The timing of the signing of the contract for Su-57 for video conferencing in Russia

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The United Aircraft Corporation reported on plans for the final signing of the contract for the supply of the latest Su-57 fighter jets. UAC CEO Yuri Slusar told about the plans of the Russia 1 channel. According to him, the signing of the contract should take place within the next week. “Until the end of summer,” noted Yuri Slusar.

The head of the KLA noted that the signing should take place at the Patriot forum. It must pass through August 26.



We are talking about the delivery of 12 fighter 5-th generation (Su-57). This is the so-called installation batch of Russian fighters for the Air and Space Forces of Russia. Moreover, earlier it was reported that in the installation batch, aircraft with the engines of the so-called first stage will arrive in the Russian Aerospace Forces.

The timing of the signing of the contract for Su-57 for video conferencing in Russia


It was these engines that became one of the main reasons for India to withdraw from the joint FGFA project with Russia. Indian partners have announced that they are not satisfied with the figures for power plants and stealth characteristics. However, in New Delhi they immediately made it clear that they are ready to return to the project as soon as Russia completes the design of the fighter. Russian manufacturers do not comment on these actions of the Indian side, continuing to work on the parameters of combat aircraft, including those that were called India.

Yuri Slyusar did not name the cost of the Su-57, but he noted that it will be higher than that of the 4 generation aircraft, since they have much broader functionality, including combat characteristics.
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  1. -9
    19 August 2018 18: 22
    Not a lot, not a lot. It seems that rumors about the abandonment of the aircraft did not arise from scratch.
    1. +17
      19 August 2018 18: 28
      Even so, we continue to wait for the engine of the second stage and there it will be more visible according to the future plans of the Ministry of Defense
      1. -9
        19 August 2018 20: 39
        Quote: maxim947
        continue to wait for the engine of the second stage and there will be more visible according to the future plans of the Ministry of Defense

        Something first came to mind - gravitsapa and KTs ...
        1. -6
          20 August 2018 08: 05
          that it (cost) will be higher than that of 4th generation aircraft, since they have much wider functionality,

          And I thought that the price is due to the cost of goods laughing
          It turns out the functionality determines the price.
          Perhaps the manager who set the price before was trading iPhones. The rationale for the high price of reinforced concrete and iPhone.
          1. -1
            20 August 2018 13: 29
            The United Aircraft Corporation announced plans for the final signing of a contract for the supply of the latest Su-57 fighters.


            Is it not the military who order the planes? I am always amazed at our approach to the production of military equipment ... The military, I don’t know why, we have "cardboard fools", the UAC snatches their goods without asking ... Do they need it? ... Why do they need it? And what will they do with him? .. Then come up with? And the military is to blame for this!
      2. +1
        20 August 2018 11: 24
        and what to expect? it is already installed on a flying prototype
        1. +1
          20 August 2018 19: 31
          Year 3 at least until the start of mass production. Here's what to expect
    2. AUL
      +4
      19 August 2018 18: 39
      Let's hope that at least this contract will not be cut! The car you need!
      1. avt
        +16
        19 August 2018 18: 57
        Quote from AUL
        Machine needed!

        wassat We read the article "more carefully"
        Moreover, it was previously reported that aircraft with engines of the so-called first stage will arrive in the installation batch in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
        Why NOW, without engines, which should provide the declared performance characteristics and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, to urgently launch in series with mass purchases ???
        1. 0
          19 August 2018 19: 25
          Quote: avt
          Quote from AUL
          Machine needed!

          wassat We read the article "more carefully"
          Moreover, it was previously reported that aircraft with engines of the so-called first stage will arrive in the installation batch in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
          Why NOW, without engines, which should provide the declared performance characteristics and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, to urgently launch in series with mass purchases ???

          commerce, airplane and on these engines the best in the world
          1. +8
            19 August 2018 19: 48
            Machine needed!

            Moreover, this is a matter of honor. After so many high-profile advances, etc.
            Although I personally do not believe in a drop of fake that someone seriously wants to close the project, there is simply not enough money
            1. +4
              19 August 2018 20: 27
              Quote: maxim947
              Moreover, this is a matter of honor. After so many high-profile advances, etc.
              Although I personally do not believe in a drop of fake that someone seriously wants to close the project, there is simply not enough money

              With tongue removed. I completely agree with your conclusion.
            2. -2
              20 August 2018 09: 52
              Yes, and where do they come from ... here I heard the summer Olympics they still want to hold ... and the plane ... well, someday they will release it.
          2. -2
            20 August 2018 09: 50
            No analogues?
        2. +12
          19 August 2018 19: 30
          Quote: avt
          Why NOW, without engines, which should provide the declared performance characteristics and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, to urgently launch in series with mass purchases ???

