So how many Armata units will the RF Armed Forces receive in the near future? Details from MO

On the Web, including the Military Review website, there are active disputes over the fact that the procurement situation for the Russian Armed Forces of the latest armored vehicles (primarily combat units on the Armata platform) looks controversial. The main reason for such judgments, experts and ordinary readers, called the adjustment allegedly in the direction of reducing the volume of purchases of "Almaty". However, statements made by officials at the Army-2018 military-technical forum suggest that all concerns may not have any real ground.

The day before, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko spoke in Kubinka and stated that “today there is a firm contract” for the acquisition of 132 tanks T-14 Armata and heavy T-15 infantry fighting vehicles on the same platform.

According to Alexei Krivoruchko, the first nine armored vehicles as an installation party will be in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by the end of this year.

All other T-14 and T-15 vehicles will go to troops until 2022.

Alexey Krivoruchko added that serial deliveries will be carried out not only in the current period of the rearmament program, but also in the future. The official of the Russian Ministry of Defense thus made it clear that on 132 combat vehicles, the purchase of the newest armored vehicles on the Armata platform is not going to stop the agency.

According to some data, as part of the signed contract, another vehicle on the Armata platform is included in the batch of equipment, which must be delivered before 2022 of the year. This is a BREM (armored repair and maintenance machine) T-16.

At the same site of the Army-2018 forum, a representative of the armor manufacturer stated that 30 vehicles were currently produced on the Armata platform. This technique could be seen on military parades in the Russian capital.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

As I wrote in 2016 and 2017, all new items will be in the army in 2018.

[max702]

By the rate of entry into the troops, it’s just like in aviation .. If only it didn’t reach the naval pace ...

[bessmertniy]

However, clarity invigorates.

[lis-ik]

Quote: bessmertniy

However, clarity invigorates.

Such variable clarity from bureaucrats every day is a cart and a small cart, especially from Borisov.

[Sergey39]

For some reason, some are directly eager to equip the army and navy with raw equipment. Wait, everything has its time

[Mountain shooter]

Wow, how about aviation? 132 cars are contracted. In terms of numbers - more than a division ... But what, the Russian army now has a shortage of good tanks? It seems not. They bring and rearm.

[Dzungar]

132 cars are a brigade set. Three tank battalions and one motorized rifle

[just exp]

if .
132 is the number of both tanks and TBMP.
that is, 2 types of BTT. and how many of them are tanks, and how many TBMP is a mystery covered in darkness.

[Fedor egoist]

IMHO, "Armata" today is a tank for low-intensity local conflicts. The war tank is currently the T-72 and its modifications. The new platform must go through real combat operations, "overgrow" the repair base, "shake off" all unnecessary things, and become familiar and familiar to tankers. Then it is possible in a large series. The transition must be neat, otherwise you may find yourself in a very interesting position at the time of the start of a high-intensity conflict. So that -

Quote: Sergey39

Wait, everything has its time

[cariperpaint]

Do not upset people))) they need a milen arm immediately)) (

[Dzungar]

Quote: Fedor Egoist

"Armata" today is a tank for low-intensity local conflicts. The war tank is currently the T-72 and its modifications.

Everything is exactly the opposite. This tanks on the basis of the T-72 can be fought with barmales. And in the big war with a serious opponent, just Armata is needed

[Mr Credo]

Isn't it easier and cheaper to use drones against enemy technology? I saw a tank, dived and there was no bucks mulen!

[igorka357]

In a big war with a serious adversary, after half a year of conflict, there will be no Armat, no Abrash, no Leo with the Leclerks ...

[philosopher]

Such a scenario was possible in the pre-nuclear era. Now, with such Atomic bombs will go into action before tank stocks begin to end. And this will be a completely different story.

