We will impose sanctions, but not on rocket engines. The Foreign Ministry voiced the "answer" of the United States

Russia will respond symmetrically to US sanctions by introducing restrictive measures against individuals and US enterprises, but does not plan to stop the supply of rocket engines, reports RIA News With reference to the deputy head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergey Ryabkov.

In his statement, Ryabkov clarified that the retaliatory measures of Russia would be symmetrical to the US and would affect both individuals and entire enterprises, but would not concern the supply of rocket engines to the US, since this does not meet the interests of Russia. He explained that in no case will the following restrictions be applied as restrictive measures: deliveries of rocket engines, aviation titanium, as well as some other positions on the export of Russian goods to the United States. Russia will not act to the detriment of the country's state interests, Ryabkov added.

Earlier, the State Duma said that Russia, in response to the first package of sanctions imposed by the United States because of the "Skripaley case," could limit the supply of rocket engines for the US space program.

The first package of sanctions was introduced by the United States last Wednesday and limited the supply of dual-use goods to Russia. The Russian government promised an "adequate and symmetrical" response.

Comments

[The black]

Let's be honest. We do not have effective levers to counteract the authorized policy (lawlessness) of the United States. No, and this is sad.

[Dimontius]

The largest country in the world with endless resources, ingenious minds and open people does not have a single lever of pressure on just one printing press. Stop the world I will come out ... PS do not confuse petty dirty tricks with real pressure.

[Fungus]

There is a lever. Gasp over them. Only this as a last resort.

[The black]

Quote: Fungus

There is a lever. Gasp over them. Only this as a last resort.

You know ... a joke goes around about this ... I quote ..

Lavrov Shoigu calls after the appeal of the President of the Federal Assembly and says:
- Listen, Kozugetovich, do not strike in New York, I have a daughter there.
Shoigu replies:
“Yes, I know. Fursenko also called about the USA. Mizulina asked not to beat in Belgium, Zhirinovsky in Switzerland, and Zheleznyak in London. Our others called, the list is really big ...... Pause. Listen Lavrov, where to beat then, in which case?
- Mmm, well, wither around Voronezh, ours are not there.

[Going]

Quote: Black

Let's be honest. We do not have effective levers to counteract the authorized policy (lawlessness) of the United States. No, and this is sad.

If you search then there is a lever, but you need to want this.

[For example]

Earlier, the State Duma announced ...

Tongue chatting do not carry bags. In a thought it is time to take to work on the results of exams and tests for professional suitability. Ballerinas, singers and footballers decide to sell engines or not.
Sanctions are imposed by one who is sure that they depend on him. To impose retaliatory sanctions is idiocy.
Measures should be taken to reduce dependence on the United States. Own economy needs to be put on its feet.
That’s what the government is saying right now.

[Vanek]

Quote: Black

No, and this is sad.

Quote: Dimontius

there is not a single lever of pressure

Quote: Going

If you search then the lever there is but this need to want.

You just need to want to ...

Victor

[private person]

- Mmm, well, wither around Voronezh, ours are not there.
It seems like a joke, but like someone who’s not funny, but it’s sad because it is the relatives of our powers that be all over the hill (well, not all but many).

[Baloo]

Reuters, referring to the data from the accounts that the agency has at its disposal, reported that the second largest Swiss bank, Credit Suisse, froze its Russian-related accounts by about 5 billion Swiss francs (about $ 5 billion) to avoid falling under US sanctions.

"All the largest banks in the world depend on operations in dollars, including ours. Naturally, this decision, in my opinion, is both a blow to the dollar and to the reputation of financial institutions, the most important thing is to destroy the world financial order," the chairman told RIA Novosti Committee of the State Duma on the financial market Anatoly Aksakov.

The parliamentarian also expressed hope that the situation will be resolved in the near future. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/politics/40626034/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

And what, Switzerland has no interests in the Russian Federation and one cannot adequately answer 90% of the breweries belong to the West. And how many defense industry enterprises,
and that no one can infringe? Can we learn something from China?
The response to sanctions should be proactive, and not remind helpless babble: we can show you, we can hurt you .... Disappointed.

[Darvin dv]

We all know very well in which part of the economy we can respond to the United States - and this is not at all space. But this is sacred .... Oil, gas, banks - this is where you can freeze the assets of American and other hucksters. For example, I don’t hear a word about the Sakhalin shelf)))))).

[DEDPIHTO]

Ryabkov’s statement in the usual style of the Powerless: blah blah blah pshshsh partners. No specifics, just an empty concussion. What is there to comment, it remains only to swear obscenities but no way

[LSA57]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

No specifics, just an empty concussion.

In his statement, Ryabkov specified that Russia's response will be symmetrical with the US and will affect both individuals and entire enterprises,

is not specific?
or according to your specifics fist on the face?

[DEDPIHTO]

What kind of specifics is this when no industry (at least) is called for which they threaten to beat? And with a fist on the face, it’s tempting, however, to ask for a long time

[LSA57]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

What kind of specifics is this when no industry (at least) is called for which they threaten to beat?

nobody speaks in advance !!!!

[DEDPIHTO]

Clear. Follow the old fishing proverb - fishless and cancer fish Distracting from the topic (empty), I note that everyone has a Red Flag, maybe OURS have already come to power, but we don’t know anything ..

[igorbrsv]

To not spoil the surprise?

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

nobody speaks in advance !!!!

