Stoke enemy ships with Iskander? Now and it is possible

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The concern of the so-called Western partners can significantly expand and deepen following the expansion of the scope of application of the Iskander-M operational-tactical missile system. The fact is that the servicemen of the Southern Military District (Southern Military District) conducted the first maneuvers in which the Iskander OTRK was used for moving surface targets. Previously, this military equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was used for striking primarily on land targets.

The Defense Ministry emphasizes that tactical exercises were accompanied, among other things, by electronic launches of Iskander-M OTRK missiles. It added that all targets were successfully hit.



Destruction of the moving sea targets became possible after the expansion of the capabilities of the PTRC based on the use of a new type of homing heads of Iskander-M missiles.

Stoke enemy ships with Iskander? Now and it is possible


Thus, the Iskander missiles showed that they can destroy not only warehouses, accumulations of land vehicles or enemy fortifications, but also its surface warships. The accuracy of the "Iskander" brought to such indicators that it would not be too difficult for him to destroy the enemy aircraft carrier, as well as ships of several smaller classes. By and large, one Iskander OTRK may well withstand a whole group of enemy warships, becoming an additional element of the coastal defense.

Recall that officially the range of destruction of the target by the Iskander-M missile does not exceed 500 km (this is consistent with international agreements). However, NATO constantly makes claims that the real range of these missiles is much higher. In the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation every time they respond approximately like this: “You yourself checked, or who prompted?”
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  1. +15
    21 August 2018 10: 14
    That's good . Let them be afraid of Iskander’s range check.
    1. +28
      21 August 2018 10: 18
      Recall that officially the target range of the Iskander-M missile does not exceed 500 km (this is in line with international agreements).
      No one will prohibit launching from a ferry, and here 500 km does not extend ... I mean the sea base of the Iskander, it’s not very difficult to think ... What did the Americans themselves come up with this loophole in the contract. Yes
      1. +22
        21 August 2018 10: 29
        Recently there was news that the Iskander could fire at stationary sea targets, but now it can also fire at mobile targets. Not very pleasant news for "partners". good
        1. +7
          21 August 2018 10: 33
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Recently there was news that the Iskander can shoot at stationary sea targets, but now it can also shoot at mobile ones: good:


          I had previously suspected such a possibility (as a hidden option or in the near future), especially against the background of Chinese ballistic anti-ship missiles.

          As for the range - I had no doubt that there are options
          1. +4
            21 August 2018 12: 15
            Quote: bulvas
            especially against the background of Chinese ballistic anti-ship missiles.

            and the Chinese confirmed their statements with a real launch? The storytellers are still ...
          2. +1
            21 August 2018 12: 58
            Good news. Without the appropriate GOS, there was no point in making a dagger. hi
        2. -4
          21 August 2018 11: 57
          "it can shoot at stationary sea targets, but now it can also shoot at movable" ////
          ----
          At this pace, in two to three weeks he will learn to shoot down planes and satellites (if they turn up on the trajectory
          smile )
          1. -2
            21 August 2018 12: 42
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "it can shoot at stationary sea targets, but now it can also shoot at movable" ////
            ----
            At this pace, in two to three weeks he will learn to shoot down planes and satellites (if they turn up on the trajectory
            smile )

            Avax why not bring down special warheads?
            although the air launch iskander will do better.
            1. 0
              21 August 2018 13: 44
              A classic example of the post of a person who does not understand what a ballistic missile is.
              Therefore, Iskander seems to be some kind of miracle weapon.
              1. +2
                21 August 2018 14: 38
                Quote: voyaka uh
                A classic example of the post of a person who does not understand what a ballistic missile is.
                Therefore, Iskander seems to be some kind of miracle weapon.


                A classic example of the post of an ill-mannered amateur,
                who does not understand how a ballistic missile differs from a quasi-ballistic missile (which can be maneuvered for a long time and repeatedly in flight)
                1. +1
                  21 August 2018 16: 28
                  Do you even understand that all Iskander fuel burns out in 20-25 seconds after the start, and then it flies by inertia, along a ballistic trajectory? Any sharp maneuver will forever lead him from the trajectory to the target due to centrifugal forces. The maximum that can be done is to swing it 1-2 degrees with gas rudders on the sides of the hull.
                  BR are appreciated for the speed of delivery of the warhead to the target and the accuracy of inertial guidance. But miracles from this type of missile can not be expected. Therefore, there are cruise missiles - slow-moving, but easily controllable hi
                  1. 0
                    21 August 2018 17: 00
                    Warrior, you have such ancient archaic data that it is just right to join the sect of seamen called "There will be no bridge". All these issues have long been resolved.
                  2. +6
                    21 August 2018 17: 18
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Do you even understand that all Iskander fuel burns out in 20-25 seconds after the start, and then it flies by inertia, along a ballistic trajectory? Any sharp maneuver will forever lead him from the trajectory to the target due to centrifugal forces. The maximum that can be done is to swing it 1-2 degrees with gas rudders on the sides of the hull.
                    BR are appreciated for the speed of delivery of the warhead to the target and the accuracy of inertial guidance. But miracles from this type of missile can not be expected. Therefore, there are cruise missiles - slow-moving, but easily controllable hi

                    thanks for the answer...
                    an amateur would not be a crime, we are all amateurs in some way ..
                    but you need to at least understand the area in which your knowledge is very superficial and not to persist in your misunderstanding.
                  3. +1
                    22 August 2018 23: 02
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    But miracles from this type of missile can not be expected. Therefore, there are cruise missiles - slow-moving, but easily controllable

                    9M728 - is included in the nomenclature used by Iskander - a cruise, repeat cruise missile. Although I have doubts about moving targets.
            2. +2
              21 August 2018 18: 27
              Quote: pariarg
              Avax why not bring down special warheads?

