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Propaganda lie of Solzhenitsyn

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One of the most famous liars and creators of the myth of the "bloody stories"USSR is Solzhenitsyn. He became famous thanks to Western media in the late 1960-s, who actively used his book "The Gulag Archipelago".


Alexander Solzhenitsyn himself was arrested in 1945 for counterrevolutionary activities, which resulted in the distribution of anti-Soviet materials. Solzhenitsyn was sentenced in absentia to the 8 years of forced labor camps and eternal exile at the end of his sentence. Released in February 1953.

According to the anti-Soviet, the war with Nazi Germany could have been avoided if Moscow reached a compromise with Hitler. Solzhenitsyn personally condemned Stalin for the terrible consequences of the war for the peoples of the USSR, and more than for Hitler. It turned out that the author sympathized with the Nazis.

Since 1962, with the permission of Khrushchev, who pursued the policy of de-Stalinization of the USSR (the so-called "perestroika-1" or "thaw"), Solzhenitsyn began publishing in the USSR. The story entitled "One Day of Ivan Denisovich" was published in the journal "New World" and immediately reprinted and translated into foreign languages. December 30 Solzhenitsyn's 1962 was admitted to the Union of Soviet Writers. Solzhenitsyn deliberately "unwound" in the Soviet Union and in the West. Khrushchev used the writer's materials as a ram to destroy the Stalinist heritage. At the same time, when in the USSR they cooled to him (Khrushchev was removed from power and his “excesses” were tried to be eliminated), his popularity was preserved in the West. Solzhenitsyn’s books began to be printed in the West in huge editions, and a rather mediocre writer was promoted as a world star. The author has become one of the most valuable tools of Western imperialism (predatory capitalism) for the criticism and destruction of socialism. In the 1970 year, Solzhenitsyn was nominated for the Nobel Prize in Literature, and as a result the prize was awarded to him. Only eight years elapsed from the first publication of Solzhenitsyn’s work to the award of the award — there was no such thing in the history of the Nobel Prize for literature either before or after. In February 1974, Solzhenitsyn was arrested, charged with treason and deprived of Soviet citizenship. He was expelled from the USSR (for more details on the article: Why did they create the myth about the great writer-truth-worker Solzhenitsyn).

In the West, his work was used to the fullest to expose the "horrors" of the Red Empire. Solzhenitsyn was often invited to speak at influential meetings. The writer advocated building up the power of the United States and NATO against the USSR. In his speeches, Solzhenitsyn sharply criticized the communist regime and ideology, urged the United States to abandon cooperation with the USSR and the policy of detente. The writer perceived the West as an ally in the liberation of Russia from "communist totalitarianism" (a continuation of the ideology of the White movement during the Civil War).

After the death of the Spanish dictator-caudillo Franco, the fascist regime in Spain staggered. Strikes and demonstrations began in the country with demands for freedom and democracy, and Franco's heir, King Juan Carlos, was forced to start a reform policy. At this difficult moment, in March 1976, Solzhenitsyn visited Spain. In a loud speech on Spanish television, he approvingly spoke of the recent regime of Franco and warned Spain against "too quickly moving towards democracy." He also said in an interview that 110 of millions of Russians had died, becoming victims of socialism, and compared the “slavery to which the Soviet people are subjected” to the freedom enjoyed by the Spaniards. It is worth noting that the support of Spanish fascism led to increased criticism in the Western press Solzhenitsyn. The writer began to disappear from public view. There is a limit to everything, the ideas of fascism at that time were not supported in the West. The offensive of the neolithic ideology began.

Propaganda lie

Thus, Hitler's accomplices, American Nazi and media tycoon William Hurst, Anglo-American intelligence officers and professional propagandist (information warfare specialist) Robert Conquest became the most valuable pillars of Western myths about millions allegedly exterminated in the Soviet Union during the "bloody dictator" of Stalin. and anti-Soviet Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Among them, Conquest played a leading role, as he was a first-class disinformation specialist. At the same time, Conquest received tremendous informational support from Solzhenitsyn and other minor figures. Such as Andrei Sakharov and Roy Medvedev.

All statements by "researchers" like Conquest and Solzhenitsyn about the millions who were shot, dead and placed in camps have one thing in common - the lack of a scientific base. They are the result of false statistical and evaluation methods. Millions and even tens of millions of victims came up with the forgers and their followers. In doing so, they used data (mainly opinions) of such obvious enemies of the Soviet power as the German and Ukrainian Nazis (the Nazis and Bandera). The Western propaganda machine used them, as it led the information (cold) war against the Soviet Union. Check the information did not, this was not necessary. In the West, and now all over the world, the media (most often the means of mass disinformation) form the worldview of a simple man in the street. The myth of the “bloody Stalin”, the Soviet “evil empire” was necessary, and it was created. Used for this bikes of the Nazis, the Ukrainian Nazis, anti-Soviet, like Solzhenitsyn, attracted propaganda professionals such as Conquest.

Conquest, Solzhenitsyn, Medvedev and other opponents of the USSR used statistics published in the Soviet Union (for example, the population census), to which the authors added the estimated population growth without taking into account the general situation in the country. In this way, a conclusion was obtained on how much the population should be by the end of this period. People who are missing are enrolled in dead or imprisoned camps. The technique is simple, but false. Moreover, this method is not used in Western countries, as it would cause a protest by local historians and the public. It is allowed only for the USSR.

According to Conquest (estimate of 1961 of the year) in the USSR, 6 million people died of starvation at the beginning of the 1930s. This number in the 1986 year, he increased to 14 million. According to the Anglo-American writer, the GULag contained 5 million people in the 1937 year, on the eve of the “great purge” in the party, the state apparatus and the army. After the purges, during the period of 1937 - 1938, another 7 million people added to it, that is, there were 12 million prisoners. In the 1950, the USSR also had 12 million prisoners. And all 12 million, according to Conquest, were political prisoners. There were also ordinary criminals in the camps, who outnumbered the political ones in number. That is, in Soviet prisons and camps sat 25 - 30 million. According to Conquest, 1 million political prisoners were exterminated in the period of 1937 - 1939, another 2 million people died of starvation. Total for the period 1930 - 1953. the Soviet regime allegedly exterminated at least 12 million political prisoners. By attaching the starving people to these data, Conquest derived the total number in 26 of the millions who were killed by the Bolsheviks.

Solzhenitsyn used a similar technique. However, he cited even more terrible figures. Solzhenitsyn agreed with Conquist's estimate of 6 million starving to death. Since the purges of 1936-1939, in his opinion, 1 million or more people died a year. As a result, from the moment of collectivization until the death of Stalin in 1953, the communists allegedly killed 66 million people. In addition, he blamed the Soviet government for the deaths of 44 million people during the Great Patriotic War. That is, Moscow was to blame for the war and its terrible consequences, not the Nazi regime in Germany, the fascist-nationalist governments in Europe and the real warmongers in London and Washington. Solzhenitsyn concluded that the communists killed 110 million people. At the same time, 1953 million people were in labor camps in 25.

Thus, these fantastic figures are the result of the information war of the West against Russia-USSR. This is a well-paid falsification (including due to popularity), behind which there are Western special services, mainly American and British.

It is interesting that when, during the period of publicity under Gorbachev, previously secret archives were opened for researchers, the true face of the falsifiers was revealed, but nothing changed for the world community. Stalin remained a “bloody dictator,” and the USSR, an “evil empire.” Archives opened research reports based on authentic documents. Millions of "tortured and repressed" disappeared. However, the “free” Gorbachev press, and the world media, and publicists who speculate on the topic of repression, immediately lost interest in the authentic figures. They were published in scientific journals, but they were short-circuited and were ignored in the major media. In the West, the reports of Russian researchers on the penal system under Stalin were also ignored.

As a result, up to the present, the myth of tens of millions of murdered and repressed, innocent victims of Stalinism dominates the world community. A similar picture is in the Russian leading media, which continue to promote pro-Western, liberal-democratic values. In fact, the media form a picture of the “damned Soviet past” for an ordinary person, and idealize the history of the Russian Empire. At the exit - a pro-Western-liberal, semi-feudal-semi-capitalist, and semi-colonial model of modern Russia, dependent on the West. It is clear that on such a foundation no “sovereign democracy” is in principle possible.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 28 August 2018 05: 54
    +19
    Russia is the only country that is constantly the object of arrogant lies ... Solzhenitsyn is one of many who fed on this basis ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 28 August 2018 07: 08
      +20
      One of the most famous liars and creators of the myth of the "bloody history" of the USSR is Solzhenitsyn.
      as you can !!! .
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 28 August 2018 07: 16
        +10
        The photograph reflects reality. In the bowels of the Andropov KGB, not only anti-Soviet writers and Gorbachev sprouts were grown, but also such as Kalugin and others. In addition, at the state expense, entire scientific communities were created to destroy the SOVIET UNION.
        1. atos_kin
          atos_kin 28 August 2018 09: 34
          +4
          In the bowels of the Andropov KGB, not only anti-Soviet writers and Gorbachev sprouts were grown, but also such as Kalugin and others.

          I’m embarrassed to ask, are you alluding to now?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 28 August 2018 07: 34
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        as you can !!! .

        And indeed. Thanks to him, so many nits have been identified.

        He and the dead continue to flash them, and so that the color of his lighthouse does not fade, you can put flowers - like the power respects him, and you fly moths, fly, we will count you all.

        This work is one's own, among strangers, a stranger, among one's own.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 12: 45
          +4
          I wonder where the true communists and Soviet patriots have gone.
          1. teron
            teron 28 August 2018 13: 42
            +8
            It would be more correct to ask: where did they go from the upper echelons of power of the USSR.
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 04
              +2
              Well, where were they below? Could resist in 1991.
              1. teron
                teron 28 August 2018 16: 34
                +11
                This is an interesting question, of course. I was very small, but I remember that my grandfather, a convinced communist, supported Gorbachev to the end, that is, the leadership of the Union. Those who were against the communists supported Yeltsin and winged Gorbachev. Who knew then that Mikhail Sergeevich was a traitor and no less an enemy of the USSR than the same Yeltsin, that the party elite was the first to soap into a bright capitalist tomorrow. In short, if we recall now, only one thing comes to mind - a massive clouding of consciousness among the population of the USSR, when no one understood anything and wanted to live "as in the West."
                1. Koshnitsa
                  Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 18: 05
                  0
                  So he supported in words, but it was necessary in practice, with weapons in his hands.
                  1. teron
                    teron 28 August 2018 19: 55
                    +11
                    Well, you can imagine: my grandfather, a war veteran, begins to look for weapons somewhere, which means that he helps the legitimate authorities on the side of which, it seems, the army, the police, and the KGB. He gives a little absurdity, because then he is a criminal. Ordinary people did not understand that there was no need to save anyone, that the government itself had betrayed them. She threw the army to the mercy of fate, set up the police and destroyed the country. The USSR came to save the GKChP and everything was completely confused.
                    I remember that morning a parent told me that our country is no more.
                2. Mikhail Matyugin
                  Mikhail Matyugin 29 August 2018 14: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: teron
                  when no one understood anything and wanted to live "like in the West."

                  Apparently they forgot how literally there was nothing to eat. I’m personally, although I was a kid, but I remember well the stew of cow tails and other soups from all kinds of entrails ... So it’s not just that the whole society suddenly decided that something was wrong with the building of communism ...
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 30 August 2018 23: 07
                    +2
                    Because after Stalin, it was not communism that was built.
                  2. Polymer
                    Polymer 21 October 2018 17: 05
                    +1
                    Didn't you watch "600 minutes" of those times?
                    About "nothing to eat" is described in detail there ...
                3. fitter71
                  fitter71 27 February 2019 12: 16
                  0
                  not that I was small (in 1991 I was already 20 years old), but while still in school, at 87, I quite clearly realized that hump is unintelligible nonsense, it is not at all clear - what is he talking about? and when, at some party conference there, he "and his comrades" staged an obstruction of ebn, who, being clearly sick (later I found out that he had a pretty bad cold, was not drunk yet), repented for some unknown reason, but promised to improve - this ebn also became an empty place for me. and by the end of school I - being an openly pro-Soviet kid! - I was already ready and agreed with the removal of hump from power, but ebn did not see such in principle. and when I saw ebn on a tank on TV in August 91 - I felt sad ... the power in the remains of my country fell into the hands of one of the most unworthy - and almost no one saw it ... who next to stand on the baricade? "there are no real psychos - there are no leaders" ...
      3. Conductor
        Conductor 28 August 2018 07: 38
        +4
        Yes it really happens, then here’s the priest of the Russian land, then give a hunchback order.
      4. seti
        seti 28 August 2018 17: 39
        -1
        It's just a photo. Putin and shakes hands with all sorts of scum in the negotiations so what of this? This is politics, or as they say business and nothing more - emotions through the knee. If he did everything directly and openly as a true patriot in order to please an exceptionally normal Russian citizen, then what he has achieved is unlikely now. There is a lot of scum on the other side, and you have to deal with them too and bring flowers and present a picture with a view of the Crimea is one of the types of trolling.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 28 August 2018 19: 37
          +2
          Quote: seti
          -1
          It's just a photo. Putin and shakes hands with all sorts of scum in the negotiations so what of this? This is politics, or as they say business and nothing more - emotions through the knee.

          it's just hypocrisy.
          1. Usher
            Usher 30 August 2018 23: 08
            +2
            This is politics
    2. baudolino
      baudolino 28 August 2018 08: 29
      +6
      Quote: Vard
      Russia is the only country that is constantly the object of arrogant lies

      Come on. And about China, how much nonsense has been written since ancient times. And about the blacks in Africa ...
      There is no need to be like Solzhenitsyn in the "chosenness of the Russian people". Fools are evenly distributed throughout the world.
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  2. Camel
    Camel 28 August 2018 06: 00
    +12
    Why are there so many typos, did they type an article on the phone?
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 08: 14
      +14
      A man was in a hurry to expose the enemy of Russia.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky 28 August 2018 23: 11
        +4
        And Solzhenitsyn in your friend of Russia?
        With such "friends" and enemies do not.
        1. Vkd dvk
          Vkd dvk 28 August 2018 23: 17
          +2
          Quote: Beringovsky
          And Solzhenitsyn in your friend of Russia?
          With such "friends" and enemies do not.

