Putin signed decrees on the structure and composition of the government. Anatoly Serdyukov Remains Minister of Defense

Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he had signed decrees on the structure and composition of the government and intends to hold a meeting with the new cabinet of ministers today, ITAR-TASS reported.

“Decrees have been signed,” the head of state said at a meeting with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

Medvedev said that the new government will consist of three-quarters of the new people.

“How many new faces?” Putin asked, “I wondered, three-quarters were new people who appeared only recently or entered the government for the first time,” Medvedev replied.

Putin recalled that Medvedev "presented his candidates for ministerial posts and his vision of the structure of the government." The head of state noted that he had consulted with each candidate. "That's right, if we collect the new composition of the cabinet of ministers," he suggested.

Medvedev thanked the President "for considering the proposals and attentive attitude to the candidates." In his opinion, today's meeting with the president "is very important for the future of the government."

Igor Shuvalov will remain Russia's first deputy prime minister; Vladislav Surkov, Dmitry Rogozin, Arkady Dvorkovich, Olga Golodets, Dmitry Kozak, and Presidential Plenipotentiary in the North Caucasus Federal District Alexander Khloponin will become deputy prime ministers of the government.
Sergei Lavrov reassigned as Russian Foreign Minister
Anatoly Serdyukov Remains Minister of Defense
Vladimir Kolokoltsev became Minister of Internal Affairs
Anton Siluanov became the head of the Ministry of Finance
Dmitry Livanov, Rector of MISIS, became Minister of Education and Science
Vladimir Medinsky appointed Minister of Culture of Russia
Veronika Skvortsova became Minister of Health and Social Development
Former Deputy Sergei Shoigu Vladimir Puchkov has become the new head of the Emergencies Ministry.

Comments

[itr]

It's just sad I'm talking about Serdyukov

[Armata]

But what is going on, again the tree remained the Minister of Defense. At that rate, he will turn the entire army into his furniture store.

[Tersky]

Quote: Steam Train

again, the tree remained the Minister of Defense.

Good afternoon, Eugene! Today approved, tomorrow removed ..... It can be seen all at once there is no reason to shoot .. Let's see ...

[Armata]

Quote: Tersky

Today approved, tomorrow removed

These words, yes, to God’s ears.

[Tersky]

Quote: Steam Train

These words, yes, to God’s ears.

We can only pray ..

[Sergh]

But the Minister of Health looked at my aunt:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has appointed Veronika Skvortsova as Russian Minister of Health.
Veronika Igorevna Skvortsova was born on November 1, 1960 in Moscow in a family of doctors. Veronika Igorevna is a fifth generation doctor.
In 1983 she graduated from the 2nd MOLGMI with honors and entered the clinical residency at the Department of Nervous Diseases 2MOLMI.
In 1985 she graduated from clinical residency and entered the full-time postgraduate study in the specialty "nervous diseases". She finished her postgraduate studies ahead of schedule and defended her Ph.D. thesis.
In 1993 she defended her doctoral dissertation "Clinical and neurophysiological monitoring, metabolic therapy in the acute period of ischemic stroke", in 1994 she was awarded the qualification of a neurologist of the highest category, in 1999 she was awarded the title of professor, the official website of the Ministry of Health and Social Development reports.
Veronika Skvortsova is the author of more than 400 scientific papers. Neurologist, neurophysiologist, corresponding member of RAMS, doctor of medical sciences, professor.
Since July 15, 2008, by order of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 15, 2008 N 1010-r, she acted as Deputy Minister of Health and Social Development of the Russian Federation.

[VAF]

Sergh,

Quote: Sergh

But the Minister of Health looked at my aunt:

Namesake, same to me, +! At least there will be one minister for compliance, a doctor, so the Minister of Health.

and not like a furniture maker .....

[Paratov]

Encouraged by the appointment of Medinsky to the post of Minister of Culture!

[Prorox]

In words, Medinsky scribbled for culture smartly, so let’s look at his affairs.

[Bunny]

If you read his books, then there is hope!

[OSTAP BENDER]

Everything is sad! Looks like they are all there a bunch of rednecks, I'm talking about Serdyukov and Putin! Only radical methods will help, regarding the Jewish power!

[Max79]

OSTAP BENDER

I agree! The sum does not change from the change of the places of the terms. The stupid-heads left, and in their place, most likely, under the patronage of the same "acquaintances" came ... It's a shame for the Motherland ...

[St Petrov]

come grief-revolutionary go to the Maidan.

his power is Jewish. did not give him money. golden guy, golden hands, bright ideas - but they don’t give money. cattle.

moans began. starving? or war? or cho you whine? where is the product that you created - and it was stolen from you?

where were you all in 96th? or in the 96th all printing houses and the media were busy with cash flows of Berezovsky, whose plans there were no revolutionary movements?

And now your interests suddenly crossed

no need to be ungrateful cattle. Thanks to the Kremlin, tell me that new equipment is standing at the border, and the central intelligence center is working and the strategic missile forces are updating

[dimitriy]

Thanks to the Kremlin for not dying! Thank! And thank you for not letting us forget who needs to say thanks! Here answer my question: if a person is not a thief, not a successful businessman, does not have the necessary connections, then what is his chance for a normal life in a real society? I mean life (work, leisure, family, housing, confidence in the future), not survival.

[St Petrov]

My Mother is a teacher of the Russian language.

my father is an officer.

I served what I am very happy about and sometimes even think of writing a contract, I have unlearned and work. I have a sought after profession.

I had a good childhood, I am very grateful to the Parents who never stole. I - never stole. I did not take kickbacks. Although I was offered. I try to comply with the law and human values ​​(morality, honor)

I see a lot of cars in front of the porch. I know that they are not thieves, normal guys)

I am sure of tomorrow. I know that the Kremlin will not fail. Are you not sure what?

In your abilities? But this is not the case with the Kremlin or Putin. The point is you. Or not?

Or are you not sure that the army will protect you if something happens? Or do you think that they will not build roads, bridges, airplanes?
What is the specific essence of your claims? In the rating of Transparency International or what?

What exactly?

[dimitriy]

I have no idea what Transparency International is. I don't go to rallies, so I'll just write.
Claims:
1-The collapse of the Soviet education system, which trained professionals. The current cooks are dull, without knowledge, skills and desire to improve.
2-The collapse of the health system, which was designed to improve the nation, and not to earn capital.
3-Collapse of the Army. Your father is an officer, no need to explain.
4-Many homeless people, among them there are war veterans.
5th I am an adult and the biggest thing that bothers me is the future of my children. I can guarantee that I will protect my family and homeland.
6-All that I have is thanks to MY efforts, and not to the Kremlin.
Specifically enough? Or add something else?

[St Petrov]

since the 94th in your country 3 wars have passed. How did they touch you personally?
What do you have to do with mining?
Do you know how much it costs 1 day of operation of a submarine similar to Kursk?
Which country has the longest border? Which must be protected
Which country has the most severe living conditions (climate)?

These are questions for you to think about the scale and tasks of the state.


1) As far as I understand, they ruined the union at your contemplation. Education is a controversial issue, like the exam. By the way - Russian students won the programming world championship

Students of the St. Petersburg University of Information Technology, Mechanics and Optics on Thursday in Warsaw won the 36th team world championship in computer programming.

(but our institutes in the rankings, but even lose to Zimbabwe)

so I repeat - education is a controversial issue, in relation to which it is definitely not worth making such a tough position - as a failure.


2)
• I see a lot of hospitals and medical centers under construction, even in such villages, the existence of which I did not suspect
• I see how many medical equipment are being purchased
• I know how much a professional doctor receives today
• I see an update to the medical fleet

Do you need facts?

3) My father is now closely engaged in science in design work. Related to UAVs, Arenas and other things. Probably it is not necessary for you to tell what attention is now paid to these issues?
Now the issue with the apartment is being solved. It was the turn.

4) The homeless are now an order of magnitude smaller than before the start of the presidency of GDP. I hope you will not argue with that.

5) You have now described the absolutely normal and adequate behavior of a citizen. This is not a feat. This is normal

6) It should be so. The state protects you from war, gives you heat, water, gas and gasoline and medical and educational services - at affordable prices (everything is relative)

Or did you want all that you had was obtained thanks to the efforts of a neighbor? Of course, you must get your family food and shelter yourself. And how do you like? Or are you hoping for someone else?

[dimitriy]

I will answer the question: what about yours?
And now the main thing - I have my own eyes and my own brains. And my age is not the same when, when I open my mouth, they are heard by propaganda. I decide for myself who and why to go.
"Gives" and "sells" - do you feel the difference? That's right, I buy it, and then I also pay taxes.

[St Petrov]

apparently not an age affair. or is it better to write - far from an age business? there are snot from poor self-realization.

take a look around. I see far from hungry people. although to speak with you ... you PAY TAXES (well, wow hero, oversized, having YOUR eyes, you are probably the only one and only in Russia they pay the most HUGE taxes)

in general - I wash my hands

but I advise you to realize yourself, and stop blaming power on everything.

took for the fact that he is such a cool guy and earned - you feel the difference?

works as a security guard and works as a programmer - do you feel the difference? and who will be more dissatisfied with them more than power?

I mean, this is a private question - who got settled in life. If you have everything very wrong. this does not mean that everyone is bad. I have no VAZ cars at the entrance. There are cruisers Audi and BMW. And I'm far from Moskvich)

And the fact that you are alive, do not go hungry, warm and with the Internet (instead of working, since everything is so very wrong) - yes, I think I must say thanks to the Kremlin.

[dimitriy]

Oh no no no. So take and say nasty things. Apparently in "your" country is this accepted? And where did you get the idea that I am dissatisfied with my own self-realization? Or do you think that only losers and over-aged soplings can disagree with the policy pursued by the state?
in general - wash ...

[St Petrov]

that is, it turned out that everything is fine with you? Are you apparently worried about others? Do you happen to live in Moscow?

What are you not happy with? Are you not being treated? You fought, but forgot about you? or the debt that you give back to your homeland - is that 13% because of which you are outraged here? What did you give 13% of your salary, but they didn’t give you ...? what?

The Kremlin gave you education as I understand it, gave you an apartment (or earned it?)

Did you go to kindergarten?

If you say that Putin is a thief, What gave you the USSR - I will say what the Kremlin gave you. The system was called differently, and it always stood the Kremlin. And you always have to be with him, not against.

And your criticism is nothing. Vryatli you are indispensable. I just don’t understand where you have these ambitions from - it’s supposed to owe me! I pay taxes, and I have to!

Do you need a car? an apartment? what to give you - so you change your mind?

Make completely free medicine? - Excuse me how to pay a salary? Fill the budget to purchase equipment? Or do you have a plan?

Or do you think that only mydicin is subsidized? Road construction? Is there any profit from this?


Your 13% is nothing. And this is not something worth boasting about. It is your direct responsibility to pay taxes. As elsewhere in all countries, all inhabitants on this planet. For your information, so to speak.

I write here, And your wretched answers in style - nothing, they begin to annoy me. You are a populist. Apart from the confusion, you probably have nothing in your head.


Or how can someone with everything in life turn out to be unhappy with the policies of the state? He brings a word - snickering.

[dimitriy]

hands are not washed ...? can you wash your feet too? Not too much attention for the "poor"?

[St Petrov]

blah blah blah... Apparently this is your essence.

[St Petrov]

and while you are here on the forum it was whining about 13% that you pay is incomprehensible for what,
What does the state rob you of your huge money

New IL-76TD-90VD transferred to the customer - Volga-Dnepr company

On May 16, the United Aircraft Building Company (UAC) in Ulyanovsk handed over to the customer, Volga-Dnepr company, another Il-76TD-90VD:

The aircraft has assigned tail number RA-76511.

The board was the final - third - in this series of deliveries. In total, the Volga-Dnepr operates five sides of this type.

IL-76TD-90VD is equipped with PS-90A-76 engines, the latest avionics - the flight-control complex Kupol-III-76M-VD, meets all modern and future requirements of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and can fly around the world without restrictions .

Based on materials from http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/press/news/index.php?id4=896 and http://www.aex.ru/news/2012/5/22/95350/

ISS OJSC is completing the production of the Telkom-3 spacecraft

At OJSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after academician M.F. Reshetneva ”completes the production of the telecommunication spacecraft (SC)" Telkom-3 "(Telkom-3), developed by order of PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia Tbk - one of the largest telecommunications operators in the Asia-Pacific region.

At ISS, the Telkom-3 spacecraft successfully passed a full cycle of ground tests, guaranteeing its uninterrupted operation after launch. One of the last stages was the high-frequency satellite checks, during which the electromagnetic compatibility of its radio equipment was confirmed.

At present, ISS specialists are preparing Telkom-3 for dispatch to the cosmodrome: installing solar panels, taking initial telemetry data. At the end of May, the spacecraft is planned to be delivered to Baikonur, from where it will be launched into geostationary orbit.

The “Telkom-3” spacecraft is the third spacecraft created in the ISS by order of a foreign operator. A telecommunications satellite is designed to provide communications, broadcasting and data services in the zones of Indonesia and Indochina.



Press services of Roscosmos and

OJSC "Information Satellite Systems"

named after academician M.F. Reshetnyova



50 new KAMAZ trucks received by the military in Abkhazia

More than 50 new KAMAZ armored vehicles entered service with the Russian military base in Abkhazia, Colonel Igor Gorbul, head of the press service of the Southern Military District, said.

“Since the beginning of 2012, more than 50 of the latest KAMAZ-5350 army trucks have arrived at the Russian military base in Abkhazia. During this year, the staffing of the base units with the latest models of special equipment will continue, ”Gorbul said.

He explained that the new generation of army trucks is equipped with an additional protection complex in the form of an armored capsule-type cabin with bullet-proof glass and a reinforced platform. “KAMAZ’s armor protection allows it to withstand bullets from small arms from small distances and protects passengers and the driver from high-explosive fragmentation,” the officer specified.
In addition, he continued, the reinforced base of vehicles that replaced the ZiL and Ural military tractors allows KAMAZ to navigate difficult terrain, while ensuring reliable protection of personnel

On Sunday, according to a report by law enforcement officials of Dagestan, KamAZ was blown up in the republic, in which there were FSB officers who took part in a special operation in the region.

The car that transported the FSB officers was blown up by unknown people in the Sergokalinsky district of Dagestan, on the section of the Utamysh-Kichi-Gamri road. No one was injured in the explosion. KamAZ, carrying FSB officers, was armored.

At the site of the explosion, a funnel of 1 m deep formed.

and so on guy


You see the difference between the real patriots - who were traveling in that undermined Kamaz - from you. Sitting at home in the heat - criticizing.

[Alekseev]

Thank you for the valuable information, you are our prophet, otherwise we have become impoverished, we do not own a TV or the Internet. Of course, under EBN it was a little worse (and even harder after the war), and oil was cheaper than $ 100 per barrel.
It is a shame for Russia to still release 5 remotorized 76s, and even then they were made at a dying plant in Tashkent, in Ulyanovsk they have not yet given birth to production. About a thousand were made to bring these airplanes back to the times ... The wealth of the subsoil saves us, the GDP has also done a lot, but there is no order, the industry is working weakly, it does not smell of modernization yet. What did Chubais achieve there? Will you post it? It is very interesting ... It is "allowed" to steal (to the authorities) and take bribes, there is a tendency towards the irremovability of power and the formation of clans. The chiefs are relatives and a "thug", there is no demand.
You are probably not a bad person, sincerely want it to be better, more fun (like we all) . But cheap propaganda, intended for the layman, is not the best argument.

[rate 60]

ct Petrov confirming your idea, one Jewish oligarch once said: those who do not have a billion can go in the ass.

[nnnnnnnnn]

Experts on the dissertation of the Minister: 1-2 year course level

Experts who read Medinsky's dissertation in their blogs were perplexed by the quality of the work, accusing the author of "a priori" approaches, lack of modern methodology, ignorance of modern literature on Russia, both domestic and foreign, in the inability to use sources. The level of research critics called the "coursework level 1-2 courses."

One of the specialists in his blog singles out the following phrase from the author's abstract: "It is necessary to create such an information base that would be able to serve not only to increase the methodological culture of history teachers, but also to significantly improve the quality of teaching students and postgraduates, to form their correct historical consciousness, and means the education of conscientious patriots of Russia. "

Ex-deputy caught using Google

The dissertation of the newly minted Minister of Culture is devoted to the coverage of the Russian state by foreigners in the 2002th-2009th centuries. It became a logical continuation of the TV films and books "Myths about Russia", published in XNUMX-XNUMX.

Bloggers who convicted the ex-deputy of plagiarism cited several coincidences in the abstract, which a simple search in Google gives:

V.R.Medinsky: The analysis of historical materials carried out by the author showed that in the published works ... only certain stages of the period under study or some of the issues under consideration are disclosed Problems.

NV Lyapunova: The historiographic and source analysis carried out by the author showed that in the published works ... only certain stages of the period under study or part of the issues of the problem under consideration are revealed. ("Evolution of professional church education in Russia", 2006)

V.R. Medinsky: All these principles, methods and approaches, of course, do not cover the entire methodology, but in essence express only the research strategy that guided the author.

VI Kurashov: All these principles, methods and approaches, of course, do not cover the entire methodology, but in their essence only express the research strategy that guided the author. ("Development of military air defense of the Red Army in the interwar period" (1922 - 1941), 2009)

V.R.Medinsky: The image of Russia in the West has evolved largely thanks to the works written by contemporaries.

Nikolai Lobanov: The image of Russia in the West was formed largely thanks to literary works written by contemporaries. ("The Image of Russia in European Culture", Vestnik MGPU, N1, 2008)

Let us remind you that Medinsky dismissed the accusations of plagiarism, calling this "template phrases" that can allegedly be used in the abstract. He refused to engage in polemics with opponents, although after the appearance of the critical article "Cave Source Studies" on the Polit.ru website, a number of historians undertook to defend him (in particular, RAS Corresponding Member Andrei Nikolayevich Sakharov wrote that Medinsky's critic is "zero without a stick", and discuss his statements "even funny").

The lawyers explained to the Kommersant FM radio station that “if the text of an abstract, a work of scientific literature, contains direct borrowings, then, of course, we are talking about plagiarism. It has always been recognized as a criminal offense, now there is also an article, in general, including the Criminal Code, and there is civil liability. "The decision on this issue is always established by the court, an examination is carried out," if the deputy - the author of the abstract - refers to that these are not some original fragments used by him, but templates, then he must argue his position and prove by documentary evidence that such phrases are standard templates. "

And once in an interview with the Epoch Times, Medinsky was asked about the "informal" nature of his texts - whether he was working on this on purpose.

In response, Medinsky said that he was a journalist by one education, and therefore did not know how to write differently.
"When writing my doctoral dissertation, the academic council forced me to redo it ten times. When I submitted the abstract for my dissertation, they looked at the department and said that everything you wrote is not good. In the end, I spat and said, write yourself that All these standard formulations, phrases - so awful. As a result, the abstract was revised by the specialists of the department as it should, but it turned out to be completely indigestible reading, "the politician and historian said.

[gojesi]

Quote: Paratov

Encouraged by the appointment of Medinsky as Minister of Culture

do you think that now the ministry of culture will not finance films like gay-germanikovskim, guskovskim and others like that, that will not give money for hidden advertising of alcohol consumption ??? What personally encourages you ???

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Paratov

Encouraged by the appointment of Medinsky to the post of Minister of Culture!

read at your leisure do not consider it a problem download this link
http://narod.ru/disk/43121931001.e76b57d02508b925e5bee9fd372cb393/antimedynskij2
012.pdf.html

[St Petrov]

with furniture maker the army was saturated with equipment and fuel and lubricants, they began to repair airfields, increased money allowances, filled all large and not very shipyards with orders.

They began to massively introduce a new connection in the army. They began to actively build early warning radars.

They began to plant "generals" and other cattle plundering the army (of course there were organizational mistakes, but those who do nothing do not have them)

Under Serdyukov, the Strategic Missile Forces were updated by one third and the South-West Military District fleet was updated by 80% (including the Ka-52, Mi28, Mi-35, T-90, t-72bm, they signed a contract for work with the MiG-31). It was decided to open a second production line along the yaks and so on like that

When it established the work of many factories of the military-industrial complex

Under Serdyukov, they began to actively fight and fight productively with hazing.

Under Serdyukov, the housing issue began to move.

I can tell you the facts here. And the maximum you can say here is what he has not done yet.


Then if you weigh and think what hell fell into his hands, remember how cowardly merged from their duties - Grachev and his deputies. It was necessary to break this system. I needed a financially competent person to make out all this financial hell.

The time will come fighting officer. It is necessary for him to clear the soil, deal with finances, and establish the apparatus.

The combat officer will not spend time on this) Therefore, while Serdyukov, and he really works, I see this by the way the money goes into the army.

And the military will do everything as it should already with the army itself, and not with its fin.apparat

Everything has its time, do not consider yourself smarter than everyone, sitting in the kitchen typing comments

[St Petrov]

The decisions that the Kremlin makes can be objectively questioned when there is information. in all its facets, the department of analysts of the GRU, the FSB, Wasserman and so on. It is necessary to take into account many factors, to use a large apparatus. View from all sides. With all your desire, you will not have as much objective and comprehensive information as the Kremlin.