              Can you imagine the difference between ballistic, cruise and anti-aircraft missiles? Are they all the same to you? An anti-aircraft missile does not fly along a ballistic trajectory, it is guided to an anticipated point where the target is supposed to be located until the missile seeker (if there is a seeker), or until the missile is within the range of a non-contact warhead fuse.
              Ballistic missile flies like a shell. Or a brick.
              The winged one flies like an airplane, fully controllable and with the engine constantly on.
              1. 0
                21 August 2018 18: 34
                Quote: Gregory_45
                Quote: pariarg
                Avax why not bring down special warheads?

                Can you imagine the difference between ballistic, cruise and anti-aircraft missiles? Are they all the same to you? An anti-aircraft missile does not fly along a ballistic trajectory, it is guided to an anticipated point where the target is supposed to be located until the missile seeker (if there is a seeker), or until the missile is within the range of a non-contact warhead fuse.
                Ballistic missile flies like a shell. Or a brick.
                The winged one flies like an airplane, fully controllable and with the engine constantly on.

                voyaka uh, log in :)
                I’ll have to repeat what I wrote to the warrior,
                a classical (spherical horse in vacuum) ballistic missile differs from a quasi-ballistic missile (which can be maneuvered for a long time and repeatedly), and the iskander and dagger are just quasi-ballistic ..
                AWACS is a low maneuvering rather slow target,
                therefore, this "lead point" of yours can be calculated quite accurately enough for a nuclear warhead to fatally damage it.
                This is even in the absence of guidance on the target.
                In the case of pointing (even though at least external homing) to the target (and this is claimed to be one of the modern capabilities of the quasi-ballistic missiles of the Iskander family), success can be guaranteed - it is enough to undermine within a radius of 500 m for a 100% result.
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                2. +2
                  21 August 2018 18: 50
                  I heard a lot in my lifetime, but to use a ballistic missile as an anti-aircraft gun - such a heresy has not yet happened
                  1. +5
                    22 August 2018 06: 38
                    This is a military review wassat
              2. 0
                23 August 2018 06: 39
                eccentrics argue
                if 20 years ago after conscript service - "we have stratospheric fighters with lasers"
                what can I argue about - everything can be an iskander - just not to warriors and even GDP - but to vanks, who clean the burrs with files — THEY TALK THE METAL AGAINST ANY PARTNER — GIVE PART OF THEIR ENERGY and therefore get drunk
            3. +1
              22 August 2018 15: 01
              tin ...
              shooting down a plane with an iskander is also like shooting down drones with mines ...
              theoretically possible, as well as a macaque if he sits at a typewriter and randomly knocks on buttons, he can write, say, war and peace, there is a chance, but it’s not very big ...
          2. +2
            21 August 2018 21: 56
            Sparkling sarcastic humor from our euro "dguzei". God's Chosen Commentator.
        3. +1
          22 August 2018 12: 40
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          ... Not very pleasant news for "partners". good

          pasha hi just don’t say that I am a villain, but it’s time to work out some kind of bully on the Black Sea.
      2. +7
        21 August 2018 11: 49
        What do the Americans themselves come up with this loophole in the agreement

        All right!
        Do not dig a hole for another, use the one he dug for you!
      3. +1
        21 August 2018 12: 14
        Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
        This refers to the sea based Iskander

        Yes Yes. there is still only Iskander left for the submarines ..)
        1. 0
          21 August 2018 22: 53
          Or use Iskander as a torpedo ... This will be in the next article. If he knows how to fly, then he will surely swim. laughing
          1. 0
            22 August 2018 09: 30
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Or use Iskander as a torpedo

            And homing) "Shkval 2.0" - immersion depth up to 50 km, cruising range up to 500 km .. Everyone will go crazy)
      4. +1
        21 August 2018 15: 08
        If so, this is cool!
    2. +8
      21 August 2018 10: 24
      Yeah, an aircraft carrier? Seriously, the aircraft carrier will substitute for you; it will not be suitable for 500 km. Because, past the Iskanders, we still have Onyxes Granites Volcanoes X-22 and 32 Gauges and further on the list. And indeed, if it comes to such a war, he’ll be fucked on the way either by our aircraft with the same Storms or by submarines with Granite Caliber and Onyx. It seems so to me.
      1. +9
        21 August 2018 10: 34
        Quote: RASKAT
        Seriously, the aircraft carrier will substitute for you; it will not be suitable for 500 km.

        Well, the answer is in the news
        However, NATO constantly claims that the real range of these missiles is significantly higher.
        So 500 km. it’s for external use, and what’s really to one of the Ministry of Defense,
        "Did you check, or who suggested?"
        and the developers are aware.
        1. -4
          21 August 2018 12: 00
          The range is easily calculated by the diameter and length of the rocket. Given the weight of the warhead. By reducing the weight of the warhead, it is easy to increase the range. With a small warhead, Iskander will reach 700-800 km.
          1. +2
            21 August 2018 12: 14
            Again by. The cruise missile on this OTRK was initially sharpened for 3000 km, and taking into account the adaptation of work on mobile, it will be able to make all 11 Democratic carriers heaps of scrap metal and corpses. It's strange why anyone else is surprised at this, everything is expected. Plus, Russia has more than enough Iskander.
            1. +1
              21 August 2018 14: 54
              Quote: Sarmat Sanych
              The cruise missile at this OTRK was initially sharpened for 3000 km, and given the adaptation of work on mobiles, it will be able to make all 11 Democrats carrying piles of scrap metal

              Well, how much can you write bullies, putting on display your amateurism? Tactical cruise missiles fly thousands of kilometers to destroy stationary ground targets with known coordinates. It would not occur to any specialist to make a subsonic anti-ship missile with such a range, because during its flight the target ship will simply run away from the firing square.
              The range of the anti-ship version is from 370 to 450 km, according to various estimates. And that’s pretty decent.
          2. +4
            21 August 2018 12: 15
            "Did you check, or who suggested?"
      2. 0
        21 August 2018 15: 42
        Quote: RASKAT
        Yeah, an aircraft carrier? Seriously, the aircraft carrier will substitute for you; it will not be suitable for 500 km.