          This fact expresses the whole essence of Russian liberalism of the kind I am talking about. First, what is liberalism, if we speak at all, if not an attack (reasonable or erroneous, that's another question) on the existing order of things? It is so? Well, my fact is that Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on the very things, and not just one order, not the Russian order, but Russia itself. My liberal has gone so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unfortunate Russian fact excites laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it is that he does not understand what he is doing, and he takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism (oh, you often meet a liberal in our country who is applauded by the rest, and who, perhaps, in essence is the most ridiculous, the most stupid and dangerous conservative, and he himself does not know it!). This hatred for Russia, not so long ago, some of our liberals took almost for true love for the fatherland and boasted that they saw better than others, what it should consist of; but now they have become more frank and even the words "love of the fatherland" have begun to be ashamed, even the concept has been banished and eliminated as harmful and insignificant. F. M. Dostoevsky.
          About such scum like Solzhenitsyn.
    2. Nick_R
      Nick_R 28 August 2018 08: 36
      -6
      So the main thing is to say that Solzhenitsyn is a liar. Facts can not be provided, he still can not argue.
      1. 73petia
        73petia 29 August 2018 00: 21
        +2
        Quote: Nick_R
        Facts Not Provided

        http://litlife.club/br/?b=211160
  3. tasha
    tasha 28 August 2018 06: 12
    +7
    So these are fantastic numbers

    As a result, up to now, the myth of tens of millions of killed and repressed, innocent victims of Stalinism has prevailed in the world community.

    Yes, the numbers are very, very exaggerated ... Author, you know the real numbers. Well, bring them .. And write innocent victims or not, in your opinion ..

    So the question is, twenty oranges is a bunch? What about five?
    1. Cat
      Cat 28 August 2018 06: 41
      +17
      In my understanding, the author revealing the topic should strive for objectivity, carefully weighing both the pros and cons. Articles slogans annoy me!
      Sincerely, Kitty!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 07: 05
      +3
      Quote: tasha
      twenty oranges is a bunch? What about five?

      a bunch is something else
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    4. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 08: 13
      +14
      Yes, everything has been posted on the GARF website for a long time. Why should HIM be repeated?
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 August 2018 09: 37
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Yes, the numbers are very, very exaggerated ..

      This is today's knowledge. And then, 40-50 years ago, when everything was strictly classified and closed in owls. archives, other numbers, even the official figures of the state-just was not! For example, there were not officially many millions of starvation deaths of 1933 and 47 years.
      But it was IMPOSSIBLE to remain silent about this! By the way, Solzhenitsyn’s estimate of starvation deaths of 6 million in 1933 was even lower than today's official 7 million.
      Concealment by ourselves gosudartsvom TRUTH and falsehood were the most powerful tools in the information war against ... himself, and not some Conquists and the CIA.
      1. tasha
        tasha 28 August 2018 09: 52
        +7
        Concealment by the state of the TRUTH from the people

        You and I seem to have already talked about this .. What do I think. It is not always necessary for everyone to know the TRUTH ... It concerns the relationship between people, whether the government of people or the state ... Sometimes it is better to remain silent ... Have you watched the film "State Councilor"? Final dialogue between Fandorin and Pozharsky ...
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 28 August 2018 10: 29
          +6
          "Lies are the religion of slaves and masters. Truth is the god of a free man!" Citizens of the USSR were proclaimed like that ... but how in practice? Is it better for everyone not to know? So someone is still a slave, and someone is a master?
          1. tasha
            tasha 28 August 2018 10: 40
            +3
            Lying is the religion of slaves and masters.

            I didn’t write that I need to LIE .. I think that sometimes it’s better to keep silent, or not to focus on THIS truth.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 28 August 2018 10: 49
              +6
              You, it turns out, a PR man is even better than myself !!! The power is in silence!
              1. tasha
                tasha 28 August 2018 11: 08
                +4
                Wow! Now I’m going to walk - I’m proud ... You are presumptuous, probably, but anyway - thanks winked
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 28 August 2018 12: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: tasha
                  Probably eating

                  A little bit!
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 28 August 2018 12: 43
                    +3
                    A little bit!

                    Here, we with Olgovich, and indeed with you, continue to exchange views on the truth in propaganda. If you have the time and mood, take a look below, please. wink
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 28 August 2018 12: 54
                      +4
                      I read the whole branch ...
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 28 August 2018 12: 16
          +3
          Quote: tasha
          Not always necessary for everyone know the TRUTH... It refers to the relationship between people, whether to control people or the state ... Sometimes better to keep silent ..

          1, Output the Rules: when and to whom it is possible to know the Truth, and when-it is impossible. At the same time, indicate who it will determine and on what basis.
          2. Indicate also WHY the people should not know what they really did to them?
          3. By the way, it was impossible to be silent, for this is an admission that the opponent is right. But the method of "refutation" was chosen as a losing one, initially indiscriminate groaning in general terms, without facts and figures.
          Concealment of the truth about oneself was one of the destructive blows to the state: in the end, no longer did anyone believe ideologists of the ides at all, even when they sometimes told the truth.
          1. tasha
            tasha 28 August 2018 12: 30
            +3
            Oooo If I knew these Rules, then I would be a great politician then .. At a minimum - Minister of Propaganda winked
            You write here - the people, the people ... And what is the people? Have you thought?
            By the way, it was impossible to remain silent.

            I agree, and it was just thought to write an answer to the respected V.O. on his
            The power is in silence!
            . The default gives rise to rumors and speculation. That is why feedback is important ...
            Silence - recognition of the opponent

            Not always. Do you know the interpretation of the classic stratagem "Waiting for a tired enemy at rest" ... I had a case when the enemy's silence led to a mistake on my part. Those. I tried to convince him, gave my reasons and arguments, but he just kept silent. As a result, I got carried away and gave him important information ..
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 28 August 2018 12: 44
              +7
              I will give you both an example from the PRAVDA newspaper for 1941 Article - "Hitler's nonsense". It exposes "Hitler's statement" that we have 3,5 million prisoners. "No, nonsense! - Pravda writes. We have only 500 thousand of them." That's where EXACTLY SHOULD BE SILENT. Because what did they write before the war? In a foreign land, with little blood, a swift blow, the communists do not surrender captive ... and suddenly 500 thousand in itself is a huge figure for the people of that era. Here it was necessary to remain silent for 100%.
              1. tasha
                tasha 28 August 2018 13: 10
                +3
                Here it was necessary to keep silent on all 100%.

                Here I completely agree with you. Who heard this statement by Hitler? Unless those who didn’t pass the radios or at the front from leaflets. Then these people shared what they heard ... Then they as distributors ..

                And no matter what they say, but what formulation was invented - "missing" ... Cynical, but from the point of view of propaganda - brilliant ...
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 00
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                It exposes "Hitler's statement" that we have 3,5 million prisoners. "No, nonsense! - Pravda writes. We have only 500 thousand of them."

                HERE! This is what I am talking about: ANY "exposure" with specific numbers turned against .... the whistleblower anyway.
                The same goes for the numbers of those who died from hunger in 33, 47: well, how are you going to expose the figure of Solzhenitsyn without being drawn into the discussion. bringing documents and specific figures based on them? And then it turns out that the famine was terrible, and the numbers were terrible. Therefore, "refutations" consisted of general phrases like: "Himself such and such!"
              3. Vova Kabaev
                Vova Kabaev 28 August 2018 15: 11
                -3
                These were the machinations of the unfinished Trotskyists!
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 02
              +3
              You still have not answered a simple question: WHY people should not know what they really did to them?
              1. tasha
                tasha 28 August 2018 14: 14
                +4
                You still have not answered a simple question: WHY people should not know what they really did to them?

                You have not answered the difficult question: What, in your opinion, is the people. wink 1:1

                The people (so be it) must know their story. There should be no secrets. But!
                Of me the writer is still the one that will clumsyly work out, try to understand ... People should be brought up in the subject: Our mother is the best, beat on the pope sometimes, but this is our mother ...
                1. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 28 August 2018 14: 47
                  0
                  and if the truth is that this is not "our mother" at all, but a stepmother?
                  1. tasha
                    tasha 28 August 2018 14: 53
                    +5
                    They wrote beautifully, but incorrectly.
                    Mother motherland is one ... And if you have grown up and found out that your stepmother is an occasion to kill her?
                    "- I raised you! I didn't sleep nights because of you! And you ... you ... go by train." (C) "Prostokvashino"

                    But still beautiful ...
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 28 August 2018 15: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: tasha
                  We have not answered the difficult question: What, in your opinion, is the people

                  There is a generally accepted definition of this concept: see Ozhegova, etc.
                  Quote: tasha
                  The people should be brought up in the subject: Our mother is the best, beat on the pope sometimes, but this is ours Mama...

                  Russia is a mother, not POWER.
                  And the bill to power is completely different! yes
                  1. Beringovsky
                    Beringovsky 28 August 2018 23: 40
                    0
                    Well, the authorities presented him in the 17th year.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 41
            +3
            Quote: Olgovich
            Indicate also WHY the people should not know WHAT they actually did to him?

            and what have they done to the people ?!
            open your eyes to this very people, by the way, personally, who will you be from, well, from the nobles of the merchant class? !!!!
            Quote: Olgovich
            In the end, no one believed in any ideologists at all, even when they sometimes spoke the truth.

            if you didn’t know the truth, how can you say that this is exactly what ruined ?!
            in the Union, planes fell the same way, but the people were not informed about this, has it become more difficult for you to live from this ignorance? !!!!!!
            although, of course, some of the events were hushed up in vain, about the actions of our "brothers" banderlog, about "sprats" in the forests, etc.
            1. tasha
              tasha 28 August 2018 13: 29
              +4
              although, of course, some of the events were hushed up in vain, about the actions of our "brothers" banderlog, about "sprats" in the forests, etc.

              Remember the film from the "State Border" series? They did not keep silent, but they served the truth correctly ...
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 13: 52
                +2
                Quote: tasha
                Not hushed up

                were silent about what frankly
                Have you been to Khatyn?
                1. tasha
                  tasha 28 August 2018 14: 04
                  +1
                  I don’t understand .. My cousin was there in 1985. I told you.
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            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 19
              +4
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and what have they done to the people ?!

              For example, without trial, a complete robbery (houses, property, utensils, clothes, including wearable items) of 4.5 million peasants in 1930-33, expulsion of 2,5 million peasants to the North (of which -1 million are CHILDREN), death 600 thousand of them. All owls. secretly.
              Do you think these Russian people wanted to live less than you?
              1. tasha
                tasha 28 August 2018 14: 31
                +8
                Do you think these Russian people wanted to live less than you?

                These people really wanted to live. To bring up children, grandchildren ... Yes, it was ... My grandfather, even a non-Russian one, got into the plan, built the Belomorkanal, returned in 1933, and was arrested in 1937 according to the plan (!), Just to execute the order, taken to the regional center. They didn’t deliver it, because he was very sick, there was a winter, they thought he would die, they were unloaded from relatives. He recovered, returned to his family ... In the 1941 year they called up to the Red Army, fought, and in July 1943 of the year died on the Kursk Bulge ...

                You, personally you, Olgovich, what are you trying to achieve? Who and what do you want to convince?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 28 August 2018 15: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: tasha
                  These people really wanted to live. To bring up children, grandchildren ... Yes, that was.

                  This is what we are talking about: our fellow citizens wanted the same as all of us. And they got ....
                  Quote: tasha
                  You, personally you, Olgovich, what are you trying to achieve? Who and what do you want to convince?

                  request No one and-what: objecting to opponents, I prove himselfthat my position is correct. No one can argue convincingly, in my opinion.
                  What about you?
                  1. Cat
                    Cat 28 August 2018 19: 51
                    +5
                    Olegovich, resolve the question, although it is rhetorical for you! Why is the power of the "Soviets" worse or better than the "Romanovs"?
                    That those that others repeatedly stepped on a rake - lies, injustice, mzdomstva and stupidity!
                    For example, I am a descendant of the "serf workers" whom NN Demidov once bought and drove to the Stone Belt to build factories! Eco my ancestors were lucky 275 years ago to erect mining and metallurgical plants in the Ural taiga? And on the lands bought from the Bashkirs illegally and knowing that a dozen years ago Russians were massacred in these places and more than once?
                    About hunger, maybe it’s worth taking an interest in a series of hunger riots in the Urals, googling about defaulters before tearing off your hair and making power to the councils? What can I say when I respect Alexander III, the Atig factory stood up for ten years, people survived, but what it cost them!
                    About deceased hopes, but how do you like the decision of the St. Petersburg court to relocate all Bashkir yurts to the left bank of Chusovaya, following the results of the Pugachev region? Is it interesting to know about this except specialists?
                    To be objective, this list can be continued without a difference who was at the helm of the king, emperor, secretary general or president. Although lately, albeit with excesses, but the power comes in the information plane more honestly. I can even name the point of the report, the sinking of the Kursk submarine.
                    Sincerely, Kitty!
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 29 August 2018 06: 48
                      -1
                      Quote: Kotischa
                      Why is the power of the "Soviets" worse or better than the "Romanovs"?

                      Strange, a million times they talked about this and again the same question.
                      The answer is simple:
                      under the Romanovs, my Russian people grew up on 50% for 22 years (under Nikolai Alexandrovich), under the Soviets already from 1964died out, by 1992-Russian cross.
                      Few? I will add: under the Romanovs the largest country in the world was created- Russia-From the Prut to Vladivostok, under the Soviets it contracted to the size of the 17th century.
                      If this is not enough, you tell me, I will supplement
                      Although this is enough to see a striking difference.
                      Quote: Kotischa
                      About hunger, maybe it’s worth taking an interest in a series of hunger riots in the Urals, googling about defaulters before tearing off your hair and making power to the councils?

                      No, first you need to remember that such disasters, with a huge number of millions of victims, such as were in 1922 and 1933 during the councils, were never in the world until the middle of the 20th century and nowhere, in any Africa.
                      And only then you can take an interest in the usual hungry riots, ordinary, unfortunately, events in the history of mankind
  4. amateur2
    amateur2 28 August 2018 06: 24
    +5
    It is necessary to start with A.I. Herzen, who dumped England in England in the mid-19th century and began to pour mud on Russia, for which he received from the Britons a hefty denyuzhku, much more than he could earn at home with his writings (as clumsy as at A.I.S.).
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 28 August 2018 07: 46
      +6
      Quote: amateur2
      It is necessary to start with A.I. Herzen, who dumped England in England in the mid-19th century and began to pour mud on Russia, for which he received from the Britons a hefty denyuzhku, much more than he could earn at home with his writings (as clumsy as at A.I.S.).