Therefore, criticizing his decisions, seeing the result is not very good. It smells not of objectivism)

And do not blame the authorities for personal problems. This is also a fact. It is necessary to look at things objectively.

I know that many worthy people were fired from the army, but I also know that when the second Chechen one began, they ate gathered 40 groups from the 000 millionth army.

It is necessary to look at things from many angles and take into account a lot of factors. Planning.

Someone is given, someone is not. If we would like to change, we would choose appropriate professions at one time. Would become worthy officials.

Worthy policemen ...

But it’s easier to pee caustic comments about a bottle of champagne.

Okay, here is VeteranAirfors. Well man. Officer as far as I understand. You can see that he’s literate, it’s clear what kind of homeland he cares for. He criticizes power. We refer to the fact that he is right in many ways. But not in everything.

And when some little dodger writes this, criticizing Putin’s decision on Serdyukov, reviewing the event from his bell tower, this is not an ice.

I want to scare.

[Vadim555]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Under Serdyukov, the Strategic Missile Forces were updated by one third and the South-West Military District fleet was updated by 80% (including the Ka-52, Mi28, Mi-35, T-90, t-72bm, they signed a contract for work with the MiG-31). It was decided to open a second production line along the yaks and so on like that

When it established the work of many factories of the military-industrial complex

And you do not admit that all this Not thanks, but contrary to Serdyukov?

[St Petrov]

no. because he secretary of defense. and all these decisions have passed through him and his signature. Moreover, such a thing as the re-equipment of the troops of the Southern Military District by 80% with new and modernized equipment.
or reequipping a division into YaRS.
Or the purchase of a nuclear submarine
Or is he not in the know, is he putting spokes in the wheels? What nonsense? His actions, which were discussed in the press, are criticism of him, for the fact that he pressed prices on some products. But in such important issues, he was "helped" by VVP with making the right decision (specifically about the cost of the nuclear submarine)

He is with numbers. He is a marketer. Such a person should steer in such a mess - like the 2004 army

He hits the price for the sake of the department that he was appointed to manage. This is his task, it is impossible to criticize for this, especially since on important issues and under pressure - he makes the right decisions. Well, if that would be adequate.

I myself did not like him, and now I am writing this and once again I am convinced that Serdyukov is a normal guy


the more I see the result and the new technique that fairy tales have told me about since 96.
and anyone can find the information he is interested in, this site does not show even 20% of all the new products in our army.

So here is the situation - the glass is half full or empty. Life is multifaceted like a glass

[St Petrov]

+ Serdyukov is already considered a "military officer" - to get in the jaw from Shamanov, not everyone can stand it

[Vadim555]

Quote: s-t Petrov

no. because he is the minister of defense. and all these decisions went through him and his signature.

I'd love to believe you, but when I compare with Ukraine, questions arise.
In Ukraine, the military-industrial complex for the most part is barely breathing, as soon as the plant hurries up and money appears, so immediately they begin to do something. By and large, the plant finances itself (Malysheva, for example). Perhaps I am not in the subject, but from experience I know that anyone can manage the "enterprise", as a destroyer, but as a creator, only a few can.
Do not forget that Serdyukov also has a retinue selected by him, and the retinue plays the king.

Quote: s-t Petrov

So here is the situation - the glass is half full or empty. Life is multifaceted like a glass

Faceted glass day
The birthday of a faceted glass is September 11th. It was on this day, in 1943, that the oldest glass plant in Russia in the city of Gus-Khrustalny produced the first Soviet faceted glass. The design of the Soviet-style faceted glass is attributed to V.I. Mukhina, the author of the monumental composition "Worker and Collective Farm Woman", but there is no documentary evidence of this. The faceted glass has 16 sides, which makes it much stronger and can survive a fall on a concrete floor from a meter height. Therefore, faceted glasses are still produced and are used in catering establishments, as well as in passenger trains (usually with a cup holder).

[St Petrov]

Now we have everything with the factories thank God. And every year we are rebuilding and building more and more factories.

Here is the news of the Russian military-industrial complex and not Ukrainian. And we are discussing Serdyukov and not your minister.

And the fact that I write about the rearmament of the army, I post news with photos, I bring sources - you can believe it, you can not believe it - that's not the point. the bottom line is that everything as I write on the ground.

I'm tired of telling about our military-industrial complex to every unbeliever.

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/ - то что сделано в России в последнее время
http://sdelanounas.in.ua/ - то что сделано у Вас, на Украине.


and better let me try to dissuade you after you familiarize yourself with both sites. there is a lot of good news. At the expense of Ukrainian - I do not know. Honestly, I'm not interested

[slav4ikus]

if he is the Minister of Defense this does not mean that he is a bright head!
By the way, about signatures6 before the new year, a bright-headed order appeared to suspend payments to all foster employees for half a year, when a scandal arose, it turned out that IT had not signed anything and in general had everything slipped into it ... what was it ???

[slav4ikus]

What TV are you watching ??? what reforms? what is the work of airfields? everything crushed under him Slavyanka which belongs to Serdyukov’s wife, what the hell ??? the feeder is not finished, he got it, that’s it sawing and dusting and grunting with pleasure

[St Petrov]

Well, if I prove that I'm writing here as it is, but you can’t? What will we call you then?

I'm specifically about the new weapons in the army, and its large-scale count.
I don’t know what you are writing about. My father is an officer - if there were any interruptions in salary - my father did not focus on this.

Recently I was traveling with a "supervisor" Lieutenant Colonel Skarina (a good Air Force officer, maybe someone knows, the world is small), he did not tell me anything about the suspension of payments.

I just live in a military town. So here all the ministry trends are heard - in the train - in the park - in line

[APASUS]

Quote: Sergh

Russian President Vladimir Putin has appointed Veronika Skvortsova as Russian Minister of Health. Veronika Igorevna Skvortsova was born on November 1, 1960 in Moscow in a family of doctors. Veronika Igorevna is a fifth generation doctor.

At least one minister will have a specialized education! won't ask stupid questions

[755962]

Quote: Tersky

Today approved, tomorrow removed.

Now about why you can’t and shouldn’t shoot Serdyukov.
He began and led the most serious military reform of all time the existence of both the Russian and Soviet army. The general directions of this reform are certainly correct. The methods by which all this is done are terrible, as well as the officials conducting it who are not ready for this from either a professional or moral point of view. Serdyukov has now implemented the first stage of the reform and the old Soviet-style army no longer exists, the time has come to create a new army, which is not happening yet. But Serdyukov must do this himself, as he represents the highest political leadership in the Army, who found him and appointed him to perform precisely this task.
In other words, the task must be completed by the one who started it, in this case Serdyukov. It is very important, because when we then look for the extreme (as they say, "the hero will be looking for either the people's reward or the hangman's noose"), we must know for sure who carried out the reform from beginning to end, and who should be responsible for it.

Major General Alexander Vladimirov http://www.kadet.ru/lichno/vlad_v/InterviuKMRU.htm

[Tersky]

Quote: 755962

because when we then look for the extreme (as the saying goes, "either the people's reward or the hangman's noose" will seek a hero), we must know for sure who carried out the reform from beginning to end, and who should be responsible for it.

And rightly so!

[Cadet787]

Tersky.
Greetings, Victor. “Storetkin, the army began to collapse, so you suggest that he would ruin it to the end? And you don't need to look for anyone here. But you need to stop him and ask him for the unprecedented collapse of the Armed Forces, only now there is no one.

[SlavaS]

Let's wait and see, it’s not long to wait, until about 15 years, the result will be visible

[Tersky]

Good evening, George! - (as the saying goes, "either the people's reward or the hangman's noose will seek the hero" A thief should sit in jail

[Tomato]

"the hero will be looking for either the people's reward or the hangman's noose"

As a rule, we only hang stars, everyone somehow avoids the loop.

[wolk71]

I also completely agree, the reform is not finished yet and it’s too early to remove, the more important ministry and ministers to change like gloves are not good. Nurgaliyev carried out the reform and it failed. He himself reported that behind his back the crystal-clear policemen remained, all the bribe takers and the unworthy were kicked out, but not all or the wrong ones were kicked out. Here it is necessary to understand who kicked out, and who and why left.

[Prorox]

Quote: wolk71

the more important the ministry and ministers to change how gloves do not fit.

That's just it, changing for every displeased shout from ministers, soon we will all become "ministers", in the 90s all were "millionaires" or who forgot their "fortunes" and what could be bought for it.

[Cadet787]

Dear Vladimir. The media talk so beautifully about the rearmament of our army, and this is such a minuscule, but they stubbornly keep silent that the available forces for the defense of the country with conventional weapons are provided by 12-15%. At the same time, neither operational art nor strategy can determine the method of their application, not on paper, as it is now, but in reality, given that there are not enough troops and forces to defend the Fatherland. And this happened from non-professional actions of the country's leadership. This is what the so-called "reforms" have led to, not to mention the morale of the Armed Forces. The so-called "reforms" must be stopped before it's too late, we stand on the edge and our opponents know this, who are trying with all their might to knock out nuclear weapons from us, and if this happens, then the edge.

[wolk71]

The fact is that no one has been involved in the army since the mid-80s, under Yeltsin they completely collapsed, and you want to restore 100% in a decade and a half. This does not happen, the recovery period is much longer than the collapse period. And it’s not about money; there’s not enough industrial capacity.

[gojesi]

Quote: 755962

In other words, the task must be completed by the one who started it, in this case Serdyukov.

In my opinion, Serdyukov's goal and task is not to "create" an army of a new type, but to REFORM the army, prepare a bridgehead, a foundation for creating such an army.
I am glad that 80% was replaced, that Golikova, Fursenko, the main policeman were removed ..., and the fact that the Westernized Jews were introduced as Dvorkovich, as well as Surkov ..., looking at the Knesset and the State Department ... It saddens and pushes to gloomy thoughts that having SUCH POSTS someday they will break through to the highest authority in the country ... And then Russia, like the USA will be controlled from the Knesset ... It's a pity! But wait ... we'll see, time will tell ...

[77bor1973]

the fact of the matter is that 1.5 million army is much easier to arm and reform than 5 million ...

[wolk71]

not just arm, but qualitatively arm, dress and feed.

[twin22]

Quote: 755962

In other words, the task must be completed by the one who started it, in this case Serdyukov. This is very important, because when we then look for the extreme (as they say, "the hero will be looking for either the people's reward or the hangman's noose"), we must firmly know - who carried out the reform from beginning to end, and who should be responsible for it ...

... That's right! Burn everything with a blue flame ... The main thing is to find the last one :-)))

[Gromodryn]

No need to lick the asses of those in power! The extreme will again be appointed from top to bottom, but now the army will be gone, and Russia too!

[S_mirnov]

strong leaders do not like to chew snot. Once I left Serdyuk, the collapse of the army is not over yet. Congratulations to the lovers of Putin and Abramovich on the victory of the Chelsea football players. All the same, the club was bought with Russian money stolen from the Russian people.

[St Petrov]

what did you do and what was stolen from you?

[Ascetic]

Quote: Tersky

Good afternoon, Eugene! Today approved, removed tomorrow ..... It can be seen all at once there is no reason to shoot .. We will see ...

I listened to the Vesti-FM radio station at my dacha the day before, so there was information that Putin gave Medvedev carte blanche to form a government, leaving behind him the antimonopoly committee, the Foreign Ministry and some other bloc I don’t remember. The functions of the Minister of Defense in the leadership of the Armed Forces will also be significantly curtailed. Even then I realized that Serdyukov would have to complete the government's housing promises, outsourcing, and so on.

[Cadet787]

Ascetic.
I don’t know, but I can hardly believe that this face will come off the ZIL and will not accept parades in the jacket.

[Karabin]

Quote: Tersky

.We will see ...

Not seen enough yet?

[Neighbor]

And to this Serdyukov - the nuclear suitcase is again in the hands of trust!
If someone does not know, they are 2 - 1 from the president - 2 - from the Minister of Defense.
Just in case - so to speak.
God forbid - it’ll boil over! Where then - to our president - without 2 suitcases !?
Just to see - he doesn’t solve anything there. Sits - so for the place. Yes, the paper signs. And the sense of 0. Everything for him is decided.
The same - Rogozin - he will bring more benefits - on the ground - so to speak. Without unnecessary burdens and obligations.
So let it sit - this dandruff ........!

[Cadet787]

Locomotive.
Already turned.

[Col.]

Quote: Steam Train

again the tree remained the Minister of Defense

And Mutko remained the Minister of Sports. Spheres where you can still warm your hands decently remained under the control of the old "specialists". I wonder what the half of the country's population who did not vote for Putin think about the new composition of ministers? There is not a single representative of opposition parties among the ministers. So the government spits on half of the country's population? Or am I missing something?

[Cadet787]

Colonel
Andrey, you haven't confused anything, just the masks have been thrown off, if "stooltkin" had been appointed before the presidential elections (well, let's imagine), would Putin have been president ??????????

[vezunchik]

everything goes according to plan.

[Ribwort]

Quote: Colonel

Among the ministers there is not a single representative of the opposition parties. So the government spits on half the country's population?

That's right. Without introducing a single representative of the opposition into the cabinet, the government spits on half the country's population. And leaving part of the old ministers in the cabinet (the rest were removed, but with a promotion - presidential advisers, for example), he spits on the other half of voters. In order not to forget that the redneck, whom the authorities consider us to be, is a place in the stall and it is advisable not to mumble.

[vezunchik]

this suggests that he is a good performer ... isn't it clear ??

[YARY]

Well, all the dots above the "i" are put down.
Now I think everyone should ask themselves the question of the right choice. And in future elections (if they will) not make the mistake that happened now.
The next president is to be an outsider. The one who is not interested in EBNs, the one who is not connected with the current government, who has no connection with the swamp-whores, the one who is closer in spirit and essence to the people.
Enough of illusions.

[military]

Quote: Ardent

The next president is to be an outsider. The one who is not interested in EBNs, the one who is not connected with the current government, who has no connection with the swamp-whores, the one who is closer in spirit and essence to the people.

next ... i.e. to the present, as I understand it, this does not apply ...?

[Tomato]

those. to the present, as I understand it, this does not apply ...?

Well, they’ve already chosen the current one

[military]

and it's not about ...
if

Quote: Ardent

The next president is to be an outsider. The one who is not important EBNami unconnected lousy with the current government, one who has no ligament with swamp slots, the one who is closer in spirit and substance to the people.,

if all these wishes apply to next to the president, it is logical to assume that all this is clearly lacking in the current, newly elected ... the question is - and who did we choose ...?

[vezunchik]

So Medvedev will be ... not for nothing that he is sent for an internship

[Joker]

For example, Andrew? This year there was no choice at all. Either Putin or the swamp leader.

[YARY]

So I think what kind of a macar is it that only one candidate is sane for all of Russia? What happened in the minds? We chose and put on our opinion with the device.
It is necessary to create a legal document "Commitments" which will be announced by the candidate. Non-performance-resignation! There is no faith in bare promises.

[military]

Quote: Ardent

It is necessary to create a legal document "Commitments" which will be announced by the candidate. Non-performance-resignation! There is no faith in bare promises.

well, after all, he didn’t promise anything concrete to anyone in terms of staff rotation ... and all these speculations loudly voiced in a number of topics that he wouldn’t let DAM get closer to the Moscow Ring Road to the Kremlin, merge Tolyan, etc. etc. - Well, it must be understood, not from a big mind ...
usual post-election euphoria, it will pass soon

[Prorox]

Quote: Ardent

So I think what kind of a macar is it that only one candidate is sane for all of Russia?

You are so "surprised" as if this were the first time in Russia.

Quote: Ardent

We chose and put on our opinion with the device

Maybe voice "our" opinion or just do it with your own.

[Cadet787]

Andrew! I fully support!

[vezunchik]

They presented it to us like that ... There is always a choice, but brains ...

[Yoshkin Kot]

um, did he manage to owe you?

[vezunchik]

everything in history repeats itself. carefully read the chronicle of 1916-1917

[Ribwort]

Quote: Ardent

Enough of illusions.

Russia is filled with fools, as shown by the past presidential election. So don’t hope. This is a crook for a long time ...

[nokki]

Uncle Vova, how shitty that you did not remove Serdyukov! ..

[VAF]

Quote: nokki

Uncle Vova, how shitty

+++++ !!!!!

But do you remember the famous monologue of Kramorov from the film "Gentlemen of Fortune" when they were looking for a meeting place ... at the monument .. and the taxi driver asked if the monument was standing or seated ????

So here is the same answer -....... so who will imprison him (remove), he is also a MONUMENT (RELATIVE), blei, almost RELODY !!!

[Patriot]

What uncle? What are you?
It is not good to respect the enemy of the Russian State so respectfully.

[755962]

Remained the Minister of Defense Valery Serdyukov

It seems that "our beloved" Serdyukov's name is Anatoly. Or I didn't understand something !?

[vezunchik]

What's the difference?? Will this change anything?

[ural70]

And who gave the President the right to call the enemy?

[Prorox]

Quote: nokki

Uncle Vova, how shitty that you did not remove Serdyukov! ..

Why did everyone decide that they would remove Serdyukov, a month or two ago, at a government meeting, Prime Minister Vladimir V. he made it clear with his assessment that he retained the post of minister. The Minister, especially the civilian, is the manager (I hate the name of the post) and that’s it, but it’s very important to appoint the Chief of the General Staff to solve military tasks.

[matex]

Looks like Perdukov "Honored Son-in-law" is not sinkable ...

[Ross]

We hoped so ...

[fidel]

Well, gentlemen, I congratulate you all on the wise and timely decision of the newly popularly elected Father of the Nation! Hooray comrades!
Mr. Serdyukov and, accordingly, Mr. Makarov - have proved in practice their professionalism and devotion to their homeland. Real PROFIs are in their place. The armed forces will continue to grow and renew with the same triumphal success as the last 3 years.
Now, any criticism addressed to them is completely unfounded and stupid by definition! All the alarmists and tantrums, according to Dmitry Anatolyevich, as in wartime - to the wall!
Everything is going in the right direction and in accordance with the directives of the Russian President Vladimir Vladimirovich, who was VOCALLY elected at the most fair elections in the world.
And Putin, as everyone knows, is NEVER mistaken in personnel decisions - as the recent elections proved.
Glory to Russia!

[give]

From now on, anyone who criticizes Serdyukov and Makarov will be ranked among the "orange" gays with Bolotnaya with the prospect of getting in the face with a riot police boot. I urge the Admins to immediately ban users who allow themselves criticism and stupid lies against the newly approved Minister of Defense.
Such provocateurs are clearly connected with the CIA and the State Department, and they are doing their dirty deed for 30 fanatical dollars in order to spoil the elected President of Russia.

[esaul]

Quote: dea

From now on, anyone who criticizes Serdyukov and Makarov will be ranked among the "orange" gays with Bolotnaya with the prospect of getting in the face with a riot police boot.

The statement is more than strange, as if praises of praise were sung by the site before. You, my dear, on the wave of the general gloating of the haters of Serdyukov have already started talking. Swimming a little ...

[yards]

If Mr. Serdyukov remained in the same place in the renewed government, he accordingly completed most of the tasks assigned to him initially. They are not surprised at anything: the taxpayers are told one thing, and the silence of the cabinets is done, sometimes quite another. It remains only to congratulate Serdyukov on the successful development of the position of Top Manager of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

[AleksUkr]

Remind me, a simple layman - our brains composted that Putin was called the leader of the nation, and now what - they raised him and he is already a father? Too much honor! I don’t want to have such a parent who has a people’s opinion. It’s in terms of appointing Serdyukov (though you need to rejoice - the army is not yet completely defeated), Mutko - a ruined sport (let's see what will be shown in London), Livanov, who can live without EGE even a minute cannot, Manturov, who destroyed together with Khristenko our industry, and even a number of new appointees. So is Putin the Leader of the Nation, or has he already become a Father?

[esaul]

[quote = AleksUkr]

With what enthusiasm to pronounce the words - "the defeat of the Army". "Destruction of Sports and Industry"! Did you smoke anything, dear? Every day you are presented with the facts of rearmament of the Army with the latest types of weapons, the creation of new enterprises, and you, as you are jammed by the word "fused with polymers," so you are already unable to jump from this.
And with what fright the words about the father of the nation were invented? Have you heard that somewhere? If not, then this is a joyful (the occasion has appeared once again to show his "foresight and foresight gift) chatter, no more.

[Ribwort]

Quote: AleksUkr

So is Putin the Leader of the Nation, or has he already become a Father?

In the phrase of Popandopola from "Wedding in Malinovka" - "Gadsky dad!"

[almost demobil]

This is not just sad, it is a shock. I'm in prostration

[Katran]

This is a worthy comment; neither facts nor logical conclusions, just an emotional statement about Serdyukov, army reform, idiocy, and so on and so forth, it’s very fashionable today to scold these things today, of course it is much easier to write a two-line comment, got the pluses and with a sense of accomplishment do their affairs, no need to delve into a heap of information, climb sites to analyze information, everything is easy and clear Serdyukov, Army reform idiocy ... beauty!