          The company should not be idle. Prototypes within the framework of OCD did everything. Now you need to put a series. While the production cycle is not fully debugged, it is quite logical to conclude contracts for small batches. And after completing the tests of the new Product 30 engine, it can be replaced briefly, even under military conditions.
          1. +4
            19 August 2018 19: 40
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And after completing the tests of the new Product 30 engine, it can be replaced shortly, even in military conditions

            wassat yah ? there, as on the "Zhiguli" only squander wasted? wassat
            1. +1
              20 August 2018 02: 07
              Actually, we have already tested the stage 2 engine together with 1m ... and did not grind anything. Where do you get so many "smart guys", "mother's bathfieldists"
            2. -1
              20 August 2018 13: 10
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              there, as on "Zhiguli", only the block was squandered

              No, it's like changing batteries in a remote control.
          2. -2
            19 August 2018 19: 49
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Now you need to put a series

            What really "noted" Slusar ..... "" Until the end of summer, I think, what, surely, on the "Patriot" (a park in the Moscow region, which will host the forum "Army-21" from 26 to 2018 August - TASS comment), we will sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense for the supply of the first installation batch, - said Slusar. - From next year, deliveries will begin in parts".
            Oh, how ..... in August they signed, and after 3-4 months already put lol it’s immediately obvious that Rostvertol is a powerful enterprise and its securities are quoted very highly. fellow
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And after completing the tests of the new Product 30 engine, it can be replaced briefly, even under military conditions.

            Yeah, then a new engine is .. TESTING, but "stick it on an airplane" ... it's just that .... took it and "rearranged" fool
            1. +1
              20 August 2018 14: 50
              From next year it does not exclude from "next December".
          3. avt
            +3
            19 August 2018 20: 12
            Quote: Vita VKO
            While the production cycle is not fully debugged, it is quite logical to conclude contracts for small batches.

            wassat And actually the article is about what ?????
            The head of the KLA noted that the signing should take place at the Patriot forum. It must pass through August 26.

            We are talking about the supply of 12 fifth-generation fighters (Su-5). This is the so-called installation party of Russian fighters for the Aerospace Forces of Russia.
            Even the headline
            The timing of the signing of the contract for Su-57 for video conferencing in Russia
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And after completing the tests of the new Product 30 engine, it can be replaced briefly, even under military conditions.

            Yes? Have you tried it in practice? So shame here
            Quote: Random
            Yeah, then a new engine is .. TESTING, but "stick it on an airplane" ... it's just that .... took it and "rearranged"
            Well, this is generally a song of songs! bully
            bully
            Quote: Aviator_
            Or are there no new engines yet?
            "A lot of beeches" in the article? Or just read the title ??? Well, I can reduce the "beeches"
            Moreover, it was previously reported that aircraft with engines of the so-called first stage will arrive in the installation batch in the Russian Aerospace Forces.
            bully
          4. +3
            20 August 2018 06: 59
            Quote: Vita VKO
            And after completing the tests of the new Product 30 engine, it can be replaced briefly, even under military conditions.

            ==========
            Well, just "in the military" - it's unlikely .... But at aircraft repair factories, there probably will be no problems! Moreover, the engines "in theory" should be maximally "interchangeable" with the "first generation" .....
            It seems to me that there is one more reason to start production now even in small batches: pilot training (it also takes time. And a lot !!!) hi
        3. +3
          20 August 2018 00: 48
          The engines of the first stage also provide supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, they have other indicators worse than the second ....
          1. 0
            20 August 2018 13: 06
            Something I doubt that they provide such a mode, and even for a long time, otherwise there would be little point in increasing the power of the product 30.
            the whole point of product 30 is not an increase in speed, but a sharp improvement in cruising speed along with a decrease in fuel consumption.
            1. 0
              20 August 2018 16: 15
              Are you contradicting yourself or are you casting a shadow on the fence?
              the whole point of product 30 is not an increase in speed, but a sharp improvement in cruising speed along with a decrease in fuel consumption.

              Translate into Russian what is sharp improvement in cruising speed?
              With economy, thank God, everything is clear.
        4. +11
          20 August 2018 01: 33
          Quote: avt
          Why NOW, without the engines, which should provide the declared performance characteristics and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, to urgently launch a series with mass purchases

          As far as we know, the 1st stage engine provides the Su-57 with "supersonic cruising speed without afterburner"! The problem is that every drop has been squeezed out of "product 117" (AL-41F1)! No "not a single gram" for further improvement! And those 12 aircraft with a 1st stage engine are needed! This is an installation batch! These planes are needed for trial operation (to reveal the flaws hidden before the village, "vices" ...); for training, training flight ... technical personnel! Finally ... in order to appear "somewhere further "and say" fairy "F-35, F-22 ... It is a pity that the" critics "do not understand this!
        5. -1
          20 August 2018 03: 22
          Because the plane is needed NOW! If you remember, exactly the same story happened to the amers with their F-14 "Tomcat", which in the beginning also received the first stage engines. And nothing, I flew them for a long time.
        6. AUL
          +3
          20 August 2018 07: 07
          Quote: avt
          Why NOW, without engines, which should provide the declared performance characteristics and supersonic cruising speed without afterburner, to urgently launch in series with mass purchases ???

