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How Soviet sailors guinea defended

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At the very beginning of the seventies of the twentieth century, the Soviet Union actively increased its presence and influence in various parts of the world, including on the African continent. In September, 1971, a large squad of Soviet warships appeared on the African coast. He followed to the port of Conakry - the capital of Guinea.




The detachment included the destroyer "Resourceful", a large landing ship "Donetsk miner" with a battalion of marine corps of 350 people on board (with the marines followed the technique - 20 tanks T-54 and 18 BTR-60P), support vessel from the Baltic fleet and a tanker from the Black Sea Fleet. The detachment was commanded by the commander of the 71st brigade of landing ships of the Baltic Fleet, captain 2nd rank Alexei Pankov. The appearance of Soviet ships off the coast of distant Guinea was not an accident or a one-time visit - our sailors had to begin regular combat duty off the coast of this distant African state. This was requested by the Guinean authorities themselves, alarmed by the recent Portuguese armed invasion with an attempt to overthrow President Ahmed Sekou Toure.

The former French colony of Guinea, which since the beginning of the twentieth century was a member of the great federation of French West Africa, gained political independence on October 2 of the year 1958. In support of independence, the majority of Guineans who rejected the Constitution of the V Republic expressed themselves in a referendum, after which the metropolis decided to grant independence to its colony. Like most other French colonies, Guinea was a backward agrarian country with archaic agriculture. Only after World War I did the first banana and coffee plantations begin to appear in Guinea, the products of which were exported. However, Guinea was distinguished from a number of other West African colonies of France, such as Mali, Chad, Niger or Upper Volta, which had access to the sea, which nevertheless gave a definite chance for the economic development of the country.

The first president of Guinea was elected Ahmed Sekou Toure - 36-year-old local politician, a native of the peasant family of the people Malinki. Sekou Toure was born in 1922 year in the town of Farana. Despite its simple origins, he was something to be proud of - Ahmed Samori Tour's dear grandfather in 1884-1898. was the leader of the anti-French Guinean resistance under the banner of Islam. Ahmed followed in the footsteps of his great-grandfather. After studying two years in a pedagogical lyceum, at 15, he flew out of him for participating in protest actions and was forced to get a job as a postman.

Who knew then that already twenty years later this romantic-minded lad would become the president of an independent state. Sekou Toure was involved in trade union activities and in 1946, in 24, he was already vice-president of the African Democratic Union, and in 1948, he became general secretary of the Guinean section of the General Confederation of Labor of France. In 1950, he headed the WTF Trade Union Coordinating Committee in French West Africa, and in 1956 - the General Confederation of Labor in Black Africa. In the same year, 1956, Sekou Toure was elected mayor of the city of Conakry. When Guinea became an independent republic in 1958, it became its first president.

According to his political convictions, Sekou Toure was a typical African nationalist, only of a leftist sense. This predetermined the course of Guinea for the period of his presidency. Since Guinea refused to support the Constitution of the V Republic and became the first French colony in Africa to gain independence, it caused an extremely negative attitude on the part of the French leadership. Paris initiated an economic blockade of the young state, hoping in this way to put pressure on recalcitrant Guineans. However, Sekou Toure was not taken aback and made a very correct choice in that situation - he immediately began to focus on cooperation with the Soviet Union and began socialist transformations in the republic. In Moscow, this turn of affairs rejoiced and began to provide Guinea with all-round assistance in industrialization and training specialists for the economy, science and defense.

In 1960, the USSR began to help the Republic of Guinea to build a modern airfield in Conakry, which was designed to receive heavy aircraft. In addition, training of officers for the Navy of the Republic of Guinea began in 1961 in the naval educational institutions of the Soviet Union. However, in the very same 1961 in the relations between the USSR and Guinea a “black band” ran through and the Guinean authorities even expelled the Soviet ambassador from the country. But Soviet aid continued to flow into Guinea, albeit in smaller quantities. Sekou Toure, guided by the interests of Guinea, tried to maneuver between the USSR and the USA, gaining maximum benefit and receiving bonuses from two powers at once. In the 1962 year, during the Caribbean crisis, Sekou Toure banned the Soviet Union from using that same airfield in Conakry. But as you know, trusting the West is not respecting yourself.

In 1965, Guinean intelligence agencies uncovered an anti-government conspiracy, behind which stood France. As it turned out, in Côte d'Ivoire, a West African country closely connected with France, the Front for National Liberation of Guinea was even created to overthrow Sékou Touré. After this news, the Guinean authorities abruptly changed their attitude towards France and its West African satellites - Côte d'Ivoire and Senegal. Sekou Toure again turned towards Moscow and the Soviet authorities did not refuse him assistance. Moreover, the USSR was interested in the development of fishing off the coast of West Africa. To protect the positions of the Soviet fishing fleet in the region and began to send ships of the Soviet Navy.

