
      +5
      BAZ is now engaged in a chassis for air defense, but recently the director has again been replaced and the factory workers are depressed.
    2. 11 black
      11 black 29 August 2018 17: 29
      +16
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And BAZ, as I understand it, rested in a wagon train? And why exactly KAMAZ? ?? Or is it like with the concern Su, when I’ve settled the conductor, all the eggs in one basket? ??

      Baz is engaged in tractors for C-400.
      PS And how many hayala Platform-O, how many attacks on the fan in its relation - do not count. However, KamAZ coped with it - it developed a much more modern machine than the MZKT tractor - and this despite the fact that for KamAZ such a machine was an absolutely new direction of work (this can be considered Lukashenko's answer on the topic "Do we have brains?", Which, in his opinion, , we do not) - KamAZ has something to praise.
      MZKT is a pity - but we did everything to save it - if "Batko" did not go to outright extortion and blackmail, then Russia would buy out this plant.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 August 2018 17: 33
      +10
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And BAZ, as I understand it, rested in a wagon train?

      It has already been explained more than once that BAZ and new tractors are cars from different weight categories. Like KamAZ and GAZ-66, for example.
      The largest BAZ "on itself" carries 40 tons (the semi-trailer can pull 70 tons).
      Those. Bryansk machine is not for strategists, but for the air defense, the OTRK just right. And the semitrailer with the tank will pull not only along the highway, but it’s not enough to carry the Topol.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 August 2018 17: 37
      +11
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And BAZ, as I understand it, rested in a wagon train?

      BAZ has never been involved in the chassis for PGRK. Its ceiling is 40 tons.
      BAZ is now part of the Almaz-Antey and is busy with the transfer of the AA defense systems to its wheelbase. So far, it has not been possible to completely switch to its base at "AA" - the S-400 complex has a chassis for radar and self-propelled launchers still MZKT. But PU-semi-trailers tractors are already BAZ.
    5. Aibolit
      Aibolit 29 August 2018 17: 56
      0
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And why exactly KAMAZ? ?? Or is it like with the concern Su, when I’ve settled the conductor, all the eggs in one basket? ??

      And who else has a wife (Kogogina, Alfiya Gumarovna) a State Duma deputy?
      9 years, from 2002 to 2011, she worked at KAMAZ, first as Director for Leasing and Sales Development, then as General Director of KAMAZ Leasing Company


      KAMAZ General Sergei Kogogin, who, together with his wife, State Duma deputy Alfiya Kogogina, knocks out all possible benefits to the plant:
      -compensation of the utilization fee, through the state guarantee of loans,
      -freezing old Japanese debt
      -and traditionally through subsidizing state purchases of equipment for the needs of utilities, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other departments.
      Quote: 11 black
      However, KamAZ managed - it developed a much more modern machine than the MZKT tractor - and despite the fact that such a machine was a completely new area of ​​work for KamAZ

      It was worth the crazy money:
      R&D "Platform" needed money, and the Head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate (GABTU) Ershov in the fall of 2008 closed all the other R&D automotive topics in one fell swoop, and redirected the money from them to KAMAZ

      The saddest thing is that the topic "Natural woman", within the framework of which it was supposed to create motor-transmission units, including for SKSh, is also closed.
      The result on KamAZ-7950

      -Detroit Diesel engine, power - 675 kW (918 hp)
      -Chinese Weichai (WEICHAI POWER 12M33) with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
      -Liebherr with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
      write
      All tractors of the Platform family have fully domestic engines with power from 850 to 1 thousand hp KamAZ production. The machines have an electric transmission gearbox that is directly connected to the electric motors in each wheel of the machine.

      modestly silent what and who produces
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 29 August 2018 19: 53
        +5
        Ivan Arnoldovich, the professor already told you not to read the Soviet newspapers before dinner, even if there are no others.

