Military Review

MiG-41: premiere is near

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An important element of the Russian air defense system is the long-range interceptors MiG-31. This technique is being upgraded from time to time, but in the long term will need to be replaced. To this end, work is already underway to create a promising interceptor capable of repeating the capabilities of the MiG-31, as well as surpassing it in some parameters. The other day there were new information about the progress of this project.


By analogy with other new projects of technology for aerospace forces, the next sample is designated as “Perspective aviation long-range interception complex ”(PAK DP). In addition, from a certain time, the MiG-41 name has appeared in open sources - it recalls the existing interceptor, but at the same time indicates the novelty of the project. A few days ago, the draft PAK DP / MiG-41 again became the subject of statements by officials.

On August 17, the Interfax news agency published excerpts from a conversation with Ilya Tarasenko, general director of the Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation MiG. He once again confirmed the existence of the PAK DP project, and also announced some organizational details.



I. Tarasenko noted that the MiG-41 project is not mythical. RSK MiG has long been engaged in it. At the same time, the corporation is the founder of the program, which is being developed. Now the development of a new interceptor is carried out under the auspices of the United Aircraft Building Corporation. Work is being done with sufficient intensity, and certain results are expected soon.

The Director General of MiG said that the PAK DP project is at the stage of "experimental research." After completion of the current work, the project organization will be able to provide the public with certain information about the new aircraft. However, the head of the company did not specify the date of publication of data.

The topic of the technical features and characteristics of the future interceptor aircraft was not raised this time. Details about the purpose of the aircraft and its intended tasks also did not become the subject of conversation. The head of the company was limited to information about the origin of the project, its current status and plans for the foreseeable future. It remains to hope that the statements are true, and RSK “MiG” will indeed be able to soon reveal some information about its MiG-41 / PAK DP.

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The long-range interceptor MiG-31, currently the main aircraft of its type in the Russian Aerospace Force, was put into service in the early eighties. In the future, the equipment went through several upgrades, and one of the renewal projects is currently being implemented. However, the life cycle of the existing MiG-31 is nearing completion. Last summer, the director general of RSK MiG said that over the next 10 years these planes would have to be written off and replaced with new machines of a similar purpose.

The first reports of plans to create a replacement for the MiG-31 refer to the 2013 year. An initiative proposal was made by the Air Force Command and the General Staff. At that time, it was about a possible deep modernization of the existing aircraft or about creating a new model based on it. As far as we know, this proposal has not yet been implemented in the metal, but the work continues and already have definite results. RAC "MiG" and related enterprises have conducted a number of research projects and can use the data when creating a promising aircraft.

Just over a year ago, in July 2017, the head of RAC MiG claimed that at that time the enterprise was developing a concept project for a promising long-range interceptor. The work was carried out on its own initiative and without a direct order from the Ministry of Defense. However, in the near future the project was planned to be submitted to the military department. Having received approval and state support, it would be possible to proceed to the stage of research and development.

A year ago, it was assumed that immediately after receiving an order from the Ministry of Defense, MiG would launch the necessary work. In this case, further design and other stages of the project would take several years. The delivery of new MiG-41 could begin in the middle of the next decade.

Last year, during the international military-technical forum “Army-2017”, I. Tarasenko revealed some new details of the PAK DP / MiG-41 project. He noted that the new project is a natural development of the existing aircraft. At the same time, it will differ from its predecessor from a technological point of view. The project will be implemented all the modern developments, with the result that the aircraft will receive new opportunities. It is planned to increase the speed and altitude. Thus, the maximum flight speed will exceed M = 4. In addition, due to a number of innovations, the MiG-41 will be able to hit targets not only in the atmosphere, but also outside it.

Last December, Viktor Bondarev, head of the Federation Council’s Committee on Defense and Security, commented on the assessment of the PAK DP project. This estimate was probably based on the information available to him. V. Bondarev suggested that the MiG-41 interceptor will be the fastest in the world, and its visibility for radar detection devices will be reduced to a possible minimum. The range of the interception complex will be in the range of 700 to 1500 km.

Several items will be included in the nomenclature of the PAK DP armaments. First of all, this is the existing long-range air-to-air missile P-37. Also, the aircraft can equip promising missiles of the same class, having higher characteristics. With the help of such weapons the new MiG-41, according to V. Bondarev, will be able to deal with standard low-maneuverable threats, such as bombers, unmanned aerial vehicles and cruise missiles. In addition, it is expected that the aircraft will be able to destroy hypersonic missiles.

How these assumptions are true - is unknown. Officials directly related to the PAK DP / MiG-41 project do not yet strive to disclose all the most interesting details, and therefore basic information about the future aircraft remains unknown. Among other things, it stimulates the emergence of new estimates and assumptions, sometimes the most daring.

For example, since the spring of last year, a curious assessment regularly appears in the foreign specialized press regarding the classification of a promising Russian aircraft. The MiG-41 is boldly attributed to the generation of 5 + fighters or even to the non-existent sixth generation. The basis of such assumptions is information about a sharp increase in the characteristics and expansion of combat capabilities in comparison with the existing machine. Experts suggest that the fourth-generation MiG-31 fighter should be replaced by at least the fifth generation. At the same time, even bolder assessments are known, offering to “skip” through the next generation.

While officials are in no hurry to disclose the technical details of the project and the characteristics of the future aircraft. In fact, the leadership of the RAC "MiG" told only about the maximum flight speed, which will be at least four times higher than the speed of sound. Also mentioned is the possibility of flying at high altitudes, which, in combination with the new weapon, will ensure interception of targets in the upper atmosphere and near space.

Available data suggest that in the PAK DP / MiG-41 project it will not be possible to manage with a simple upgrade of the existing MiG-31 aircraft. A sharp increase in flight performance requires, at a minimum, to seriously rework an existing design or create a completely new one. Whether it will be possible to preserve the appearance of the MiG-31 or whether it is necessary to develop a completely new design - it has not been specified yet. At the same time, it was repeatedly mentioned about some continuity with the previous project, although its details were not disclosed.

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According to recent reports, the MiG Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation is currently engaged in active work on a new topic and has already received some results. Soon it is supposed to announce some details of the project. What exactly is planned to tell - has not yet been clarified, but, we can expect that the appearance of the future aircraft will be demonstrated to the public, as well as some calculated characteristics will be announced. Also in the new messages may be present information about the complex of weapons and combat capabilities that can be obtained through its use.

This week in the Moscow Region Kubinka an international military-technical forum "Army-2018" is held. This exhibition has already become a traditional place to demonstrate the latest domestic developments in various fields. It is quite possible that the “premiere show” of the MiG-41 interceptor - so far only in the form of advertising materials and a mock-up - will take place at the nearest exhibition. However, in the reserve, RSK MiG has other interesting projects that make it possible to compile a large interesting exhibition without PAK DA.

Replacing the existing interceptors MiG-31 is one of the most important tasks for the medium term, and work on its solution is needed now. Fortunately, the Russian aviation industry understands this, and for a long time began the necessary research and design work. The appearance of a full-fledged PAK DP / MiG-41 aircraft is so far attributed only to the middle of the next decade, but, given the complexity of the project, it looks justified. And besides, it shows that by the time the life cycle of the MiG-31 combat aircraft is completed, aircraft manufacturers will be able to offer the VCS a completely new machine.