[atakan]

Alright, alright you.
You have apparently forgotten that this tank is so crude that in the meanwhile they were burned by hundreds.
Already in the 15th year.)
If to this day, then a thousand for sure.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sith Lord

As I wrote in 2016 and 2017, all new items will be in the army in 2018.

will not. The year is ending, some contracts have just been concluded. Contracts until 2020, and after this period they will be. And then - the unit is clearly not in the troops, but in the training units. Su-57, with a high degree of probability, will be rolled into the GLIC

[Lord of the Sith]

That is, 30 units from 2015 undergoing pilot trials in the 2nd Taman Division seemed to us?

According to Alexei Krivoruchko, the first nine armored vehicles as an installation party will be in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation by the end of this year.

And this will be serial.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sith Lord

That is, 30 units from 2015 undergoing pilot trials in the 2nd Taman Division seemed to us?

maybe it seemed. Can you link?
As you yourself understand, these tanks (which went on parades) are not even pre-production, consider them fighting vehicles .. well, with a very, very big stretch.
You would have considered prototypes for combat. By your logic, so the Su-57 since 2010 in the army)

[Sands Careers General]

Su-57 in Syria run in. As for the T-14, there is no information, but the tank is really being tested in 1 Guards. TA

Yes, the whole T-14 battalion is a lot. You also need to learn drugs.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Sith Lord

+6
That is, 30 units from 2015 undergoing pilot trials in the 2nd Taman Division seemed to us?

it became very interesting ... a reference please ... the "bend" about 30 tanks is obvious ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Su-57 in Syria run in

not funny ourselves from such a "run-in"? For two whole days! Wow - everything would be run in and tested so quickly and efficiently!

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

As for the T-14, there is no information, but the tank is really being tested in 1 Guards. TA

The contracted "Armata" are to enter service with the 1st Guards Tank Regiment of the Taman Division.

[Sands Careers General]

not funny ourselves from such a "run-in"?

Absolutely not funny, because the combat mission of the Su-57 was carried out on a solid five, and the barmaley were sad.

The contracted "Armata" are to enter service with the 1st Guards Tank Regiment of the Taman Division.

2nd Tamanskaya FFM is part of 1 Guards. TA, why repeat it?

[raw174]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

the combat mission of the Su-57 was carried out on a solid five, and the barmaley were sad.

You probably know a little more than the rest ... What tasks were that? as in the movie "Election Day 2":
- and the governor at the scene of the accident? can I talk to him?
- no, he arrived, liquidated and immediately left ...

[Sands Careers General]

In the news, for a long time, everyone has been debating about the Su-57 sorties.

Flew undercover, bombed and flew away. The Sumerians and all NATO had a tantrum about this.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

2nd Tamanskaya FFM is part of 1 Guards. TA, why repeat it?

The link is where, confirming your words? Or did you pretend not to notice the awkward question about the 30 "Armata"? And this is not a repetition - I said that tanks will go in its composition, and you - that they already there. Do you understand the difference?

[Sands Careers General]

Look for the link yourself, if there is such a hunt, or pay me for the service, I will find something in the world trash.

And as for such sensitive issues, it is generally at least particleboard.
Who knows, maybe you're a spy?))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And as for such sensitive issues, it is generally at least particleboard.

what are you scattered about with chipboard information, eh? FSB is not on you?

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Look for the link yourself

That is, you are not responsible for your words? They blurted out, but how did they take you for a train ... so into the bushes? If so. then a further discussion with you simply makes no sense, because you probably know for yourself what people like you are called in the common people? Well, just like that, you are like that, and your words eloquently confirm this.

[Sands Careers General]

I myself will take anyone for the opa. Kysh under the bunks, so I searched for a long time))

And you do not have a discussion, but a set of subconscious.
As for the tanks, I said everything, the Internet is big, you are a big boy (this assumption, maybe you should go to school in a week)))), look for what you need, I’m not a fan of snowballs to indulge everyone. Are you moody what))

And yes, what does the FSB have to do with it? I'm from Lugansk)))

[steelmaker]

There was information that the "Armats" at the test site could not be knocked out with the available weapons. Therefore, 100 pcs. now it's good. "Chicken by grain ..." The main thing is that the process does not stop and the staff have time to prepare.

