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Why Ukraine is dying out

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About 70% of Ukrainians believe that the successor of Kievan Rus is Ukraine, and not Russia. That is, the “programming” of the inhabitants of Ukraine-Ukraine is going quite well.


The survey conducted by the sociological group "Rating", showedThat 68% of respondents adhere to this point of view. Total 9% believe that Russia is the successor of Kievan Rus. Another 6% believe that neither Ukraine nor Russia can claim the legacy of the ancient Russian state, and 17% could not give an answer. Most of those who called Ukraine the successor of Kievan Rus live in the west and in the center of the country (in terms of 79%). In the south of the country this version is followed by 54%, in the east - 51%.

It is noted that in ten years the number of those who consider Ukraine to be the heir of Kievan Rus has increased - in 2008, this answer was given by 54%. It is also indicated that the percentage of those who consider Russia the successor of the Old Russian state to Russia has halved - ten years ago these were 18%. The survey was conducted on 3-10 on August 2018 of the year among two thousand residents of Ukraine older than 18.

Thus, the nationalistic policy of Kiev led to a complete politicalhistorical and cultural disorientation of the population of Little Russia (Ukraine). As the generations of people who received a normal education in the USSR leave, more and more “Ukrainians” —Russians with “brainwashed”, zombified by Ukrainians (Ukrainian ideology). For them, the “Muscovites-Russians” are the enemies, occupiers and descendants of the Mongols and Finno-Ugrians, and the “Ukrainians” are the “true Slavs”, the heirs of Ancient Russia.

That is, we see a repetition of what was in the Third Reich. The technique is the same. Only in fake, farcical image. Since in Germany they really built a world empire - the Eternal Reich, with powerful industry, the military industrial complex, with the priority of the newest technology, created advanced armed forces, supported the growth of the number of German people, developed infrastructure (factories, energy, new buildings, roads, bridges, etc.) d.) In Ukraine, the opposite is true - the complete collapse and destruction of the rich Soviet inheritance. The masters of the West, who control the colonial regime in Kiev, are doing everything to destroy the southwestern part of the Russian superethnos. They deliberately destroy the Russian language and culture, history, create a fake “Ukrainian history”, distort the language and culture, which leads to spiritual and intellectual degradation of the people. They destroy and plunder the national economy - industry and rural areas, industrial, energy, transport and social infrastructure. They cut down forests, poison water, rivers. Bleed Russian with Russian, unleashed a fratricidal war in the Donbass. Turn the youth of Ukraine into "zombies", "cannon fodder", brought up in hatred and fear, aimed only at the war with Russia. Criminal revolution, the collapse of the health care system. And then it will only get worse. In particular, Ukraine is on the verge of a complete infrastructural collapse - investment after the collapse of the USSR in the energy sector, the housing and utilities system, the railway network, roads, bridges, urban planning, airports, etc., did not exist or they were minimal. Republic on the verge of complete collapse. After the collapse of the USSR, Kiev was never able to create a full-fledged development project, to take advantage of its unique position of the “bridge” between Russia and Europe. The policy of the oligarch-thieves and the Nazis accelerated the approach of disaster.

It is not surprising that once one of the most prosperous republics of the Soviet Union (Great Russia) rapidly dying out. Thus, after the collapse of the USSR, the population of Ukraine decreased from 52 to 42 million, while the death rate in the country significantly exceeds the birth rate, according to the Ukrainian TV channel TSN. “We are the first nation in the world that can disappear completely. Think about the number: in 25 years - minus 10 million Ukrainians. This is the whole of Sweden, Greece or Portugal. ” There was no such catastrophic loss of population either during the famine of 1930, or even during World War II. According to the leader, about 1,5 thousand Ukrainians die on average every day. 1 thousand - from heart attacks, more 200 - from cancer. 18 people commit suicide in Ukraine every day, 13 people die in traffic accidents. In addition, in the Donbass three Ukrainian security officials die every day. On 100 born in Ukraine, as noted in the plot, there are 140 dead. Every year, as many citizens of the country die as live in Khmelnytsky, Sumy or Chernivtsi.

At the same time, the real numbers may differ significantly - so, according to a number of experts, the population of Ukraine is only 35 million. The population census was last held 18 years ago, and the authorities are constantly putting it off. There are breakaway regions - the Crimea and the Donbass. Several million people are constantly on earnings in Europe and in Russia. Young people, seeing no prospects in Ukraine, strive to flee, to join in at least as a janitor, even as a servant in richer countries. Being actually a slave in some western country is more profitable and satisfying than a “free Ukrainian”.

Why Ukraine is dying out


The West is quite satisfied. As various liberal fascists have repeatedly noted, in Russia and Ukraine-Little Russia - an “excess population”. For servicing the colonial needs, like the "pipe", 40 million people are enough in Russia, and 20 million in Ukraine. Everything is according to the plans of Hitler and other haters of Russia and Russians. Russian superethnos, including Little Ukrainians, is dying out. A part of the Russian-Little Russians is “zombied” and is used for a fratricidal war, as “cannon fodder” in the thousand-year confrontation between Russia and the West. Part turned into slaves, the servants of the Western masters of slave owners. White slaves from Ukraine should “dilute” the flow of the Arab-African migration flow to Europe. Local oligarch thieves, the colonial administration, with the full support of the West, plunder the remaining wealth of the country, in particular, land, forest. In fact, in the Ukraine, a cultural, socio-economic genocide regime has been established, a society of extermination and self-destruction has been created. People, realizing their own uselessness and servile status (at least at the subconscious level), are fleeing or dying out — mass alcoholism, drug addiction, suicide, murder, etc. There is a release of “living space” from the Russians.

Fake culture, language and history, which impose on the inhabitants of Ukraine, helps in the creation of European slaves (slaves). This is one of the global trends - the creation of a "man of the world" ("gray race"), without cultural, linguistic, national and historical roots. The ideal slave is a consumer whose opinion is shaped by the world's leading media and information networks.

In general, the only salvation of the Ukraine is Ukraine in reunification with Russia and the overall development project. At the same time, you should not think that everything is lost or to abandon the western part of Ukraine, in particular, the ancient Russian city of Lviv. So, the German Nazis "processed" the people in just a few years (this is without mass TV and the Internet!). The majority of the population sincerely believed in the “chosenness” of the Germans, the Aryan, the Nordic race, the “invincibility”, etc. But also quickly and in Germany and Austria, denacification was carried out - a set of measures aimed at cleansing society, culture, the press, the economy, education, jurisprudence and policies of the influence of the Nazi ideology. Active Nazis were deprived of civil rights, dismissed from senior positions, war criminals were subject to criminal punishment. I.e these processes are manageable and reversible. In the same way, it is possible to carry out the denazification of Ukraine, to return it to Russianness, the general Russian faith, culture, history and language.