On the materials of the sites:
http://interfax.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
https://rg.ru/
https://svpressa.ru/
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 21 August 2018 06: 01
    -12
    God forbid! Maybe he will be the main one instead of the 57th!
    1. jonht
      jonht 21 August 2018 06: 34
      +29
      No, PAK-DP and Su-57 are fundamentally different fighters and, accordingly, their goals.
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 21 August 2018 07: 34
      +20
      new engines are needed, but nothing is heard about them, as there are no engines for Ruslans, therefore, that "... what's coming there" is just pathetic chatter. Especially this stupid photo of a "new moment41" with a very small front air intake. In addition, there is no money for su57, but you hold on, what other moment41?
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 21 August 2018 07: 51
        +4
        They will find money for development, but it will be seen there
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 22 August 2018 04: 57
          +3
          Do you mean kickbacks?
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        1. Bar1
          Bar1 21 August 2018 10: 11
          -1
          Quote: Dormidont2
          An experimental detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft was created in the Russian Federation; it is more powerful, simpler and more economical than turbo engines

          who told you that?
          1. businessv
            businessv 21 August 2018 13: 30
            +5
            Quote: Bar1
            who told you that?

            Colleague, they also told you this! https://topwar.ru/135322-detonacionnyy-raketnyy-dvigatel-vyvodit-rossiyu-v-lidery.html
            1. Bar1
              Bar1 21 August 2018 15: 35
              -3
              Quote: businessv
              https://topwar.ru/135322-detonacionnyy-raketnyy-dvigatel-vyvodit-rossiyu-v-lidery.html

              2t is not an engine for an airplane
              1. Tibidokh
                Tibidokh 21 August 2018 17: 20
                +2
                Quote: Bar1
                2t is not an engine for an airplane

                MiG-31, D-30F6 engine, dry weight 2416 kg.
                And so, yes, a pulsed detonation engine - for missiles, not for aircraft.
                1. mac789
                  mac789 11 November 2018 03: 06
                  0
                  At my work table lies ... Model ... Almost ready ... At least for airplanes, at least for flying saucers.
              2. businessv
                businessv 21 August 2018 21: 02
                +1
                Quote: Bar1
                2t is not an engine for an airplane

                and who claims that this is an engine for an airplane? The title of the article emphasizes that the rocket engine! While developing the aircraft in iron, maybe this engine will already be adapted for the aircraft. smile
                1. Bar1
                  Bar1 22 August 2018 13: 24
                  0
                  traction of -2 tons is not enough, for a destroyer you need a 20 tons engine and even with the ability to fly 30 km.
                  1. Felix99
                    Felix99 28 August 2018 13: 55
                    0
                    2 tons. This is an engine for the stratosphere, where turbines cannot be pulled.
      3. Grits
        Grits 21 August 2018 11: 13
        +19
        MiG-41 is likely to face the same fate as the Su-57. Namely: enthusiastic screams and advertising about having no analogs in the world for 5 years. For 8 years - tests (damn it, how can you test the plane so much?). And then, after billions of national money are tricked into it, we do not need it. Enough 10 pieces for the entire army.
        1. marline
          marline 21 August 2018 11: 43
          +7
          Quote: Gritsa
          For 8 years - tests (damn it, how can you test the plane so much?).

          The prototype Su-27 flew into the air on 20.05.1977/23.08.1990/13, and adopted by 1985/8/8, i.e. XNUMX years after the start of the test. Although it has been in operation since XNUMX. (i.e. after XNUMX years). Thus, it is normal practice to test the aircraft for XNUMX years.
          The F-35 prototype first took off in 2001. The tests are still ongoing, although something is limited there and adopted, but they finally promise to eliminate all the deficiencies by 2021. That is, the fifth generation fighter has been tested for 18 years, and there will be 21. So the Su-57 still has much to strive for ...
          1. bloodsucker
            bloodsucker 21 August 2018 14: 59
            +4
            In response to the F-15 in the USSR, a program was developed to develop a promising front-line fighter (PFI) on a competitive basis. Three design bureaus were connected to the topic. Initially, Sukhoi Design Bureau did not participate in the program, however, back in 1969, Sukhoi Design Bureau carried out initial studies on the topic of PFIs, and in early 1971 an official decision was made to begin work on the T-10 product. Production of the serial T-10S was started in 1981. The Su-27 was officially adopted by the government on August 23, 1990, when all the main shortcomings identified in the tests were eliminated. By this time, the Su-27 was in operation for more than 5 years (since 1985). Thus, 90 - 69 = 21. 21 years old. good wassat
            1. Filxnumx
              Filxnumx 22 August 2018 19: 37
              +2
              then, for the penguin, let's count not from the year of the first flight, but from the moment when a thought appeared in the head of the chief designer. And something tells me that this period of time is approaching close to 30 "years old"
            2. atash
              atash 10 January 2019 14: 24
              0
              where in the region of 1980 the aircraft concept was revised and thoroughly revised, the layout was changed. It turned out that it was designed twice.
        2. Real russian
          Real russian 21 August 2018 20: 06
          -7
          Quote: Gritsa
          MiG-41 is likely to face the same fate as the Su-57. Namely: enthusiastic screams and advertising about having no analogs in the world for 5 years. For 8 years - tests (damn it, how can you test the plane so much?). And then, after billions of national money are tricked into it, we do not need it. Enough 10 pieces for the entire army.

          - don’t worry, this Mig is not even in the form of a model !!!
        3. VIT101
          VIT101 22 August 2018 21: 06
          +1
          Quote: Gritsa
          MiG-41 is likely to face the same fate as the Su-57.

          The fate of the Su-57 does not await him. It just won't exist. Everything will be limited to "experimental research". It's especially funny to read about the speed in 4M. The cost of such an aircraft will be higher than the cost of the Su-57, for which there is no money. It is also unclear why he needs to fly into the "upper atmosphere and near space." For this, there are rockets. In general, an article for amateurs.
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      5. NikolaiN
        NikolaiN 21 August 2018 11: 49
        +2
        Quote: Bar1
        no money but you hold on

        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 21 August 2018 12: 07
          +8
          We have the means. We are not smart enough.

          drinks
          And the means and the mind are there, just some have no intentions for their children to study and live in the Russian Federation.
          The fact that our scientists / designers are able to create a miracle with limited financial capabilities, I think, no one doubts. But the authorities have doubts that this miracle can be used to cut money ... therefore, instead of airplanes, we are building stadiums.
          1. Snakebyte
            Snakebyte 22 August 2018 10: 46
            0
            Quote: Tibidokh
            The fact that our scientists / designers are able to create a miracle with limited financial capabilities, I think, no one doubts.

            It even causes. Nowhere in the world of miracles happens, but in Russia at every turn? As an example, the development of 5th generation fighter jets started in the USSR at the same time as the USA, financing was almost unlimited until 1998. So what? The most advanced scientists / designers could not even reach the prototype stage. Take an interest in the T60 program.
            And so much is mastered on the military-industrial complex that the stadiums never dreamed of.
            1. businessv
              businessv 22 August 2018 19: 36
              0
              Quote: Snakebyte
              As an example, the development of 5th generation fighter jets started in the USSR at the same time as the USA, financing was almost unlimited until 1998.

