News.com.au: Russia wants a walker from Star Wars, Kalashnikov makes

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One of the most interesting and popular exhibits of the recent international military-technical forum "Army-2018" was the layout of a promising engineering vehicle with the working title "Igorek". From a variety of other exhibits of the exhibition, this product differed by an unusual look and a special chassis. As planned by the authors of the project, with its help this apparatus really has to be walking - the use of a pair of massive foot supports is proposed. Such a layout could not fail to attract the attention of foreign experts, the military and journalists.

Together with other foreign editions of the new Russian development, the Australian Internet portal News.com.au became interested. This interest was realized in the form of the article “Russia wants a Star Wars walker. Kalashnikov is giving it one ”-“ Russia wants a Star Wars walker. "Kalashnikov" makes it "by Jamie Seydela. As is clear from the title, the subject of the article was the actual Russian project of the walking machine, as well as its comparison with already known samples, but only from fiction.



News.com.au: Russia wants a walker from Star Wars, Kalashnikov makes
Layout, built on the concept-project "Kalashnikov"


In the subtitle, J. Seidel notes: Russia has become the first country that is trying to send a giant walker to the battlefield, similar to those in the Star Wars saga. However, here the author expresses doubt in the real prospects of the project. He asks: Is this the case when the form got the better of the content?

Russia holds a military-technical exhibition in Moscow, the main purpose of which is to demonstrate the latest domestic developments in the military sphere. The entrance to the exhibition is “guarded” by something that comes directly from science fiction. This is a product of that class, which in certain contexts is called the term "combat mech."

J. Seidel recalls that such samples could previously be seen in the movies "Star Wars" and "Avatar." Moreover, the popular Battletech franchise is entirely built around the concept of military marches with armor and weaponry.

Looks like Moscow is impressed with the sample. The original walker presented concern "Kalashnikov" - one of the leading manufacturers weapons, has received worldwide fame for its machines. The company claims that it is now trying to implement a completely new concept of a multi-purpose vehicle with an unusual chassis. According to the Russian press, a mockup of a new walker with a height of 2018 meters was built to demonstrate at the Army-4 forum.

Kalashnikov on the march

J. Seidel points out that the sample shown is just a stand for testing certain technical solutions. In general, the new development is referred to as the “concept of a controlled direct-going complex”. The purpose of this product is to solve engineering and combat tasks, although the authors of the project do not yet specify which tasks will be solved and how. According to Russia Today, the project is still in its early stages. In this case, there is already a more sophisticated and developed machine that participates in trials. A full-scale prototype is planned to be shown at the next “Army” exhibition.

The Australian author notes that the Russian walker has little resemblance to the machines from Star Wars, whose exterior was formed by large armor panels mounted at an angle to each other. In addition, he is not armed to the teeth and does not carry a variety of equipment, as "mecha" from Battletech.

Instead, the Russian layout looks like a glass egg on two legs, equipped with a pair of not very large manipulators for working with different objects. In fact, the exhibition model looks a little better than low-budget movie prop.

Nevertheless, according to J. Seidel, even in this form, the original apparatus demonstrates interesting principles. It clearly shows the possibility of implementing the light armored AT-ST from Star Wars or the multipurpose loader from Aliens in life. Such concepts may well be implemented in one form or another.

However, the author believes that the implementation of such ideas may be associated with certain problems. First of all, he points to issues related to the combat use of walkers - the practicality of their work on the battlefield.

Fiction

J. Seidel writes that a walking combat vehicle, at first glance, has certain advantages over other equipment for the army. First of all, the walker has the best maneuverability and can literally step over the obstacles on the battlefield. In addition, a high machine gives the crew good visibility and simplifies the use of available weapons. In general, it turns out very terrible model of military equipment.

However, not all so simple. The author cites the opinion of experts of the Australian Institute of Strategic Policy (Australian Strategic Policy Institute), who explain why walkers have not yet found a place in the army.