Another reason for the growing interest in Guinea was its proximity to Portuguese Guinea (future Guinea-Bissau), where at the beginning of the 1960-s a guerrilla war against the colonial administration began. The Soviet Union supported the rebel movements in the Portuguese colonies — Guinea-Bissau, Angola, and Mozambique. The leader of the African Party for the Independence of Guinea and Cape Verde (PAIGC) Amilcar Cabral (pictured) enjoyed the support of Sekou Toure. The bases and headquarters of the PAIGC were located on the territory of Guinea, which the Portuguese authorities did not like very much as they tried to suppress the insurgency. In the end, the Portuguese command came to the conclusion that it was necessary to eliminate Sékou Touré as the main patron of the insurgents from the PAIGC. It was decided to organize a special expedition to Guinea to overthrow and destroy Sekou Toure, as well as destroy the bases and leaders of the PAIGC. The expeditionary detachment included 220 military personnel of the Portuguese Navy — special forces of the Marine Corps and Navy attack units, and about 200 Guinean opposition members trained by Portuguese instructors.

The commander of the expeditionary detachment was appointed 33-year-old captain Guilherme Almor di Alpoin Kalvan (1937-2014) - commander of the naval special forces of the Portuguese Navy DF8, who trained the Portuguese marines according to the British method and conducted many special operations in Portuguese Guinea. There was nothing surprising in the fact that the command entrusted the command of the operation to this particular person, a professional, and even a staunch Salazarist.

The operation also involved Marcelino da Mata (born 1940) - a native of the African ashes living in Portuguese Guinea. From 1960, yes, Mata served in the Portuguese army, where he made a fairly quick career, moving from ground forces to a commando unit and soon becoming the commander of the Comandos Africanos group - the “African special forces” of the Portuguese army. Marcelino da Mata (in the photo), despite his African origin, considered himself a patriot of Portugal and advocated the unity of all Portuguese-speaking nations.

On the night of 21 on 22 on November 1970, the expeditionary force of Kalwana and da Mats landed on the coast of Guinea near the capital of the country Conakry. The landing took place from four ships, including one large landing ship. The commandos destroyed several ships belonging to the PAIGC and burned down the summer residence of President Sekou Toure. But in this residence the head of state was absent. The Portuguese were unlucky and during the seizure of the headquarters of the PAIGC, Amilcar Cabral, whom the commandos wanted to grab, was also not in place. But the special forces released 26 Portuguese soldiers, who were held captive by the PAIGC. Unable to find Sekou Toure and Cabral, the Portuguese commandos retreated to the ships and left Guinea. 8 December 1970 The UN Security Council passed a resolution condemning Portugal for invading Guinea.

President Sekou Toure himself used the invasion of Portuguese commandos to tighten the country's political regime and persecute political opponents. Large-scale cleansing took place in the army, police, and government. For example, the Minister of Finance of the country Osman Balde was hanged, who was accused of spying for Portugal. Executed by the verdict of the court 29 government and army officials, then the number of executed increased even more.

Frightened by a possible repetition of such invasions, Sekou Toure appealed to the Soviet Union for help. Since 1971, the Soviet ships began to be on duty at the coast of Guinea. The duty Soviet detachment consisted of a destroyer or a large anti-submarine ship, a landing ship and a tanker. Soviet specialists began to equip the port of Conakry with navigation equipment. Sekou Toure, although he denied Moscow the creation of a permanent naval base in the Conakry area, allowed the use of the airfield of the Guinean capital, which allowed it to make regular flights between Guinea and Cuba. For the needs of the PAIGC of the USSR, he supplied three combat boats of the 199 project.

However, the Portuguese authorities did not abandon the idea of ​​reprisals against the leader of PAIGC, Amilcar Cabral. With the help of traitors in his entourage, they organized on January 20, 1973, the abduction of the party leader, who was returning with his wife from a ceremonial reception at the Polish embassy in Conakry. Cabral was killed, and then seized and tried to take a number of other PAIGC leaders, including Aristides de Pereira, into Portuguese Guinea.

How Soviet sailors guinea defended


However, the Guinean authorities were able to quickly respond to what was happening and imposed a state of emergency in Conakry. The conspirators, led by Inosensio Cani, attempted to go to sea on the very boats that the USSR once presented the PAIGC, asking for help from the Portuguese fleet. The Governor-General of Portuguese Guinea, Antonio de Spinola, gave orders to Portuguese Navy ships to go out to meet the boats. In response, the President of Guinea, Sekou Toure, asked for help from the Soviet ambassador to Conakry A. Ratanov, who immediately sent to the sea the destroyer "Experienced" under the command of captain 2-rank Yuri Ilinykh.