          Do you think that on the engines of the 1st stage it is impossible for pilots to master the car? And this is a question of more than one month! And how to set up and debug production? Yes, and bring the rest of the system in real use, too. The engines of the 2nd stage are already undergoing tests, and when they are brought to mind, it will be possible to replace the motors - I think this will not result in big problems. A raw car with a raw engine is harder to bring than a raw car with a run-in engine.
          Best the enemy of the good!
          1. avt
            0
            20 August 2018 10: 45
            Quote from AUL
            Do you think that on the engines of the 1st stage it is impossible for pilots to master the car? And for techies? And this is a question not of one month! And how to set up and debug production?

            wassat And We think that before we start to boil in the "righteous anger of reproof", it would not be bad to figure out WHAT is
            We are talking about the supply of 12 fifth-generation fighters (Su-5). This is the so-called installation party of Russian fighters for the Aerospace Forces of Russia.
            INSTALLATION PARTY. Try not to confuse the aspada potsrioty with the parties "United Russia", the Liberal Democratic Party, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and so on. But some have their brains boiling
            Quote: Leeds
            Where else to cut such a ridiculous contract as much as 12 units?

            Even a pressure cooker will not withstand pressure. fool
      2. -1
        20 August 2018 08: 21
        Quote from AUL
        Let's hope that at least this contract will not be cut! The car you need!

        Where else to cut such a ridiculous contract as much as 12 units?
    3. +8
      19 August 2018 19: 04
      What's not a lot? Not a lot with the engines of the second stage. And the party, so to speak, for training pilots, getting used to the car is quite normal. Although with the new engine the car will be different. Is it just that these Indians are all over? Mani mani?
      1. 0
        19 August 2018 19: 31
        somehow it doesn’t sound very good ...
    4. -1
      19 August 2018 20: 49
      Not a lot, not a lot. It seems that rumors about the abandonment of the aircraft not from scratch arose
      Already stated we do not directly need a series, we won’t pull what rumors are there ... Everything has already been decided and voiced
    5. +1
      20 August 2018 02: 58
      Everything is correct, before a large party it is necessary to drive 12 pieces in the troops. We are not Americans, to make hundreds of worthless, and then to finish everything with a rasp.
    6. -3
      20 August 2018 03: 40
      the number 12 pieces is exactly the 12 that passed the test? In the course of general release will not be.
      1. +1
        20 August 2018 07: 21
        Quote: nikoliski
        the number 12 pieces is exactly the 12 that passed the test?

        naturally not. 12 units are 12 new aircraft. Of the prototypes (prototypes with the "T" index), only 11 are flight vehicles (and only two are more or less up to the future serial), three more are for ground tests.
    7. 0
      20 August 2018 13: 43
      Tenders in India, these are also those with dances and songs. The reasons can be indicated as you like, but given the fact that the Indians are constantly relying on money - they can’t pull this plane for money, or rather their own version of this plane. Now, apparently, they will reap the transfer of technology for construction and documentation, as was the case with the Su-30. Most likely, just the Indians were not offered the most delicious things - radars, avionics and engines, so in terms of stuffing for them, this Su-35 turned out to be in the Su-57 case. But we will discuss this cart for a long time!
  2. +17
    19 August 2018 18: 33
    "not much" for another analyte, if the cost of one su-57 is about 5 lard, then even 12 is a lot. And the Indians just zazhralis, without investing not shit, they want everything at once.
    1. 0
      19 August 2018 20: 57
      And the Indians simply snickered, without investing not horseradish, they want everything at once.
      The Hindus simply do not want to sponsor most of the development, and after that they will also buy 5 billion cars ... They wouldn’t refuse
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 09: 55
        If the Hindus cannot participate in the project with their brains, then let them participate at least with the money.
  3. +10
    19 August 2018 18: 41
    Everything goes according to plan. A start. A thick or not they know there.
    1. +9
      19 August 2018 18: 47
      A chicken by the grain and the whole yard in fertilizer, all at once does not happen.
    2. 0
      19 August 2018 20: 08
      Quote: ODERVIT
      A thick or not they know there.

      strange conviction. "there" is the ultimate truth? something too much stocks ...
  4. +8
    19 August 2018 18: 44
    To implement the technology of the 2nd stage engine, through all the problems and troubles (the sanctions bans are very serious on some equipment), they made their way, and the engines were brought to testing! Not long now. Sometimes developers should be allowed to "lick" everything, and not press them with deadlines and dates ... Especially in such "search" research projects.
  5. +10
    19 August 2018 18: 51
    Everything is fine, planes of this level are not a bunch of nuts, so take it out of your pocket and put it down.

    Mastering, and quite successfully, much more time will pass until the pilots are taught, the engines of the next stage will be mastered.