That's right .... ".. no one says" because ... "there's nothing to say."
But the Chinese right away otvetku ..... the difference in MINUTES, well, the Israelis answer ... almost immediately .....
And we, in the sense ... you ... express concern and ... "puff out"

[Baloo]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

What kind of specifics is this when no industry (at least) is called for which they threaten to beat? And with a fist on the face, it’s tempting, however, to ask for a long time

To promise does not mean to marry? Oh, hold me seven!
The response to sanctions against us should be day in and day out, and not as it is now. How many real military-industrial enterprises are under the financial control of the West? And what, you can not infringe on them in any way?

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

is not specific?
or according to your specifics fist on the face?

Come on, come on .. "urya-patriotic" you are ours ... this is who you will "hit" ... by .. the Chevron corporation ??? well, etc.

[LSA57]

Quote: Random

this is who you will "hit"

I will not.
nobody will tell you in advance who the sanctions will be imposed.
when they go on the attack of the enemy they warn where they will strike?

"urya-patriotic" in

you are deeply mistaken.
I am not "urya", I am a Patriot of Russia and I HATE it when my Motherland is thrown in mud on any occasion.

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

nobody will tell you in advance who the sanctions will be imposed.

Answered your slogan above

Quote: LSA57

I am not "urya", I am a Patriot of Russia and I HATE

In my opinion, you "behave" exactly like "urya"

[Karabin]

Quote: Black

Let's be honest.

Let's be honest to the end. No, and with the current system of power, with Putin and his commissars, with mafia clans fused with power, there will not be.

[DenZ]

Quote: Karabin

Let's be honest to the end

Let's.

Quote: Karabin

No, and with the current system of power, with Putin and his commissars, with mafia clans fused with power, there will not be.

With power of whatever Yavlinsky or other power as liberal as the current leverage that will appear? We have capitalism if you have forgotten and the more liberal it will be, the less leverage we will have to influence the United States. Power here can do little. This economic system (oligarchs) puts pressure on the government (and not very weakly since our government cannot see leverage in any way).

[Random]

Quote: DenZ

This economic system (oligarchs) puts pressure on the government (and not very weakly since our government cannot see leverage in any way).

Well, I'm talking ... today we have an "invasion of aliens", because. they do not know where they "came" from and further, further, further

[DenZ]

Quote: Random

since they do not know where the sechenylenielytytimmeny Vekselbergiusmanovs "appeared" and further, further, further

No, even aliens know this. But what's the point of knowing this? With this you need to do something if in fact they are. Or will we also entrust this to aliens ?.

[Interlocutor]

And the next, to power, will come the HOLY !!! What are you, dear?

[Random]

Quote: Interlocutor

And the next, to power, will come the HOLY !!! What are you, dear?

Do not read carefully?
An answer was given to the post ..."It is the economic system (oligarchs) that puts pressure on the authorities (and not very weakly, since our authorities cannot see the levers in any way)."
Therefore, I think your question is ... provocative, or you are from the .. category.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Interlocutor

And the next, to power, will come the HOLY !!! What are you, dear?

That is, do you realize that the authorities are outright criminals and crooks, but do not see anyone else in their place just because there is a possibility that others will be the same?

[Interlocutor]

No. I realize that there are always people who are dissatisfied with any power, and looking for the reason for any of their own, or general lags and failures.

[Random]

Quote: Interlocutor

general lags and failures.

So if all the same there are general lags and failures, then all the same the power ... "not right"?

[DenZ]

Quote: Interlocutor

And the next, to power, will come the HOLY !!! What are you, dear?

I don’t know who the question is, but the saints just won’t come. This is exactly what I had in mind, but for some reason I got sick. To see the saints await.

[demo]

Well, why is there.
You just need to show courage and honesty before the people who choose you.
1. GUIN at the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation announces the opening of 100000 new places in medical institutions in the city of Vorkuta, Norilsk. Dudinka. Residents of Venezuela, Colombia, and Peru advocating the overthrow of legally elected heads of state are accepted for long-term rehabilitation and rehabilitation measures (from 10 years or more). And carrying out their illegal activities at the expense of US taxpayers (accepting grants). MO will provide transportation of the contingent at its own expense.
2. The Ministry of Defense will provide all interested parties in deliveries at preferential prices for MANPADS and RPGs. Representatives of Afghans, Yemenis, Somalis, Palestinians, and others fighting for independence are welcome.
3. The Russian Federation, within the framework of labor legislation, is ready to accept at least 10 million people for permanent work by the inhabitants of the DPRK. Workers are required for full employment in the summer and winter. Payment is piecework. For the leadership of the DPRK, preferences are provided in the form of deliveries of oil and oil products at reduced prices.

Continue?
And there are Cubans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, etc.

The gut is thin and the toad smothers.
And so I handed the belt to the "massacre" in Sochi and I am not blowing.

[Nikolai]

Quote: demo

1. GUIN at the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation announces the opening of 100000 new places in medical institutions in the city of Vorkuta, Norilsk. Dudinka. Accepted for long-term rehabilitation and rehabilitation measures (from 10 years or more)

Just do not touch those residents, they have their own country for them to live there. We have enough of our own to fill these sanatoriums and there will be much more benefit if you show your will and start sending starting from the State Duma, although it will also be better to confiscate property in order to replenish the budget ...

[demo]

You're right. These "noiseheads" do more harm to us than the rest.