This is a worthy comment; neither facts nor logical conclusions, just an emotional statement about Serdyukov, army reform, idiocy, and so on and so forth, it’s very fashionable today to scold these things today, of course it is much easier to write a two-line comment, got the pluses and with a sense of accomplishment do their affairs, no need to delve into a heap of information, climb sites to analyze information, everything is easy and clear Serdyukov, Army reform idiocy ... beauty!

This is a worthy comment; neither facts nor logical conclusions, just an emotional statement about Serdyukov, army reform, idiocy, and so on and so forth, it’s very fashionable today to scold these things today, of course it is much easier to write a two-line comment, got the pluses and with a sense of accomplishment do their affairs, no need to delve into a heap of information, climb sites to analyze information, everything is easy and clear Serdyukov, Army reform idiocy ... beauty!

This is a worthy comment; neither facts nor logical conclusions, just an emotional statement about Serdyukov, army reform, idiocy, and so on and so forth, it’s very fashionable today to scold these things today, of course it is much easier to write a two-line comment, got the pluses and with a sense of accomplishment do their affairs, no need to delve into a heap of information, climb sites to analyze information, everything is easy and clear Serdyukov, Army reform idiocy ... beauty!

[Katran]

This is a worthy comment; neither facts nor logical conclusions, just an emotional statement about Serdyukov, army reform, idiocy, and so on and so forth, it’s very fashionable today to scold these things today, of course it is much easier to write a two-line comment, got the pluses and with a sense of accomplishment do their affairs, no need to delve into a heap of information, climb sites to analyze information, everything is easy and clear Serdyukov, Army reform idiocy ... beauty!

[esaul]

Katran,
Greetings, mate. I didn’t have the pleasure of reading the commentary that provoked your emotional commentary, but I think it is from the category of many that have sounded here today. I am glad that there were guys who did not succumb to the psychology of the crowd and decided to express their opinion here, which does not sound in unison with the main number of commentary slogans. I support your comment, I find it balanced, reasonable and competent. A plus.

[12Ural12]

This is not sad. This is grief. Why the FSB will not check - after all, the stool is clearly in the state or the CIA or the State Department.

[slav4ikus]

which state? ordinary doodle

[cool.cube2012]

Most likely, its owner is a member of the staff.

[wall]

Again the machinations of the State Department or the fifth column, I guess. Well, the brightest tandem could not arrange such muck Russia!

[slav4ikus]

it’s not sad- in any village there are holy fools

[Cadet787]

Dear forum users! I bring to your attention a fable dedicated to the best minister of all time.

Fable

In one forest where the crowns are ripening
Branches of innumerable numbers
Appointed Minister of Defense
Not the Wolf, not the Bear, but the Donkey ...

No, the evil demon did not confuse anyone.
And Tsar Lesnoy was not at all a foolish person.
In the Forest, the Two-Headed Eagle himself ruled
And he was once friendly with the Donkey.

When everything in the world is decided by connections,
That much is clear without words.
Do you think fate from mud to riches
Bring out and not such asses!

The news spread throughout the forest stronghold
From the southern thickets to the northern swamps,
What is now given to the power of Oslo
The mainstay of the State is the Army and Navy.

Toads whispered in every puddle
Savoring a caustic word in gossip,
Our donkey was also a civilian,
What for the military, like a spit in the face.
Donkey, suffering from megalomania,
I thought somehow, with a hangover to see,
What would not hurt a new guise
To give the long-suffering army.

Well, used as Minister for pro forma,
So no, Lord forgive me
Decided his donkey reforms
In entrusted structures hold.

And orders rushed across all the troops,
In which stupidity is every line ...
Believe me, there is no infectious leprosy,
What an initiative is just a fool!

Real Estate and Land Ministry
Sell ​​forest lads for half price!
As you see, such savagery
Sometimes they happen without war.

Troops cut to ridiculous sizes -
War is not expected yet!
And change not bad used officers
For managers in fashionable jackets.

Like Donkey, unstoppable hooves
And biting stubbornly bit,
Eating nutritious greens,
He did his donkey business.

The whole forest was buzzing, we shake in protest:
“And if the enemy! What will we do with it?
Throw donkey ears?
And shouting “Ia,” we’ll be overwhelmed? ”

Only Woodpeckers and Crows shouted,
Settled in the Forest Parliament,
What luck with the Minister of Defense
What did he not donkey, being a Donkey!

Some warriors, as usual, have been forgotten
To ask: “But how are the servants doing?”
But they did not just howl
From the antics of the zealous Donkey!

Choosing a profession from the unenviable
Serving for the good of a penny,
They are no longer waiting for a solid den,
For them, minks will be good.

But the Donkey has other interests,
Subordinates do not care for Oslo.
In addition, a trained press
Sings to him both glory and praise.

If it goes on like this, judge for yourself:
The “tops” want it, or they don’t want it,
Donkey will stay with donkeys,
Donkeys will not protect their homeland.

My morality will not be long.
God grant that war does not happen ...
But if suddenly !? That army donkey
Deadly enemy ... we will be funny!

[Patriot]

Oppa. You are watching what news.
I AM SHOCKED.!


"" V.Putin signed a decree on the composition of the new government
R. Nurgaliev, I. Sechin, T. Golikova and A. Fursenko left the government. ""

But I don’t understand. Why is our "beloved" Serdyukov not on this list?
Is it true that father-in-law V. Zubkov put in a word to the main destroyer - Putin, and this ghoul of Serdyukov will continue to destroy our army again?

This again confirms the worst fears that Putin's task is to deprive our country of the army!

[vladimir64ss]

Let's hope that they succeed.

[vezunchik]

if you suffer for a long time, something will turn out.

[Igor]

Everything, army khan.

[Armata]

Well, the army is not a khan, but the development of the army is definitely a tremendous brake.

[Igor]

The difference is small.

[Cadet787]

Locomotive.
What are you talking about Eugene, now in the army, to the purchased badminton rackets, they will buy thimbles and games, "monopoly". The army, represented by the new, old minister, will receive ...

[AleksUkr]

The army will probably remain the notorious "new look". Only what and what is capable? Whose tasks will it perform, and most importantly, HOW?

[Prorox]

Quote: Steam Train

Well, the army is not a khan, but the development of the army is definitely a tremendous brake

Dear, you probably once expressed such a categorical position by a soldier, could you give examples then. I am a civilian and can only judge by statements in the press.

[Prorox]

Quote: Igorek

Everything, army khan

What state army do you mean?

[ural70]

Apparently Kazakhstan?

[esaul]

Prorox,
Konstantin, I welcome you and support in your comments, pal.

[ural70]

What army is that?

[DavidLinch2012]

Lavrov !!!!!!!!!
Where to Nurgaliev?
Who is Livanov?

[KGB161rus]

Nurgaliev everything, aunt, maybe a place above was found for him. .

[AleksUkr]

Such as Nurgaliev and others like him are in Putin’s reserve. He will also need them. We look forward to the next moves.

[atos_kin]

It is a pity that there is no Ministry of Science and Technology.

[Dust]

Ha, ha, ha - broke off? Yeah, commenting on this is only obscene ...

[military]

Well, why immediately obscene ...
it is simple that both DAM and NPP clearly performed all the installations of the Great when he was a gray cardinal ...
I recall how not so long ago both Medvedev and Serdyukov were "buried" on this site together ...

[Onegin]

Explain the guys to me))) Anatoly Serdyukov and Valery Serdyukov are different people?

[Igor]

I heard that Valery Serdyukov is in my opinion the governor or someone else, then I thought if he was brother to Anatoly, but the article is incorrectly written.

[Onegin]

So I think that something is wrong here.

[military]

not a brother, namesake ... if memory serves - the governor of the Leningrad region ...

[ZUI]

Already not Guber - removed recently.

[slav4ikus]

Valery Serdyukov Governor of the Len region

[military]

people are different - Tolyan remained in the army ...

[Internet fighter]

Onegin
The article has a typo. Anatoly remained at the post.
The truth is that it pleases that Fursenko and Golikova and Nurgalivy gorge, and Medinsky came to the apparatus. I respect Medinsky and the opinion of him as a decent person, no matter who says it.

[vezunchik]

who it? Can I give you more details?

[slav4ikus]

they didn’t leave but rose, the president’s apparatus

[Col.]

Quote: Onegin

Are Anatoly Serdyukov and Valery Serdyukov different people?

The error came out, corrected.

[Onegin]

Thank you)))

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Onegin

Explain the guys to me))) Anatoly Serdyukov and Valery Serdyukov are different people?
Answer

Valery Serdyukov former Governor of the Leningrad Region

[fantast]

typo corrected

[vovan1949]

Well, erysipelas. The complete lack of intelligence and decency. Probably the same bandit as his brother.

[vezunchik]

good question! Now the CIA analysts are going to go crazy! This is the move!

[77bor1973]

this is son and dad !!!

[slav4ikus]

they are siblings

[pribolt]

Yes, something was wrong with Serdyukov

[Dr. OK]

Looked at the approval of the new government. Some have changed the composition. But I was hoping that we would have a new Minister of Defense, but Serdyukov unfortunately remains at his post. I'm sad((

[Grenader]

Which was required to prove. The people again believed in good Putin and bad ministers.

[military]

Quote: Grenader

The people again believed in good Putin and bad ministers.

hardly ... there are fewer sheep among the people ... just the authorities with donkey stubbornness do not want to realize this ...

[alexander hjcnjd]

Quote: military

here it is unlikely ... laughing rams among the people less and less

really hope you're right

[cool.cube2012]

The military situation with rams is also pleasing on this site. Soon, the main ram here will remain in the minority.

[AleksUkr]

You obviously forgot that the government’s rating over the past few years has always been practically below the baseboard, but against its background Putin looked darling. So we got what we got. It remains to be hoped that he will somehow lead us somewhere, but not into the pit.

[wall]

On this difference, Putin had his own rating. Bad boyars, the brightest king. Everything is as it should.

[nnnnnnnnn]

What was to be expected, I don’t understand the difference between the vice minister and the deputy prime minister, the vice minister is when the prime minister is, and the deputy chairman is when the prime minister, dear Russians, enlighten the prime minister or prime minister?
Without gloating, but I remember what hopes were that Serdyukov they will remove it, but the loot must be cut in the right way, and only Serdyukov will help in this, because how much money is allocated for this, the plagiarist Medina Minister of Culture? nonsense, now we are waiting in which regions Mr. R. Nurgaliev, I. Sechin, T. Golikova and A. Fursenko will be appointed governors or plenipotentiaries.

[Prorox]

Not the vice minister, but the vice prime minister is responsible for the direction in government (for example, Rogozin army and military-industrial complex), deputy chairman of the friendship (speaks for itself) deputy Medvedev, his position is Prime Minister of the Russian Federation (abbreviation prime minister).

[nnnnnnnnn]

Well from the article I understood Medvedev Prime Minister, and The First Deputy Prime Minister of Russia will remain Igor Shuvalov, Deputy Prime Minister Vladislav Surkov, Dmitry Rogozin, Arkady Dvorkovich, Olga Golodets, Dmitry Kozak. For the blunt West, there is one Prime Minister and one Deputy Prime Minister, and for Russians, one Prime Minister and his deputies, that is, deputy chairmen.

[Patriot]

PEOPLE NEXT 300 YEARS ALL GOAL - POP FOR Putin.

As the saying goes, there was, after all, the Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia for 300 years. And, since you love him so much and selflessly, then let it be Putin's yoke for 300 years. However, keep in mind that Putin is worse than the Tatars. Under Putin, Russia will not last 300 years. Yes, what taam is 300 years old, with the existing external geopolitical risks, many experts predict the dismemberment of the country within the next 5-10-15 years. By the way, some of the fault lines are already visible - the Caucasus, the Urals, Siberia, etc. Although, zombie adepts will say again: "What a garbage." But, anyone who is not a zombie, but a sane person understands that Putin's actions run counter to the interests of the Russian Federation. And that the mission of him and his team is exclusively destructive. Take a look at education, science, medicine, industry, agriculture, the military.
And for me personally it was very important to see the new composition of the government. And, he thought to himself, well, if he lived out so much and even shed tears, just like a girl, on election day, then maybe he was afraid of what and would pay attention to the discontented exclamations of the people and would actually take up the army. And, therefore, he will not allow the presence in his team of this chmyr-destroyer of our once legendary army. But, since the ghoul is back in his chair, then for me personally there is no longer any doubt that he no longer has the right to rule My Country. And, as they say, Gorbatov’s grave will be corrected after an impartial people's court.

[Yoshkin Kot]

you are a patriot, why? let me ask?

[cool.cube2012]

Listen, almost a fellow countryman. What are you protecting Serdyukov with Putin? What have they done good for the country? For example, I see that Putin is destroying the army with the hands of a stool. Well, recently there was a topic about the destroyed military academies. Because these God-chosen ones destroyed everything.

[Cadet787]

And, what, excuse you?

[ural70]

Brother, he is a patriot Ksyusha Sobchak.

[ural70]

It seems that you are a zombie adept, I do not consider myself as such, although I do not agree with the appointment of Perdyukov.

[Diman]

Well! First YaRS, Topol, so the mood was raised. And from this news the mood fell to the very bottom! Why so cruel?

[VAF]

Quote: Diman

First YaRS, Topol, so the mood was raised.

Still believe in fairy tales ??? Well, well ?!

[vorobey]

Serdyukov changed his name? Thought they don’t know? I recall a joke when a man comes to the registry office and writes a statement.
- I want to change my name.
- Let's get a passportist to see him.
And in the passport in black and white it says VLAD SHIT. such a passportist is shocked, says yes, it’s probably difficult for you. And how do you want to sign up. well man and answers
- I want to be VITALIK.

[slav4ikus]

it would be better if he changed sex and brains

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Well, some have been replaced, and what will the development vector change? because for this we must admit that the past direction was unsuccessful. everything will remain stable as before
Khloponin, Surkov, Dvorkovich, Shuvalov - just change places, it seems to me only Lavrov corresponds

[cool.cube2012]

Tatanka Yotanka Are there Russians among these figures in general?

[dmb]

It is quite expected. Once again confirmed. that dear Vladimir Vladimirovich does not care deeply about the people and the army. which in relation to Smerdyukov are absolutely united.

[Cadet787]

I support, probably kickbacks were in honor.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

20 trillions are not cut yet, your man remains

[Gocha kurashvili]

Eshkin cat !!! Well here (((!! An irreplaceable fly !!! That's how they shit in the soul, so shit ...
Papa Carlo was left to us by the pinocchio ... Well, what shall we do? I propose to create a theme on the site and separately and there is foul language !!!! Call her Serdyuki !!!

[Yoshkin Kot]

not Serdyuki Yoshkina mother!

[AleksUkr]

Previously, it was necessary to think - before the election of a popular guarantor. And now it remains to spit. But there is no need to get killed. It is necessary to work in such a way that no hearts and other scum in Russia could destroy it.

[Prorox]

Quote: AleksUkr

Previously, you had to think - before the election of a popular guarantor

Name the name, the mantra "Not Putin" has already got it.

[MKALEKSEY]

BROTHER - DO NOT FIGURE

[Patriot]

here only one thing is not clear to me. What else can his supporters hope for after this?

[Prophet Alyosha]

And with us it’s always like that — first we admit the enemy to Moscow, then dousing ourselves with blood and realizing what they want to do with us — we destroy the enemies at the cost of millions of lives! So it will be now ...

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

........ The boy on the fingers explained that his name is Julio! ,,,,,
How many hopes were there for Rogozin, or at least one of the professional military .......
Believe V.V. somehow I don’t want that he really wants changes and real reforms in the RF Armed Forces ......
Sorry, sorry ............................................... ........................
......................................

[vorobey]

And it seems to me that someone will have to answer for the reform, and even for the state defense order. And under Rogozin this one on its hind legs will ride. I am more concerned about the second poets - like the chief of the General Staff.

[Armata]

If Seryuchka remained, then this is exactly the figs will be removed. They are like a couple of twix and like milky way they don’t drown.

[AleksUkr]

Did he extend the term? did not hear!

[Victor]

Quote: vorobey

And it seems to me that someone will have to answer for the reform, and even for the state defense order. And under Rogozin this one on its hind legs will ride. I am more concerned about the second poets - like the chief of the General Staff.

I agree with you completely. No matter how unpleasant it is to see this disgusting face (Serdyukov), but someone really needs to clean their own. Shit-clean. Especially since min. defense functions of the formation of the state order are very much cut off. This will be done by the new structure under the control of Rogozin. Min Defense will mainly order R&D by type and type of weapon. Therefore, it is too early to harass Putin. Time will tell who has planned what. We see too little from our home stool.

[military]

Quote: vorobey

near Rogozin and this one on its hind legs will ride.

Yes, fuck him on such a "rider" ...

[vorobey]

A horseman is not a horseman, I don’t know, and I recently visited one of the BTRZs - puffs seven days a week. men in Ah, but they say it’s better. Yes, and new equipment for the FTP acquire.

[cool.cube2012]

If you look inside Putin, then there we will see Serdyukov.

[military]

I doubt that there we will see anything at all ...

[VAF]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

at least one of the professional military .....

Soon the extreme will be "reformed", and the new ones will be taught by the same reformers, that's just ...... what and how ......., about where I'm not talking !!!

And about the empty head and hand, so this is OUR ARMY SAY, and THEM ... BREEDERS ... everything is girlfriend and you have to imitate your owners ???

[VAF]

The photo did not "stick", I will try again. But somehow it turned out inadvertently!

If it does not work out again, then in the photo Obama salutes, just like Taburetkin

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Obama and the Americans have it in the order of things is a stool from him takes an example

[Vito]

FREGATENKAPITANLet me hit your mug! By the imperious decision of V.V. PUTIN, appointed "NEW" Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. Hurray, comrades! Maybe there is no one else to rely on?

[TekhnarMAF]

Well damn it! The mood is wonderful - the victory of the hockey squad, the birth of the Pacific Fleet and suddenly a big spoon of tar-TABURETKIN remained in the chair!

[Owl]

Are you surprised? Voting for the GDP, the population of the country supported the previous course, he does not want to pull Russia out of the current "rut", having legalized "privatization", he showed that his "friendship" with thieves and robbers is only growing stronger (perhaps he is tied himself). The GDP has promised a lot, the funds may not be enough, they will withdraw the army against the People - after that, everything is blamed on Serdyukov, his knee in the ass, and the GDP is clean again. They removed Ivashov from the elections - they removed a real competitor to the GDP, without competition, the elections were programmed for the victory of the GDP, protest voting - they voted for Zyuganov, for Prokhorov, etc.

[AleksUkr]

He was the leader and chairman of the party without a party ticket. By the way, the party that proclaimed CONSERVATISM in Russia's development. What do you still not understand?

[Prophet Alyosha]

The oligarch Vladimir-to the dump! Ivashov is our President !!!

[img] http://im3-tub-ru.yandex.net/i?id=306191803-58-72 [/ img]

[Cadet787]

I did not think that the authorities represented by the president, with stubborn perseverance, would not care about the opinions of experts and the whole people. The Supreme, decided to ruin his army to the end. I don’t know how anyone, personally, my credit for the trust of this government has ended. After these appointments, the number of people on the Swamp will increase. They bury themselves. Only the heads of the shops remained in stock, which means the situation is very bad.

[DavidLinch2012]

It's really bad - this is when only "the sons of watchmakers from Odessa and Kiev" will remain

[Col.]

Quote: Cadet787

I didn’t think that the authorities represented by the president, with stubborn perseverance, would not care about the opinion of experts and the whole people

And what were you thinking, cadet, when for all 12 years the authorities did nothing but spit on specialists and the people, forming a ruling gang based on the principles of loyalty to the GDP personally, the state of family relations with him or joint "work" in St. Petersburg, as well as friends and just "their people". Only the lazy or zombie does not know about this.

[Cadet787]

Andrew! Hope died last. But I don’t think that new ones will come better and who will come? Well, you select the expressions politely and do not impose what you believe in yourself.

[vovan1949]

Yes, not 12 years, but more. Consider humpbacked and EBN it all started. Remember how the army was craped around, everything Soviet. What can be expected from the scumbags who shot from the tanks the legally elected parliament in October 1993?

[Karabin]

Quote: Cadet787

I have run out of confidence in this government.

And what are you rushing about with this Bolotnaya, a handful of marginals like Nemtsov and Kasparov have fulfilled their task of attracting additional votes for Putin and are resting over the hill.

[escobar]

Well, here's to you .. I told you that Serdyukov suits your top management, and you are all hogs ... hogs ..

[Vadivak]

Valera Yesaul, remember how we almost had a fight on this subject? I do not gloat, I just long ago ......

[Patriot]

Quote: Vadivak

Valera Yesaul, remember how we almost had a fight on this subject? I do not gloat, I just long ago ...

Shaw, you still stuck to him. Your Valera Yesaul is an adherent of Putin. I still think that he was pleased with the news about the preservation of Serdyukov. He’s a zombie. Here's one thing. Interesting. What are they zombifying them with? Psychotechnology, or nevertheless edrosovsky MONEY voters.

[Internet fighter]

Well, in vain you are so biased about Valera. He thinks quite rationally. And he is not an adherent (he has no vision), but a very competent analyst makes quite reasonable conclusions.
And here you are Patriot just about Putin and about Putin. All one line in all your posts is visible. Well it’s good that you don’t even change your nickname.