We must remember that The “history of Ukraine” and “Ukrainians” are a false history and an ethnic chimera. They were invented back in Poland, the Vatican, supported in Austria and Germany, and then in England and the USA (in the West) to dismember the united Russian civilization (Russia) and the Russian superethnos. In Kievan Rus, then in the Ukraine and the Ukrainian SSR, there were Russian people (Ruses). So it was a thousand years ago, in the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky and a hundred years ago. “Ukraine” and “Ukrainians” were created by decision-making in Soviet Russia, which was a huge mistake (or sabotage). Prior to this, the “Ukrainians” were a small marginal handful among the intelligentsia of Little Russia, which has practically no influence among the West Russian population.

The concept of Kievan Rus, like Moscow Russia, is an artificial concept created by historians of the Russian Empire and supported by historians of the USSR. It was created to differentiate, territorially and in time, the periods of the common history of the Russian state. The Russians never called themselves the inhabitants of “Kievan Rus” or “Ukraine”, “Muscovy”. From ancient times, they lived in Russia, the Russian land, considered themselves Russes, Russians. All historical monuments, chronicles, documents speak of the “Russian land”, “Russian princes”, “Russian law”, “Russian truth”, “Russian family”, “Russian people”. The word "Rusin" is used for an individual, in the plural - "Russian", as the noun collectively occurs the word "Russia". In the "Kievan Rus" lived Russia, Russian. That is how the inhabitants of Russia self-identified themselves a thousand years ago. They did not call themselves "Ukrainians", "Ukrainians-Rus", "Little Russians", "Eastern Slavs" or "Russians".

Nothing has changed in later times, when the Western Russian lands were included in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Russian, and Poland. The national composition of the western part of Russia has not changed. As the Rus-Russians lived there, they continued to live. Kiev and Lviv remained Russian cities. The toponym "Ukraine" and the ethnonym "Ukrainians" in the sources of ancient Russia are not! Later, the “Ukraine-outskirts” began to call the lands distant from the new political center of Russia-Russia - Moscow. For example, the Pskov "Ukrainian" or Siberian. The Poles assimilated the West Russian nobility (the clans of the Slutsk, Zaslavsky, Vishnevetsky, Chartaryi, Pronsky, Ruzhinsky princes, etc.). Russian nobility completely naturalized into the "Poles": they married Polish women, they spoke Polish, accepted Catholicism, and gave their children to Polish educational institutions. But the nobility was an insignificant part of the people, the population of Western Russia was Russian. The people retained their Russianness, Orthodox faith, language, traditions, memory. This predetermined the victory of the Russian national liberation war led by Bohdan Khmelnytsky. By the way Khmelnitsky, speaking of the war with the Poles, "wanting to eradicate the Church of God, so that the Russian name is not remembered in our land, very clearly and clearly gave an understanding of the higher meaning of the struggle, as the war of the Russian people for national independence, the preservation of Russianness. Actually, nothing has changed at the present time - once again, the struggle of the West against Russia takes on the character of a war for the preservation of Russian civilization, the Russian people, culture, language and history — Russianness.

The Russianness of Western Russia (Little Ukraine-Ukriana) was preserved until the beginning of the XX century. Only a few representatives of the Ukrainian intelligentsia, generated by the intrigues of the Polish, Roman Catholic and Austrian authorities, who fought for the dismemberment of the body of a single Russian state and people, considered themselves "Ukrainians". During World War II, the Austro-German authorities staged a genocide of the active part of the West Russian population in order to subjugate the population of the western part of Russia. But only the Revolution, the Troubles of 1917 of the year, allowed to create a “independent” Ukraine - a series of Ukrainian bantustans passed (Central Rada, Hetmanate, Directory). They could arise only because of the collapse of Russia and outside support. They were limited by time, did not have the resource to organize a broad attack on the Russian language, culture and history, common to all Russians, no matter where they lived - in the Kyiv region, Ryazan or Siberia. The case was mainly limited to the adoption of high-profile declarations, and the comedic change of signs on shops and government institutions. To this was added the expulsion from the work of employees who did not own the Ukrainian (South Russian dialect, deliberately distorted by Polonism and new words).

The case moved under the Bolsheviks, when the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR) and the Ukrainian people were created in a directive way. The case of Ukrainization was put on a state basis. Involved all structures, from education to legislative and punitive. Here, not only was the documentation, signboards and newspapers translated into the newsprint, but it was even forbidden to speak Russian in institutions. The wild binge of Russophobia lasted for more than ten years, from the middle of the 1920-s to the critical 1937 year, when the most rabid Ukrainianatry fanatics themselves found themselves in the ranks of the "enemies of the people" (deservedly) and went to the camps in thousands. Under Stalin, officially Ukrainization was not banned, but it ceased to be a priority, stalled.

During the Great War, when Ukraine was occupied by the Nazis, active Ukrainization was continued. In Berlin, great attention was paid to the dismemberment and destruction of Russia and the Russian people, and in this case the Ukrainian question was the most important. He allowed tens of millions of people to be separated from the Russian super-ethnos. Hitler did not ask himself a question: why the overwhelming majority of the “Ukrainians” do not own Ukrainian. One thing was important to him: at any cost, reduce the number of the Russian people in order to maximally weaken their resistance to the occupation regime. This is the age-old strategy of all the enemies of Russia and the Russian people. Ukrainization is a great form of ethnic genocide, the more “Ukrainians”, the less Russian.

However, the plans of Hitler and his Ukrainian friends were not implemented. The Red Army put an end to the dreams of creating a separatist Ukrainian Bantustan under the protectorate of the Eternal Reich. Another attempt at Ukrainization was made during Khrushchev's “Shifting-1”, but under Brezhnev the case was allowed to run free. No plans were made to expand the use of the Ukrainian Newspeak, and without state support, Ukrainians began to die off naturally. Only the collapse of the USSR and the creation of an “independent” Ukraine allowed the launch of a new large-scale campaign to Ukrainize Western Russia-Russia.