      Starikov read a lot? You would be more careful with his "historical" research. A citizen, to put it mildly, is very loose with historical facts. And roughly speaking, in an arrogant way, is engaged in their rigging, extrapolating the modern "Englishwoman crap" to (conditionally) "The Englishwoman crap on Russian trilobites, in the Paleozoic."
      Not to be unfounded:
      Klim Zhukov "Starikovskaya Story" http://red-sovet.su/post/29476/starikovskaya-istoriya
      Petr Balaev "Anti-Old Men. Why history is still a science" https://bookz.ru/authors/petr-balaev/anti-sta_794/1-anti-sta_794.html
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 18
        +3
        And what is wrong? Did Herzen not topple to England, or didn’t pour mud on Russia?
      2. amateur2
        amateur2 28 August 2018 18: 54
        +3
        Only Herzen read. And who are Starikov, K. Zhukov, P. Balaev I do not know.
        But VI Lenin read: "Honoring Herzen, we clearly see three generations, three classes that acted in the Russian revolution. First - the nobles and landowners, the Decembrists and Herzen. The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people. But their business Not lost. The Decembrists woke Herzen. Herzen launched a revolutionary agitation.
        It was picked up, expanded, strengthened, tempered by raznoshchinti revolutionaries, starting with Chernyshevsky and ending with the heroes of the “Narodnaya Volya”. The circle of fighters became wider, their connection with the people became closer. "Young navigators of the future storm," Herzen called them. But it was not the storm itself.
        The storm is the movement of the masses themselves. The proletariat, the only revolutionary class to the end, rose at the head of them and for the first time roused millions of peasants to open revolutionary struggle. The first onslaught of the storm was in 1905. The next one begins to grow before our eyes. "
        By the way, V.I. Lenin through a certain Parvus received a denyuzhka then Kaiserovsky General Staff. I did not believe in this for a very long time, I believed that it was an enemy slander against the leader, until in 90 I read the memoirs of A.I. Denikin, who had documented this.
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    2. Conductor
      Conductor 28 August 2018 10: 10
      +4
      Herzen, by the way, received money from Russia also from his estate.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 28 August 2018 06: 57
    +6
    Incorrect numbers appear where not ....Faithful numbers
    Why were all the archives closed and kept secret under the communists? If they were open and accessible to researchers, no speculation would be possible in principle.
    The same Solzhenitsyn stated that his figures are a purely subjective assessment, because scientific data from archives is closed and classified. And they must be adjusted after the archives are opened.
    It would seem, what is easier, not to call opponents `` fools and liars '' in the 1960s and 1970s, but to bring your own, "truthful", so to speak, specific figures refuting the blatant "lie". A-NO them!
    The numbers appeared: only, for example, in 1993 d, when Gostayn was removed, for example, from documents on losses in the Second World War and Krivosheev was able to count losses: only 2015 year The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (successor state of the USSR) announced the following data: irretrievable military losses - about 12 million people, total human losses of the country (USSR) - military personnel and civilians - 26 600 000 man. But there was also a "truth" of 7 million losses.
    The famine with the unthinkable number of deaths from him in the world in 1933 in the USSR NOT existed!.
    So it is not the Solzhenitsins who are to blame for the infwar, but the communist leadership itself, who were ashamed of their "achievements" such as the 7 million hunger deaths of 1933 and hushed them up
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 07: 06
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      The same Solzhenitsyn stated that his figures are a purely subjective assessment

      Quote: Olgovich
      The same Solzhenitsyn stated that his figures are a purely subjective assessment

      that is, admitted to a lie
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 August 2018 09: 22
        +3
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, admitted to a lie

        To prove to a person that he is a liar, one must tell the TRUTH. And the communist power was definitely not ready for this and was MORTALLY afraid of telling her.
        .
        Therefore, instead of "exposing" Solzhenitsyn to specific archival figures, it burst out in the 1970s and 80s with a stream of unconvincing general curses.
        .
        For example, Solzhenitsyn estimated the number of starvation deaths in 1933 in 6 million people. (state assessment today 7mln , i.e. Solzhenitsyn’s is even less than a scientific assessment), while the communist authorities of this famine officially didn’t exist at all ... NOT EXISTING, moreover. there were no starvation deaths!
        .
        Against this background, wild lies, Solzhenitsyn of the 70s, looks much better than that power in the 70,80s. which did not say numbers AT ALL (cowardly to open an unattractive picture).
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 28 August 2018 09: 27
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          (state valuation today is 7 million, i.e., Solzhenitsyn’s is even less than a scientific assessment

          Link to the research plz. It is very interesting to look at the calculation method.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 00
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          To prove to a person that he is a liar, one must tell the TRUTH.

          sorry, but this is not entirely true, it is enough to prove that he is lying, for example, this old stump wrote about what he himself could not know and did not see, so write in the title - "prison tales"
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 August 2018 12: 22
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            sorry but this is not entirely true, it’s enough to prove that he’s lying,

            I did not understand: HOW can I prove FALSE. without saying ... TRUTH ?! belay recourse
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 28
              -1
              if I tell you that the speed of light is less than the speed of sound, you need to know the numerical values ​​of these speeds, what would I say that I'm lying ?!
              so that cover your mouth and think before you write
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 58
                +1
                I understand that you olgovich even the laws of physics are not known
                1. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 21
                  0
                  No, you just write some nonsense. Solzhenitsyn gave his estimates, in the absence of access to real figures, he had the right to do so. Now we can judge how true his estimates were. In any case, he might be wrong somewhere, but he didn’t lie.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 13: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Gopnik
                    had the right to do so

                    and I have the right to say that he is a liar
                    1. Gopnik
                      Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 41
                      +1
                      You have, of course. You never know the other nonsense they wrote, one more, one less ...
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 13: 53
                        +6
                        that is, the declaration of complication that, under pain of execution, it is possible to drive a person to a fire, right?
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 15: 53
                    +3
                    Quote: Gopnik
                    in the absence of access to real figures, had the right to do so

                    that is, invented ?!
                    Well, if there were no numbers, then all he wrote was fiction
              2. Hantengri
                Hantengri 28 August 2018 13: 44
                -1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                if I tell you that the speed of light is less than the speed of sound, you need to know the numerical values ​​of these speeds, what would I say that I'm lying ?!

                Bad example. It is necessary, and necessary! It is also advisable to refer to experiments on the measurement of these quantities, for persuasiveness. For some subjects, now even the law of conservation of energy is not terra incognita ... Communicated recently with one such. This ..., suddenly, decided to find out where the kinetic energy of his car goes after stopping. It was clarified before trying to write an angry article about how vile official physicists fool ordinary people with fairy tales about the law of conservation! laughing
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  Bad example. It is necessary, and necessary!

                  what do you need numbers?
                  or is it enough to look at a thunderstorm?
                  1. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 28 August 2018 17: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    what do you need numbers?
                    or is it enough to look at a thunderstorm?

                    "I apologize flared up, I was wrong" (c) I changed my mind. And, at the same time, the "alder-like" ones, without hesitation, will always be able to give you an example of what thread of their own, untimely deceased, grandmother, who (as she herself told laughing ) before she, in place, was killed by lightning, she heard terrible peals of thunder! wassat (I hope we both understand that this is an allegory?) What will we do? laughing
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 14
                      +1
                      the problem is that no one will ever call REAL numbers, the bald clown did a good job at one time, there was hunger and repression, the question is how real the numbers are, the necessity and the inevitability.
                      1. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 28 August 2018 20: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        the question is how real are the numbers

                        What do you think the numbers, in such pieces of paper, under the heading: "Secret" should be considered real?
                        Information on the population of the USSR according to the registry office, on the estimates of TsUNHU and a comparison of the results of the census of 1926, 1937. and preliminary 1939 census data. February 20, 1939
                        http://istmat.info/files/uploads/44830/rgae_4372.92.161_l.1-34.pdf
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  It was clarified before trying to write an angry article about how vile official physicists fool ordinary people with fairy tales about the law of conservation!

                  Once again, you personally can be driven to the fire under pain of execution ?!
                  1. Hantengri
                    Hantengri 28 August 2018 17: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Once again, you personally can be driven to the fire under pain of execution ?!

                    Am I like Solzhenitsyn? It's a shame, yes!
              3. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 23
                -4
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                if I tell you that the speed of light is less than the speed of sound, you need to know numerical values these speeds, what would I say that I'm lying ?!

                Certainly: I will give you meaning of these speeds and only after that the error becomes obvious.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                such that mouth cover and before you write think

                If so, then goodbye!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 15: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  and only after that the error will become apparent.

                  stupidity, I can prove to you that the speed of light is greater than the speed of sound. NOT HAVING VALUES OF BOTH SPEEDS
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 29 August 2018 06: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    stupidity, I can prove to you that the speed of light is greater than the speed of sound. NOT HAVING VALUES OF BOTH SPEEDS

                    Stupidity, you will not prove anything.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 08: 10
      +1
      Only recently was the data on extrajudicial killings of privates in 1940 by Red Army officers declassified, and there is nothing to say about beatings. True, the officer who shot the soldier in the BVO, for the fact that he erased his legs and could not go further (!), Ended up 10 years. But there is no man. And how many hard-hitting facts "are there"? No wonder the mass of materials is generally classified until 2045. So why denounce Solzhenitsyn. It's like a mirror. No need to blame him if his face is crooked!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        ended up with 10 years. But there is no man. And how many hard-hitting facts "are there"?

        I wonder what article was condemned
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 15: 56
          +1
          so all the same, lovers of shurik, for which Korolev was condemned, and according to what article, only in minuses can you do that?
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 36
        +2
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, and you do not remember on the fly, what figure of losses of the Red Army in the Second World War gave Solzhenitsyn?
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 28 August 2018 13: 58
          +5
          I don’t remember ...
          Found this: 1. Solzhenitsyn did not speak of “100 million”; 2. Solzhenitsyn did not speak of “100 millions of repressed” or “100 millions of executed”; 3. Solzhenitsyn always referred to the source from where he took the figures of demographic losses he called - the calculations of Professor Kurganov.
          Of the 110 million losses, 44 million Mounds were attributed to the Second World War. “During the Second World War, the USSR lost all its natural growth (15,4 million,) and, in addition, 28,6 million or 14,5% of its pre-war amount.”

          The figure of the loss of the pre-war population coincides with the textbook last 30 years figure in 27 millions. Rosstat in 2015 year calculated these losses in 25,5 millions. Losses due to unborn were calculated by Kurganov in 15,4 millions. Rosstat calculated these losses in 13,9 millions. Everyone can be convinced of the calculations of Rosstat by looking at the collection of 2015 of the year “The Great Patriotic War. Anniversary statistical compilation. "
          CIVIL WAR - 12,5 million

          12,5 million lost population. (Erlikhman V.V. Population Losses in the 20th Century: Reference Book - M.: Russian Panorama Publishing House, 2004)

          Of these, 2,5 million killed combatants,

          2 million killed as a result of terror. The ratio of victims of red and white terror 4: 1

          2 million emigrated.

          6 million starvation and epidemics.

          These figures may be disputed, but they should be challenged by Mr. Erlichmann.

          HUNGER - 13,5 million

          1921-22. The Soviet Central Statistical Bureau determined the population deficit for the period from 1920 to 1922. equal to 5,1 million people.

          1932-1933. A statement by the State Duma “In Memory of the Victims of the Famine of 30's on the Territory of the USSR” names 7 of millions of dead. Demographics estimates from 2,5 to 8 million

          1946-47. Super mortality in 1946 amounted to 800 thousand people. Demographics estimate hunger victims from 1 to 1,5 million

          DISCLOSURE - 0,7 MILLION

          4 million exiled. 600 thousand dead in places of exile (conservative estimate of V.N. Zemskov). 90 thousand dead on the way.

          TERROR - 2,5 million people (minimum rating)

          1930-1953 - arrests on political articles - 3,8 million people, executions - 786 thousand people.

          1930-1953 - death in 1,7 places of detention of million people.

          Maximum rating A.G. Vishnevsky repressive losses reaches 6 million people.

          The total number of people who went through prisons, camps and special settlements is estimated at 25 million people, in fact every fourth citizen of working age.

          In total, the direct loss of the population from the external circumstances of the Bolshevik period amounts to main articles (and there are still not main ones, such as losses during the Tambov uprising - 11 thousand people and such non-core articles can gain several million) - 33 million people.

          33 million people. This is already half of the Kurgan number of demographic losses, the multiplication of which with unborn children and premature deaths passing through the camps will give a figure that is probably greater than the Kurgan 66 million.

          Thus, it is impossible to blame neither Kurganov nor Solzhenitsyn, who quotes him, for lying, claiming 110 or at least 66 millions of “repressed”, because they talk about all the demographic losses of the people as a result of the “war of the Soviet regime with own people, ”and not just those executed as a result of the death penalty.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 28 August 2018 14: 10
            +3
            Thus, there is no reason to talk about "Solzhenitsyn's lies". But liars are those who ascribe to him the words about “100 millions of repressed”
          2. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 48
            +1
            Well, then what can I talk about, besides, many numbers exceeded Solzhenitsyn’s data
    3. Hantengri
      Hantengri 28 August 2018 08: 34
      +11
      Quote: Olgovich
      7 million starvation deaths 1933 g

      Can you justify this figure, Andrei Gebbelsovich?

      Otherwise, based on the "declassified" documents, I get completely different numbers:
      Based on the annual reports of the registry office:
      The average mortality in the USSR for 1927-31gg - 2618,8 thousand
      Super Mortality 1932 g - 2893,0 - 2618,8 = 274,2 thousand
      1933 g - 4999,2 - 2618,8 = 2380,4 thousand
      -------------------------------------------------- ---
      Total: 2654,6 thousand + 20% (error of registry office data of that time) = 3185,5 thousand
      Roughly 3 million 200 thousand
      Moreover, this is the ceiling figure! This is all super-mortality, throughout the USSR, from all causes, and not only in areas affected by hunger!
      The summary data can be taken here https://lost-kritik.livejournal.com/60121.html
      Documents on istmath.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 August 2018 08: 49
        -6
        Quote: HanTengri
        bos

        ONCE AGAIN: I disdain to communicate with you, a lover of mate and.
        I do not read your comments and do not answer them.
        .
        PS When will the "blacklist" be returned to get rid of the annoying ones?
        1. Sweetheart
          Sweetheart 28 August 2018 08: 56
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          When will the "blacklist" be returned to get rid of the annoying ones?

          then they will return when they erase you here.
          you run the risk of being alone and gibbering about rash topics with your own kind. With the same flip-flop, caliber, the cuckoo praises the rooster. because it praises the cuckoo ...
          Solzhenitsyn is a liar and a traitor.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQWRR4_CxfU
          Poetess Valery Vyushkova in her epigram Solzhenitsyn:

          No, the scoundrel was not all the same!

          After all, Hitler for him is a hero of the bourgeois will!

          His anti-Soviet nonsense is held at school!

          Solzhenitsyn the liar is full of sins!

          Vermont scumbag, impudent all more,

          He cried out to Reagan: "Until socialism

          Will you tolerate ?! Moscow is time for a long time

          Bomb like Hiroshima! Is it a pity to the bomb, perhaps?! .. ".