              What kind of funding are you talking about, colleague ?! Confused nothing? Work in 1991 practically stopped due to the disappearance of the country! Yes, they started at the same time, but there was no smell of "unlimited funding"! And the second remark is that the Raptor, like the SU-57, did not take part in the battles, so today the question of their use and mass production is constantly being heard.
              1. Snakebyte
                Snakebyte 23 August 2018 08: 07
                0
                Just the financing of OCD in 1991 did not stop. Officers were not paid for months, and in the military-industrial complex, money continued to flow in the river until the 1998 default.
                1. atash
                  atash 10 January 2019 14: 29
                  0
                  that is, under Yeltsin they spent on the defense industry, and after Yeltsin they stopped. In 2008, I already received a salary regularly, working at the oil and fat plant. At the same time I read that in the Russian defense industry for months, if not more, salaries have been delayed.
      6. venik
        venik 21 August 2018 18: 18
        0
        Quote: Bar1
        new engines are needed, but nothing has been heard about them, as there are no engines for the Ruslans, therefore, the fact that "... what's coming up there" is just miserable chatter.

        =========
        Well, it's just NOTHING ... Something is HEARING ... For example, recently a "prototype" of a Pulse-detonation engine has ALREADY passed bench tests ... This is of course still a Model (small) ... But the declared characteristics - JUSTIFIED !!!
        Of course, it is still far from the SERIAL engine as "to Africa - cancer" .... BUT !!! Works - GOING !!! When will it end ??? Yes, God knows ... But it is quite possible that much faster than in China and the United States ... hi
        1. Real russian
          Real russian 21 August 2018 20: 08
          -9
          Quote: venik
          BUT!!! Works - GO !!! When will be completed ??? Yes, God knows him ... hi
          - I think, already under Navalny ...
          1. fighter angel
            fighter angel 22 August 2018 12: 38
            0
            A real Russian: "I think, already under Navalny ..."
            at the carnival where?
          2. atash
            atash 10 January 2019 14: 31
            0
            maybe with bulk, but in this case all this will be American.
      7. ghby
        ghby 24 August 2018 08: 43
        +1
        Quote: Bar1
        we need new engines, but nothing is heard about them

        https://topwar.ru/83830-akademiya-rvsn-obyavila-o-sozdanii-kombinirovannogo-vozdushno-raketnogo-dvigatelya.html слухи 2015 года.
      8. nikoliski
        nikoliski 18 October 2018 01: 29
        -1
        why new ones, if the old pilots say that the MiG-31 can be "fired" up to 3200 km h
      9. Compasure
        Compasure 24 October 2018 20: 23
        0
        There, not only new engines are needed, but also new materials for gliders, because on 4M heating of the skin will be significant
      10. xtur
        xtur 31 October 2018 11: 04
        0
        > new engines needed

        But how did the MiG-31 engines appear?
        They took civilians and sawed. Why cry about all polymers before they are lost?
    3. figwam
      figwam 21 August 2018 08: 34
      +1
      Quote: Theodore
      God forbid! Maybe he will be the main one instead of the 57th!

      If there is enough money for one project, then Mig can be made the main one, because the interceptor is more important to us than the front-line fighter.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 August 2018 08: 52
        +7
        What should the interceptor do in local wars, which in the future, as now, will be many? The main PAK-DP will certainly not become in principle.
        1. venik
          venik 21 August 2018 18: 32
          -2
          Quote: Aviator_
          What to do interceptor in local wars

          ========
          REALLY NOTHING !!!!!!
          HE for OTHER tasks is created !!!
          It is strange that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT !!!!! soldier
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 August 2018 23: 46
          +4
          What the Strategic Missile Forces do in local wars is correct, NOTHING. The MiG-31 and its future successor are not intended for local wars like the Strategic Missile Forces. No, of course 31 this is not a nuclear weapon and it can be used, but everything and so I understand that its task is to bring down the avaks and the B-52. Of course, 31 will not climb into any "dog fight" (too "straightforward"), but to "stick" converging from that side before the start of "hand-to-hand" from afar and "drown" to the base or "shine" with your radar is just his back good . But then again, these are NOT local wars. tongue Rather, it is a "preventer" of a major nuclear war.
          1. Alex1117
            Alex1117 26 August 2018 08: 06
            0
            Effective coolant. To cool off various too hot heads in Washington and the Pentagon.
  2. Hole puncher
    Hole puncher 21 August 2018 07: 41
    -4
    MiG-31M will be renamed MiG-41 and all business ...
  3. gridasov
    gridasov 21 August 2018 07: 50
    +6
    None of the currently existing, and considered as promising aircraft does not represent the embodiment of breakthrough technology. At the heart of all modern and old technologies created by aviation. engines are principles that do not meet customer requirements. All indicators achieved by modern approaches to the creation of engines create proportional dependencies that lower the quality factor and lower the resistance to loads. This entails both accident rate and complexity. In maintenance. Not to mention the direct tasks of increasing achievable flight speeds, maneuverability, range and payloads. Therefore, only fundamental decisions in the field of physics and mathematics can be the basis for a breakthrough in a new era.
    1. venik
      venik 21 August 2018 09: 30
      +4
      Quote: gridasov
      None of the existing, and considered as a promising aircraft is not an embodiment breakthrough technologies.

      =========
      WHAT do you think is "breakthrough technology" ??? Explain - WHAT do you mean by this concept?
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 21 August 2018 09: 38
        +5
        Apparently we are talking about anti-gravity engines and non-spatial motion. wassat
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 21 August 2018 15: 40
        +8
        Turbine blades and their location in the engine rotor are a complete analogue of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow conversion process as on a commonplace propeller. From the standpoint of process physics, in such a constructive solution, which was invented in the distant past, a whole complex of such physical phenomena that can additionally use not only potential energy are not realized
        the flow of air, water or in closed systems of other substances that are up to dispersed states, but the centrifugal effect itself is not used. As a result of this, when working with turbines, we encounter physical effects that cause not only an increase in fuel consumption in aircraft turbines with an increase in their rotational speed, but the main thing is that they are limited in achieving higher rotational speeds and, accordingly, an increase in the concentration of air flow. Moreover, to radically improve the maneuverability of the LA in flight, the modern turbine design is completely ineffective. Talking simply about the shortcomings of modern technical solutions is not enough. It is necessary not only to understand the complexity of the processes in the turbine. But also to understand what a fundamentally new concept is necessary and why, to use. Therefore, with all the apparent simplicity of the screw, the set of physical processes during its rotation is very complex and organically connected. At least take the reasons and aspects of why the propellers and propellers cannot be unscrewed to higher rotational speeds, even with improved strength parameters. New constructive solutions fundamentally change the quality of the process both on the flow surfaces and in the structure of the flow itself. And this can be called the breakthrough that I am talking about.
        1. marline
          marline 21 August 2018 16: 31
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          New constructive solutions fundamentally change the quality of the process both on the flow surfaces and in the structure of the flow itself.

