Turkey: If you forbid us to buy C-400, why don’t you sell your Patriot?

The Turkish Foreign Ministry reacted sharply to the US’s next call for Ankara about the “need” to abandon the purchase of the C-400 air defense system from Russia. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavusoglu doubted that the United States could provide Turkey with an opportunity to protect its air borders.

Cavusoglu:

We do everything in the interests of our country. This is our duty. They (US) must understand this. Can the US itself give us any guarantees for the supply of the Patriot air defense system?

According to Mevlut Chavushoglu, Turkey very much doubts the good intentions of the United States to support Turkey’s security against the backdrop of Washington’s refusal to hand over F-35 airplanes to the Turkish Air Force, which are manufactured in the United States under a contract signed by both parties. Recall that the US congressmen decided to freeze the process of transferring the 5 fighter generation to Turkey. They explained their step in the USA by the fact that Turkey refuses to extradite pastor Andrew Brunson, “violating international law”. In fact, the United States fears that Ankara would give Russia important information on F-35.

Are there any concerns that Ankara will hand over important information on C-400 to Washington?

Recall that on the basis of a previously signed contract, Turkey will receive from Russia two S-400 batteries. The contract also provides for the subsequent possible production of these complexes in Turkish territory.

The US is threatening Ankara with sanctions from the CAATSA package. This package provides for restrictive measures against countries that are engaged in military-technical cooperation with Russia.

Comments

[aszzz888]

Recall that the American congressmen decided to freeze the transfer of the 5 generation of fighters to Turkey.

... threw the mericatos of the Turks, like suckers ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: aszzz888

... threw the mericatos of the Turks, like suckers ...

I would not rush to conclusions. This corps de ballet is still far from the finale to say who whom and how many threw.

[aszzz888]

... do you think this is a joint game between the mericatos and the Turks? ... then our counterintelligence is worthless, although I’m sure that a specific radray really goes between them, and it will end not in favor of the mericatos ..

[bouncyhunter]

Here you can come up with a lot of options, Seryoga, since we only know the tip of the iceberg. Therefore, I believe that the rush is not appropriate.

[maxim947]

Can the USA itself give us any guarantees for the supply of Patriot air defense systems?

It seems that the Turks began to include the rear.

[bouncyhunter]

Maksim

Quote: maxim947

Turks began to include back

Not sure about the back, but bustle stern very reasonably. Let's see what the mattresses will answer. In general, we are waiting for the continuation of the corps de ballet ...

[maxim947]

The Turks kicked the ball to the side of the United States, and if, for example, in a return statement from the mattresses guarantees are provided for the supply of air defense systems and even on a long-term loan, which is highly expected, then a rhetorical question arises - What will Chavushoglu say then? If the translation of his statement is correct, then he set the conditions for the Americans under which the Turks would abandon the S-400, or at least made it clear that the final point had not yet been set. In general, yes, Julia))

[bulvas]

Quote: maxim947

The Turks kicked the ball to the side of the United States, and if, for example, in a return statement from the mattresses guarantees are provided for the supply of air defense systems and even on a long-term loan, which is highly expected, then a rhetorical question arises - What will Chavushoglu say then?

In its place there are no problems, what to say.

A contract was signed for f-35, they still refused

What other guarantees if the contract is an empty piece of paper for them?

Will the Turks want to talk about it?

Most agree with Pasha

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: aszzz888

... threw the mericatos of the Turks, like suckers ...

I would not rush to conclusions. This corps de ballet is still far from the finale to say who whom and how many threw.

We will observe.

The Americans have enough resources (for now) to weave all these laces,
it’s important that we have enough.

It is all the more important not to rush or make hasty gestures

[bouncyhunter]

Vasya, hello!

Quote: bulvas

It is all the more important not to rush or make hasty gestures

That's right. Not the case where you need a rush. The implemented contract for the supply of Turkey S-400 will create a PRECEDENT. This is what bites the mattresses behind the seat.

[Gray brother]

Quote: maxim947

It seems that the Turks began to include the rear.

This is not the back, this is a win-win divorce. I understand them, in general.
They see the Russian contract as a fallback that allows them to force Americans to do what they (the Americans) do not want.
Not a ride with amers, they will buy the S-400.

[milton]

Ha, you remember when the Indians mattresses excursion carried out on our apl which we took on lease. Then, too, everyone was worried

[rotmistr60]

We do everything in the interests of our country.

All right. But really, Turkey, for many years of NATO membership, did not understand that the United States, besides its interests, was not at all interested in the interests of other countries. Regarding the Patriot, the question was asked absolutely correctly and appropriately, but something tells the Americans will not find the answer except sanctions.