[Hleb]

And he is not an adept (adherents have no vision)

so judging by the comments, the vision sometimes disappears ...
for example, a VO participant writes:

I want to note that Putin, Serdyukov and Medvedev took the parade while standing, and not as in previous times sitting as a bar in front of the serfs

Valery answers:

Last year’s Medvedev’s rush in Serdyukov’s company was so provocative that an avalanche of disrespectful responses to this was powerful!

where did Putin get out of context? amnesia? blindness?

[Internet fighter]

Hleb

where did Putin get out of context? amnesia? blindness?

So after all, the victory parade is hosted by the president and defense minister. Last year, Medvedev took.
I remember this dialogue and these posts. I do not see any bias in them. Just a statement of fact. Parades should be taken while standing, in tribute to the veterans.
It is one thing to state on the fact of the actions of the current government, and quite another, to shout "fucking the copolymers" without confirmation by any facts.
Personally, I voted for Putin and I expect from him, first of all, overlapping offshore companies - which he actually promised. By such actions, an understanding of the situation is built.
I rather have a negative attitude towards Serdyukov, but even here I don’t see the pitfalls (and they most likely are) that hold him in power. Putin’s decision is not clear to me.
In general, time will put everything in its place. I think the picture will be understandable for 2 years. In any case, the defense industry is reborn, and the army is gaining experience. The number of exercises is constantly increasing, which is good news.
And yes, I’m not an adherent of Putin, if that. But he is the president of our country, which the majority has chosen and we must respect him.
And Valery’s position, as I see it, is precisely patriotic. As well as the concept of the site itself, which was laid down by the creators.

[ural70]

Totally agree with you!

[Victor]

Quote: Patriot

Shaw, you still stuck to him. Your Valera Yesaul is an adherent of Putin.

[b]Patriot What are they zombifying them with? Psychotechnology, or nevertheless in a Edrosovskiy MONEY of voters. [/ B]

Something you tell me, my friend PAPANDOPOLU from the Wedding in Robin, reminiscent of his fake patriotism. Before judging another, ask yourself — who are you and what have you done for this country? And for a direct and deliberate insult to your opponent, you will receive a warning. Nobody gave anyone the right to insult human dignity.

[vorobey]

Quote: Victor

Before judging another, ask yourself — who are you and what have you done for this country?

There you go, Victor. I also asked one in the next branch about an alternative, a specific name so that I would name it as Alternative to the Most Holy as they say. I did not receive an answer. But the water in the mortar is crushed by the master. I told you, you were warned. The deputy politicians in the Soviet army behaved this way.

[vovan1949]

Yes, if only a person has this advantage.

[dimitriy]

What time! And dear Esaul, do you also write out warnings? Only the idiot does not see that with poetic, grandiloquent and enthusiastic words, with which Esaul is so expertly expressed, she, this idiot is sent to x ... Let's be fair to all. Or you, like in the Kremlin, who has more stars, is obviously right.

[Victor]

Quote: dimitriy

Let us be fair to all. Or you, like in the Kremlin, who has more stars, is obviously right.

The attitude towards everyone is the same, without a difference in ranks and ranks. It’s just that everyone’s understanding of rudeness and outright rudeness turns out to be different, but it’s a pity, I would like the insult not to hide behind Ura-patriotism or vice versa behind false liberalism or a guy like a shirt. As for my stars, go to my profile and see what year and month I registered on the site. During this time, even a very lazy little worker can grow. So that’s not the topic.

[dimitriy]

I did not write about your stars, but about the Stars of Esaul. I apologize if I did not understand it clearly. So, that’s the topic) I’m interested in the site, I often read comments. But I get the impression that the site has recently become the meeting place of Esaul and Co. And those who disagree with their opinion are simply strangled.

[Victor]

Quote: dimitriy

the site becomes the meeting place of Esaul and Co. And those who disagree with their opinion are simply strangled.

dimitriy That honest word you are wrong. It’s just that some people have been communicating on the site for a very long time and it’s quite natural that a series of conversations takes place in a two-way mode. Esaul is a completely normal and adequate person with his own view of what is happening. Moreover, he never chokes anyone and does not impose his opinion, just communicates. Someone needs hysteria and constant accusations, someone just communicates and expresses their vision of the world. Something like this. Sincerely, Victor.

[dimitriy]

Victor, by no means am I going to argue with you! Purely my personal observation. Maybe I'm exaggerating, but you must admit, a certain amount of arrogance is present in his comments.
PS I do not minus))

[cool.cube2012]

Patriot. such people have built into this criminal system and will defend it to the last. The hope is that many lost souls here will finally understand who Putin is. It would be interesting to read esaula's comment on this topic. And you Patriot ++++++

[Patriot]

Quote: cool.cube2012

cool.cube2012
Patriot. such people have built into this criminal system and will defend it to the last. The hope is that many lost souls here will finally understand who Putin is. It would be interesting to read esaula's comment on this topic. And you Patriot ++++++

Thanks for the support. I am on this site most often in the overwhelming minority. They criticize me ... I don’t care. I am simply expressing my opinion that goes against the Kremlin line. And about esaul ... It seems to me that he has come up with something to clean the image and face of his idol, which is plentifully flooded with slop.
That's just to me like him. Honestly sorry!

[ural70]

If you call yourself a Patriot, you should know that surnames in Russian are capitalized regardless of respect.

[Internet fighter]

Michael, thanks for the support, it is gratifying to hear!
I totally agree about grammar. Recently, comrades have proliferated who do not really read what they themselves write. They are in a hurry, apparently, to write where more they need, but to hook someone. "The Chukchi is not a reader - the Chukchi is a writer!"
Yours!

[esaul]

Quote: Patriot

Shaw, you still stuck to him. Your Valera Yesaul is an adherent of Putin.

Yesterday I came home late, looked at the branch, saw the expected picture and wanted not to "interrupt," but here is your comment, Comrade Patriot, prompted.
Entertained by your rollicking in eloquence, which is akin to the co-speech of a white-tape seam. All this shushera does not know badly the pain points in the minds and moods of most people and, at the slightest opportunity, puts pressure on them with all his might, pumping out the maximum benefits for himself. On you - a white-ribboned pack, hiding behind words about the welfare of people, but pursuing its purely shallow interests - do not care. It's a shame for colleagues who, after they pressed on these painful points, began to cover everyone in a row, reminding offended children who had not bought ice cream.
About adepts ... I am an adherent of the line on strengthening the country and its independence from Western opinion and preventing the Western aligarchy from interfering in our Russian affairs with my patterns. And this is what Putin seeks, and he achieves it competently and consistently. Therefore, I support him in many of his actions. And the fact that some of his decisions are contrary to the desires of individual groups is natural! We live in a human society, where there are so many people and opinions, where many believe that his personal opinion is the ultimate truth. And if, as for the specific case with the appointment of Serdyukov, then there were reasons.
It amuses me how the opposition made a coup for several years, appointing Serdyukov an enemy of the country and this card began to be actively played and, suddenly - here you go! - Putin made such a successful mistake for the opposition - he left Serdyukov in his post! This is where you can "sleep off" in the name of Putin in full! How much joy the pro-Western riffraff has! There is no time to think that perhaps this is a deliberate move and not to the detriment of the country's defense capability, but in order not to disrupt positive processes, NOT acting on the Bolshevik principle - "To the ground, and then! ..."
As for my mention in the caustic context of your commentary, Patriot, you don’t know anything else, as soon as you blame a neighbor or a neighbor for your mistakes and failures in the likeness of a farm woman.
I am grateful to the Internet to the fighter and Victor that they did not ignore the farm attack in my direction and correctly explained to you what is my position. But I’m afraid that you don’t feed the horse, don’t feed you bread, let me just speak foully at someone else’s address. Such is your nature and this is not treated.

[Col.]

Quote: Vadivak

Valera Yesaul, remember how we almost had a fight on this subject?

Valera Yesaul seems like a clever man, but it seems to me that he too praises everything Putin's ...

[esaul]

Quote: Colonel

Valera Yesaul seems like a clever man, but it seems to me that he too praises everything Putin's ...

Andrey, I welcome you. You are wrong in your reverence towards me, if only because last year, in one of my comments, I said that I support Putin that everything he did and did was aimed at strengthening Russia and an equal figure on our horizon today is not observed. And this, by no means, is not groundless exaggerated praise.
And you are guided by grievances, to a greater extent, of a personal nature, and, taking advantage of the editor’s capabilities, you often frequent submission of material, introducing in the headings (as in this case), or texts, and not being shy about publishing materials of an openly destabilizing nature, personal attitude and contributing a grain of contention. Such behavior, by no means, does not color and I before this through the forum spoke to you about this. And the fact that this article under such an accented heading is yours, you yourself indicated in this thread.
All the best.

[Col.]

Quote: esaul

And the fact that this article under such an accented heading is yours, you yourself indicated in this thread.

This article is not mine at all, where did you get it? I just corrected a gross error in the title, which immediately "cut in the eyes". And you can see my publications in my profile ...

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: Vadivak

Valera Yesaul, remember how we almost had a fight on this subject? I do not gloat, I just long ago

And where, by the way, is he so eager to hear analytics and future plans for GDP.

[cool.cube2012]

nnnnnnnn there are a lot of it on the neighboring branches, but here, apparently, there is nothing to say.

[esaul]

nnnnnnnnn,
cool.cube2012,


I am glad to greet you! I am a little thing! I’m generally surprised that you can at least write something, otherwise I thought that only cons could be molded in silence. Congratulations, there is progress.

[cool.cube2012]

esaul read your next arrogant answer, this time to Patriot, and came to the conclusion that you voluntarily or involuntarily copy the worst features of your patron Putin: rudeness, revenge, resentment, intolerance to criticism. And I do not congratulate you, because unlike you don’t see progress from others. And to make you even more surprised at all, I welcome you with this photo.

[cool.cube2012]

and here is your idol.

[cool.cube2012]

Putin without a mask.

[mar.tira]

Greetings, Vadim! Sorry I could not resist thinking, and comment. about this not-so-good news. To be honest, I expected this from the president. Look at Serdyukov. Who is he, how did he get to this post? Why are things going this way, and not otherwise? Everything is simple ....! He is not an independent figure. Moreover, he is very far from the concept of strategy and tactics of building an army and its modernization. He doesn’t need this. He is just a screw fulfilling the will of the president. So far, in any case, we have not suffered a single military defeat from anyone. And modernization seems to be going well, though with stretch marks and theft not seen before the village, and stupidity like imported furniture on ships. But it’s not he who cuts and closes by himself. For this, there are analysts of the General Staff. through Putin and Medvedev. And horses are known to they don’t change the crossing. Time will put everything in its place .. It's a pity if everything is in vain!

[Tomato]

Valera Yesaul, remember how we almost had a fight on this subject?

And where is Esaul?

[esaul]

Quote: Tomat

And where is Esaul?

Here, Tomato. And what is so clever I can hear from you?

[Juga]

Hmm, the news does not inspire optimism, small rearrangements, faces are almost the same ...
But here is a small little incomprehensible, if this is not a typo of journalists, Lavrov reassigned, and the "furniture maker" is simply stayed:

Sergei Lavrov reassigned as Russian Foreign Minister
Valery Serdyukov remains Minister of Defense

if you haven’t reassigned, then you can hope?

[Patriot]

Quote: Eagle Owl

Owl
Are you surprised? Voting for the GDP, the population of the country supported the previous course, he does not want to pull Russia out of the current "rut", having legalized "privatization", he showed that his "friendship" with thieves and robbers is only growing stronger (perhaps he is tied himself). The GDP has promised a lot, the funds may not be enough, they will withdraw the army against the People - after that, everything is blamed on Serdyukov, his knee in the ass, and the GDP is clean again. They removed Ivashov from the elections - they removed a real competitor to the GDP, without competition, the elections were programmed for the victory of the GDP, protest voting - they voted for Zyuganov, for Prokhorov, etc.

BRAVO. DEAR BRAVO! Thank you for the correct conclusion and thank you for being that there are people like you!
Just want to add this. Namely, the gdp (and by the way, stop writing his name with a capital NEDOSTIN) promised a lot, and once again the Russians will have to pay for all this, because, after the introduction of the additional tax burden, the oligarchic bandit group will do its best to transfer all costs to the Russians. These bloodsuckers will never give up their share and will not allow its reduction in the interests of the treasury !!
THAT'S ALL ! EVERYTHING IS ELEMENTARY! And don’t worry, they won’t have to wait long. For, he himself - the GDP of his friends, and of the whole of Russia hinted that after July 1, 2012, anything can be done.
Until now it’s not clear to anyone! For all the promises this ghoul made before the election, the Russians will pay you out of your pocket!


But Ivashov is sorry. Good person, it seems to me. But as they say, do not worry. HIS TIME WILL COME SOON. And, with each such next anti-popular decision, the GDP is accelerating its end. WELL GIVE GOD

[Yoshkin Kot]

n-dya, you my friend are sick

[Patriot]

NOT MUCH MORE, DADY!

[703-s]

to the very point!
and the silence of Putin's adherents is proof of this.
none of the adequate people believed in Putin's tales.
and today he confirmed that he did not care about the opinion of the people.

[Samsebenaum]

Well, dear forum users? How much time and nerves have we spent discussing the body under the name Serdyukov? And what punishments did he come up with? Many people can’t stand it? A lot of....
Did the government hear us? What did she show us? I will say: middle finger!

And what's that? This is how and where to fasten?

Putin’s decision to appoint Igor Kholmanskikh, the head of the Uralvagonzavod workshop, as the plenipotentiary in the Ural Federal District, is not a PR campaign, this is an absolutely balanced decision. We remember how a weaver from Ivanovo Lapshin became a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, urging the United Russia party to come up with something "so that Putin would remain the president of Russia after 2008."

Thus, the nomination of Kholmanskikh to the post of plenipotentiary once again confirms that Putin’s personnel policy is not based on the selection of professionals, but on the basis of the selection of people personally loyal to him. If a person is loyal to me, then he has the right to occupy a high position, and what professional qualities he has there is question number 10. That is, the personnel policy is chaotic, unpredictable in time ...

It is clear that such a personnel policy is not suitable for modern society. Not even in all tsarist regimes this was. It’s even difficult to comment on something, it’s just nonsense.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Samsebenum

Putin’s decision to appoint Igor Kholmanskikh, the head of the Uralvagonzavod workshop, as the plenipotentiary in the Ural Federal District, is not a PR campaign, this is an absolutely balanced decision.

Salute Valery
I think his position does not oblige him to anything, it’s called the plenipotentiary that the president will say that and will represent, they threw the people in, they say a man from workers in a high position, rejoice, but the dough is still the same

[Samsebenaum]

Stas, hello, very happy, buddy !!!
I’ll supplement it a little. There is also talk of abolishing the institution of plenipotentiaries, although the GDP considers this a premature step.
And I want to bring these arguments:
Political scientist, political strategist, director of the Institute for Political Expertise Evgeni Minchenko believes that the institution of authorized representation has really exhausted itself to a large extent. Nevertheless, the envoys themselves still have a very serious lever of influence on the regional elites - this is the opportunity to convey information to the top officials of the state.

According to the political scientist, the plenipotentiaries will play an important role in the elections of the heads of regions, although their significance will be determined more by personal characteristics. “The elections of governors have been returned, which means someone should prepare them: monitor the situation, conduct preliminary consultations with parties, candidates, business groups. However, the degree of significance of the participation of the plenipotentiary in this process will be determined by his personality, ”says Yevgeny Minchenko.

“If the plenipotentiary decided to ruin the life of some governor, then, as a rule, he succeeds. Water sharpens a stone not by force, but by the frequency of its fall ”, he argues.

In this regard, Minchenko recalls the former Presidential Plenipotentiary Envoy to the Northwestern Federal District Ilya Klebanov, "who has changed almost all the governors at home." Also now the representative of the North Caucasus Federal District, Aleksandr Khloponin, who is also very active in replacing the heads of regions in his district, is quite influential.

[AleksUkr]

And what, are there still doubters?

[Nechai]

Quote: military

there are fewer sheep among the people ... just the authorities with donkey stubbornness do not want to realize this

They have no time to open history textbooks (of course not current ones) and see how this ends for the ruling elite. Walking on a rake, this is their traditional fun. There will be no consolidating change in the vector of social development FROM THE TOP, which means it will happen FROM THE BOTTOM. The sense of self-preservation was completely reflected. The activation of liberdemers is also indicative. These are definitely preparing to jump on the oncoming wave. Repeat the "catastrophe end reform" focus. This is sad. All obscuring greed is apparently ineradicable.

[Col.]

Quote: Nechai

The sense of self-preservation was completely wiped out.

In multi-billion dollar states, this feeling is replaced by a sense of permissiveness and irresponsibility.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Nechai

All overwhelming greed is apparently indestructible.

I agree. Greed is an immoderate desire for possession or consumption. That says it all. Only the greedy, they are stupid, do not think that you will not take anything with you, and their heirs are all the pros ... and they will forget and it pleases. And the good ones are remembered and stopped at their graves.

[cool.cube2012]

Vadivak You are probably the only adequate marshal here. What it means is still not lost. ++++

[alps]

I just don’t understand from what point do you start by saying that the army is Khan and all that, from what date? I’m asking what this is, but the fact that during the reign of Putin-Medvedev and Minister Serdyukov the army didn’t get any worse, equipment goes into the troops, ships are being built, money allowance has been added, apartments are being given, what’s wrong? No, it’s clear that not everything is good, but is there any minister or president under whom everything is always good? I have already asked five times on this site, and I have to ask again, under what Minister of Defense and during what period in the Armed Forces the situation was better?

[Follow us]

I also do not understand - the stormy applause in the reports on the rearmament of the army and the bawling of the Minister of Defense. As if not the Minister of Defense is engaged in the rearmament of the army. Oh, let the gentlemen, the okhaiivalschiki will either put on their underpants or take off the crosses.

[zevs379]

Quote: alps

under what Minister of Defense and during what period in the Armed Forces was the situation better?

Incorrect formulation of the question.

1 minister should be respected. (Serdyukov military respected?)
2- the minister must be a military man (take part in hot spots)
3-For the defense of Russia, the minister must have experience in leading the division (minimum)

Analyze and choose from 10 normal battle generals!

I need a shaman

[Follow us]

It seems to me that your requirements are more suitable for the Chief of General Staff.

[ural70]

Let's hope his time comes!

[alps]

You see, the above items (except the first) are good for war (roughly speaking), and the Minister of Defense is also obliged to feed people, so why don’t you make cook demands on him, and he must also provide housing, so he must also be a builder, maybe, nevertheless, to be a good leader for him, so personally I consider him not the worst option, if only because he hears a lot of criticism, but still, silently, he does his job. And Grachev was well suited for your points, I think the comments are superfluous.

[Hleb]

after reading the comments in this thread, to be honest, I’m surprised that you weren’t overwhelmed with arguments proving the failure of the reform, weakening the defense capability and incompetence of the leadership ...

[Lech e-mine]

alps- THEN explain to me the meaning in the disbandment of combat-ready units (for example - BERDSKY SPECIALIZATION), well, I just can’t understand this.

[Prorox]

Polikov from the brigade made infantry without equipment, there cannot be 13 battalions in the special forces unit on a meager base for three (brigade 2 battalions + separate battalion).

[Prorox]

Now I watched on TV the local news talked about the return of the Berdsky brigade to the deployment point and about the preserved base for training intelligence officers.
Here is the news, so the news.

[ural70]

What a news!

[alps]

Oh, I read it after writing my previous comment.

[alps]

In such cases, I usually ask how much the country needs and how much it was, and if, after the disbandment, the number of special forces remains sufficient, then I don’t see any problems. Here the site discussed the absurdity of closing flight schools, their graduates were especially outraged, but when it turned out that there were 60 (!) Excuse me, but why so much? And yet, someone here on the site said that the fate of the Spiznaz soldiers is not so deplorable, but I certainly don’t know forgive me.

[Cadet787]

Dear Eugene! The media talk so beautifully about the rearmament of our army, and this is such a minuscule, but they stubbornly keep silent that the available forces for the defense of the country with conventional weapons are provided by 12-15%. At the same time, neither operational art nor strategy can determine the method of their application, not on paper, as now, but in reality, given that there are not enough troops and forces to defend the Fatherland. And this happened from non-professional actions of the country's leadership. This is what the so-called "reforms" have led to, not to mention the morale of the Armed Forces.

[703-s]

I agree cadet787!
trumpet that took 3 poplars.
and not a word about the fact that 5 previous carriers were written off.
But can the GRU collapse be forgiven to these traitors?

[Nechai]

Quote: military

there are fewer sheep among the people ... just the authorities with donkey stubbornness do not want to realize this

They have no time to open history textbooks (of course not current ones) and see how this ends for the ruling elite. Walking on a rake, this is their traditional fun. There will be no consolidating change in the vector of social development FROM THE TOP, which means it will happen FROM THE BOTTOM. The sense of self-preservation was completely reflected. The activation of liberdemers is also indicative. These are definitely preparing to jump on the oncoming wave. Repeat the "catastrophe end reform" focus. This is sad. All obscuring greed is apparently ineradicable.

