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Media: Merkel offered to introduce thousands of peacekeepers in the Donbass to 40

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Ukrainian media referring to the Telegram-channel of the Echo of Moscow editor-in-chief replicate a statement about what kind of initiative to resolve the conflict in Donbas sounded to Russian President Vladimir Putin from Angela Merkel. If you believe these publications, the German chancellor suggested that the Russian president support the introduction of an international peacekeeping force in the Donbass.


Particularly noteworthy is the message about the possible number of peacekeepers in the conflict zone. In a post that was made by Alexei Venediktov, it is stated that Merkel offered to introduce in the Donbass 30-40 thousand (!) peacekeepers. The same message refers to Merkel’s proposal for allegedly introducing an “international administration” in Donetsk and Lugansk.

After some time, the post of Venediktov appeared in the news material on Radio Echo of Moscow website.

The same material reports on further reciprocal (from Moscow and Berlin) support for the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.

Returning to the initiative to deploy in the Donbas to 40 thousands of international peacekeepers, we need to touch on the very possibility of deploying such an extensive contingent. It also raises the question of how significant financial expenditures will require the deployment of tens of thousands of peacekeepers in a region that is suffering from civil war.

Media: Merkel offered to introduce thousands of peacekeepers in the Donbass to 40


And the main question is whether the collective West will be ready to finance a real end to the conflict after its overt provocation with the “guarantees” provided by the opposition to Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 of the year. Recall that the gangs of the radicals staged a bloody massacre, which led to an actual violent change of power, in the center of Kiev just a few hours after Germany, Poland and France declared themselves the guarantors of the political "civilized" process in Ukraine.
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  1. Logall
    Logall 19 August 2018 13: 42
    +33
    the introduction of “international administration” in Donetsk and Lugansk.

    If they agree to this, then “write it’s gone” - there will be no young republic, blood will be shed in vain.
    I hope that he is smart enough ... Otherwise, again - "we were deceived" ..!
    1. poquello
      poquello 19 August 2018 13: 50
      +5
      Quote: Logall
      the introduction of “international administration” in Donetsk and Lugansk.

      If they agree to this, then “write it’s gone” - there will be no young republic, blood will be shed in vain.
      I hope that he is smart enough ... Otherwise, again - "we were deceived" ..!

      and in the LDNR the word "international" is not abusive?
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 August 2018 17: 14
        +11
        This is a provocation on the part of Moscow's "Ear" ...
      2. romandostalo
        romandostalo 19 August 2018 17: 14
        0
        Something the Poles quickly forgot what ended the international guarantees for them in 1939 ....
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 19 August 2018 14: 09
      +40
      ... Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in the Donbass ...

      And it started "breaking copies".
      The information came from the post of Venediktov, editor-in-chief of EKH MATSA.
      This discussion can end.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 19 August 2018 14: 43
        +7
        Quote: Andrey K
        from the post of Venediktov - editor-in-chief of "EKHA MATS".
        This discussion can end.

        That's right!
        But in fact, with regard to peacekeepers, a series of impossibilities should be clear to a normal person.
        1. There can be no trust in the West after the German-French-Polish "guarantees" to Yanukovych.
        2. Who will pay 40 тыс. army?
        3. Where will the peacekeepers come from, and if from NATO countries, then who will protect them themselves? For the local warriors tend to scatter at the first threat to life, and the public is extremely sensitive to losses.
        Etc. etc.
        1. Cat
          Cat 19 August 2018 15: 10
          0
          Come on!
          I dare to suggest that Frau offered V.Putin “40 thousand is enough for you to annex half of Ukraine? Only the second half of Germany is out of the question. That's where the international contingent comes from !!! bully
          Well, do not take us on 39999 - one Mongol? laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 19 August 2018 16: 50
            +3
            And Putin replied: "Mrs. Merkel, Angela, gold, do you remember how the partition of Poland ended 80 years ago?"
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 19 August 2018 20: 31
              +1
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              And Putin replied: "Mrs. Merkel, Angela, gold, do you remember how the partition of Poland ended 80 years ago?"