AT-ST walking reconnaissance vehicle from Star Wars


Superficially examining the mechanical combat monsters that appeared in last year’s movie Star Wars: The Last Jedi, ASPI experts pointed out a number of their weak points. They point out the problem in the form of the need to maintain balance, increased loads on relatively small metal legs, as well as large sizes, which make the fighting machine an easy target.

The harsh reality of many armed conflicts, such as World War II, the wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, showed that armored vehicles for infantry and reconnaissance vehicles must have a minimum profile. Due to their small size, they can go unnoticed for as long as possible and move quickly in order to get out of the blow if necessary. Walkers from fantastic works do not meet such requirements.

Dr. Andrew Davies from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute also notes that the leg propulsion has serious flaws. First of all, it is not distinguished by perfection and high efficiency. As for wildlife, in fact, the only reason for which wheels do not occur in biology is that evolution could not create a kind of bearing with blood vessels.

Another employee of the Australian Institute of Strategic Policy, Dr. Malcolm Davis, pointed out another problem of a walking combat vehicle. Their greatest flaw was clearly shown in the movie "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back." In the scene of defending their base, the rebels realized that their weapons did not penetrate the armor of the imperial walkers. In this regard, the idea to use harpoons and cables to bind the support equipment, and this has led to success. M. Davis sums up: “take off one leg and the whole car falls”.

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The Army-2018 military-technical forum became a platform for the first demonstration of a number of samples of different classes and different purposes. Among other things, concept projects of one kind or another were demonstrated. The most noticeable in all senses was the promising proposal of the Kalashnikov Concern in the field of multi-purpose walkers. The originally presented model of the walking machine did not have its own name, but soon received the nickname "Igor". The management of the development organization agreed to make it the working designation of the project.

The exhibition was shown a simple layout showing the general provisions of the project. “Igorka” was equipped with a large case with a habitable volume for the operator, as well as a pair of leg supports for movement and two small-sized manipulators for working with cargo. The total height of the product is on the order of 4 m. The calculated gross mass of the finished sample is 4,5 t. The layout shows that it is proposed to control the movement of moving parts using hydraulics. It should provide both mobility and work with the load.

According to known data, simultaneously with the demonstration of the “Kalashnikov” mock-up, work is underway to create a full-fledged prototype that will be used in actual tests. In the future, it can even be shown at the next exhibition "Army".

The Australian Internet portal News.co.au, as expected, could not pass by News from Russia, which resulted in an article with a brief description of Igorka and an attempt to evaluate this concept project. It should be noted that not all the arguments presented look decent and can be taken into account.

First of all, one can criticize attempts to compare the Russian concept with “ready-made samples” from the cinema, and not the most successful ones. For example, experts in the Star Wars universe can easily find blunders in the arguments of Jamie Seydela and scientists from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. However, there were flaws in other arguments.

According to experts from the Institute for Strategic Policy, the lack of a walker like the AT-ST or Igorka is its large size, making it easier to detect it on the battlefield and adversely affect survivability. However, this argument is easily disputed.

It is easy to see that in recent years the development of armored combat vehicles has been proceeding along the path of increasing dimensions and mass. This is facilitated by the development of detection and weapon systems. Even a small sample can be detected and attacked, as a result of which protection is of particular importance. Increasing the level of protection, in turn, is achieved at the cost of increasing size and weight. Designers and military consider this price acceptable. Thus, the argument about the size of the walker does not quite correspond to the current state of affairs.


Cargo Manipulator


The following argument from Australian experts concerns the effectiveness of a propulsor with legs. Indeed, such a chassis is not the most successful in terms of energy use. In terms of a number of its main characteristics, it is ahead of any other systems, first of all, wheels and tracks. No less a problem is the creation and manufacture of the walking propulsion, since it has a very complex kinematics and needs a no less complex control system.

At the same time, the walking chassis has some advantages over other chassis variants. So, due to a certain increase in the dimensions, it is possible to increase the overall throughput. In addition, the presence of several pillars provides the theoretical possibility of reducing the specific load on the ground in comparison with tracked, and even more wheeled equipment.