        And who else has a wife (Kogogina, Alfiya Gumarovna) a State Duma deputy?
        9 years, from 2002 to 2011, she worked at KAMAZ, first as Director for Leasing and Sales Development, then as General Director of KAMAZ Leasing Company


        KAMAZ General Sergei Kogogin, who, together with his wife, State Duma deputy Alfiya Kogogina, knocks out all possible benefits to the plant:
        -compensation of the utilization fee, through the state guarantee of loans,
        -freezing old Japanese debt
        -and traditionally through subsidizing state purchases of equipment for the needs of utilities, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and other departments.
        That is, for an enterprise that employs more than 30 people, not counting related plants and which is part of ROSTEKH (a corporation with a turnover of 000 trillion rubles) - the deputy lobby lobbying - fool Ivan Arnoldych, take a word - these guys do not even need deputies for their wives. laughing


        It was worth the crazy money:
        R&D "Platform" needed money, and the Head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate (GABTU) Ershov in the fall of 2008 closed all the other R&D automotive topics in one fell swoop, and redirected the money from them to KAMAZ
        The saddest thing is that the topic "Natural woman", within the framework of which it was supposed to create motor-transmission units, including for SKSh, is also closed.
        The result on KamAZ-7950
        Crazy is how much? Or is it such a large figure that even the imagination cannot comprehend. Is it more expensive or cheaper than the $ 3 billion that Luka asked for his factory. I think you don’t know, because you reposted the auto catalog.

        The result on KamAZ-7950

        -Detroit Diesel engine, power - 675 kW (918 hp)
        -Chinese Weichai (WEICHAI POWER 12M33) with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
        -Liebherr with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
        write
        All tractors of the Platform family have fully domestic engines with power from 850 to 1 thousand hp KamAZ production. The machines have an electric transmission gearbox that is directly connected to the electric motors in each wheel of the machine.


        Are there three engines or one? Do not know on the auto catalog did not write, sorry! Does the MZKT put its engines? Why are they building a plant in Belarus for the production of WEICHAI engines, want to replace YaMZ?

        Ivan Arnoldovich needs facts, facts. And to tear other people's conjectures under the guise of their own - well then ...
        1. Aibolit
          Aibolit 29 August 2018 21: 25
          -3
          That is, for an enterprise that employs more than 30 people, not counting related plants, and which is part of ROSTEH (a corporation with a turnover of 000 trillion rubles), the deputy lobby

          you do not twist the temple for nothing, and try to read the phrase and comprehend
          LOBBYING -
          actions of state bodies, legislative, executive, and judicial authorities aimed at supporting certain sectors and sectors of the economy of regions, enterprises, social groups, dictated not by objective necessity, but by interest, sometimes by bribing officials. Lobbyists, represented by representatives of the authorities, assist their wards in obtaining profitable government orders, loans, assistance, benefits, licenses, favorable conditions for economic and commercial activity, in creating and registering new organizations, and in suppressing competitors.

          and where does
          corporation with a turnover of 1 trillion rubles

          ?
          Lockheed Martin Corporation. 2016 turnover of $ 47 (I'm afraid to get confused at the zeros, multiply by 248-000, your trillion will seem pathetic)
          for 2013-2014 the company allocated $ 30 million to Republicans, while for the 2015-2016 election campaigns. a record low of $ 18 million was sent. However, Lockheed Martin still holds the largest focus in Congress, with 380 members and 69 senators.

          According to the Center for Responsible Policies, Chevron invested $ 2014 million in Republican candidates from 2016 to 32, and Exxon Mobil $ 47 million.
          About Kogogin, Alfiya Gumarovna ... ask about the government’s decree on the collection of utilization fees. Fiction, 3 months and 3 readings.
          Quote: Astoria
          Is it more expensive or cheaper than the $ 3 billion that Luka asked for his factory.

          I think cheaper, however:
          ROC "Platform-O" - prototypes of the first batch should have been released for preliminary tests at the end of 2012, and now 2018
          one thing is a finished factory with a product range + maintenance base. Other OCD
          "Platform-KTEO-2" / "Platform-KENRK" / "Platform-EPNS" / KTEO-3 / KTEO-4, etc.
          Quote: Astoria
          I think you don’t know, because you reposted the auto catalog.

          So repost at least SOMETHING (or read the definition of lobbying
          Are there three engines or one?

          on which copy?
          And to tear other people's conjectures under the guise of their own - well then ...