    And soon only cats will be born))
    1. +2
      19 August 2018 19: 33
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      And soon only cats will be born))

      really ... what can be done in 8 years ... (from the first flight)
      1. -1
        19 August 2018 20: 51
        you looked at the F-35 before the negative came out here, wrestler.
      2. 0
        20 August 2018 14: 49
        For example, to launch the F-22 series for which it took just 8 years.
      3. +3
        20 August 2018 16: 42
        So the beginning of work on the super-duper F-22 - March 1986 (the decision on the development - 1981)
        And the first serial board in the Air Force arrived only in 2004!
        So, how is it in arithmetic? 2004-1986 = 18 years.
        According to the Su-57 - the launch of the program in 2001, in 2004 - the layout, in 2010 - the first flight model, in 2018 - the launch of the series. Let's say the first serial will be in 2019.
        Arithmetic does not lie - the same 18 years.
        At the same time, no one imposed sanctions on the United States ...
        By the way, the notorious F-35 also started in 2001.
        The first flight model in 2010, like Drying, began testing at 12 and ... it started!
        The plane seems to be in a series, in parts, but who can argue that he is a serious fighter, and not a means of replenishing Lockheed’s budget?
        Maybe it was better to spend another 9 years on testing?
        And ... I forgot, now hexagonal ones will come running and with an important look they will say that the penguin will tear everyone, but ... no one will see or recognize this.
        Well, yes, he is invisible, his mother ...
    2. -1
      20 August 2018 09: 57
      Yes, for example, I don’t argue, only when these planes reach the combat units will they again become outdated and we will again have to catch up ... that’s all.
      1. +1
        20 August 2018 19: 44
        So that 57 is out of date, you have to wait about 60 years)))
  6. +6
    19 August 2018 18: 57
    Sign up first! We know this song well, to promise does not mean getting married.
    Meanwhile, it was 8 years, test flights. No matter how they later said that the plane was already outdated.
    1. +8
      19 August 2018 19: 10
      4th generation is not out of date, if that.
      The whole world flies on it and does not buzz.
      1. +1
        19 August 2018 21: 10
        4th generation is not out of date, if that.
        The whole world flies on it and does not buzz.


        This is the point! Is there an airplane? There is. Why rivet hundreds of 57 if there are fourth-generation aircraft that can perform exactly the same tasks? And in parallel, 57 can be finished))))
        1. +1
          20 August 2018 12: 41
          Why rivet hundreds of 57 if there are fourth-generation aircraft that can perform exactly the same tasks?


          Exactly, here you guessed the 1st. And more precisely, the SU-57 is still unable to fulfill its tasks: the tasks of a 5th generation airplane ... Of course, why then it is needed and the 2nd stage engines have nothing to do with it. ... And if more precisely, the Russian Armed Forces do not have the concept of a 5th generation aircraft at all! There is an answer, but there is no concept ... There are signs of a 5th generation aircraft, and where they came from, why they are needed, and why the Su -57 plane is needed at all, the generals don’t know, haven’t come up yet ......
          1. +1
            20 August 2018 19: 49
            SU-57 can not yet perform its tasks


            In Syria, he did NOT fulfill his tasks so much that it caused fierce hysteria among mattresses, hexagons and yellow-blue ones, moreover, these were pre-production models)))

            why do you need a Su -57 airplane at all, the generals don’t know, haven’t come up yet


            Well, in ancient Sumeria, they can’t come up with anything, they fly all to the south-north)))
    2. +6
      19 August 2018 19: 11
      Quote: kebeskin
      No matter how they later said that the plane was already outdated.

      In what year did the SU-27 "put on the wing" begin, can you tell me?
      1. +9
        19 August 2018 20: 04
        Su-27 in the year 77 began testing. At the beginning of the 80s he began to enter the troops. And they adopted it in 85g. Su-35S was adopted last year, and the first flight of the Su-35 was in 2008 ... By the way, the Americans spend no less time creating a new generation of aircraft. According to them, the F-22 was too expensive. They wanted to make F-35s under 50 mil., But in reality it turned out much more expensive. It is still not very clear how much it will cost to maintain.
        In my opinion, the Indians will not go anywhere. Only now they will pay for it in full. hi
        1. +1
          19 August 2018 20: 20
          Quote: Kasym
          Su-27 in the year 77 began testing. At the beginning of the 80s he began to enter the troops. And adopted in 85g.

          Yes, at 77, no ... at 8 State Research Institute of the Air Force, yes, mass production began in 82, GOSI finished at 85, and began to join the troops at the end of 85. in the "P" variant - the 60th air defense IAP.
          Quote: Kasym
          In my opinion, the Indians will not go anywhere. Only now they will pay for it in full

          The Indians will not go anywhere. If we "transfer" all the technologies to them FULLY and more ... "something" bully
    3. +1
      19 August 2018 20: 14
      A raptor with a fat Penguin, do you think it's old? The first is no longer available, and the second, in fact, is also still tested and finished. (except Jews).
      1. -2
        19 August 2018 20: 52
        Quote: Fil743
        The first is no longer available, and the second, in fact, is also still tested and finished. (except Jews).