[Patriot]

Quote: Samsebenum

Samsebenaum

By the way, my friend. Us swami actively minus edrosovsky trolls. It's funny They are probably heartily glad to leave Serdyukov, for the sake of destroying the remnants of our homeland.

Let the adherents go minus their Putin.

[Yoshkin Kot]

Did you call a doctor?

[ural70]

A cat, a doctor is no longer needed there, everything is neglected there, as well as "pregnant girls" with eggs.

[cool.cube2012]

What kind of garbage I press + and instead of +1 it turns out -1

[Tomato]

What kind of garbage I press + and instead of +1 it turns out -1

Before putting "+" or "-", move the cursor to the number and look at the statistics of those who voted.

[AK-74-1]

I watched the news. It is expected that Surkov, Khloponin and Shuvalov remained. I wonder who will be NachSH MO RF. Now all the cards are in Rogozin’s hands.

[Patriot]

Quote: AK-74-1

AK-74-1 Today, 15:52
I watched the news. It is expected that Surkov, Khloponin and Shuvalov remained. I wonder who will be NachSH MO RF. Now all the cards are in Rogozin’s hands.

Yes. Familiar gang. And where is the main thief-chubais?

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: AK-74-1

Now all the cards are in Rogozin’s hands.

Dmitry Medvedev Prime Minister And Rogozin is the Deputy Prime Minister the populist worked on the crowd and created the image of a fighter, and he certainly has cards, but the deck is speckled and now it is clear who has the aces on his hands.

[Alexei]

Well, Volodya ... You upset us all with your furniture maker, I tried to find an excuse, I pressed hard, looking for meaning, but you still didn’t find it. Stupid, very stupid to scatter the army electorate.

[Patriot]

Quote: Alexej

Well, Volodya ... You upset us all with your furniture maker, I tried to find an excuse, I pressed hard, looking for meaning, but you still didn’t find it. Stupid, very stupid to scatter the army electorate.

Respected. I regret that you are one of those whom he initially deceived - before the election, and then also betrayed - in particular today.
And, in general, still I do not understand how you could believe him? I have been saying for a long time: "By their deeds, you will recognize them." Comprehensive subversive activities aimed at the collapse of the country.

[Alexei]

Yes, I see you on this page in shock. You know, dear, that there is one exact expression: "Help a hundred times - they will forget, refuse at least once - they will remember it forever ..." I really want this statement not to apply to me, and I wish the same to others.

[Nechai]

Quote: AK-74-1

Now all the cards are in Rogozin’s hands.

And he is Razin, is it the player who deals the cards ?! Yes, and the whole deck is completely speckled .... And at the table rolled on a katala sits and chases with a sawmill.

[Lech e-mine]

I do not understand the motives of VOLODY PUTIN regarding Mr. SERDYUKOV as whom he uses it? (Like MAVR did its job - MAVRA can be drowned in the toilet?)

[damba]

I sincerely support the people of the Alps, because he is the only sane person here, and all sorts of Owls and Patriots are complete ignoramuses and murmurs you will always do something you don’t like even tomorrow bring up 10000 Armata tanks and 30 ash trees and 100 frigates and destroyers plus 10 aircraft carriers and 1000 Pak f say that so little damn do not reach
Serdyukov-gad, I don’t argue that I hung him on the Kremlin tower. But my dears, there’s no one else in the analogue. Rogozin will come later and at the same time he didn’t sit at the post of deputy head of the military-industrial complex for a year and you’ll immediately argue the defense minister the work is good, but you can’t rush it either.
I repeat there are no new ones, but the candidate has not shown himself yet, and to represent ministers and deputies is more expensive for himself. because you forgot that if you start repressing us under the Soviets of the 38-39 period, then not only embezzlers will fly, but also good people, and I repeat that it’s dangerous to do it. GDP is not Stalin and Stalin’s methods are simply not real right now. The media will eat us up.
So it is necessary to wait 2012-2014 Rogozin will show himself and the Minister of Defense will be. And right now let it be better booby but booby controlled than not understanding yes scum selling

[Vadim555]

Quote: damba

if we start repressing us under the Soviets of the period 38-39, then not only embezzlers will fly, but also good people, and I repeat that it’s dangerous to do it. GDP is not Stalin and Stalin’s methods are simply not real right now; the media will eat us up.

The overwhelming majority of the innocent suffered just before 1938, when the Jews "ruled" in the NKVD. With the arrival of Beria in the NKVD at the end of 1938, the repressions came to naught.
The national composition of the personnel of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD of the USSR in 1917 - 1938
http://mrk-kprf-spb.narod.ru/bespal.htm#2.2

Quote: damba

Right now, the Stalinist methods are simply not real. The media will eat us.

So they still eat and will eat (so that they choke). In the process of becoming Russia, they should be paid less attention to. Let them bark. It’s not necessary to carry out repression, but to purge the crooks.
The main thing is that the government (GDP) should understand this.
Progress will begin on this issue, the people will support it.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Vadim555

The national composition of the personnel of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD of the USSR in 1917 - 1938
http://mrk-kprf-spb.narod.ru/bespal.htm#2.2

thanks for the link, eyes on the forehead, the same selection of frames among the current oligarchs

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: damba

I repeat there are no new ones, but the candidate has not shown himself yet, and to represent ministers and deputies is more expensive for himself. because you forgot that if you start repressing us under the Soviets of the 38-39 period, then not only embezzlers will fly, but also good people, and I repeat that it’s dangerous to do it. GDP is not Stalin and Stalin’s methods are simply not real right now. The media will eat us up.
So it is necessary to wait 2012-2014 Rogozin will show himself and the Minister of Defense will be. And right now let it be better booby but booby controlled than not understanding yes scum selling

[Starksa]

what nafik base? transshipment point, more than one NATO warrior doesn’t set foot there, and if we tie them on ourselves this is just another lever of pressure, because if something is wrong then it will be awful for them to get out of there. about the reform, it’s not so bad as it seems, Serduchka can’t leave now for one simple reason, let the porridge be brewed (bring the matter to the end), otherwise it’s easy to break everything and who will build it? the reform will pass and the standards will be the Minister of Defense, though I still don’t see any worthy ones (I can’t compare it with Seryuchka) because he is absolutely not a military man.

[nnnnnnnnn]

Quote: StarkSA

what nafik base? transshipment point

Do not call her, but she is under the control of NATO.

Quote: StarkSA

and if we tie them on ourselves then this is just another leverage

On whom?

Quote: StarkSA

Serduchka can’t leave now for one simple reason, let the porridge be brewed (he takes the matter to the end), otherwise it’s easy to break everything and who will build it?

Anatoly First REFORMER reform is carried out by the state with the help of the General Staff, not the Minister of Defense

Quote: StarkSA

the reform will pass and the standards will be the Minister of Defense, though I still don’t see any worthy ones (I can’t compare it with Seryuchka) because he is absolutely not a military man.

And there will be another reform

[Starksa]

Well, judging by this, then everything in your head is lost. operated by Russia, a transshipment point, not NATO

[Starksa]

all who put a minus, argue your decision or express your opinion is just interesting

[nnnnnnnnn]

Why did Serdyukov stay?

President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Colonel General Leonid Ivashov:

"SP": - You were surprised that Serdyukov will remain as Minister of Defense ??

- Surprised, even very. Putin probably knows in what condition Serdyukov led the Armed Forces. He knows that neither the army nor the veteran public perceives this minister.

“SP: - And yet the president decided to continue to work with Serdyukov. Why?

“I suppose there is some kind of compromise.” Either with the Americans, or with the Medvedev team.

“SP”: - Do you think Medvedev has a team with which Putin has to compromise against his own will?

- There is one. Something they bargained for, probably.

"SP": - Well, how long does the military drag the cross in the face of Serdyukov?

- Hard to say. It is impossible to predict.

[Internet fighter]

nnnnnnnnn

"SP": - You were surprised that Serdyukov will remain as Minister of Defense ??

- Surprised, even very. Putin probably knows in what condition Serdyukov led the Armed Forces. He knows that neither the army nor the veteran public perceives this minister.

Of course, Putin knows about the negative attitude of the people towards this minister. He took them all off and left him. I believe in spite of the people.
And the comments of Leonid Ivashov did not lead to a topic at all. His populism is built precisely on distrust of the Ministry of Defense and the government in society, with all due respect to him.

[Victor]

Quote: Internet fighter

And the comments of Leonid Ivashov did not lead to a topic at all. His populism is built precisely on distrust of the Ministry of Defense and the government in society, with all due respect to him.

Internet fighter I personally communicated with Ivashov when he came to us in Ivanovo. A good uncle, smart, but unfortunately just a theorist and populist, nothing serious is capable of. Even from the creation of the party at that time did not dare.

[ural70]

Look for NATO bases at your place!
Full race!

[viktor_ui]

And the second photo is right like this from under Ulyanovsk ??? If so, then why in the background the Fuhrer’s face does not loom ???

[Cadet787]

Dam.
Did you yourself understand what you wrote?

[Tomato]

So you have to wait 2012-2014

Well this is how much money during this time they will be stolen!

[Starksa]

and what will happen? dragged everywhere, but the biggest cuts in the us army

[Starksa]

what are you minus there was a recent article here about this. They steal everywhere and not only in our country

[Internet fighter]

Alexander, a young man, but you do not chase the pluses, this is empty.
Write more informative posts and they will understand you! Ask questions more correctly ...

all who put a minus, argue your decision or express your opinion is just interesting

Opinion on the account of a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk? So he is not there yet. So far, only an empty dialogue for 2 months with a penny months.
The media is trumpeting this. Clear business that stuffing. The topic is topical. Well, there is only one opinion in our country on this subject ... Let me only chew on the bones.
The other is embarrassing. What and where are you taking them ?! About non-lethal cargo we omit.
In Pakistan, the situation with the shooting of local residents, the stump is clear - a provocation. My opinion. So Pakistanis have closed USS transit support.
Americans seem to be scattering equipment over Asia. As if for free. Well, and we, in turn, are interested in ensuring that our border guards in Tajikistan and on other borders of neighboring states do not excessively strain on drug trafficking. Although it’s already going rampart.
The question is, what and where will they be taken, taking into account the fact that under the agreement and so on, air can fly 12 and a half every day through our space under the agreement? AND? Yes, no answer yet ...

PS: The appearance of NATO symbols in Russia, I personally regard as a spit in the soul.

[Patriot]

Quote: Victor

Quote: PatriotShaw, you still stuck to it. Your Valera Yesaul is an adherent of Putin. [b] Patriot What are they doing there with zombies? Psychotechnology, or nevertheless edrosovsky MONEY voters. Something you tell me, my friend PAPANDOPOLU from the Wedding in Robin, reminiscent of his fake patriotism. Before judging another, ask yourself — who are you and what have you done for this country? And for a direct and deliberate insult to your opponent, you will receive a warning. Nobody gave anyone the right to insult human dignity.

I DIDN'T SEE HERE INSURANCE. GIDE VIVO YOU SAW? Explain !!! But here’s how the edrosov’s adherents swear in almost plain text, and then they’ll also send different threats and insults to the PM, can they do that?
SHOW YOU SO SUCH FOR THIS ???

[darkman70]

Nevertheless, there are positive aspects.
Finally, Fursenko was thrown out, whose activity was probably even more dangerous for the state ... For example, such a pearl.

“Speaking at a conference held as part of the All-Russian Youth Forum“ Seliger-2007 ”organized by the Our movement, the Minister of Education Andrei Fursenko complained about the rest from Soviet times inert system in your department, stubbornly trying to cook human creator. Now, according to the minister, the main thing is to nurture a consumer who can correctly use the achievements and technologies developed by others»

This is what they are preparing for the Russian people .... As they say, Hitler with his OST plan is just resting. And such people are in the Russian government. Unimaginable.
Medinsky’s appointment also inspires some hope ...
And Serdyukov is likely to be removed before the next election. Or maybe earlier.

[Juga]

In order to supply completely new, but qualified people, you must be able to get them somewhere ...
Here in the topic I found a "presentation", who is not afraid of verbosity, read it, it is written well and not far from reality:

In a huge office, several people were sitting at the round table. The silence reigned oppressed. Putin was the first to break it:
-It's all? Is that all you can offer me, Slav? -Vladimir Vladimirovich got up. -It’s just incredible for everyone, you see, from the time of Boris, who conducted the orchestra and danced, biting into. Again on TV, familiar fuckers mutter: “Life has become better, life has become more fun. Putin is our president, only with him my career blossomed, the children stopped injecting, selling things from home and entered the Gnesinsky school, and the father-in-law finally handed over the bottles and bought Maybach. ”
Putin sat in a chair and began to swing nervously:
- Gathered the Russian corporation of nanotechnologies, the Kurchatov Institute, all political technologists, speechwriters, the Skolkovo Innovation Center, RAS, and staged a brainstorming session. The output is what? And we have this .- Putin pressed the remote control, some rapper sang on the huge plasma panel:
-Even if the sky falls to earth,
Friendly say adversity, go to ...
Let the pique vests riot in the kitchen
Still, we vote for Putin.
“Whose creator?” “Putin punched the table and roared,“ who came up with banners in rhinestones to hang “Putin and I along the way”, “If you want a good future, vote for Putin” and “Don't let yourself be confused, vote for Putin”? Our rating is similar to impotent, but you still pulled fag in pre-election? Where are milkmaids, plumbers, where are combine harvesters, tractor drivers and people from plows? Why socialites with Botox and hipsters tell from the screen how they felt good?
-Vladimir Vladimirovich, we have a lot of options, one of the program clips is this: a wheat field, a full-bosom girl carries a jug of milk and fresh bread to her lover. He drinks, milk flows along the chin, the girl braids her braid and smiles. In the background with kids running kids. A little distance away, the old man standing says: “Well then, how ... like under Stalin.” Everyone embraces, kisses, dances and cries. - The bald, eyed-eyed old man fell silent and looked inquiringly at Putin.
-Glory, who is this?
-Vova, this is our new political strategist- Aaron Ivanovich Shvartsevruber. He has a ton of ideas.
-I see. If before that we had a rating lower than the baseboard, then after his videos we will be beaten with rebar or shot in the basement as Nikolai with his family.
-You see, Vadimir Vladimirovich, the old role models with agitators from the media are hopelessly outdated. You yourself saw how Sobchak booed at a rally. The people do not identify with the TV screen, there is a different life: villas on the ruble, Bugatti, champagne Crystal, Vasya Yakimenko eating oysters in Mario. Pensioners from Syktyvkar and librarians with a salary of five thousand do not like it much. ”The old man looked down and fell silent.
-We need such decisions so that the opposition gets upset, and the mood of the population sharply becomes positive. You just don’t need to offer vodka for free at schools and factories, ride a Lada, shoot whales, kiss boys on the stomach, put out fires with Kozhugetovich, pet calves, I'm waiting for the constructive. An hour later we have a debate on ORT with other candidates, I do not like my speech.

“Here is your only solution.” Aaron Ivanovich took out a syringe with a greenish liquid. “This is truth serum.” Do not interrupt. I’ll explain the meaning of the plan. Over the years of the country's rule, your image has become completely cardboard. You say verified, edited phrases, you are extremely collected and look more like a gold medalist than a warrior ruler who violates prohibitions and goes forward. But the opposition plays on the lowest instincts, it wakes up animal impulses and starts the crowd with cries of bulk: “What have you become like fucking rams? Power is you! ” These are naked, vivid emotions, a stormy stream, sweeping logic in its path, taking away people's consciousness into the distance. You have too long exploited the image of an ideal commander in chief who wets enemies in the outhouse. You do not have weaknesses, vices, you do not smoke, do not rest in Courchevel with prostitutes, do not swear and do not dance drunk. Your pulp world is boring and fresh, the layman has long understood that behind this facade is a different picture. You must show it. They will be delighted with such a program.
-Glory, show the crazy grandfather where the exit is ...

- Is it really not obvious to you the utopianism of all debugged election campaigns? Do something illogical, act unpredictably, stun opponents with the truth, this is the best program. Berezovsky first seized the moment and began to write letters to the patriarch, and what resonance. Look how this thing works. ”The old man injected liquid into his thigh, fell to the floor, grimaced, twitched, and green foam came out of his mouth.
-Thank you, that's exactly how I wanted to hold the pre-election debate today: to end from an overdose.
Suddenly the old man blew himself up from the floor, springy jumped up to Putin and, drilling him with sparkling eyes, asked:
-Not tired of the fucking big top with tongue-tied asshole, hackneyed fat-free texts, empty-headed zombie helpers, worthless, mediocre advisers like me? For just one clip with a wheat field, I cut off from your amount of money comparable to the budget of New Zealand, and the exhaust from this fucking will be zero. Neither joy nor emotion, continuous political mummified, photographed like an ass of Jeanne Friske on an advertising spread. Everyone is akhuenno successful and cool-headed, never make mistakes, do not drink with grief, do not cry, do not curse themselves for wrong decisions. You got people with the same boring bullshit, go like Fritz through the village with Kandovy chants. Someone will take a rusty arkibuzu and break your head in anger. -Aaron Ivanovich backed away, clasped his mouth in his hands and looked bewildered around.
“Fucking your own jokes ... If you have your tarragon, grandfather.” Putin turned back to Schwarzebruger.
-Vova ...- Surkov bulged his eyes.
-I'm fifty-odd years old- Vova. I like this thing, it won’t be worse. Much worse after the Swamp and Manege.
The case was done, and after twenty minutes a motorcade with flashing lights rushed to the presidential debate.

[Aventurinka]

Well. Min arr. science - sort of in its place. I read some of his articles. Liked. Let's see in action.
By min. Roshal said everything to his senses: "Doctors are happy to appoint a" sane person and a good professional ", This is how the famous doctor and critic of the previous leadership of the Ministry of Health Leonid Roshal described the future minister, Veronika Skvortsova, in his microblog." Congratulations! Finally! " children's surgeon. " This makes me happy.
Trutnev was also replaced. True, a new min of nature in his circles is a neutral figure. Neither bad nor good (c). We will see.
Already good.
Mine culture is also not the worst option.
According to Serdyukov ... IMHO, he was left to finish the reform. But already under close supervision, guidance and a filter in the person of Rogozin. We will see. So much news about the army of positives. Maybe it makes sense. We just don’t see him.
You can, of course, shout ... GDP spit on everyone, etc. But I won’t do it yet, because the pros are drawn so far, rather than the minuses in the appointments.

[vorobey]

Julia, soberly and carefully.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

Quote: Aventurinka

Let's see in action.

Quote: Aventurinka

Neither bad nor good (c). We will see.

Quote: Aventurinka

also not the worst option.

Quote: Aventurinka

We'll see.

Quote: Aventurinka

Maybe it makes sense.

Quote: Aventurinka

But not yet

How the men quarreled here
Politics is how the world is old
Your position is neutral-feminine
Looks cunning

[Aventurinka]

And the meaning of swearing? I personally do not know these people and have not worked with them. So I can rely only on the comments of their colleagues. Yes, and they are not always adequate.
Of course, Serdyukov upset, but there is no point in shouting and crying either. No one knows what the president thought when he left him at that post. We don’t even know what they were talking about with both Medvedev and Putin during the very consultations.

[Juga]

In order to supply completely new, but qualified people, you must be able to get them somewhere ...
Here in the topic I found a "presentation", who is not afraid of verbosity, read it, it is written well and not far from reality:
http://www.litprom.ru/thread44955.html

[saruman]

Quote: Juha

In order to supply completely new, but qualified people, you must be able to get them somewhere ...

You just need to be able to get them. Putin does not know how and does not want to. In the Stalinist USSR, staff shortages were much worse, but they knew how to find the right and qualified people. (And they knew to do what to do with unnecessary ).

[Patriot]

Quote: damba

damba Today, 16:11
I sincerely support the people of the Alps, because he is the only sane person here, and all sorts of Owls and Patriots are complete ignoramuses and murmurs you will always do something you don’t like even tomorrow bring up 10000 Armata tanks and 30 ash trees and 100 frigates and destroyers plus 10 aircraft carriers and 1000 Pak f say that we don’t reach so much damn Serdyukov-gad I don’t argue that I hung him on the Kremlin tower. But my dears, there’s no one else in the analogue. Rogozin will come later and at all times he didn’t sit at the post of deputy head of the military-industrial complex again and you Minister of Defense I do not argue that he is doing his job well, but he can’t hurry. I’ll repeat there are no new ones and the candidate has not shown himself yet and to represen ministers and deputies is more expensive for himself. because you forgot that if you start repressing us under the Soviets of the 38-39 period, then not only embezzlers will fly but also good people, and I repeat that it’s dangerous to do it GDP is not Stalin and Stalin’s methods are simply not real right now, the media will eat us. So we have to wait 2012 -2014 Rogozin will show himself and the Minister of Defense will be. And right now, let’s better a booby boob but a booby who does not understand and sells scum

SO NOT GOOD AND YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR OPPONENTS. And SHOW YOU WILL TELL WHY WHY OUR COUNTRY NEEDS OLUH AT THE HEAD OF A VERY IMPORTANT DEFENSE MINISTRY. AT LEAST EVEN AND MONITORED? Isn’t there a much more worthy candidate in all of Russia? No. Worthy mass. That's just better than Serdyukov, at the moment, no one knows how to destroy. And who said that he is not scum selling

Quote: VadivakValera Yesaul, do you remember how we almost had a fight on this subject?