The Soviet destroyer could not get into the sea without the permission of the command of the USSR Navy, but his commander Yuriy Ilinykh assumed great responsibility and in 0 and 50 mines the ship took to sea, taking aboard a platoon of Guinean soldiers. Around the 2 hours of the night, two boats were detected by the ship's radar system, and on the morning of 5, soldiers of the Guinean platoon landed on the boats. The conspirators were captured and transferred to the "Experienced" destroyer, and the boats in tow followed the destroyer to the port of Conakry.



After this stories Guinea began to pay special attention to the development of its own fleet, boats and ships for the needs of which were transferred to the USSR and China. However, throughout the first half of the 1970's. The Soviet ships, changing, continued duty on the coast of Guinea. Invariably present on duty and the battalion of marines, reinforced by a company of amphibious tanks and anti-aircraft platoon. From 1970 to 1977 years, Soviet ships entered the Guinean ports of 98 once. In addition, the Soviet Union continued to assist Guinea in training specialists for the country's Navy. Thus, in the Poti training center of the USSR Navy, 1961 specialist for torpedo and patrol boats and 1977 weapons repair specialists were trained from 122 to 6 for years. The officers of the Guinean Navy were trained at the Baku Higher Naval School.

Guinea was also transferred to the SKR-91 Ave. 264, which became the flagship of the Guinean naval forces under the new name Lamine Saoji Kaba. For the preparation of Guinean military sailors who were to serve on the flagship, Soviet officers and midshipmen — the ship’s commander, his assistant, navigator, mechanic, commander of the X-2-3, electricians, engineer, foreman and foreman and boatman — were left on the ship for some time. They trained Guinean specialists before 1980.

In 1984, Sekou Toure died, and soon a military coup occurred in the country and Colonel Lansana Conte came to power. Despite the fact that in the past he spent a whole year studying in the USSR on an accelerated training program for officer personnel, Conte was reoriented to the West. Soviet-Guinean cooperation slowed down, although until the end of the 1980's. our ships continued to enter the ports of Guinea.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 24 August 2018 05: 45
    +1
    Since then, we have not had trusting relations with Portugal ... And the main thing would be because of what ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 August 2018 14: 40
      0
      No not like this. In Portugal, a change of power soon took place.
  2. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 24 August 2018 05: 54
    +9
    In the USSR, many people lived in communal apartments, and the Soviet government spent money and resources to help any cannibal who announced the socialist path of development of his tribe. And in most cases, everything ended the same way as in Guinea - the new king was bought up by the West and said goodbye to the USSR. It also happened with Egypt, which built the Aswan Dam and not only for free.
    1. ilyaros
      24 August 2018 06: 47
      +19
      All powers and even "power candidates" are trying to spread their influence in other countries, including by investing money. In the United States, many people live in tents and African American "ghettos", and the American administration spends money and resources to help any cannibal who has announced the building of democracy. In fact, even Iran is funding Yemeni Houthis and Lebanese Shiites, Saudi is investing in most of the Islamic countries of Africa and Asia. What did the Soviet Union have to do? Give Africa completely to the Americans, British and French? Well, as for the tsar - in the end, the tsar changed in the USSR itself and abandoned without the help of all the satellites of the Union in the third world and destroyed his own state.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 24 August 2018 09: 33
        +9
        From 1970 to 1977, Soviet ships entered the Guinean ports 98 times.

        Ilya, of course, thank you for covering those old events, but you wrote something superficially, so let’s say why did the Soviet ships 98 come into Conakry once?
        In 1960, the USSR began helping the Republic of Guinea to build a modern airfield in Conakry, which was designed to receive heavy aircraft

        Why did the USSR spend people's money on the construction of this airfield? Ilya, it's not in vain that I ask these questions, detailed coverage of these episodes would not give an opportunity for some "Mayakhataskraischik" to say provocative nonsense ...
        Quote: Krasnodar
        In the USSR, many people lived in communal apartments, and the Soviet government spent money and resources to help any cannibal

        Now about Yuri Grigorievich Ilinykh .... you somehow circumvented the fact that the Ilinykh was dismissed with strict reprimand from the post of destroyer commander and only the intercession of the ambassador and the second secretary of the embassy (KGB) saved the career of captain 2 rank!
        ...... and in general, that story had a lot of interesting things!
        hi
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 August 2018 10: 46
          +6
          Quote: Serg65
          Now about Yuri Grigorievich Ilinykh .... you somehow circumvented the fact that the Ilinykh was dismissed with strict reprimand from the post of destroyer commander and only the intercession of the ambassador and the second secretary of the embassy (KGB) saved the career of captain 2 rank!

          In that story, the command of the Navy did not prove to be the best. Ilyins repeatedly sent reports to Moscow - but received the only answer:
          To the commander of the destroyer "Experienced". Use of weapons only with the permission of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy.