          Dirk Astorovich ... SO SHARE! With your thoughts.
          over 1000 sayings
          https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=169778
          and ... and zero (thoughts)
          "repost" - ek pins you
          1. Astoria
            Astoria 29 August 2018 22: 12
            +2
            That is, for an enterprise that employs more than 30 people, not counting related plants, and which is part of ROSTEH (a corporation with a turnover of 000 trillion rubles), the deputy lobby
            you do not twist the temple for nothing, and try to read the phrase and comprehend
            LOBBYING -
            actions of state bodies, legislative, executive, and judicial authorities aimed at supporting certain sectors and sectors of the economy of regions, enterprises, social groups, dictated not by objective necessity, but by interest, sometimes by bribing officials. Lobbyists represented by representatives of the authorities assist their wards in obtaining profitable government orders, loans, assistance, benefits, licenses, favorable conditions for economic and commercial activity, in creating and registering new organizations, and in suppressing competitors.
            and where does
            corporation with a turnover of 1 trillion rubles
            ?
            Lockheed Martin Corporation. 2016 turnover of $ 47 (I'm afraid to get confused at the zeros, multiply by 248-000, your trillion will seem pathetic)
            for 2013-2014 the company allocated $ 30 million to Republicans, while for the 2015-2016 election campaigns. a record low of $ 18 million was sent. However, Lockheed Martin still holds the largest focus in Congress, with 380 members and 69 senators.

            According to the Center for Responsible Policies, Chevron invested $ 2014 million in Republican candidates from 2016 to 32, and Exxon Mobil $ 47 million.
            About Kogogin, Alfiya Gumarovna ... ask about the government’s decree on the collection of utilization fees. Fiction, 3 months and 3 readings.
            - That is, lobbyism embarrasses you, from which planet Ivan flew in, wake up in the 21st century, this is a common practice, or when Lukashenko rides around the Middle East with MZKT products, and then the local emir receives 25 hectares in the protected forest - it’s just that. Or according to your lobbyists, instead of Kamaz products, they should lobby the products of Maz and MZKT.

            I think cheaper, however:
            ROC "Platform-O" - prototypes of the first batch should have been released for preliminary tests at the end of 2012, and now 2018
            one thing is a finished factory with a product range + maintenance base. Other OCD
            "Platform-KTEO-2" / "Platform-KENRK" / "Platform-EPNS" / KTEO-3 / KTEO-4, etc.

            And I think that having paid 3 billion, it would have been different, the plant would have remained in Belarus, the Russian Federation would have to invest a damn cloud of money for modernization + the local social network. And in the case of what would happen as the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant. That's why China, in principle, does not invest in Belarus, all plants are built exclusively on credit by Chinese specialists from Chinese components.

            So re-post at least SOMETHING (or read the definition of lobbying.
            - why do we need to copy-paste other people's thoughts and pass them off as ours, well, they would indicate the source - no, well, something like that feel

            on which copy?
            I’m not an autism specialist, Ivan, but you already remember what you wrote, damn! You copied, then excusably.

            Dirk Astorovich ... SO SHARE! With your thoughts.
            over 1000 sayings
            https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=169778
            and ... and zero (thoughts)
            "repost" - ek pins you
            Ivan do not hysteria laughing Well poked you face, take criticism calmly and all the best hi
  4. Moore
    Moore 29 August 2018 17: 30
    +1
    The new tractors for strategic missile systems being developed by KamAZ have successfully completed state tests, Warspot reports with reference to TASS.

    On the hill, it turned out solidly ... The machine is still clearly crude, although it seems that the main contradictions have been resolved.
    I don’t think that this will push the capricious Father in something, but you need to have your own. Only modified, and not accepted by the wave of the Kujugetic saber.
    1. prodi
      prodi 29 August 2018 17: 47
      -2
      yeah! .. Sideways - it is certainly beautiful, but it can turn out that way. In my opinion, it would be better not to bother with all the rotary axes, but to slightly raise the rocket-carrying frame and make a two-link chassis
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 29 August 2018 17: 57
      +4
      Quote: Moore
      On the hill it turned out solidly ..