[udincev]

Quote: demo

Continue?
And there are Cubans, Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, etc.

No need to continue. Impressive and so!
And then, so far, only raising taxes, retirement age and similar maneuvers ...

[Per se.]

Quote: Black

Let's be honest.

We have no leverage, since we are not in the cab of that "tractor" called "capitalism" that became the world pole after the determination of the leader-owner from among the contenders. Let's be honest, there is no "multipolar world", the Soviet Union and its block of socialism was the second established world pole, and it no longer exists. A younger and less experienced social system was destroyed by unsurpassed political cheats, hypocrites and scoundrels, who primarily outplayed ideologically, cunningly and deceitfully. Now the masks have been thrown off, at least some plus, capitalism no longer needs to dress in sheep's skins, since the fallen giant, the Soviet Union, has become capitalist Russia, which lives by the rules of the masters of world capitalism, the masters of transnational monopolies. That's the whole explanation. The "partners" have to wait for the final degradation of the Soviet heritage from the superpower, and they will no longer stand on ceremony with us. And while those who keep their treasure in foreign banks and foreign currency, send their kids to study, and wives-mistresses to be treated, to the West, will puff their cheeks, talk about the "multipolar world" and "retaliatory sanctions", caring first of all not to the detriment of oneself and not the interests of Russia. Sooner or later, this will end, capitalism has exhausted its positive, as it achieved the expansion of its world economic pyramid, since competition has actually turned into a fiction (with the consolidation of transnational monopolies and the disappearance of competition with socialism). Well, long-suffering Russia, to be under the Anglo-Saxons and with bad boys, these bourgeois temporary workers in Russia, is also not an endless process, civilization will have the formation of new planetary poles in politics, we will not be given anything else, since Russia can only be great, or Russia should not be as sovereign as a country in general.

[Vlad.by]

I remember under Stalin the Iron Curtain was - we ourselves protected ourselves from the "pernicious influence of the West," but absorbed technologies, goods, etc.
Now the opposite is true - they are protecting us from all sides, but they want to receive our oil, gas, forest, etc. as they received, cheaply and without problems, while giving only candy wrappers in exchange.
Here is the first option for you - to return ZHZ and to quote our liquid goods by price and directions.
The second option is to quote the crossing of the territory of the Russian Federation by cargo and passengers at preferential (read today's prices) only for "friendly" countries. The rest - at world prices. So that it was a little cheaper and a little faster than bypassing, but as expensive as possible. And with the control of the transported, at their expense, of course.
The third is the sanctions restrictions for all foreign and joint companies of "unfriendly countries". As an example, a ban on the export of profits, only investment within the Russian Federation (while NOT NATIONALIZING enterprises), a ban on royalties, franchises, shares, etc., and so on, with a simultaneous "sanctions" tightening of taxation. This, by the way, was the case in China until recently. For those who have distinguished themselves, they have to buy out forcibly shares at "state rates", naturally with a ban on the export of property abroad.
For those interested, in Russia, the capital of foreign and joint ventures of Western countries exceeds 0,5 trillion green candy wrappers. They have something to fear. At the same time, practically nothing will change in the work of enterprises. They mainly work to ensure the domestic market of the Russian Federation, and those that work for export will not be subject to additional sanctions, since they themselves need oil and gas.

Well, if you think carefully, you can also count 10 and 100 additional options ...

[Darth gazgkull]

The fact of the matter is that there are levers. There is no desire to put pressure on them.

[Jerk]

It is necessary to block what does not benefit the Russian Federation. Selling engines gives money.

[Elephant]

These engine sales are not for long. Soon, the Americans themselves will abandon them and switch to their products, newer and more effective.

[Jerk]

They have been refusing for 25 years - they just can't refuse! They have been poking around in Soviet drawings for 25 years, and there have never been any "newer" ones! And if you play Preddazamus, then the tripods on the nose have an even steeper crisis, from which only the Russian Federation can save - the energy crisis, and no one is building a nuclear power plant anymore.
Do not die. But what they sharply op - and give birth to engines, it was just the grandmother in two said. This is not a hunchbacked mountain to shoot

[zlinn]

But what they sharply op - and give birth to engines, it was just the grandmother in two said. This is not a hunchbacked mountain to shoot

So you already gave birth: only 5 out of 23 American launches this year on Russian engines, and another 15 are planned, and only one of them grew. engines

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: zlinn

So you’ve already given birth

What gave birth? Musk gave birth to a Falcon-9 with the disengaged engines of Merlin, which are 9 in the step?
NASSA uses the RD-180 only in the most critical launches, not a single accident in history.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Elephant

These engine sales are not for long. Soon, the Americans themselves will abandon them and switch to their products, newer and more effective.

When? How soon? Which of their newer and more effective, new and effective ones are undergoing fire tests and it seems not very successful so far. The contract was extended until 2020 with NPO Energomash and it is not a fact that this is the last extension, if Musk screwed up in 2020, then most likely it will be extended until 2025.
In response to the ban on RD-180-181 engines, the Americans can respond with a ban on the supply of Pratt & Whitney, which will be painful for Russia at the moment.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

When? How soon?

Already. Falcon 9 - 15 launches. Atlas 5 - 4 launches. 2018 year. The only reason 4 launches were made on Atlas 5 is the US desire to have 2 missiles, not one. Well, ULA lobbyism, of course.
Calm down already, nobody but one dying state company RD-180 is needed. It is time to return to reality, and not see pink dreams with a pony.

