American Browning M1918 (BAR) light machine gun

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The J. B Browning Automatic Rifle (Browning Automatic Rifle) was created in 1917 year. While working on the automatic rifle, the designer evaluated the experience of the First World War. First of all, this was manifested in the introduction of the translator of the regimes of fire and the replaceable store. In the United States Army, BAR became a light machine gun with rifle maneuverability, and its calculation consisted of one person.

The rights to manufacture Browning Automatic Rifle were acquired by Colt, however, the possibility of its release by other companies (Marlin-Rockwell, Winchester) remained. Production began in February 1918, but the combat experience of BAR in World War I did not go beyond military trials. Despite this, both the French and the British hurried to order a BAR. Under the apparent influence of this machine gun, the French created the Chatellerault machine gun.

American Browning M1918 (BAR) light machine gun


The basis of the design of the BAR machine gun went to the Vickers-Berthier system of the 1908 model of the year, which has an insignificant processing. The barrel in the receiver was fastened with a thread (this mount did not allow for the replacement of the barrel in combat conditions) and was supplied with a muzzle smooth sleeve “extension”. At first, five, and later four left-sided rifles were made in the barrel. The length of their stroke was 254 millimeters. Automation worked by withdrawing from the bore of the powder gases. Gas chamber - closed. A gas regulator having three holes was screwed in front of the guide tube. On the guide tube was attached antabka collar and a wooden forearm with a notch.

The barrel bore was locked by a lever hinged to the eyelet located in the middle part of the bolt. The bolt to the bolt carrier was fastened through a hinged earring. At the top of the milled receiver there was a ledge. A return spring was placed in the guide tube. The shutter during the movement of the moving system forward reached hemp stem and stopped. The slide frame, while continuing to move, turned the earring, while the back of the locking lever was raised. The support surface of the lever was driven behind the support surface of the protrusion of the receiver. After the shot, the bolt carrier moved back, lowered the lever and unlocked the barrel bore. The insert, located under the axis of the earring, prevented premature unlocking. He did not allow the locking lever and the earring to descend until the slide frame reaches the appropriate position. The liner was removed by a shutter ejector and a rigid reflector of the trigger box. The bolt carrier at the rearmost point hit the buffer. When firing, the charging handle remained stationary.



The trigger mechanism (USM) allowed the conduct of both single and continuous fire. The insert, after the barrel bore was locked, struck the drummer mounted in the bolt. The locking lever did not allow the drummer to move forward before locking, and when unlocking it was retracted. That is, the combination of the locking lever and the projection of the drummer played the role of an automatic fuse. USM, supplied with a buffer spring, mounted on the frame, which was located inside the trigger box. By pressing the trigger, the disconnector connected to it lifted the front end of the trigger lever, releasing the slide frame from the platoon.

The translator safety box was located behind the trigger guard on the left. In the forward position (“F”), the disconnector rose and jumped off the trigger. That, in turn, returned to its original position, intercepting the bolt carrier. If the flag was in a vertical position (“A”), the translator’s check was limited to turning the trigger lever in such a way that disconnection did not occur, and the automation cycle was repeated. If the flag was turned back (“S”), the trigger was blocked by a check.



The folding frame sight was mounted on the receiver. The butt, which has a semi-protrusion protrusion, was put on the tail tube of the receiver and secured with a screw, reinforced by a metal nape. Antabka belt attached to it below.

Food was carried out from a two-row box store. The location of the cartridges - chess. The latch of the store was controlled with the help of a button, which was inserted inside the trigger guard. Thus, the shooter could squeeze the latch using the finger of a shooting hand to speed up the reloading. The machine gunner wore spare belt stores in canvas pouches. The BAR design consisted of 125 parts, 11 of which springs.

Winchester and Colt provided arms good finish, and its mass allowed to shoot in bursts with acceptable accuracy, but only with a stop. Fighting rate of fire in short bursts was 60 shots per minute, long - up to 180 shots per minute, provided that the stores were replaced quickly.