It is hardly worth reminding that the walkers of the “traditional” type have so far failed to go beyond the laboratories and the test sites. The emergence of high-grade samples suitable for use at the forefront, and it turns out to be a matter of the distant future. Scientists and designers need to solve a large amount of various tasks related to both technical limitations and practical application of equipment.

The domestic project with the frivolous name "Igor" is still in its early stages and, apparently, has not yet reached the stage of testing an unusual undercarriage. At the same time, the existing concept already addresses issues of future use of technology. The machine with a two-legged "chassis" is considered as a multipurpose engineering tool suitable for solving a wide range of tasks. It can be used both in combat as a weapon carrier, and in the rear for work in logistics.

This or that version of the use of unusual technology imposes special requirements that must necessarily affect its appearance. Such laws are in force in all areas, including in the field of walkers. Thus, the finished sample, the appearance of which is expected in the distant future, may have the most noticeable differences from the “Igorka” presented. How exactly the finished machines will differ from the existing concept - so far it remains only to guess.

However, one should not overestimate the unusual project. Walkers do have a number of serious problems that significantly impede their creation and implementation. At the same time, it is necessary to remember about the existence of a mass of more familiar types of equipment for various purposes, which are already successfully solving urgent problems. Probably the main goal of the current project of the Kalashnikov Concern should be to determine the real value of the existing proposal.


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  1. +6
    28 August 2018 06: 56
    Bred our dear partners!

    No other explanation comes to mind.

    But it cannot be!
    1. +8
      28 August 2018 13: 28
      This is squalor! Even if we consider only the kinematics of this device. Someone spent a lot of money on this meaningless craft? How does the Kalashnikov concern earn its money? However, this is their business. But I'm starting to feel sick from their crafts.
      Competitions have long been held darpa robotics challenge. Do not need these primitive layouts. You need to do something like this:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9GSF3xaIM
      This is reality, not cheap PR.
    2. +3
      28 August 2018 13: 47

      It’s then who bred whom, we have mache papier, they have such things, both autonomous and unmanned on two, four, six legs, they have been trampling the earth for several years.
  2. +16
    28 August 2018 07: 21
    Our self-made mock-ups were made as a joke, they put it on a pedestal at the exhibition, and out of this curiosity, journalists and analysts inflated the sensation to heaven. Circus with horses.
    1. +6
      28 August 2018 08: 03
      Quote: inkass_98
      They made our homemade model as a joke, put it on a pedestal at the exhibition,

      test for sense of humor laughing
  3. +2
    28 August 2018 07: 50
    When it comes to the colonization of the moon, such things can come in handy.
    1. +1
      28 August 2018 08: 04
      Quote: baudolino
      When it comes to the colonization of the moon, such things can come in handy.

      there it is difficult to walk on your own feet, and even on such "stilts" ...
  4. +3
    28 August 2018 08: 07
    Igor Kalashnikov is not intended for the occupation of Australia. Why are you alarmed?
  5. +6
    28 August 2018 08: 10
    Hih, Igor here is far from the first OBSCR (Huge Combat Humanoid Robot):

    Well, in general - yes,
  6. +2
    28 August 2018 08: 16
    the presence of several supports gives a theoretical possibility of reducing the specific load on the soil in comparison with the tracked, and even more so wheeled vehicles.

    It’s still possible to argue with a wheeled one, but with a tracked one in any way. request
    Simply look at the walker and the tracks and compare, even approximately, their bearing area.
    1. +10
      28 August 2018 09: 14
      If you are talking about stability and cross-country ability, then the point here is not the area of ​​the support, but really the final pressure on the ground (which also depends on the mass). If you make the walker easy and arachnid enough - there will be no problems. (on the contrary, it will link less tracked vehicles even with formally greater ground pressurebecause does not knead the mud, bogging even deeper, but gently pulls its paws out of it and puts it in another place).
      1. +2
        28 August 2018 18: 01
        Quite right. Insects and spiders are optimally arranged - they have evolutions of 300 million years - and not "young" mammals.
        Supporting limbs should be 4-6 out of 6-8 in order to support and work with "hands".
        1. 0
          28 August 2018 22: 47
          But what would run fast the less limbs the better. We are not looking for an excavator from the Kalashnikov concern.
          1. +1
            29 August 2018 07: 47
            Quote: Saxahorse
            But what would run fast the less limbs the better.