[Alexey-74]

Well, a start has been made. I am personally glad that I was not mistaken about the commissioning directly to the troops of the "Armata", by the way, in spite of all the spiteful critics .....

[Jerk]

Figs knows him. Whether it is necessary. They have childhood diseases, and they will still crawl out. An experimental batch, of course, is needed, but it is premature to drive horses.
Although they do something like that - well, why the heck, for example, now 100500 Su-57 with the first engine or a bunch of Armats, which are still in a bag? Here they run and lick.

[spektr9]

Yes, we know your logic, t 72 have not rotted yet, the rest is not necessary ... Directly to deputies you need

[Jerk]

KV was a supertank at the time the war started, but just figured it out - it turned out nafig

[spektr9]

KV was a supertank at the time the war started, but just figured it out - it turned out nafig

It seems that I taught history very poorly and HFs were not graduated for 42 years, did not take an active part in the battles, the su-152, kv-85 and kv-1s were not produced on its chassis. He also showed himself very poorly in battles, and of course not how could not destroy 22 enemy tanks ...
And of course, they began to force the development of the tiger due to the presence of the t-60 in the USSR, and not as new tanks with bulletproof armor

[Alexey RA]

Quote: spektr9

It seems that I taught history very poorly and the HFs were not graduated for 42 years, did not take an active part in the battles, the su-152, kv-85 and kv-1s were not produced on its chassis.

HFs were produced until 1942 solely due to the lack of alternatives - at this time the design bricks KV-1S sculpted at the Stakhanov pace. And the SU-152 with the KV-85 was already made on the basis of the KV-1C.
The original HF itself was the very first pancake that was lumpy. Moreover, all of its main shortcomings were not manufacturing, but constructive - and stemmed from a low design culture. There is no other way to explain, for example, that the HF initially did not have a reserve for the load carrying capacity of the chassis and transmission, but was overloaded by almost 20%: the chassis and transmission were originally designed for a tank weighing 40 tons - and so they went into series . This is where the legs grow from the low reliability of HF and the requirements for weight loss. However. the KB tower received even less humane: the 7-ton KV tower drive (and the 12-ton KV-2) was taken ... from the 3-ton T-28 tower.
Moreover, the design bureau and the plant have already known about these shortcomings from the beginning of 1940 - but they did not correct any of them, justifying themselves by the fact that in autumn 1941 the HF should be discontinued, and instead a new heavy tank will be put into series, on which All comments will be corrected. And before the start of the war, HF was actually actually defective.

Quote: spektr9

And of course, they began to force the development of the tiger due to the presence of the t-60 in the USSR, and not as new tanks with bulletproof armor

Everything would be fine, but the technical specification for the final version of the "tiger" was issued on May 26, 1941. And they did it for a completely different war - by the planned time of the completion of competitive tests, the USSR should have already been planned to be defeated.
Moreover, despite the failure of “Barbarossa”, the pre-war schedule was still kept. However, this is no wonder - taking into account the twisting flight of the design ideas of Porsche and Henschel. The mere design of a tank without taking into account the railway size is worth something - and the company did it. specialized in railway rolling stock.
In general, the future "tiger" began to be made back in 1937. And the main role in the transformation of the original 30-ton car with a "cigarette butt" into a 45-ton (according to TZ) monster with an 8,8-cm cannon was played, perhaps, by the British and the French - the meeting of the Germans with B1bis and the attack of the "Matilda" near Arras.

[NyeMoNik70]

“Moreover, all its main shortcomings were not production, but constructive - and stemmed from a low design culture. Nothing else can be explained, for example, that the KV initially did not have a reserve for the carrying capacity of the chassis and transmission, but was overloaded by almost 20% : ... "
Read acc. literature. What are you writing? Not funny.
PS Drunk, sorry for the harshness.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: NyeMoNik70

Read acc. literature. What are you writing? Not funny.

So the figure "40 tons" is just from relevant literature.
In the book uv. Y. Pasholoka "SU-152 and other self-propelled guns based on KV" gave the GABTU's answer to the next project of a heavy self-propelled gun based on the KV - and this answer directly stated that the mass of the self-propelled guns is too large, since the suspension and transmission of the KV tank are designed for a mass of 40 tons ...