        At 500 does not fit, but how much then will fit? As if the combat radius of the Hornet is 700 km. Although the penguin seems to be like 1000, but they do not fly yet it seems like ...
        Quote: RASKAT
        Because, past the Iskanders, we still have Onyxes Granites Volcanoes X-22 and 32 Caliber and further on the list.

        "Next on the list" - they seem to have promised to start zircons this year?
        Again, all the missiles from the list with a range of up to 500 km for naval targets, although as indicated in the article, this is not accurate.
    3. +2
      21 August 2018 11: 14
      Or maybe sinking ships not by Iskander itself, as the title of the article says, but by its missiles ??? recourse
      1. 0
        21 August 2018 16: 31
        Quote: ANCIENT
        Or maybe sinking ships not by Iskander itself, as the title of the article says, but by its missiles ??? recourse

        "Topol" and "Yars" are not scary - their missiles are scary. So, what? fool wassat Iskander is an operational-tactical missile COMPLEX, which includes both a launcher and missiles. One is inseparable from the other.
    4. +3
      21 August 2018 12: 27
      Crimea, the Kuril Islands, Kaliningrad, the Leningrad region, Tarius and Anadyr - these are WONDERFUL geographic objects from which the striped-eared circles will draw circleslaughinglaughinglaughing... But there is good news for the "city on the hill", their wonderful high-tech tubs can graze freely near South America, Australia and Antarctica))).
      1. +5
        21 August 2018 13: 31
        And is there really no container ship ???
        What if a couple of 40-foot containers are not containers at all, but Klub-K?
        Here in the parking lot in San Diego or Norfolk with Portsmouth, you won’t feel safe anymore ...
      2. 0
        21 August 2018 13: 34
        One gets the impression that it was because of Kaliningrad that the modernization was made in order to have a universal weapon, and not "overstock" with specialized ones.
  2. +2
    21 August 2018 10: 15
    That will be yelling)))
  3. +10
    21 August 2018 10: 31
    smile I suspect that Iskander could initially work on naval targets. Our developers of missile weapons have never made missiles of only one purpose. Take as an example all of our sea and land-based air defense systems. They work with equal success on ground, surface and air targets. Take the five-day war with Georgia as an example. When the Georgian boats left the anti-ship missile strike zone, the OSA-M air defense missile system began to work on them. Honestly, it won't surprise me if there is a modification of the Iskander-M rocket capable of launching reconnaissance nano-satellites into low orbit up to 200 km. With its range, this is quite possible.
    1. +11
      21 August 2018 11: 07
      No, I couldn't. Iskander's aiming algorithm is based on comparing what the rocket "sees" with the reference image that is embedded in it at the start. You understand that such an algorithm is of little use for attacking a moving target.
      Comparison with SAM in this case is not correct, the 9M33 missile of the "Osa" complex has radio command guidance. By the way, you confused something, the launch range of the KR P-120 Malachite is higher than that of the Osa-M missile. The use of missiles was dictated by the fact that out of 5 attacking Georgian boats, only one "Dioscuria" of the "Combatant-2" type, received from Greece, armed with 4 "Exocet" anti-ship missiles, was combat. It was destroyed first of all by a blow of a pair of P-120 missiles from a distance of 25 km. And the missile defense system was used against the DHK-82 boat of the Yaroslavets type, which is auxiliary and simply does not deserve an anti-ship missile strike.
      1. +4
        21 August 2018 11: 19
        Yes, I am aware that the P-120 launch range is longer, I meant that the boats stopped the zone of the minimum launch range of the anti-ship missiles, so they started to work as an axis .. sorry for the inaccuracy. And here, of course, yes, I was very pleased for Iskander-M, frankly I thought ours had finally buried the class of ballistic anti-ship missiles. I honestly did not know that the P-120 carried the slave with the Exocet. Thank you for adding and correcting .. smile hi Rather, he didn’t know that he was armed with the Exosets.
        1. +1
          21 August 2018 14: 01
          If so, in addition to the Iskander ferry, in principle, it can be placed on any large civilian vessel, for example, on a container ship. hi
      2. 0
        21 August 2018 13: 36
        And if suddenly, quite by accident, a GOS like the one on Granite is found on Iskander? Will the algorithms stay the same?
      3. 0
        21 August 2018 13: 43
        Quote: abc_alex
        Iskander’s aiming algorithm is based on a comparison

        And what prevents to change the algorithm (albeit with improvements in hardware)?
        1. -1
          21 August 2018 14: 55
          Quote: Lycan
          And what prevents to change the algorithm (albeit with improvements in hardware)?

          this is a new rocket, OCD, test, money, time
        2. 0
          21 August 2018 23: 56
          . And what prevents to change the algorithm

          Just change will not work. First you need a reference picture of the ship for comparison. Otherwise, the rocket will not find a target for correcting the trajectory. Where to get it?
          The missile needs a new guidance system.
          1. -1
            22 August 2018 16: 10
            And for GranitoOniksoMosquitoes reference pictures of "enemy" ships were not provided? and then, to change the GOS and the firmware of the on-board computer - is this a new rocket right away? Does her weight change dramatically, or does she size or maneuverability? OCD - yes, trials - yes, and money, and for a while - yes, but in principle, then - no problem.
            Launchers are the same, intelligence tools are the same, the infrastructure does not change, what is the difficulty?
            1. -1
              22 August 2018 19: 40
              Quote: Vlad.by
              0
              And for GranitoOniksoMosquitoes reference images of "enemy" ships were not provided?

              no. The missiles you mentioned have a radar seeker; images are needed for optical correlation heads. Which are completely unsuitable for shooting at moving targets.

