India decided to purchase machine guns. And they are not Russian

August 22 2018

The Indian military command decided on the volume of purchases of the main machine guns for the infantry units of the country. The Security and Defense Council of India confirmed its interest in purchasing for the needs of the LMG machine gun army, chambered for 7.62x51 mm. This is one of the versions of the machine gun "Negev" from the Israeli manufacturer Israel Military Industries (Negev NG-7 and Negev NG-7 SF), focused on NATO ammunition.

Indian media reported that a contract was signed for the supply of such machine guns to the 40949 Indian military forces. At the same time, it is emphasized that the contract is implemented within the framework of the “Buy and Make Indian” program in India (Buy and make Indian).

India decided to purchase machine guns. And they are not Russian

30,7 thousand units of this small weapons as stated, the private Indian industry will produce under a foreign general license, the remaining 10 with more than a thousand LMG - Ordnance Factory Board, which also has a corresponding license from Israeli partners.

It is noted that the large-scale purchase of machine guns (LMG) will be the first major change of small arms for the Indian army in 20 years.

The main requirement of Indian buyers in the conclusion of contracts for the supply of weapons was that the new machine guns were compatible with the available accessories, including sights (and night vision too).

Israeli accessory

All ordered machine guns for the Indian Armed Forces must be executed (under contract) in black and gray with non-reflective surfaces.

Earlier, it must be recalled, India considered the option of acquiring small arms from Russia. In particular, they talked about the weapons of the Kalashnikov concern. However, as a result, it was decided to abandon the purchase of Russian machine guns and machine guns.

For reference: mass Negev NG-7 - 7,95 kg, rate of fire - up to 750 shots per minute. Total length - 1,1 m.

Photos used:: https://iwi.net

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andrewkor 22 August 2018 09: 00
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Is this the concept of AK-RPK or am I mistaken?
1. uskrabut 22 August 2018 09: 18
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  As far as I remember, Israel copied AK, under its brand and cosmetic changes
  1. voyaka uh 22 August 2018 09: 51
    
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    There was no need to copy AK to Israel. In three wars, several hundred thousand Soviet AKs were in trophies in excellent condition (many were even unpacked). They were adopted for some period. And sold to many countries.
    1. avt 22 August 2018 11: 48
      
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      There was no need to copy AK to Israel.
      
      Azohenway! I'm too shy to ask - Why then copied? Well, this is for Galil .... Oh Wei! Bitter for me! You didn't copy it, you just took Finnish as a basis
      Valmet Rk 62,
      Well, what is the demand for dates?
      1. Vadim Golubkov 22 August 2018 21: 25
        
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        But in vain you laugh, after the collapse of the USSR, so much went to the USA and Israel ... Merkava 4 was partially created according to the USSR technologies, and the Jews themselves are not fools in the military and scientific fields.
    2. Vadim Golubkov 22 August 2018 21: 22
      
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      You still forget that many military technologies passed to you ... you could say for that ... because in our country after the collapse of the USSR there was a mess ....
  2. voyaka uh 22 August 2018 09: 56
    
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    If you mean Galil, very similar to AK, then Israel bought a license for Finnish Valmet, which is also licensed from Kalashnikov.
    Galil is now not used by the IDF, is exported to those countries that want something similar to AK in terms of reliability, but improved.
    1. Kent0001 22 August 2018 09: 58
      
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      This is probably what was meant.
    2. avt 22 August 2018 14: 07
      
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Galil is not in service with the IDF,
      
      Azochenway! Taki now
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      There was no need to copy AK to Israel.
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      not in service with the IDF
      
      Now the same thing! ??
  3. Zaurbek 22 August 2018 12: 25
    
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    Israel bought a license from the Finns for their version of AK .... everything is legal. Galil modified and created a NATO cartridge (under two cartridges) and a Sniper.
  4. Krasnodar 22 August 2018 14: 30
    
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    As far as I remember, Israel copied AK, under its brand and cosmetic changes
    
    You are confused with the Galil assault rifle. Israelis (not specialists) call it a hybrid of AK and M-16, in fact, the concept of the assault rifle of the Finnish company Valmet was taken, which was really lapped (partially) from a Kalashnikov assault rifle. At the same time, the Israelis made many of their changes.
2. Greg Miller 22 August 2018 09: 19
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  But who needs our machine guns chambered for 7,62x54? The cartridge with a fringe is out of date 80 years ago !!! The mechanism for removing such a cartridge from the tape makes the machine gun itself more difficult and adds almost 1,5 kg of weight. In the late 80s in the USSR they wanted to replace this cartridge with 6x48, even a machine gun and a sniper rifle were already developed for it, but the collapse of the country did not allow this ...
  1. Alex_59 22 August 2018 10: 25
    