              And what ended the peacekeeping mission in Yugoslavia. And then there, Shaise Frau thinks of LDNR, will they agree with the occupation?
      2. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 19 August 2018 15: 12
        +7
        Quote: Andrey K
        ... Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in the Donbass ...

        And it started "breaking copies".
        The information came from the post of Venediktov, editor-in-chief of EKH MATSA.
        This discussion can end.


        Venediktov should be attracted for plagiarism -
        “After they see, there is nothing to do, - to me. And at that very moment couriers, couriers, couriers ... you can imagine thirty-five thousand couriers alone! ” (C)

        he just rounded a little wassat
      3. lis-ik
        lis-ik 19 August 2018 19: 17
        0
        Quote: Andrey K
        ... Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in the Donbass ...

        And it started "breaking copies".
        The information came from the post of Venediktov, editor-in-chief of EKH MATSA.
        This discussion can end.

        How does one zombie station for liberals differ from another Vesti-FM for zombie patriots?
        1. PalBor
          PalBor 19 August 2018 22: 29
          +1
          For example, I listen to the station for "zombie patriots", I often swear at it, but I listen. And I can't do a station for the liberals: it really stinks, and I'm squeamish.
    3. olegactor
      olegactor 19 August 2018 17: 06
      +1
      the truth ... it's all exactly what to put a goat in the garden .... only Russian armed forces can be peacekeepers
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 19 August 2018 17: 08
      +3
      Quote: Logall
      If they agree to this, then "write wasted"

      hi
      In fact, this is the concept of Walker. I do not think that the chancellor suggested such a thing to Putin. Most likely someone’s Wishlist. Meanwhile, in the Donbass over the past day, the loss of APU:
    5. sgazeev
      sgazeev 19 August 2018 17: 41
      +1
      Quote: Logall
      Ukrainian media, citing the Telegram channel of the editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow, are circulating a statement about exactly which initiative to resolve the conflict in the Donbas was voiced by Russian President Vladimir Putin from Angela Merkel.

      Read where the information comes from. Ukrainian media, citing the Telegram channel of the editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow, are circulating a statement about exactly which initiative to resolve the conflict in the Donbas was voiced by Russian President Vladimir Putin from Angela Merkel. lol
    6. lis-ik
      lis-ik 19 August 2018 19: 15
      0
      Quote: Logall
      the introduction of “international administration” in Donetsk and Lugansk.

      If they agree to this, then “write it’s gone” - there will be no young republic, blood will be shed in vain.
      I hope that he is smart enough ... Otherwise, again - "we were deceived" ..!

      The main achievement is SP-2, the rest are trifles.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 19 August 2018 13: 42
    +11
    As I read about Venediktov, then everything became clear. The first provocateur
    1. dog breeder
      dog breeder 19 August 2018 13: 48
      0
      As I read about Venediktov, then everything became clear. The first provocateur

      Yes, even ECHO.
    2. Borisovich
      Borisovich 19 August 2018 14: 12
      +9
      Quote: 210ox
      The first provocateur

      Oh, that venge of dictations! oh this little rascal. He was sitting under the table during negotiations.
      1. Opera
        Opera 19 August 2018 14: 38
        +4
        Ukrainian media and Echo is power! 30-40 thousand peacekeepers are likely to level the forces with the Russian army, because exactly such an amount of the RF military in the Donbass appears regularly in the Ukrainian media and statements of various Ukrainian officials (I almost wrote a face). It was up to 200 !!!))) I have a question, one peacemaker against one Russian soldier is that, what is that ?!?!?! The total disregard of the collective West for UN peacekeepers ?! No pity?!
    3. ANCIENT
      ANCIENT 19 August 2018 14: 33
      0
      Venya Diktov lol there will be one immediately for a hundred peacekeepers - in terms of eating, sleeping, and getting free loot wassat So consider how many like him you need to get the figure of 40 thousand Wen and similar liberties!
  3. svp67
    svp67 19 August 2018 13: 44
    +8
    I would not believe it, not "echo", let alone "ukroSMI". But the figure itself is interesting: 30..40 thousand. I remember not long ago "ukroSMI" said that in the Donbass 35 ... 39 thousand Russian troops. It looks like there is some kind of magic in the numbers from 30 to 40 thousand
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 August 2018 13: 51
      0
      You think that they didn’t take it from the ceiling? laughing
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 19 August 2018 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      I would not believe it, not "echo", let alone "ukroSMI". But the figure itself is interesting: 30..40 thousand. I remember not long ago "ukroSMI" said that in the Donbass 35 ... 39 thousand Russian troops. It looks like there is some kind of magic in the numbers from 30 to 40 thousand