              Quote: Vlad.by
              to change the seeker and the firmware of the computer - is it a new rocket right away?

              actually. Or a modification of an existing one - like, for example, the R-27R and R-27T - the R-27 series missile with different types of GOS. In any case, this is OCD, testing, money, time - everything, as I mentioned. Not at all easy, at least not as easy as it seems. But yes, it’s solved.

              I have a question: did you work in the defense industry? Just part of the questions .. is such that the specialist would not ask them in principle)
      4. -2
        21 August 2018 15: 51
        Quote: abc_alex
        Of the 5 Georgian boats attacking, only one “Dioskuria” of the “Combatant-2” type, received from Greece, armed with 4 Exoce’s anti-ship missiles, was fighting. It was destroyed primarily by the impact of a pair of P-120 missiles from a distance of 25km
        Here is your "Dioscuria" and those who drowned it

    2. 0
      21 August 2018 15: 17
      Quote: Zubr
      I suspect that Iskander could initially work on naval targets.

      no, he couldn't. Initially, Iskander missiles were designed to engage stationary ground targets with known coordinates. The first versions of the missiles generally had only INS, then they added GLONASS / GPS correction, even later they began to experiment with screwing optical and radar seeker to the rocket
  4. +4
    21 August 2018 10: 36
    One gets the feeling that the whole story with the "Dagger" was started for the possibility of developing and testing new combat equipment for the "Iskander". Vicki says that there are 120 Iskander in Russia and a certain number of Iskander-K, the possibility of re-equipping them with a missile with a Dagger guidance head will make our sworn friends express concern twice as often.
    1. 0
      21 August 2018 11: 11
      Quote: le-s-ha
      One gets the feeling that the whole story with the "Dagger" was started in order to develop and test new combat equipment for the "Iskander"

      And where does it say that it is the Iskander ballistic missile, and not the cruise missile, that can shoot at sea targets? The second is more real - in fact, it is an analogue of "Caliber".
      1. +4
        21 August 2018 11: 16
        The article mentions only Iskander-M, not a word about Iskander-K. Also, not a word about what served as a means of target designation, what kind of horizon radar or what else.
        1. +1
          21 August 2018 11: 21
          Quote: le-s-ha
          The article mentions only Iskander-M

          our media certainly has faith)) They sometimes understand Iskander-M2 as both an OTRK with a ballistic missile and a cruise missile. I have encountered it several times. rockets are easier.
          A ballistic missile is programmed before launch, it does not need target designation. When approaching the proposed target location area, the GOS may turn on, if available
          1. 0
            21 August 2018 12: 20
            Winged, but easier. But a modern system can also be installed on a shell, somewhere like that.
      2. -1
        21 August 2018 12: 02
        If it’s winged, there are no questions, but they constantly push that a ballistic missile started to hit a moving target.
        How? - a riddle. belay
        1. 0
          21 August 2018 18: 54
          So this: the rocket flies using the inertial guidance or GLONAS, at some point the GOS turns on, the path is corrected and the target is hit. This is simplified. Now an excursion into history: in the 80s, the USA and the USSR created rockets to launch from the B-1 and Tu 160. With an aeroballistic trajectory, only the Yankees abandoned them, but ours didn’t. In addition, they could also hit ships. I mean here that this idea is not new, it is simply taken to a new level.
      3. +2
        21 August 2018 13: 39
        What's the point? Caliber has enough range, speed at the final stage is supersonic ...
        Only if the reaction time is reduced, due to the rapid delivery of the rocket to the launch zone on the Mig-31.
        1. 0
          21 August 2018 14: 13
          Dear, excuse me, maybe I didn’t understand something, what rocket are you going to deliver to the MiG-31? After all, we are talking about Iskander and indirectly Caliber. hi
          1. 0
            21 August 2018 15: 23
            Quote: Black Sniper
            What missile are you planning to deliver to the MiG-31?

            "Dagger" - as they say, the aviation version of "Iskander". Just the MiG-31 flew with it. "Calibers" also exist (at least in theory) in the aviation version.
        2. -2
          21 August 2018 19: 43
          The point is that modern air defense and missile defense systems can hit targets flying at subsonic and supersonic levels with a fairly high degree of probability, while hypersound is still a problem. And finally, the strike on the AUS will be hired comprehensively in order to oversaturate the Aegis.
        3. 0
          22 August 2018 15: 34
          Quote: Vlad.by
          Only if the reaction time is reduced, due to the rapid delivery of the rocket to the launch zone on the Mig-31.
          And the MiG-31 is not necessary to prepare for the departure?
          1. 0
            22 August 2018 16: 13
            And the duty forces are not ready for the flight?
  5. +3
    21 August 2018 10: 59
    "Did you check, or who suggested?"
    Americans don't bother with checks. They said "luminevo" means "luminevo" for everyone. But if Russia says 500, then 500, and how many kilometers are still in the mind, this military action will show. In any case, it won't be sweet for the enemy.
    1. SOF
      +18
      21 August 2018 11: 53
      Quote: rotmistr60
      But if Russia says 500, it’s 500, and how many kilometers still in mind is the fighting will show