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    Quote: Greg Miller
    The mechanism for removing such a cartridge from the tape makes the machine gun itself more difficult and adds almost 1,5 kg of weight.
    How, then, is the good old PKM machine gun under 7,62x54R still lighter than the latest lightweight modification of the M240LW under 7,62x51?
    Who cares if there is a welt there or not, if the product for this cartridge is more reliable, lighter and more powerful?
    1. Greg Miller 22 August 2018 11: 57
      
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      I tell you about the warm, and you about the soft. What does M240LW have to do with it, maybe we will also remember "Maxim"? Developed in the mid-eighties at the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (Central Research Institute TochMash), the new unified cartridge provided a reasonable balance between the dimensions of the cartridge and the weapon, a sufficiently large effective firing range and moderate recoil due to the transition to a caliber reduced to 6mm. In this caliber, several types of ammunition were tested in the USSR, but the closest to potential adoption was the 6x49 cartridge, for which a lightweight single machine gun based on the PKM was developed at the Central Research Institute TochMash. The new experimental machine gun, due to the better ballistics of the cartridge (a bullet weighing 5 grams, accelerated to a speed of about 1100 m / s, which, however, determined very high working pressures in the barrel when fired), provided better flatness of shooting. It was also lighter and simpler in design, since the new cartridge did not have a protruding rim and allowed direct feed from the tape into the barrel. With a mass of only 6.5 kg (on a bipod, without cartridges) ("Pecheneg" on a bipod and without cartridges weighs 8,2 kg), the new machine gun developed by the Central Research Institute of TochMash provided an effective firing range of up to 1500 meters, while the accuracy of shooting practically increased compared to the PKM twice, and the mass of the wearable ammunition for a given number of cartridges decreased by a third. Development in this area continued until the early nineties, but the economic chaos caused by the collapse of the USSR, apparently, buried this, of course, an interesting development.
      1. Alex_59 22 August 2018 14: 16
        
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        Quote: Greg Miller
        I tell you about the warm, and you tell me about the soft.
        
        That's it. If you have not noticed, then from your own text it is clearly visible that the matter is not in the presence of a cartridge welt, but in the accurate selection of the characteristics of the entire cartridge-weapon complex. The outstanding characteristics with the 6x49 cartridge were obtained primarily not because it does not have a rim, but because it is a completely new cartridge and an almost new machine gun for it. Nobody argues with the fact that the age of the 7,62x54 cartridge has tightened, but the fact is that it is still available in wild quantities, it costs a penny and there is a weapon for it that satisfies the military. After that, to call it obsolete language does not turn. Re-equipment for a new cartridge will cost wild money - sooner or later of course it will have to be done. True, there is still such an opinion - until there is a fundamental breakthrough in the shooter (switching to lasers, guided bullets, cartridgeless cartridges, etc.) there is no sense at all bothering with the creation of another traditional cartridge and weapons for it. The increase in characteristics will not be so significant as to spend huge money on it.
        And by the way, about the 6x49 - it can still be for the better that they didn’t switch to it, it’s not known what’s happening with the armor penetration of modern bulletproof vests that are already saving from firing at point blank range from 5,45, but not yet from 7,62x54.
        
        Greg Miller 22 August 2018 17: 35
        
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        Of course, the smaller caliber and cartridge size reduce the weight of the weapon. But believe me, the lack of a mechanism for removing a cartridge from a tape reduces this mass much more radically ...
      2. Kot_Kuzya 22 August 2018 14: 33
        
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        Cartridge 7,62 * 54 of course outdated due to its rim. But it is thanks to the edge of the cartridge and weapons under this cartridge are very cheap, reliable and simple. And in the war of attrition, these are the main factors. Yes, and PKM, Pecheneg and SVD are quite modern weapons; it is not for nothing that PKM is loved all over the world due to its reliability, power and simplicity.
        
        Greg Miller 22 August 2018 17: 30
        
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        Based on your logic, it turns out that all Russian (Soviet) cartridges except 7,62x54 (the only one with a rim) are unreliable, expensive and difficult? Then why were they adopted?
        