      I quoted the source code above feel Gogol is still a mystical writer ...
  4. kefan
    kefan 19 August 2018 13: 47
    +5
    I hope that Russia will never do this, although after the recent events, to put it mildly, not very popular reforms, you can expect anything.
  5. dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 19 August 2018 13: 47
    +1
    And why not 400 thousand? It’s time for my grandmother to retire, inadequate at all ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 August 2018 13: 53
      0
      Well, it’s just that there are no 400000 Russian troops ... It's really the magic of numbers ..
  6. dog breeder
    dog breeder 19 August 2018 13: 47
    +4
    Imagine forty thousand on the line of demarcation, shoulder to shoulder! Beauties! And the international administration ... in Kiev!
  7. Chichikov
    Chichikov 19 August 2018 13: 47
    +13
    After Yugoslavia, not coordinated with the LPR, on the basis of a popular referendum, the introduction of even "Colorado beetles" will be considered by the people of Donbass as a pro-Western occupation! The people who endured the horrors of 2014-2015 and continue to survive in the war for the fifth year are not a ping-pong ball in the hands of Grandma Merkel and her accomplices.
  8. poquello
    poquello 19 August 2018 13: 48
    +3
    no confidence to the bourgeois
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    2. Terenin
      Terenin 19 August 2018 15: 47
      +5
      Rum (Sergey) Today, 13:48 NEW
      Ukrainian media, citing the Telegram channel of the editor-in-chief of the Echo of Moscow using photos from Facebook, IT'S SIMPLY REASONED The Military Bulletin !! .... Not a lot yet and you will already become a yellow press ... Keep it up and soon the site will cease to be thematic .... It's a shame, but nothing .. then we will look after the site on the subject ... Yes, I almost forgot, my dear * well-wisher * I'm waiting for your cons. just don't spit on the monitor
      All the "weed" appears there (including the "yellow press"), where favorable living conditions have formed for this. It is not necessary to create these conditions or "weed" them with objective information (publications). And, for objectivity, only a minority puts "cons".
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  10. Jerk
    Jerk 19 August 2018 13: 49
    0
    Correct solution. Only for the entire territory of the regions and with the participation of the Russian Federation. Here they will have fun watching the world and the rule of law in Mariupol for example!
    And with the "international administration" - they will break off. New Russia is just not a colony like Kukuev
  11. askort154
    askort154 19 August 2018 13: 54
    +5
    I recommend not to pollute the site VO, "Echo" -th and "'re coming out-media ". Be more serious. Yes
  12. Boris55
    Boris55 19 August 2018 14: 02
    -1
    After some time, Venediktov’s post appeared in the news material on the site of the radio “Echo of Moscow”.

    Believe this - do not respect yourself.

  13. tap
    tap 19 August 2018 14: 06
    +2
    40 peacekeepers to enter Germany. They have an occupation. How many US troops do they have in the country, and what are they doing there?
  14. crest
    crest 19 August 2018 14: 10
    +5
    I remember the words: "But where are we going to bury you all?" lol
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  16. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 August 2018 14: 16
    +3
    on the Telegram channel of the editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow
    And with Venediktov, probably Merkel herself shared her "proposals" and at the same time asked whether the liberal public in the person of "EM" would support her. Liberals from the opposition wishful thinking. There have been no official statements yet, but they are already trumpeting and dancing with impatience.
  17. dgonni
    dgonni 19 August 2018 14: 30
    +2
    Well, one word Echo of Moscow and the telegram channel as it hints.
  18. tTshka
    tTshka 19 August 2018 14: 34
    +2
    Ukrainian media, citing the Telegram channel of the chief editor of "Echo of Moscow" ... I did not read further))) wink
  19. Proton
    Proton 19 August 2018 15: 05
    +1
    As always, dive into the fan laughing
  20. 1536
    1536 19 August 2018 15: 10
    0
    We must offer Germany to return there a group of Russian troops, since it was withdrawn from Germany by mistake.
  21. Vovad
    Vovad 19 August 2018 15: 15
    -1
    Quote: Andrey K
    ... Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in the Donbass ...