Quote: Internet fighter

Internet fighter
Well, in vain you are so biased about Valera. He thinks quite rationally. And he is not an adherent (he has no vision), but a very competent analyst makes quite reasonable conclusions. But you Patriot is just about Putin and about Putin. All one line in all your posts is visible. Well it’s good that you don’t even change your nickname.

Adept - he is an adept. And, there is nothing offensive. Google the meaning of this word. Ah, I’m not going to change my nickname. But it’s time to send Putin to his masters abroad!

Quote: Colonel

Col.
Quote: VadivakValera Yesaul, do you remember how we almost had a fight on this topic? Valera Yesaul seems like a smart person, but it seems to me that he too praises all Putin's ...

Well. That's what I told you. Praises all Putin's !!!

[damba]

Forgive me Patriot for my not flattering statements, I am always rude and can cut from the shoulder, but you yourself must understand that right now, not a large-scale reform is needed like "perestroika 2", but a small reform of the analogue of the five-year plan, and only then on this basis, new more powerful actions. As for Serdyuk, then yes, he is still that type, but his reassignment may mean that the GDP does not see these candidates and prepares its own (you know him) or we do not have decent personnel of the required level, you know that after the 90s we have a lot of thieves and idlers and 10 sloths for one Lavrov.
YES and that we worry so much about reforms — for the present Reforms are just beginning to fall somewhere, where it’s not normal, the main thing is not to drown in the middle and in the beginning it’s always difficult

[Patriot]

Thank you for your respect. But, I fundamentally disagree. Since not only perestroika has taken place over the past 20 years, it is SCALE DESTRUCTION OF EVERYTHING AND EVERYTHING! OPEN EYES! PEOPLE!

Quote: damba

about its reassignment, this may mean that the GDP does not see these condates and is preparing its own (you know it) or we do not have decent personnel of the right level - you yourself know that after the 90s we have a lot of thieves and loafers and there are 10 sloths for Lavrov alone.

You still continue to believe in a good king-priest and evil boyars! REMOVE PINK GLASSES! THIS IS OUR DESTROYER WITH YOU RUSSIA!

[Starksa]

the information is completely untrue, large-scale destruction occurred in the brains of people (I'm not talking about the country's leadership)

[runway]

Honestly, I’m not surprised by the new appointments to the government.
And since Putin had long suggested such a move, he was not going to comment. But Samsebenaume touched on the appointment of candidates for senior posts. I want to develop this topic.
They say correctly that the first impression is usually true.
Not knowing the Kholmanskikhs, he did not want to offend the man and said about him that when he offered his help in dispersing the demonstrators in Moscow, he did not act like an adult, i.e. "licked ugly."
But Putin tried the process in more detail after a joint flight on a government airliner. Having experienced unearthly pleasure, Putin appoints the Kholmanskys as his authorized representative in the Ural Federal District ....
No need to be surprised. In this environment it is so accepted. Give people you like cars, apartments, positions ....
From the program "Our Russia" the country learned about Dulin from Chelyabinsk .... Thanks to Putin's hobby (already visible with the naked eye), the country learned about the Kholmanskie .....
I feel sorry for these people.

[Patriot]

Quote: Victor

Victor

Quote: PatriotShaw, you still stuck to it. Your Valera Yesaul is an adherent of Putin. [b] Patriot What are they doing there with zombies? Psychotechnology, or nevertheless edrosovsky MONEY voters. Something you tell me, my friend PAPANDOPOLU from the Wedding in Robin, reminiscent of his fake patriotism. Before judging another, ask yourself — who are you and what have you done for this country? And for a direct and deliberate insult to your opponent, you will receive a warning. Nobody gave anyone the right to insult human dignity.

Unfortunately, to my great regret, at the moment I can do nothing to help my country except by voting against Putin and his thieves' gang, so that they stop plundering and destroying Russia. But, if you need to take real steps for the good of the Motherland, I believe that I will not think for a long time!

[Victor]

Quote: Patriot

Unfortunately, to my great regret, at the moment I can do nothing to help my country except by voting against Putin and his thieves' gang, so that they stop plundering and destroying Russia. But, if you need to take real steps for the good of the Motherland, I believe that I will not think for a long time!

It turns out you can not play the trick and not make yourself a Buba of Odessa. If you start to continue to speak normally, in Russian, then it will be possible to conduct discussions with you.

[Tomato]

Anatoly Serdyukov Remains Minister of Defense

Big minus Putin

[saruman]

The coolest comment. The rest is just nagging and gloating!
Putin had to be minus in the elections!

[Karabin]

Quote: Tomat

Big minus Putin

Now, from the minuses, Putin is neither cold nor hot. Pluses in the elections were pressured.

[Patriot]

Quote: darkman70

darkman70
There are still positive aspects. Finally, Fursenko was thrown out, whose activity was probably even more dangerous for the state ... For example, such a pearl. "Speaking at a conference held as part of the All-Russian youth forum Seliger- 2007 “, Minister of Education Andrei Fursenko lamented the inert system in his department for the rest of the Soviet era, stubbornly trying to prepare a human creator. Now, according to the minister, the main thing is to nurture a consumer who can correctly use the achievements and technologies developed by others. ”This is what they are preparing for the Russian people .... As they say, Hitler with his OST plan is just resting. And such people are in the Russian government. Unimaginable.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME MORE IMPOSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE SUCH PEOPLE IN THE HEAD OF OUR COUNTRY, AS PUTIN, who holds the posts responsible for the fate of the Russian Federation, these destroyers of the Country. I say it again. According to their deeds, recognize them

[kostiknet]

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Poor Russia !! Again this hoopoe was put to "steer" the army Well, here’s what M..DAK came up with that M.O. must be headed by a STATE person (curious, but he knows where the entrance to the General Staff Academy is? And what are people doing there Has he learned how to distinguish a PC from a hemp over time?)

[Patriot]

Quote: Gleb

Hleb
after reading the comments in this thread, to be honest, I’m surprised that you weren’t overwhelmed with arguments proving the failure of the reform, weakening the defense capability and incompetence of the leadership ...

Comrade And I understand the readers. For, as it seems to me, they all already understood that the presence of Serdyukov in the new government clearly indicates the failure of the reform,
weakening of the defense and incompetence of the leadership .. THE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE WORDS!

[svs]

Tell me, what did Shoigu screw up with? Honestly I can not understand. In fact, there should be a rotation, but in my opinion it’s a different decrease, besides the Ministry of Emergencies is a matter of a lifetime, and then to the governors ...

[Starksa]

Shoigu well done, devoted his whole life to his profession

[Patriot]

Quote: svs

svs
Tell me, what did Shoigu screw up with? Honestly I can not understand. In fact, there should be a rotation, but in my opinion it’s a different decrease, besides the Ministry of Emergencies is a matter of a lifetime, and then to the governors ...

SO HE WAS APPOINTED GOVERNOR OF THE MOSCOW REGION!

[vezunchik]

so if he puts things in order there, he will become prime minister

[vovan1949]

How did Shoigu prove himself?

[ANTURAG]

Quote: damba

Serdyukov, the bastard, I don’t argue that he hung him on the Kremlin tower. But my dears, there is no one else in the analogue

It’s a shame that we couldn’t find anyone better than the bastard for this position.

[damba]

No, dear Patriot, I believe in a rigid vertical of power that will pursue a policy of carrots and sticks
And you know, I see that this structure is emerging, GDP is building a foundation, no one is saying that he will create the first economy in the world by 1, like some people to the south, but he will build a system that will be developed.
I would also advise you to believe and not piss at every turn.

[vezunchik]

So we always believe, from time immemorial...

[saruman]

You can also believe in electricity... Or you can just study and know physics.
How much more time does GDP need to build the “foundation”? How long will it take to build the walls? Could you tell? Only VVP and his henchmen know how to raise “roofs”.

“I would also advise you to believe and not to piss off at every turn.”

Damba, believe less and learn better, the Russian language, for example.

[gojesi]

Quote: saruman

You can also believe in electricity... Or you can just study and know physics.

Tell me Saruman, don’t think it’s too much trouble, what is electricity? I don’t know, and it seems to me that no one in the world knows, maybe you really know In the sense - “you have studied and know physics”

[saruman]

Quote: gojesi

Tell me Saruman, don’t think it’s too much trouble, what is electricity? I don’t know, and it seems to me that no one in the world knows, maybe you really know wink In the sense of “have studied and know physics” wink

I have no doubt that in two or three generations we will be praying to the electrical gods and performing ritual acts at power plants.
Everything was crushed. Great American engineers and scientists created the Space Shuttle, and their descendants recently admitted that they do not understand how this Shuttle even flies!
Russia is sliding, along with other “civilized” countries, into the abyss of ignorance and barbarism.

[vovan1949]

I know, fellow countryman, this southern talker. I don’t even remember all his import substitution programs, clusters, village years, 2030, SME development, 100 schools and hospitals, etc., which, by the way, were not implemented. I’ll keep quiet about the fight against corruption, you know it yourself.

[Patriot]

[quote=damba]damba
No, dear Patriot, I believe in a rigid vertical of power that will pursue a policy of carrots and sticks. And you know, I see that this structure is emerging. GDP is building the foundation, no one says that he will create the first economy in the world by 1, like some people to the south, but he will build a system that will be developed .I would also advise you to believe and not to piss off at every turn[quote]

Don't be fooled! Nothing good is coming now. Only the trend of collapse and degradation of the country and the corruption of the nation continues! AGAIN—BY THEIR WORKS YOU WILL KNOW THEM.
THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE - BELIEVE! And, I BELIEVE! I believe that the gdp will not last even half of the first term before it is thrown off by some force. WHAT EXACT POWER THIS WILL BE, I DONT KNOW YET! BUT, he will throw it off. I BELIEVE IN IT! FOR, THE YOKE OF HIM AND HIS GANG CAN NO LONGER BE TOLERATED!


Quote: damba Serdyukov is a bastard, I don’t argue that he hung him on the Kremlin tower. But my dears, there is no one else in the analogue [quote]


DO YOU REALLY THINK SO? WHAT IS THERE NOBODY BETTER THAN THIS UNCAPABLE DESTROYER IN OUR COUNTRY?
HOW CAN YOU THINK SO BAD ABOUT RUSSIA AND ITS PEOPLE? WHY DO YOU HUMILIATE MY COUNTRY SO MUCH?

Quote: Vadim555

Vadim555
Quote: damba, if we start repressing us under the Soviets of the period of 38-39, they will sign us, then not only embezzlers will fly, but also good people, and I repeat, it is dangerous to do this. GDP is not Stalin and Stalin’s methods right now are simply not realistic, the media will eat us. The vast majority of innocents suffered precisely until 1938, when the Jews “ruled” the NKVD. With the arrival of Beria in the NKVD at the end of 1938, the repressions came to naught. The national composition of the personnel of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD of the USSR in 1917 - 1938 http://mrk-kprf-spb. narod.ru/bespal.htm#2.2

OOO, MY DATE.. What an interesting topic you touched on. An unprepared interlocutor still needs to try to look at Putin’s entourage. And especially ON THE GLAZED OLIGARCHS IN WHOSE INTERESTS HE WORKS! ALMOST ALL THEY ARE JEWS

[Samsebenaum]

Guys, calm down! Take a break from your computer, go get a beer, drink a couple of cold glasses. They have already started typing the text in bold.
Let me remind you that you need to save your nerves, they are not issued in the warehouse...
Guys, it’s not for nothing that they say that politics is a dirty business. Well, by definition, there are no clean people there... Fighting in the mud, no chance.
Here’s another frequently asked question: where to get others. Others, meaning better than the current ones...
Guys, they exist, just not among politicians. We're looking in the wrong place...
Surely, each of us can name at least one person who commands respect either as a professional or with human, masculine qualities... And imagine how many such people there are throughout the country...
That’s what confuses me, fear lives in the Kremlin... Don’t argue, it does. One fact of selecting a loyal environment says everything at once (unless, of course, you are wearing welding glasses).
I already see all the signs of delusion (distortion and denial of reality). Those in power live in their own world, far from reality (the State Statistics Service figures, for example, which the reports rely on are clearly fake).
And I don’t even see the beginning of the promised “radical and positive” changes, and Serdyukov, who retained his post, is an example of this.
Don't worry about the pros and cons. It depends on the intelligence of the appraiser. When there is something for it, it’s one thing, when for the fact that you are GDP or Zyuganov or... don’t appreciate it, it’s another.

[703-s]

And the Jews came up with the phrase “POLITICS IS A DIRTY BUSINESS.”
so that no one else gets in there except them.
and they quietly ruled the countries.

[dmb]

I absolutely agree with you. Analyze the rituals of Putin's lovers. They're ridiculously simple. Understanding perfectly well that neither Nemtsov, nor Navalny, nor Sobchak evokes anything other than obscenity in normal people, in their speeches they combine this shabby with all those. who does not agree with the current policy. At the same time, they naturally deliberately “forget” that the above and the current government are essentially one and the same. It’s just that at this stage these have become the leaders, and they get the best piece, and those listed above also want to grab pieces. As for Smerdyukov, in my opinion his unsinkability is easily explained. The army, despite its defeat, still remains a real force, and it is not known how it will behave in that case. when, after the expected “delights” such as rising energy prices and the introduction of a property tax based on market value, it is not the writer Akunin, the poet Bykov and the “socialite” Sobchak who will take to the streets. and the people. At the same time, people will come out not only to Bolotnaya. but also to numerous other squares of our cities, and at the head of the army there will be not a furniture maker with a footman of the National General Staff, but a military general, whom the army will follow. Many may not have time to reach the ramp to Sheremetyevo.

[Prorox]

The trolls went wild on the “patriotic” slogans of the local “patriots”.

[with]

Am I missing something or have the scrambler hamsters taken over the site?)))

[Patriot]

WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT, COMRADES, Propox and met?

[with]

Quote: Patriot

WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT, COMRADES, Propox and met?

The Tambov wolf is your comrade, homa!!))

[Prorox]

That's for sure, go to Yandex, there are enough of your like-minded people there.

[Cadet787]

Guys, excuse me, but who is Serdyukov? Isn't this Verka Serduchka's brother?

[with]

Quote: Cadet787

Guys, excuse me, but who is Serdyukov? Isn't this Verka Serduchka's brother?

You hamsters can be seen immediately by their blue color or post!!!)))

[with]

Patriot (5) RU Today, 17:54
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WHAT ARE YOU ABOUT, COMRADES, Propox and met?

The Tambov wolf is your comrade, homa!!!)))

[taseka]

Like, you people and the Army did not understand the full depth of the transformations!!! You people and the Army are still stupid!!!

[Prorox]

Fence "creativity", yes...

[13017]

Damn, the whole army is against it, but he can’t help but drown

[Imperialist]

It’s good that Putin did not succumb to populism and did not remove Serdyukov.

After all, apart from the screams, there is nothing specific to blame him for.

Comparing the Russian army before and after the reform is pointless, it was a paper tiger and nothing more. And the newspaper men, scribblers,

Journalists and all sorts of idiots like Ivashov, Sivkov can bark and the caravan moves on.

And time has already judged and will judge even further who is who.

In 6 years, the Russian army will be rearmed and fully equipped.

[Tomato]

It’s good that Putin did not succumb to populism and did not remove Serdyukov.

It would be better to succumb to pragmatism and patriotism and remove Serdyukov.

Journalists and all sorts of idiots like Ivashov, Sivkov can bark and the caravan moves on.

Where does it go?

And time has already judged and will judge even further who is who.

But this is for sure, time will judge.

In 6 years, the Russian army will be rearmed and fully equipped.

Rather in spite of, rather than thanks to.

[twin22]

Nothing to blame, you say?

What's going on in the Air Force? There is no one to fly there anymore...
A detailed report on the destruction of the Yu.A. Air Force Academy. Gagarin --> http://gazeta-pravda.ru/content/view/9594/34/

This is what, if not betrayal: --> http://svpressa.ru/society/article/55062/

He is simply selling the country. Why should pin_do_sam fight with us when we have such a minister of defense? :-)))
In general, with such corrupt generals and ministers, we are simply not worthy of this war.

[Starksa]

already? don’t whine, everything will happen, it’s impossible to do everything at once in 10 years

[703-s]

StarkSA Today, 19:10 new 1 
already? don’t whine, everything will happen, it’s impossible to do everything at once in 10 years

[Prorox]

Quote: twin22

A detailed report on the destruction of the Yu.A. Air Force Academy. Gagarin

I wanted to ask everything about how to do academies in Moscow, maybe closer to technology. to airfields and fly more often. you see, there will be more skill or simply academicians are reluctant to change their place of residence.

[twin22]

Quote: Prorox

I wanted to ask everything about how to do academies in Moscow, maybe closer to technology. to airfields and fly more often. you see, there will be more skill or simply academicians are reluctant to change their place of residence.

It’s even difficult for me to respond to such stupidity...
It doesn’t matter whether academicians want to leave somewhere or not. Just evaluate the result of this experiment and its consequences for the country...

The fact that there is almost no one to fly combat aircraft is half the problem (these are just planes... well, they fall, so what)
Well, what if some Poplar suddenly flies somewhere? Or it will fly, but not go anywhere... :-) Or will not one fly anywhere when it should...?

[Prorox]

Quote: twin22

The fact that there is almost no one to fly combat aircraft

I didn’t think that I was so “smart” if you read and take information from this site, Zyuganov and Co. recently saw a pregnant woman with eggs, the doctors say it’s a bruise.
And I think why our “Chkalovets” SU-34 is riveting, there’s no one to fly anyway, but they don’t let up.
Suddenly they don’t fly to future Topols, the coordinates of the targets were developed back in the Union, so they will reach the target, don’t worry.
Yes, that’s right, everything is gone. The station has left.

[Imperialist]

Yes, your links confirm that the corrupt yellow press is your source of information.

Continue reading this, they will tell you even cooler things.

It’s like you have to disrespect yourself in order to cite the source “Free Press”, the only thing it is free from is common sense.

[twin22]

Quote: Imperialist

Yes, your links confirm that the corrupt yellow press is your source of information.

Who appointed these sources as the “yellow press”? Isn't it you? :-)

And this is also the yellow press: http://newsru.com/russia/18may2012/aviatrash.html

And this is also the yellow press: http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2012/05/17/climate/562949983864408

Are you overheated? You're the one who's drooling the most here...

[Alekseev]

Quote: Imperialist

After all, apart from the screams, there is nothing specific to blame him for.

It's hard to be made of wood up to your waist. All they do is “reproach” Borovka Perdyukov for the case, but the imperials don’t know why!
Maybe he doesn’t even know what farts are? What is his profession?
Briefly, for those who are in the tank:
1. Under Serdyukov, the following were destroyed (although more money was allocated than ever before in the history of Russia, praise to oil prices): mobile base, military education, logistics and technical support, permanent readiness units are staffed with yesterday's schoolchildren, conscription and remained the lot of the poor, the sick, and there were no professional rapid reaction forces. Do the Russian people not want to teach military affairs, or are they afraid? They dispersed, along with the crap, a lot of military officers and generals. Those who remain are often opportunistic sycophants. They don’t want to SERVE, they want to get a high salary for as long as possible through chameleonism. After all, army officers will receive only half the pension they deserve; they are not judges with investigators! The extremely important institution of warrant officers-specialists has been eliminated. The army has become extremely corrupt, the soldiers, as Peter the Great used to say, are slowly but surely “becoming women.” No demand, no responsibility.
The housing issue, despite colossal funding, has not been resolved. The young galleries did not correctly calculate the number of people in need State defense orders are regularly disrupted, new models of weapons and military equipment are received in a single manner for the scale of our country, and vulnerable Mistral “troughs” are purchased for 1,5 billion euros. Where will they sail without air and ship cover, to which distant shores?
Enough for a start?

[Imperialist]

All the same, a lie does not become the truth even if you constantly repeat it and shout loudly.

You didn’t say anything specific, just screams.

Destroyed, destroyed, destroyed,

This is the only argument, there is no evidence just screams, ruined, ruined.

And the fact that almost all the military have finally been provided with apartments, and the fact that salaries have been raised three times, that new equipment is arriving in large quantities, that the soldiers no longer peel potatoes and do not work as cleaners and janitors, but are engaged in combat training, then what is being carried out regularly exercises are not only tactical but strategic, no one is interested in this


I don’t understand at all what is wrong with some Russians, you pretend as if before Serdyukov you had an ideal army, and the evil Serdyukov came and destroyed everything.

Well, this is nonsense, remember the Chechen wars, the war in Georgia, the Russian army was not even capable of fighting in a small local conflict against bandits or some kind of dwarf state,
before Serdyukov it was not an army, a disgrace.

[twin22]

Quote: Imperialist

All the same, a lie does not become the truth even if you constantly repeat it and shout loudly. You didn’t say anything specific, just screams. It’s ruined, it’s ruined, it’s ruined, this is the only argument, there’s no evidence, not just screams, it’s ruined, it’s ruined.