[zlinn]

This is you 2 Delta forgot to mention, which are also purely American

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: zlinn

This is you 2 Delta forgot to mention, which are also purely American

Delta is a Boeing company, but the manned ship that builds the Boeing were about to launch on the Atlas, do not know why?

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Calm down already, nobody but one dying state company RD-180 is needed.

Since when is a Boeing dying company?

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

If you do not have information, then it is better not to argue. Atlas-5 is not launching Boeing, but ULA. That is exactly ULA and is such a company - the company could not win a single competition where there was a rival in the person of SpaceX. In fact, now they just give her launches.

They were going to launch a Boeing on the Atlas, do not know why?

Because Boeing has nothing else. As soon as Vulcan appears, flights will be transferred to it.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Because Boeing has nothing else. As soon as Vulcan appears, flights will be transferred to it.

It may turn out that the same RD-180 will be on the Volcano.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Can not. Vulcan was originally designed for other engines.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Can not. Vulcan was originally designed for other engines.

Somehow they were going to launch a heavy one on a 4-ex RD-180. If in 2019 the BE-4 fails, it will most likely fly on an RD-180

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

If you do not have information, then it is better not to argue. Atlas-5 is not launching Boeing, but ULA.

I asked you why, having your Delta Boeing, a manned ship is going to launch on the Atlas. ULA is a joint brainchild of Boeing and Lockheed Martin, do you really think that these two largest companies in the USA will give their launches to the Mask? They have their own extensive space program.
NPO Energomash is building in 2018 11 RD-180 and 6 RD-181 ..

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Somehow they were going to launch heavy on 4 RD-180.

Not going to.

If in 2019 the BE-4 fails the test

Firstly, they will not fail. Secondly, they have AR-1. Thirdly, if they again use engines from the Russian Federation, they will not see contracts. Therefore, the use of new Russian engines is absolutely excluded.

why having your Delta Boeing a manned ship is about to launch on the Atlas

Expensive, does not fit into the budget.

Do you really think that these two largest companies in the USA will give up their launches to Mask?

Already given. I repeat - not a single contract where SpaceX participated, ULA could not win.

[Grits]

These engine sales are not for long. Soon, the Americans themselves will abandon them and switch to their products, newer and more effective.
Exactly. And the ban on the sale of our engines will drastically reduce the time it takes to commission American engines with the development of a whole series of new ones. So let them buy it for now.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Not going to.

Gathered.

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Firstly, they will not fail.

Vanga Is your grandmother?

Quote: PontiffSulyvahn

Already given.

Here is an example when Musk launched either Boeing or Lockheed Martin.

[Bakht]

Selling engines gives money. The engines make it possible to launch satellites into orbit. The new US defense doctrine involves war in space.
You know, the sale of German oil in 1941-1945 would also give money. The Germans supplied the USSR with machine tools and presses on which shells and tanks were made.

“Heavy lathes, front-turning, longitudinally planing, large gear cutting machines and boring machines of the required size are not made at all. Circular grinding, rotary and rolling machines are manufactured in units. It is not necessary to count on a more or less satisfactory domestic supply of these heavy machinery for the next 2-3 years. ” From which it was concluded that “the need for these types of machines can be satisfied in 1939 and partly in 1940 mainly due to imports ... because the organization and development of production of the above machines will require at least two years at best”

When they talk about a full-blown economic war and immediately talk about profit, I have a break in the pattern.
Question to Sergey Ryabkov. Put the engines. What will they pay? After all, operations with dollars will be banned after three months. The detachment of the Russian Federation from the dollar means stopping any trading operations. Will gas and oil also be delivered for promises?
The preliminary decision can be estimated. Stop the supply of any materials to American firms for three months. And see what comes of it. Will they accept the sanctions law or not? For some reason it seems to me that they won't. So far the congressmen-senators are playing the exciting game of "sanctions". And they do not risk anything because there is no answer. When there is a retaliatory blow, then this madness will stop.

[Jerk]

Engines give money, money makes it possible to buy, for example, tank sights for our defense industry, which we have not yet learned how to make, and anti-satellite weapons must be developed against satellites, because they will have to be developed anyway, "nakhach-nibud" does not help in this matter. China won rare earths cut in supplies at one time - only led to the development of new deposits in the world, and now the Chinese do not really need supplies

[Bakht]

You can’t sell. This cannot be done for any money. Which sight was better? Tiger or T-34? Tiger was a hundred times better. At the Royal even managed to put a night. And on the T-34 (read somewhere) instead of glass, a polished sheet of metal was sometimes used.
When a US satellite on a Russian engine detects a concentration of a tank column, no sight will save.
"Though small, but your own." I didn't say. The Russian people came up with.

[Jerk]

It was impossible to sell drawings. A one-time engine to sell is generally NECESSARY - let them not do it themselves any longer. And already forgotten how, but every year it will be even better.
And then just technical documentation and a production license have been with them for 25 years. They themselves will not be able to - they will agree with China, they will quickly do it. Or with Korea, not North, so South, and we will remain with sanctions.
By the way, what is the difference between the sanctions imposed, for example, on Kalashnikov from the United States and what you offer - they say that they themselves impose the same ban on selling in the United States at Energomash?
And if you think about your head?