In 1922, the United States Cavalry adopted its own modification of the BAR model 1922 as a light machine gun, which fumbled without a pack. The barrel was weighted to 1575 grams and to the middle of the length provided with transverse fins. The frame sight, which has a mechanism for entering side corrections, was borrowed from the MNNX Browning machine gun. The bipods (weight 1919 kg) were fastened on the guide tube in front of the forearm, the legs in the fighting position were fixed with struts. In the recess of the butt was an additional folding support. Anknobs for the belt "thrown" on the left side is similar to a cavalry carbine. BAR model 1,42 released in small quantities.

US marines are preparing to land on the atoll of Tarawa (Tarawa). Mxnumx Garand and Mxnumx Browning are standing behind


The US police used a self-loading version of the BAR Monitor.

In 1937, the army received the M1918A1 light machine gun, which was somewhat different from the M1918. Installed sight on the type of rifle "Enfield" M1917. In front of the forearm there were foldable bipods, folding humeral support - on the back of the butt. М1918А1 did not reach the level of the 1922 model, however, it was the 1922 model in 40 that was completely removed from service.

In 1941, before the entry of the United States into World War II, the substantially modernized BAR M1918A2 was adopted. Instead of continuous and single-fire modes, continuous-fire regimes were introduced at different rates — 300-450 shots per minute (F flag positions) and 500-550 per minute shots (A positions). To simplify work with the gas regulator head, it has been modified. Sight - type "Browning" M1919. A metal plate was mounted into the shortened handguard, protecting the return spring and handguard from overheating. Barrel equipped with a slotted flame arrester. Store guides were screwed to the trigger box, which reduced the risk of losing it. The shoulder support was shortened. In the butt there was an additional support, however, users almost immediately began to remove it (something similar happened with the applied support of the PD). Bipods were transferred to the muzzle of the trunk and supplied with wide shoes. For fixing screws with lambs were used. This position of the bipods limited the pickup sector and many machine gunners took them off, so over time the bipods were placed on the guide tube of the М1918А2 machine gun. In combat, machine gunners did not use humeral support either, so they were dismantled to facilitate the weapon.

A German soldier (possibly an officer) surrenders to an American soldier armed with a BAR M1918A2 automatic rifle


BAR to the beginning of the war was a weapon of separation and platoon. The Americans continued organizational experiments during World War II, but each time the BAR again became the core of small fire groups. However, with a relatively light non-replaceable barrel and limited magazine capacity, the machine gun could not provide long-term fire support. Even when firing in short bursts, visible flame and smoke were given by the overheated barrel. It can be assumed that the absence of a light machine gun that meets all the requirements forced the Americans to introduce soldiers, armed with combat shotguns, into the infantry regiments, which allowed them to conduct close combat in the undergrowth.

In addition to Marlin-Rockwell, Winchester Meeting Arms, and Colts Patent Firerms, BAR was engaged in the production of New England Arm Arms and IBM. The markings on the receiver included the inscription BROWNING BAR М1918 CAL 30 MFD BY (manufacturer's name).

BAR of early releases during the war returned to the factories to reach the level M1918А2. From the 42 of the year, a plastic butt was installed on the machine guns, which was reinforced with a metal bottom plate and a nape. In addition, there was a carrying handle. BAR from 1940 to 1941 years were delivered to the UK for local defense forces. The American marines preferred the M1918А2, which were altered in military workshops to give them a single fire regime. In general, due to the large number of alterations and "local upgrades" a lot of variations of BAR appeared.

The number of different models produced by BAR is estimated at 1 million, of which in the United States in 1922-1945 and more than 350 thousand machine guns of 1922, М1918А1 and М1918А2 models were produced during the Korean War. After a single NATO 7,62-mm cartridge (7,62x51) was adopted, the T34 machine gun was specially made for it, but this BAR option was only experienced. Although BAR М1918А2 was officially removed from service in 1957, it continued to serve later. Finally, the machine gun left the world stage only in the 80-s.