            Try to run away from the cheetah, because you have fewer limbs.
            1. 0
              29 August 2018 21: 31
              You are unlikely to run away from the ostrich. It turns out faster with your knees back :) And the cheetah, if you haven’t noticed, moves with long jumps on the afterburner. In this mode, he gets even less than one fulcrum per unit time, compared to a step.
              1. +1
                29 August 2018 21: 49
                Quote: Saxahorse
                he has a unit time even less than one fulcrum is obtained, compared with the step.

                Here you downloaded me, honestly ... Like this - "even less than one fulcrum is obtained, compared to the step"? With a human? With a cheetah? By the way, I thought ... it sounds beautiful - Gerard Гdiocese! Less than one point - does this mean zero points?
                But if you are about walking И running felines, then we have 2x2. The non-simultaneity of the landing of the hind and front legs for some fractions of a second is insignificant - the usual desynchronization of any living organism (because living matter, with all the symmetry of the structure, is still asymmetrical - a hint: are you right-handed or left-handed? =). All cats run 2x2 anyway. Both hind legs, with the most powerful muscles of the cat, push the body forward, the front legs rule and ensure the "landing" of the body on the ground after the impulse of the hind legs. Then the cycle repeats again.
                1. 0
                  30 August 2018 21: 55
                  Quote: Kuroneko
                  But if you are talking about walking And running cats, then we have 2x2. Non-simultaneity for some fractions of a second of landing of the hind and forepaws is insignificant -

                  Exactly what landings. If we calculate the time when the cheetah touches the ground with at least one limb and compare it with the total time of movement, then you can notice that most of the time the cheetah does not have a single fulcrum. It can be shown differently, for example, an ostrich with a total height of 2-2.5 meters (i.e. feet about 1 meter) on the run has a step of 4-7 meters long! Running is flying. With touching the surface of the earth only occasionally. Low low :)
    2. +2
      28 August 2018 12: 05
      A man and a tank on virgin snow ... the specific pressure is approximately the same (the tank may be lower). But a person (and a walker) can easily increase the contact area by putting on snowshoes. And with a tank it just won’t work out that way.
      EMNIP USMC tested a dog-like walker that carried all sorts of things - ammunition, Coca-Cola, pipi-fax, a "wounded" soldier ... The main advantage is man-like cross-country ability. In general, we were satisfied, so one of the niches for walkers - the leading edge transporter - has already appeared.
  7. +2
    28 August 2018 08: 51
    But it was announced that it was a mock-up and also not operational. But the calculation of attracting attention paid off. Now, Western analysts and specialists will be distracted for a while from their direct responsibilities by what they saw.
    1. +1
      28 August 2018 08: 57
      Gene, hello! hi
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But the calculation of attracting attention paid off.

      It was necessary to exhibit a prototype of a gravitsapa next to Igor; lol
  8. +1
    28 August 2018 09: 01
    I was in the Kalashnikov pavilion. I admired the cute Muscovite on batteries, changed all the guns, machine guns, carbines, sorry for the pistols, especially Lebedev, were under glass, at the exit from the other side he laughed heartily at "Ed-209"
  9. BAI
    +3
    28 August 2018 09: 57
    Is this not the case when the form prevailed over the content?

    The appearance of the biped is perplexing. It has long been proven - this system is physically unstable. The minimum number of legs for stability is 6 (less is impossible, more are already extra, if only in reserve).
    1. 0
      28 August 2018 22: 30
      And why is the combat vehicle excessive stability? Conversely, the smaller the fulcrum, the higher the mobility.
  10. +2
    28 August 2018 10: 48
    In fact, the exhibition model looks a little better than the low-budget movie props.

    That's right.
    At Chinese industrial exhibitions, props such as transformers from machine parts - almost every factory already - and the performance is up to par.
    I don’t take pictures of them for a while - pampering all this.
    I dug up a photo on the internet - on naive citizens who are far from technology - it acts.