          Gridasov, and what, in fact, constructive solutions are you talking about?
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 21 August 2018 17: 04
            0
            About design solutions that can be implemented with modern machine tools. It is extremely important to calculate the diameter of the rotor, the number of blades. The shapes of the blades cannot be arbitrary. Their configuration, on the one hand, is simpler than they are trying to do now, without realizing that at different speeds of the flow along the flow surfaces, the flow interaction algorithms change the degree of ionization of the blades, which means they change the interaction process. In general, the blade must be considered as an induction device, which essentially changes both the degree of magnetization and the potential difference of the blade, and most importantly other processes. And to everything else, I do not think that it is worth talking in great detail about the nuances.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 21 August 2018 17: 11
              0
              In any case, we are talking about a realizable technical solution that dramatically changes the essence of the physical process in a device called a turbine and used for appropriate purposes
            2. marline
              marline 21 August 2018 17: 33
              0
              An interesting idea, the only question is how much ionization can affect gas-dynamic processes?
              Unfortunately, I am not too familiar with the design of turbines, but still I have no confidence that they do not take into account the ionization of the blades.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 21 August 2018 21: 08
                +3
                Of course, the process of ionization of the blades and the transfer of zones of tension from the lateral planes as on the blades of modern turbines to the ends of the blades of your turbine is not the only solution. Therefore, there is a conversation about mathematical methods for combining one complex of processes with another and, in general, about the method of notifying many separate local processes. Therefore, I myself would not have believed anyone if there is no mathematical justification for the complex process. I repeat once again that it is impossible to reach a new level of analysis of complex highly dynamic processes without changing the analysis method itself
          2. venik
            venik 21 August 2018 18: 43
            +3
            Quote: merlin
            Gridasov, and what, in fact, constructive solutions are you talking about?

            =========
            Dear Vadim!
            And "Gridasov" - we have - "theoretical physicist-любитель"!!! .......
            In the sense - likes to talk (more precisely - to write) - for a long time, ornate, elegant ... But most importantly - NOTHING !!!!
            Give him a SPECIFIC task! And in return you will receive - long abstruse "philosophical" reasoning ... About the meaning of life ... Innovations ..... "New approaches in science" ......
            But the most important thing is NICH-HH-HIS SPECIFIC !!! request
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            2. gridasov
              gridasov 21 August 2018 21: 13
              +3
              Twenty-five again! Such bazaar talkers go over to discussions of the personality, and do not lead discussions on the topic. Let me describe all our discoveries and the design of not only turbines, but also of a fundamentally new induction coil, a multipolar transistor, and then you will definitely find yourself in one place. Because others are more agile and insightful. And you will continue. Discuss my prisci on my ass
            3. gridasov
              gridasov 25 August 2018 08: 45
              0
              I absolutely do not mind talking about specific issues. Invite me to a conference on the development of promising engines and 30 minutes will be enough for me so that then everyone will understand in which direction the development needs to go. Moreover, I will explain and discover with mathematicians all over the world that modern calculations are carried out in a one-dimensional system of calculus. Moreover, using the multi-dimensional system of calculus, all calculations can be performed in integer values, without commas and without fractions. Moreover, all super-large mathematical sequences can always be represented in an algorithmic sequence of numbers, which means that you can see a sequence of algorithms. In addition, not in linear form, but in radial, which allows you to build mathematical sequences in a very compact form.
        2. venik
          venik 21 August 2018 17: 24
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          Turbine blades and their location in the engine rotor are a complete analogue of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow conversion process as on a commonplace propeller

          ========
          My friend !!! As I see you are "AMATEUR mathematician" !!!
          AND ANYTHING BETWEEN SPECIFIC !!!!!!! laughing
          1. Nikolai
            Nikolai 21 August 2018 18: 16
            +5
            Quote: venik
            My friend !!! As I see you are "AMATEUR mathematician" !!!

            gridasov Solid water and not having an idea about the subject, The statement about not using centrifugal forces in the compressor already says that he has no idea that, for example, the L-29 is centrifugal! compressor ... further ranting about fundamentally new processes empty talk, We are not against their use of these processes, only Gridasov will not introduce them like that ... request
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 25 August 2018 08: 55
              0
              You look funny! All decisions that are made by designers represent the dominant of some particular dominant decisions. Ie you do not solve issues comprehensively. Yes, the centrifugal process is indeed used in the examples you have provided. However, centrifugal forces should always be used in a further concentration of the stream; otherwise, the received and converted energy of the stream will dissipate. In other words, according to the dimension of the entire aggregate process, it is necessary to use the corresponding algorithmic relationships for compression and expansion of the stream. Otherwise, individual extremes will be leveled by inefficient sections of the process. Moreover, the centrifugal section of the flow should be accompanied by the most important process of converting the hydro-gas-dynamic flow, which is not or is done directly to the detriment of the development of flow energy. Therefore, the chatter comes from you. I am responsible for every word I say. Once again, invite me to the conference and open my eyes to the problems and show the solutions.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 27 October 2018 14: 57
                0
                Quote: gridasov
                However, centrifugal forces must always be used in further concentration of the flow.

                You speak too hard (I understand that this is deliberate), your less intelligent opponents will not understand you.
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      1. Bar1
        Bar1 21 August 2018 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: Dormidont2
        Russia has already created a detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft,


        the cognitive dissonance?
        1. Tibidokh
          Tibidokh 21 August 2018 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: Bar1
          the cognitive dissonance?

          What a cognitive ... you said: "detonation"! laughing
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 21 August 2018 15: 44
        0
        The idea itself is undoubtedly correct. But the algorithms for controlling such detonations as bursts of increasing eneogy density are completely unsuitable. Our devices are deprived of such shortcomings and this is obvious.
      3. gridasov
        gridasov 21 August 2018 16: 03
        +3
        Firstly, it is necessary to understand that there is a big fundamental difference when we create detonation effects by forced processes and when we create the conditions under which these detonations occur in the hydro-gas-dynamic flow and we only control them. Therefore, modern detonation engines are good for demonstrating physical processes in laboratories and on stands, but are completely unsuitable for scaling in real engines
      4. venik
        venik 21 August 2018 17: 31
        -1
        Quote: Dormidont2
        Russia has already created a detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft,

        =====
        ALAS!!! Not yet created !!! .... BUT - ALREADY CLOSE TO TOM !!!!!!! (Well, at least a small model - ALREADY TESTED !!! fellow
        As far as I know, NOBODY has reached this yet !!!!!
      5. venik
        venik 21 August 2018 18: 49
        -1
        Quote: Dormidont2
        Russia has already created a detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft,

        ===========
        Hello !!!
        Firstly, the pulse detanation engine is a machine NOT FOR HYPERSONIC devices !!!!
        For these purposes, a direct-flow or rocket engine is much better!
        And the IDRD is a much more efficient version of the "banal" turbojet engine (which, given the same mass-dimensional characteristics, either the thrust is one third higher, or the fuel consumption is one third less ...) bully
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 25 August 2018 09: 07
          0
          You see, but not many people distinguish such concepts as the propagation of vibrational electromagnetic processes in space in the form of a pendulum amplitude and frequency, but they no longer understand that intermittent AC ripples create backward vectors of such current directions. Therefore, we must perceive the same pulse detonation burst of energy like an alternating current., And this causes negative processes and loss of continuity of unidirectional flow motion. Therefore, to prevent this from happening, it is necessary to carry out detonation-pulsating processes in the centrifugal centripetal processes algorithm and simultaneously with algorithms for changing thermodynamic processes in the flow itself. However, in order to see the overall picture in the aggregate of particular stages of the process transformation, it is necessary to combine various process dimensions, and this is possible only if we consider everything not at the level of thermodynamics and gas dynamics, but at the level of magneto-electric processes. Only then can we see everything as obvious and real
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 October 2018 15: 00
            0
            Quote: gridasov
            Therefore, to prevent this from happening, it is necessary to carry out detonation-pulsating processes in the centrifugal centripetal processes algorithm and simultaneously with algorithms for changing thermodynamic processes in the flow itself.