To unload the BAR you need to: unplug the magazine by pressing the magazine latch button located in front of the trigger guard. Take the loading handle back. Through the window of the receiver inspect the chamber. Return the handle to the forward position, pull the trigger.

American soldier with various weapons of the US Army.

In the picture (counterclockwise):
1. Self-propelled howitzer NMS M7. Considering the combined nasal part (not solid) and the absence of flaps of the cabin, this cannot be a later model M7B1. The familiar name “Priest” is not appropriate, as it was used in the UK, not in the USA. On the turret - 12,7-mm (50-th caliber) Browning М2HB machine gun.
2. 37 mm gun M3.
3. Easel 7,62-mm (30 caliber) machine gun "Browning" М1919А4.
4. Submachine gun "Thompson" М1928А1.
5. M1918A2 Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR).
6. Browning М1917А1. Like the M1919, the machine gun caliber 7,62 mm.
7. 60-mm mortar M2.
8. 81-mm mortar M1.

In the inner circle - the M1 self-loading carbine, the Springfield M1903 rifle and the Colt M1911 A1 pistol; in the hands of a soldier - a Garand M1 self-loading rifle.


The order of incomplete disassembly BAR M1918A2:
1. Unload a machine gun.
2. Turn the contactor flag down, remove the contactor, separate the trigger box and the pistol grip.
3. Pull the charging handle back a little to align the axis of the earring and the hole in the receiver. Having pushed an axis, to separate the loading handle.
4. Remove the bolt carrier.
5. Remove the return spring rod.
6. Deselect the tube handler flag. Extract checkbox. Separate the tube with bipod.
7. Pull the slide frame forward.
8. Pull the latch to the left. Remove the bolt from the receiver.

The assembly was performed in the reverse order.

Technical characteristics of the main models of machine guns BAR:
Model - M1918;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Cartridge - .30-06
The mass of weapons - 7,26 kg (no magazine);
The mass of weapons - 7,805 kg (equipped with a magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1195 mm;
Barrel length - 610 mm;
The number of grooves - 5;
Initial bullet speed - 823 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 600 shots per minute;
Combat rate - 40 / 180 shots per minute;
Sighting range - 1460 m;
Effective range - 600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - М198А1;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Chuck –.30-06
The mass of weapons - 8,41 kg (no magazine);
The mass of weapons - 8,965 kg (equipped with a magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1194 mm;
Barrel length - 600 mm;
The number of grooves - 4;
Initial bullet speed - 750 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 400 shots per minute;
Combat rate - 40 / 180 shots per minute;
Sighting range - 1365 m;
Effective range - 600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - M1922;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Chuck –.30-06
The mass of weapons - 8,62 kg (no magazine);
The mass of weapons - 9,165 kg (equipped with a magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1194 mm;
Barrel length - 595 mm;
The number of grooves - 4;
Initial bullet speed - 735 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 600 shots per minute;
Combat rate - 40 / 180 shots per minute;
Aim range - 91-1365 m;
Effective range - 600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - М1918А2;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Chuck –.30-06
The mass of weapons - 8,82 kg (no magazine);
The mass of weapons - 9,365 kg (equipped with a magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1219 mm;
Barrel length - 610 mm;
The number of grooves - 4;
Initial bullet speed - 855 m / s;
Modes of fire - n;
The rate of fire - 350-500 shots per minute;
Combat rate - 180 shots per minute;
Sighting range - 1372 m;
Effective range - 600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - M1924;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Chuck –.30-06 (М1, М2)
The mass of weapons with a long heavy barrel - 8,5 kg (no magazine);
The mass of weapons with a shortened barrel - 7,12 kg (without a magazine);
The mass of weapons with a long heavy barrel - 9,045 kg (with a loaded magazine) ;;
The weight of the weapon with a shortened barrel - 7,665 kg (with a loaded magazine) ;;
The length of the weapon is 1112 mm;
The length of the heavy barrel - 607 mm;
The length of the shortened trunk - 457 mm;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 600 shots per minute;
Combat rate - 40 / 180 shots per minute;
Aim range - 200-1600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

After 45, the United States sold BAR machine guns and also delivered them to "friendly modes." In the countries of the Middle East and Southeast Asia, these machine guns are still in use.