[Runoway]

But really, Turkey, for many years of NATO membership, did not understand that the United States, besides its interests, was not at all interested in the interests of other countries.

And what kind of cooperation did Turkey have except for an alliance with the US + EU, with the Russian Federation in the 90s which Yugoslavia was not able to help and its economy as such was not, or with China, which until now, properly, except economically, didn’t make itself known in the world ???. It was more profitable to cooperate with the USA than to remain alone, thanks to this, Turkey is now the strongest army, now interests have gone to the door, cooperation is in doubt, well done Turks, you can’t say anything

[aszzz888]

rotmistr60 (Gennady) Today, 09: 58 NEW
But really, Turkey for many years of NATO membership did not understand that the United States, in addition to its interests, is completely not interested in the interests of other countries

! ... I probably understood, but I couldn’t do anything then ... now is another time, politicians, and other circumstances ... that's why she announces her piece in a big pie ...

[milton]

Turkey has been trying to join the European Union for several decades, fulfilling all their requirements, but receiving only promises. NATO entry was one of the conditions

[zlinn]

Turkey has been a NATO member since 1952, where does the European Union? he was not in sight

[rocket757]

All the same, the Turks are such a "friend", Sam Brook, it is necessary to stick with such a friend !!! Sales are not careful, the club will not have to be hidden behind the back, Schaub was in plain sight!

[sleeve]

Technology transfer? It seems that the export version is different from the linear military one. Besides, why? Why give your "potential friend" the keys to your sky?

[Guillon]

Through deception, striped can get everything you want.

[Runoway]

It seems that the export version is different from the linear military one.

It seems to you that at one time the turntables were exported in such a "configuration" that ours only saw during tests, and he himself was a witness when in 2008 Algeria rejected a batch of the 29th (about which there was silence in our media), but then they began to boast that recently, the troops received new aircraft
Unfortunately, we wishful thinking, hoping, for example, that we will turn off expert air defense if necessary, and in fact how many technologies (not just military) and patents have been sold, the adversary earns millions, and we also buy products ourselves.
"The mind cannot understand Russia"

[igorbrsv]

Well, now we have a "jihad-mobile" mudflow, even now take it from the exhibition, but this does not mean that there are advanced technologies and you cannot turn it off at a distance. Well, I just hope that nothing advanced will be given away.

[igorbrsv]

Someone can answer why the Americans do not want to supply the patriot of Turkey? Why didn't they put the fi-35, it seems to me more logical - "they didn't agree on the price," the meaning of the question regarding the Kurds.
Could this be the lobby of Israel?

[Yeraz]

Quote: igorbrsv

Someone can answer why the Americans do not want to supply a Turkish patriot?

Well, there are 2 interconnected moments. The USA does not need to strengthen Turkey. And Turkey wanted to buy these systems with the TRANSFER of a certain number of technologies, then to produce it themselves. The USA does not agree on this, only for sale. The Turkish industry is developing and can overpower during the transfer of technologies there’s a lot of production, plus it gives out its products. Considering that in the early 2000s, dependence was 90% on foreign supplies, now the Turkish military-industrial complex is already mastering 60%. Somewhere on your own, somewhere joint, but for the joint you need to have some development industry.
And Turkey is moving towards full independence. And the United States does not want to share such technologies. Russia agreed (although it is still unknown to what extent).

[igorbrsv]

Maybe you're right. Well, the S-400 will not always be advanced. While Turkey will establish production, the complex will become obsolete, although it will be relevant.

[Yeraz]

Quote: igorbrsv

Well, the S-400 will not always be advanced. While Turkey will establish production, the complex will become obsolete, although it will be relevant.

Well, the S-300 is still in service and is not being decommissioned. And Turkey is offered the latest modification of the S-400, and even with technology. And the Turkish air defense and missile defense are in terrible condition or in complete absence in places. And Turkey must create its own national and start with such technologies are a very big step forward for their first national one. Yes, and you need to understand who are the likely opponents. Well, Armenia, Georgia, Syria, Bulgaria are ridiculous. There is an air force in Iraq, but the situation in the country and the army as a whole is in a deplorable state. Iran with antediluvian Air Force, but a good missile infrastructure may be dangerous. But the relationship is good, Turkey passed through sanctions with the help of which Iran had access to the outside world, Turkish banks, cashing in gold, etc. strongly helped Iran. There remains Israel and an increasingly intensifying confrontation with the United States, and for this you need to have at least some sort of air defense and missile defense system, which essentially does not exist now. By the way, they have a medium-range HISAR system that is being tested and there are a lot of European components UTBFF, together with Italy and France.