      .... what if there, in Iskander ..... everything is much simpler ..... somehow like that .....
      1. +1
        21 August 2018 14: 23
        Exactly so, only the bottom figure is slightly in question. feel
  6. +4
    21 August 2018 11: 27
    Recall that officially “Iskander-M” does not exceed 500 km (this is consistent with international agreements). However, NATO claims that the real range is much higher. The RF Ministry of Defense each time answers: "Did you check, or who suggested?".
    Yes, here it’s a no brainer that all the characteristics of weapons are classified, not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the United States. Confirmation of secrecy to these versions lies on the surface, all scientists-processors responsible for national special projects go under the heading, which means that the characteristics are not accurate. So historically .... laughing
    1. +6
      21 August 2018 11: 34
      As far as I understand the essence of the claim, it hypothetically consists in installing military equipment in the form of tactical nuclear weapons on an Iskander rocket, the weight of such a warhead can be several times lighter than a conventional high-explosive (for example, wearable nuclear weapons actually exist, and the weight of the high-explosive Iskander warhead about 500 kg), a lighter warhead is placed and the range, ceteris paribus, increases markedly, and if there is a possibility due to the weight of the warhead to increase the fuel supply, then the increase in range will be even higher.
    2. 0
      22 August 2018 15: 25
      Secret, classified, but traitors with us it is full of times.
      There is a contract, these are two, by which we and Americans can inspect each other’s weapons, and by the appearance of the rocket it is possible to fairly accurately determine its range and cast weight. Therefore, there is no big secret here, everything is more or less known about each other.
  7. +4
    21 August 2018 11: 30
    Not so long ago I expressed an idea on this subject, they criticized me - get it, sign it. Gee.
    Now they’ll not be screwed onto Iskander, right down to tactical YaBCh.
    1. +3
      21 August 2018 12: 02
      Quote: Wedmak
      Not so long ago I expressed an idea on this subject, they criticized me - get it, sign it. Gee.
      Now they’ll not be screwed onto Iskander, right down to tactical YaBCh.

      New technologies can change a lot, but not everyone understands, so historically ... Yes lol
    2. +2
      21 August 2018 12: 18
      Quote: Wedmak
      Now they’ll not be screwed onto Iskander, right down to tactical YaBCh

      Iskander was originally a tactical nuclear weapon
      1. +3
        21 August 2018 14: 29
        That's right. You can also puls 50-60 km from a howitzer! laughing lol
  8. +7
    21 August 2018 11: 35
    The Bastion, Ball, Dagger, and now Iskander - will not give any chances to any AUGs and other squadrons. The coastal protection in Russia, like no other state, is powerful !!!
    1. +2
      21 August 2018 12: 19
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Bastion, Ball, Dagger, and now Iskander - will not give any chances to any AUGs and other squadrons

      As if the range of the "Ax" is 1,6 thousand km. There is no need to approach five hundred kilometers
      1. +2
        21 August 2018 13: 51
        So everyone knows about the range of the Ax. Therefore, the compasses of the staff officers are sharpened at 1600 km. This is the so-called. "Red line". Already on the approach to it, the AUG is targeted by the coastal defense. Including Iskander, and maybe something else.
        This work!
        1. 0
          21 August 2018 14: 37
          AUG will never come to the "red" line, they will simply lift the planes into the air.
          1. +2
            21 August 2018 15: 56
            AUG will never come to the "red" line, they will simply lift the planes into the air.

            What's the point of raising planes beyond the "red line"? Can you name the combat range of carrier-based aircraft, for example, F-18? Even in the version of a fighter with two explosive missiles.
            600-700 km for your information, plus the radius of action of aircraft-based weapons.
            In the case of the same Kyrgyz Republic - plus 900 km. maximum. By the way, the radius of the F-18 with a maximum of 450-500 km. For he is decked, he still needs to fly off the short deck. Even with a catapult. And what in the end?
            900 + even 600 is 1500 km.
            They will help our fishermen suppress fish near our shores?
            Wipe the lens, sniper!
        2. +2
          21 August 2018 15: 01
          Quote: Vlad.by
          Already on the approach to it, the AUG is taken up by the coastal defense.

          You have a range of coastal defense means)) Can you tell me what kind of means? Iskander Almighty? lol
          1. 0
            21 August 2018 15: 44
            Intelligence systems. Various. ZGRLS, air, satellite, hydrophone, etc., etc.
            And then the same Dagger, as an option with GOS.
            He is credited with a range of 2000 km, plus the combat radius of the carrier ...
            already 1600 - will block it on any one. and very fast!
            But I remember about the Tu 22 regiments (albeit now theoretically, but there is an opportunity to organize it), and about submarines, including diesel ones, 633, for example.
            They will just get to the "red line" and wait for the enemy in the sector.
            Or do you think that coastal defense is a sailor with binoculars and 406mm coastal artillery?
            We also have a Coast, for the gifted, who managed to escape from the Ball, Bastion, Rubezh ... and swim up to 22 km to the shore.
            1. 0
              21 August 2018 16: 21
              Quote: Vlad.by
              range of 2000 km, plus the combat radius of the carrier ...
              And others say that 2000 km is the missile range + plus the combat radius of the carrier
              1. 0
                21 August 2018 17: 51
                Even so, is that something fundamentally changing?
                1600 km is blocked and good!
                Even if the carrier airfield is located a couple of hundred kilometers from the coast.
  9. +1
    21 August 2018 13: 01
    Well, with our territory, we just need
    that the weapon would be multifunctional.
    It will not always be possible to put a Ball next to Iskander or
    Bastion. And so it will always be possible to cover part of the coastline.
    Interestingly, if a couple of cars are loaded onto a ship
    and try to work from the deck?)))
  10. +2
    21 August 2018 13: 39
    And how is this possible: By and large, one OTKR Iskander may well withstand a whole group of enemy warships,
    1. +1
      21 August 2018 14: 41
      This is all the fantasy of the article post !!! hi
    2. -1
      22 August 2018 00: 07
      . And how is this possible: By and large, one OTKR Iskander may well withstand a whole group of enemy warships,