    At the 2016-17 industrial exhibitions in Shanghai, Beijing - these linear ducts are already exhibiting 5-6 pieces each - of course, all the layouts are purely promoted.
    Those. no working machines will be built on their basis - a dead end branch, invented by illiterate designers and science fiction writers.
  11. +1
    28 August 2018 10: 48
    Robert Thorston, the pentalogy "The Jade Falcon" - there are 15 such pictures in each book.
  12. +6
    28 August 2018 12: 10
    Well, it seems that the generation that grew up on cartoons and films about combat robots got to the leadership of the concern. Just not to live and see how the reins of government will be taken into their own hands by animeshniki ...
  13. +6
    28 August 2018 12: 41
    Next year we should expect something like this, as further development of the concept.

    And there, on the sly, funding for the creation of another "peacekeeping" weapon will be tightened up and things will go.
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  15. +2
    28 August 2018 19: 33
    on the "kalashnikov" there is a lot of wrapping cardboard, and the children of the employees make from it (the "young laughing technician")
    1. +2
      28 August 2018 22: 38
      I think that children would never have thought of such an egg with legs. Children have long known what a combat robot should look like.
      1. +2
        29 August 2018 05: 19
        If we take the Mechs from BattleTech, then the most "realistic" (well, that is, the most consistent with the laws of physics and the rules of engineering) is likely to be Urbanmech:
        1. +3
          29 August 2018 10: 23
          Have you ever wondered why tanks are made as low as possible? Up to 70% of hits in the tower - on the battlefield, everything that rises - is destroyed in the first place.
          That is, the bipedal tree is a dead end branch invented by technically illiterate designers and science fiction writers.
          1. +2
            29 August 2018 11: 03
            Not only this.
            Torque, stupid kinetics. "Grunt on the kumpol and fell." Basically, this is the main obstacle.
          2. -1
            29 August 2018 21: 50
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            Have you ever wondered why tanks are made as low as possible? Up to 70% of hits in the tower

            This was true during WWII. When the basis of anti-tank defense were guns. Today, this is no longer the case; guided and adjustable shells and missiles have come to the fore. Will a very low tank silhouette help against Javelin? No way. Javelin is almost 30 years old by the way. And today, the ability to attack armored vehicles from above is inscribed in all specifications.

            On the other hand, digging into the ground, tanks reduce their attacking capabilities. Actually, today the tank has already degenerated into just one of the means of fire support for the infantry. Meanwhile, the need for a breakthrough fighting vehicle remained. Passive armor today is hopelessly inferior to the projectile. The only reserve is the development of active protection and a sharp increase in mobility. A modern tank can certainly accelerate along the highway, but on rough terrain it is still a turtle. Not to mention the fact that in the forest, in the mountains, in the ruined city, there are many other places where he is almost helpless.

            The only reserve for a qualitative increase in mobility is the transition to walking, and more precisely to fast-moving, combat vehicles. This largely removes the problem of cross-country ability and opens up the possibility of using ground drones. So the direction is right. But serious work on walkers until recently was unfortunately not enough.
            1. +1
              29 August 2018 22: 22
              Quote: Saxahorse
              A modern tank can certainly accelerate along the highway, but on rough terrain it is still a turtle.

              Well, a walker - on the contrary, can move a little faster than a tank on rough terrain and trail in its tail (or rather, crawl with a snail step) in normal (not even on the highway - there will be enough of a normal more or less flat field or steppe).
              1. 0
                30 August 2018 22: 03
                Quote: Kuroneko
                Well, a walker - on the contrary, can move somewhat faster than a tank on rough terrain and trail in its tail (or rather, crawl with a snail step) on normal terrain

                Well, we do not want to see a walking excavator on the battlefield. Mobility primarily depends on specific power. And there are no fundamental problems with the construct. The same ostrich has a cruising speed of about 50 km \ h, it’s how they usually move. And if you run, i.e. press, then already 70 km \ h and the ostrich record holder and did 92 km \ h at the camera showed. And this is the usual terrain. And do not say that the ostrich is a particularly powerful animal. The possibilities of the two-legged scheme are very large.
            2. +1
              31 August 2021 18: 17
              And what kind of engine will such a walker have?)