            Yeah, where to find that supercomputer that can calculate all this?
    3. NN52
      NN52 21 August 2018 17: 20
      +1
      gridasov

      This is not your way of thinking ....
      Assistant?
      The thought flight vector is correct, but it’s not you ...
      1. san4es
        san4es 21 August 2018 18: 00
        +3
        Quote: NN52
        but it's not you ...

        hi ... Yes, he is ... Only he does not mention "backs" ...
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 25 August 2018 09: 14
          0
          It is ridiculous to see that, on the one hand, academic science recognizes the effects of Casimir, Coand, the Karman path, and many others, but it does not consider the forces that form the development vectors of processes. In other words, they do not include rotation forces in the analysis, that is, spin processes. But everything is corny simple. It is enough to consider the interaction of magnetic fluxes in a dipole in more detail and everything falls into place .. It becomes clear where and why the rotation process occurs in a linear segment with an alternating voltage at its ends. So turning on the spin process, you can radically change the energy of the process of energy transfer through it.
  4. Yura Kharlamov
    Yura Kharlamov 21 August 2018 08: 09
    -2
    Another fantasy on the topic ... the most real thing that maybe this is a moment-31bm3m5smt))))) until the glider and engines have dual resources.
    1. venik
      venik 21 August 2018 17: 33
      -1
      Quote: yura kharlamov
      Another fantasy on the topic ... the most real thing that maybe this is a moment-31bm3m5smt))))) until the glider and engines have dual resources.

      ========
      That's why they begin to think - WHAT will come "to him" for REPLACEMENT ???????
  5. parma
    parma 21 August 2018 08: 32
    0
    Apart from the words, there is nothing at all, and they already assigned the index and put it into the series in less than 10 years (the Su-57 then for 8 years of the existence of flight prototypes, even before a small series of undercrawls) .. And they want to squeeze 4 mach, and the nearest space and in general, everything ..... In general, lie not to roll bags ...
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 21 August 2018 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: parma
      Besides words, there is nothing at all
      but there are developments on an initiative basis (that is, without targeted funding from the state) This is not my idea, it is written in the article. Have you read the article? And we like to assign indexes. Here at least "do not feed bread"
      1. parma
        parma 21 August 2018 09: 19
        -2
        So what? On a proactive basis, it means at its own expense, and if you consider how the MiG is doing, it means there is nothing .... Yes, and without a technical specification, MO equipment is not needed ... How many years have BMPT been pushed in? MiG 1.44 or golden eagle, BTR-90? And it is also written that it will be the 5+ generation, but the MiG did not even conquer the 5th generation (like Sukhoi, too, but at least they seem to be next to this very 5th) ...
        So again - to say, not toss the bags ...
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 21 August 2018 16: 07
        +2
        Enthusiasts, of course, cannot create real models of engines. However, the ideas themselves and the reasonableness of individual processes can be orders of magnitude higher than in academic laboratories. No wonder they say that talent loves silence, solitude from the bustle.
    2. Dead hand
      Dead hand 21 August 2018 09: 35
      0
      seperated ??)))
      1. parma
        parma 21 August 2018 10: 50
        0
        no, it hasn't disappeared .. just not "has no analogue in the world" and not "urya!" ... But a statement of reality ... How many MiG-35s are being brought up to standard? I remember 10 years ago they were already shouting about its improbability, and the Indians said that in fact there was nothing in it, except for a flight prototype ... 10 years have passed, and the plane is not yet ready for the series ... And then they want a new plane in 10 years 5+ and 4 swoops into a series ... Storytellers ...
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 August 2018 12: 51
          +2
          10 years passed, and the Indians, as they sat without an airplane, still sit, although if they remembered the successful experience of the Su-30, which also did not exist yet, but they had done everything for the customer, then they would have received everything long ago. For Migovites, this gypsy madhouse with songs and dances essentially ruined everything, they hoped for it.

          Years later, through 5, Indians will come for Su-57, but they will no longer be participating, but only ready-made cars for payment. No technology, nothing.
          1. parma
            parma 21 August 2018 14: 34
            0
            Quote: EvilLion
            10 years have passed, and the Indians, as they sat without an airplane, still sit, although if they remembered the successful experience of the Su-30, which also did not exist yet, but they had done everything for the customer, they would have received everything long ago. For the Migovites, this gypsy madhouse with songs and dances essentially ruined everything, they hoped for it. In 5 years, the Indians will come for the Su-57, but they will no longer participate, but only ready-made cars for payment. No technology, nothing.

            Your truth, although there is more politics and it seems like next year the first 36 cars should pass away (if my memory serves me and nothing has changed) ... But the talk is not about whether the Indians got their cars or not, but about what the Indians ... Apparently, the MiG has nothing but a long tongue and a ton of promises ...
  6. Shopping Mall
    Shopping Mall 21 August 2018 09: 07
    +2
    It’s better to call PAK right away. NO.

    What kind of talk can be made about PAK YES, if there is no information on the engines. 4M is a very high speed. An airplane with such characteristics will cost as a heavy bomber, and it will still be vulnerable to enemy missiles and air defense. The task of reaching the launch line (which, in theory, should be solved by high speed) may well be solved by cruising supersonic of the same Su-57.
    The task of a long patrol, to search for cruise missiles, is much more efficient to solve with specialized UAVs with a long duration of flight or with aerostat radars such as JLENS.

    And for starters, Su-57 bring and make 200 pieces with the second stage engines. And LFI in my opinion is much more important, because they need to do a lot ...
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      1. parma
        parma 21 August 2018 10: 58
        +6
        Quote: Dormidont2
        a detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft was created in the Russian Federation,

        you will write 6 more times, otherwise we did not hear another "hurray!", although "Energomash" reported that they only created a stand for studying new opportunities ... But apparently this is "create" ... With this logic, the MiG-41 already in parts, but we were not told, shhssss, secret!
      2. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 21 August 2018 11: 16
        +3
        Already created? Strongly doubt. Between the prototype and the serial product can not one decade to pass. If there are no insurmountable obstacles at all, for example, the inability to provide an acceptable engine resource.

        I certainly hope to be wrong, but ...
        1. Alex1117
          Alex1117 26 August 2018 08: 14
          0
          Computer simulation of processes on powerful computers can reduce this period by 100 times.
      3. Grits
        Grits 21 August 2018 11: 25
        0
        a detonation engine for hypersonic aircraft was created in the Russian Federation
        and what?
    2. venik
      venik 21 August 2018 10: 30
      +4
      Quote: AVM
      The task of long patrols, to search for cruise missiles, is much more efficiently solved by specialized UAVs with a long flight duration or JLENS balloon radar.