      Yes, just in all the pictures they show PU. But the command post is not shown. In real life, the Iskander complex is formed around the KP machine, and includes several launchers for a pair of missiles on each. KP produces a primary control center for each control center and missiles in flight calculate the trajectory independently. So it’s quite possible
  11. +2
    21 August 2018 14: 46
    Destruction of the moving sea targets became possible after the expansion of the capabilities of the PTRC based on the use of a new type of homing heads of Iskander-M missiles.

    So for such tasks, the Bastion and Bal complexes were created and put into service.
    Apparently this is more of a scarecrow for the West. Not many have heard about Bastion there, but perhaps everyone has heard about Iskander.
  12. +2
    21 August 2018 15: 54
    Quote: le-s-ha
    Vicki says that in Russia there are 120 Iskanders and some number of Iskander-K, the possibility of re-equipping them with a missile with a dagger head from the Dagger will make our sworn friends express their concern twice as often.

    As bee in the Kaliningrad region officially two teams. The brigade kit - 52 machines .... Almost all installations cannot be in the area ...

    I was sure that our Israeli "comrades" were sneering ... Every day visiting Israeli Russian-language forums, I was not at all surprised, observing an almost pathological hatred towards Russia ..

    By range .... All calculations of the "partners" as it was written here in terms of weight, dimensions and dimensions indicated the flight range of the "Calibers" corresponding to the declared performance characteristics - 330 km. Allowed 350-400 .... But the reality was far from what was written. By several orders of magnitude ...

    Further ... As far as I know the concern of Western partners, both brigades in the enclave are caused by the fact that it is by their calculations that these brigades cover the space including the Azores. And this is not even 2000 kilometers. There are no fleaheurs and couch experts without access to information with an opinion based on the fact that someone said somewhere or even wrote based on the fact that someone somewhere in the toilet of the Russian Defense Ministry said wiping his ass .......
    1. 0
      21 August 2018 16: 34
      Quote: Santor
      By range .... All calculations of the "partners" as it was written here in terms of weight, dimensions and dimensions indicated the flight range of the "Calibers" corresponding to the declared performance characteristics - 330 km. Allowed 350-400 .... But the reality was far from what was written. By several orders of magnitude ...
      Do you think they are completely stupid? 20 years ago, the winged S-10 Grenade flew 2500 km and had the same dimensions. They probably decided that KB Novator has forgotten how to make rockets in 20 years
    2. -1
      21 August 2018 23: 02
      "it is according to their calculations that these brigades cover the space including the Azores" ////
      ----
      Hawaiian Islands ... Directly some ICBMs smile
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  13. 0
    21 August 2018 18: 23
    This is a GOS missile which is unified with the Dagger ... that is. Now there are 2 types of GOS.
  14. -1
    21 August 2018 18: 58
    It is too early for Russia to boast, but we can adequately answer if something happens .. And while the political, economic war against us continues and there is no limit to it. (As always in our history)
    We’ll have to see Washington this time, to ease the pressure ..
  15. +2
    21 August 2018 21: 34
    Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich
    No one will prohibit launching from a ferry, and here 500 km does not extend ... I mean the sea base of the Iskander, it’s not very difficult to think ... What did the Americans themselves come up with this loophole in the contract.

    From the ferry? What kind of launcher will it be? And AGK probes you probably will rest on the boards of the flooring of the ferry and do the binding on the ferry. We need to understand KShM and PPI will already be superfluous. And you can launch at least from the ferry, at least from the deck of the cargo ship. One fig, the launcher will be ground and still falls under the limitations of the DRMSD ...

    Can you give an example of how the Americans are using this "loophole"?

    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Recently there was news that the Iskander could fire at stationary sea targets, but now it can also fire at mobile targets. Not very pleasant news for "partners". good

    IMHO another fake of our media. The Iskander can theoretically work against a stationary sea target, but how will it work against a moving sea target? Iskander's engine running time is approximately 70 seconds. The apogee is about 40-50 km when shooting along a quasi-ballistic trajectory and about 100 km when shooting a classic one. Warhead INTEGRABLE... You can find out how, with such aerodynamic planes, this one and a half ton blank can hit a moving target, especially since the radars produced by the corresponding Radar company have a range of about 20-25 km. Only journalists probably know how it will hit the driving target.

    A 500 kg warhead cannot physically sink an aircraft carrier (replica from the article). To defeat an aircraft carrier, it is required to hit it with about 8-10 cruise missiles of the "Granite" or X-22 type. In which warheads under a ton of which 600 kilograms fall on explosives.

    Quote: Gregory_45
    and the Chinese confirmed their statements with a real launch? The storytellers are still ...

    Of course not. The only photograph "confirming" this theory is the outline of the flight deck and two points of impact. At the same time, it is not known what happened before. Either the outline was drawn and then fired, or first they were fired and then drawn. In addition, the Chinese themselves disavowed their statement that their missile is capable of striking moving targets. Only motionless in port ....