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        The cartridge with a rim is very suitable for machine guns with tape power. But for magazine weapons, which are AK and PM, cartridges with a groove are better suited, which are cartridges 7,62 * 39, 5,45 * 39 and 9 * 18.
  2. yushch 22 August 2018 12: 56
    
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    Regarding weight, you're wrong. The Poles of the PC (which they had been releasing since the time of the ATS) decided to transfer to NATO .308. As a result, he gained 1,5 kg in weight.
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  You are mistaken. Belt feed of patrons, as in a PC, and cartridge 7.62 +51.
4. Aaron Zawi 22 August 2018 10: 51
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  Is this the concept of AK-RPK or am I mistaken?
  
  Not. The Negev is fully developed in Israel.
  1. Zaurbek 22 August 2018 12: 26
    
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    And it seems to me that this is a variant of FN, modified in Israel.
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      And it seems to me that this is a variant of FN, modified in Israel.
      
      Not . It is visible.
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    And, by the way, a good machine gun ...
5. svp67 22 August 2018 13: 41
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  Is this the concept of AK-RPK or am I mistaken?
  More like an assault machine gun, like our RPK-16 looks like ...
  My webpage
6. san4es 22 August 2018 15: 19
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  Is this the concept of AK-RPK or am I mistaken?
  
  ... Rather, RMB 7,62x53
  
  ... LMG 7.62x51 mm ... lighter only
7. Romanenko 23 August 2018 10: 11
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  The PKK doesn’t roll under 7,62X51, and the power supply from the tape for the PKK is not at all typical, and the Israeli machine gun also has a gas outlet from the bottom, so it’s rather a PC clone.
  But what it is time for ours in Kalashnikov to reconsider is the use of our 7,62x54 cartridge with a flanged sleeve. It is quite possible that one of the reasons for the refusal is the use of this "museum" cartridge in Russian weapons.
  On the one hand, it is extremely cheap to manufacture, and on the other, it is already so archaic that its use is somewhat shocking, probably for potential buyers.
  We should have at least exported weapons under international and NATO ammunition.
  Moreover, they just presented AKs under 7,62x51 NATO
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    The PKK doesn’t roll under 7,62X51, and the power supply from the tape for the PKK is not at all typical, and the Israeli machine gun also has a gas outlet from the bottom, so it’s rather a PC clone.
    
    The PC clone does not smell there for several reasons. Let's start with the fact that Israeli industry has always been oriented to the west, so first of all this is the concept of the FN Minimi machine gun.
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  FN Minimi, to be more precise. At the same time and tape and store food - depending on the need
Smoked 22 August 2018 09: 01
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Because the Indian tender, without the corruption component, it certainly didn’t play the role of annoying the Americans. From this incidentally, the news about the new AK-308 for sale in third world countries looked funny.
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  From this incidentally, the news about the new AK-308 for sale in third world countries looked funny.
  Yes, apparently the legs from this tender ...
  1. Zaurbek 22 August 2018 12: 27
    
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    And who prevented making Pecheneg under 7,62x51?
    1. Nikolai 22 August 2018 13: 48
      
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      And who prevented making Pecheneg under 7,62x51?
      
      So he probably also exists ..., I think we will hear more ..., our participants were definitely participating in the tender ...
2. d1975 23 August 2018 23: 26
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  It is time for the Hindus to do the Kama Sutra to the fullest; we don’t need to be already good Vanya! Pakistan is just waiting for this reversal!
bessmertniy 22 August 2018 09: 14
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Decently decided to rearm. Visibly spurring tensions with China and Pakistan.
rotmistr60 22 August 2018 09: 21
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Obviously, Israel podsuetsilsya more specifically than us. And of course, the role played was “Buy and Make Indian” (buy and make Indian) - selling a production license.
1. faiver 22 August 2018 10: 11
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  Yes, ours would also sell a production license, the Indians produce a bunch of our weapons ...
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    Your truth - the Indians want to pinch off everyone by a piece in terms of production technology. That's just the trouble with implementation - quality fails. And the search for the guilty begins ... Only not in India, but in the supplier of licenses and technologies - you yourself, I think, know examples.
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      from everyone they want to pinch off a piece in terms of technology
      - Yeah, and definitely with the implementation of the problem forever ...
Alexey-74 22 August 2018 09: 37
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Yes, and the flag in their hands, along with Israeli machine guns. Hindus in their repertoire.
DPN 22 August 2018 10: 00
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What the market is offended by, the Indians choose the best and afford it, as they say in Russia they need to keep money in different currencies and burn through.
Engineer 22 August 2018 10: 15
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As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
1. Captain Pushkin 22 August 2018 10: 34
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  As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
  