The results are sad: the colonial policy in all its glory; deindustrialization; spiritual, cultural, and intellectual degradation; real psychocrash; fratricidal war; the creation of a NATO bridgehead for further "onslaught to the East" using the Ukrainian army as "cannon fodder"; extinction of the western part of the Russian superethnos.
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      1. avia12005
        avia12005 24 August 2018 09: 14
        +4
        Dear, I with you do not pass pigs. And I will not poke. To get started, learn to be minimally polite. And now essentially. 1. Russian Ukraine thrown. 2. Who is guilty? If Moscow in 1941 would not organize the guerrilla movement in the occupied territories, would it have acquired such a scale? Learn the story, Know the GenAFund.
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        2. 210ox
          210ox 24 August 2018 09: 59
          +6
          Yuri, I understand you perfectly. But it was not the Russian people who left the Russians to the mercy of the territory. And the rulers. Yes, there is support in the humanitarian, economic and military fields. And this applies only to a small part of the Russian population (LDNR). The rest of the south -The tail is actually thrown. The tragedy in Odessa is an example. It was necessary to solve this issue in the spring four years ago. Our country will not play the game for a long time for economic reasons.
          1. avia12005
            avia12005 24 August 2018 10: 08
            +6
            Essentially true, and I agree. But ... This abandoned Southeast perceives what is happening as a betrayal on the part of the Russians, but living in Russia. And Ukraine every year more and more turns into a country with a population ideologically motivated to fight Russia. In this sense, the reduction of its population only helps to form an enemy there for Russia. And what will future generations do with this threat? This is just a complete impasse in Moscow’s Ukrainian policy.
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        4. konstantin68
          konstantin68 27 August 2018 07: 17
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          Quote: avia12005
          Russian Ukraine abandoned.

          Russians live not only in Ukraine. How about the Baltic states?
          What do you think the Russian Federation will order to do? (I do not seriously consider options like "seize, attach, release, issue passports)
    2. Nikolai
      Nikolai 24 August 2018 09: 58
      -1
      the heiress of Kievan Rus is Ukraine
      No, it's just the children of Lieutenant Schmidt ... and everything becomes clear ...
  2. Dart2027
    Dart2027 24 August 2018 05: 33
    +6
    The case moved under the Bolsheviks when they created the directive “Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic” (USSR) and the “Ukrainian people”. The case of Ukrainization was put on a state basis. All structures were involved, from educational to legislative and punitive.
    Now convinced communists will be indignant and shout that everything is wrong.
  3. fa2998
    fa2998 24 August 2018 05: 43
    +19
    We could have funded Ukraine if we had order in this area! But Russia is dying too! Reducing the birth rate (despite all sorts of maternal capital), people are leaving. From a sharp fall, Russia saves that the North Caucasus republics give birth well (probably more money is invested there than in other regions). Well, our gypsies give birth almost every year. I not a nationalist, but Russia in 50 years will noticeably change the national composition.
    And hairpins addressed to the Ukrainian oligarchs who sell the country's wealth can be safely forwarded to ours! . hi
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 24 August 2018 06: 26
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      Why are you raising sedition ???? ... why don’t you watch kissel-TV and nightingale shows ????
      I’m told you that everything is fine in Russia ... it means beautiful ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 August 2018 09: 08
        +9
        Quote: kepmor
        .you don’t watch kissel TV and nightingale shows ????
        I’m told you that everything is fine in Russia ... it means beautiful ...

        No, we watch ukrkisel-TV, ganapol-TV, gardon-TV ... and according to them in Ukraine EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
      2. NG inform
        NG inform 26 August 2018 03: 52
        -1
        As a father of 6 children I’ll say that the main problem is that the majority of the population, in particular all those who yell, that the government somehow does not help, that someone needs to ensure something for them, that kissel-TV is something tells there.
    2. raw174
      raw174 24 August 2018 07: 17
      +6
      Quote: fa2998
      A sharp fall in Russia saves that the North Caucasian republics give birth well (probably more money is invested there than in other regions).

      Fertility depends on the welfare of the people directly, the lower (worse) the welfare, the higher the birth rate, the poorer the population, the more children and vice versa, the higher the welfare, the fewer children and not otherwise.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 24 August 2018 23: 29
      +2
      See the statistics. Among the North Caucasian peoples, fertility is also declining. This is especially noticeable among the Ossetians and the Adyghe (Circassian) peoples. The birth rate is still high among the Vainakhs (Chechens and Ingush) and Dagestanis. Gypsies, whatever their birth rate, do not do weather.
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 25 August 2018 03: 15
      +4
      Quote: fa2998
      .From a sharp fall, Russia saves that the North Caucasian republics give birth well (probably more money is invested there than in other regions)

      Yes, the same poor population as in other regions and work in megacities. It's just that there is a more religious and conservative population. My acquaintances are Russian families in which only a husband earns 100 thousand and have their own apartment without loans for cars and housing, they only give birth to ONE and to the question of not 2 or 3, oh you know how difficult it is to maintain, how expensive it is, etc. And in these families the wife also works, who brings another 50 thousand. HERE IS ALREADY IN THE BRAIN, and not in money.
      And familiar Muslim believers, with a salary 2-3 times lower, give birth to 2 of them will be a priori, it’s simply not perceived as just ONE ?? And those who have an income of about 100 must have 3-4.
      Since they do not go to Adidas’s 3-year-old branded shoes for 5 and much more unnecessarily expensive. Of course, if you plan such expenses for a child, 1 million will not save you.

      And maternal capital is good help. Those who give birth to the first and second are an incentive and a definite support, many of whom it helped.
      Plus, there’s a second hitch, it’s infertility, which has become a lot in recent times and here the state is not really sitting idly by, IVF programs i.e. artificial insemination is being funded more and more every year and there is also a lot of help for young people.
      But the state does nothing in terms of ideology, so that the percentage of these Oy how difficult it is to keep a child for 100 thousand decreases, so that less than one gives birth to a second, I’m not a person, etc.
      The main problem is in the brain. Having an apartment in a metropolis can safely contain 2, but there are a lot of those who give birth to just one and that’s all.
      1. NG inform
        NG inform 26 August 2018 03: 54
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        Having an apartment in a metropolis, even odnushka, it’s easy to even contain 4. In one room (not an apartment), this is more complicated - but also possible. 7 people (in a healthy family, a grandmother is obliged to help with her grandchildren) there, in fact, they only meet to sleep.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 27 August 2018 13: 38
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          Neither grandparents are obliged.
          1. NG inform
            NG inform 27 August 2018 23: 18
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            In degenerative families falling under infantilization - yes. In healthy - are required.
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 29 August 2018 13: 20
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              Quote: NG inform
              In degenerative families falling under infantilization - yes. In healthy - are required

              Well, this is not such an obligation; it is rather a tradition soaked with mother’s milk for the Russian people.
              1. NG inform
                NG inform 30 August 2018 21: 46
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                This is literally a duty, grandmothers have evolutionarily appeared just for this.
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 29 August 2018 13: 23
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              Quote: NG inform
              In degenerative families falling under infantilization - yes. In healthy - are required.