          And here are some passages of the “Russian patriot”: “Russia does not need the sea, we are not a sea people, like the British, but land. Our activity at sea is contrary to the original Russian way of life. As well as from the sea, we must also abandon our lands in the Soviet part of Asia, where peoples live that are alien to us in their culture, language, and, above all, in religious traditions. ” In one of his speeches in Switzerland, he expressed himself even more “decisively”: “Russia must return to its old borders. To the borders of the times of Ivan the Terrible. To give up their activity in the Baltic states and in the Black Sea basin ... "http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2014/02/07/solzhenicyn_klassik_lzhi_i_predatelstva
        2. Hantengri
          Hantengri 28 August 2018 08: 59
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          PS When will the "blacklist" be returned to get rid of the annoying ones?

          You will ban anyone who can objectively argue with you ... And good times will come for you ... You can lie with impunity, without fear that someone will poke you into this lie ... Ah, dreams! laughing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 05
            +3
            Quote: HanTengri
            You will ban anyone who can objectively argue with you ...

            "believers" do not need arguments, they live by "faith", well, the bloody gebnya was tortured by five hundredmulons, they believe in it and no evidence from this belief will push them
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 06
          +1
          are not afraid that you will not see anyone at all? hi
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 August 2018 12: 29
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            are not afraid that you will not see anyone at all? hi

            No. I will not see swindlers, fertilizer lovers from, um, yes, and other belly topics.
            I think that the loss is not great. Such a minority.
            I think that you will not want to communicate with similar ones either. Is not it? hi
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 42
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              No. I will not see swindlers

              and weakly at least one checkmate on this thread to give an example?
              By the way, why did you get the idea that they will not put you in ignore?
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 31
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                but weak though one mat on this thread to give an example?

                Ask the respected Administration of the site about this - she deleted the character’s mat repeatedly, as well as the belly um, yes, things ..
                Yes, you, by the way, ask HIM yourself: he never denied this and even flaunts it.
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                and where did you get the idea that they wouldn’t put you in ignore?

                And?
                belay
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Ask about this the respected Administration of the site - she deleted the character’s mat repeatedly, as well as the belly um, yes, things.

                  so weak or not? by the way there are no deleted comments, so what are you lying
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    so weak or not? by the way there are no deleted comments, so what are you lying

                    Repeat MAT Khan-da, "weak". because it is impossible. Don't provoke!
                    ONCE AGAIN: ask him himself: whether he cursed or not: he will not, I think, be unlocked, he is proud of it! lol fool
                    And then, apologize
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 07
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          ONCE AGAIN: I disdain to communicate with you, a lover of mate and.
          I do not read your comments and do not answer them.

          Quote: Olgovich
          ONCE AGAIN: I disdain to communicate with you, a lover of mate and.
          I do not read your comments and do not answer them.

          and here is the proof that the "believer" does not need arguments
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 August 2018 12: 32
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and here is the proof that the "believer" does not need arguments

            What "argument" are we talking about? belay
            about "ver": I don't believe in anything except documents
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 43
              +1
              the numbers gave you, you could refute them
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 26
                +3
                And what should be the refutation ??? The fact that the official estimate of the number of victims of hunger by the State Duma of the Russian Federation is 7 million is a fact, here Olgovich is absolutely right.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Gopnik
                  0
                  And what should be the refutation ???

                  definitely not in that
                  ONCE AGAIN: I disdain to communicate with you, a lover of mate and.
                  I do not read your comments and do not answer them.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 40
                -1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                the numbers gave you, you could refute them

                If you are about the khans, then I DO NOT read it. hi The numbers of victims are given special. State Commission and the State Duma brought-7 million people.

                The figures are owls. so-called "statistics" is something:
                Stalin 1934: "Population-168 million."
                Stalin 1935: The population grows each year in Finland - 3 million people.
                Census 1937 -...162 million people, but should be .... 168 + 3 * 3 =177 ml and even the census of 1939 -170 million (2 million - postscript).


                WHAT on THIS is it possible to "calculate?!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  osdumy-7 million people.

                  as soon as they write that 7, or something like that, it means that the research work was not carried out, but the numbers were taken from the ceiling
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 28 August 2018 15: 35
                    -1
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    as soon as they write that 7, or something like that, it means that the research work was not carried out, but the numbers were taken from the ceiling

                    The COMMISSION worked in archives, etc.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 15: 44
                      +1
                      it means it worked, there are no such round numbers, it means + - lam, that is, from the ceiling
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it means it worked, there are no such round numbers, it means + - lam, that is, from the ceiling

                        What nonsense is this? Read, finally, the State Duma DOCUMENT itself! am
                      2. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 29 August 2018 09: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it means it worked, there are no such round numbers, it means + - lam, that is, from the ceiling

                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Read, finally, the State Duma DOCUMENT itself!

                        Yes, yes read:
                        In 1932–1933, hunger and diseases associated with malnutrition claimed the lives of millions of people — citizens of the USSR, representatives of various peoples and nationalities, who lived mainly in agricultural regions of the country. Many regions of the RSFSR (the Volga region, the Central Black Earth region, the North Caucasus, the Urals, Crimea, part of Western Siberia), Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and Belarus were affected. http://duma.gov.ru/news/1293/

                        The Duma has already changed its mind about 7 million. laughing
                      3. Hantengri
                        Hantengri 29 August 2018 09: 55
                        +4
                        (continued) Now poor Olgovich will have to take his visor and admit that he is a lie! laughing No, earlier, earlier he spoke the pure truth, because earlier in the statement it was said:
                        As a result of the famine caused by violent collectivization, many regions of the RSFSR suffered (the Volga region, the Central Black Earth Region, the North Caucasus, the Urals, Crimea, part of Western Siberia), Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and Belarus. From hunger and diseases associated with malnutrition, about 1932 million people died there in 33-7. https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838?items=1&page=3
                        Threw Duma Olgovich, it turns out! laughing
      2. your1970
        your1970 28 August 2018 10: 28
        +3
        Quote: HanTengri
        Quote: Olgovich
        7 million starvation deaths 1933 g

        Can you justify this figure, Andrei Gebbelsovich?

        Otherwise, based on the "declassified" documents, I get completely different numbers:
        Based on the annual reports of the registry office:
        The average mortality in the USSR for 1927-31gg - 2618,8 thousand
        Super Mortality 1932 g - 2893,0 - 2618,8 = 274,2 thousand
        1933 g - 4999,2 - 2618,8 = 2380,4 thousand
        -------------------------------------------------- ---
        Total: 2654,6 thousand + 20% (error of registry office data of that time) = 3185,5 thousand
        Roughly 3 million 200 thousand
        Moreover, this is the ceiling figure! This is all super-mortality, throughout the USSR, from all causes, and not only in areas affected by hunger!
        The summary data can be taken here https://lost-kritik.livejournal.com/60121.html
        Documents on istmath.
        -I have a lot of checked old women 1920-30 of birth. All It’s in the documents or 01.01. or 01.06-01.07 of those years. I started asking why ??? the back number, and the date ... apparently it was more convenient for some bureaucratic reasons
        The oldest (1921) - and a birth certificate issued by West Kazakhstan NKVD 01.071921d. This is what prompted me to look at all the birth certificates — there was no organ yet, and he was already issuing pieces of paper ...
        ZY. I have taken into account their registry offices or not, I don’t know, and this is a very interesting question ...
        1. Hantengri
          Hantengri 28 August 2018 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: your1970
          ZY. I have taken into account their registry offices or not, I don’t know, and this is a very interesting question ...

          Hence, + 20%. For, the data of the registry office of the 30s were considered understated by 10 - 20% (depending on the republic and region), already, in the same 30s. If we consider the supermortality rate of 1932-33, according to the calculated data of the TsUNKHU in 1936, it turns out - 3236,5 thousand. close to the calculation, according to the registry office. And keep in mind that the documents, that TSUNKHU, that the reports on the registry office are such pieces of paper, labeled "Secret". Those. if with the help of them the authorities tried to lie to someone, then to whom? To yourself? lol
          1. your1970
            your1970 28 August 2018 14: 31
            +5
            1)
            Quote: HanTengri
            Those. if with their help the authorities tried to lie to someone, then to whom? Yourself?
            - in the USSR, the Ministry of Forestry kept records and there was a record in the Ministry of Agriculture - both counted forests. So after the collapse of the USSR, it turned out that only in our area is a treeless area, there is a discrepancy in the counts around 12 000 ha. And they considered the same forests ... and documents were also stamped and the forest was not needed by anyone (not business, trash). Who lied TOP then- request .
            2) famine in the Volga region was and very strong. For our sparsely populated area and 20 000 people are very noticeable. Millions may not have been, but many people died then.
            To understand, when during the war men were raked to zero (4 600 people), the village was so depopulated that the wolves railway (!!!!) station began to go
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 28 August 2018 19: 11
              +2
              Quote: your1970
              - in the USSR, the Ministry of Forestry kept a record and had a record in the Ministry of Agriculture - both took into account forests. So after the collapse of the USSR, it turned out that only in our area of ​​treeless areas there is a discrepancy in the records of about 12 hectares. And they considered the same forests ... and documents were also stamped and the forest was not needed for anyone (not business, trash).Who lied TOP then-

              One who was not afraid that he, for this lie, would be shot. laughing Is not it so? This is the late USSR!
              Quote: your1970
              hunger in the Volga region was and very strong. For our sparsely populated area and 20 people it is very noticeable. Millions may not have been, but many people died then.

              I denied somewhere that the famine of 1932-33, in the Volga region, was there a place to be?
              Quote: your1970
              For understanding, when men were raked to zero (4 people) in a war, the village was so depopulated that the wolves at the railway station (!!!!) began to enter

              AND?? How do these local, small-town observations refute, or confirm the figures of supermortality, in the USSR, approximately = 3200000 in 1932-33?
              Or the “chilling” fact that: “when the men were shoveled to zero in the war (4 people), the settlement became so depopulated that wolves began to enter the railway (!!!!) station” - is irrefutable proof that that the Bloody Scoop, in 600-1932, ukotrapupil, with the help of hunger, no less than 33-7 million people? I can give you chilling facts - a carriage and a small cart ... For example:
              Summary of excerpts from messages coming from the JCC in the Red Army for the second half of February 1933 March 1, 1933
              1. Rostov-Don, 9th artillery regiment, Karpenko

              “... In Art. The horses were stubbornly made flour and poured with chalk until the cattle had rested, and they sold the bran that they were given. The whole family was swollen from hunger in the same village, and when they appointed a commission and checked if they really had nothing to eat, they found bread buried in pits - four bags, and when they began to ask them why you didn’t eat this bread, but stained it themselves hunger, they replied: "We were afraid to dig a hole." Well, in a word, there are a lot of such cases ... ”Armavir, CCM - from a friend.

              2. Stavropol n / a, postbox number 75, D.T. Melikhov

              “... The grain procurement was completed for more than 100, and the regional semaphond was completed, and the district fund for 5% on February 15, and if the village is not fulfilled, it must be sent to the North. The peasantry lives like this: some swell, high-quality bread is eaten, and bread is buried in a pit. We have a lot of holes in the village openly and, in all likelihood, there are. Based on this, the state did not give us seeds; we need to find it locally ... ”CCM.

              3. Stavropol n / a, 22nd artillery regiment, I.T. Translation

              “... There is no bread, and the plan for the sown area has been brought to the yard. 26% was imposed on me, but I didn’t have that much either. But now pits are being opened in our country, and among collective farmers and individual farmers, pits are being opened, bread is being taken, stuff is being taken away, and the owner is being sent to prison. Do not leave a single piece of bread or even a beetroot. In a word, nothing ... ”Dmitrievskoye, CCM - from relatives.

              4. Novocherkassk, communication regiment, Sukhanov S.N.

              “... A lot of stolen bread was found in the pits, these people were convicted. But still there is nothing, we have a lot of chubby people ... ”Nizhny-Kalmyksky, CCM.

              5. Stavropol n / a, postbox number 71, II. Shipunu

              “One bandit left a horse near Sukhoi, and he went to the farm, and three people remained in Sukhoi. Our people were driving in a car and saw this bandit, but did not pay attention, and when they reached Sukhoi at 9 am and saw a saddled horse, they took this horse, returned to the farm, found this bandit, began to interrogate, and he confessed and told everything where they are, and they live in the forest, there they have a hut with a pit; four carts and one bus went there. They have three pits there and a thousand and a half pounds of bread in them, but ours searched, but did not find, there were 17 bandits, but 13 people had already taken them home, and now they are in prison. Among them there are Cossacks. They did not find bread because there is a lot of snow ... ”From [ate] Dmitrievskoe, CCM - from his brother.

              6. Novocherkassk, communication regiment, Zakharov K.S.

              “... Now in our village a fierce class struggle, fists and podkulakniks hide bread in pits, pour it into the river, Grishaev’s fist poured 150 pounds into the ice hole of the river. wheat and, when he was caught, he said: "My father was killed by the Reds, my mother was evicted like a fist, my father-in-law was sentenced to 10 years, so you think that I will voluntarily give you my bread so that you cripple my whole life." The sabotage took on the most acute character, but the collective farmers will break it down, the bulk of the population indignantly notes the theft of bread and mobilizes its forces for the struggle. In January, 45 pits were uncovered, 2041 centners of bread were discovered. In Popovka, a reservoir of bread at 845 centners was opened ... "Millerovo, CCM - from my brother .............
              ..........eleven. Mine, 11 s / n, cr [asnoarmey] tsu Yurchenko

              “... We die a lot of people from hunger, they lie for 5 days, there is no one to bury, people are hungry, they do not dig holes, very frozen ground, they bury them in sheds and in gardens. The people are scary, their faces are terrible, their eyes are small, and before death the tumor subsides, turns yellow, gets into someone's house and goes to die. Young girls go around asking for a slice of a tavern or a cucumber. We don’t know what will happen to us, starvation awaits ... ”Art. Novo-Derevyankovskaya, CCM - from parents.

              12. To the Red Army

              “... Our life has become unbearable, after your departure there were already 10 cases of suicide and only on the basis of hunger. On the 14th at 12 noon a man rushed right under the tram, which he had torn to pieces. Robberies intensified in the city, in broad daylight they take off their clothes right on the street during the day, everyone saves his life by looking for a piece of bread. After all, here we have hunger worse than it was in 21 years ... "Taganrog.

              13. Novocherkassk, KKUKS, Ermolenko V.N.

              “... We have nothing. 400 people are chubby and die every day for 24 people. We probably won't survive, father and aunt are chubby. You already wrote to you, troubles for us ... ”Konstantinovskoye, Armavir region - from my sister.

              14. To the Red Army

              “... In our Mikhailovna, half of the people are plump, not eating. In the commune, many people have already died. On January 4, eight hundred little children died in the Red Banner commune. They fed Makukha. As you look at what is being done, the soul is dying ... ”Art. Mikhailovskaya Armavir region.