Foreign modifications of machine guns BAR

Belgium

The company Fabrik Nacional (FN) has bought a license for the production of М1918Al BAR after its appearance. The Belgian version was somewhat modernized: the trunk was weighted, it was equipped with transverse fins to half the length, the gas regulator knob was increased, the return spring was installed in the butt, store covers were installed, and the window for ejection of sleeves was installed, folding bipods were installed at the increased end. heights performed the bipod grooves.

Such a weapon as a machine gun was produced from the 23-th to the 39-th year for the Belgian army under the 7,65-mm cartridge “Mauser Belgian”, under the 7-mm “Mauser Spanish” and 7,92-mm-mm “Mauser” cartridges for China (model FN 1930, 7,92-mm), Chile (FN 1930, 7-mm), Poland (FN 1928, 7,92-mm), Sweden (here 6,5-mm BAR modification in service consisted under the designation Kulspruta m / 21), even .30 caliber -06 for the United States. In addition, the machine gun was delivered to Argentina, Greece, Great Britain, Thailand, the Netherlands. Starting in the 1932 year, the barrel was made interchangeable (FN-30). Marking machine gun included a monogram FN, BROWNING PATENTED, year of manufacture and serial number. She performed over the nest shop on the receiver. FABRIQUE NATIONAL DARMES DE GUERRE HERSTAL-BELGIQUE - above the store on the left side of the receiver.

As of 1940, the Belgian Army's infantry regiment had 52 machine guns and 108 light machine guns FN-30. The war interrupted production, but immediately after it was resumed. As a result of another upgrade, Model D was created. With the help of a spring buffer, the rate of fire was changed (M - “high temp”, F - “low temp”, S - “fuse”), the assembly and disassembly of mechanisms were simplified, the sector sight and front sight were changed, a pistol grip was installed, a replaceable barrel was equipped with a carrying handle, the forearm was reduced, the folding bipod sleeve was attached to the guide tube. Model D, perhaps, was the most successful modification of BAR, but its creation was clearly belated. Production of this model was carried out before the 1967 year. For the Belgian army under the American cartridge 7,62-mm.30-06, for the Egyptian army under the cartridge 7,92-mm "Mauser". Models D and FN-30 have long been used in Africa and the Middle East. The BN system was used by FN during the creation of a single MAG machine gun, created in 1958. In the United States, the High Standard conducted a similar experiment during World War II — an experienced machine gun, the T10-3, which has band feed, was also based on the BAR scheme.

Sweden

The Swedish modification of the BAR machine gun was produced by the Karl Gustav plant under the designation M37. Swedish designers were among the first to transfer a return spring into the butt, more precisely, into a tube located behind the receiver (it was also made in the Soviet PDM). The quick-change barrel, having a folding handle, was attached with a special contactor. Were installed folding front sight and rack mount, pistol grip. Folding tubular bipod mounted clutch on the guide tube. Since the M37 machine gun did not have a forearm, the bipod was used as a front handle when shooting from the hands. The sector-shaped store was designed for 20 6,5-mm Mauser Swedish cartridges. This modification BAR is currently in the reserve units of the Swedish army.