              But the majority thinks differently. For me, it is wild for a Muslim to see that parents in old age can live separately, and children just visit. But in Russia it’s fuuu an adult, but you live with your parents.
              1. NG inform
                NG inform 30 August 2018 21: 46
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                This majority will die out soon enough.
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 29 August 2018 13: 18
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        Quote: Yeraz
        The main problem is in the brain. Having an apartment in a metropolis can safely contain 2, but there are a lot of those who give birth to just one and that’s all.
        Absolutely 100% true. I myself live in a metropolis and see all this. Those who have money are eager to invest in a child a lot (all kinds of language courses, section circles). Often children go abroad with their parents. All this is a full-fledged upbringing of people who care about their child much more than at the level of full, healthy, well-dressed, so everything is fine. In this situation, the salary of 100 thousand will not be big. And who are our visitors in Russia in megacities? The vast majority of all kinds of auxiliary workers who at least sometimes (sometimes) make good money but have no time or energy for children. and there is a tradition of large families. here they give birth 2-3 courageously. But who will come from these children? The same handymen? In general, something like this (I certainly say only visiting Muslims in the most general way), among them, of course, there are many very wealthy and educated people who have done their business in Russia and also striving to give their children maximum benefits in life.
  4. Naval
    Naval 24 August 2018 05: 50
    +8
    Firstly, the Galicians are so different from the rest of the country's population 404, mentality, religion, lifestyle, that it is easier to Ethiopians tame than these banderofilov. And secondly, the USSR collapsed due to an arms race and betrayal of the elites, Russia can repeat this if it tries to put on its neck again 45 million people, 75% of whom profess zoological Russophobia. Even Europe will not drag such a suitcase without a handle, these are not the Baltic states, of whom 3 million, they can be kept as a home zoo for entertainment. Therefore, they are not burning to accept the ruin in the EU.
    We would digest Crimea, and then we can bite off another piece. To paraphrase a proverb, if you say the word brother 1000 times, it’s not a fact that you should not remove it with a knife in the back. Therefore, the most reasonable is to divide the territory.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 24 August 2018 06: 41
      +3
      Quote: Naval
      Firstly, the Galicians are so different from the rest of the population of the country 404, mentality, religion, lifestyle that it is easier to Ethiopians tame than these banderofilov.

      The most amazing thing is that the idea of ​​independence was able to spread from Galicia throughout Urkaine and find a response not only among the so-called "Urkainites", but also among the ethnic Russians living there, who today no less fiercely support the attacks of the Urkaini Natsiks against Russia and are fighting against the LDNR. It would seem that after the Second World War the people of Urkaina should have received a powerful vaccination against the virus of Bandera and Independence, but no ... as soon as the opportunity arose to shed fraternal blood, they immediately took advantage of this opportunity and fought against Russia in Chechnya. It was then, almost a quarter of a century ago, after decades of peaceful coexistence in the USSR with the ideology of brotherhood and internationalism! What can we say about the present day, when the same quarter of a century was spent on nurturing a generation of Russophobic Urkains?
      Quote: Naval
      We would digest Crimea, and then we can bite off another piece. To paraphrase a proverb, if you say the word brother 1000 times, it’s not a fact that you should not remove it with a knife in the back. Therefore, the most reasonable is to divide the territory.

      This is true. We do not need to prove and impose our brotherhood. Do not feed the horse. Those who want to be with Russia will be. Whoever doesn’t want is a good riddance to the tablecloth that would hang between Europe and Russia like lepers, since they will not be needed anywhere.
      1. raw174
        raw174 24 August 2018 07: 21
        +3
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        It was then, almost a quarter century ago, after decades of peaceful communal living in the USSR with the ideology of brotherhood and internationalism!