              15. Novocherkassk, communication regiment, Rosyaku A.D.

              “... Our life is very bitter, worse and cannot be. The people are completely without bread, there are people who hang themselves, there are many children, but there is nothing, so they hang themselves ... ”[St.] Kanelovskaya, CCM,

              16. Mines, s / n cr [asnoarmey] tsu Akimenko

              “... Our children begin to swell with hunger, our daughter’s face and legs began to swell. I, too, are obese on my face, I will have to die of hunger. Save me and your children, take me there, do not let me die of hunger. They took potatoes and corn from me, but they didn’t give bread. All the teachers and employees ran away from the farm, those who got to wherever, all the managers ran from starvation, because there was no bread in the farm, they went to the district, they say that you look in the places, but there’s not a pound in the field ... ”Union 5- ty farms of Armavir district of the JCC - from his wife.

              17. To the Red Army

              “... You ask why our business is bad with regard to grain procurements. This is because in our collective farm almost all the people ran away back in [19] 32, even earlier, and there was no one to work, and the work plan was large, and all the fields were gone uncleaned and untreated, moreover, they hit the peasantry hard to fulfill of all campaigns and hit hard on the class enemy, and then still a big crop failure, and therefore the plan for setting grain procurements was not fulfilled and the plan was not reduced, but, on the contrary, was increased by the counter and thereby killed the peasantry. They took all the bread and now people are hungry, there are facts that they are starving to death, as, for example, Alexei Smorodinov, and his plump children and his wife, too, will soon die. In general, a whole nightmare, since there is no food, then the matter is gone ... "Belorechensky district of the JCC, art. Pshekhovskaya.

              18. Stavropol, PO Box 75, S.G. Smartly

              “... There is no bread, they didn’t give it, people are dying of hunger. The supply is very poor, people swell and die 15 people a day. The cooperation does not trade, there are no matches and kerosene. You can’t buy a ride, they’re not letting you go anywhere, there are posts everywhere, so life is very, very bad ... ”CCM is from a friend.

              19. Novocherkassk, KKUKS, Barnichenko L.M.

              “... We are already swelling with hunger. On a day, 10 coffins are taken out, starving to death ... ”Podgornaya, CCM - from his wife.

              20. Stavropol n / a, PO Box 75, G.G. Tumilenko

              "... A lot of people are dying, two and three dead are lying in each hut, and no one wants to hack, they are dying of hunger, there is no bread, and so the beetroots, pumpkins - they all ate, there’s nothing for people to live next ..." CCM - from parents.

              21. To the Red Army, Yeysk, Silk

              “... On the farm, all the people are hungry, chubby from hunger, they drive them to work, and in Kanevskaya the people die in hundreds every day. This is the news in the Soviet country. How should we live on? I wonder who you protect and whom you serve, that the people are dying in vain, and for which we will soon die? You serve, and we are now notified at 13 pounds. wheat, 8 poods. barley and 30 kg of corn, but where to get? ... "Art. Roadside, state farm-4, Silk .........
              Archive: CA FSB of the Russian Federation. F. 2. Op. 11. D. 56. L. 51-64. Script.

              AND?? How does all this help us to correctly calculate the number of victims?
              1. your1970
                your1970 29 August 2018 12: 24
                +1
                Quote: HanTengri
                AND?? How does all this help us to correctly calculate the number of victims?
                - and where did you see me - that I propose a counting system, I think it myself, I confirm / deny the figures ???
                I brought my, local, facts- noticeability downsizing
                Quote: HanTengri
                Or that chilling fact
                - you do not understand - the railway station is a checkpoint, not a dead end, trains went and went. And the fact that wolves - not afraid walking in the midst of trains, trains, the smell of oils, beeps, clanking, the smell of people from all sides - says that wolves are ALREADY starved to the extreme. This happens in one single case - sharp population growth in previous years. There was no large increase in the number of sheep or wild saigas / roe deer in previous years.
                The second surge of this occurred in 1946 - after Stalingrad they multiplied sharply and migrated to us as well. Then (for the only time !!!) the council began to pay a bonus to all those who killed more than 3 wolves
              2. trahterist
                trahterist 3 September 2018 01: 01
                +1
                About Mukhin's 'swelling from hunger', and, in some interpretation, Kungurov's LJ has a whole investigation, reasonably and to the point.
                At the same time about the so-called. "Holodomor" © in Ukraine is very clearly explained.
                They died stupidly because of greed, and about the grain in the pits, stupidly buried, and about the ergot, which as a result of this 'nagging' developed at a frantic pace, and about how the 'swollen' ones found large supplies of food ...
                The beginning is here, then you yourself will figure out who is interested.

                https://kungurov.livejournal.com/82223.html
      3. vvvjak
        vvvjak 28 August 2018 11: 54
        +6
        And if you look at the mortality rate of citizens of the USSR in the 90s (during the rule of the "liberals"), then the Stalinist Holodomor will seem like a child's walk. So why no one shouts about the Gorbochev-Yeltsin genocide.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 34
          +2
          Quote: vvvjak
          And if you look at the mortality rate of Soviet citizens in the 90s,

          however, no one recalls when the civil war ended after the events of 1917 and the fact that after 1919 the civil war did not end so far
        2. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 12: 49
          +1
          From an overdose?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 05
            -1
            from hunger
        3. Gopnik
          Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 28
          +1
          let's see, by the way. Provide data.
      4. Evgeny Alexeev
        Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 22: 34
        +1
        Ah, just 3 mulons died. Small things. Now, if 300 million, well then you can really think about something. And then some 3 mulons. Out in medieval Europe, whole cities were dying of the plague. Why are we worse?
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: Olgovich
      Famine with the unthinkable number of deaths from him in the world in 1933

      what nonsense, the same famine at the same time was in western Ukraine
      Quote: Olgovich
      So it’s not Solzhenitsyn who is to blame for the infvoin

      that is, he is not guilty of lying like an old willn ?!
      even if you open ALL archives all one your Solzhenitsyn will say that lies and multiply the real data by 10
      Quote: Olgovich
      but the comm leadership itself, ashamed of their "achievements"

      you "dear" live and write here THANKS TO THESE ACHIEVEMENTS
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 28 August 2018 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        what nonsense, the same famine at the same time was in western Ukraine

        And in Romania. But Olgovich holds fast! He doesn’t give up! laughing
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 31
          +3
          Poland was seized there, not Galicia, there are screenshots of newspapers of that time, but believers are not interested, just as it is not interesting that the Republic of Ingushetia starved regularly and the people starved to death just as regularly, the main thing is to blame the "bloody gebnya of five hundred mulyon tortured"
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 12: 54
            +4
            Newspapers write, and I read.
            This is not a source, it was hard to live during the Depression. especially in a cluttered corner like Galicia, no doubt. But mass mortality from hunger?
            Are there any real documents? That's it ...
            Here in the USSR, everything is clear and clear. There is a village Staroshcherbinovskaya, 24 thousand people lived before the famine, after the famine 5 thousand remained. For a year, please note. In the Kuban. There is a barrow beyond the village, there is a monument, there are collected eyewitness accounts of how they starved, how they buried, how they demolished entire neighborhoods, how corpses creaked, there is also cannibalism.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 28 August 2018 14: 00
              +2
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              But mass mortality from hunger?
              Are there any real documents? That's it ...

              Quote: Olgovich
              Lying. Facts about hundreds of thousands of dead there, cannibalism is on the table! Not just a newspaper, but DOCUMENTS.

              For documents and numbers, you turn to the Poles! They are passion as they like to repent and tell everyone in what terrible country they live and how the Pilsudski Bloody Regime genocide of Ukrainians and Belarusians! laughing
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 28 August 2018 14: 14
                0
                those. there is no evidence or evidence. Sorry.
            2. Mikhail Matyugin
              Mikhail Matyugin 29 August 2018 14: 17
              +2
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              There is the village of Staroshcherbinovsky, thousands of people lived before the famine of 24, after the famine there were 5 thousands. For a year, please note. In the Kuban. There is a mound behind the village, there is a monument, there are collected eyewitness accounts of how they starved, how they buried, how they demolished entire neighborhoods, how corpses creaked, there is also cannibalism.

              Yes, if you dig the stories of specific families, then interesting facts emerge, to which many of those who believe that "quite a reasonable price" was paid for the "Stalinist breakthrough" immediately fall silent ...
          2. Gopnik
            Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 31
            0
            give the number of deaths from starvation in Poland and Romania - comparable.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 25
              +1
              Quote: Gopnik
              give the number of deaths from starvation in Poland and Romania - comparable.

              and there will be a wrong comparison to explain why, or guess for yourself, by the way Poland doesn’t really reveal this data
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 28 August 2018 14: 50
                0
                You bring, and we'll see if the comparison is true or not.
        2. Gopnik
          Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 30
          0
          And what was the supermortality in Poland and Romania, how many hundreds of thousands of people died of hunger there?
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 28 August 2018 12: 43
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        what nonsense same hunger at the same time was in western Ukraine

        Lying. Facts about hundreds of thousands of dead there, cannibalism is on the table! Not just a newspaper, but DOCUMENTS.
        By the way, I note that during the wild famine and deaths in the Odessa region in 1933, nearby, across the Dniester, in Bessarabia, this was not the case in MIND,
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, he is not guilty of lying like an old willn ?!

        He used the information available to him, about which he warned, and the authorities, in a wild FEAR, hid scientific archival accurate information from everyone, incl. and from him. If the archives were available, then file an accusation of lying. By the way, how did the authorities refute the "lies" in the 1970s (apart from swearing)? Tell me! yes
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        you "dear" live and write here THANKS TO THESE ACHIEVEMENTS

        And how did the remaining 4 billion survive and live WITHOUT them and BEFORE them? request
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Lying.


          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 04
            0
            15 thousand children who are threatened with starvation are a figure of speech.
            The scientist raped the journalist, here in one village 19 thousand died, which did not threaten anything in the beautiful country of the USSR.
            Do not roll your newspaper.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 26
              +2
              Yes, of course it doesn’t roll, it’s not in the USSR, it’s only we’ve starved
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 52
            0
            He warned you: NOT newspaper, but imagine DOCUMENTS!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 22
              +1
              Well, yes, the shurik scribble - the document is not refutable
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 08
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Well, yes, the shurik scribble - the document is not refutable

                The work of the State Commission on behalf of the State Duma is a document and irrefutable. And he CONFIRMED the figure of Solzhenitsyn, even exceeding it.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 13: 01
          0
          Quote: Olgovich
          He used the information AVAILABLE to him.

          on the Kem-Ukhta tract near the town of Kut in February 1929, a company of prisoners, about 100 people, were driven to a fire for failure to comply with the norm, and they burned down, well, so Solzhenitsyn claims
          I don’t know about you, but I was burning (thank God only arms and legs) and I was under pain of execution, I won’t send me to death at the stake, I would prefer a bullet in the forehead
          Quote: Olgovich
          And how did the remaining 4 billion survive and live WITHOUT them and BEFORE them?

          what 4 lard do you say?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 27
            +2
            Gentlemen, lovers of crispy buns and Solzhenitsyn, can you prove from the book, or could you only deliver the mius?
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 28 August 2018 14: 53
            -1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            what 4 lard do you say?

            Of humans! yes
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 22
              0
              then expand the "thought"
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 08
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                then expand the "thought"

                WHERE more? belay
  6. wooja
    wooja 28 August 2018 07: 19
    -3
    Solzhenitsyn’s lies ...., it’s not so simple ..., not only a Western order, but also an internal one, sad as it may be. The Information War ..., the USSR lost it miserably, like Russia before the revolution, and woe-- defeated. On the other hand, the country's leadership did everything to defeat, and Solzhenitsyn - a cherry on the cake ... Technical details do not bother anyone, the word is said ...,
  7. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 08: 04
    +4
    They were published in scientific journals, but they were small in circulation and were hushed up in large media.
    There is no need to rush to denounce ... And one lie cannot be defeated by another. All archival data immediately got into the history textbooks for the school. By the way, in my article "Let's write a history textbook" I quoted an excerpt from one of them. 1995 textbook. And the data from the GARF was declassified in 1993. What else is needed and much more?
  8. baudolino
    baudolino 28 August 2018 08: 23
    +1
    This is all from the excessive Russian emotionality. In Europe, a writer wrote a book, earned money and that's it. And here, for the slightest reason, they mold "the conscience of the nation", "engineers of human souls" and other crap. And these fat women, Yevtushenki and Solzhenitsyn, begin to believe in their God-chosenness and lose all measure.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 08: 31
      +4
      And here, for the slightest reason, they mold "the conscience of the nation", "engineers of human souls" and other crap. And these fat women, Yevtushenki and Solzhenitsyn, begin to believe in their chosenness of God themselves and lose all measure.
      Quite right. "A poet in Russia is more than a poet" But in vain!
      1. tasha
        tasha 28 August 2018 08: 52
        +3
        So not everyone is given the "verb to burn the hearts of people." The power of the word, especially the printed one, is great. So after reading someone's chased lines, juicy and capacious phrases, you get the feeling that the author knows something special, something special .. So we create idols for ourselves .. By ourselves ..

        The writers are still good .. Here are the different hypocrites, but athletes why are thoughts written in giants?
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 28 August 2018 08: 53
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Quite right. "A poet in Russia is more than a poet" But in vain!

        In ancient times, all these buffoons were entertained by people at fairs, but in the end they were trying to teach us life. What teachers, such a life. sad

        Quote: tasha
        athletes why do we have written thoughts in giants?

        Physical education is power! Sport is the grave!
        Athletes, okay, but boxers - yes. laughing
  9. Flavius
    Flavius 28 August 2018 09: 12
    -4
    For all that Solzhenitsyn undeservedly endured from the Sov. authorities, he had every moral right to write anything about her. Moreover, he fought for this fucking power, and she "thanked him".
    Well, he lied a little, so it's quite bearable. For the Communists, one more spot, one less - this is not scary, since they are smeared from head to toe without Solzhenitsyn.
    1. BAI
      BAI 28 August 2018 10: 21
      +2
      And at 45 he deliberately went under the "camp" article so as not to perish at the end of the war?
      1. tasha
        tasha 28 August 2018 10: 33
        +3
        And in 45 specifically went

        A man at the front since March 1943 of the year. What the front-line soldiers saw ... And can we judge him?
      2. Flavius
        Flavius 28 August 2018 13: 15
        +3
        You are probably judging on the basis of your human qualities. But I can’t initially think badly of a person, and besides, if he didn’t commit any harm in the future.
  10. dep071
    dep071 28 August 2018 09: 26
    +1
    "..... the myth of tens of millions killed and repressed, innocent victims of Stalinism prevails ...."

    What a revelation, just legs buckled, my head was spinning from the "truth"!
    What to do?
    Because of such articles, respect for the site editor is lost (if there is of course wink ), and indeed, there is something to say, then Be Good arguments on the table, and if not, then your place should be on the right when you enter the camera. These are not emotions. Friends are the cry of the soul. laughing
    Already got the "truth-lovers" writing with a pitchfork on the water!