Poland

The Poles in 1924 conducted tests of several light machine guns. The Belgian BAR was considered the best, preferring Lewis to the 1924 model of the year, Madsen, Ml 1924 Chatelleraut, Vikkers-Bertier, Prague-24 (predecessor of ZB-26). At the same time, at the request of the Polish side, the Belgians had to make some changes: lengthen the barrel, change the bipod and sight design, improve the ejector, bolt, trigger, butt. At the end of the 1927, after a test in the troops, a machine gun under the 7,92-mm millimeter “Mouser” cartridge was adopted under the designation Wz.28. The Factories Nacional companies ordered 10 thousand, they also acquired a production license, which they started after deliveries from Belgium to 1930 were completed. Production was established in Warsaw at the state arms factory and continued until the beginning of World War II.

The translator fuse Wz.28 had three positions, which were denoted by the letters “B” (fuse), “C” (continuous), “P” (single fire). The combat rate of fire ranged from 40 to 60 rounds per minute. Return-combat spring and the buffer was placed in the butt. With a swinging lever, the window cover was locked for ejection. Sights - front sight and frame sight with dioptrichesky entirely. In the folded position, the aiming range was 300 meters, in the raised position from 400 to 1600 meters with 100 steps. The anti-aircraft sight was also mounted on the machine gun - in this case it was placed on a tripod machine. The machine gun had a pistol grip, folding bipod with struts. Two variants of Wz.28 were produced: the first with a flame arrester and a front sight fuse, the second had a shortened butt but there was no front sight fuse and a flame arrester.

By August 39 of the year produced 10710 machine guns. However, even if we take into account the Belgian supply, it was not possible to fully meet the needs of the army (the 600 units were exported), so the Poles used outdated machine guns in 1939. The German Wehrmacht used the Polish captured Browning under the designation MG.28 (p). During the occupation, the plant in Warsaw produced these machine guns for the Germans. On the other hand, the Polish "Browings" after the campaign of the 39 year, were in the Soviet warehouses. With the beginning of the Second World War, these machine guns, along with other obsolete and captured weapons, went into battle. For example, in the fall of the 1941 of the year, the Browning of the 1928 of the year was used by the militia to defend Moscow.

Specifications foreign modifications machine gun BAR:
Model - FN Model D;
Caliber - 7,62 mm;
Cartridge - 30-06;
The mass of weapons - 9,18 kg (no magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1143 mm;
Barrel length - 508 mm;
The number of grooves - 4;
Initial bullet speed - 854 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 400 and 650 shots per minute;
Sighting range - 800 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - M / 37;
Caliber - 6,5 mm;
Patron - 6,5x55;
The mass of weapons - 9,53 kg (no magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1168 mm;
Barrel length - 610 mm;
The number of grooves - 6;
Initial bullet speed - 745 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 500 shots per minute;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.

Model - Wz.28;
Caliber - 7,92 mm;
Patron - 7,92x57;
The mass of weapons - 8,85 kg (no magazine);
The length of the weapon is 1110 mm;
Barrel length - 610 mm;
The number of grooves - 4;
Initial bullet speed - 760 m / s;
Modes of fire - o / n;
The rate of fire - 500 shots per minute;
Sighting range - 1600 m;
Magazine capacity - 20 cartridges.
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    1. Dust
      -5
      26 May 2012 08: 18
      It was not a particularly successful automatic rifle - so they decided to call her a light machine gun! Very dubious approach, frankly ...
      The last photo clearly shows that in the Second World War, the Americans did not have normal weapons among the infantry!
      1. matex
        +3
        26 May 2012 08: 33
        Dust
        "The last photo clearly shows that in the Second World War, the Americans did not have normal weapons in the infantry!" I do not agree, the Americans were armed more than adequately, for example, the 8-charging automatic rifle "M1 Garand" is an example of this. This rifle can be said to be ahead of its time, although it had minor flaws like a non-removable magazine, but the advantages of this rifle more than covered its shortcomings. Yes, the Thomson assault rifles, although a little outdated by the time the war began, also coped quite well with their tasks (and it was used mainly in close combat in urban conditions). So, it is not correct to write about what the Americans did not have a decent weapon.
        1. Dust
          -2
          26 May 2012 12: 31
          Garand ahead of his time? What is interesting? Patton said little there, he was generally a character with large cockroaches ...
          A more or less normal weapon among Americans is Colt, 11 years old, and a Browning heavy machine gun, the rest is suitable only from great need ...
          1. Kibb
            -1
            26 May 2012 12: 40
            Quote: Dust
            the rest is fit only from great need ...