[igorka357]

You directly justify your nickname, by God .. You KV did not accidentally beguiled with another tank?

[Graz]

100 machines per year should be done at least, everything else is not serious

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Graz

100 machines per year should be done at least, everything else is not serious

For what? Today, the strategy and tactics of using tanks in theaters have completely changed. Forget about tank fists, reach, and so on. Once the wonderful techniques. Today, not even a little adversary will allow another to concentrate how many serious armored vehicles are at a distance of several hundred kilometers. In modern war there is no need to punch the enemy’s defense in depth and continuous along the front, the fighting will have a focal character.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: A. Privalov

Today, not a single minor enemy will allow another to concentrate no matter how much serious amount of armored vehicles are at a distance of several hundred kilometers. In modern warfare, there is no need to penetrate the enemy's defense, echeloned in depth and continuous along the front, the fighting will be focal in nature.

Is that what the Tzahal’s tankers are teaching? Well then, everything ... you’re guaranteed a loss.

[Romka47]

But it’s just that their tankers always tailed the Arabs with their Arabs, and in general remind me when was the last time tank fists were used?

[igorka357]

In Iraq, by the Americans!

[Fedor egoist]

Quote: A. Privalov

In modern warfare, there is no need to penetrate the enemy's defense, echeloned in depth and continuous along the front, the fighting will be focal in nature.

Tell Ukrainians and Syrians-even laugh)
At the slightest decrease in the intensity of the battlefield and the achievement of a balance of forces in a particular area of ​​the terrain, all parties to the conflict immediately burrow into the ground so that only their ears stick out :)) And if there is enough time and the terrain contributes, then from scratch such fortified areas are erected - what without " gods of war "(artillery and bombers) you won't have time to crawl out of your own trench to attack :)

[Romka47]

Tell Ukrainians and Syrians-even laugh) And where are the tanks used there or there massively?

[Fedor egoist]

This comment of mine is not about tanks at all, but about the fact that even in modern conflicts there is still a place for layered defense and positional warfare. Naturally speaking about low and medium intensity DB. I believe that the troops will dig in and bury themselves in the ground at every opportunity until the hostilities finally move into space and cyberspace :) In such "modern wars" the trenches are no longer needed :)

Quote: Romka47

And where are the tanks used there or there massively?

And there, and there - quite massively. Of course, it does not reach the level of the Second World War, but both in Ukraine and in Syria, armored units of the brigade-division level have operated and continue to operate. In today's high-intensity conflict, no one, of course, will allow anyone to concentrate such "steel fists". But in local conflicts, with "disabled" aviation, as in Ukraine, or in the absence of the enemy's aircraft and heavy armored vehicles, as in Syria, this variant of database management is quite viable.

[raw174]

Quote: A. Privalov

For what? Today, the strategy and tactics of using tanks in the theater have completely changed. Forget about tank fists, sweeps, etc. once wonderful tricks.

The question is the same, are we preparing for past wars? then yes, let's rivet.

[Faceless]

Uralvagonzavod according to six months ago (the official statement of the representative of the plant) produces 200 tanks a year of all types. There is already the only tank conveyor in the world. And recently they launched a conveyor for the production of tracks for machinery for round-the-clock operation. So not everything is so bad))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Faceless

Uralvagonzavod according to six months ago (the official statement of the representative of the plant) produces 200 tanks a year of all types. There is already the only tank conveyor in the world

The only carpet in the world? And where are the Chinese doing their tanks?

[igorka357]

In factories, only there are no conveyors .. there are a thousand Chinese whalers manually sculpt a tower on a tank ..