    "It is clear that no" sovereign democracy "is possible in principle on such a foundation." - and you are for democracy and freedom of speech ???! You can see right away;))) Write what is hosh, say what is hosh, all this is either hype, or slander or "free truth" for the electorate. My young "friend", personally I can read and how strange it is to think, so without the help of writers-publicists I will decide for myself how I can live in this world without your "truth"

    ps We put minuses more active friends;))))
    1. tasha
      tasha 28 August 2018 09: 31
      +4
      What a revelation, just legs buckled, my head was spinning from the "truth"!
      What to do?

      The confusion, however, is some ... Explain what hooked you ..

      Minus just in case, since it is so important for you, set. wink
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: dep071
      ps We put minuses more active friends;))))

      tell the queens sat at business or innocently convicted?
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 02
        +2
        According to his statement to the Military Prosecutor’s Office dated May 30, 1955, he was rehabilitated “for lack of corpus delicti”. How would the answer.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 23
          +1
          Well, the truth is that he is a squander
          the main problem is that in the sentences they wrote Trotskyism other heresy and not real crimes, the queens sat for misuse of funds, and if we take into account that all these are anticipations of a war, then with real records of figs he would have rebuilt
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 10: 37
      +2
      dep071 (Oleg) Today, 09: 26 All have long been in the public domain on the Web! Today such questions are ridiculous.
  11. Curious
    Curious 28 August 2018 09: 59
    +8
    The screen spat inside - a sure sign of the presence on the branch of the Moldavian branch of Rurikovich.
    The article is about nothing, for example, the next draft, slabbed in haste, from slogans filled with sore eyes.
    It would be better if the author of the passage:"They were published in scientific journals, but they were small circulation and they were hushed up in the mainstream media." I would look through these very small-circulation magazines and even familiarize the broad masses with real figures. This would be a real contribution to the cause of victory in the propaganda war. And so, shooting in the air. In short, the article is slag.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 28 August 2018 10: 35
      +4
      "Look, what did you want? (I would look through these very small-circulation magazines and even acquaint the broad masses with the real numbers). Your sister fell into the pool and drowned!" Baba Yaga to the kid Ivanushka!
      1. Curious
        Curious 28 August 2018 12: 20
        0
        But the issue with Baba Yaga is solved in an elementary, long-known way. Articles of thematic sections, excluding, for example, "News" and "Opinions" are published in the presence of a positive review of at least a profile candidate of sciences.
        1. tasha
          tasha 28 August 2018 13: 40
          +1
          in the presence of a positive review of a profile at least a candidate of sciences.

          Hehe .. There is always an argument for every such idea - what if I give this at least a candidate of sciences a certain amount of CC [(C) "Kin-dza-dza"] for approving the news? wink
          1. Curious
            Curious 28 August 2018 13: 46
            +2
            For every tricky configuration there is a tool with left-hand thread. And if the reviewer is in the editorial board of the site and you don’t even know where he is? Who will you give?
            1. tasha
              tasha 28 August 2018 14: 01
              +1
              Dear you, my interlocutor ... I am not just wandering around with my written shell wink If you are in the subject - the citizen index is there, independent selection for candidates for elected posts, and so on ...

              Oh, before your idea of ​​approval - let's leave the News or Opinion as it is. But, for example, Analytics will be approved by some advice from 12 wink VO readers, randomly selected from those with a rank not lower than the General or something ... If you do not approve, then - into the Opinion category ...
              1. Curious
                Curious 28 August 2018 14: 25
                +1
                It won't do. On the site, at least 80% of the generals received their ranks, hanging around exclusively in the "News" and "Opinions" sections, where you may not even know all the letters to compose a comment. Therefore, this contingent is not suitable for such work.
                And "Analytics" in the direct sense of this word is not on the site. Agitprop. You can safely close, publish materials in "Opinions".
        2. ser56
          ser56 28 August 2018 14: 52
          +1
          so want censorship? bully
          1. Curious
            Curious 28 August 2018 17: 19
            +1
            I want the "History" to have a story or, in a broader sense, I, as a consumer of the "information" product, have the right to demand the appropriate quality of this product. Call it OTK, what's the difference.
            1. ser56
              ser56 29 August 2018 11: 51
              0
              you are either an idealist or .... repeat OTK acts according to OST / GOST, as well as censorship according to authorized manuals by the competent authorities ... bully
    2. Curious
      Curious 28 August 2018 13: 56
      +1
      Request to minus signers, indicate at least your nicknames. I wonder who these "ugly ducklings" are.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 28 August 2018 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: Curious
        Request to minus signers, indicate at least your nicknames. I wonder who these "ugly ducklings" are.

        You don’t know them!
  12. BAI
    BAI 28 August 2018 10: 12
    +6
    A rare case when I completely agree with the author. It should be noted that Solzhenitsin’s anti-Soviet lie paid well. He received the Nobel Prize for anti-Soviet literature and when he was engaged in anti-Soviet activities (the analogy with Aleksievich is very obvious now).
    1. ser56
      ser56 28 August 2018 14: 50
      +1
      But was the communist lie in the USSR badly paid? bully Do you remember all sorts of permits and other adherents of socialist realism? repeat But the circulation was 100, the fees are also quite good ....
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 16: 45
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      It should be noted that Solzhenitsin’s anti-Soviet lie paid well. He received the Nobel Prize for anti-Soviet literature and when he was engaged in anti-Soviet activities

      Not only the Nobel Prize Templetown in banknotes weighs more.
  13. Seamaster
    Seamaster 28 August 2018 11: 54
    +1
    Counting the "victims of the communist regime" was very simple. Even in post-perestroika times, I saw such a show on television. I remember Latynina, Khakamada, and there were several human rights activists with beards like "w ... na in the bushes."
    The calculation progress and methodology were as follows:
    1. A Russian peasant woman in 1913 gave birth to a baby every year and a half in the interval of 15-40 years. Total - 16 children.
    2. If she had given birth to this under the Communists (and there would have been daughters connected), the population of Russia / USSR would have been 1933 million in 1991, and 3 billion in XNUMX. Or more.
    3. And since there were only 250 million in the USSR, the bloody gebnya exhausted the difference.
    4. I considered that my wife, in such calculations, should have given me 40-22 \ 1.5 = 12 children. And we have only two. Terrified - what the bloody gebnya did !!!!
    5. By the way, that peasant woman of 1913 out of 16 children survived 2-3. But this is communist propaganda !!!!!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 36
      +1
      Quote: Seamaster
      And we have only two. Terrified - what the bloody gebnya did !!!!

      Lord, why did they personally create something with you? !!!!!!!!! belay
      1. Seamaster
        Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 37
        0
        Like what? If you believe Isaich, 10 children bloody gebnya exhausted.
        Or nkvdists?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 15: 48
          +1
          where have you been?
    2. Gopnik
      Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 36
      0
      Quote: Seamaster
      By the way, even that peasant woman of 1913 out of 16 children survived 2-3. But this is communist propaganda !!!!!


      That is exactly, by the way, what you wrote - lies, nonsense and "communist propaganda", as you rightly deign to note
      1. your1970
        your1970 28 August 2018 14: 37
        +1
        grandfather had 9 brothers / sisters - 4 died between the ages of 0 and 10
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 28 August 2018 14: 52
          0
          You see. Thanks for the confirmation, although a particular example, but quite characteristic
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: Gopnik
        and "communist propaganda", as you rightly deign to note

        Russia outnumbered the countries of Europe and the USA by 1,74 - 3,76 times in child mortality.
        Of every 1000 newborns under the age of 1 year, 263 children died in Russia
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 28 August 2018 15: 20
          0
          Here I am about the same. Can you calculate and compare the percentage "263 out of 1000" and "13-14 out of 16" yourself?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 28
            0
            Can you read? TILL 1 YEAR !!!!!
            1. Gopnik
              Gopnik 28 August 2018 16: 43
              +1
              Can you read it yourself? Why give numbers that don't fit the topic? Consider the percentages "about 400 out of 1000" and "13-14 out of 16",
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 16
                0
                once again, I brought the mortality of children BEFORE ONE YEAR, then the mortality was the same, gave the numbers from the directory that I have on my computer, there is still no time to look, you want to look for yourself
                1. Gopnik
                  Gopnik 29 August 2018 11: 39
                  0
                  Well, there is no time and desire, why then get in? Under 5 years, mortality over 300 out of 1000, up to 10 years approx. 400
      3. Seamaster
        Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 26
        0
        My wife’s great-grandmother (we are also old), the owner of the bakery (not the laborer!) In the village of Slavyanskaya (now the city of Slavyansk-on-Kuban) had 11 children. Survived 2.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 41
          +2
          Before the antibiotic era. Or do you think that Stalin invented penicillin?
      4. The comment was deleted.
        1. Gopnik
          Gopnik 28 August 2018 15: 56
          0
          I know about infant mortality, that's why I write that your "in 1913 out of 16 survived 2-3" nonsense and propaganda.
    3. ser56
      ser56 28 August 2018 15: 10
      +2
      there are also more curious calculations, for example, V.M. Zemsky's din "TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE SCALE OF REPRESSIONS IN THE USSR", 1995.
      1) "As a result, the total number of dispossessed and simultaneously subjected to repressive sanctions
      (conviction, exile and expulsion) with political overtones amounted to about 4 million people. "
      2) "As for mortality from hunger in 1932-1933 in the USSR as a whole, I consider the most
      reliable data and calculations carried out by V.V. Tsaplin, the former director of
      torus of the Central State Archive of the National Economy of the USSR. According to him,
      obtained on the basis of the study of archival documents, in 1932-1933. in the USSR died from
      famine and its consequences (with registration in the registry offices) at least 2,8 million people. Unaccounted for
      mortality in 1933 was estimated at about 1 million people7. How many were not counted
      deaths in 1932 is unknown, but clearly much less than in 1933. In our opinion,
      mortality from hunger in 1932-1933 in the USSR amounted to 4-4,5 million people (of course, these
      figures are not final and need to be clarified). "
      3) during and after the war, 1,8 million Germans, Ingush, Kalmyks, Chechens and others were exiled ....
      4) before the war, there were all sieges, the Baltic states ... so consider - only dispossessed and exiled for 6 million ... request
      1. Evgeny Alexeev
        Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 22: 13
        -1
        Sly numbers. 682 thousand shot by Zemskov, of course, not 100 million or even 20. This is even less than a million. Well, what are the little things there? 700 thousand here, 700 thousand there. Women still give birth. But if you just take this figure and imagine that they shot 1,5 thousand people a day. 1500 people a day! Immediately after the pronouncement of the verdict, they were taken to the shot. Without even giving the person the right to appeal. In an attempt to protect yourself! If you imagine that among these 682 thousand people, ALL are the highest command of our army. And including the designer of military equipment, teachers of military academies. ALL district commanders were shot. And not once. They put a new one in place of the shot and this was taken and destroyed. If you imagine that not a single ruler in the world executed his entire generals because of alleged suspicions of treason. Before the war itself. And they killed the best, the most talented and smart. Because they always cause the most envy and desire to deal with them. But the Stalinists do not care. They count on the heads. Many or few. Now, if 100 million were actually destroyed, then they would have thought. And here there are only 700 thousand, plus several million dead in the camps killed during torture during deportation. Small things.
    4. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 29 August 2018 00: 48
      0
      But ardent critics of Yeltsin-Chubais policy (I do not approve of it at all), in principle, use the same technique. All unborn are considered victims of the Yeltsin genocide.
      1. ser56
        ser56 29 August 2018 12: 03
        -1
        so it’s necessary to check their numbers with factology ... I have been ill with EBN for a long time, since 1989 ... repeat but under him they didn’t put him on a denunciation .... while the Supreme Council was shot and so on, so on, so on .... but they elected him for the first time really popularly, although I voted against, so it was a clouding of the people's mind, as in 1917 ... request
  14. friend of animals
    friend of animals 28 August 2018 12: 35
    +2
    Everything has its time, the conviction of Solzhenitsyn was very late. Only the fact of mass repressions of the 30s remained important, the numerical order of the number of deaths is not so important for assessing these events.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 12: 44
      0
      Quote: friend of beasts
      the fact of mass repressions of the 30s

      fact of what ?!
      Korolev sat
      what do you think deservedly or not ?!
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 37
        +1
        Once rehabilitated, it means undeservedly. What is there to talk about?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 37
          +1
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          Quote

          then everyone rehabilitated stupidity, not because they deservedly sat or not, but because it was necessary to denigrate everything and everything, by the way what could you say for what ?!
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 43
            +1
            If Vladimir beat you during interrogations and break, break both jaws, then you will admit everything.
            Once rehabilitated, then for no reason. By order.
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 13
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            then all didn’t rehabilitate stupidity not because he deservedly sat or not,

            Not YOU to judge, but the COURT. And he said his word.
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 15
        0
        But did he sew politics?
        He sat for the misuse of funds allocated for research in a particular area.
        Roughly speaking, they gave money to develop a gun, and he likes to build scooters and ride them.
        He did so.
        And sat down.
        By the way, for such shoals I would have sat now.
        And now I would work for a private trader, and would roll up on the asphalt.
        And so, lucky, in a sharashka he shuffled.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 44
          +1
          Oh, how simple it is! And why did the investigator break his jaws? And everything is also clear. Yes, and he cantered well, in the barracks for the dying goner King.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 30
          +2
          Quote: Seamaster
          But did he sew politics?
          He sat for misuse of funds

          Quote: Seamaster
          But did he sew politics?
          He sat for misuse of funds

          the problem was exactly what sat for politics like everyone else, but the reason was not intended use
          if you drop a drop of "victims", then really "for nothing" there was a minimum, the rest for real deeds, but under Article 58 and with nonsense a la "Trotskyism" and "Japanese spies"
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 17: 01
            +1
            Yes, for three spikelets, for example, or for a joke.
        3. Olgovich
          Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 17
          +1
          Quote: Seamaster
          But did he sew politics?
          He sat for the misuse of funds allocated for research in a particular area.
          Roughly speaking, they gave money to develop a gun, and he likes to build scooters and ride them.
          He did so.
          And sat down.
          By the way, for such shoals I would have sat now.