        A friend of mine served in western Ukraine in the 70s, an officer of the USSR Armed Forces, says there they hated the Russians fiercely and then too, often the soldiers did not return from the AWOL, then they were found stabbed in gullies and swamps.
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 24 August 2018 07: 23
        +9
        In the USSR, Ukrainian nationalism was encouraged throughout history. When the Ukrainian SSR was created, the Russians living in the lands of Novorossiya and Donbass, given to Ukraine, began to be massively recorded as Ukrainians, and they also began to pursue an aggressive policy of Ukrainization. This process subsided from the mid-30s, but again began actively with the advent of Khrushchev, a Ukrainian by nationality. The process of Ukrainization and fostering of Ukrainian nationalism continued under Brezhnev, also a Ukrainian by nationality. Well, with the advent of Gorbach, in general, everything rolled into the abyss.
        1. beeper
          beeper 24 August 2018 10: 36
          +3
          hi Dear Kot Kuzya, it was during Persek Shcherbytsky that the Ukrainian authorities tried to suppress and not awaken the people's memories of the murderous "exploits" of Bandera, and even Belarusians were asked not to remember who brutally destroyed the inhabitants of Khatyn and hundreds of other Belarusian villages!
          And "Daragoy Leonid Ilyich" was a Moldovan, what kind of "Ukrainian" is he ?! As far as I know, in the questionnaires of different years, this "outstanding figure of the international communist movement" was written opportunistically, like "Comrade Khrushchev (what was his real name?)". smile
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 25 August 2018 00: 00
            +1
            Leonid Ilyich had nothing to do with Moldova and the Moldavians before he became First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Moldova in the early 50s. He is Russian, possibly with a Ukrainian touch. It seems to be nice to speak poisk.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 24 August 2018 23: 55
          -1
          This is what side did the native of Kursk Kalinovka Khrushchev relate to the Ukrainians ?. It is a completely Russian settlement. Another thing is that his work biography, and then his party career, is largely associated with the Ukrainian SSR
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 25 August 2018 02: 34
            +3
            And since when in the RSFSR, and in particular in the Kursk region, Ukrainians can not be born? Or do you think that if a Ukrainian moves to Russia, he becomes Russian, and vice versa? Just drop dead logic! It was just like you, in the 20s, under forced Ukrainization, who forcibly enlisted the Russians of Novorossiya and Donbass into Ukrainians, following the primitive logic that if a person lives in the Ukrainian SSR, then he is Ukrainian.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 August 2018 13: 49
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              In the Khomutovsky district of the Kursk region, and in Kalinovka in particular, the population is almost one hundred percent Great Russian. I was there, a typical Russian settlement, there is nothing Ukrainian there. I think that in 1894 (the year of Khrushchev's birth) the situation was not much different from the present one. And the name "Khrushchev" is clearly not a Little Russian. And the Ukrainian language, with the exception of jokes, jokes, Khrushchev did not speak. His self-consciousness was Russian. As for Donbass, even in the 20s and 30s, at the height of Ukrainization, half of the population considered themselves Russians. The same applies to Dnepropetrovsk with its Russian and Jewish population. And Lugansk, quite officially by the authorities of the Ukrainian SSR in the 30s, was considered an ethnically Russian city, and Ukrainization was not particularly extended to it. At
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 27 August 2018 14: 02
              +1
              You know, many people who have moved from Ukraine to Russia actually become Russians, Great Russians in consciousness. In some cases, due to the fact that their grandparents without their consent in the 20-30s. recorded as Ukrainians. That is, they were never "real" Ukrainians. Now, albeit on a smaller scale, there is also a sad, in my opinion, tendency when Russians born in the RSFSR or the Russian Federation and moved to Ukraine defiantly call themselves Ukrainians.
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 24 August 2018 09: 28
        +6
        You're right! BUT! The trouble is that propaganda in the USSR was incompetent and for a long time they were driving on what was laid in the time of I.V. Stalin, and they themselves "dismissed the legs." Further, Kravchuk was responsible for propaganda for a long time when he was in the Ukrainian SSR, and as a child, it turns out, he served the Bandera people! and how not to take advantage of "Ukraine feeds everyone in the USSR", so how can we heal ourselves! And again, Western songs, American films and so on, so on, did their job. Shl, remember at least their cartoons "Tom and Jerry" - yes, they brought up cruelty in children, the desire to make meanness, like a "hero". But with what pleasure their children and parents watched.
      4. naidas
        naidas 26 August 2018 12: 12
        +1
        Each nation is worth something if it (the nation) is able to defend itself. Well, ethnic Russians in Ukraine do not want to be Russian and there is nothing to be done about it. Forcibly, you won’t be in the hands of the flag, let them be Ukrainians in life.
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    3. siemens7774
      siemens7774 24 August 2018 17: 04
      0
      Naval, just speak in my words. So it is necessary to do. !! For me, in general, it is necessary to attach a sweep as in Germany after the Second World War of Ukrainians.
    4. milton
      milton 29 August 2018 18: 22
      0
      I agree with you on something. Russia will not pull the recovery of the Ukrainian economy as a whole, the navel will unleash, mindful of the Crimea. But the division of this state is still quite possible for me, especially since apart from us, a couple of countries are interested in such a solution to the problem. Anticipating the howls of the pot (I do not want to offend normal Ukrainians), your so-called the country lives on subsidies from outside and without them it will bend, all the more so since it will soon repay debts. No.
  5. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 24 August 2018 06: 30
    -4
    Again, they wrote such nonsense that I almost broke the monitor. Ukrainians are the polonized and Russified descendants of the Khazars. In 882, the Russian prince Oleg captured the western lands of the Khazar Kaganate, and transferred the capital of Russia from Novgorod to Kiev. Oleg exterminated the Khazar nobility and imposed a heavy tribute on the local population, in addition to this, banned the practice of Judaism. And the Khazars, of course, perceived the Russians as occupiers and began to hate them. The origins of animal hatred of Ukrainians towards Russians should be sought in distant, hoary antiquity. If you don’t know history, then this irrational, animal hatred of Ukrainians towards Russians is incomprehensible. Ukrainians hate Russians more than Poles, as Poles became invaders much later than Russians.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 24 August 2018 06: 39
      +4
      so what is it, Mikhalych ... Okraintsy and Jews understand the blood brothers ...
      bullshit, like the newfangled trend of our media ... the whole world of poop, we are alone in white tailcoats ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 24 August 2018 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: kepmor
        so what is it, Mikhalych ... Okraintsy and Jews understand the blood brothers ...

        Didn’t you know? belay Then look laughing

        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 24 August 2018 11: 03
          +3
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          In 882, the Russian prince Oleg captured the western lands of the Khazar Kaganate, and transferred the capital of Russia from Novgorod to Kiev.
          True in essence, but not in essence. Askold and Dir, the boyars of the Russian prince Rurik, conquered Kiev from the Khazar Khaganate (then the capital of Russia was Novgorod, and the capital of Russia was transferred to Kiev much later). PSRL, vol.2, ed.2, St. Petersburg, 1908, p. 12:
          In Ukraine, they don’t know this now, because young people scrape their brains cleanly, and a really educated population, being in demand, simply fell out of this stinking fascist menagerie. The masters of present-day Ukraine do not need smart and educated (these are dangerous), they need controlled stubborn working cattle.
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 24 August 2018 07: 39
        +5
        Yes it is. Ukrainians are Jews, and there are a lot of Jews among Ukrainians. Take, for example, the modern government of Ukraine - there are completely all Jews, including the president and prime minister. And the mentality of the Ukrainians is very similar to the mentality of the Jews, it is not for nothing that there are such sayings as "a crest was born, a Jew began to cry," or "where the crest passed, a Jew has nothing to do there," or "I will not eat, so I will bite", etc.
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 August 2018 09: 28
          -2
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          there are all Jews, including the president and the prime minister.

          Litter, but you poorly know some questions of blood. Jews have nationality determined by mother, and since Petr Alekseyevich’s mother is half Ukrainian, and half Moldavian, then decide for yourself who he is
          1. beeper
            beeper 24 August 2018 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            there are all Jews, including the president and the prime minister.

            Litter, but you poorly know some questions of blood. Jews have nationality determined by mother, and since Petr Alekseyevich’s mother is half Ukrainian, and half Moldavian, then decide for yourself who he is