          But when it was all over, the Ilyins, upon returning EM to Conakry, were immediately removed from office, after which the chief of the Navy Main Staff for two days demanded to clarify the actions of EM almost every minute.
          Only the intervention of the army and the Foreign Ministry saved the Ilyins:
          Fulfillment of the task by the captain of the 2nd rank Ilyin Yu.G. evaluated by President Sekou Toure as a great victory over the mercenaries of imperialism. Sekou Toure, through the Soviet government, initiates a motion to promote Comrade Ilinykh Yu.G. Captain 2nd rank Ilyins Yu.G. completed the task brilliantly, with great political effect and tact. Strong-willed and decisive qualities of comrade Ilinykh Yu.G. and his crew are highly appreciated by the Soviet ambassador A.P. Ratanov and the staff of advisers, for which they deserve well-deserved encouragement.
          © Chief Military Advisor Major General F.V. Chicherin
          After that, the commander of the KSF even declared gratitude to the "reinstated" commander of the EM.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 August 2018 12: 10
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In that story, the command of the Navy did not perform well

            In the days of the Union, these were the traditional actions of the command of the Navy of the USSR, nobody wanted to take the burden on their shoulders, and why if there is already a ready absolution!
            Hello Alexey hi
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 24 August 2018 14: 05
              +4
              Greetings! hi
              Quote: Serg65
              In the days of the Union, these were the traditional actions of the command of the Navy of the USSR, nobody wanted to take the burden on their shoulders, and why if there is already a ready absolution!

              Yes ... but in this case, the command of the fleet was clearly in a hurry - not only did it remove the commander from his post after the relatively successful completion of the operation, but also did it before the final clarification of the position of the "top" - thus going against the "boots" and the Foreign Ministry ... No, wait a couple of days ... smile
              By the way, during the evacuation from Somalia, the detachment of 8 OPESK ships also went beyond the existing powers without the permission of the Center. And nothing happened.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 24 August 2018 17: 39
          +2
          Cap 2 made a courageous decision. Respect.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 24 August 2018 10: 09
        -1
        All powers and even "power candidates" are trying to spread their influence in other countries, including by investing money. In the United States, many people live in tents and African American "ghettos", and the American administration spends money and resources to help any cannibal who has announced the building of democracy. In fact, even Iran is funding Yemeni Houthis and Lebanese Shiites, Saudi is investing in most of the Islamic countries of Africa and Asia. What did the Soviet Union have to do? Give Africa completely to the Americans, British and French? Well, as for the tsar - in the end, the tsar changed in the USSR itself and abandoned without the help of all the satellites of the Union in the third world and destroyed his own state.[i] [/ i]
        In the United States, the pension is around $ 2000 and the average salary is over 4 a month. They can afford it. But, unlike the Union, they do not particularly forgive debts, and their "freebie" always has a return.
        And the USSR should have spent more on its people, then the Union would not have collapsed. Most likely.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 August 2018 10: 26
          -1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The USSR should have spent more on its people, then the Union would not have collapsed. Most likely.

          The union would have collapsed anyway, not depending on spending on the people!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 24 August 2018 10: 39
            +1
            Not sure, though ... What were the mistakes? Among other things, in lies. Constant. About the decaying West, where only the party could go, and then, without a family. Why? Because it was actually clear who was boiling diapers and was in line for cervelat meat gum and toilet paper - hard as sandpaper, and who calmly changed diapers and took whatever his heart desires of good quality and without queues. So, if they raised the welfare of their citizens, while maintaining social guarantees at the level of those existing in the USSR, then no one would want to change anything or throw somewhere else from the country. Especially after free visits to the same West.
            Instead, they spent a lot of money on Arabs, Africans and the devil with a mandatory "anti-imperialist" orientation. And the result is obvious - the USSR collapsed.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 August 2018 12: 33
              +6
              Quote: Krasnodar
              So, if they would raise the welfare of their citizens, while maintaining social guarantees at the level existing in the USSR, then no one would like to change anything or bring down the country

              My friend, unfortunately, you did not understand the reason for the collapse of the USSR request
              Quote: Krasnodar
              What were the mistakes?

              Stalin created an administrative-economic system and it worked with only one single minus, for such a system an intelligent administrator is needed in one person! Stalin died (or was killed), loyal Stalinists staged a squabble for power, and it was Beria who laid the foundation for liberal ideas. Khrushchev won, but Nikita liked the ideas of Lavrenty, the first experiment of future Kosygin reforms was carried out in Hungary, the experiment ended in unrest, the second was in Czechoslovakia and Poland, if the situation in Poland was initially managed to be controlled, then in Czechoslovakia the innovations also failed , and both in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Poland, the role of Comrade Andropov, the chief reformer of the socialist system, was noticeable! The reformers were not embarrassed by their mistakes and they continued to advance their idea already in the USSR, but again they didn’t take into account that, the Market and Socialism in the Soviet interpretation are incompatible things, and even the Wall Street guys set up their shoulder!
              1. vladcub
                vladcub 24 August 2018 13: 59
                +5
                Sergey, it’s easier for me to apply, I completely agree with you in Stalin’s assessment: under Stalin, the system worked perfectly, and his receivers could not continue and even began to destroy. For example: an excellent plant with appropriate care can grow and grow, and instead of watering, the gardener begins to tamp the ground and break the plant.
                Regarding L. A. Beria: I read the Kremlin, in my opinion, a smart and truthful historian, diaries of Beria and came to a conclusion. Beria is far from being the monster that N. S. Khrushchev and his followers introduced him to; he was an intelligent and hardworking person, and that already means a lot. If you look at how many responsibilities Stalin placed on him in the war and think that Stalin wanted it worse or how best to put everything on Beria?
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 24 August 2018 14: 14
                  +5
                  Quote: vladcub
                  Beria is far from being the monster N. S. Khrushchev introduced him to