    Quote: pariarg
    Avax why not bring down special warheads?
    although the air launch iskander will do better.

    Oh, has this super waffle also become an air battle missile ??? What else will come up ???

    Quote: pariarg
    A classic example of the post of an ill-mannered amateur,
    who does not understand how a ballistic missile differs from a quasi-ballistic missile (which can be maneuvered for a long time and repeatedly in flight)

    What are you talking about? Maneuver repeatedly? With an engine running out of fuel. And for almost half a century I, d.rak, thought that the quasi-ballistic one differs from the classical ballistic one only in the height of the apogee. The trajectory becomes, as it were, "crushed". At the same time, the flight range and accuracy decreases, in the absence of homing. And our boobies-mugs from research institutes have written dozens of articles and monographs, not knowing that the difference is in the maneuver on the trajectory without the absence of a working engine
  16. +3
    21 August 2018 21: 35
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Do you at least understand that all Iskander fuel burns out in 20-25 seconds after starting

    After 70, but it has no effect. You wrote absolutely exactly. Any rocket is hardly capable of producing "sharp movements" on the "ascending section of the trajectory after engine burnout ..."

    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
    Warrior, you have such ancient archaic data that it is just right to join the sect of seamen called "There will be no bridge". All these issues have long been resolved.

    Can I find out, Sergey, how are they resolved? unless to use alternative physics and alternative ballistics ...

    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: Nikolai Nikolayevich
    This refers to the sea based Iskander

    Yes Yes. there is still only Iskander left for the submarines ..)

    You are wrong, Gregory. In addition to submarines, it can be put on carts, on a trailer to a tractor, on inflatable boats. If you wish, you can still come up with something ... laughing

    Quote: RASKAT
    Yeah, an aircraft carrier? Seriously, the aircraft carrier will substitute for you; it will not be suitable for 500 km. Because, past the Iskanders, we still have Onyxes Granites Volcanoes X-22 and 32 Gauges and further on the list. And indeed, if it comes to such a war, he’ll be fucked on the way either by our aircraft with the same Storms or by submarines with Granite Caliber and Onyx. It seems so to me.

    There are very few carriers of "Granites" and "Volcanoes". The EMNIP X-22s have been withdrawn from service and only 30 units are planned to be modernized and left in service .... Getting on an aircraft carrier and hitting it is a very simple task. In the USSR, a couple of MRA regiments flew out to defeat the AUG ...

    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
    Again by. The cruise missile on this OTRK was initially sharpened for 3000 km, and taking into account the adaptation of work on mobile, it will be able to make all 11 Democratic carriers heaps of scrap metal and corpses. It's strange why anyone else is surprised at this, everything is expected. Plus, Russia has more than enough Iskander.

    Sergei! Stupidity is not necessary to write. OFFICIALLY, the R-500 has a range of 500 km. Thanks to such blunders and scribbling in the media that this missile is designed for 3000 km, the Americans blame us for violating the treaty. The length of this missile is less than the length of the "Granat", and the weight is also less, which means that there is no talk of any 3000 km. By the way, they always wrote 2500. Now it's 3000. So soon we will bring it to 5000. How can Subsonic a cruise missile to break through an order to only hit an aircraft carrier, and not drown it? Could you tell???

    Quote: merlin
    As if the combat radius of the Hornet is 700 km.

    760 on Super Hornet without PTB. With PTB or when refueling in the air - much more. But even a 760 km radius is sufficient to meet targets much further from the aircraft carrier.

    Quote: ANCIENT
    Or maybe sinking ships not by Iskander itself, as the title of the article says, but by its missiles ??? recourse

    It is by the Iskander themselves laughing Can you imagine what will happen to an aircraft carrier if a 40-ton launcher crashes on it, and even with two missiles? AND? laughing

    Quote: Alexey-74
    The Bastion, Ball, Dagger, and now Iskander - will not give any chances to any AUGs and other squadrons. The coastal protection in Russia, like no other state, is powerful !!!

    Especially in the Far East. Look how many BASTION divisions we have there and where they are deployed .... And to bring "Iskander" to the islands - just give a damn. True, who will carry out target designation at the same time is known only to journalists ...

    Quote: Zubr
    smile I suspect that Iskander could initially work on naval targets. Our missile weapons developers have never made missiles of only one purpose. .

    so name at least one ballistic missile, which would be based on the chassis, and then was adapted for ships? At least one. SAM and ballistic missiles have completely different guidance systems ...


    Quote: Mimoprohodil
    Quote: Santor
    By range .... All calculations of the "partners" as it was written here in terms of weight, dimensions and dimensions indicated the flight range of the "Calibers" corresponding to the declared performance characteristics - 330 km. Allowed 350-400 .... But the reality was far from what was written. By several orders of magnitude ...
    Do you think they are completely stupid? 20 years ago, the winged S-10 Grenade flew 2500 km and had the same dimensions. They probably decided that KB Novator has forgotten how to make rockets in 20 years

    "Caliber" is a separate song. But the cruise missile for the Iskander - S-10 in the TPK simply will not fit into the Iskander launcher. About half a meter will be superfluous. So I'm afraid the P-500 is not an exact copy of the S-10. In addition, the S-10 has a lighter special warhead (approximately twice). And the R-500 is heavy (compared to the S-10)
  17. 0
    21 August 2018 21: 57
    Quote: RASKAT
    Yeah, an aircraft carrier? Seriously, the aircraft carrier will substitute for you; it will not be suitable for 500 km. Because, past the Iskanders, we still have Onyxes Granites Volcanoes X-22 and 32 Gauges and further on the list. And indeed, if it comes to such a war, he’ll be fucked on the way either by our aircraft with the same Storms or by submarines with Granite Caliber and Onyx. It seems so to me.