          He is fully rehabilitated by the COURT. Those. this whole delirium misuse is worth nothing.
        4. Evgeny Alexeev
          Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 22: 17
          0
          Roughly speaking, in no country in the world during the 19-20 century NEVER executed a scientist or inventor for allegedly spending some money. I didn’t put it in my pocket, but simply made the project that illiterate bureaucrats could not evaluate. But the Stalinists do not care. The main thing that they read in the case. To shoot the designer, because the commission, led by the scammer Kostikov, recognized as not a targeted expenditure of funds. He didn’t use his own country house. Not for buying diamonds for my wife, but for a project! Project. Well, what’s there, there’s not enough money in the country, but a lot of people. One Queen more, another less? What is the problem? After all, talented people are a dime a dozen.
  15. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    what nonsense, the same famine at the same time was in western Ukraine

    Is there evidence? Should there be mass graves, as in the USSR, are they in Western Ukraine?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 13: 01
      0
      above the clippings from the article of that time, by the way, both Germans and Americans wrote about it
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 39
        +1
        The "clippings from the article" are "proofs" at a level lower than the work of Solzhenitsyn. Estimates of demographers, historians and statisticians, pzhsta, present.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 38
          +2
          funny, Solzhenitsyn’s nonsense does not require evidence, moreover, it is often taken as the basis of the accusation, and articles of that time, moreover, from different newspapers this is not proof
      2. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 17: 00
        0
        Starving children raped a Ukrainian journalist.
    2. Seamaster
      Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 33
      +1
      Yes, with mass graves in general, some jambs.
      No matter how they find it, they are all shot by the Germans or by the OUN.
      There are, of course, victims of repression, but neither 66 million nor 110 million are recruited.
      The most interesting is the Gulag camps in the Far North. According to Solzhenitsyn and others, at least 50 millions are sprinkled there.
      Seek and not find. There is permafrost, and the corpses should be preserved well.
      But sadness (or joy?) - if any, then ordinary cemeteries with dozens or hundreds of graves.
      Aliens or the Solzhenitsyn’s lies?
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 39
        -1
        I myself saw several such graves of the 30s. And?
        1. Seamaster
          Seamaster 28 August 2018 20: 00
          -1
          And how many corpses were in these graves?
          All 100 million?
          In Krasnodar, several years ago, an old house was demolished and about 20 corpses of the civil war period were found in the basement underground.
          Immediately screams: "Victims of communist repression!"
          They began to disassemble - and on them the Red Army uniform.
          Denikinites had fun, white knights.
          And the corpse of a priest among the Red Army. He didn’t please what bygone?
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 20: 43
            +2
            And what is the Red Army uniform in 1918?
            And the address of the house, plz.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 21: 50
              -1
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              And what is the Red Army uniform in 1918?

              and where did you see 1918? !!!
              1. Gopnik
                Gopnik 29 August 2018 11: 43
                +1
                It's just that a person knows the history of his country and knows when the "Denikinites" occupied Yekaterinodar. It's a pity again they did not deign to provide the link, I would also read with interest about these "excavations"
              2. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 29 August 2018 17: 05
                0
                The second assault on Yekaterinodar is the operation of the Volunteer Army in the Kuban from 1 (16) to 2 (17) August 1918 against the superior troops of Sorokin, who defended Yekaterinodar. Episode of the Second Kuban campaign.

                The victory was won by parts of the white movement. The Red Army retreated to Tsaritsyn.
                A century has recently been celebrated.
                In Krasnodar at the construction site found human remains
                Workers discovered skeletal remains of feet and skulls
                - According to preliminary data, the burial is from 20 to 50 years. The exact information about where these remains came from will be known after the examination, the Investigative Department for the Karasunsky District of the Investigative Committee of the Investigative Committee of Russia in the Krasnodar Territory said on 28 August.
          2. Evgeny Alexeev
            Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 22: 29
            -1
            And you need to surely die 100 million, then you are a little worried? And if several million died, is there nothing to say? And if it’s less than a million, it’s all nonsense. Over in the USA (and the colonies), over 4 thousand death sentences were pronounced in 15 centuries. For 382 years. 15 thousand. What does the bulk of the killings and rape. We shot 15 thousand in 10 days! What does the fictional article. You can imagine - the population of a small town was shot in 10 days! Their. How to hate your own people so that they do not care about their victims.
        2. Beringovsky
          Beringovsky 29 August 2018 00: 02
          0
          Aren't you lying? Addresses, links, photos, numbers - to the studio pzhst!
      2. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 29 August 2018 14: 25
        +1
        Quote: Seamaster
        The most interesting is the Gulag camps in the Far North. According to Solzhenitsyn and others, at least 50 millions are sprinkled there.
        Seek and not find. There is permafrost, and the corpses should be preserved well.
        But sadness (or joy?) - if any, then ordinary cemeteries with dozens or hundreds of graves.
        Aliens or the Solzhenitsyn’s lies?

        I will say it personally - in the Far North, in the frozen zone, it wasn’t, and I didn’t count the number of people buried there, and I doubt that anyone thought, but I visited Siberia. And he saw the ditches and the remnants of the camps filled up. When, by accident, in recent years they were tearing bulldozers - and a lot of bones ... I don’t know how many of them there, thousands are for sure ... You know, the worst impression is probably only from the Nazi camps ...
  16. Gopnik
    Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 14
    +2
    It would be much better if you quoted specific quotes from Solzhenitsyn. And so it is not clear what, in fact, his lie is.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 16: 53
      +4
      Quote: Gopnik
      And so it is not clear what, in fact, his lie is.

      And you yourself study the archipelago. By memory:
      "Such and such a fitter on the site has broken wires. 8 years old. The shepherd called a collective farm cow an obscene word. GULAG."
      There are enough of such opuses, Solzhenitsyn collected the camp fest with might and main.
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 17: 57
        -1
        These tales have more truth than Soviet official propaganda.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 17
          +1
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          These tales have more truth than Soviet official propaganda.
          Well, yes, liberal propaganda is completely forgotten.
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 18: 20
            +1
            propaganda any propaganda, only here it turned out more truth.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 19: 22
              +2
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              here it turned out more truth.

              Are you talking about that truth according to which Beria raped two girls a day?
              or about the one on which the people got into kalym more than they could transport at that time, or maybe the one for which there was no order once before the war? !!!
              or about the one by which the Germans were defeated by dumping corpses?
              what truth are you talking about
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 19: 23
                0
                They shot him like an English spy, actually, and they didn’t rehabilitate him.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 20: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  like an English spy actually

                  yourself not funny?
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 20: 41
                    -2
                    Which country, such and the head of state security
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 21: 51
                      +1
                      actually, thanks to this person, the atomic project ended successfully.
                      for the sake of interest, read the reviews about him of the scientists who participated in this project
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 29 August 2018 08: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        actually, thanks to this person, the atomic project ended successfully.

                        Av in France, England, is he too? lol
              2. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 29 August 2018 14: 27
                +1
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Are you talking about that truth according to which Beria raped two girls a day?

                Nobody still knows the exact data, all the more so since the materials on these cases (and even the period of repressions of the 30x years) were again closed. And the fact that Comrade Beria was a great lover of girlish honor was a fact, and Comrade Stalin himself knew that ...
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 28 August 2018 20: 11
        +2
        Yeah. Or like: the convicts at the logging did not fulfill the norm. The guards ordered a large bonfire and forced about 100 convicts to enter the formation in the middle of the fire and burn.
        Or: convicts in a barracks in 40 * frost started some kind of storm. The guards outside smashed the windows of the hut, put in fire hoses and poured the convicts into ice statues.
        Have you ever rolled linen fire hoses in 40 * frost? And what was the pressure in them? This is at the camp, where there was not even electricity.
        Or like in 50 * frost, convicts in a chebesh, kurguzy quilted jackets and SHOES walked 8 km barefoot. to the plot and there all daylight sawed trees.
        So dressed in 50 * frost, they would die after a maximum of 20 minutes.
        But the adherents of St. Isaich believe.
    2. Evgeny Alexeev
      Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 22: 20
      0
      Yes, it does not consist in anything. Solzhenitsyn did not claim that his numbers were correct. He said that it was impossible to say for sure, since the archives were closed. He used only approximate losses during the rule of the Bolsheviks. That is, a forecast was made of how many people would have lived in the USSR without a Bolshevik and compared with how many lived under the Bolsheviks. "Lost" about 100 million. This does not mean that they were shot or that they died in the camps. They just weren't born.
  17. rum
    rum 28 August 2018 13: 27
    +1
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    as you can !!! .

    Andrei, for all my hatred of Solzhenitsyn .. But there is such a thing that We cannot know More ...
    And the fact that Putin ... flowers to Solzhenitsyn .... says one thing ..... WE see a lot, we don’t know and don’t let us know ... But for me there is one indicator - if you went to America and blacken Russia, then you are an ENEMY for me ....
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 46
      -1
      So Solzhenitsyn was expelled, he did not leave. So not an enemy.
      1. rum
        rum 28 August 2018 13: 49
        +3
        He is not an enemy - he * fell ... b *!
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 13: 51
          -3
          Are you a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, a war veteran so called? You need to be careful, otherwise you will get into trouble. Rub comments, good advice to you boy.
          1. rum
            rum 28 August 2018 13: 57
            -3
            Why should I rub the comment? What trouble can it be? Uncle-hero, you are disassembling ordinary meat for me ... For me Solzhenitsyn-, scum and ... was, is and will be ... laughing
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 14: 15
              -1
              You will prove it to the investigator and your cell mates.
              By the way, Solzhenitsyn's sitters respect, you will dissuade them, prove that the cops are good, and Isaevich is bad.
              1. rum
                rum 28 August 2018 14: 20
                +1
                Excuse me ...? Which investigator, which neighbors? Sergey, I understand that you have nothing, but not to the same extent belay
                Quote: Koshnitsa
                Solzhenitsyn's sitters respect, you will dissuade them, prove that the cops are good, and Isaevich is bad.

                Sorry, why should I dissuade someone ... I'm not interested in the prisoners ... Regarding the * cops * - I wish you problems so that you turn to the * cops * ... or you turn to the brothers ....
                1. Koshnitsa
                  Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 14: 33
                  -1
                  Well, your statements are Rum, slander against a recognized Russian writer, a war veteran, a gentleman of Russian orders and prizes can become a reason for initiating a criminal case.
                  These are the realities.
                  They can close, by the way, and the red cavalry will not come to the rescue.
                  And in the cell people do not like representatives of law enforcement agencies and their defenders. Find out why you are sitting, there will be problems.
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                    1. Koshnitsa
                      Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 14: 47
                      0
                      Integration is just around the corner. The Solzhenitsyn case on the liquidation of independent Ukraine and Belarus is victorious.
                      So these are the realities.
                      Quote: Rum
                      uncle, you type * white blood *?

                      Type Givi (Tolstoy) and Motorola with Rifle.

                      This is the cabinet of Mikhail Tolstoy.
                      1. rum
                        rum 28 August 2018 15: 02
                        +1
                        I’ll tell you this .... you are such a funny person that I’m not interested in talking to you ...
                        Type Givi (Tolstoy) and Motorola and Strelkov- what side are you to them? Givi did not talk about * the elimination of independent Ukraine and Belarus * ....
                      2. Mikhail Matyugin
                        Mikhail Matyugin 29 August 2018 14: 30
                        +2
                        Quote: Koshnitsa
                        This is the cabinet of Mikhail Tolstoy.

                        Wonderful selection of portraits !!!!
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 17: 22
                +2
                Quote: Koshnitsa
                By the way, Solzhenitsyn's sitters respect

                Interestingly, this is why the sexota Vetrov is respected? And it would not hurt to remember that because of this writer, at least two people indirectly committed suicide.
                1. Koshnitsa
                  Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 17: 52
                  -1
                  Yes, and he also contributed to bringing the legitimately elected Chancellor of Germany to suicide.
                  At the neighbor’s gate, as you have, it’s like Erzya wink
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 18: 01
                    +1
                    The German Chancellor has nothing to do with it. But the names of those people are widely known.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 46
            +5
            Quote: Koshnitsa
            Are you a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, a war veteran so called?

            it's the same veteran


            but what does the wife write about Solzhenitsen
            In his battery, Sanya was a complete master, even a master. If he needed orderly Golovanov, whose dugout was next to him, he called: “On duty! Send Golovanov
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 14: 49
              -4
              This is your war veteran. Typical communist.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 33
                +1
                Quote: Koshnitsa
                Typical communist

                Do not disgrace for knowing that the shurik was sitting ?!
                1. Koshnitsa
                  Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 16: 58
                  0
                  For critical thoughts expressed in a private letter. To a friend.
                  Carelessly.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 18
                    +1
                    can you voice your thoughts or are you afraid to sit in a puddle?
          3. ser56
            ser56 28 August 2018 14: 49
            -1
            you touched on the funny - Solzhenitsyn fought, received military orders, but a traitor for some Stalinists .... request
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 14: 53
              +1
              But it’s true, Solzhenitsyn captain, battalion commander, holder of the orders of the Patriotic War and the Red Star, was presented to the Order of the Red Banner, finished until March 1945.
              Most of the current Stalinists are overweight white-tickets, grandchildren of the heroes of Tashkent.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 16: 34
              +1
              and you read what received
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 16: 52
                0
                And I advise you to read.
                On the site "The feat of the people"
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 22
                  -1
                  read how you got the first shurik order and think
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 17: 35
              +1
              Quote: ser56
              you touched on the funny - Solzhenitsyn fought, received military orders, but a traitor for some Stalinists

              Vlasov also had orders.
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 17: 55
                -1
                And Beria, too. Did not help.
          4. Seamaster
            Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 07
            +4
            Yes, the "front-line soldier" served well.
            Sound reconnaissance: sit in the rear, determine the direction of the shooting guns of the Germans.
            Not a single wound (my father, the commander of the howitzer division - 4 A deformed bullet from a German tank machine gun - riveted two medals in the pocket of the tunic - we still keep it in the family).
            Read "Butting a Calf with an Oak".
            He brought his wife to visit "to the front", a friend visited him.
            Not to Zhukov came to the front, not to Rokossovsky.
            TO CAPTAIN Solzhenitsyn.
            Any questions?
            Or "Butting ..." and his other memoirs are also communist propaganda?
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 21
              +2
              Quote: Seamaster
              Yes, the "front-line soldier" served well.

              It’s bad, three military orders in two wars, when he sat in the rear, and when on the neutral, sound reconnaissance is such a thing, he completely removed his battery from the encirclement.
              And about the wounds, I’m lucky, some in the infantry went through the whole war and not a single scratch. And some were stunned by the stew in the pro-warehouse too! Fate
              1. Seamaster
                Seamaster 28 August 2018 20: 23
                -4
                when he sat in the rear, and when on the neutral, sound reconnaissance is such a thing,
                ===========================================
                In the rear, yes. And on the neutral side his subordinates were sitting.
                And he - his wife arrived, buddy, too, the orderly runs on the tsarlah.
                Subordinates scouted something - Isaechu order on the belly.
                You can live.
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            3. ser56
              ser56 29 August 2018 11: 58
              +2
              Quote: Seamaster
              Sound reconnaissance: sit in the rear, determine the direction of the shooting guns of the Germans.