            Is it possible somehow more reasoned? At the expense of "ahead of its time", of course, it is said too strongly, but your statements are generally categorical
          2. matex
            +4
            26 May 2012 13: 02
            Dust "Is Garand ahead of her time? What, I wonder?" The caliber corresponds to the standard rifle, this is a plus to the destructive power, rate of fire, smaller dimensions than those of similar self-loading rifles (SVT, ABC, etc.), which is important when introducing combat in trash and urban areas. And most importantly, the Americans have achieved massive use of this rifles in the army, which cannot be said about other samples of self-loading rifles.
            1. Dust
              0
              26 May 2012 17: 27
              Are the dimensions smaller than the SVT? Maybe less weight?
              Have you tried to verify your claims?
              SVT is much better anyway, for that matter ...
              German self-discharge is also much better, especially designed for paratroopers (it’s good that they didn’t go into the series, they didn’t do anything) ...
              1. Kibb
                -1
                26 May 2012 18: 41
                Quote: Dust
                German self-defense is also much better, especially designed for paratroopers

                You would confirm your statements with something other than waving a flag. Did you read about German self-loading in the same place as about mortars? Name the German SELF-CHARGER designed for paratroopers
                .
                Quote: Dust
                SVT is much better anyway, for that matter ...

                Yes, the best, so tell me what. And how does that change the question with the M1 - it still remains a good rifle and the most massive WWII self-loading
                1. Dust
                  0
                  26 May 2012 18: 59
                  Conditionally FG-42 is on the topic of German rifles ...
                  Of course, SVT-40 is better than Garanda, and the number of issued ones is not an indicator - SVT has done more than one and a half million, and then there was no way to do it - the country was suffocating from an excessive load ...
                  1. Kibb
                    0
                    26 May 2012 19: 22
                    Quote: Dust
                    Conditionally FG-42 is on the topic of German rifles ...
                    It’s not self-loading and, by and large, not even a rifle, and if we compare it with something with Johnson M1941 / 1944 in comparison with which she wins
                    Quote: Dust
                    Of course, SVT-40 is better than Garanda

                    So what? Does this make Garand a bad rifle? Sveta has enough drawbacks, the main thing is that they do not outweigh the advantages.
                    Quote: Dust
                    the number issued is not yet an indicator

                    not an indicator of what? Rifle qualities? No, of course, but an indication that the United States
                    Quote: Dust
                    were the only country where the main weapon of the infantry was self-loading whirling

                    I just don’t know how to challenge this fact, but I see many manage
                    1. Dust
                      0
                      26 May 2012 19: 49
                      We are talking about the same rifle - how is it not self-loading? She and automatic fire was able to lead
                      1. Kibb
                        0
                        26 May 2012 19: 59
                        Quote: Dust
                        She and automatic fire was able to lead
                        Such rifles are called automatic, do not you think?
                        In addition, which means "and automatic" is its main type of fire
                        1. Dust
                          -1
                          26 May 2012 20: 34
                          Well, here the conversation goes into the field of terminology - what is called automatic and what is only self-loading!
                          According to one classification, if a rifle in which reloading is not due to the strength of the shooter is capable of firing only a single shot, then it is self-loading, and if it’s also automatic, it’s automatic, and if it’s also heavy and uncomfortable, like the notorious BAR in our case, then this is already a light machine gun wink ...
                        2. Kibb
                          0
                          26 May 2012 21: 00
                          C'mon, thanks for the excursion into the terminology, but I’m somehow in the know. By and large, without touching its airborne origin - FG42 is an individual automatic weapon to support the squad. Those. tactically, it is more like the same BAR, Fedorov’s assault rifle, RPK and other light rifle-based machine guns, Johnson. The question is not what to call FG42, but in what place does it intersect with M1? And where are the other great German self-loading rifles?
                        3. Dust
                          -1
                          26 May 2012 21: 04
                          It seems like they wanted to equip the initial all paratroopers with such weapons, because bayonets are not provided for the machine guns? Only then did they figure out what it would result in and change their minds ...
                          So it intersects as intended - an individual weapon, but Walter’s rifle didn’t work out, in any case, it didn’t suit users ...
                        4. Kibb
                          0
                          26 May 2012 21: 24
                          The Germans generally didn’t get self-loading until they copied a gas vent from Svetka
                          Quote: Dust
                          arm all paratroopers with such weapons