              PS An interesting topic about walking machines).

              I like this option more (of course, without a driver))))
              1. +1
                31 August 2021 21: 59
                Quote: Maxim G
                And what kind of engine will such a walker have?)

                The engine needs to be selected depending on the type of drive on the legs in my opinion. If the hydraulics, then the diesel will suit, if the electric motors, then the engine is probably some kind of turbo generator.

                And the topic is yes, and funny and very relevant on the other hand. There is a feeling that a walking drone is easier to implement than a wheeled or tracked one. In terms of movement along the intersection, of course.
                1. +1
                  1 September 2021 03: 31
                  How do you imagine it?
                  Tasks, height, weight, weapons, booking?

                  As I understand it, in your opinion, there should be a mobile (up to 50 -70 km / h) two-legged drone with reverse joints.
                  The rest is not understood).
                  1. +1
                    1 September 2021 22: 24
                    I think that something is quite compact, long-legged. Weight within 100 kg, small arms plus a pair of grenade launchers. The point is mobility. Such an attack aircraft can very quickly approach the enemy at arm's length and either destroy the enemy, or block and give target designation for heavy weapons.
                    1. +1
                      2 September 2021 01: 47
                      Why grenade launchers and not ATGMs?
                      1. +1
                        2 September 2021 21: 44
                        Because such a drone is designed for very close combat. Almost hand-to-hand. Let the UAVs carry all kinds of ATGMs, they isolate the battlefield and suppress heavy weapons. But all the same we need "mechanical infantry", the one that will come directly to the enemy position, turn over every pebble there, look under every bush and into every dugout. Only then can you raise the flag and paint the captured territory in your "own" color. :)
                      2. +1
                        3 September 2021 08: 45
                        It is clear, after reading this comment, I thought that we are talking about some kind of light armored vehicles
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        This was true during WWII. When the basis of anti-tank defense were guns. Today, this is no longer the case; guided and adjustable shells and missiles have come to the fore. Will a very low tank silhouette help against Javelin? No way. Javelin is almost 30 years old by the way. And today, the ability to attack armored vehicles from above is inscribed in all specifications.

                        On the other hand, digging into the ground, tanks reduce their attacking capabilities. Actually, today the tank has already degenerated into just one of the means of fire support for the infantry. Meanwhile, the need for a breakthrough fighting vehicle remained. Passive armor today is hopelessly inferior to the projectile. The only reserve is the development of active protection and a sharp increase in mobility. A modern tank can certainly accelerate along the highway, but on rough terrain it is still a turtle. Not to mention the fact that in the forest, in the mountains, in the ruined city, there are many other places where he is almost helpless.

                        The only reserve for a qualitative increase in mobility is the transition to walking, and more precisely to fast-moving, combat vehicles. This largely removes the problem of cross-country ability and opens up the possibility of using ground drones. So the direction is right. But serious work on walkers until recently was unfortunately not enough.


                        As a result, it turns out (approximately):
                        Type: Walking (more precisely, running drone) on two legs (rundrone *, runner *)
                        Weight: 100 kg
                        Height: 2-2,5 m
                        Armament: a single or lighter light machine gun, a multi-charge hand grenade launcher or a flamethrower (sniper weapons and heavy weapons, as I understand it, are not needed - these are the functions of an aircraft and helicopter-type UAV).
                        Protection: armor: similar to the modern individual protection of soldiers.
                        Various modern sensors and systems, communications, etc.
                        Manipulators.

                        It is clear that weapons, protection, sensors and systems, communications, can change
                        As well as manipulators, and maybe legs.