      ==========
      Tether balloons IN THE POLAR REGION ????? Are you kidding me???? fool This is NOT "District of Columbia" !!!! No, in Washington, of course, hurricane winds happen too (though rarely, rarely and not for long !!) .....
      And in the Russian Arctic (namely, THIS region is most vulnerable to the "Tomogavk" type CD) such winds (which knocks strong men off their feet!) Can blow for WEEKS !!!! And what - ALL this time there will be a "HOLE" in the radar field ??? For the balloon (no matter how you tie it) has a GIANT sail !! It will either immediately be torn off, or it will be "thrashed" so that that poor radar station will occasionally see the stars and the earth underneath !!! (If it doesn't fall apart before "to pieces" !!!)
      No, of course, in Russia you can find a bunch of places where aerostatic radar and could well find YOUR place in the air defense system, but this is definitely NOT THE POLAR (where by the way the bulk of the Russian MiG-31 is on duty) !!!!
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 21 August 2018 11: 24
        +2
        I don’t know the wind resistance of balloons, as well as there are no wind load tables of the supposed base regions depending on the height (the height of the JLENS 3 is 4,5 km), so I can’t say anything about this. And the cover from other sides is also important. As our Armed Forces started up calibers from the Caspian Sea, so something from the Mediterranean could fly to us.

        In addition, I see the Global Hawk-type UAV as a preferred option, with a flight duration of 30 hours. Subsonic flying radar, with a low cost per hour of flight.
        And if something is discovered, then either the over-the-horizon guidance of the SAM with AFAR, or Su-57 / Su-35 ...
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 August 2018 20: 08
        +1
        Quote: venik
        Tethered balloons in the polar regions ????? Are you kidding me???? This is NOT "District of Columbia" !!!! No, in Washington, of course, hurricane winds happen too (though rarely, rarely and not for long !!) .....

        I don’t know about tying, but at heights of 15 km and higher, there is tension with the winds, it can be said there practically does not blow. At this altitude, the balloon could adjust its location according to Glonass
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 25 August 2018 09: 52
          0
          wind speed of 15-25 m / s for the Arctic and the Arctic is quite common ... Therefore, the searchlights and ideas of airships and other unmanned devices there are hardly feasible .. plus icing at medium altitudes .. Ground stations are the most reliable option, but in case of conflict they will be destroyed first ..
          A pair of saboteurs, - undermining the power supply station, - and hello to the detection system ..
          For no one in the Arctic puts sentries on guard .. - for thousands of kilometers there is no one ..
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 21 August 2018 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: AVM
      An aircraft with such characteristics will cost as a heavy bomber, and it will still be vulnerable to enemy air-defense and missile defense.

      In those areas where heavy interceptors are working, there is no enemy air defense and RVV carriers. The task of these machines is to provide air defense of those areas where the construction of an air defense line from the radar and air defense missile systems is impossible.
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 21 August 2018 13: 38
        +1
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In those areas where heavy interceptors are working, there is no enemy air defense and RVV carriers. The task of these machines is to provide air defense of those areas where the construction of an air defense line from the radar and air defense missile systems is impossible.


        It turns out that the only reason that justifies the high speed, is to reach the line of interception. Ideally, intercept media. But the interception of media and launched CD is impossible without their detection. Taking into account the use by the enemy of the means of reducing the visibility, the range of weapons can be comparable, or even exceed the detection range.

        In order to detect targets the aircraft must be within the limits of detection, i.e. maximum amount of time to be airborne. Otherwise, the enemy will strike in the inter-flight interval.

        The requirements of high speed and long duration of the flight are often mutually exclusive, in addition, the flight time will be significantly more expensive.

        I would say that. If there is a possibility of remote detection of low-flying carriers or rockets, for example, by some over-the-horizon radar, then there is a sense in a heavy interceptor. Then the whole question is only about the possibility / reality of creation and the cost of such a machine. But I strongly doubt that ground-based radars will be able to detect low-flying inconspicuous targets at any great distance.

        Otherwise, as I said earlier, it is better to “hang” the UAV on permanent duty, and if targets are detected, use the same Su-57. Due to the cruising supersonic, their time to reach the line will be comparable to the same MIG-31 with a significantly larger radius of action.

        And once again I repeat, in the end, everything depends on the realism of creation and value. Maybe, in contrast to the "snickering dry" MIG will create a miracle on detonation engines.
  7. BAI
    BAI 21 August 2018 09: 51
    0
    And in the "news" about the MIG-41 diametrically opposite information.
  8. victor50
    victor50 21 August 2018 10: 20
    0
    Quote: gridasov
    None of the currently existing, and considered as promising aircraft does not represent the embodiment of breakthrough technology. At the heart of all modern and old technologies created by aviation. engines are principles that do not meet customer requirements. All indicators achieved by modern approaches to the creation of engines create proportional dependencies that lower the quality factor and lower the resistance to loads. This entails both accident rate and complexity. In maintenance. Not to mention the direct tasks of increasing achievable flight speeds, maneuverability, range and payloads. Therefore, only fundamental decisions in the field of physics and mathematics can be the basis for a breakthrough in a new era.

    Where are they physics and mathematics? ((((
  9. GUKTU76
    GUKTU76 21 August 2018 10: 28
    +1
    Quote: Bar1
    In addition, there is no money for the su57, but you hold on, what other moment41?

    Everyone would not have money like that ... But the question of the advisability of replacing a cheaper, but quite efficient aircraft with another, albeit more efficient, but also more expensive, is dangerous stupidity. Equipment must be changed when it does not meet the requirements for it. And even then, due to modernization in a much cheaper way, its characteristics can be significantly increased.
    I am glad that this is precisely the approach today in our Army and the military-industrial complex.
    Therefore, I will not be very surprised if several aircraft are produced in the long-range interceptor version and production is prepared, but the bulk of the MiG-31 will be modernized, possibly with the expansion of functionality, as a bomber with a "Dagger". And even with another, not yet announced weapon.
  10. Horon
    Horon 21 August 2018 10: 29
    +9
    Why is the interceptor low visibility? what the impression is that they began to shove low visibility where necessary and where not!
    1. Grits
      Grits 21 August 2018 11: 29
      0
      Why is the interceptor low visibility?
      It seems to me that on the contrary, he needs more visibility. So that the enemy, as soon as he saw our interceptor a thousand kilometers away, turned sharply back and dumped at full steam, sparkling with "heels. 2 Not having time to complete the task
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 21 August 2018 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: Gritsa
        It seems to me that on the contrary, he needs more visibility. So that the enemy, as soon as he saw our interceptor a thousand kilometers away, turned sharply back and dumped at full steam, sparkling with "heels. 2 Not having time to complete the task

        No, that the target (or its support), which is stealthy, could see it well and go unnoticed to the line of launch of some AMRAAM (with a guarantee of a confident capture), and then, after clearing the path, continue the task.
        1. Horon
          Horon 22 August 2018 11: 56
          +1
          The interceptor must first of all have good radar and high speed, as well as the ability to "illuminate" other air defense systems. Attacking an interceptor is to loudly declare your presence, with a natural increase in air defense systems in this area. In addition, it is difficult to achieve high speed and low visibility. A decrease in speed leads to a decrease in the effectiveness of the interceptor. And the essence of the interceptor is the interception of already detected targets, what kind of manipulations can we talk about? It is the interceptor that will have to work on the detected especially dangerous targets, the rest will be guided by other air defenses. There is no need to talk about any subtle or AMRAAM movements with the interceptor raised - it's too late! That's why I don't really understand the idea of ​​making the interceptor stealthy. Increase speed, range, altitude, improve radar and equip with more advanced interception means - yes! But to make it inconspicuous to the detriment of the main characteristics - I see no point! hi
      2. Alex1117
        Alex1117 26 August 2018 08: 17
        0
        Goals need not be scared away, but destroyed.
  11. Old26
    Old26 21 August 2018 10: 44
    +4
    The Director General of MiG said that the PAK DP project is at the stage of "experimental research." After completion of the current work, the project organization will be able to provide the public with certain information about the new aircraft. However, the head of the company did not specify the date of publication of data.