[Bakht]

If you think about it with your head, you can’t trade with crooks. They traded for 25 years, took out money, and now sanctions .... They already wrote here - why is the West not afraid to lose money on sanctions? But Russia is very afraid of this.
Do not be afraid. All the same they will trade. They need these engines now. Right now. And they won’t fall under any sanctions - that’s for sure. Why do what the enemy wants? The patient must be beaten. In this case, the engines. And look at the result ... By the way, on titanium too ...

[Bakht]

It is necessary to read the classics. Classics don’t lie ...

First of all, required sufficient natural resources in the country: iron ore, coal, oil, bread, cotton. Do we have them? There is. There are more than in any other country. On this side, on the part of natural wealth, we are fully provided. We have even more of them than necessary.
What else is required?
It requires the presence of such a power that would have the desire and power to move the use of these huge natural resources for the benefit of the people........
What else is required?
It is still required that this power enjoyed the support of millions of people workers and peasants.
We also need the existence of a system that would be free from the incurable diseases of capitalism and which would give serious advantages over capitalism. Crisis, unemployment, squandering, poverty of the masses — these are the incurable diseases of capitalism ......
See how the capitalists want to get out of the economic crisis. They reduce the maximum wages of workers. They reduce the maximum price of raw materials. But they do not want to seriously reduce the prices of industrial and food consumer goods. This means that they want to get out of the crisis at the expense of the main consumers of goods, at the expense of workers, at the expense of peasants, at the expense of workers. The capitalists are chopping up the branch on which they sit. And instead of overcoming the crisis, its aggravation is obtained, the accumulation of new premises leading to a new, even more severe crisis.
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There are no other ways ...
We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us.

Given the "absence" of some components - the situation is not so hot ....

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bakht

German oil sales in 1941-1945 would also give money.

You confuse the cold war with the hot, the USSR collaborated with NASSA. The sanctions have both negative and positive sides.

[Bakht]

Sanctions are politics. The purpose of the sanctions is to change the policy of the state, using the discontent of the people. The worsening lives of ordinary citizens and they will overthrow the power we do not like. There is nothing good in sanctions. They provide an opportunity, or rather force the government to develop its production. Often costly and time-consuming, distracting scientific, industrial and financial resources. Sanctions run counter to all liberal hostel policies. And contrary to the WTO settings. Sanctions are simply military operations without bloodshed.
The USSR collaborated with NASA. But one must understand that cooperation with the ENEMY is unacceptable. There are no "partners" in war. There are enemies.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bakht

But we must understand that cooperation with the ENEMY is unacceptable.

In Vietnam, the USSR almost directly fought with the United States 1965-1973.

The program was approved on May 24, 1972 by the Agreement between the USSR and the USA on cooperation in the exploration and use of outer space for peaceful purposes. NASA initiated the joint flight of the American and Soviet manned spacecraft with docking in orbit. This idea was expressed by NASA Director Thomas Payne in early 1970 during a correspondence with the President of the USSR Academy of Sciences Mstislav Keldysh. Working groups were formed to coordinate technical requirements for ensuring the compatibility of the Soviet and American ships existing at that time - the Soyuz and Apollo. October 26-27, 1970 in Moscow, the first meeting of Soviet and American experts on the compatibility of the means of rendezvous and docking of manned spacecraft

Quote: Bakht

They provide an opportunity, or rather force the government to develop its production. Often costly and time-consuming, distracting scientific, industrial and financial resources.

Tell Rosselmash, almost 2 billion rubles of net profit.

Today, the largest buyers of Russian washing machines are Poland (223 thousand units), Kazakhstan (208 thousand), Ukraine (152 thousand), Italy (105 thousand) and Germany (22 thousand). Even shipments to Hong Kong have been noted.

What does not kill us makes us stronger.

[Bakht]

Almost fought - not considered. A little pregnant does not happen. You have been openly told that there is an economic war. Axiom for all ages - during the war, contact with the enemy only through the sight. All 2500 years of written human history. I don’t think something has changed.
I repeat - ECONOMIC war. And you again about profit. This is where it started. During the war, profits are NOT VALUE. Well, if you did not set yourself the goal of losing.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Bakht

I repeat once again - the ECONOMIC war. And you again about profit.

In an economic war, profit is a victory, which is bad when your enemy is forced to support your rocket engine.

In 2018, the company plans to supply customers with three types of power units - 11 RD-180 engines, two RD-191 engines and six RD-181 engines.

This is NPO Energomash, only two engines for Russia, were no longer ordered.
With the money raised, Energomash is developing an engine for Soyuz-5, which is due to fly in 2022.

Quote: Bakht

Almost fought - not considered. A little pregnant does not happen.

Can do without banal phrases.

[Faceless]

It’s high time to strike back at the patient: no rocket engines to the west, no military (and civil) cooperation in Afghanistan - let them figure it out, no sale of oil and gas for dollars - only for rubles. And let the ISS themselves fly on their carriers. Make a ban on the work of Russian citizens in American dip. representative offices (it was under Brezhnev) - let the distinguished gentlemen from America take turns cleaning the building and take out the garbage. Then we'll talk.

[Dimontius]

You were stunned, but how are you?

[PSih2097]

Quote: Faceless

Then we'll talk.

and do not change the rhetoric - turn off communications (sewage, water, light).