  The tender was honest - from the very beginning it was clear that the winner would be the one who brought the most.
2. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 11: 29
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  And also in Vietnam, where they bought Galil ACE, in Azerbaijan, where the special forces were armed with "Tavor", in Ukraine, where they produce under license both "Tavor" and "Galil" and "Negev", and in Thailand and in Colombia. ..
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    Quote: Netzah Netzah_2
    And also in Vietnam, where they bought Galil ACE, in Azerbaijan, where the special forces were armed with "Tavor", in Ukraine, where they produce under license both "Tavor" and "Galil" and "Negev", and in Thailand and in Colombia. ..
    
    And in Turkmenistan Turkmenbashi with Tavor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQLV1za7D7s
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    Yes Yes. Outstanding countries, outstanding armies ...
    And all as one are not at all corrupt.
    And Galil with Tavor and Negev Kalashnikov will give 100 points in quality and reliability. After all, the truth! ??
    1. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 19: 20
      
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      In weapons, reliability is an important thing. But not the main one. Otherwise everyone would have fought with a bow and arrow
  3. d1975 23 August 2018 23: 29
    
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    Well, it’s clear who you are and what you are, they won’t let you write the truth, but there’s nothing to respect you (the country), you are doing everything the same way as in ancient times. Nothing has changed - yours!
3. Normal ok 22 August 2018 13: 38
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  As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
  
  Who prevented Russian managers from bringing more? Only greed. Of what was intended for a bribe, half was spent on ourselves.
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    Quote: Engineer
    As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
    
    Who prevented Russian managers from bringing more? Only greed. Of what was intended for a bribe, half was spent on ourselves.
    
    If they had only half left to their loved ones, then they would have won for sure.
  2. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 16: 53
    
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    I don’t know how in India, but in Vietnam, the Russians requested too much for the plant and the license.
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    As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
    
    Who prevented Russian managers from bringing more? Only greed. Of what was intended for a bribe, half was spent on ourselves.
    
    Don’t come up with it. Our people simply don’t participate in tenders for such small things because of 4-5 Lyam dollars, especially with those who constantly brains. This is the same as participating in a tender for the sale of two tanks that are not the fact that they will buy.
  4. d1975 23 August 2018 23: 30
    
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    Have you been there personally or what? This is for you, and here is the politics!
4. Krasnodar 22 August 2018 14: 38
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  As always, Israel in a fair competition brought more money for winning the tender. India is such an India.
  
  What prevented Rosoboronexport from bringing more than the Jews? Well, besides the Russian bureaucratic habit of plucking a piece of itself from a skid as a kickback?
5. stone 22 August 2018 18: 30
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  When you need Jews, the standard of greed, but on the contrary, they do not spare money. How does it all get along But apparently the same as Americans are stupid, but everything is necessary as they have
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Well, Israel - and let yourself. How many machine guns do I need to close one S-400 complex?
1. Altona 22 August 2018 11: 03
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  And how many dances with songs do you need to perform to lower the price?))
2. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 11: 24
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  One Barak-8 for the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier or two short-range Spider air defense systems.
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So they need
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  Work brothers!
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    You are not my brother to me!
    1. Krasnodar 22 August 2018 17: 27
      
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      You are not my brother to me!
      
      How cute, smacks of anti-Semitism
      1. Kot_Kuzya 23 August 2018 00: 16
        
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        Only those concerned about anti-Semitism will see "anti-Semitism" in my expression. You need to be treated, my friend!
      2. d1975 23 August 2018 23: 32
        