Guys, this is useless. Apparently this is a very difficult case... :-))

[Alekseev]

The case is difficult... "ban tilivizir" I need it for a friend. The Chechen wars, for information, were fought by the army in the presence of a collapsed EBN with its comrades in the state, betrayal of politicians, and often lack of funding.
Against the strongest separatist army in the world at that time, albeit a partisan one. And the enemy, like the Georgian army, was actually defeated. Despite any difficulties and betrayals. This was not at all what Russia’s enemies were counting on when they took up arms. There was still “gunpowder in the flasks”, there was a seasoned officer corps, from ancient Soviet times, there were generals who not only themselves “did not spare their bellies,” but also their sons laid down their lives for Russia. The destruction began not under Perdyukov, but also under the Kremlin elders, Misha marked and super successful in the 90s.
No one is saying that there was no need to reform the army (maybe it will finally happen) . the question is that this is being done barbarously, not professionally, although only one can say that absolutely everything is bad.
And to get the facts, you need to get out of Germany and visit the inside of the Higher Command, at a defense enterprise, at a high school, at a military registration and enlistment office. then you will understand why people are indignant, in front of a TV or computer monitor you will not understand, even though you may have seven spans in your forehead. (“It’s unlikely,” as Comrade Sukhov said)

[St Petrov]

support

[Katran]

I’m wondering why Serdyukov doesn’t like everyone so much, the fact that he led a furniture factory, so what, look at the current director of Izhmash, the man has been running a bank all his life and came to the enterprise and raised him from his knees in a year, so the person’s personal qualities should be taken into account look ; whether he is a good leader, not a thief, and so on. And as for army reform, the chickens think in the fall, wait and see.

[Imperialist]

It’s very simple that they need someone who would wave his arms, shout loudly and don’t do anything, the “independent” Russian media won’t write anything about him and brainwash people.

[Starksa]

I’m glad that they finally removed this Dibilka Fursenko, there’s not enough anger at him

[ya.pershing2013]

Quote: Imperialist

It’s good that Putin did not succumb to populism and did not remove Serdyukov.

After all, apart from the screams, there is nothing specific to blame him for.

Comparing the Russian army before and after the reform is pointless, it was a paper tiger and nothing more. And the newspaper men, scribblers,

Journalists and all sorts of idiots like Ivashov, Sivkov can bark and the caravan moves on.

And time has already judged and will judge even further who is who.

In 6 years, the Russian army will be rearmed and fully equipped.

I completely agree, especially regarding Ivashov and Sivkov - what a “sweet couple” they are.

[patriot2]

Everything would be fine, but Serdyukov is not popular in the Army and Navy, and the military pensions do not like him. What did the tandem like so much about Serdyukov - try to guess the mystery man (just like Austin Powers).
Apparently he hasn’t completed everything yet and has destroyed everything in our Armed Forces? Or can he sing sweetly? This means that he has come to the right place, that is, to the court, and how can he leave his wife’s business without her husband’s guardianship - who will look after the servants?
No, he decided, I’ll stay by any means.

[volcano]

I'll add my 5 cents. There are positive moments (Fursenko, Golikova) and there are bad ones. SERDIUKOV. The fact of his appointment suggests that the reform is not completed. How so, we ask? The army was reduced, a brigade system was introduced, military districts were reorganized into the USC...... The system of military universities was completely destroyed. Where next? So why did they leave it? Apparently to reform further. Personally, I did not expect this from GDP. He upset me.
I would even say more ALERT.

[ya.pershing2013]

Well, if you follow the theory of nepotism, then Serdyukov will soon be fired, since he is Zubkov’s son-in-law, who is not in the new government, there will be no one to stand up for Anatoly Eduardovich, so Serdyukov’s enemies still have some hope. The Chief of the General Staff, Makarov, recently received the Star of the Hero of Russia, and in Russia, “tsatski” are usually given before the upcoming resignation (example of Nurgaliev). So guys, don't lose heart!

[Volkhov]

Serdyukov - it’s quite logical, firstly, he didn’t sell everything, he didn’t blow up everything, and not everyone is suitable for this work, and secondly, there will soon be a war with the expected defeat, and then he will be removed, like Zhukov at 41, and if a Russian came, I would have suffered for nothing.
The degrees of defeat are different, sometimes people are offended by deception, so it would be useful to study the election system from below (foreman, centurion, thousand...), suddenly it will come in handy soon, and just as knowledge of history is useful, after all, Russia under this system lived for thousands of years and was the leader of the world....

[Hleb]

Please note: "I DO NOT HAVE ANY FAULT"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B5xpyTAYxGE

The film by Svetlana Stasenko, based on the script by Igor Khrekin, tells about the fairly well-known case of Lieutenant Sergei Arakcheev, accused of murdering three residents of Chechnya, twice acquitted by a jury, but sentenced by a military tribunal to 15 years in prison.

[Odessa]

Gleb almost always gives good links!

[Katran]

I see that many opponents of reform simply do not understand the situation well. Russia is not the USSR and now is not the 60-80s: a different level of technology, different strategic goals, a different military budget and human resources. So what was good yesterday is not a fact that it will work today. When Peter the first reformed the army and navy, many of his contemporaries were also against it, but time has dotted everything.

[Imperialist]

Now you have come to the root.

It is a Russian tradition to hate the authorities and blame them for everything.

After all, any government has always been hated if you look at the entire Russian history.

The most successful rulers were slandered the most; the more successes, the more they absere

Plus, hysterical ass-aholism is also a Russian tradition.

What surprises me most is how some Russians simply forgot what was going on with their army before the reform, as if they had an ideal army before the reform.

[Cadet787]

To the imperialist.
I understand your concern about reforms in the Russian army; until now they have followed NATO plans, and “stool” is the key to these reforms. Of course, you would like to come to Russia without encountering resistance because... the army is almost collapsed, but history doesn’t teach you anything. In the face of danger, Russians become united; history will throw such ministers into the toilet, and we will fight, as before, for every piece of our land. It’s a pity that, as always, there was a lot of bloodshed, dear Supreme Commander-in-Chief!

[Katran]

Cadet, who are you talking to? Do you really think that we are agents of German intelligence, if you woke up here, all the former citizens of Russia/CIS, and the last thing I would want is for NATO to start aggression against Russia, but realistically, if the army is not reformed, then in a couple of years, really, not even NATO, but some Saakashvili will be enough for occupation of Russia.

[Cadet787]

Katran.
You are a former citizen of Russia, whether you like it or not, when it comes, they will drive you away and you won’t be able to escape. How do you know what kind of army there should be? Judging by your posts, in military affairs you will forgive an amateur. And be more polite, poking at strangers is a sign of bad taste.

[Katran]

Yes, there’s nothing to say, no matter what you say, you’re unlikely to understand, for this you need to live in Russia and then Here in Germany, of all my Russian-speaking friends, no one will fight on the side of NATO in the conflict with Russia, and this cattle can also be driven to slaughter somewhere but a person always has a choice, here on the site there was an article about the brother of the well-known Goering, who sheltered Jews from persecution during the Second World War, there is no need to flatter what could have happened to him, think about it, Well, as for my bad upbringing, it’s quite a shame to hear such things from YOU It’s funny, if the site held a competition of boorish comments, then YOU would take an honorable prize place, well, about my dedication, I don’t pretend to be a military pro, but in order to understand what kind of farce is going on around the name of Serdyukov, you don’t need professional military knowledge, just someone... then he is running a black PR campaign against the Minister of Defense.

[Katran]

This is on the issue of familiarity (poking). YOU are familiar with this comment
“Where is the bow?))) You probably understood where or give me a hint.”
YOU are probably an ardent fan of double standards

[saruman]

Peter did not reform the army, but created it anew. Since Russia did not have a regular army, much less a fleet, at that time. The semi-regular archers rebelled against Peter and were disbanded, many were executed.

Nobody is against reform. If the reform is aimed at increasing Russia's defense capability.

[rinzhak]

Nurgaliev is at least a general, he served in the KGB, but Serdukov, in general, where is he from, what did he command, where did he fight, who is his rank?

[Katran]

Yes, Serdyukov should not command Brigades or fight for this, the General Staff exists. Serdyukov is the chief manager of the army, he must monitor the supply of new equipment to the army, the strategy for the development of this army, and so that they do not steal. And by the way, in many countries the Minister of Defense is not a career military man.

[Cadet787]

Katran.
But he wears a jacket to parades.

[Cadet787]

"Taburetkin" rose to the rank of head. sections in a furniture store, they didn’t even entrust the position of director. Militarily, he is no one and there is no name for him.

[alps]

Grachev rose to the rank of Minister of Defense, fought in Afghanistan, was an officer in the Airborne Forces, and so on - tell us about the first Chechen war?

[wolverine7778]

Anatoly Serdyukov gained the complete trust of Putin, he adhered to all the ethical rules established by Putin under his previous government, his behavior is impeccable

[Samsebenaum]

Please add to the dossier that one of the daughters of then Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin got married. Writer Alexander Prokhanov once spoke about this on the radio, noting that a certain Russian oligarch became related to the ex-president’s family.

Russian media discussed the fact that the groom was the youngest son of Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, and the bride was the prime minister's youngest daughter, 23-year-old Katya.

It is noteworthy that earlier Serdyukov became the son-in-law of Viktor Zubkov, then also the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation.
So, they are matchmakers. And this is already a determining factor for our current government.

[IGR]

continuation of the series......

[alps]

Stupidity, Putin doesn’t need family ties, he copes well without them.

[North]

Good afternoon.
Explain which of these ministers is responsible for the development of industry in the regions?
Thank you in advance.

[Samsebenaum]

Is anyone already responsible for something? For which industry and in which regions? In depressed people there is no industry, which means there are no problems... and this means that there is nothing to be responsible for. After all, the region has no problems. It's simple.

[Katran]

And the fact that they don’t like him in the army is clear how many generals he removed from their positions, drove them away from the feeding trough. There were also such specialists in positions for whom probably the favorite tactical technique was a bayonet attack or a cavalry entry to the rear. If anyone doubts it, remember the war in Chechnya, how “skillfully” they led it. So the spirit and traditions of the Soviet army are good, but you need to think differently.

Well, well, we live from everything advanced from the West, only moronic talk shows, glamor and pop music, we adopt nothing worse than what we ourselves don’t know how to learn.

And I realized that for someone, it’s just that the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany causes a conditioned reflex to minus, or maybe Serdyukov personally offended him in some way, was rude in Aftobus or crushed his leg, otherwise I don’t even know how to understand all this, if you have something to object to on the merits, then write, otherwise minus any Homosapiens Maybe.

And I realized that for someone, it’s just that the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany causes a conditioned reflex to minus, or maybe Serdyukov personally offended him in some way, was rude in Aftobus or crushed his leg, otherwise I don’t even know how to understand all this, if you have something to object to on the merits, then write, otherwise minus any Homosapiens Maybe.

[Imperialist]

Why don't they like him in the army???

Who said that?

Some commentator from above?

But in principle, why does Serdyukov need someone’s love? For this he has a wife and children.

The main thing is not love, but clear results; he raised military salaries 3 times and provided them with apartments.

And military schools need to be enlarged, we need to have one normal school and not several wretched ones.

[Colonel]

I said. Understood, .

[Katran]

And I realized that for someone, it’s just that the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany causes a conditioned reflex to minus, or maybe Serdyukov personally offended him in some way, was rude in Aftobus or crushed his leg, otherwise I don’t even know how to understand all this, if you have something to object to on the merits, then write, otherwise minus any Homosapiens Maybe.

[Imperialist]

These are zombies who have been brainwashed by anti-government propaganda and should not be expected to take any sane actions.

[twin22]

Quote: Imperialist

These are zombies who have been brainwashed by anti-government propaganda and should not be expected to take any sane actions.

Guys, what does your flag have to do with it? You're both just talking nonsense

[Katran]

nonsense is when it is emotional and unreasonable like “guys, what does the flag have to do with it, you’re just talking nonsense” (quote) I’m just tired of putting pressure on logic and presenting facts and arguments.

[ya.pershing2013]

Quote: rinzhak

Nurgaliev is at least a general, he served in the KGB,

Better 10 Serdyukovs than 1 such “general” Nurgaliev!

[igor67]

I read all the comments. And now, if I can take a look from the outside. How long has Serdyukov been minister for 3-4 years? What can be done in this short period of time? If it’s been almost 20 years - Nothing. Of the thousands of enterprises in the defense complex, what’s left is chips. Of those who remained, many are now abroad. All technological connections have been broken. From the lost enterprises, technology has also been lost. You think that you should take a 16k20 machine and turn everything out. From personal experience in assembling an aircraft engine, the bearings came from different gas processing plants. Rubber seals too. In short, from everything former USSR. Now we present. that half of the enterprises do not exist. the whole cycle is broken and you won’t find technologies on Google. And creating new ones is a very expensive business. Despite the fact that there were elections and it was necessary to fulfill promises on social programs. And these are also considerable costs. So if you put anyone in this position now, he won’t be able to to do something in a short time. This is where the purchase of foreign equipment and technologies comes from. So start quickly

[igor67]

But before minus, you can justify the topic, by the way, it’s serious

[Samsebenaum]

Oh, how much I don’t like it when amateurs get down to business...
I never understood this and never will, honestly...
The question is, who is Serdyukov? How should we relate his education and specialization to the army?
Question two, whose “brilliant” idea is this?
Now logic problems using everyday examples: Do you call dentists in case of a fire? Will you fly on an airplane with an architect at the controls? Maybe instead of a doctor you call a team of installers?
Well, understand, people, in the army leadership, like in any other, there must be professionals in THEIR field.
I didn't vote for everyone? chosen one, because everything that is done by inept hands will collapse! Well, what is not clear here?
Learn, you say? Yes, it’s possible, but first - at your desk, get an education.
Serdyukov is a mockery of the military. Give him at least 200 years, he won’t be enough. Remember, as in the Soviet song: “If tomorrow there is a war, if tomorrow there is a campaign...” So, enough of the illusions, time passes, but something breaks down in our country, is not fulfilled, falls, explodes. Trouble is, if the cake maker starts sewing boots...

[Imperialist]

The Minister is, first of all, just a bureaucrat, the Minister does not lead the army, this is done by the head of the General Staff,

Serdyukov did not develop this reform himself, stop talking nonsense

[Samsebenaum]

Dear Imperialist, I know your amendments, no worse than yours...
We live in Russia, where everyone knows how to treat, teach and lead the country.
It’s one thing when a country has a military mechanism that has been adjusted to the point of automaticity, and you can let a child take the helm; it’s another thing when such a mechanism has been destroyed in the country, and unknown reformers and civilian executors have received carte blanche to experiment in the army. No, excuse me
So, it’s an Imperialist, depending on what angle you look at it from. As for nonsense, it’s in vain...geh zum Teufel.
Auf Wiedersehen,

[igor67]

Quote: Samsebenum

Oh, how much I don’t like it when amateurs get down to business...

is this for me or Serdyukov. I have 15 years of experience in repairing aircraft.. The position of the Minister of Defense in a capital country. Which is what it is now and Russia does not necessarily have to be a military man. A financier is a must. A lot has already been written on the forums about the repeated unreasonable increase in prices for military-industrial complex products, etc. But there should be military professionals around

[Samsebenaum]

igor67
This is for Serdyukov and others like him. I know that in that position it is not necessary to be a military man, but in this case we will be dealing with the Serdyukovs, Golikovs, Fursenkos.
And the point of my comment is to show the weakness of this approach.
I didn’t even think about you, Igor. The word "you" is plural here.

[igor67]

Thank you, I understand you. I was just trying to describe in a small comment somewhere, even from the technical side, the depth of the problem.

[pavlo007]

One says that 12 years was not enough, now there is someone for whom 4 is not enough. Nobody demands miracles. The problem is a little different, in the lack of positive dynamics. Everything that has been done by GDP is nothing more than a redistribution of spheres of influence between clans.
Although many on this site, judging by the comments, have a TV with the first channel turned on instead of a head. for some reason, many people do not realize that the difference between Pukin and Kasparov is access to the saw with which the country is sawed.
Maybe someone has forgotten how the national leader was found, under what birch tree he was found, who else remembers?

[zol1]

Why do we need an army, especially a combat-ready one! Reduce to platoon, Tubaretkin to platoon. Therefore, the emergency collection will be super fast! In general, it’s easier to feed someone else’s army, it looks like we’ll get there.

[Imperialist]

Really, why do you need a combat-ready army? The army before the reform was ideal, such a formidable paper tiger,

on paper it had a strength of 5 million, well, not a single division was staffed, but now all the units are 1 million, well, on paper it no longer evokes such admiration as before.

[pavlo007]

I wonder why a man who, 12 years after Tsar Boris, was finally cleaning up the country and its defense industry, had to remove Serdyukov? Like Dima didn’t allow it before?
Wake up guys...

[Imperialist]

Yes, your beloved kamunyaks with your Gorbachev cleared out the great USSR in 3 years with a “successful” perestroika, but Putin has been fighting for 12 years and can’t clear out the decrepit Russian Federation, apparently Gorbachev was smarter in 3 years, but the traitor Putin has not been able to for 12 years will handle it.

[Prorox]

Imperialist, don’t pay attention, the troll came to eat, leave him hungry, he will evaporate faster.

[warrior05]

The pink ones have already started gaining points here, I think this reassignment of Perdyukov will destroy the friendly family on this site, and in my opinion this is a big mistake

[pavlo007]

Poor Uncle Vova. Serdyukov is bad and his good, all night by the green Kremlin lamp he is setting up someone who thinks about the good of the people, but he doesn’t even know... On the forum everyone knows, but the savior of Russia doesn’t even know... Where is the mistake? Isn't it funny to yourself? A person simply selects personnel to implement his plan.

What a shame is the modernization of Gorshkov for the Indians - welders were lured from Nikolaev and the estimates were revised three times.

[Imperialist]

Well, why do you need to steal welders, you don’t build ships anymore, but Russia does, all the shipyards are inundated with orders, it’s very good that specialists from other countries are coming to Russia.

Yes, such an evil plan.

A very evil, sophisticated plan to destroy the army and Russia:

-destroyed by supplies of new war equipment

-a threefold increase in salaries

-regular exercises and quarters

[twin22]

This is of course an argument.

Personally, I see both. Those. Indeed, at least some equipment goes to the army. They also receive military salaries and apartments.

But the collapse is still obvious. And there are enough arguments given here (it’s strange not to acknowledge them)

But I remember all these projects on the scale of the Sochi Olympics, various Sapsan aircraft, etc., which the GDP loves so much. What about Transneft? Does anyone know how much money was laundered there?
And his funny statement last year that our country has grown to projects at the level of the Hadron Collider... It sounded like a proposal, and it’s even strange that our academics did not support GDP (God bless them)...:-)
But what is this compared to those 23 trillion? And most importantly - what a pretext: reforming the Russian army!

Well, salaries and apartments...
The authorities don’t need an army to stand up against it in addition to the swamp army.

In general, there is a question... So, what do you think of this version?

[Brother Sarych]

Everyone here has gone crazy over the field furniture, but have you noticed such a strange post - Minister for Relations with Open Government? And who the hell was appointed to this post?
I think that they did not notice and did not understand - I will explain in more detail for the talents:
An open government is such a very cunning supra-governmental office that is specifically set up to control everything that happens in supposedly sovereign countries, it’s not difficult to guess who runs it and why this is needed!
So think about why a post of special overseer and controller should be established in the Russian Federation - and then, with such a development trend, one can forget about sovereignty, soon a highly civilized white sahib will come and teach the stupid Russians true democracy...
Congratulations - you've waited!

[LiRoy]

Finally they replaced Nurgaliyev, otherwise he handed over the entire ministry to the committee members, and his authority dropped below the plinth. And in general he was more of an executive director and not a minister.
Kolokoltsev is a tough guy and will now start tightening the screws.

[Imperialist]

I don’t really understand what’s wrong with some Russians, you pretend as if before Serdyukov you had an ideal army, and the evil Serdyukov came and destroyed everything.

[volcano]

Dear Imperialist. Before Serdyukov, of course, we didn’t have an Ideal Army, but it WAS. Do you have at least some connection to the Army in order to understand that both the quantitative and qualitative and structural indicators of the Army to which they want to lead us cause, to put it mildly, CONSUSION among both the military and military analysts and other people from military science. A stupid attempt to adjust our Army to the structure of NATO armies (in particular the USA) is the same utter stupidity as an attempt to pass off a “new” uniform from the military “professional” Yudashkin as a genius of military uniforms. The reform, like everything that is being done in our country, is not calculated. The result is disastrous. We don't even need saboteurs. Defense capability is falling before our eyes. And you say.....

[with]

Quote: volkan

Before Serdyukov, of course, we didn’t have an Ideal Army, but it WAS.

Really? There was an army in Georgia too!!!)))

Quote: volkan

Defense capability is falling before our eyes. And you say.....

Well, no comments at all!!)))
Although there won’t be one - So pick it up!!!)))
Above the head head bang!!!))