    An interesting term for the Director General is "experimental research." In fact, there have always existed, let’s say, two areas of work
    1. Research - scientific research = when the concept was evaluated, dozens and hundreds of options for blowing models were considered, a chain of sub-contractors was built and, taking into account them, the parameters of engines and equipment. But this stage, if I may say so, is paper. There may be hundreds of options for the appearance of a particular aircraft.
    2. ROC - experimental design work = roughly speaking - this is already work associated with the release and development of technical and operational documentation, work with "hardware". At the beginning of this period, only one option remains. And it is not a fact that after this stage is completed, the aircraft will go into production. Examples - the same MIG-1.32 and Su-47 "Berkut".
    But what is EXPERIMENTAL SCIENTIFIC WORKS - I do not understand. Can someone more advanced explain?

    Quote: Bar1
    new engines are needed, but nothing has been heard about them, as there are no engines for the Ruslans, therefore, the fact that "... what's coming up there" is just miserable chatter.Especially this stupid photo of the "new moment41"with a very small front air intake. Besides, there is no money for su57, but you hold on, what time is it 41?"

    The photo is by no means stupid. It is quite possible "leakage" of one of the possible external types of the research stage. You can’t even imagine what the "external views" could be. In the mid-80s, I had the chance to talk to one of the aviation enthusiasts who was then working at TsAGI. There were no sketches of external widows. The most futuristic views

    Quote: parma
    Besides words, there is nothing at all, and the index has already been assigned.

    Well, assigning an index is not bread for the media. At one time, even in foreign magazines there was a photograph of the modules of the Sukhoi attack aircraft made according to the tailless scheme, which was almost an exact copy of the French Mirage-3. And there was even an index. SU-37 EMNIP or something like that ...
    1. marline
      marline 21 August 2018 11: 58
      0
      Quote: Old26
      But what is EXPERIMENTAL SCIENTIFIC WORKS - I do not understand. Can someone more advanced explain?

      Apparently there was meant R&D, i.e. NIR + OCD.
      You better tell me what kind of aircraft - MIG - 1.32?
    2. AUL
      AUL 21 August 2018 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      But what is EXPERIMENTAL SCIENTIFIC WORKS - I do not understand. Can someone more advanced explain?

      This can only be explained by the journalist who baked the term!
      PS Dear admins, when will they finally restore the "bell"? I miss him very much!
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 21 August 2018 19: 17
      0
      Sorry, fantasy in futurism is one thing, and the construction of mathematical laws that determine the form is completely different. I have repeatedly said that thermodynamic processes are a gradient or a derivative of magnetic processes. Magnetic force interactions and their algorithms determine what we call variable processes and they determine the degree of heating of a given material and how the reaction of a single-magnetic process to another
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 August 2018 19: 23
      0
      Not a tailless, but a duck. The project is well-known. And "Mirage" -3 has norms. aerodynamic design.
  12. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 21 August 2018 11: 36
    0
    "In fact, the management of RSK MiG told only about the maximum flight speed, which will be at least four times higher than the speed of sound. They also mentioned the possibility of flying at high altitudes, which, in combination with new weapons, will provide interception of targets in the upper atmosphere and near space "- the rest is water !!!.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 August 2018 11: 40
    +2
    Even if we assume that there is money .... the engine will be (based on the MiG31) in 10 years. The glider is about the same ....
    Mig 41 himself, after 30 ... it's already the 2050s. I think by that time the UAV will be patrolling the sky (AWACS)
  14. Snail N9
    Snail N9 21 August 2018 11: 55
    +2
    The key word "is being worked out" ..... you can not read further, the next "cartoons" from the series: "Will be in 2000 ... the eleventh year" .... wink
  15. eleronn
    eleronn 21 August 2018 12: 06
    0
    ... the premiere is coming ?!
  16. Radical
    Radical 21 August 2018 12: 42
    +6
    MiG-41: premiere is near
    ... another "cartoon"? wassat Even the Su-57 did not join the troops, and it is not known how many there will be, and whether there will be any, but here again ... winked
  17. EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 August 2018 12: 46
    +3
    The MiG-25 was created for extremely specific purposes - to intercept ultra-high-speed bombers, the MiG-31, in principle, is the same, it was good for him to shoot at, like the SR-71, and cruise missiles were drawn. Nothing that would require throws on the 3M now flies, the KR is more effective at intercepting air defense systems, and if by plane, then the Su-57 with its supersonic duration limited only by the fuel supply and not a few minutes of afterburner surpasses the MiG-31 in real speed characteristics.

    Stop writing bullshit and posting fan art on the subject of the futuristic MiG-21, which I saw 10 years ago on DA. There will be no substitute for the MiG-31 until there is a new threat from ultra-fast aircraft.
    1. xtur
      xtur 22 August 2018 01: 15
      0
      the new threat is hypersonic missile launchers and all kinds of low-orbit satellites, which, by the time the alleged MiG appears, the likely partner will most likely have more, or almost as much as military aircraft in the Russian Federation.
      If this is not an important military target, it is difficult to say what is an important target in general. In addition, if someone still does not understand, the MiG-31, and its intended receiver, is the SAM, but it’s mobile. With all the ensuing consequences for the air defense system.

      Cruising afterburner supersound does not mean the ability to fly 4M, also, and vice versa - the ability to fly 4M, even with afterburner, does not mean that in the 1-2M region the plane will not be able to fly afterburner

      Life will show how realistic it is to realize all today's ideas.

      In general, the designer of the MiG-31 and Buran was the same person, which hints that the alleged MiG receiver could well be placed somewhere between them, and no one knows if the designer of Buran himself drew a project somewhere between these completed projects
  18. thinker
    thinker 21 August 2018 15: 38
    +2
    premiere is coming

    It is approaching, it is approaching, but here's the time. An aircraft with vertical takeoff and landing is also "approaching"
    Conceptually, such work has been underway at the Ministry of Defense since last year.
    https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180821/1526929317.html
  19. andrew42
    andrew42 21 August 2018 15: 57
    +2
    Yes, we have been fed R&D for 10 years. From R&D to technology, even small-scale production, is an abyss, especially for such high-tech products. With the lack of funds in the next 5 years, everything is clear. As well as the fact that the production of 50-60 such machines as the 41st (in combination with the rest of the defense order) is the lot of the mobilization economy, not the "market Russian" one, for our glorious Motherland can confidently say "I am not money I draw, and I don't know how to fake them. "
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 August 2018 19: 28
      0
      A mobilization economy is announced during mobilization.
  20. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 21 August 2018 17: 49
    0
    I finished reading the article and ... I don’t know whether to scream thrice cheers ... or to swear at our happy future.
    Reading: Wah! What a maladets will be! Wow, where it will fly and what it will do there! I thought if they wrote that they would put a 125 mm tank gun on a new plane ... they would swallow it without looking. I'm used to it? Not the first time!
  21. Cellulitis
    Cellulitis 21 August 2018 18: 08
    0
    If the money is "no, BUT you hold on", THEN fuck what technologies are there! And if you have a lot of money, then you can also F-16 - in a count. 5000 pcs. stomp and bomb any state with this crap! This is so for example! do not take as a basis
  22. Old26
    Old26 21 August 2018 21: 55
    +1
    Quote: merlin
    You better tell me what kind of aircraft - MIG - 1.32?