[Serg koma]

Quote: Faceless

produces 200 tanks a year of all types. There is already the only tank conveyor in the world. And recently they launched a conveyor for the production of tracks for machinery for round-the-clock operation. So not everything is so bad))

Wow
They can release more (if necessary), and even without tension. About "the only one in the world" - Watch less RenTV and advertising films from "UVZ" and Rogozin. By the way, the harp is riveted not in N. Tagil, but in Omsk (formerly "ZOR"), where there was also "the only one in the world"

[cariperpaint]

Well do it. Close all imports, all contracts for other machines and go!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Graz

100 machines per year should be done at least, everything else is not serious

In the USSR, the T-72 was built, on average, at 937 units per year, the T-80, at an average of 454 units per year, from 1976 to 1998 they were built in parallel, that is, in the year the USSR built 1390 tanks. And here for three and a half years, as many as 132 tanks, for the parades in major cities of Russia, perhaps, will be enough.

[cariperpaint]

What are you doing?))) Where does this math come from?)))

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: cariperpaint

What are you doing?))) Where does this math come from?)))

T-72s built 30 units in 000 years (32-1973), T-2005s built 80 units in 10 years (000-22) Wikipedia.

[cariperpaint]

And now we remember the year 91, import and so on. And plus models of these cars.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: cariperpaint

And now we remember the year 91, import and so on. And plus models of these cars.

Then you get even more units per year, in the USSR, if you count to 91 years, delve into laziness.

[cariperpaint]

Machine modifications forgot) ()

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: cariperpaint

Vehicle modifications forgot)

I also forgot the T-64 which was produced before the age of 80.

[Non liberoid Russian]

Hurray, give armada armatures, and many caps to throw

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Graz

100 machines per year should be done at least, everything else is not serious

We have T-72B3 for 180-200 cars a year do. And T-90 before the price increase at UVZ bought 65 cars a year.

[Faceless]

Something has quieted down those who recently wrote about the "fairy tale about the armature", "the tale about the Su-57", etc., implying that Russia has abandoned them.

[spektr9]

132 pcs and 12 pcs, oh yes, we are rearming ... You see, you nasty screamers "everything is lost", our army is completely rearmed. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

[cariperpaint]

Our army is rearming on the main tank t 72b3. T-14 is not the main tank in the army. Hare already, huh?

[spektr9]

Our army is rearming on the main tank t 72b3

Well, at least not on the t-34b10 already pleases Thanks to the union that 72 produced in due time there would have been nothing to rearm

Hare already, huh?

And what’s wrong, I have to jump and be glad that even though this amount of money was enough, and not everyone has stolen?

[cariperpaint]

Do you specifically?) Allocated 44 yards of money to mine, what did you steal from them?)))

[spektr9]

Do you specifically?)

Yes, I have it specifically, because I think that the income from the oil and gas industry cannot belong to a handful of people, but should go to the budget and settle not in the pockets of deputies, but go to defense, social projects and economic development (industry in particular) ... And not as we have for the personal benefits of those in power ...
ps although with such a defense their enrichment will soon cease, for someone stronger will come

[cariperpaint]

And what does the budget have to do with me?)) Do you want it like in the USA?))) Kindergarten.

[spektr9]

And what does the budget have to do with me?)) Do you want it like in the USA?))) Kindergarten.

I want, as in China, for everyone who has adopted this budget to bring the economy of the largest country to complete decline, according to the law with the highest measure

[igorka357]

In China, there is no such thing, but corruption is at the level of the Russian Federation, you should take an interest! There, a policeman and a doctor for a hundred bucks will not take risks, and a state-level bureaucrat for miles of greenery is easy, like two fingers on the asphalt, and the punishment will not stop! In the USSR it is also tough it was, with a complete confiscation, but it was, and it was not weak .. so that the Russian "maybe carry" not only Russian!

[sentaniel]

Nevertheless, they are executed at least 500 thousand a year, and corruption does not become much less. Apparently, it was not without reason that in ancient China officials were executed with their families.

[cariperpaint]

My budget is 46 yards in my opinion. They are buying it. As you live, you have a ruble, and count on it !!!

[asv363]

This is an open part of the budget.

[igorka357]

And about the Strategic Missile Forces, can you say something .. "Found where it’s worse, and let's water it, right?"