              1) so, for your education, the army is a complex structure and has different specialties in it. It is the competent use of all branches and types of armed forces that leads to victory ... but it’s difficult for you .... request
              Quote: Seamaster
              Not a single wound

              at the front, everyone has their own destiny ....

              Quote: Seamaster
              Not to Zhukov came to the front, not to Rokossovsky.
              TO CAPTAIN Solzhenitsyn.

              you have amazing "logic", the marshals are allowed, but the captain is not allowed? bully
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 29 August 2018 12: 10
                0
                Quote: ser56
                you have amazing "logic", the marshals are allowed, but the captain is not allowed?

                According to fake documents? No, it’s impossible, probably.
                1. ser56
                  ser56 29 August 2018 18: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  According to fake documents?

                  when people walk on the edge of life and death they have a different logic ... this is in some way not an excuse, just a given ....
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 20
        -3
        By the way, he left himself. However, after a hint: "If you don't leave, we'll put you in jail."
        And shortly before that he sent his wife to the West.
        And there she published her memoirs before Isaich.
        In which, by the way, she called the "Archipelago .." A SET OF CAMP BAYS.
        1. Koshnitsa
          Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 16: 57
          +3
          He was expelled. He didn’t leave. And deprived of citizenship.
  18. Gopnik
    Gopnik 28 August 2018 13: 59
    -4
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    Well, Jan Hus was driven to a fire. And so - bring a quote from Solzhenitsyn, we'll see.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: Gopnik
      Well, Jan Hus was driven to a fire.

      an idiotic comparison, the defendants of the Inquisition had a choice ?!
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: Gopnik
      And so - bring a quote from Solzhenitsyn, we'll see.

      It is harder to believe another story: that on the Kem-Ukhta tract near
      Kut town in February 1929 a company of prisoners about a hundred people FOR
      NON-FULFILLMENT OF THE REGULATION HAVE BEEN DRIVEN TO COST-R - AND THEY BURNED!

      Only one person who was close to me told me about this: professor
      D.P. Kallistov, an old Solovchyan who died recently. Yes intersecting
      I did not collect evidence about this (as, perhaps, no one else will collect - and about
      many will not be collected, even for one indication). But those who freeze people and
      blow people up - why can't they burn them?
      Because the equipment is more difficult here?
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 28 August 2018 15: 22
        +1
        Those. and Solzhenitsyn himself doubted, citing another's testimony. clear
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 18: 24
          0
          Quote: Gopnik
          0
          Those. and Solzhenitsyn himself doubted

          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          But those who freeze people and
          blow people up - why can't they burn them?

          and immediately claims - they CAN they can !!!!
          this is called PR
    3. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky 29 August 2018 00: 32
      0
      How interesting! wassat
      That's what they drove right there - go, they say, Jan Hus to the fire and stand there until you burn ... or hang it! angry
      There is nothing to do, Gus went to the light and burned out - otherwise they would have been hanged, fiends. Easy to get off good
  19. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 14: 14
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    Here it was necessary to keep silent on all 100%.

    Here I completely agree with you. Who heard this statement by Hitler? Unless those who didn’t pass the radios or at the front from leaflets. Then these people shared what they heard ... Then they as distributors ..

    And no matter what they say, but what formulation was invented - "missing" ... Cynical, but from the point of view of propaganda - brilliant ...

    That's right!
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 28 August 2018 15: 23
      0
      But is there no such practice in the armies of other countries?
      Is.
      And only after 3 years, if the soldier did not show up, he is declared dead.
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 38
        0
        We are not so in the country so far.
  20. ser56
    ser56 28 August 2018 14: 44
    +2
    Quote: tasha
    I think that sometimes it’s better to keep silent, or not to focus on exactly THIS truth.

    you are a worthy adherent of Himmler - you need not tell the whole truth ... bully on this the USSR and got burned-lied, lied and lost full confidence .... request
  21. ser56
    ser56 28 August 2018 14: 48
    +4
    “The myth of the“ bloody Stalin ”was needed,” but what is the myth? repeat What is the fundamental difference - were 10 or 25 million people repressed? Shot 0,7 or 5 million? In essence, this does not change anything ... request
    Is the author eager to recognize the cannibalistic nature of Soviet power in the first 45 years of its existence? bully
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  22. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 14: 57
    0
    Quote: tasha
    The default gives rise to rumors and speculation. That is why feedback is important ...

    The basic rule of WHITE PR!
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  24. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 15: 09
    +1
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    that is, admitted to a lie
    Reply

    This is called expressed his opinion. Not more!
  25. RUSS
    RUSS 28 August 2018 15: 10
    +5
    The article was not correctly named, it must be called - "Samsonov's propaganda lie"
  26. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 15: 14
    -1
    Solzhenitsyn concluded that the Communists destroyed 110 million people. No need to lie! They didn’t destroy it, but RUSSIA LOST IN THE PERIOD OF SOCIALISM. These are different things.
  27. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 15: 26
    0
    rum,
    Givi did this and hung portraits of Wrangel and Kolchak from him, and not Kovpak and Budyonny
  28. frols
    frols 28 August 2018 18: 47
    +3
    Well, now the connoisseurs have divorced. This is where such a man came to us and let's truth cut the uterus from the shoulder :.
    People are trying to reincarnate Stalin because of their own ignorance and underdevelopment. This opinion was expressed by the Russian musician, the lead singer of the Moralny Kodeks group Sergei Mazayev on the air of the "Subscriber Is Available" program on the Baltkom radio.

    "The people look at these Stalinist skyscrapers, and some kind of power is associated with them. They think that we flew into space together, won the war together. And Stalin is a concrete killer who wanted world domination. His goal was a world revolution, and the resource that Tsarist Russia gave him, he could not use correctly. Stalin was preparing for the wrong war, and therefore Hitler won. I studied this period of history for a long time, and I have such an opinion. Not many people share my point of view. I think that the personality of Stalin should be discussed in scientific circles more, very few people deal with this issue objectively, "Mazayev said.
    And why is it all of them so we rush?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: frols
      His goal was a world revolution

      fool to the brow who declared such an attitude is only one
    2. Seamaster
      Seamaster 28 August 2018 20: 29
      -1
      Well, the lead singer of the "Moralny Kodeks" group is Sergei Mazaev. - this, of course, is stronger than Goethe's "Faust".
      Mazaev - head, do not put a finger in his mouth, especially clean.
  29. kalibr
    kalibr 28 August 2018 19: 09
    +2
    Quote: seti
    as a true patriot to like an exceptionally normal Russian citizen

    This is nonsense ...
  30. nekromonger
    nekromonger 28 August 2018 19: 37
    -2
    it is possible to treat Solzhenitsyn in different ways, personally I am not a fan of his work, but honestly answer your question - are the consequences of the war under the leadership of Stalin not terrible for Russia?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 28 August 2018 20: 23
      +2
      Quote: nekromonger
      But are the consequences of the war under the leadership of Stalin not terrible for Russia?

      Of course terrible. Already 2 million Germans were raped.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 20: 42
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Already 2 million Germans were raped.

        from 8 to 80 years old, as well as all the dogs, and indeed all soldier
    2. Seamaster
      Seamaster 28 August 2018 20: 32
      +2
      Of course, terrible.
      After all, they could live in Barnaul Hau, drink Bavarian beer without removing their collar before entering the gas chamber, the children could donate blood for German soldiers.
      What a freebie we lost - to become fertilizer for the great German race!
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 20: 39
      +2
      Quote: nekromonger
      But are the consequences of the war under the leadership of Stalin not terrible for Russia?

      uhhhh !!!!
      in the sense of "Katz offers to surrender"? !!!
      and like to drink Bavarian beer ?!
      you re-read the plan ost, entertaining reading, by the way when you read you wonder, and who came to power after the collapse of the USSR
      1. Gopnik
        Gopnik 29 August 2018 11: 47
        +2
        As I understand it, "Katz proposes not to fight unprepared, losing many times more than the defeated enemy." And he's right.
    4. Hantengri
      Hantengri 28 August 2018 21: 06
      +4
      Quote: nekromonger
      But are the consequences of the war under the leadership of Stalin not terrible for Russia?

      Of course they are terrible! We, the gray-footed and stupid orcs from Mordor, have driven a gentle, charismatic and defenseless Austrian artist to suicide! Isn't that awful? Anyone can offend an artist! And, after all, if it were not for us (that is, our ancestors) ... could still "paint" and "paint" ...
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      2. Gopnik
        Gopnik 29 August 2018 11: 50
        +3
        The terrible thing is that "we" lost many times more than the defeated Germans who fought with the world's largest powers, "and after the war, not only in the FRG, but even in the GDR, people lived better than in the victorious Russia
  31. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 21: 06
    0
    Quote: Seamaster
    Of course, terrible.
    After all, they could live in Barnaul Hau, drink Bavarian beer without removing their collar before entering the gas chamber, the children could donate blood for German soldiers.
    What a freebie we lost - to become fertilizer for the great German race!

    But Lenin did that
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2018 21: 53
      +2
      Express your "thought" more clearly, why did Ilyich pinch the door for you ?!
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 28 August 2018 22: 22
        -1
        Lenin lay under Germany, signing the Brest Peace. Did not hear?
        1. LeonidL
          LeonidL 30 August 2018 01: 10
          +4
          Have you heard that Germany fell under Lenin, having made a revolution and drove out Kaiser Wilhelm? Read the transcripts of the speeches of the parties at the debate on the conclusion of the Brest Peace Treaty and you will understand Lenin's visionary genius. Having retired tactically in Brest, he won a strategic battle. What did Germany get as a result of what it bargained for in Brest? Gold? Only gold, but not so much, and it all went according to Versailles Entente. would the Entente give Russia the opportunity (imperial. democratic or Bolshevik) to take advantage of the fruits of victory, to receive for example the dardanelles and the Bosphorus? Never! So what is the defeat of Lenin in Brest?
  32. LeonidL
    LeonidL 29 August 2018 04: 40
    +1
    I advise the author to specify in more detail and reasonably refute the role of Solzhenitsyn as a historian, and reasonably emphasize the role of Solzhenitsyn as a longtime agent provocateur of the NKVD-MGB-KGB (Vetrov-Bystrov, etc.) and the weakness of this graphomaniac as a "great" writer (the illegibility of his "Red wheels "and everything else, written without talented editing, as was the case with the first stories in the edition of" New World ")
  33. Gopnik
    Gopnik 29 August 2018 11: 37
    +1
    Hantengri,
    And from what follows that the Duma "changed its mind"?
    1. Hantengri
      Hantengri 29 August 2018 23: 42
      0
      Quote: Gopnik
      And from what follows that the Duma "changed its mind"?

      From a change of text on the official website of the State Duma.
  34. ser56
    ser56 29 August 2018 11: 59
    +3
    Quote: Seamaster
    In which, by the way, she called the "Archipelago .." A SET OF CAMP BAYS.

    and someone says that this is a historical monograph? crying
  35. demo
    demo 29 August 2018 13: 33
    -1
    I have always been interested in how a family has surnames.
    And a rather rare and cutting ear surname - Solzhenitsyn, constantly tormented my brain.
    Rumor had it that the surname was formed from a folded Jewish name and surname - Solomon Zhenertsin.
    And here is the interpretation.
    1 version. What does the surname Solzhenitsyn Beer and kvass mean from time immemorial are very popular in Russia. The cultivation of grain for the preparation of malt, which was used for the production of these drinks, was called malting. The malt house (the malt house of Novgorodians and Pskov) was the name of the institution where malt was grown and dried. Craftsmen who were engaged in this, received the nickname of the solzhenitsa. So the name Solzhenitsyn appeared, which thanks to the Russian writer Alexander Isaevich Solzhenitsyn the whole world knows today. “Related” surnames: Solodin, Solodov, Solodovnik, Solodovnikov, Solododkin, Solodukhin, Solodushkin, Solozhenitsyn.
    2 version. What does the name Solzhenitsyn mean? It is unlikely that the name Solzhenitsyn is associated with the verb “to lie.” Most likely, it is based on the distorted nickname Composite, dating back to the old Russian word "complex", ie writer, writer, storyteller. Probably, that was the name of the woman who spoke well and composed fairy tales, there were a storyteller. It should be noted that similar surnames formed from a female nickname are relatively rare. They arose in cases where a woman became the head of the family in the event of widowhood, a serious illness of her husband, or during his absence from home due to long service in the army (during recruitment recruits men were required to serve in the army for 25 years). These were possessive adjectives with the suffixes -ov / -ev, -in, originally indicating the nickname of father or mother. Thus, the descendant of a woman who has the nickname of Slozhenitsa eventually got the name Solzhenitsyn.

    I think that there is a right to consider his surname educated all the same from the word to lie.
    No other thing comes to mind.
  36. kalibr
    kalibr 31 August 2018 15: 50
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Poland, by the way, doesn’t really disclose this data

    Oh, does a person have access to Polish archives? Taking off my hat...
  37. Nikolay R
    Nikolay R 31 August 2018 20: 15
    0
    The author in those days would have lived: https://man-with-dogs.livejournal.com/771129.html
  38. Evgeny Alexeev
    Evgeny Alexeev 31 August 2018 21: 44
    +2
    Touched by such articles. Paphos replaces evidence. If the books where the victims of the cannibal regime of Stalin are named by name are not reprinted now, this does not mean that this is falsification. Of course, 700 thousand executed are difficult to translate into names. Yes, and do not need it. Moreover, the statistics of the NKVD are not complete, not accurate and contradictory. But it’s quite possible to read at least the names of 2 thousand shot commanders of our army. Say in the books of Souvenir or Cherushev. But why? It’s easier to run and scream - Solzhenitsyn lied, he lied. He was a writer, not a statistician, nor a historian. You can believe it or not believe it - this is the right of everyone. No one now relies on the figures he cited. Yes, he himself said that while the archives are closed, it is impossible to give exact figures. Now the archives are partially open. And the terrible truth about the cannibalistic regime already exists. There are real historians who use documents, work in archives. Read, study. But why? This is difficult, you need to break your brains, rereading the terrible stories of the death of innocent people. Why scare the tender psyche of the modern generation?
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  40. Brigadier
    Brigadier 3 September 2018 23: 21
    +1
    Comrade Stalin was too soft for the whole solzhenitsin-like bastard ...
    That's why it rotted, and then the Soviet Union collapsed ... request
  41. Victorio
    Victorio 30 September 2018 23: 10
    0
    Is that the Samson fanatic from Rouen?
  42. ochakow703
    ochakow703 22 October 2018 18: 30
    0
    Just a traitor to their homeland, there are many of these ... now the Skripals are being promoted, and they may well be pushing at the Nobel in chemistry.
    I do not consider myself to be a member of any party, but when I first read the "archipelago", I literally vomited from all the lies and freaks that this talker was trying to pass off as the truth.