        And that the Jews drank f-35, there seems to be a new run in there too, and the military Bibi increased the budget, obviously something will go to dope f-35 ... laughing
        1. +2
          19 August 2018 21: 08
          So the squadron is whole (+ Ф16). Already combat sorties over 10 .... Do you all live in the world of advertising? And we already have factories producing repair kits ..
          1. +5
            19 August 2018 21: 57
            Quote: Shahno
            Already combat sorties over 10 ....
            Such fighting? I would understand that it’s military, if the Israeli Air Force flew at least over Iran, without having received the wreckage of the f-35 or other vehicles. And so what I wrote to you there only confirms the principle of your power, to beat the weak and pass them off as the strong .... negative
            We show the same thing every day, it is clear that information drugs are affecting you, but for some reason we offer it to you ... request
            1. +2
              19 August 2018 22: 06
              We do not beat the weak, so, a little bit of jamming ... And then, we still want to agree, we connect whole Egypt with Qatar, and where is the understanding?
              1. +3
                19 August 2018 22: 12
                Quote: Shahno
                We do not beat the weak, so, a little bit of jamming ... And then, we still want to agree, the whole of Egypt and Qatar are connected, and where is the understanding?

                What kind of tricks then in Syria, which does not have air defense on the veil ?! A signal to Iran, well, it’s just ridiculous, but a direct signal to send to Iran is weak, no, you’re not who you say you are .....
            2. +1
              20 August 2018 10: 04
              "if the Israeli Air Force flew at least over Iran" ///
              ----
              They flew over Iran. You do not follow the press at all?
              After the flight of objects and cities of Iran by F-35 fighters, the Iranian air defense commander was fired.
              1. 0
                20 August 2018 19: 33
                The main thing is that you have a place to land if you are touched !!! And even less hypocrisy, you can show off if the pyndos stand behind, and there would be no place for wet ... Heroes !!!
          2. +1
            19 August 2018 22: 00
            Quote: Shahno
            And we already have factories producing repair kits ..
            Expert too ... lol
          3. +1
            19 August 2018 22: 25
            Already repair kits ?!
          4. +1
            20 August 2018 02: 20
            Quote: Shahno
            And we already have factories producing repair kits ..

            Great! fellow We didn’t have time to “use it”, but we already needed repair kits! lol The people say in such cases: "You will work for medicines all your life!" wink
            1. ZVO
              +2
              20 August 2018 07: 30
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: Shahno
              And we already have factories producing repair kits ..

              Great! fellow We didn’t have time to “use it”, but we already needed repair kits! lol The people say in such cases: "You will work for medicines all your life!" wink


              Those. in your life - the mechanism that is being exploited - does not wear out?
              Details do not produce a resource?
              Are you from another planet?

              How stupid are the arguments of people who are simply trying to "bite" Israel at any cost ...
              1. +2
                20 August 2018 15: 09
                Yo-mine! How many "inadequacies" have appeared on VO lately! Precisely, recently! The previous "line-up" had a sense of humor and could understand quite a gentle joke; but now you are faced with a "contingent" with "brains in a spat", without humor, but with unjustified aplomb!
                Quote: ZVO
                trying to "bite" Israel at any cost ...
                1. ZVO
                  0
                  23 August 2018 20: 56
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Yo-mine! How many "inadequacies" have appeared on VO lately! Precisely, recently! The previous "line-up" had a sense of humor and could understand quite a gentle joke; but now you are faced with a "contingent" with "brains in a spat", without humor, but with unjustified aplomb!
                  Quote: ZVO
                  trying to "bite" Israel at any cost ...


                  You are not joking nifiga ... do not try to "change your shoes" ... I have been on the forum for many years. and I see. who is joking and who has a sense of humor ... and who is not joking ...
                  Joker pancake ...

                  Someone needs to grow a brain to learn how to joke ...
                  contingent - a word from Gufsin?
    4. 0
      20 August 2018 09: 59
      That's what I'm talking about. We are really technologically behind the entire aviation segment, there are more than one type of machines in mass. Although air defense is the best in the world (no kidding), and it pleases.
  7. +4
    19 August 2018 19: 12
    Knowing that with our officials the summer may end on December 33 at 36 hours 97 minutes, it will take a long time to wait! !!
    1. 0
      20 August 2018 14: 46
      It’s hard for you in Iceland.
  8. -8
    19 August 2018 19: 14
    One squadron on old engines. It’s sad. Are the improvements after the Syrian application so expensive? Or are there no new engines yet?
    1. 0
      19 August 2018 20: 19
      Quote: Aviator_
      Are the improvements after the Syrian application so expensive?

      what application? They were there for a day or two in Syria. What is the application? So, count on a walk. There are no engines, and most importantly (does it fly on the old? Does it fly. Doesn't it fall? Ugh, ugh ..) The Americans took their "Tomcat" out of the blue, because they really needed an airplane) - there is no money for a full-fledged batch (so that at least to complete the regiment)
      1. -2
        19 August 2018 22: 37
        So, for this day or two, we received material for further reflection.
        1. +1
          19 August 2018 23: 15
          do not make me laugh. He couldn’t get anything serious there that wouldn’t crawl out at a training ground in Russia. In addition, do you think that the first batch will go defective? Why then buy it at all? let turnips scratch, modify.
          The whole reason is purely financial
          1. -1
            20 August 2018 13: 00
            No one in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia knows why it is needed? And the VKS just wants to fly on a new airplane ... Someone knows why a 5th generation airplane is needed, what is its main purpose and essence?
    2. +1
      20 August 2018 02: 28
      Quote: Aviator_
      Or are there no new engines yet?