    They can’t, ask the Jews
  18. 0
    22 August 2018 14: 57
    Quote: le-s-ha
    The article mentions only Iskander-M, not a word about Iskander-K. Also, not a word about what served as a means of target designation, what kind of horizon radar or what else.

    Generally speaking, the designation "Iskander-K" is an invention of journalists. Moreover, this name had to be so out of place that they begin to use it almost in official speeches. There is, in principle, only one complex - the complex with the index 9K720 "Iskander-M". But this complex had two types of launchers. The first is the 9P78 launcher from which it was possible to launch only 9M723 ballistic missiles and the 9P78-1 launcher from which it was possible to launch both 9M723-1 ballistic missiles and 9M728 (R-500) cruise missiles. The name "Iskander" ("clean" without the letter M) is a 9K715 complex with a 9P76 launcher on which there was only one missile. But this complex was experienced. It was on this basis that the Iskander-E (original) complex was developed. The second version of the export complex was developed on the basis of the Iskander-M complex.

    Quote: Santor
    Further ... As far as I know the concern of Western partners, both brigades in the enclave are caused by the fact that it is by their calculations that these brigades cover the space including the Azores.

    Well, they can write that they are threatened from the enclave and Antarctica. The distance to the nearest of the Azores is almost 4000 km. Western experts carry nonsense, as sometimes ours
  19. 0
    22 August 2018 15: 07
    Quote: Sarmat Sanych
    Plus, Russia has more than enough Iskander.

    The Internet has given out the number of complexes of 120 pieces, and does anyone consider this enough? This is minuscule!
  20. -2
    22 August 2018 17: 58
    There is some bad news:
    Currently, the United States has the technology to create a long-range neutron beam, said Breaking Defense, former head of the US Army Space and Missile Defense Command, retired Lieutenant General David Mann.
    According to him, the development allows to obtain a narrowly directed flux of neutrons moving about seven times slower than light in vacuum at a distance of "many kilometers". The setup includes a neutron beam generator, an aiming system, and a power source. The total mass of the device is estimated at several centners.
    The most priority application of a neutron beam is the detection of nuclear guidance blocks among the remaining (dummies) of multiple warheads of an enemy ballistic missile. The neutron beam, interacting with uranium and plutonium, leads to the generation of gamma radiation, which is subsequently fixed by missile defense systems.
    The military also adds that the neutron beam, in the case of an increase in the generator’s power, allows the use of electronic components in the enemy’s equipment for the targeted elimination, as well as the destruction of an enemy missile’s warhead.
    The retired lieutenant general believes that now there is no longer a question of the physical physical feasibility of such a project, and only the time frame within which it can be launched is relevant. Mann notes that the US military is already using neutron beams to detect burials of explosives at a depth of up to 20 meters.
    Source: lenta.ru
  21. 0
    22 August 2018 18: 13
    Quote: Vlad.by
    And for GranitoOniksoMosquitoes reference pictures of "enemy" ships were not provided? and then, to change the GOS and the firmware of the on-board computer - is this a new rocket right away? Does her weight change dramatically, or does she size or maneuverability? OCD - yes, trials - yes, and money, and for a while - yes, but in principle, then - no problem.
    Launchers are the same, intelligence tools are the same, the infrastructure does not change, what is the difficulty?

    Of course not. All of the above RCC had active radar homing heads. Reference images are needed for correlation homing heads, and using such heads to attack moving targets, and especially ships, is stupid. A slightly different angle compared to the reference image and that’s all, the missile will not be aimed at the target ..

    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    So this: the rocket flies using the inertial guidance or GLONAS, at some point the GOS turns on, the path is corrected and the target is hit. This is simplified. Now an excursion into history: in the 80s, the USA and the USSR created rockets to launch from the B-1 and Tu 160. With an aeroballistic trajectory, only the Yankees abandoned them, but ours didn’t. In addition, they could also hit ships. I mean here that this idea is not new, it is simply taken to a new level.

    if you mean the American SRAM aeroballistic missile and our X-15, then they and we don’t have such missiles anymore ... NOT SRAM. nor X-15

    Quote: le-s-ha
    As far as I understand the essence of the claim, it hypothetically consists in installing military equipment in the form of tactical nuclear weapons on an Iskander rocket, the weight of such a warhead can be several times lighter than a conventional high-explosive (for example, wearable nuclear weapons actually exist, and the weight of the high-explosive Iskander warhead about 500 kg), a lighter warhead is placed and the range, ceteris paribus, increases markedly, and if there is a possibility due to the weight of the warhead to increase the fuel supply, then the increase in range will be even higher.

    Yes, the charge intended for the Iskander definitely has a lower mass and of course the range will increase. But it will not work to increase the fuel supply. rocket - solid fuel with ready-made fuel sticks.
  22. 0
    25 August 2018 23: 37
    After Bolton's demarche, it will be highlighted that Assad "used" chemistry, and the United States will start firing missiles from ships, endangering the lives of our people in Syria. What prevents from the launch of the first missile to declare the deaths of servicemen and to demonstrate an indicative sinking of the ship? As Porthos taught: “War is war,” especially since everyone already knows that Russians are doing evil because they are irrational. You have to demonstrate irrationality. With the start of the attack, Konoshenkov must be told: "Oh, we pressed the wrong button."
  23. 0
    26 August 2018 01: 08
    Reading comments on the Internet, I begin to suspect that the Americans are not so stupid, Russian, and not only their commentators are dumber several times

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