      It is generally designed for a large rocket - it cannot be folded in half, and you cannot carry it through such slides, the base will not allow it, so everything is fine, it has computers crammed into it .... perhaps it worked out a ban, such as "protection from the fool." laughing
      1. prodi
        prodi 29 August 2018 18: 29
        -2
        Quote: Locksmith
        .... perhaps the ban has worked, such as "protection from the fool"

        is it turning the middle wheels the other way? Very original ... You look closely, they are already standing uphill when approaching the hill
      2. Moore
        Moore 31 August 2018 08: 50
        0
        MZKT-79221 (YRS chassis) has the maximum climb on dry solid ground - up to 20 °, in KAMAZ, as I understand it, there should be no less, right?
        The overpass in the video is clearly not cooler than the specified angle.
        As for "folding the rocket in half" - laughing .
  5. shans2
    shans2 29 August 2018 18: 14
    -1
    Goodbye Lukashenko, the rest ....
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 29 August 2018 18: 48
    0
    It was infa that the first steps of the KAMAZ brainchild showed a number of shortcomings and suddenly there was such news that they had already fixed everything? Or just needed additional trump cards in the dispute over the MZKT
  7. Grits
    Grits 29 August 2018 19: 12
    -1
    And if you need to move sooo big puddle? How do electric motors behave in each wheel?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 August 2018 19: 42
      0
      There are still some moments with the influence of a nuclear impulse.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 August 2018 19: 42
    0
    In the pictures there are different KAMAZ trucks and there was an 8x.8 tractor at the exhibition .... They wrote about the Platform that an experienced electric transmission and imported Diesel ...
  9. Mentat
    Mentat 29 August 2018 20: 05
    +2
    Quote: Aibolit
    -Detroit Diesel engine, power - 675 kW (918 hp)
    -Chinese Weichai (WEICHAI POWER 12M33) with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
    -Liebherr with a capacity of 2 thousand horsepower
    write
    All tractors of the Platform family have fully domestic engines with power from 850 to 1 thousand hp KamAZ production. The machines have an electric transmission gearbox that is directly connected to the electric motors in each wheel of the machine.
    modestly silent what and who produces

    Why didn’t they write, through a hyphen, that the engines were made by mechanical gnomes for gold?
    If you are making loud statements, provide a source of information.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 29 August 2018 21: 07
      0
      Of those engines that are produced and assembled - Licher Licher 550 hp turbo and 750 hp in the bi turbo version. More powerful civilian options do not seem to be there, only options for tank diesels.
  10. senima56
    senima56 29 August 2018 20: 23
    +2
    "Father" will again say that Russia is offending!
  11. kotik77713
    kotik77713 29 August 2018 21: 23
    -1
    On April 28, 2011, the Arbitration Court of the Kurgan Region declared Rusich bankrupt - the Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant named after D. M. Karbyshev. "
    The factory’s workshops now include: Kurgan Industrial Park LLC, Production Company RTI-Mikron LLC, NPO Kurgan Special Technologies Plant LLC, REMSTANKOMASH LLC, Hypercity Shopping Center, and Rio Shopping Center. It was better for the leadership, they could save the plant, one question begs, why order in Minsk when you had your own?
  12. Adimius38
    Adimius38 29 August 2018 21: 54
    +1
    Another cut of money, trick money into the invention of a bicycle that was invented long ago. What did not suit the first-class multi-wheeled Belarusian tractors? or there just someone's hand wants to hit the big jackpot.
    1. Astoria
      Astoria 29 August 2018 23: 05
      +1
      Another cut of money, trick money into the invention of a bicycle that was invented long ago. What did not suit the first-class multi-wheeled Belarusian tractors? or there just someone's hand wants to hit the big jackpot.
      Yes, you are just a giant of thought !!!, and how without you all just think on this mortal planet. laughing
      And why do your own, why invent something, improve, invest.

      Forgive me for not being able to contact you by name (RELATED) - some kind of gibberish, well, that’s it. Dear sir, there is such a service as Yandex or Google, you hammer in there the reason for the conflict around the MZKT and find out
      What did not suit the first-class multi-wheeled Belarusian tractors
      hi
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 August 2018 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: Adimius38
      Another cut of money, trick money into the invention of a bicycle that was invented long ago. What did not suit the first-class multi-wheeled Belarusian tractors? or there just someone's hand wants to hit the big jackpot.