[Grigory_45]

Quote: cariperpaint

T-14 is not the main tank in the army

but it should be him, right? It was created as MBT, to replace the T-72 and T-90. Do you remember the speeches of senior officials when we were promised 2 thousand of these tanks by 2020?

[shinobi]

I think they will not be bought much in this form. There are persistent rumors about the robot's robot. From reducing the crew to two people with partial cyborgization, to a completely autonomous unit.

[Genry]

Quote: shinobi

Persistent rumors about robotization of the tank.

For robotization, the T-72 family chassis is better suited. Smaller, lighter, more maneuverable (length-width ratio). For the robot, the already well-worn disadvantage of poor crew placement is not important.
And "Armata" has its advantages, but with a crew or a landing force and as a base for various heavy weapons or equipment.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: shinobi

From crew reduction to two people

this is currently unrealistic. Two people with the current development of technology will not cope with their responsibilities. Proven by studies conducted by the MO.

Quote: shinobi

to a fully autonomous unit.

this is all the more a matter of the distant future. We need a full-fledged AI, the timing of which is still vague.
If such work will be carried out, it will be completed at best with the creation of a robotic complex, i.e. under the control of operators.

[sentaniel]

According to some reports, the Su-57 AI was created in 2015. Do you think it is much more complicated for armata?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: shinobi

From crew reduction to two people with partial cyborgization, to a fully autonomous unit.

Three days ago, this question was just sorted out:

In the choice of a crew option, two or three people, the principal issue was the workload of the crew members in carrying out the tasks assigned to them. In the study of this issue, it was proved that the combination of the functions of searching for targets and firing by one member of the crew is impossible. It was also impossible to entrust the functions of controlling one’s own and subordinate tanks to the gunner or driver, these functions were by their nature incompatible. After repeated examinations of this issue, it was decided at the councils of the chief designers and at the NTK of the GBTU in 1982 to develop a tank with a crew of three people.

© How the last Soviet tanker Boxer / Hammer was created (object 477) Part 1. Creation stages and layout.

[Jerk]

Quote: spektr9

Looks like I taught history very badly

It seems ... And it was released, although it would be nice to spank 34ki instead, and in the battles he showed himself fucking ...

Kirovsky’s engineers proposed to suspend the release of tanks until the defects were eliminated, however, according to the decision of the SNK and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, the release of KV tanks was to constantly grow.
As a result, quality was sacrificed to quantity. A year later, I had to pay with blood.

Exactly what is not bad in fights, one problem - it didn’t work to get to fights:

So in the 10th Panzer Division of the 15th mechanized corps in August battles 56 of the available 63 KV tanks were lost. 11 tanks were lost in battles, 11 went missing, and 34 were abandoned by crews due to malfunctioning equipment. In the 8th Panzer Division of 50 KB, 43 were lost. Of these, 13 were hit, 2 were stuck in a swamp, and 28 were abandoned or destroyed by crews due to technical malfunctions.

That is all love.

[spektr9]

It seems ... And it was released, although it would be nice to spank 34ki instead, and in the battles he showed himself fucking ...

But the misfortune of the t-34 was also at the beginning of the war a crude tank, which also didn’t reach battles, but how about the earliest versions ... Heard amazingly - and the transmission rained down and the tracks crashed, the engine junk ... About keep silent and other devices

That is all love.

Well, in general, you are in history as well as logic, not your horse

[Alexey RA]

Quote: spektr9

But the misfortune of the t-34 was also at the beginning of the war a crude tank, which also did not reach battles, and how about the earlier versions ...

Nevertheless, the chassis and armored hull of the T-34 survived to the end of the war - with a new tower. And the KV base was buried in 1942 - and then went KV-1C. Because a 48-ton tank on a chassis with a carrying capacity of 40 tons is hemorrhoids for the whole head for the crew and repair services.