                          Well, how many of them were there, two incomplete divisions?
                        5. Dust
                          0
                          26 May 2012 23: 25
                          Two not two, but very interesting weapons turned out!
              2. matex
                0
                26 May 2012 22: 12
                Well, let's compare the dimensions. GUARANTEE M1-1105 mm. SVT-1226 mm. ABC-1230 mm. As you can see there is a difference, I know how to compare and I do not take data from the ceiling. And the weight of the same CBT is 3.8 kg without cartridges with cartridges more than 4 kg., With M1 4.3 kg so that they are the same in weight. And better or worse, these rifles were not raised in comparison, it is not worth taking the discussion in another direction. You personally wrote that the Americans did not have decent weapons in WW2, but as we see this unfounded statement.
                1. Dust
                  -1
                  26 May 2012 23: 24
                  Worthy of small arms - was not!
                  A lot of things were very good, but with this business - bad ...
                  Well, yes, the same weight, 400 grams of the difference in the empty form - and 10 rounds do not weigh half a kilo ...
      2. Kibb
        +1
        26 May 2012 12: 11
        I don’t know what is visible in the photo (for me, this is how your conclusion is taken from the ceiling), but
        Americans were the only country where the main weapon of the infantry was self-loading whirling. Baby Garanda and 60mm company mortars performed very well
        As for BAR, as a detachment machine gun it was even more or less, but for the platoon it was clearly weak. Machine gunner M1919 in extreme cases allowed to shoot with his hands, the soldiers came up with a wire adapt and a piece of wood to hold the barrel.
        The conclusion about shotguns in the article is also extremely controversial. A submachine gun is ideally suited for fighting in the jungle for a short while, and shotguns were used thanks to the positive experience of two world wars as an auxiliary weapon for clearing trenches, dugouts, etc.
        1. Dust
          0
          26 May 2012 12: 36
          The USSR also had enough self-charges, they were used quite actively, especially if the users were more or less advanced ...
          The mention of the successful use of 60 mm mortars was very interesting - and where is it, let me ask? Against the Germans? That's about the fact that the Germans actively thrashed the allies with their mortars - I read it several times, but on the contrary - I do not remember ...
          And about the horror. which pointed the notorious Spandau to the Allied soldiers, it’s also written in many places, but on the contrary, I also don’t remember ...
          1. Kibb
            -4
            26 May 2012 13: 05
            Quote: Dust
            The USSR also had enough self-charges, were used quite actively

            I agree, but SVT did not become the main infantry weapon and the speech is not about the USSR
            Quote: Dust
            That's about the fact that the Germans were actively hammering allies with their mortars