      We have already heard these mantras.
      It was for them, since the beginning of the 2000s, that "guardians for the people's good" have killed all plans to organize a full cycle of production of ship-borne gas turbine engines in Russia: "Another cut of money, to pump funds into the invention of the bicycle, which was invented long ago. Why the first-class Ukrainian gas turbine engine "Zori-Mashproekt" did not suit?"
      And it was for them that they tried to kill the plans to build a plant for the production of VK-2500 - only instead of Zori-Mashproekt there was Motor Sich.

      Do you even understand what you are writing about? MZKT produces not some consumer goods, which in extreme cases can be bought elsewhere, but a key component of the system, which is armed with the Strategic Missile Forces! Let's also buy raw materials for weapons-grade uranium in Australia - so as not to swell money into our mining and processing.
    3. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 30 August 2018 11: 29
      0
      Ukrainian "motorsichi" and "nikolayevdoki" arranged. But where are they now?
  13. d1975
    d1975 29 August 2018 22: 45
    +2
    Quote: Adimius38
    while in Russia there is such a government and in high posts such as Serdyukov and Chubais it is better to keep production away from Russian hands.

    Of the part you are right, but no more. Ukraine and so there yo .. did not teach anything?
  14. Indian
    Indian 30 August 2018 04: 53
    +2
    In the video one to two wheels went in different directions, another instance is damp however.
  15. suhov17
    suhov17 30 August 2018 11: 31
    -2
    Look the truth, after the USSR, Russia alone was able to develop and bring to mind only the Yak-130, there wasn’t enough brains for everything else, some show off and theft. Moreover, KAMAZ, partly German property and therefore NATO property. In addition, KAMAZ has a chip, do not make machines for a specific task, but stupidly lengthen the frame and stick additional axes. But the MZKT is only Belarusian and Russian equipment and KAMAZ, a hodgepodge of enemy iron.
    And most importantly, Russia, because of its greed and racketeering, constantly demanding: -Give the plant, give the pipeline, has already lost all friends, declaring them to be parasites and traitors. Lose another Belarus, which after the collapse of the Union, Russian propaganda presents the enemy with the number ONE.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 August 2018 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: suhov17
      Look the truth, after the USSR, Russia alone was able to develop and bring to mind only the Yak-130, there wasn’t enough brains for everything else, some show off and theft.

      Brotherly people are so brotherly ... laughing Say it simply:
      We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its "centipedes" and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and for health! If today they have brains and money that they do not have - let them invent!
      © President of a fraternal country
      I will repeat once again - Russia cannot depend on imports to supply a critical component for the Strategic Missile Forces. Even from Belarus. Because we already have the experience of cooperation with one "brotherly people".
      Quote: suhov17
      And most importantly, Russia, because of its greed and racketeering, constantly demanding: -Give the plant, give the pipeline, has already lost all friends, declaring them to be parasites and traitors.

      Especially good to hear about greed and racketeering from Belarus. Do you remember the story of Boguslaev and the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant?
      1. Astoria
        Astoria 30 August 2018 15: 15
        0
        Look the truth, after the USSR, Russia alone was able to develop and bring to mind only the Yak-130, there wasn’t enough brains for everything else, some show off and theft. Moreover, KAMAZ, partly German property and therefore NATO property. In addition, KAMAZ has a chip, do not make machines for a specific task, but stupidly lengthen the frame and stick additional axes. But the MZKT is only Belarusian and Russian equipment and KAMAZ, a hodgepodge of enemy iron.
        And most importantly, Russia, because of its greed and racketeering, constantly demanding: -Give the plant, give the pipeline, has already lost all friends, declaring them to be parasites and traitors. Lose another Belarus, which after the collapse of the Union, Russian propaganda presents the enemy with the number ONE.
        - a standard set of degenerate comments about the "taiga union", such characters are a dime a dozen here.
    2. Astoria
      Astoria 30 August 2018 15: 14
      -1
      Fiodor, pass by to Narnia, you have already been told directly that something is not correcting - you can leave the Customs Union and go where you need to. Let's goodbye. laughing
  16. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa 30 August 2018 11: 33
    0
    photo straight yells .... on a pallet machine.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 August 2018 12: 50
      0
      And the photos of the tanks on the trawls also scream about something? wink
  17. Golovotyap
    Golovotyap 30 August 2018 12: 04
    0
    Essential question: can anyone know whether it was possible to solve the problem of water getting into the electric motors of the wheels when overcoming water obstacles?
  18. Vladimir Teplov
    Vladimir Teplov 30 August 2018 12: 14
    +1
    It is very strange. They killed their own KZKT which was an analogue of some MZKT and had its roots. And then from scratch to create a new company with no experience in creating such cars. To loudly praise the new KAMAZ, take an analogue of the same MZKT and send them to the Moscow Karakum rally and back with the coverage of journalists which is better and everything will immediately become clear. Arabs when choosing a tanker did the same. There were Americans Man Mercedes Scania Volvo and so on and of all of them only the MZKT reached the finish line
  19. Mentat
    Mentat 30 August 2018 12: 23
    +4
    Quote: suhov17
    Face it, after the USSR, Russia alone was able to develop and bring to mind only the Yak-130,there isn’t enough brains for everything else, some show off and theft.