[demo]

Damn is an idea. With the onset of the cold season, stop supplying thermal energy to the US Embassy. And start repairing the water supply. As usual, until spring. Electricity supply intermittently. 1-2 times in half an hour. How will they feed their spy things on the roof?
And what? For half a year, Russians without water and sewers are in the order of things, but is it difficult for Americans to run into the outhouse?

[Jerk]

"To spite my mother's ears, I will frostbite" We must answer in such a way that it is beneficial to US. Not them. Example. Pharma. Is there an analogue of a drug from the USA or a concern with the participation of American capital in it, but produced here? Everything, on a foreign one, simply shit a 200% duty, and order.
And you offer in response to the sanctions - sanctions on us and add

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Jerk

Example. Pharma There is an analogue of a medicine from the USA or a concern with the participation of American capital in it, but produced by us? Everything, on foreign just to hell a fee of 200%, and order.

And if not ?! There will be a blow to sick people, and as a rule, simple, because the same deputies will get what they need, no fees will hinder.
I believe that it is necessary to freeze the accounts of American billionaires in our banks in a mirror, confiscate estates somewhere in Sochi, or on Rublevka — here they’ll howl

[Jerk]

And if NO - DO NOT impose, impose only on what is. Aspirin has the same formula for Baerovsky and Ferreinovsky, for example, why the hell is Baerovsky ?! Why the hell in the epoxy store from Berlin Hemi, if there is one from NPK Astat?
And here they are just proposing so - not to sell engines - And no one else will buy - And hell with it! To spite mom! But my ears will be frostbitten!
Popo-Lizm never brings good

[LSA57]

Do you really think that it has occurred to anyone but you?
Do you really think you haven’t calculated ALL the options?
Do you really think that you know ALL the reasons why these or other steps are not taken?

[Chicot 1]

"Double standards" however. The logic is very simple and very hypocritical - like, of course, we are against, but when we really need it, we do not mind ...

[rotmistr60]

but will not relate to the supply of rocket engines to the United States so

I'm bastard. So the money from the United States prevails over the axiom of the enemy elementarily accepted by the people? They recognized us as a threat, they are not only trying to strangle us, they are trying to physically destroy us, and we? With all understanding to the president, but this is already a fawning. So shame!

[LSA57]

Quote: rotmistr60

I'm bastard. So the money from the United States prevails over the axiom of the enemy elementarily accepted by the people?

introduce sanctions against themselves?
may have noticed that EVERYTHING, even the allies, but not the sasha themselves suffer from sanctions.
and you propose to do exactly the opposite

Russia will not act to the detriment of the state interests of the country,

[Random]

Quote: rotmistr60

They recognized us as a threat, they are not only trying to strangle us, they are trying to physically destroy us, and we?

In my opinion, the 404 country is doing the same and that ... but nothing .. "brothers, friends, partners"

[Smoked]

All this will be fun to read in 2019, when the Americans introduce everything sanctioned, which is what we have in mind.

[Engineer]

Well, how much is already possible ?! These engines are American, because by the terms of the competition they got all the rights to them. It's just that it’s much cheaper for them to buy ready-made products from us than to build a factory at home. That's all.

[sgapich]

Quote: Engineer

Well, how much is already possible ?! These engines are American, because by the terms of the competition they got all the rights to them. It's just that it’s much cheaper for them to buy ready-made products from us than to build a factory at home. That's all.

I agree how long it can be argued that "these engines are American." All patent rights for RD-180 belong to NPO Energomash.
Not one article about this was, including on VO:
https://topwar.ru/127947-rd-180-o-raketnyh-potokah-lzhi.html

[Troll]

Nothing is clear yet. Which companies, which people?
Boeing, McDonald's, Pepsi, CocaCola or some other organization that is not at the hearing?

[LSA57]

Quote: Troll

Nothing is clear yet. Which companies, which people?

so have not yet entered. why disclose ahead of time

[Random]

Quote: LSA57

so have not yet entered. why disclose ahead of time

Well, about expressing "concern" ... you can

[LSA57]

Quote: Random

Well, about expressing "concern" ... you can

so concern express AFTER the introduction.

[Bakht]

As a gynecologist friend told me, "after INTRODUCTION, it is too late to express concern"

[LSA57]

Quote: Bakht

As a gynecologist friend told me, "after the INTRODUCTION, it is too late to express concern

"concern" from the word "sanctions"? without finding out what they are expressed in?

[Vlad.by]

The total value of foreign and joint US companies in the Russian Federation is more than half a trillion dollars.
To screw them the withdrawal of profit from the Russian Federation and raise the sanction taxation - there is something to scratch your turnip!

[PSih2097]

or I don’t understand something, or is it a betrayal of state interests. The country is dunked in the toilet, and the authorities, instead of a symmetrical answer, continue to bleat about some country's interests

that the following restrictions will not be applied as restrictive measures: deliveries of rocket engines, aviation titanium, as well as some other positions on the export of Russian goods to the United States.

for some reason, Europe, despite the impressive losses of hundreds of billions of euros, has joined the sanctions, and we are afraid of something, probably the confiscation of all that is hacked in the West.

[slipped]

Yes, everything is just like a Siberian felt boots - let's say we broke an ALREADY PAYED contract, as Ukraine itself had done with all Russian contracts, referring to force majeure - HAVE TO PAY AN INSTRUCTION, we will not pay - REPUTATION WILL FALL, and America will have new engines anyone and fast enough. And so we WILL NOT RETURN MONEY, the investment of contract money in OUR production will continue - the plant will work producing engines for OUR missiles, and America will eventually make its own engines, but worse and later because they drank to continue.