      Not yet ... but they will be soon. They do.
      Quote: Aviator_

      One squadron on old engines. It’s sad.

      So far, no big deal ... This "squadron" is still needed for training, retraining of pilots, technicians ... for trial operation in order to identify hidden defects, to develop tactics for use ...
  9. 0
    19 August 2018 19: 15
    It is a pity that in such living matters one has to guess and try to guess the true background of the decisions made. They say one thing, the motivating reasons are different ... But this has been going on since the days of the Trojan War.
  10. +1
    19 August 2018 19: 26
    Yuri Slyusar, that "talking head" ... He himself does not know what he is talking about. Better that the UAC got hold of a red-haired girl "A la Psaki" as press secretaries. Then everything would become clear. The engine is supersonic ready, but who will buy it? You need at least 500 (at least) orders to be put on stream.
    1. -2
      19 August 2018 19: 53
      Quote: rruvim
      Yuri Slyusar, that "talking head".

      But this "head" fool because SOMEONE ... "appointed" wassat bully wink
      1. 0
        19 August 2018 20: 02
        Quote: Random
        Quote: rruvim
        Yuri Slyusar, that "talking head".

        But this "head" fool because SOMEONE ... "appointed" wassat bully wink

        another head ... conveyor! Slusar-head, Borisov-head, Shoigu-head ... three heads ... does not resemble anything? lol
        1. +1
          19 August 2018 20: 23
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Slusar-head, Borisov-head, Shoigu-head ... three heads ... does not resemble anything?

          Rogozin Jr ... forgot lol drinks
    2. +1
      19 August 2018 21: 04
      Quote: rruvim
      that "talking head" ...

      Well, they will not interfere in the arms race, and do not step on the old rake again, they do as much as possible and necessary. We won’t win a nuclear war not on the Su-57, money is now going to the Strategic Missile Forces in priority, nuclear submarines, but they don’t forget about the Su-57 either, they themselves must understand the priorities of the nuclear power .... hi
      ps. Or maybe you're not living in a nuclear power Roman ..... lol
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 16: 23
        I would advise you to watch the movie "Stanley Kubrick. Doctor Strangelove, or How I Stopped Being Afraid and Loved the Atomic Bomb". A very instructive video ...
    3. 0
      20 August 2018 16: 53
      For strategists, for some reason, they cost less.
      And any more fighters are planned to be produced.
      Not an argument!
  11. +3
    19 August 2018 19: 45
    As much as they have plundered and continue to be plundered in power structures and the military-industrial complex, it would be quite enough for planes and tanks, and for ships!
    In general, it is interesting, and if there is a call - "Everything for the rearmament of the army!" How it will be perceived, especially by patriotic pessimists, who only regret - "pity", "sadness" and others. Is it hard to believe that now, someone is ready to give not only their savings, but at least a monthly salary, for the needs of defense?
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    2. +2
      19 August 2018 22: 39
      Here the monthly salary of Rogozin or Slusar for defense would not hurt to give.
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 02: 21
        Quote: Aviator_
        Here the monthly salary of Rogozin or Slusar for defense would not hurt to give.

        there you don’t need to check your salary, but rather a summer house, and you can definitely add a few cash wagons to the piggy bank ... laughing
    3. +1
      20 August 2018 02: 35
      You shouldn't have it ... I have repeatedly (since the 90s ...) proposed to create a Fund for Assistance to the Army and Navy, where people could voluntarily contribute money; and he is ready to do it himself ... I am sure there would be many "volunteers"!
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        20 August 2018 08: 00
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        You shouldn't have it ... I have repeatedly (since the 90s ...) proposed to create a Fund for Assistance to the Army and Navy, where people could voluntarily contribute money; and he is ready to do it himself ... I am sure there would be many "volunteers"!


        5 billion for the Su-57 ...
        200 billion for Kazan ...
        400 million for "Armata" ...

        Can you divide and multiply?
        Population of the country. income level. pension sizes - look ...
        How many mortgages ...
        How many loans ...
        Delinquency and default rate ...