                  what Khrushchev’s own blood elbows and he had to hide for someone, so he chose Beria, especially since he killed 2’s hares, removed his competitor and destroyed the dirt on himself. Well, Nikita avenged Stalin for the executed son!
                  Quote: vladcub
                  If you look at how many responsibilities Steel placed on him

                  Stalin had two workhorses, Beria and Serov, and they treated each other very negatively!
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 25 August 2018 03: 51
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              ...... spent a bunch of dough on Arabs, Africans and the devil with a mandatory "anti-imperialist" orientation. And the result is obvious - ----

              There was respect for the USSR in the world. And now ---- this wealth of our compatriots spend this pile of dough on themselves, pouring mud on the country.
              And Sekou Toure was hanged by the Minister of Finance for treason. The cleverest leader. Yes, and punished other traitors at the top! As written in the article.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 25 August 2018 20: 46
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          And the USSR should have spent more on its people, then the Union would not have collapsed. Most likely.

          Stupidity and the trading mafia destroyed the USSR. And of course, the wise policy of the Central Committee of the CPSU under the no less wise leadership of M, S, Gorbachev and his toadies.
        3. Moskovit
          Moskovit 26 August 2018 19: 19
          -1
          Tell us about such a sn and a pension to Americans. Here they will rejoice for themselves!
      3. Warrior2015
        Warrior2015 24 August 2018 10: 42
        +5
        Dear Ilya, I am very glad that you entered into the discussion! Let me ask you a few questions about the material?

        Quote: ilyaros
        In the US, many people live in tents and African American "ghettos"
        And what is the share of these "few"? and the question - do you personally know the amount of benefits for the poor non-working in the United States?

        Quote: ilyaros
        In fact, even Iran finances Yemen Hussites and Lebanese Shiites,
        The question is - and what does it give him? Satisfying geopolitical ambitions for ayatollahs? and - the main thing - what does it give to the Iranian people, who lives oh, how sweet it is !? Do you think that a periodically boiling wave of popular protests is there - only provocations of Washington and Riyadh?

        Quote: ilyaros
        What should the Soviet Union do?
        Conduct a more rational socio-economic policy and measure the goals and resources, you see, there would be no general economic collapse of the country in 80 and there would be no logical collapse of the year, and we could live in the Soviet variant of China.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 24 August 2018 10: 55
          -1
          We could live in the Soviet version of Singapore. With an abundance of minerals, a research base, an excellent education system in fundamental subjects, as well as the intellectual potential of the country and the enthusiasm of the masses.
        2. Army soldier2
          Army soldier2 24 August 2018 11: 49
          +4
          Quote: Warrior2015
          ... and we could live in the Soviet version of China.

          China, by the way, has been aggressively expanding in Africa over the past decade. But, he comes with investments and earns. And the USSR-was spending. The result - trillions of full-fledged Soviet rubles were wasted, and debts written off. And in the allies, as were the army and navy, they remained.
          Probably, we can conclude that the policy towards Africa was flawed and did not correspond to the interests of the Soviet people.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 24 August 2018 13: 01
            +5
            Quote: Army 2
            And in the allies, as were the army and navy, they remained.

            Well, if the allies had not been thrown over the knee, then maybe, in addition to the army and navy, there were allies!
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 24 August 2018 12: 59
          +7
          Quote: Warrior2015
          Conduct more rational socio-economic policies and measure goals and resources

          Mikhail, specifically for Conakry (Guinea), the USSR received more than it invested! Not far from Guinea are the Cape Verde Islands, and this is an excellent fishing area with a rich fish fauna! Not only warships for guarding the fishing area, but also Soviet fishermen engaged in industrial fishing in this area were based on Conakria. In addition to protecting fisheries, Soviet ships controlled the Atlantic section of the Buenos Aires-Novorossiysk line, which supplied the much-needed wheat for the Union! The airfield in Conakra was built not so much for Moscow-Havana flights as for the base of the TU-95RC, possessing air bases in Jose Marti (Cuba) and Conakry, the naval aviation of the USSR Navy was able to control a huge area of ​​the central Atlantic!
          1. Deck
            Deck 24 August 2018 13: 50
            +1
            Without TU-95RC fishing is impossible? Poor Japanese, Australians, Canadians, and Chileans. I worry about them - how do the poor survive? Oh yes, they are not an empire!
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 August 2018 14: 35
              +7
              Quote: Deck
              Without TU-95RC fishing is impossible?