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        So for sho respect them land? Give an example? Always, as a rule, the result is one!
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    By the way, another catch phrase appeared in our lexicon:
    Credit hutspa.
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This is of course their personal Indian affair than to fight, but knowing how nasty they are releasing their own weapons, it would be better if they didn’t take on the Indian make up, there will be another parody.
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Negev ..? Isn't that what Georgians had on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX?
1. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 11: 17
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  No, this is a modification of the Negev chambered for 7.62x51. The Georgians had a 5.56 machine gun
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My opinion is that the loss of Kalashnikov was due to the cartridge. Negev uses a rimless cartridge, which today is very popular in self-loading and automatic magazine weapons. Those. adopting a machine gun under the 7,62x51 NATO cartridge will allow in the future to unify (to a certain extent) ammunition with other weapons.
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Our Druze have fun with the Negev:
1. Rusj 22 August 2018 12: 43
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  Poor machine gun what else to say. Steeper than a cliff there is nothing at all.
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    When there is nothing to report or object, it is better to scold
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      And there is objection that just experience! The line from the Cliff to the Tank, if the bullets fall into the mech water area, even the helmet does not save from shell shock. And if the line enters the caterpillar it breaks the link to pieces. I shot a lot with what at the training ground and just saw another weapon shoot. Believe me, there is something to compare.
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        I don’t scold Cliff or other Russian machine guns. If you want to praise Russian weapons, then to your health! But you do not need to start the post with a "poor" stranger.
        Perhaps the Indians shot a lot of tapes from different machine guns before choosing this one?
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    Poor machine gun what else to say. Steeper than a cliff there is nothing at all.
    
    You just troll. This is a different field of berries. For example, a Negev machine gun weighs 8 kg, a Utes machine gun 41 kg + a box with 11 kg cartridges. Go learn the materiel.
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    Poor machine gun what else to say. Steeper than a cliff there is nothing at all.
    
    KPVT, however, will be abruptly ....
2. Rusj 22 August 2018 12: 48
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    To deal with captured weapons is always interesting and honorable. Russian soldiers in Georgia willingly took pictures with captured M-4 Georgians. This does not mean that they used these rifles as personal weapons.
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      To deal with captured weapons is always interesting and honorable. Russian soldiers in Georgia willingly took pictures with captured M-4 Georgians. This does not mean that they used these rifles as personal weapons.
      
      Why not use it? How they used it! At the base in Gori, all the ceiling lights on the territory were shot from them But seriously, many used the M4 as a second barrel due to its low weight .. Our AK-74m with a grenade launcher and optics weighs more than 6 kg. And there were a limited number of 5,45 loaded magazines, so on each "armor" there were several "Emoks" with loadings stuffed with 5,56. As a backup weapon. But of course it was more of a sporting interest in weapons and than of a specific vital necessity. So, they simply insured themselves.
3. brr1 22 August 2018 13: 17
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4. Krasnodar 22 August 2018 14: 45
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  The officer is definitely not drusen (Ashkenaz, most likely) and the Negevist is more likely an Algerian chi Tunisian. Jew, in short.
XXXIII 22 August 2018 12: 33
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Indian media reported that a contract was signed for the supply of such machine guns to the 40949 Indian military forces. At the same time, it is emphasized that the contract is implemented within the framework of the “Buy and Make Indian” program in India (Buy and make Indian).
Well done, and what’s happening with the contract of 800 thousand Kalashnikov AK-103 assault rifles, inaudible that nothing ...
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1. voyaka uh 22 August 2018 13: 28
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  It’s just that some Russians don’t realize that Israel is sometimes pushing Russia out of international arms tenders.
  If the Kalashnikov concern and other Russian arms factories moved faster, treated customers' requirements with understanding, then the results would have been better.
2. borberd 22 August 2018 13: 37
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  Everyone takes ideas from others, and you are no worse and no better than others in this regard.
3. NETZAH NETZAH_2 22 August 2018 17: 28
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  Yes Yes. That is why Israeli high-tech weapons purchase half of Europe. And not only Romanians with Lithuanians, but Germans with Belgians, who do not suffer from a lack of ideas and production capacities.
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... The Israeli arms industry (IWI), part of the SK Group, has been the world leader in the field of innovative small arms systems for over 80 years. Designs and develops weapons of choice for military, national security, and commercial agencies around the world.
IWI weapons and accessories are deployed by the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), as well as other military, police and government agencies around the world, committed to technological innovation, manufacturing excellence and outstanding performance.
Rav Rav 22 August 2018 19: 45
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Well, they tried to AK, it turned out, an ugly log, they themselves admitted, but what if the Jews change their minds? ?
Sergey-8848 22 August 2018 20: 50
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Bourgeois problems in Kalashnikov, tk. greedy. And don’t fucking drag Russia - both in the title and in the test notes
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Jerk 23 August 2018 20: 54
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Quote: voyaka uh
There was no need to copy AK to Israel.

And we don’t know Galila
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Azochenway! So shy to ask - Why then copied?

Purely Jewish logic - quickly whistled is not considered
kos2cool4u 24 August 2018 08: 45
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The most interesting thing will begin when the Indians settle ... with production and begin to blame Israel, the circus will begin !!!))) ...