[Karabin]

Quote: slipped

as the same Ukraine had previously done with all Russian contracts,

Bad example. Despite the refusal to pay and the "loss of reputation", the trade turnover between Russia and dill is only growing.

[Egg]

Quote: slipped

we broke the ALREADY PAYED contract, as Ukraine itself had done with all Russian contracts earlier, referring to force majeure - HAVE TO PAY FORMATION, we will not pay - REPUTATION WILL FALL

France refused to give us the already paid Mistals and what? have their reputation plummeted?
Yes, they do not care, it is "our" all about otmazyutsya "interests", but in fact they think about their personal investments and real estate abroad.
Selling the United States technology, strategic raw materials and products is equivalent to the fact that we would have sold tanks, machine guns and artillery to the great Russian Hitler.
This cannot be justified by any "interests"!

[slipped]

France paid for the forfeit which turned out to be even more than we paid for MISTRAL, are you ready to pay the same amount to the Americans?

[Troll]

The dollar is in the way. The economy today is tied to the dollar and not the ruble. It was tied to the ruble under the Union when, according to the charter, a dollar was worth 60 kopecks and a point.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: PSih2097

for some reason, Europe, despite impressive losses of hundreds of billions of euros, joined the sanctions

Because on the other hand, losses would be even greater for Europe

[LSA57]

Quote: PSih2097

The country is dunked in the toilet

and I don’t think that sanctions are exactly that.
if you lived under the USSR then also lived your head in the toilet? there were permanent sanctions

for some reason, Europe, despite impressive losses of hundreds of billions of euros, joined the sanctions,

sure? verbally join. in fact bypass them as they can.
remember the Siemens turbines in Crimea

[Random]

Quote: PSih2097

and the authorities, instead of a symmetrical answer, continue to bleat about some country's interests

There they already wrote in the comments above ... where their children and households live, as well as accounts. Real estate, etc.
So what remains for them .....

[jetfors_84]

On the one hand, it is fine to take care of the well-being of one of his enterprises, or several. Americans look further they want to brake generally any development of our country. In all accessible and not accessible ways.
It seems to me that even in this they are slowed down if we can’t do anything else.

[Smoked]

It’s impossible to slow down this skating rink, but one thing is good. Previously, there were only words, but now there will be that very moment when everything will be decided.

[Million]

Our reformers will sell Russia. Only for the price it remains to agree

[Dr. Sorge]

This means that the United States holds very strongly for one place ... These engines will bring out new spy satellites. And it’s about a shot in the leg :) The export of these engines itself is already a shot, and not in the leg, but in the head to oneself.

[Dr. Sorge]

And no, you can still express concern about the Donbass, although this is already not visible. Also in the foot.

[Ivan Ivanov]

"since it does not correspond to the interests of Russia" (c) What is this interest? Supporting the space industry by trading with a potential adversary? Slowing down your own US developments? After all, we can buy far from everything for the dollars we earn; we can not invest everywhere. The list, with new sanctions, is narrowing. A few days ago, a Swiss bank arrested RF assets worth 5 billion.

[shubin]

All this sanctions fuss of Russia against the United States resembles the same fuss of Ukraine against Russia, they also wave their hands, stamp their feet, so we will show you right now, but it doesn’t cause anything but laughter.

[KVashentcev]

Khrunichev has orders only from the United States. Which, by the way, are already creating their own counterpart. There will be no American order, the shop can be closed. Engines are not needed for their homeland. And cheeks can be inflated for a long time, which we will not act to the detriment of. The problem is not sanctions, but the lack of interest in the development of their own complex production. If you build your own, and not foreign-owned economy, then perhaps leverage will appear. And the consequences of other people's decisions do not have to discuss.

[Vlad.by]

Those. You say that "poor Khrunichev", apart from orders from the United States, is in the rest of the suction ???
How deeply you are mistaken!
You know, there are Internet sites, in honesty there is such a http://www.khrunichev.ru.
there on the main page:

And this is only the visible part of the iceberg.

[sir_obs]

There is a dollar in the form as it is now, nothing will come out against the states (well, except how to bang on them).
And if you miss the moment when it will be necessary to plummet, then even no one will even do it.
The American is completely unencumbered by the war with Russia, so they fight. They will blow off the dollar and here we will lose all right, because even the edge is not designated, after which we can hit the Americans. And their policy is simple, gradually increase pressure and watch how the enemy reacts. Then again and again if he only expresses concern. And these are not my words, this is our Foreign Ministry in the person of Zakharova voiced.
That is, I understand everything, but nothing can be done. Therefore, everything looks very sad.

[Technologist]

Quote: Black

Let's be honest. We do not have effective levers to counteract the authorized policy (lawlessness) of the United States. No, and this is sad.

There are a lot of levers, only selfish interest is even greater and this is definitely very sad ((((((

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Gentlemen - comrades who advocate sanctions on engines and deliveries of titanium! Let me explain a little how things really are, and not in the inflamed imagination.

So, the engines. Now Russia supplies the USA with two types of liquid propellant rocket engines: the RD-180 for the Atlas-5 rocket and the RD-181 for the Antares rocket. The first type is used to launch a load in the interests of the US Army, and the second in the interests of NASA. What will happen if, at the request of the military couch, the country refuses to export these products? There will be the following.