              My dear Partti, the scout-target designator serves completely different "steamers", which are not owned by the Japanese, not by the Australians, not by the Canadians, not by the Chileans, and even more so the Germans NEVER had, and in the near future they will not!
              1. Deck
                Deck 24 August 2018 16: 42
                -1
                There were ships (which also will not be in the near future!) And so, they helped a lot? I believe that these toys accelerated the death of the USSR. It would be better if BMRT and BATs were built.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 24 August 2018 15: 34
              +5
              Quote: Deck
              Without TU-95RC fishing is impossible?

              I will not say about the Tu-95RC, but fishing in the waters of Africa without fleet ships was extremely difficult. Either our fishermen, in pursuit of the school, will crawl out of the area of ​​permitted fishing, or the next young African state will decide to assert itself at the expense of others.
              However, we are not the only ones - just remember the cod wars of Iceland and Britain.
              Iceland (thoughtfully). I have seven ships. Britain has about a hundred. (rubbing his hands) It will be a great victory worthy of our Viking ancestors!
          2. Warrior2015
            Warrior2015 24 August 2018 14: 31
            +3
            Quote: Serg65
            Not far from Guinea are Cape Verde Islands, and this is an excellent fishing area with a rich fish fauna! Not only warships guarding the fishing area but also Soviet fishermen engaged in industrial fishing in the area were based on Conakria. In addition to the protection of fisheries, the Soviet ships controlled the Atlantic segment of the Buenos Aires-Novorossiysk line, along which wheat, which was so necessary for the Union, was supplied! The airfield in Conakra was built not so much for flights Moscow-Havana, as for basing TU-95РЦ, having air bases in José Martí (Cuba) and in Conakry naval aviation of the USSR Navy was able to control the huge area of ​​the central Atlantic!

            Thank you, Sergey, interesting information, did not know. Although with regard to Cuba, it seems that the basing of our "strategists" was prohibited there by the agreements following the Cuban missile crisis, no?

            But all the same - exceptions only confirm the rules ... and unfortunately the Russian Federation continues the policy of the USSR towards Africa - they have recently written off a lot of debts again ... Although, I must say, some of our concerns on the Black Continent quite so pragmatically continue what started in 90s are a policy of mutual cooperation in terms of business (but at the same time they are among the others - the same Western concerns).
          3. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 24 August 2018 15: 13
            +4
            Quote: Serg65
            ...... Soviet ships controlled the Atlantic section of the Buenos Aires-Novorossiysk line, which supplied the wheat so necessary for the Union! The airfield in Conakra was built not so much for Moscow-Havana flights as for the basing of the TU-95RC, possessing air bases in Jose Marti (Cuba) and Conakry, the naval aviation of the USSR Navy was able to control a huge area of ​​the central Atlantic!
            Great information! He didn’t know anything. Greetings, Sergey! Thank you very much!
      4. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 24 August 2018 15: 03
        +1
        Yes, is it really only in Africa, Ilya? Stalin had grandiose long-term programs, completely destroyed. Thus, all the funds and labor expended on them were reset. Later, other long-term programs appeared that were again destroyed by the leadership, by those new kings.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 24 August 2018 07: 22
      0
      birds of a feather flock together.
      and cannibal sees cannibal?

      everyone intrigues against everyone, always
    3. ultra
      ultra 24 August 2018 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Krasnodar
      In the USSR, many people lived in communal apartments,

      In the USSR, which you don’t like, people got apartments for FREE, there was a free high-quality education. People received tickets to sanatoriums and rest houses for a mere penny, or even free of charge. The USSR was a social state in the full sense of the word. And what is it the rotting west or not, I personally don’t care. I am more concerned about how Russia will develop.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 25 August 2018 04: 03
        -1
        [quote = ultra] [quote = Krasnodar] ..... I am more worried about how Russia will develop. [/ quote] When there were articles about the events in Czechoslovakia and how the Czechs qualified them now ---- I remembered 2x apologies for Katyn . Came home, turned on the TV ---- on some channel ----- vote, "" Do I need to apologize for the events in Czechoslovakia ""
        To the USSR did not climb with pritenzii. Here that !!!!
  3. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 12: 48
    -1
    Quote: Serg65
    Why did the USSR spend national money on the construction of this airfield?