            hi Inspired by your commentary, dear Svp67 .... I will start with the "incident" - they said that Comrade Stalin summoned the aircraft designer Yakovlev and set him the task of creating a new high-speed fighter from scratch and launching mass production in a year. To which comrade Yakovlev supposedly replied that even the Americans spend at least five years on such a project.
            And Stalin, quietly, with a background, asks: "Tovshch Yakovlev, are you really an Amerykan?! ..." wink
            So we, comrade Svp67, are we Jews, to measure in Hebrew ?! I don’t know about you, but I was born and raised in the MULTINATIONAL South Ukrainian city in which the Jewish population, with one or another share of blood, amounted to about a third. There were approximately half of the students in my Jewish high school, and more than half among teachers. We all, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Galicians and Poles, Jews, Greeks, Romanians, Moldavians, Serbs, Germans ... grew up, played and studied together like brothers and sisters, without ethnic hatred. Maybe that’s why, it’s enough for me to look at a person and with approximately 80% probability I see what kind of blood he is from, where, what kind of tribe, he and his parents (who he was and who he will be, on which his heart will calm down ... smile ), and I don't need his passport for that. So with the "pastry chef", the prevailing external features, not only Semitic, are visible (and not to me alone) at once, but what was written there in the Soviet passport in the column nationality, what and what "half-breed" his mother and father, why they wrote about their nationalities, that's the tenth thing! wink
            Many of my classmates under the age of 16 were written by Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians (apparently in memory of the Jewish pogroms and the Hitler-Bandera genocide ?!), but receiving a Soviet passport under "developed socialism" and guaranteed absence of genocide on a national basis (collapse of the Union and the impending Bandera ethnogenocide then, under the "stagnant" Brezhnev, and in a nightmare we could not have dreamed of! Yes ) many of them even changed children's surnames to adult Jewish ones and were accordingly recorded by nationality.
            Almost all of them then left the becoming dysfunctional Ukraine, after the clearly marked "Nezalezhnitsa" devastation, the marginalization of "Ukrainian life" and the cultivation of cave xenophobia in the "marmyzi" of Zapadensky Banderism by the nuVorish comrades!
            The current "w / Banderites (by no means all of them wore a brown T-shirt with this inscription on the background of the minor, but their nationality and Bandera essence is known to every Ukrainian resident!)" - xenophobes, under the leadership of American special services and the support of "universal" government and disinformation structures that turned the pro-American "Euromaidan" in Ukraine and completely occupied the "helm of the authorities" in the administration of "Ukraine", with their anti-popular course of foreign and domestic policy, as well as the obvious support for them by Israel (single, inconsequential, as if "condemning Banderism", statements individual Israeli top functionaries "celebrating" in Babi Yar are not counted!), pursuing their own goals, of course, cause an increase in anti-Semitic sentiments among the impoverished multinational population of the Washington colony, despite the "w / Bandera" and "cynical Bandera" "active Russophobic" ukropropaganda "to demonize fraternal Russia and all Soviet of the past, in which the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic was one of the most flourishing and developing constituent parts of the USSR, and with its treacherous collapse (before the start of the "independent" deriban) had the economy of the top ten most developed countries in Europe! Yes
            In which, "Svidomo" nouveau riches plundered and forever vied from "dozens of economies of European countries", now humiliatedly, in a beggarly way, is pinched "to be associated" - even with a scarecrow, at least with a ryadnynka beating the dvary ?!
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 August 2018 13: 44
              +2
              Quote: pishchak
              So we, comrade Svp67, are we Jews, to measure in Hebrew ?!

              I can answer for myself - no, I'm not a Jew. But justice required clarification.
              Quote: pishchak
              I don’t know about you, but I was born and raised in the MULTINATIONAL South Ukrainian city

              I also grew up in the MULTINATIONAL, but then RUSSIAN city of the USSR.
              Quote: pishchak
              So with the "pastry chef", the prevailing external features, not only Semitic, are visible

              Sorry, but this conclusion is NOT TRUE. It is enough to look at the portrait of the great RUSSIAN poet Pushkin, he has the external features of any nation, but not Russian, but he is RUSSIAN. So, let's not put ourselves on such a "slippery slope" of nationalism.
              Quote: pishchak
              as is their explicit support for Israel

              This is generally a separate issue. I agree that Israel is far from being such a peaceful and neutral state on the issue of Ukraine, as it may seem to someone.
              1. beeper
                beeper 24 August 2018 15: 54
                0
                hi To yours, Svp67, the dedicated "Russian" accentuation of the "city in the Ukrainian SSR" (I see that you have already developed an "allergy" to the "Ukrainian"))): and THEN and now the "South Ukrainian city" is the traditional designation of the area in (o) the marginal part of Great Russia, because there were others, for example, the Far Eastern, Ural "y (o) krains", forgotten already and in no way associated with the Russophobic "Austro-Polish project", briskly picked up and absurdly "developed" mega-foul-eyed "Bolshevik-internationalists".
                Everyone in Eastern Ukraine spoke mainly Russian, and even now we also speak it, now also "into the bite" of the Russophobic invaders Banderva and their local lackeys. And the more the Americans prohibit the Russian speech, the more the Resistance will be, and even the cultivated Young Romancers will not help, since the people associate the former Progress, Prosperity and Peace with the Russian language, and the current Decline, Collapse, Poverty and Civil War!
                Regarding the "share of blood" - the "slippery slope of nationalism", you were the first to set foot, suggesting that you "decide for yourself" who is the PAP by nationality ?! Yes
                My conclusion is VEREN, genetic national traits in appearance are present, both Jewish-Romanian in the "pastry chef" and Abyssinian in the Poet, which is, that is, there is nothing to argue about! wink
                Another thing is that Alexander Sergeevich felt like a RUSSIAN man and was written like that in his passport (or what were those Russian road papers called ?!), and PAP feels like a "cynical Bandera" "(I remember especially well his cynical" mirkuvalki "about the children of Donbass ...), and by whom he was written and written in passports, what and how many passports he has, I do not know, there are all kinds of things.
                In matters of the current "Ukraine" Israel is completely on the side of the pro-American Bandera regime and from the first years of "independence" pursued its own goals and the world's largest synagogue, in Dnepropetrovsk, was not just built like that! It's just that Crimea, which has flown away from the "zone of influence", now has to deal with the more independent Russian authorities, but everything is "can be solved" ?! IMHO
                Among the "Ukrainian" extremists and their helmsmen, as well as in the "Maidan authorities", there is simply some kind of general dominance of Jewish people, both "full-blooded" and "half-blood" with "Quarterons" who have completely forgotten the "voice of blood" ! request They act in concert with the descendants of the Bandera murderers of their grandparents, continuing the Hitlerite "cause" negative in Washington format! request
                It is not for nothing that the "petty-bourgeois secret police" of the "large-bourgeois" nouveau riches, the ukronazist Banderist "infantry", to please their Semitic "brigadiers" and sponsors, in their murderous chants, whom "to knives!" removed the anti-Semitic part, making them 100% Russophobic!
                1. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 25 August 2018 00: 05
                  0
                  Pushkin was a Russian by blood, and not just by self-consciousness. What part of his blood was there either Negro, or Abyssinian, or Falash?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 25 August 2018 00: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    abyssinian

                    Ethiop, in a word.
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 27 August 2018 13: 51
                      +1
                      He was a Russian man, with one sixteenth of African blood.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 24 August 2018 09: 32
        +1
        Quote: kepmor
        bullshit, like the newfangled trend of our media ...