        Just look not at the military and not at military pensioners ....
        ... but for ordinary people ..
        1. +2
          20 August 2018 14: 56
          M-d-ah! Indeed, "classics"! ,, Who wants to do business, he does! Who does not want ... he is looking for reasons and excuses! "
      2. 0
        20 August 2018 14: 43
        DOSAAF or what?
    4. +2
      20 August 2018 02: 45

      The grandmother reproaches her granddaughter for "immorality" ... The granddaughter can not stand it and says: "But how is it ... in your village after the war, 2 peasants remained, but in each house there were 5 children?" The grandmother looked at her granddaughter in bewilderment: " So this is for the Motherland! " There were conscious people!
  12. +3
    19 August 2018 20: 22
    Well, in vain you gentlemen so in vain ... The airplane is very interesting, and even with a big double bottom ...
    You are all right and the Indians are right, and poor performance on power plants and stealth characteristics. But as they say, fools are not shown unfinished ...
    A little historical background is the beginning of the 90s euphoria from the introduction of stealth technologies, at that time Borya-Alkash proposes to develop plasma stealth technology with them .... (there was a lot of information in the press of that time)
    Our time: the Vanguard missile system is unveiled - how does it fly? They love with us, everything two-medium is like an automatic machine, and I’ll leave everyone in the air and in the air ...
    It flies up as usual - at a great distance, low stealth is not critical, it is invisible, but when entering the detection zone the plasma generator will make it invisible (the plasma will absorb all the radiation), but the first stage is weak - the plasma is unstable. There will be overloads - Mama Do not Cry - but how many pilots do we have capable of solving combat missions with such overloads? In general, this wakes up a squad of astronauts 1 ... (by the way, this is a 2th generation developer with full automation or AI)
    Wish: let's introduce a division on the forum - THE SPEAKER BIRD DIFFERENT MUST BE MIND AND CONFORMABILITY. and yet, you need to change the shoulder straps for the language icon (the length, the more authoritative), otherwise you read the generals from linguistics ....
  13. 0
    19 August 2018 20: 45
    Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Alexei Krivoruchko announced the conclusion of the first contract for the supply of 12 fifth-generation fighter Su-57. According to him, the aircraft factory in Komsomolsk-on-Amur without delay carries out state defense orders, reports RIA Novosti.
  14. +2
    19 August 2018 21: 02
    We read the article to the end.
    Yuri Slyusar did not name the cost of the Su-57, but he noted that it will be higher than that of the 4th generation aircraft, since they have much wider functionality, including combat characteristics

    My question is: why is the price increasing? Usually consider the cost of production plus R&D. And the advanced functionality is simply the capabilities of a new product.
    Maybe this approach can go for export, but for your army ..... we are looking for the bloodsucker of our tax money.
    Eh, Yura, Yura, and we idolized you so much as the creator of "not having analogs"
    1. +1
      19 August 2018 21: 16
      Quote: andr327
      Maybe this approach can go for export.
      Yes it is, they will obviously sell it when direct orders go. Now they also sell what was then not sold from analogues ...
      Quote: andr327
      looking for the bloodsucker of our tax money.

      Yes, they reduce revenues to the regions without this aircraft, there is a military program, they correct it 10 times a year, but they always ask for more. Here they play with the rest of the money, since it is more difficult for them to find an application, and to return them to the budget, it means they will take others .... Yes hi
      1. +1
        19 August 2018 21: 21
        Well, money is always stressful, but the issue of pricing .... is a crustacean. They came up with a number and customize everything else for it.
    2. +4
      19 August 2018 21: 26
      Well, the fifth generation cannot be cheaper than the fourth however.
      And to reduce production costs in general, it is very much influenced by the series. The larger the series, the cheaper each particular unit will be. Here's something like that explained to me at the courses of accountants about twenty years ago.
    3. +3
      19 August 2018 22: 15
      Quote: andr327
      My question is: why is the price increasing? Usually consider the cost of production plus R&D. And the advanced functionality is simply the capabilities of a new product.

      To be honest, I didn't understand the question. Yes, the extended functionality is "just a possibility", but it did not appear at the behest. A simple example is the expanded functionality in terms of airspace control (the so-called smart casing) of the Su-57 is provided by five radars of various types. The Su-35 has one radar. So why would the Su-57 avionics cost the same as the Su-35?
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 14: 41
        The assembly should be cheaper, but, most likely, the debugging was adjusted from the beginning, adjusted for low-volume, the following machines may be cheaper.
    4. 0
      19 August 2018 23: 25
      Quote: andr327
      My question is: why is the price increasing?

      and why should a product with a higher cost cost the same or cheaper than a product with a lower cost? All the same, a more complex and expensive glider, a new and more expensive avionics (motors do not yet consider)
      By the way, R&D is not included in the cost of the final (shipped to the customer) aircraft. The state already paid for it when it paid KD
      1. ZVO
        0
        20 August 2018 08: 23
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: andr327
        My question is: why is the price increasing?

        and why should a product with a higher cost cost the same or cheaper than a product with a lower cost? All the same, a more complex and expensive glider, a new and more expensive avionics (motors do not yet consider)
        By the way, R&D is not included in the cost of the final (shipped to the customer) aircraft. The state already paid for it when it paid KD


        In addition to R&D, there is such a thing as re-equipment of production ...
        Piece, prototypes - made by hand, so to speak, "file".
        But for mass production - you need the appropriate machine park, technological and other equipment, technological maps, trained personnel, a system for accounting for warehouse storage and goods distribution - and this already falls on the shoulders of production enterprises.