[416494]

Our army ended with the coming to power of the great reformer, Gorbachev. With the advent of Yeltsin. The army turned into a zone with the flourishing of complete hazing. The generals got into the business of trading military property, and combat training became the construction of generals' dachas. And no Serdyukov is even close there were no army redistributions on the horizon. So there is no need to blame all the troubles of the Army on the Ministry of Defense. Maybe the ships were at the wall and the planes did not fly, and the military equipment was laid up due to the fault of the Ministry of Defense? But now everything works.

[Pimply]

What was she like? When did you have to send a Tu-22 drone that was shot down instead? Or total theft? Clumsiness? Boniness of generals? No, wait, the army was perfect.

There was no hazing in it. There was no situation of the First Chechen War, or even the Second, with the grandiose blunders of the commanders. Under the Union there was also a continuous ideal. Bravo. Serdyukov destroyed the army.

[Ustas]

Pimply, in August 2008 Serdyukov was already Minister of Defense. But the fact that the Tu-22 was sent instead of a UAV has nothing to do with the Ministry of Defense.

[wolk71]

What happened before Serdyukov (although I don’t praise him)? Army? Without weapons or with outdated weapons left over from the SA, is this an army? Since the 80s, the first arrivals (not one or two aircraft per year) of weapons and not to one branch of the military or district, but to all districts and branches of the military. Compare the facts, please, gentlemen and comrades.

[SlavaS]

Who is living poorly now?

[wolk71]

The opposition, they have nothing to eat, they are swollen from hunger

[Colonel]

OK it's all over Now. I'm not on the same page with this government. Good luck, guys.

[sergo0000]

There is probably no such person who could become a real MO. And Serdyukov, what kind of MO is he!? He’s not even a military man! He’ll complete the reform, they’ll ask. If you deal with corruption partly, outsourcing will regulate it, the supply will be brought to mind, and that’s okay. Try it Now a new person will understand his business! It’s just a couple of years before he gets to grips with it. Let him take it further and fine-tune it. I hope it won’t be long and there won’t be too much.
I knew that by evening my mood would drop to zero.

[12Ural12]

With the arrival of Taburetkin, theft in the army has increased significantly, such corruption has never happened before, the reform is being carried out for unknown reasons - the military doctrine has not yet been adopted. Yes, there is very little time left before the complete collapse of the army.

[416494]

I think that you are mistaken. You would like this so much. But it will not be so. The army will be modern and the navy too. And theft has always been there, but no matter how much the rope twists, the end will still be there.

[Vito]

Our beloved ARMY, why are you suffering so much!

[12Ural12]

Armies are crazy! We will strengthen the border with hedgehogs made of stools with their legs up, and we will collect stools in our mob reserves to fight off the enemy.

[416494]

This is what you will do there.

[416494]

On the forum there is continuous whining and crying from Yaroslavna. Only one balanced and positive comment is from Aventurinka-Yulia, a huge + for her. Each forum member sees the other as an opponent, not an interlocutor. The government hasn’t even started working yet, and they’ve already screwed everything up. Why did you gather at the forum? Everyone is smart, everyone is in uniform, everyone is cool, everyone knows how to run a state, I’m not even talking about the Army, they took Kalash in their hands and went ahead.... build. Only I think Russia didn’t fall apart in the 90s, now it won’t fall apart and positive now every year is much more than 10 years ago and the Army has already transformed, and the aircraft manufacturing industry is busy with work and shipbuilding is developing and other industries are gaining momentum, only the blind, or those who do not want to see it, do not see it. So let's constructively say what needs to be done to strengthen defense capability and the further development of Russia, and not to shout like at a ladies’ fair about how bad everything is, and how bad our leaders are. We don’t have anyone else, we chose ourselves, we would choose others, I’m not sure what would have been different. But we ourselves -what are we doing?

[mechanic33]

Н Why are your passions running high? After all, everything is learned by comparison... I don’t like Serdyukov, God bless him. Who did Medvedev talk to about missile defense in 2011? With the pregnant Minister of Defense of Spain Carme Chacon, the Ministers of Defense of Sweden were also women, in the 90s in Finland, France, and also in Norway... Here is her photo. It turns out that in the NATO bloc, which is the “main external danger” according to our doctrine, it is appropriate to appoint not just “non-military” ministers of defense, but even women. This position is more administrative than military. Grachev was a military man...

And I read about the supposed “collapse of the army” on our website every day, and so do you. Sincerely....

[Karabin]

Quote: mechanic33

This position is more administrative than military.

It’s theirs, especially since the center of NATO’s military development is clearly not in Finland or Norway, and it’s not pretty chicks or even directors of furniture factories who rule there, but military personnel. In our country, after the diffusion of the powers of the Minister of Defense (in Soviet times, he was entirely responsible for the defense complex), a situation developed between the Minister himself, the General Staff, and the Deputy Prime Minister where no one is responsible for the final result. Hence the multidirectional statements of those responsible and the problem with the state defense order.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

I agree - these countries are like secretaries for them - bring them, their military policy is determined in the Pentagon

[Karabin]

Quote: 416494

The forum is full of whining and crying from Yaroslavna.

If you want something positive, please!
Glory to the Great Putin, who raised the country from its knees and turned it into a Great Raw Materials Power!
Glory to Prime Minister Medvedev, the lord of winter time, the Father of Skolkovo.
Glory to offshore minister Shuvalov.
Special Glory to Moscow Region Serdyukov for the creation of modern armed forces; comrades Grechko and Ustinov fade in his shadow.
Forward! To new achievements, to the bright future of the WTO!!!

[416494]

OUR country, even before Putin, was a great raw materials power, if you know history well. Only for these raw materials we received various rubbish from abroad and plunged deeper and deeper into debt. Under Putin, we began to trade at world prices, paid off all debts and created a stabilization. fund, which helped us out a lot. Medvedev’s idea on Skolkovo is sensible. Shuvalov will cover up offshore companies, that’s why he was appointed. If the Defense Ministry now had as much money as the ministers you mentioned, we would have had a modern Army 10 years ago.

[Botanologist]

People, whining is off topic.
All this is “prosralipolimer” moaning about the army - for some reason many people don’t realize that the country has become completely different. Gorbi destroyed the USSR, Yeltsin put Russia (a fragment of the USSR) on Western loans. Everything stood still, no one did anything.
Putin, no matter how you treat him, pieced together what he could from everywhere, and put a civilian splurge on the reform of the army. For one reason - not a single military man would take upon himself the responsibility of completely making something similar to a modern mobile structure out of a rusty Soviet hyperarmy. Yes, he just didn’t have enough imagination.
And now on the site, smart people, most of whom, at best, know how to shoot DOSAAF category 3 from pneumatics, are discussing the topic “how it should have been done correctly.” They just forget to pick up a calculator and count the loot, and also see which of the officers (which unit) is able to take the initiative, learn and not steal the stew from the storeroom.
And after that, tell us that Taburetkin - and if you were a minister, you would have ordered 1000000 tanks and asked Pogosyan to make 10000 aircraft. And - to Zhvanetsky, for comments.

[416494]

Well done, Botanologist, a plus for you. We forgot that using your tongue to waggle is not a way to carry bags. And we also began to forget what the country was like in 1993, and we began to forget not because life began to get worse, but clearly better. Attitudes towards the army and in the army itself have changed in the best side. The military goes about their business, combat training and all branches of the military.

[Karabin]

Quote: Botanologist

the country has become completely different.

I agree that it is different. The only thing that separates us from the status of a third world country is the presence of nuclear weapons. The army is being reformed to suit the tasks of a 3rd world country, and Putin and Serdyukov will bring the reform to the end. And this is the collapse of the country, because Russia can only be an empire.

[416494]

You are just some kind of predictor. What magpie brought this on your tail?

[okroshka79]

For the defense industry to work, it was necessary to create it in the government of the Russian Federation. at least 3-5 line ministries (for example, the Ministry of Aviation Industry, the Ministry of Judicial Industry, the Ministry of Defense Industry). Otherwise, by the year 20 we cannot expect a radical renewal of weapons and military equipment. But everything remains the same. So there will be no point.

[IGR]

It is the sacred duty of every patriot in this difficult time not to mock the Secretary of Defense.

The goal of a politician is to convince people to change their errors to his own.

L.V. Shebarshin

We'll see.....................

[416494]

And we only know how to criticize and mock.

[Ruslan67]

Once again I am convinced that it’s hard to live with idiots! one half on the site knows everything, saw everything, understands everything, but doesn’t ask to go to the potty! the other doesn’t know anything, doesn’t know how to do anything, but talks about everything at once and the only thing that’s right is to finally use your head! What can a military general do? fight! and the Ministry of Defense is housing and communal services sanatoriums hospitals transport railway transportation construction purchasing detergents for toilets and who knows what else! the administrator should manage this entire economy in peacetime, and the supreme commander in chief in wartime, that’s all the discussion!

[procop843]

Now outsourcing will take its toll and let it all go.

[tank64rus]

We argue a lot, but the main question is whether the Army is capable of ensuring the security of its Country or not? Any reduction in weapons and military equipment and personnel of any army, its organizational changes must be compensated by new models of weapons and military equipment superior to foreign ones and new methods of conducting armed struggle, new organizational structures which should be superior to foreign ones. Unfortunately, the copying of the American army persistently carried out by the “reformers” did not lead to anything good. The countries are too different, the tasks of their armies are different and the people are different. This is the main mistake of our “elite”, which already thinks in the Western way, but still lives in Russia. That’s the whole result of the “reforms” of the Armed Forces.

[understudy]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Under the furniture maker, the army was saturated with equipment and fuels and lubricants, airfields began to be repaired, salaries were increased, and all large and small shipyards were filled with orders.

I would admit right away... Yes, I “sit” on the propaganda of all our victories! However, if the above phrase refers to “Serdyukovism,” then it is true only in relation to monetary allowances. Everything else is a bluff for enthusiastic schoolgirls who faint when the “leader of the nation” appears.

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This is very important, because when we then look for the last resort (as they say, “either the people’s reward or the hangman’s noose will look for a hero”), we must know for sure who carried out the reform from beginning to end, and who should be responsible for it .

But this put me in a state of shock! And this is what the general says??? It turns out that the “red sun” appoints not the Minister of Defense, but the SWITCHMAN! Yes, we've never had anything like this before...

And regarding the local “approvals”... I am more and more convinced of the correctness of the conclusion - Political workers (educators) must be eliminated in the Army as a class - absolutely useless, irresponsible and corrupting the Armed Forces from the inside, because under ANY boss’s nonsense they will find convincing justification.

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and the Ministry of Defense is housing and communal services sanatoriums hospitals transport railway transportation construction purchasing detergents for toilets and who knows what else! the administrator should manage this entire economy in peacetime, and the supreme commander in chief in wartime, that’s all the discussion!

Indeed, a bunch of idiots if the functions of the Ministry of Defense are reduced to designated categories. Ugh!

[Ruslan67]

don't overdo it! You understand perfectly well that during a period of peace, the army is being equipped and supplied, as well as the infrastructure is being improved and maintained in working order. What do the combat soldiers really understand about this? By order, you can only paint the grass in front of the headquarters, but in order to build a barracks or repair the road, you need something Another thing I personally don’t like is Serdyukov’s face alone, but it wasn’t he who stopped supplying equipment to the army for 15-20 years, but it’s up to him to rake it

[understudy]

"...When in 1990 I first heard that reform was needed, I realized that the army in which I served no longer exists. What do the words “military reform” mean for any military unit? They mean the end of combat preparation. Now everyone will sit and wait for the reform to come - no one will do a damn thing. Why? You build today, and tomorrow they will come and tear it down.

And the Russian army has been in this state – “they’ll break it tomorrow” – for 20 years.

And Medvedev was right about the end of reform in the army - repairs can only be stopped.

And a lot has already been done - “the mobility of the armed forces has increased.”

We are announcing an increase in mobility. Announced - increased. And the saturation of the aircraft with the latest models of equipment reached the long-awaited 2011% by 16.

It is with these percentages that we will restrain, for example, the 200 million strong Chinese army.

Our one million against their two hundred. Two hundred to one is a normal ratio.

This is where our latest technology, our 16%, comes in handy. If you destroy 1 million a day, then all this disgrace will take 200 days - that’s the whole war.

By the way, the proposed new structure - the Western, Southern, Central and Eastern districts - is capable of providing us with all this. Easily. Has anyone checked this? No. Maybe they were conducting exercises? Conducted. By the way, the Chinese also carried out this. Their maneuvers to transport armies 1000 kilometers in the shortest possible time are impressive. Ours is not.

And then - how to transfer the parts? Our railway running along the Chinese border is cut “one, two, three.” By plane? By air?

Reference: out of 1800 aircraft, 1200 cannot fly into the air. And 7 newly created “air bases with powerful infrastructure” are 3 squadrons per each (maximum). We multiply quickly and get - 21. The area of ​​Russia is 17 million 98 thousand square meters. km Quickly divide into 21 squadrons - 814 thousand square meters. km for each - of course, we will protect. We’ll just give kerosene a ride somehow. Out of 1223 airfields, only 120 remained in service. Runways - out of 1600, 60 remained.

How are we doing with air defense? Wonderful. The supply of new equipment to the air defense stopped in 1994, and resumed in 2007. 13 years have passed. Everything is rotten. We now have “holes” in our air defense. The most exposed area - wow, again next to China! – between Khabarovsk and Irkutsk – 3400 km. Not covered from the air - Omsk, Perm, Izhevsk, Chelyabinsk and so on - we can continue. And some divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces can be shot from the air simply from a private plane.

Ground forces - 10 armies of 3-4 brigades each. But in Chita there is only one brigade - from Ude to Belogorsk - for 3 thousand km. If the Chinese suddenly start looking for her, they will have to travel thousands of kilometers.

But perhaps everything is fine with our combat readiness? Certainly. Shall we check? For verification, we only need 4 General Staff officers. They must appear at any brigade, stand there in the corners and suddenly declare full combat readiness. After that they time it. If that brigade, not in an hour, but in a few days, is ready to be transferred “to a potential theater of operations,” I will be very (well, just very) surprised.

A brigade, compared to a regiment, is clumsy - it is, in fact, a regiment with all the stuffing of a division - it is difficult to move it in peacetime, let alone in war.

But, by the way, everything can be seen even at staff exercises - the old organization is fighting with the new organization. On the maps. Staff games. Practice is the criterion of truth. Have such exercises been conducted? No.

But perhaps we also have the Strategic Missile Forces - strategic missile forces? Certainly! It is they who will show Kuzka’s mother to the enemy!
The Strategic Missile Forces consist of: combat railway missile systems, silo-based and mobile missile systems. Combat railway missile systems (BZHRK) - during the time of Gorbachev they were laid up, during the time of Yeltsin they were illuminated with beacons - so that the Americans would not accidentally lose sight of them, during the time of Putin - they were destroyed. In addition, during Putin’s time, the best missile divisions with Satan missile systems (Western terminology) were destroyed. They were able to overcome any missile defense system, the improvement of which in Europe has been so movingly discussed by everyone lately.

But perhaps we also have nuclear submarines - strategic nuclear missile submarines (RPK SN). Eat. There are a few things left. In 1991, there were 55 of them. By 2015, there will be none left. But new ones have entered and will still enter service. They will come in. But of course! But the Bulava missile has a range of 8000 km, while the old Sineva missile has a range of 12000.

Strategic bombers? There are 13 TU-160 and 63 TU-95MS left – but they have long since exhausted their service life.

Military education system - our military education system has been destroyed.

The Military Academy of the General Staff is beauty and pride. Where is she? Converted into six-month courses.

Military science? We don't have military science.

GRU - main intelligence agency? Our GRU has been practically destroyed.

OPK – military-industrial complex? In critical condition. It’s time to call a priest to this patient’s bedside.

Conclusion?

NATO military analysts will conclude: “As a result of the reforms carried out, the Russian Armed Forces are no longer able to successfully solve problems even in local conflicts, the Russian army does not have a sufficient number of vehicles to transport troops over long distances, does not have a sufficient number of aircraft and pilots who can fly no matter the weather, there is no single information system. There aren’t even enough soldiers in the army, and besides...” - you don’t even have to listen to what we have “besides.”

Everything is clear.

Alexander Pokrovsky..." (c)
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And this info is for enthusiastic idiots.

[Col.]

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And this info is for enthusiastic idiots.

The fact of the matter is that those who are enthusiastic do not consider themselves idiots, but on the contrary, they consider themselves patriots when they rejoice at beautiful airplanes, new tanks and boats, which the hand-held media so love to show to the public. And any competent officer knows that the true state of affairs in the defense sector is simply catastrophic!

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Quote: Colonel

And any competent officer knows that the true state of affairs in the defense sector is simply catastrophic!

As a “competent officer”, is it time for you to shoot yourself?!)))
Ali weak?)))

[Patriot]

So, I apologize for interfering in ghazgovogkh, but sho vi govogkhite and govogkhite. Show the pghimegh to the Ghossi ghazhdans. I'm talking about the bullet with which you maliciously seduce your interlocutor.

So, I apologize for interfering in ghazgovogkh, but sho vi govogkhite and govogkhite. Show the pghimegh to the Ghossi ghazhdans. I'm talking about the bullet with which you maliciously seduce your interlocutor.

So, I apologize for interfering in ghazgovogkh, but sho vi govogkhite and govogkhite. Show the pghimegh to the Ghossi ghazhdans. I'm talking about the bullet with which you maliciously seduce your interlocutor.

So, I apologize for interfering in ghazgovogkh, but sho vi govogkhite and govogkhite. Show the pghimegh to the Ghossi ghazhdans. I'm talking about the bullet with which you maliciously seduce your interlocutor.

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Quote: Patriot

So, I apologize for interfering in ghazgovogkh, but sho vi govogkhite and govogkhite. Show the pghimegh to the Ghossi ghazhdans. I'm talking about the bullet with which you maliciously seduce your interlocutor.

Don't look like a Jew, it doesn't suit you.
Jews read all posts correctly and competently, but you are only the last one and not carefully!)))

[Colonel]

I assume that a competent officer should not shoot in this case! But shooting a provocateur is a sacred thing!

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Quote: colonel

I assume that a competent officer should not shoot in this case!

A competent officer does not whine!!!))))

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But shooting a provocateur is a sacred thing!

For an officer, disaster means only one shot...
Alas, you don’t even know this!!!(((
Do not sign with officer ranks!!!
Simply write HOMA No. 1, No. 2, etc., then no one will offer you to shoot yourself!!!)))
We will then send you to the veterinarian for preparation!!)))

[Colonel]

Do you understand what you said?

For an officer, disaster means only one shot...

And send it to the account... well, well, risk your health.

[alps]

You don’t need a snotty one, I still have it from my children, whom I punished and still punish for whining and complaining about each other?

[Patriot]

. Well, what about the bald slang of Putin’s followers? Snotty, children, complaints, whining. THIS IS NOT COMPLAINING AND WHINING!

THIS IS THE CRY OF THE PEOPLE AND THEIR ARMY, WHICH HAS BEEN DESTROYED FOR 20 YEARS.

And you only have strange epithets. YOU AND ANOTHER ANOTHER adept Esaul. Horror. No respect for the interlocutor.

[Patriot]

Thank you Understudy.
For a correct analysis (although perhaps not yours) of the real situation in the defense of the Russian Federation. Without rose-colored glasses, without pretentious exclamations...

THAT'S JUST... IT'S A PITY AND IT'S PAINFUL FOR WHAT THE ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE DID FROM OUR COUNTRY. BUT, WHAT CLINY ENEMIES THEY ARE. HOW LYING THEY ARE, THAT AFTER EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE SO ARTIFICALLY FOLLOW THEIR BRAINS AND STUPID THE PEOPLE, THAT THEY ALSO VOTE IN THEIR SUPPORT!!!! I HAVE NO WORDS!

It seems to me that if our people in 1990-1991. knew at least part of the “results” of the government of Gorbi-ebn-vvp... He would have strung them all up on poles back then. But they came to us like wolves in sheep's clothing. And then few could reveal their true devilish face. Yes, what can I say... Until now, our citizens are not able to take off their glasses, open their eyes and realize who they trusted.

[Colonel]

Understudy, guess what. If you knew the year of manufacture of the units that come with the advertised Yars and Topols, you would laugh for a long time, or, on the contrary, you wouldn’t laugh. Our opponents (such as Petroff) are ecstatic about single samples, but the issue of support and infrastructure is not for them exists. By God I didn’t want to comment anything further, but some of the thoughts expressed here are either naive or vile. I hope for the first. Thank you.

[mar.tira]

Quote: Understudy

And this info is for enthusiastic idiots.

And you piss in their eyes, and they say God’s dew. On the computer, or in the zombie box, it’s more common to insult, and it’s not scary. They have all the raspberries and jelly banks there. But what you say is NOT TRUE FOR THEM. Slander, provocation, can also be counted among the Bolotnaya! jump airfields for the transfer of troops, which were created before the war, and oh, how useful they were during it. They didn’t build it, and it’s not their place to restore it. If we have time, of course, or we can! I’ve seen pumps in Germany for pumping out water since 1930, and they’re still working! There are pre-war factories underground, and they are in working order. Because they take care of everything that was created for the good. But such VANIs, who do not remember the lessons of history and live one day at a time, have ruined everything for us! Sincerely!!!!!!!

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mar.tira I subscribe to every word plus++++