[igorbrsv]

In their place, it would be reasonable to have aviation about various competing states. It is unlikely that they trust Russia more than the United States, and they don’t seem to doubt that weapons against their creators will not work at hour X

[Yeraz]

Quote: igorbrsv

In their place, it would be wise to have aviation

Turkey has very good air forces, and the F-16 plant stands. But aviation is only 1 of the components, you need to have air defense and missile defense.

Quote: igorbrsv

It is unlikely that they trust Russia more than the United States, and they don’t seem to doubt that weapons against their creators will not work at hour X

Well, we don’t sit on the Turkish Security Council and their vision of the concept. Maybe they don’t see the Russian Federation as an adversary. Moreover, these systems are needed with technologies to create their own. And do not get hooked on the Russian system. Moreover, no one knows if the Russian Federation can turn off or not, whether Turkey can prevent it or not. But in any case, without the Russian Federation and components from Russia, these systems will simply stand. And if Turkey goes to buy these systems, I consider this an intensification of relations between the countries in the field of security.
In the future, Turkey will build up its own and refuse both Russian and European or American. But to create its own, technological assistance from these countries is needed.

[zlinn]

It can even be believable, especially since Israel is trying to get the production of engines for the F-35 instead of the Turks, but do not exaggerate the lobby's capabilities, it is most likely personal and Trump believes that the Turks threw him with the pastor

[igorbrsv]

Moreover, strange Trump was offended more than Erdogan’s coup

[Guillon]

Important information on the Fu-35!?! Do not tell my slippers, this crude wunderwafer is made on the basis of the Soviet Yak-141! But the S-400 has much more such information.

[ZVO]

Quote: Gillaton

Important information on the Fu-35!?! Do not tell my slippers, this crude wunderwafer is made on the basis of the Soviet Yak-141! But the S-400 has much more such information.

Feerrrriiiiichchchchchnnnnooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sands Careers General]

The United States needs money, and a patriot compared to the S-400 frank rubbish))
After all, America does not produce weapons for protection, as in Russia, but in order to vparivat everyone who is not lazy. Business online.

[igorbrsv]

Like windows 10.991

[ZVO]

Quote: Sands Career General

After all, America does not produce weapons for protection, as in Russia, but in order to vparivat everyone who is not lazy. Business online.

An even more enchanting thought ...
How so...
How can people have a set of such thoughts in their head and these people are still not in Kashchenko?

Those. hundreds of Patriots, thousands of F-16s, hundreds of F-15s and F-18s, thousands of Abrams, bradley, MLRS, a dozen aircraft carriers, dozens of nuclear submarines, dozens of Berks - is this all not for defense ???
This is so - financial fraud, according to some very knowledgeable persons ...

Kashchenko, just Kashchenko ...

[Sands Careers General]

Quote: ZVO

Kashchenko, just Kashchenko ...

It can be seen from afar from a patient who contradicts himself))
If only we would study the list of wars unleashed by the United States with the help of the above weapons. We in Lugansk drove the American Humvee, do you think he defended himself strongly with us, and in general, what did we forget?
That's the defense))

[ZVO]

Quote: Sands Career General

Quote: ZVO

Kashchenko, just Kashchenko ...

If only we would study the list of wars unleashed by the United States with the help of the above weapons. We in Lugansk drove the American Humvee, do you think he defended himself strongly with us, and in general, what did we forget?
That's the defense))

Ну и что?
I felt M-30 16 years ago ...
Live, then it was a curiosity.
On the topic itself.
You would study the list of those weapons. that America has put itself into service. what sold ...
And if you find at least a dozen positions (along with a small arrow) of American military (non-civilian) weapons that they sold to someone but didn’t put into service, I’ll tell you: Bravo! and express my sincere appreciation ...

[Sands Careers General]

You would study the list of those weapons. that America has put itself into service. what sold ...

I set it well, but far from all the samples are normal.
I mean, the American military-industrial complex vparivat weapons at a monstrous price to its vassals, thereby making money. Qualitative or not - nobody cares. Bought - use what they gave.

Z.Y. The modern M-4 still has the childhood problems of its ancestor. I wouldn’t call him good.

[Shahno]

So the problem is ... Bargaining, now you can and Patriot on credit. And then there are rumors that there is someone to exclude the mood from the Joint strike program ... and give the production to the neighbors.