[tomket]

Quote: Jerk

Exactly what is not bad in fights, one problem - it didn’t work to get to fights:

Well, how would the North-West direction be defended, including thanks to the KV, which were the frameworks of the defense. Let's remember Zinovy ​​Kolobanov for example. The T-34 and KV-1 were the very factor that, among other things, disrupted the terms of the "blitzkrieg". But probably it was necessary to wait with the release of the year until 42? Well, what would the normal ones go into the series? And even until the 43rd. Better yet, wait for the T-44.

[EvilLion]

In the 41, the poor and breaking T-34 radically exceeded the well-functioning BT-7, which is not observed now.

[tomket]

Quote: EvilLion

In the 41, the poor and breaking T-34 radically exceeded the well-functioning BT-7, which is not observed now.

Yeah? And how do you know?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tomket

Recall Zinovy ​​Kolobanov for example.

If Kolobanov had a T-34, the result would be the same. It was not so much a matter of technology as professionalism and vast experience of the tank commander. And in double armor-piercing ammunition.
If we take the description of the battle, then from the side of Kolobanov it was carried out strictly according to the charter: the positions were equipped, interaction with the attached infantry was ensured, the tank was masked, the head guard of the column was missed without a single shot.

Quote: tomket

The T-34 and KV-1 were the very factor that, among other things, disrupted the terms of the "blitzkrieg". But probably it was necessary to wait with the release of the year until 42?

It was necessary in 1940, according to the results of the work of the State Control Commission (Mehlis), to declare incomplete official Zaltsman. Or even drive a filthy broom. And then he escaped with an oral warning, and after a couple of years he generally took the chair of the people's commissar of the tank industry.
And to demand from LKZ correction of all the basic comments of the army. And do not look through your fingers as the plant for a year and a half (!) Drives tanks into the army with torsion bars breaking on the march, twisting shafts, gears losing their teeth, a cooling system boiling at 20 km / h, brakes self-jamming when turning, and the tower does not turn when the tower is slightly inclined clogging through an hour and a half march with air filters.
Moreover, even without work to eliminate the shortcomings of the LKZ, he systematically disrupted the plan for the production of HF and was engaged in forging documents and hindering the delivery of documents

Director of the Kirov Plant Zaltsman I.M. twice submitted to the People's Commissariat of Heavy Engineering the wrong information about the production of tanks in July-August of this year.
In the July report, the KZ director announced the release of 15 KV in July; in fact, only 5 tanks were delivered to the ABTU KA this month. The remaining 10 were not finished production. Their completion and surrender to the military representative continued until August 22-24.
In the August report, the plant indicated the release of 22 KV; in fact, on September 1, only 11 tanks were handed over to the military envoy.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Fedor Egoist

The new platform should ... "shake off" all unnecessary

Whatever we do, we get a Kalashnikov assault rifle. If Armata "shakes off the excess" - you get the T-72 :-)
No need to shake ...

[Dzungar]

Saying Lavrov know ..? It's about you

[Elephant]

For some reason, Armata outwardly strongly reminds me of a can. Israeli Merkava will look more interesting on the battlefield.

[Romka47]

A BMW is even more beautiful, let's buy behi instead of tanks, the appearance is the main thing

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Elephant

Merkava will look more interesting on the battlefield.

This is what it is, armor-aestheticism ... An ancient anecdote with the phrase: "So you need to go or checkers?" In general, a correctly chosen angle is enough for "beauty".

[Cynic]

Abrams no?
Or is there another matter?

[Dzungar]

Lavrov’s statement about you too ...

[Penzyac]

Quote: Elephant

For some reason, Armata outwardly strongly reminds me of a can. Israeli Merkava will look more interesting on the battlefield.

Laughed! ...

[DVTamga]

Well, expert definitely! And right! No spoilers, yuck.

[DVTamga]

Let them let out, even in a small batch, the main thing is let out.