        Well, nonsense is not nonsense, but "people hawala" and fiercely "plus". Take the history books, see at least the boundaries of the kaganate-no-no-no .... Turn on the brains? Why ?! plyusische ", hoh.ly-Jews, not-people, here they are! Uraaaa !!
    2. Antares
      Antares 24 August 2018 08: 54
      +6
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Ukrainians hate Russians more than Poles, as Poles became invaders much later than Russians.

      wow ... and when it is necessary to "hate the Russians more than the Poles" if I don’t hate the Poles?
    3. siemens7774
      siemens7774 24 August 2018 17: 14
      -2
      The cat Kuzya, in general, Kiev under the Khazars was called Sambat. And they were the same Slavs, only they professed 40% Judaism and 60% idolatry. The Byzantine and Scandinavian chronicles could not then hang noodles like the current "Ukrainian"
    4. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 25 August 2018 20: 38
      -2
      It's a pity! It is unfortunate that you still did not break the monitor! What a loss would be in VO! We would cry with happiness without your comments ... Here I am, the son of a Russian and a Ukrainian, it turns out I have Jewish roots! Tel Aviv! Wait for me!!!!
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    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 August 2018 00: 08
      +2
      Why 120 million? There are 146 million of us. It is not very good not to know the population of your country.
  7. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 24 August 2018 07: 29
    +4
    The author writes nonsense. 95% of the population of Ukraine are now busy with survival and they simply have no time to think about who the heir to Kievan Rus is.
    1. beeper
      beeper 24 August 2018 13: 06
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The author writes nonsense. 95% of the population of Ukraine are now busy with survival and they simply have no time to think about who the heir to Kievan Rus is.

      hi 100500! I got the same thought after reading the very first lines of the Article, Comrade Terminter! good
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  8. rum
    rum 24 August 2018 08: 02
    +6
    I wrote earlier that Ukrainians will never be * brothers * ... Their mentality is meanness and betrayal ...
    And I'm glad that this country and this nation will soon disintegrate !!! But, the Russians, refuse to take them to the Russian Federation ... Even in the LPR and DPR, the majority of residents have a Ukrainian mentality ...
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 25 August 2018 20: 05
      0
      Quote: Rum
      Their mentality is meanness and betrayal ...

      Meanness is to write such comments.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 25 August 2018 20: 42
      -1
      Such strokes of the pen sent Tatars from the Crimea, Ukrainians from the western regions, Germans to Kazakhstan, Don Cossacks to Siberia. You go the right way ... However, no. You go. On you with such a citizen do not want to talk ....
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 August 2018 08: 05
    +3
    They are not the first, they are not the last. Remember the Turkish Janissaries who were brought up from Slavic boys captured by the Turks during raids. But what is forgivable to children who, through no fault of their own, have become enemies of their people, are unforgivable to adults who have drawn them into this matter. Therefore, the punishment for betrayal should be only one - the gallows.
  10. nikvic46
    nikvic46 24 August 2018 08: 18
    +7
    I don’t like writing about our neighbor. But the recently approved by the head of Ukraine gesture with his right hand makes
    alert. Maybe in the West do not know about this wave with his right hand? Well no. After all, in the recent past
    a number of football players were punished, who addressed the stands in such a gesture. And the head of Ukraine addresses
    to the whole country.
    1. beeper
      beeper 24 August 2018 13: 19
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      I don’t like writing about our neighbor. But the recently approved by the head of Ukraine gesture with his right hand makes
      alert. Maybe in the West do not know about this wave with his right hand? Well no. After all, in the recent past
      a number of football players were punished, who addressed the stands in such a gesture. And the head of Ukraine addresses
      to the whole country.

      hi Western revanchists, like their lackeys from the aborigines, are well aware of all these "gestures" and "punish them" for them only "for the sake of form", hypocrisy! After all, Hitler's "common Europeans" and Bandeva were at the same time, therefore our Victory Day is hateful for them and a reason for regret that "Drang nach Osten" and their next attempt to "pan" over us then failed.
  11. midshipman
    midshipman 24 August 2018 08: 37
    +8
    Dear Alexander, I (6 GU MRP USSR) in Ukraine had 19 enterprises subordinate to me. At the same time, enterprises were built and brought to the design capacity in Kiev, Khmelnitsky, Lvov, Odessa. They are currently not working. Thank God I did not authorize the transfer to them for the production and modernization of the neck system. I was familiar with the president of this country Kui. My Minister once called him an idiot (he was the secretary of the party committee) of one enterprise. It was he who published the book "Ukraine is not Russia". So now they slurp what they wanted. And take all the enterprises in the former 9 ministries of the USSR defense industry complex. Where are the specialists who worked for them? Why are they silent. Finally, yesterday the Nikolaev shipyard became bankrupt.
  12. Antares
    Antares 24 August 2018 08: 51
    +3
    Find out the author by the first sentence.
    I would like to object to him about the processes in the global world and point out the role of education for women and their place and the "aging of nations" ... but this is Samsonov ... he has super-Russians and the main thing is that everything is fine in Russia, but everything is bad in Ukraine ... Well, okay.
    If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented ...
    successful country for the Russian Federation.
  13. svp67
    svp67 24 August 2018 09: 05
    +1
    Why Ukraine is dying out
    She does not die out, but becomes depopulated
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 24 August 2018 09: 08
    +1
    Quote: raw174
    Quote: fa2998
    A sharp fall in Russia saves that the North Caucasian republics give birth well (probably more money is invested there than in other regions).

    Fertility depends on the welfare of the people directly, the lower (worse) the welfare, the higher the birth rate, the poorer the population, the more children and vice versa, the higher the welfare, the fewer children and not otherwise.

    GO TO THE STONE AGE! I will not refer to statistics, but in my family the birth of 3 children will not be exact, we’ll not even put two on our feet. We won’t breed poverty! That is, need limits birth rates. hi
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 24 August 2018 09: 09
    -1
    It will fall apart into specifics anyway .... in short, Walk the Field in an nth amount.
    Ancestors were too smart .... the descendants added their own and it turned out .... it is not clear yet!
  16. BAI
    BAI 24 August 2018 09: 10
    +2
    What nonsense. Ukraine will outlive us all. And at the expense of the house in the photo - type in the search engine "ruins in Russia" and look at the pictures. I will not even quote.
    1. rum
      rum 24 August 2018 10: 01
      +2
      And before the war I traveled from a country * that will outlive you all * so what? One is a picture, the other is to see with your own eyes ... Excuse me, are you a senior lieutenant ensign by chance not a Ukrainian living in Russia?
      1. BAI
        BAI 24 August 2018 12: 56
        -2
        The topic of routes - where, what can be seen already discussed earlier, from another author. I do not see the point in repeating.
        Everyone will always find what he needs (like).
  17. parusnik
    parusnik 24 August 2018 11: 02
    +3
    The article discusses the age-old question "Who is to blame?" ... The guilty ones were identified and brought to clean water .. smile The question "What to do?" is not put .. Ukraine and other "sisters" have abandoned their Soviet past, good and bad ... By reducing this period into one term "Russian-Soviet occupation", somewhere in a harsh form, somewhere in a softer one .. And this did not lead to anything good ... In the Russian Federation, the same process of abandoning the Soviet past and replacing it with "how delicious evenings in Russia are" is going on ... But we do not think from other people's mistakes ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 August 2018 18: 42
      +1
      What to do?
      Quote: parusnik
      ..... we don’t think about the mistakes of others ...