    If this territory belonged to the USSR, then yes it would work. Like Guantanamo America. And so, alas, it was a waste of money and labor, of course. If diplomacy is subordinate to utopian false doctrine, then such punctures are the norm.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 24 August 2018 14: 40
      +3
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      If this territory belonged to the USSR

      Do you think the USSR needed an ocean fleet?
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 15: 34
        -2
        The USSR did not pull the ocean fleet. These are realities.
  4. Koshnitsa
    Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Serg65
    Roma fishing protection, Soviet ships controlled the Atlantic section of the line Buenos Aires-Novorossiysk, which supplied the much-needed wheat for the Union!

    Was there any need for this?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 24 August 2018 14: 41
      +3
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Was there any need for this?

      And you know, it was even very sharp! Right now, Russia sells wheat, and in those days often bought it!
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 15: 07
        0
        Of the 18 years of the reign of Brezhnev, 15 years bought.
        Did someone interfere with the sailing of commercial ships with grain in those years? More specifically, plz.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 August 2018 15: 26
      +5
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      Was there any need for this?

      Apparently, after the blockade of Cuba and a series of incidents in the Taiwan area, the Soviet leadership considered it necessary to insure international law at sea with armed force.
      1. Koshnitsa
        Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 15: 33
        -2
        In short, it was an extra waste of resources to escort merchant ships in a military convoy in peacetime. Even detente was in full swing, and Soviet resources were wasted. And they, as it turned out, were not unlimited.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 24 August 2018 17: 08
          +4
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          In short, an extra waste of resources to accompany merchant ships in peacetime with a military convoy.

          And who wrote about the escort? "Line control" is the usual watch of ships in the area (or at the base in readiness to leave). In short, a long hike.
          Convoying was used only in hazardous areas - such as Yemen-Somalia-Eritrea. Here, everything happened - such as placing a smoke curtain under enemy fire to cover escorted ships or to battle MTSC with artillery boats.
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 20: 33
            -3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            this is the usual duty of ships in the area (or at the base in readiness for departure).

            In any case, these are costs that are absolutely unnecessary. There were no cases of hijacking of Soviet ships or ships with cargo for the USSR. But there were costs.
            Nobody interfered, except of course with ideology, to squeeze part of the coast off Guinea, build a base and do what they wanted there, but like Marx forbade doing obvious things and the congress confirmed
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 27 August 2018 10: 38
              +1
              Quote: Koshnitsa

              In any case, these are costs that are absolutely unnecessary. There were no cases of hijacking of Soviet ships or ships with cargo for the USSR. But there were costs.

              With the same success we can say that the Strategic Missile Forces - these are costs that are absolutely unnecessary. After all, there were no cases of nuclear war? smile
  5. vladcub
    vladcub 24 August 2018 13: 14
    +3
    Quote: Serg65
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The USSR should have spent more on its people, then the Union would not have collapsed. Most likely.

    The union would have collapsed anyway, not depending on spending on the people!

    By and large, you are right, but it’s psychologically difficult to accept that you were doomed
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 24 August 2018 14: 46
      +3
      Quote: vladcub
      psychologically difficult to accept that they were doomed

      I really understand, but you won’t erase words from a song!
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 24 August 2018 18: 46
        +4
        Serezha, thank you for the detailed and "undercover" explanations. And then some just think with their guts full of guts: “What did we have?”
  6. Flavius
    Flavius 24 August 2018 16: 07
    -1
    Instead of helping good white people drive all the trash back onto palm trees, Soviet leaders threw out people's money to help these wretched people.
    Now they blame the modern government for corruption, so the Soviet government plundered the national treasures on a cosmic scale, transferring resources to the lumbums and fidel.
    1. Koshnitsa
      Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 16: 14
      -3
      Such an ideology was in the USSR. The Soviet leaders were forced to do this, otherwise why would socialism exist at all, without the help of developing countries? Nobody really understood her, and he could not explain to the Soviet people why they needed to feed Guineans and another 90 countries.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 24 August 2018 17: 12
      +8
      Quote: Flavius
      Now they blame the modern government for corruption, so the Soviet government plundered the national treasures on a cosmic scale, transferring resources to the lumbums and fidel.

      But I’ll ask Fedya not to offend - it was the Cubans who were our main ally in Africa. In fact, the USSR in Africa fought with the hands of Cubans - on land and in the air.
      1. Deck
        Deck 24 August 2018 17: 30
        -4
        Why fought? What did our country ultimately get from this, apart from wasted money?
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 24 August 2018 18: 44
          +7
          Purely consumer interest. And what will I get for this? In Pikul’s novel “I Have Honor” there is a wonderful phrase: “May Russia be magnified, may our names disappear.” This is not about you. About you: “A basket of cookies and a barrel of jam.”
          1. Koshnitsa
            Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 18: 58
            -1
            In this case, the Soviet Union disappeared. And somehow shamefully so, for some reason no one went to defend it.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 25 August 2018 14: 51
              +1
              And to whom to protect? "Smart" need only 40 varieties of sausage over the hill. Do you remember Zheglov’s phrase when Fox shot an ambush? You were not thinking of your comrades, but of a house with a hog. That's because of the house with the hog and there was no one.
          2. Deck
            Deck 24 August 2018 21: 06
            -1
            This is the reasoning of a person who has not earned a dime of money, who has received either a salary or monetary allowance. Let the women on the collective farms hunch over me, and so handsome with epaulettes. What is the greatness of Russia? The fact that we feed blacks in Africa? Or 20 million below the poverty line? Another fan of leaving the show off at the expense of the people. Drones
            1. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 24 August 2018 23: 17
              +2
              Quote: Deck
              What is the greatness of Russia? The fact that we feed blacks in Africa? Or 20 million below the poverty line? Another fan of leaving the show off at the expense of the people. Drones