    Slip of the pen. MiG-1.42 of course
  23. bk0010
    bk0010 21 August 2018 22: 01
    0
    4M speed? Berchnya, IMHO. And it’s not very relevant: the Su-35 now has a powerful radar and long-range missiles, and the Su-57 has a powerful radar, long-range missiles and cruising supersonic. These two can very well solve the interceptor tasks.
  24. Giants
    Giants 21 August 2018 22: 19
    +3
    Good article, full of optimism. About the same ones at the beginning of the decade wrote about the T-50, which they planned to purchase as many as 250 pieces.
  25. spektr9
    spektr9 21 August 2018 22: 49
    +1
    Well, they’ll even put together a project (as without the engines, of course, they’ll do it without knowledge), and then, just like with 57, 12 pieces, we don’t need such perfect cars ..
  26. Cympak
    Cympak 22 August 2018 06: 12
    0
    PAK DP is at the stage of “experimental research”

    "Experimental scientific" - what kind of work? R&D?
    In other words, the MiG-41 is now at the stage of defining a concept. For 7-10 years, a modern airplane cannot be made from a concept level.
  27. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 25 August 2018 08: 52
    +1
    Talk about the Mig-41 should be carried out in connection with plans for the modernization of the Tu-160 and Tu-22M. On the Tu-160 there was an NK-32 engine with a thrust of 14 tons (25 tons on afterburner), on a Tu-22M NK-25 with a thrust of 18 tons. (25 tons in afterburner). Both engines represented one ruler on one gas generator. When in the mid-2000s it was decided to resume the production of the NK-32 of the second series, our designers made a very successful feint with their ears. Under the guise of NK-32-2, they actually created a new engine using a gas generator from the NK-65 that had not previously gone into the series, having managed to fit it into dimensions and using components from the NK-32. The engine turned out in two versions: without a gearbox, the thrust was 18-23 tons. with afterburner 30-35 tons: and with gear 24-26 tons. afterburner the same 30-35 tons. The first option is supposed to be used on the MS-21 and on trucks. The second option is on the TU-160 and, attention, on the TU-22M. That is, the increase in thrust is such that it is possible to fly on afterburner supersonic, which will give it a significant increase in range and the ability to use all future types of hypersonic weapons. The new engine geometry is not included in the Mig-31. Apparently the question arose, to make another engine, which is very expensive for Russia, or to modernize a fighter for a new engine. I think the second way has been chosen. Even if you take the engine according to the first option, it will give an almost double increase in traction and increased efficiency. The new machine (MiG-41) can get generally prohibitive performance characteristics.
  28. Larum
    Larum 28 August 2018 09: 44
    0
    Projects and so on. And at all. So for now, pure blah blah.
    especially knowing the dates for SU and Armata ....
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 29 August 2018 09: 39
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      Apparently it’s worth answering everyone. There have been and will be many projects or projects as arbitrary fantasies. But those that will be built on effective methods of analysis of real physical processes at any level of their transformation from laminar and more than turbulent will be realistically realizable and significant. And such methods can only be those that allow you to build an inextricable numerical space with algorithmically related components of it. Numerical relationships at all levels will have an accurate and clear definition. It is extremely important to note here that the geometry built on numbers and numerical flows is able to describe not only the static connected points of a solid in its entire volume, but also describe the entire space of interactions in transitional sections of interaction with the external environment and certain properties of this medium. In simple terms, a description of turbulent processes through a number in its dynamic transformation of flows formed by numbers and properties expressed as a constant value function is the opportunity to create new devices for flight at hyper speeds and hyper maneuverable changes of flight vectors. It is not fantasies and freely thought-out projects and forms that determine effective devices, but their embedded properties parameters determine the future of both airplanes and engines, no matter how we call them then. Therefore, the inelastic Lobachevsky geometry nor the Finsler geometry nor all the others can be divorced from the number. They, as particular methods, should be part of a general methodology for analyzing the totality of space properties and its transformations.
  29. Larum
    Larum 30 August 2018 08: 51
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    Nothing, OL accepted, now money for 41 will appear!
    Pensioners will be happy!
    1. Vanguard2090
      Vanguard2090 3 February 2019 10: 45
      -2
      There are 40% of pensioners in Russia, only 7% in the West, and there are no new planes and missiles !!
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  31. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 4 October 2018 17: 10
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    While the first let go, and the second you make, of course the 7 +++++ or 8 ++++ generations and which have no analogues in the world and in the Galaxy, the Americans will stamp and sell several tens of thousands of real planes.
    1. Vanguard2090
      Vanguard2090 3 February 2019 10: 44
      -2
      laughed !! Over the past 6 years, the Russian Air Force has received the latest aircraft and helicopters 10 times more than the US Air Force has received over the past 40 years !! 98% of US aviation is ancient rusty trash. The youngest is over 40 years old !! In service are another 70-year-old B-52 which still fly on the wood !!
  32. Dead hand
    Dead hand 22 October 2018 13: 48
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    Quote: Bar1
    new engines are needed, but nothing is heard about them, as there are no engines for Ruslans, therefore, that "... what's coming there" is just pathetic chatter. Especially this stupid photo of a "new moment41" with a very small front air intake. In addition, there is no money for su57, but you hold on, what other moment41?

    What? Are you all right to get it? .. who are you to report to the engines about you? .. should you personally send a report with kb?
    Stupid photo, with a very small one? ... wake up our complex you. Technology is advancing, and you are not familiar with why such an air intake ....
    And ... Oh, Hospedi ... on Su 57 days there isn’t ..... did Kuzhigytych personally talk about this? ... Ali at the Ministry of Defense proved, generals .....
    Did you get out of Otvelev? ... go from the land of Abitavanai
    1. Vanguard2090
      Vanguard2090 3 February 2019 10: 40
      -2
      I made fun! The army has long received 15 aircraft SU-57! Over the past 6 years, the Russian Air Force has received the latest aircraft and helicopters 10 times more than the US Air Force has received over the past 40 years !! 98% of US aviation is the oldest rusty junk for the youngest for over 40 years !! Here they have no money !!
  33. Allexxx
    Allexxx 27 October 2018 17: 20
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    They say that leading specialists in the Ministry of Defense are finishing the final drawing of 3D objects related to the MiG-41 for the new video. So the premiere is just around the corner. In the new video, the MiG-41 surpasses the American F35 and F22 by a head.
    1. Vanguard2090
      Vanguard2090 3 February 2019 10: 37
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      Slop f-22 and world mockery of f-35 on two heads surpassed even the serial best-in-the-world SU-27cm fighter!
  34. Vanguard2090
    Vanguard2090 3 February 2019 10: 36
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    American test pilots were shocked by the capabilities of the world's best serial fighter SU-27cm, which is several times superior to the f-22 and f-35, and when they see the SU-57 and MiG-41 they are speechless, they say that this cannot be , SU-57 and MiG-41 cross out all the laws of physics, these are not planes, this is UFOs !!