      Good afternoon, Alexey! Why learn from other people's mistakes? In my opinion, so many of our own have already been made - that conclusions can be drawn. And after the conclusions, proceed to real actions. Sometimes it seems ---- just about, now, they will amaze Solzhenitsin's school curriculum, they will return "The Story of a Real Man" .... They will return the names of the streets ..... Does not happen. A monument to Danton in the center of Paris ----- and nothing, no one overthrows.
  18. dgonni
    dgonni 25 August 2018 19: 34
    +1
    Give me the same as the author -> author -> author smoked! wink
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok 25 August 2018 20: 02
    +1
    About 70% of Ukrainians believe that the successor of Kievan Rus is Ukraine, and not Russia. That is, the “programming” of the inhabitants of Ukraine-Ukraine is going quite well.

    You can fight as much as you like in hysteria on the VO or 1 Channel, but the story goes on.
    mortality in the country significantly exceeds the birth rate, according to the plot of the Ukrainian TV channel TSN

    As in other matters, both in Russia and in Germany. What is the article about? The fact that a cow died from a neighbor? This is a joy of course.
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  20. Radical
    Radical 25 August 2018 23: 47
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Yuri, I understand you perfectly. But it was not the Russian people who left the Russians to the mercy of the territory. And the rulers. Yes, there is support in the humanitarian, economic and military fields. And this applies only to a small part of the Russian population (LDNR). The rest of the south -The tail is actually thrown. The tragedy in Odessa is an example. It was necessary to solve this issue in the spring four years ago. Our country will not play the game for a long time for economic reasons.

    The country will pull - for the first time or what? The current satraps will not pull, that’s the worst thing ... sad
  21. bistrov.
    bistrov. 26 August 2018 10: 31
    +1
    On the question of the "Russianness" of today's population of "Ukraine": yes, during the years of Soviet power, in order to transfer Russian resources, a part of the Russian ethnos migrated to the territory of the Ukrainian SSR, which is why by 1991 12 million ethnic Russians were in "Ukraine".
    As for the indigenous population of "Ukraine", their real nationality is difficult to determine, there is a huge share of foreign blood in their blood, since the 4th-6th centuries, during the so-called. of the "great migration of peoples", because this path passed precisely through the territory of today's "independent". Naturally, this was the migration of the indigenous Russian population, which was pushed to the North (Krasnaya Rus had a different fate), and incest, and subsequently the presence of the Khazar Kaganate, as well as the Polovtsian khans, who constantly raided Russia, did not add purity of blood to the "Ukrainians". But the real defeat of the Russian population of "Ukraine" took place during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, when the local Russian population was practically cut out, if they did not have time to escape to the North, all the cities were literally empty, then lay in ruins, including Kiev, which was completely destroyed and continued to be a small provincial town right up to the end of the 17th century, when the Russian tsars did not buy it from the Poles, and its population was destroyed and scattered. The territory of "Ukraine" itself was included in the "Golden Horde" and was inhabited by the Tatar-Mongols and their allies, and the city of Kiev, at one time, was founded by the Khazars, which were, presumably, Kiy, Schek and Khoriv, ​​one of the parts of Kiev is still called "Kazary". This probably explains the adherence of "Ukrainians" to "trousers" and to shaving the head, which is, as you know, the customs of the nomadic steppe people. And the emergence of the "Ukrainian Cossacks" is again associated with the Tatar-Mongols, even the name of the founder was Cossack-Mamai ..
    There has never been any "Kievan Rus", this term arose only in Soviet times, just as at the same time the "Ukrainian language" was artificially created, which did not exist from the word NEVER, like the "Ukrainian nation", in which in the 30s of the past centuries literally forcibly recorded the Russian population. It is difficult now to look for the reasons and motives for these "measures" of the Soviet authorities, whether it is myopia, or sabotage, but that it has borne fruit unambiguously and Russia has now lost not only huge, but also the best lands along with the population, which is becoming increasingly hostile to it and it has almost reached the war. As it will be in the future, it is difficult to say whether these lands will come back or not, but that this path will not be easy, it is unambiguous.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 27 August 2018 13: 57
      0
      "when the Russian tsars did not ransom it from the Poles, and its population was destroyed and scattered." Formulate the sentence more correctly. Ignorant people may think that the population of Kiev was destroyed after its transition from Poland to Russia. I would edit it this way: "including Kiev, which was completely destroyed (and continued to be a small provincial town right up to the end of the 17th century, when the Russian tsars did not buy it from the Poles), and its population was destroyed and scattered."
  22. Altona
    Altona 26 August 2018 13: 44
    +2
    Quote: fa2998
    We could have funded Ukraine if we had order in this area! But Russia is dying too! Reducing the birth rate (despite all sorts of maternal capital), people are leaving. From a sharp fall, Russia saves that the North Caucasus republics give birth well (probably more money is invested there than in other regions).

    -------------------------
    I always talk about it. Moreover, the caricatured Ukrainian authorities are not very different from the Russian ones.
  23. Altona
    Altona 26 August 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Quote: bistrov.
    There has never been any "Kievan Rus"

    -------------------------
    Kievan Rus is a historical period, not a real state.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 27 August 2018 21: 56
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Kievan Rus is a historical period
      There was "Rus" - this is the "historical period", then "Russia", "Russia". So, there has never been such a state, no "historical period" as "Ukraine", but it was the outskirts of Rus. It turns out that "Okraintsy" living there ....?
  24. aries2200
    aries2200 30 August 2018 08: 54
    0
    horror stories and Goebbels propaganda .. nothing dies out ... statistically as elsewhere in the republics of the USSR and Warsaw Pact countries ... 50 years have been written about the extinction of western Europe.
  25. aglet
    aglet 1 September 2018 18: 22
    0
    maybe to begin with answer the question-why is Russia dying out? and then ask, why is Ukraine dying out? and such a photo as at the beginning of the article can be taken in any village near Moscow. Ukraine is now passing through what we went through in the 90s, and it is not yet known who will have the best result