              A typical example of petty-bourgeois psychology: "I! Me! Mine!" !!! laughing State interests - let them go through the forest! The main thing is that b I!!! communism, in one, separately taken, HISbuilt an apartment (moreover, if someone doesn’t succeed, then, too, let them go through the forest and do not interfere TO ME, successful, enjoy life.) !!! Here, through this Union, at the suggestion of Khrushch, and "sailed".
              1. Koshnitsa
                Koshnitsa 24 August 2018 23: 25
                0
                The nutrition of blacks and the state interests of Russia and the national interests of the Russian people?
                Where is the relationship? By the way, friendship with the Afro-Asians, just started Leninist Khrushchev.
                1. Han Tengri
                  Han Tengri 25 August 2018 00: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  The nutrition of blacks and the state interests of Russia and the national interests of the Russian people?
                  Where is the relationship?

                  Well, where ?! "If you do not feed a negro, then your geopolitical enemy will feed him. Do you need it ?!" (c) (I, beloved laughing )
                  1. Koshnitsa
                    Koshnitsa 25 August 2018 00: 24
                    0
                    Then they will be fed by NATO soldiers.
                    Previously, they were fed by King Leopold, but it was a little time!
                    1. Han Tengri
                      Han Tengri 25 August 2018 00: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Koshnitsa
                      Then they will be fed by NATO soldiers.

                      AND? Imagine that you are the leader of the USSR, RI, RF ... The question is the same: "Do you need it?"
                      PS I will hint, "subtly": Whoever "Negro" dines - he dances! laughing
                      1. Koshnitsa
                        Koshnitsa 25 August 2018 01: 03
                        +1
                        A little bit wrong, fix it.
                        With whom the Negro is having dinner, that Negro is having dinner !!! good
                        How Bokassa was excited when he kissed Leonid Ilyich on the lips. I felt his taste.
                        So the blacks and other friends ate the USSR crying
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 25 August 2018 04: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    Well, where ?! "If you do not feed a negro, then your geopolitical enemy will feed him. Do you need it ?!" (c) (I, beloved laughing )
                    How the Angles fed President Banda. (Article by Ilya Polonsky) And how the Union fell apart ---- they threw it !!!!! That is, the Angles did what the USSR did
                    What about blacks? They said thanks and tried to adopt a socialist ideology. They promised at least) And now --- who at the trough ---- what do they say? What promise.
              2. Deck
                Deck 25 August 2018 06: 43
                -1
                communism, in one, separately taken, OWN, apartment built


                Prefer to build communism with blacks? What are the state interests you are talking about all the time? Can you clearly explain?
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 25 August 2018 14: 48
              +1
              Follow your tongue. I live by the principle of Where I was born, it fit in there, I earn my money and pension honestly, I didn’t run over 40 grades of sausage over a hill. And yes, I work on a collective farm with women, in Germany, toilets are washed in the bastard.
              1. Deck
                Deck 26 August 2018 07: 13
                -2
                What kind of nonsense are you gracious?
          3. Han Tengri
            Han Tengri 24 August 2018 23: 25
            +2
            Quote: Okolotochny
            In Pikul’s novel “I Have Honor” there is a wonderful phrase: “May Russia be magnified, may our names disappear.” This is not about you. About you: “A basket of cookies and a barrel of jam.”

            "And everyone on the drakkar agreed that it was a good idea!" (c) +++, definitely!
            1. Koshnitsa
              Koshnitsa 25 August 2018 01: 11
              +2
              Despite the fact that in the past he had studied for a year in the USSR on an accelerated training program for officers, Conte reoriented himself to the West.He ate, thank you all, everyone is free, dear Soviet friends. tongue
  7. Super Ponch
    Super Ponch 5 November 2018 21: 31
    0
    The interests of the USSR and Russia in the Republic of Guinea are searched online for the following keywords: bauxite, Debele mine, Nikolaev Alumina Refinery, etc. The fact that aluminum is a strategic metal, I think, everyone here already knows.
  8. Idris Idrisov
    Idris Idrisov April 2 2019 21: 11
    0
    In 1070, a 10 year old kid in the 4th grade of a Guinean school for de
    A team of Soviet specialists was met by Soviet sailors in the port of Conakry. How long has it been.