                        * - it is urgent to register the name))).
                      3. +1
                        3 September 2021 22: 49
                        The right approach! The main thing is to obfuscate! Darpa has already scored the "dogs", it is necessary to control the "chickens" urgently! laughing

                        In general, the height of 2.5m is large, he should pass through the door calmly, and run through the trenches without getting stuck. Even taking into account the long legs, you need to keep within the standard army 1.7. The armor is calmly stronger than the standard armor, you can make it, where 100 there and 150 kg will fit. As for the weapons, I agree, the 7.62 machine gun is somewhere in the body and a submachine gun for both hands. Plus some kind of RPG with a range of up to 200m and optional "Bumblebee" and / or a jet flamethrower. Plus, he can use banal grenades point-blank if the body is strong enough.

                        Well, I do not exclude large armored vehicles on my feet, although the tank is unlikely, 50 tons of the tank should completely rest on the ground. But something average in the region of 10-15 tons with heavy weapons as a means of breakthrough and support, it is quite possible to create on today's technologies.
                      4. +1
                        4 September 2021 00: 07
                        Growth agrees, here the truth is, the question is already to the designer whether it is possible to make the legs, if necessary, shorten in battle, or the robot crouches, for actions where it is necessary so that the growth is smaller.
                      5. 0
                        4 September 2021 00: 17
                        For the "bird" scheme of the limbs, sitting down is just not a problem. The speed decreases noticeably when squatting, but you don't need to rush along trenches or dugouts at a speed of 70 km. :)
                      6. +1
                        4 September 2021 00: 36
                        This is what we are talking about, although the idea that the robot should be 1,5 meters tall was.

                        As for the reservation, it can also be changed by strengthening or lightening, if the chassis allows.

                        But a light / medium tank here is probably a breakthrough tool for theaters with everything already rugged terrain, such as jungle, mountains, forests, swamps, or a city.
                      7. 0
                        4 September 2021 18: 57
                        The armor can be much better because there is no human inside. The drone is not afraid of concussion, it needs not only to be hit, but to punch through vulnerable points, and more than one. With a weight of 100-150 kg, it is quite possible to carry bulletproof armor. Moreover, you can work with geometry, I do not accidentally write that the car should be narrow from the front projections. Even armor-piercing ones will ricochet.

                        A light running tank is good in any theater, the problem is in the low speed of approaching the enemy, gusli are good only in the steppe as flat as a table. What we have in real life, hills, hummocks, trees, ravines .. Here the tracked vehicle will either not pass at all or will move painfully slowly. A running tank will be able to pass all these gullies at almost maximum speed. Moreover, an additional plus is that the highly rugged terrain will close off enemy fire. The target will turn out to be flickering. In general, interesting options are visible. Do not compare with today's deadlock in the development of armored vehicles.
                      8. +1
                        4 September 2021 19: 52
                        About booking, I agree.
                        It was no coincidence that I wrote about different booking options.
                        For example, in the mountains, you may need the most lightweight version.

                        And in the jungle there may be a small robot, about 1 meter tall, capable of moving like a monkey through trees.
                      9. 0
                        4 September 2021 20: 15
                        On the tree, the most vulnerable position is just. Just discovered, everyone .. a dead man.

                        But I love your idea for special modifications! For example, "tunnel rats", today's practice confirms that this will be an often demanded version of combat vehicles.
                      10. +1
                        5 September 2021 13: 44
                        Quote: Saxahorse
                        On the tree, the most vulnerable position is just. Just discovered, everyone .. a dead man.

                        Well, this is not as the main method of movement, but simply as a way to increase cross-country ability so that you can operate in the mountains, climb buildings, or climb a tree if the jungle or forest is flooded.
        2. 0
          29 August 2018 21: 35
          I do not agree. Maddog's narrow, wedge-shaped body is obviously better protected. And getting harder and punching. Front Yes, and bird's legs, knees back, more profitable as a horizontal push.
          1. 0
            29 August 2018 22: 03
            I also mentioned engineering for a reason. Urbanmech is the closest to the real world in terms of the simplicity of the implementation of the same kinematics. Nothing protruding or outweighing (and therefore acceptable and plausible stability), since an almost ovoid body with unpretentious "arms" - tools (AC10 and small laser) without any elbows, and God forbid, brushes. The thinness of the joints and hinges is also more or less convincing.
            And by the way, have you ever wondered why Nature rewarded birds only with bird feet? Why do elephants not walk on their inverted paws, for example? Why don't we walk? = 3
            If not, then think about it. It is not just that.
            PS By the way, if you love and understand BattleTech - welcome to me in PM.
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              30 August 2018 15: 58
              birds have 2 alternative movers - wings and legs, therefore resistance to damage is not very critical in terms of survival. Plus, the bird must be very light to fly - therefore, the margin of safety is initially limited.