[Romka47]

At least with spoilers

[Cynic]

In vain, the deputy minister announced the numbers, now they’ll count every piece and don’t bring the Almighty even one piece more or less! In the first case, the choral groan, the armies of the tanks did not finish, in the second, folk remedies are scattered left and right ...
In life, if the figures were even FIVE, the situation would not have changed

[Barbus]

The question is to those who have 130 T-14s - this is not enough. And how many Germans now have Leopards 2A7 + and Amers M1A2sep3?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Barbus

The question is to those who have 130 T-14s - this is not enough. And how many Germans have Leopards 2A7 + and Amers M1A2sep3

in the aggregate - much more than "Armat". In addition, the Americans are going to resume production of "Abrams", namely the SepV3 version, and in the amount of 135 tanks per year. And the Germans do not sit idly by

[Dzungar]

Brigade kit - three tank battalions and one mechanized infantry ....

[Е2 - Е4]

It’s clear what to show in the parades, but I understand from the parts they will connect smartly for the parades ... everything is as usual

[razved]

I correctly understood that the number 132 is the total number of T-14 and T-15?

[Grits]

And what's the point of creating ARVs based on expensive Armat? We have that few other platforms?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Gritsa

And what's the point of creating ARVs based on expensive Armat?

in fact, it was assumed that the "Armata" would become an MBT - the main battle tank. And it is quite logical to develop other vehicles on the basis of MBTs - self-propelled guns, armored vehicles, etc. And since the developer fulfilled the requirements of the TK, the T-16 ARV was also developed based on the "Armata". The same as the ARV based on Kurganets (object 694), although now it is also clear that this BMP will not replace the existing infantry fighting vehicles - for the same reason, they are expensive. As if before that it was not clear even at the stage of development of the project that the machines would come out much more expensive than the existing ones, at least the same T-90 and BMP-3 ...

[zan_parti]

Blurry numbers.
The article does not say that 30 T-14s were produced. It is also not said that 132 T-14s will be produced.

The article says:
"at the moment, 30 machines have been produced on the Armata platform"
And also:
"The department is not going to stop buying the latest armored vehicles on 132 combat vehicles on the Armata platform."

That is, the figures given indicate that 30 and 132 vehicles are not only T-14, but the total number of T-14, T-15 and T-16. So how many of them are T-14s? Less than ten? More than ten?

History repeats itself with "object 195". They created a ready-made sample, planned to launch a batch of one hundred pieces, then sat down and counted, it turned out to be expensive. We decided to replace it with a cheaper option based on a single platform. Created. They sat down and counted, it turned out to be expensive again, even with a weaker gun.

And again, a batch of about a hundred pieces, with a blurry amount of T-14 ...

[Grigory_45]

Quote: zan_parti

That is, the figures given indicate that 30 and 132 vehicles are not only T-14, but the total number of T-14, T-15 and T-16. So how many of them are T-14s? Less than ten? More than ten?

As far as is known, no T-15s, and especially T-16s, are now delivered to the troops.
Yes, judging by the message, 132 cars are the total number of contracted T-14s and T-15s. Moreover, it must be assumed that T-14 of them will be the lion's quantity. ARVs (T-16) have not yet been contracted at all.

[maai]

It may not be necessary to rush to deliver to the troops, and so there is much to invest.
The main thing is to break in a combat unit and prepare a production line and training, so that instantly, if necessary, begin to produce a large batch. Not a nuclear war with a state like Russia cannot be transient if the enemy is outside.
Machine tool and machine building - this is one of today's priorities.
As much as you can talk about active import substitution, but if it is at the level of patents bought abroad and developed with production abroad, then all this is worthless, and efficiency is zero!

[Grigory_45]

General of the Sand Quarries,

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

And you do not have a discussion, but a set of subconscious

is, as I understand it, autobiographical? Self-critical to himself, but true)

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

I’m not a chick on tsarlah so that everyone can indulge

you are worse. You are exactly the one who is called so (you guessed how). Well, if you don’t answer for your words - what respect do you have? You're not even a man, but ... it. I put myself like that, all claims to myself.

[Sazhka]

Blah blah blah .. The same empty words like those of the "president". Only "promises" .. "Dimon" well done, hiding cannot be seen or heard .. Apparently playing with an iPhone .. And Solntselik and Radiant will have to take the rap ..