USA.
1) ULA, the Atlas-5 launch operator, will suffer. Now on average about 5-6 launches of this rocket per year are carried out.
2) The former Orbital ATK will suffer. An average of 1 Antares launch per year.

Now attention! Will the United States itself suffer? Answer: NO. No, they will not suffer at all, because they have rockets. Now they have Falcon 9, the most popular rocket in the world. This year, this rocket made 15 launches, when Atlas-5 - 4 launches. Last year, there were 6 Atlas-5 launches versus 18 Falcon 9 launches. So, there are no technical obstacles to launch the entire Atlas-5 and Antares load on the Falcon 9 rocket. None at all. Though fly now. Therefore, even if you prohibit the sale of engines, the entire load will simply be thrown to another rocket. This is not to mention the fact that in addition to the Falcon 9, the United States has its own Delta IV rocket. In addition, now there is work on two new missiles at once: Vulcan and New Glenn. Their first flights are expected in 2020. In the series, of course, they will go later, but this is not decades of waiting, but only 2-3 years.

Russia.
A special line with hundreds of employees has been allocated for the production of engines for the USA at Energomash. The sales of the engines generate about $ 20 million each. What happens if they are banned? Russia will lose export earnings, lose high-tech production, and lose hundreds of specialists. But the advantages of such a decision are exactly zero - those against whom these sanctions are directed will not lose anything. And no need, please, about other buyers in the face of the Chinese or our own industry. Its own industry was unable to provide even the existing Proton with a load. The Chinese do not need foreign engines at all. If only to copy and start making yourself.

Therefore, when you offer to close the export and deprive yourself of markets, first start working for the enterprises you offer to deprive of orders.

[zlinn]

The states will not only not lose, but will even win a little, they will have a reason to place orders not with ULA
for 200M au spaces for 90M, and Mask will generally start the holiday

[Vlad.by]

No, they will not suffer at all, because they have rockets. Now they have Falcon 9, the most popular rocket in the world. This year, this rocket made 15 launches, when Atlas-5 - 4 launches. Last year, there were 6 Atlas-5 launches versus 18 Falcon 9 launches. So, there are no technical obstacles to launch the entire Atlas-5 and Antares load on the Falcon 9 rocket. None at all. Though fly now.

Question one - people on the ISS RIGHT NOW Falcon or Dragon lucky?
That’s when it’s about 10 times, even without incident, then we’ll applaud.
In the meantime, let Roskosmos get paid.

The second question - what will happen after the cut in funding for Musk? So far, all his launches and projects are based on the "golden rain" from the budget of NASA and the Pentagon under the sweet promises of "the storyteller Musk".
Nobody knows the real cost of launches Falcons. But the financial condition of Mask's space projects is far from brilliant and, moreover, constantly worsening.
Why did it happen?
Well, how will the auditors finally calculate ALL the costs, including the associated costs, and derive the real cost of a single launch?

By the way, 1 Merlin costs "slightly more than 1 million dollars", there are 9 of them in the first stage. total cost of about 13-15 million. These are only ENGINES!
TS dry cost.
Plus the cost of the throttle throttle system for flight control, since there is no own control system on Merlin, plus the cost of the suspension of 9 engines, which is several times higher than the cost of suspending 1 RD engine on the Atlas.
As a result, we come to the same price at which the RD180 was originally sold to the States. One! which, moreover, is also more fuel efficient than 9 Merlins. (the specific impulse for Merlin is 285 s, for RD - 323 s) and which is both statistically and really much more reliable than 9 units operating in conjunction. Thank God, now Energomash sells taxiways one and a half times more expensive than before. Well done!
So questions, questions, questions ...
Only time will tell how quickly Americans become independent in the field of non-cryogenic rocket engines.
In the meantime, there are more show-offs than real achievements.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Please pass by. You can argue with a person who is able to perceive the arguments of the opposite side. Anyone who throws the phrases "show off more" and tells conspiracy theories is not worthy of attention.

[BAI]

Anything that could harm the United States will not apply.

[Hole puncher]

The Russian government has promised an "adequate and symmetrical" response.

Have fun Sad clowns.

[Neanderthal]

The Russian government has promised an "adequate and symmetrical" response.

They have one answer, at the expense of future pensioners, get out .. (because they all knew about sanctions and do not want to lose income) Cross the borders as in the days of the USSR and withdraw the Navy to the Pacific and Atlantic .. We are weak for now, or rather, the oligarchy is liberal rules in all areas ..
Ah Putin Putin .. I think soon you’ll hand over Dimon to the crucifix, like he’s to blame ..? (we know these things ..)

[Real russian]

Quote: Neanderthal

They have one answer, at the expense of future pensioners to get out ..

- again "to distribute to pregnant pensioners"? Where do you come from?

[zan_parti]

You need to hit on the largest export product of the United States - the green candy wrapper. It is necessary to determine all the channels of its supply, from the largest to the smallest, and adopt a "creeping" strategy to squeeze it out of our (and not only) economy. Drop by drop, wrapper by wrapper. Slowly, consistently and systematically.

True, with our economic bloc and our government this is impossible. They are afraid to do this, as this will ruin their spare airdromes over the hill and supplies for a rainy day.

Therefore, there are no options if only Stalin was resurrected and started with mass executions, confiscations and landings ...