    Wonderful web user - friendly, polite, sincere! And pulls from him roses and lilies of the valley! And he loves Russia, as he remembers all Russians with a good word. Ponty they have, theft and no brains.
    The incendiary as it is.
    1. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 30 August 2018 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Mentat
      The incendiary as it is.


      No, this is an ordinary Belarusian,
      the same Russian as we are,
      only with polish ambition
  20. 23424636
    23424636 30 August 2018 13: 07
    0
    this Tatar ferdinand will still pump loot and in the end there will be that with Buyans of the Ak-Bars independent company - short-sea swimming. And Belarusian cars that are not afraid of electromagnetic attacks on drives (by the way, whose electric motors are on this car?) Will still serve for a long time and hard.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 August 2018 15: 02
      +1
      Quote: 23424636
      this Tatar ferdinand will still pump loot and in the end there will be that with Buyans of independent Ak-Bars company - short-sea swimming.

      And what - someone demanded an ocean navigation zone from RTOs based on the IAC "river-sea" for the Caspian? 21631 was made only because it could be designed and built quickly - on the basis of a finished project of an already built ship. And they were not going to release them beyond the Caspian and Black Sea.
      Quote: 23424636
      And Belarusian cars that are not afraid of electromagnetic attacks on drives (by the way, whose electric motors are on this car?) Will still serve for a long time and hard.

      Yes, yes, yes ... they also said so about the Zori and Motor Sich engines ...
  21. Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 30 August 2018 15: 56
    -1
    The main reason that the Minsk was refused was that they were insolent with those services. I will not go into details, I will say that they held us by the eggs. The stupidity of their demands was incredible, and the problems were enormous. They refused to sell the plant.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 30 August 2018 19: 13
    +1
    Who has not yet seen that wheel synchronization is not working?
    1,58
  23. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 30 August 2018 19: 19
    0
    on the photo Kamaz-78509, it is 12x12 and a load capacity of 50 tons
  24. tegezen
    tegezen 30 August 2018 21: 08
    +1
    Belarus is a separate state, and here there is no way out. Intention to be friends is one thing, and opportunity is another. Only opportunities should be considered. Belarus and Georgia have not confirmed their allied promises either in Georgia or the Crimea. Their right. But we need to keep this in mind.
  25. Amatar
    Amatar 31 August 2018 10: 15
    +1
    BLAH BLAH BLAH. They showed everyone a beautiful picture - splattered their eyes. Formed public opinion.
    And how do you like this video, which is modestly ignored in the Russian Federation.
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/gld_AGos9lc
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 31 August 2018 11: 08
      0
      take it easy, if you make competitive products, then there will always be a buyer, and KAMAZ will bring to mind, a matter of time
  26. Amatar
    Amatar 31 August 2018 10: 27
    0
    I can understand people who are happy that in their country they did something good, built, invented. But I can not understand people who at the same time gloat over others. The latter are not patriots, they are short-sighted ... phobes who so justify their inferiority and uncertainty in life. As if from the fact that some Luka will feel worse, their worthless, bleak life will become more pleasant.
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