              and for elephants or humans, their legs are the only way to move, and therefore they are much better protected from mechanical damage. To damage a leg so as to deprive a person or an elephant of the ability to move, you need something very serious, and the bird has enough thread to chop off the leg.

              ps i'm trudging from the locust model
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                30 August 2018 22: 15
                Quote: yehat
                and for elephants or humans, their legs are the only way to move, and therefore they are much better protected from mechanical damage.

                Elephants, by the way, are the only animals that run without ever lifting their legs off the ground. They walk fast and not run. Probably once they had a long and heavy tail, and they dragged it in a swamp.

                PS Locus always reminded me of an ostrich. :)
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                3 September 2018 07: 47
                Quote: yehat
                ps i'm trudging from the locust model

                If you take light classic furs (before the invasion of the Clans, i.e. until the year 3050), then, probably, I like Raven most of all:

                He can also throw his "arms" back, which helps a lot in battles if someone comes from behind. The other day I was lucky - I bought myself one in the hangar. I'm talking about an online board game with a global company playing the 4th Legacy War of 3025 - MegaMekNET. And there all the purchases are made "blindly" - it's just that each faction has its own build-lists, with one or another probability of falling out of a particular mech / tank / fighter / infantry.
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              30 August 2018 22: 09
              Quote: Kuroneko
              And by the way, have you ever wondered why Nature rewarded birds only with bird feet?

              Why are these only birds? At a cheetah, which pair of limbs is jerky? And where do her knees look? What about the horse? And the wolf? Almost all terrestrial animals have a reverse joint pattern. Primates are more likely an exception, they have the opposite, forelimbs with knees back :) This is because they do not run but climb optimized.

              PS BT is already a long-standing hobby, but much has been remembered and in general the impression from the universe is positive.
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    28 August 2018 23: 12
    "in the early stages" - at the stage of the cardboard layout.
  17. +5
    28 August 2018 23: 34
    And here you were whining that everything was falling apart! No, the Russian Kulibins and Shaikhmans shocked the world again. They say (I did not check it myself) that 200 more sailors resigned on the Donald Cook. Right in the first port they came across ... as soon as they saw the report from the Patriot.
  18. +1
    31 August 2018 15: 46
    Perfect walking tank:

    The main thing is that the clearance changes in a second from zero to ten meters, it can look in or sit down at the windows, letting the projectile pass over itself.
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    15 October 2018 07: 45
    I saw something similar, welded from scrap metal, in one car service.
  20. 0
    26 September 2019 15: 10
    in the second world, the fascists created Porsche without a computer walker VK1002 120 pieces without a computer, and all of them took part in the battles and participated in the suppression of the Polish uprising, can you imagine !? without computers! on gasoline! and they worked! fought! https://masterok.livejournal.com/1521357.html link to the PorscheMANEX Panser. By the way, these PorscheMEXs were DOUBLE! In addition to the advantage of Shagod Walk on rough terrain, he has a purely psychological advantage over infantry. God forbid that the Kalashnikov Concern create even the Armor of the Shag-Russian FUR, but, as always, they began for health and finished for peace.
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    26 September 2019 15: 22
    And in vain you laugh - for Combat Walkers the future. China, South Korea, Yankigringo, Japan are actively developing the concepts of Combat Walkers and we would not be left behind by the Ruskim, otherwise our Ruska Earth would not be trampled on by the aggressor’s boots in the future war, but by its FUR. NOTE: I think in Western Europe some kind of BUNDSVER is quietly developing FUR.
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    26 September 2019 15: 59
    And in my opinion the Marauder looks the most real - it is this form that is ideal for the Battle ArmorStep in reality.

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