            Actively threshed with company mortars? Where did you read this interestingly? Just compare the data of the German and our 50mm mortar and 60mm American mortar and do not say nonsense
            1. Dust
              0
              26 May 2012 17: 28
              I meant 81 mm German mortars ...
              1. Kibb
                0
                26 May 2012 18: 25
                But what for did you mean them, if I was talking about a 60 mm company
                1. Dust
                  -1
                  26 May 2012 19: 11
                  For me, company mortars are not needed at all ...
                  1. Kibb
                    0
                    26 May 2012 19: 33
                    Then they thought differently and 60 mm mortars fought in Korea and Vietnam and now they are fighting despite the appearance of all kinds of grenade launchers
                    1. Dust
                      -1
                      26 May 2012 19: 45
                      In normal armies, they ceased to graduate from the age of 43 ...
                      Of course, carrying a company mortar is much easier than a battalion, but I still think. that the effectiveness of company mortars is myths, and fairy tales about the alleged fact that I was supposedly one and a half kilometers away could hit a point target ...
                      But my opinion is that it is possible to effectively apply a company mortar in a few cases, so there is no reason to fence a garden with its use - well, there’s no need to make a sheepskin ...
                      1. Kibb
                        0
                        26 May 2012 20: 08
                        Quote: Dust
                        In normal armies, they ceased to graduate from the age of 43 ...

                        50mm company companies have ceased to be produced at us and at the Germans. 60 mm French mortars of the Germans were quite satisfied until the end of the war.
                        On the eastern front, and indeed in Europe, it was not necessary to constantly land on another piece of a coral reef or volcano overgrown with all kinds of flora, proudly called an island
          2. Kibb
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            26 May 2012 19: 45
            Quote: Dust
            And about the horror. which infested the notorious Spandau

            Will we list everything that terrified the soldiers of the warring armies on each other? The long list will turn out. It’s such a war - in principle, it’s scary
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        26 May 2012 15: 20
        I agree with your first thesis, but the second statement "that in the Second World War the Americans did not have normal weapons in the infantry!" , to put it mildly, perplexity. M1 Garand is a reliable and lethal thing, even its main drawback, such as the loud ringing of a flying clip, the soldiers learned to use it to their advantage. They just threw it, the enemy, thinking that there was a reloading, calmly gave Thompson is also a good machine, the springfield rifle made people speak of themselves only with respect for their excellent fighting qualities. Trench shotguns from the light hand of the Americans are still widely used today. Colt's pistol does not need ratings at all - a classic !.
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      26 May 2012 10: 53
      Once I read a book by James Jones "From Here to Eternity", about the events in Hawaii before the Japanese attack. a heavy Browning automatic rifle. "It can be concluded that the troops disliked it at least for its great weight.
      1. Kibb
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        26 May 2012 14: 51
        Quote: Borz
        disliked at least for a lot of weight.

        You can’t disagree here - he’s still too heavy for a machine gun with modest fire capabilities
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      26 May 2012 17: 50
      the M1 has a lock like in AK-47 (rather the opposite), only with the M1 they already fought in the war, convenient, easy / if someone was holding /
      1. Dust
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        26 May 2012 18: 00
        Almost 4,5 kilos - is it easy? And then how much should be in a heavy rifle?
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          26 May 2012 22: 35
          For a combat rifle, this is not so much. The Hatsan air rifle weighs 3.8 kg, but by design they are not comparable (the combat rifle has much more metal in its structure). I understand that it is incorrect to compare soft to warm, but still ...
          1. Dust
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            26 May 2012 23: 30
            How is it a little if the rest is elementary easier?
            And Thompson is too heavy - if it didn’t interfere with wetting each other with gangsters in a showdown, then it’s not very good in battle, but you won’t drag a lot of rounds ...
            PPSh is also not very light, to put it mildly, but it was almost done on the knee, and PPS is difficult to compare something ...
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              27 May 2012 15: 28
              I didn’t pass, I always recognized the right to my own opinion. Personally, I’m minus for provocative statements and frank nonsense. The people on this site, fortunately, are serious and basically adequate.
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      7 July 2013 20: 46
      Legendary weapon that has passed more than one war. BAR was created in accordance with the French concept of offensive fire, when infantrymen storm the enemy’s fortifications firing from the hip. The use of these weapons as a light machine gun in the American army was a necessary measure, as there simply wasn’t any worthy alternative.

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