        And these are many tens, if not hundreds of billions of rubles.
        And under the conditions of sanctions, it’s already unrealistic to buy a high-tech machine.
  15. +3
    19 August 2018 21: 13
    The goat understands that their cost will be higher, and the goat understands as soon as the new engines go ... Hindu brothers will immediately forget to assure us of the utmost respect and intolerance for us. There’s no need to even go to the grandmother. hi
  16. +3
    19 August 2018 21: 21
    ... This is the so-called installation party of Russian fighters ...


    This is the key phrase of the message. If this is true, if no one has confused anything, then the plane is completely ready, because, in essence, the "pilot batch" establishes technological readiness production, not products. Readiness Enterprises to produce a product with the declared characteristics in the planned volumes for a certain time.
    I sincerely congratulate all those involved in this major event.
    It remains to finish only one thing - the engine of the second stage.
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  18. 0
    19 August 2018 22: 28
    Hindus already promised technology transfer laughing That's right, they have foolish money.
  19. 0
    19 August 2018 22: 29
    And the standard radars on them will be or PFAR with the Su-35S, something on this subject of silence.
    1. 0
      20 August 2018 14: 39
      I doubt that the Irbis, and even with hydraulics, will fit in size, the nose looks quite compact.
  20. 0
    19 August 2018 22: 31
    Trepachi, we are ringing the whole world .. we are, and that we are lacking in intelligence and nothing more. The staff was not prepared, and they do not want to pay what kind of money they have. So the question ran into the wall.
  21. +1
    20 August 2018 00: 06
    Good news.
    At the installation party, the remaining jambs and shortcomings will be caught.
    Well, with the engine of the second stage, serial delivery will already go.
  22. +1
    20 August 2018 01: 15
    buying a batch of aircraft can pursue 2 goals. 1. to support financially for the implementation of further improvements, plus production capacities will not stand idle and further syrian production will be honed. 2. since Soviet times, the completion of any weapon, except for a very simple one, for example, was always carried out in the army by writing complaints about the identified jambs and this happened over almost the entire period of operation. I am not an expert, this is just my opinion))
    1. -1
      20 August 2018 07: 27
      Quote: Spartanec
      to support financially for further improvements, plus production facilities will not stand idle

      production facilities are not idle anyway. The order for the Su-35 is quite stable.
      Quote: Spartanec
      since Soviet times, the completion of any weapon, except for a very simple one, for example, has always been carried out in the army

      Gentleman, so all over the world, this is not a Soviet invention) They accept what is the technique (unless, of course, it is needed), then gradually, in the process of military operation, they bring it up. During scheduled repairs in factories, parts, etc.
  23. -8
    20 August 2018 01: 26
    Hurray, finally the "F-22 and F-35 killer" has flooded. It doesn't matter that he falls short in all respects. It doesn't matter that NOBODY from independent countries said "good plane" (the reviews about the F-35 are excellent). Moreover, the Indians generally said that it was no good for anything.
    But we went "into series" 12 pieces ... just a peremog.
    Here it would be necessary to carry out arrests and generally figure out where the enemy is.
    1. +3
      20 August 2018 02: 08
      As always, your comments are a "masterpiece".
  24. 0
    20 August 2018 10: 07
    The project is very important for the future of Russia. Su-57 - a whole bunch of new technologies.
    It is a pity if the project stalls due to underfunding.
    1. 0
      20 August 2018 10: 35
      sometimes according to the descriptions it seems that it was the tangle, and not the harmonious system, that they did what they could from what was.
      1. +1
        20 August 2018 14: 21
        This is the first Russian stealth, it is the first AFAR. A jump to fully digital technology. The main thing is not to give up or stop trying to improve the product.
  25. 0
    20 August 2018 11: 33
    Hmm, why is this necessary? We have a su35 which has no analogues. And to be honest, I do not believe in the engine of the second stage only because among the directors of the UEC is the name of the well-known and beloved furniture maker (Serdyukov). First Chubais in Rusnano, then the furniture maker, apparently, the trend is this - to push all corrupt officials into high-tech clusters of the Russian economy
  26. 0
    20 August 2018 11: 33
    So our Indians decided everything and continue to build the Su-57
    Here is the link http://rusnext.ru/news/1534704992
  27. 0
    20 August 2018 13: 37
    We are talking about the supply of 12 fifth-generation fighters (Su-5).

    Already 12 !!!
    "Strong" move.
  28. -1
    20 August 2018 14: 37
    A normal plan for a couple of years, while production is unfolding, then you can move on to the pace of production, like the Su-35. It is possible that the cars have already begun to assemble. Well, something should be clarified by Su-34 and Su-30СМ, instead of which, it seems, as MS-21 should begin to be released.

    Perhaps we will move on to a two-type configuration from the light MiG-35 and heavy Su-57, if the price difference is twofold, it will make sense, and the niche of the light bomber is empty, and the USA filled it with F-16. And the latest derivatives of Su-27 will serve the next years 20-30.

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