    And it started "breaking copies".
    The information came from the post of Venediktov, editor-in-chief of EKH MATSA.
    This discussion can end.

    It turns out interestingly, I just read in VO the information received from the NEWSONE channel, this is the same anti-government channel among the Ukrainians, as we do with Echo of Moscow. He spoke there on the channel of the ex. (Former) Deputy Assistant to the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine, and the former regional ... but this did not bother anyone, the headline was - IN KIEV RECOGNIZED! Kiev wriggle ... and so on ... sources, why do we take on faith similar ones in other countries?
    1. Real russian
      Real russian 19 August 2018 15: 20
      +1
      Quote: Vovad
      Quote: Andrey K
      ... Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in the Donbass ...

      And it started "breaking copies".
      The information came from the post of Venediktov, editor-in-chief of EKH MATSA.
      This discussion can end.

      It turns out interestingly, I just read in VO the information received from the NEWSONE channel, this is the same anti-government channel among the Ukrainians, as we do with Echo of Moscow. He spoke there on the channel of the ex. (Former) Deputy Assistant to the Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine, and the former regional ... but this did not bother anyone, the headline was - IN KIEV RECOGNIZED! Kiev wriggle ... and so on ... sources, why do we take on faith similar ones in other countries?
      - Yes, simply because Echo is really one of the most honest media outlets in Russia. And you ask the question on the VO site - "patriotic" site. Comments are superfluous. :)
      1. Vovad
        Vovad 19 August 2018 15: 26
        +2
        The fact is that it was not for nothing that I asked this question. I THINK THAT VENIDIKTOV was given to SOUND TRUE INFORMATION, so that later to refute it on the basis that the original source was "ECHO MOSCOW". ("Echo of Moscow" belongs to Gazprom-Media Holding , 34% are divided among the journalists of the radio station, of which 18% belong to Alexei Venediktov personally)
        1. Real russian
          Real russian 19 August 2018 15: 31
          +3
          Quote: Vovad
          The fact is that it was not for nothing that I asked this question. I THINK THAT VENIDIKTOV was given to SOUND TRUE INFORMATION, so that later to refute it on the basis that the original source was "ECHO MOSCOW". ("Echo of Moscow" belongs to Gazprom-Media Holding , 34% are divided among the journalists of the radio station, of which 18% belong to Alexei Venediktov personally)
          - The Charter of Echo stipulates that editorial policy is determined only by the chief editor.
          Venediktov simply received this information, and voiced it. :))) Venediktov, as a professional journalist, gets into any ass without soap. :) This is common knowledge.
      2. Fungus
        Fungus 19 August 2018 16: 03
        -1
        I don’t agree about the Echo about the most honest media in Russia. I read so many lies with them before. Especially when there are any incidents or disasters in Russia. By the way, everyone piously believes on your Echo that Putin’s agents killed a group of journalists in the Central African Republic.
        1. poquello
          poquello 20 August 2018 00: 24
          0
          Quote: Fungus
          I don’t agree about the Echo about the most honest media in Russia.

          ett joke such, the most honest after dill media
    2. poquello
      poquello 19 August 2018 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Vovad
      this is the same anti-government channel

      But didn’t you try to navigate the truth of the channels?
  22. Semurg
    Semurg 19 August 2018 15: 19
    +1
    Nevertheless, it is interesting what the Russian grandfather and the German grandmother talked about for three hours. The most pressing issue is probably the intention of the American grandfather to impose sanctions on builders and future operators of the Nord Stream 2. hi
  23. Victor Sedashov
    Victor Sedashov 19 August 2018 15: 30
    +2
    True, Mrs. Merkel Vienna herself whispered in her ear in no other way.
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  24. mavrus
    mavrus 19 August 2018 15: 31
    0
    Does Merkel know about this? Something she did not say anything about Ukraine, and Putin only said about the "Minsk agreements", which do not provide for any "peacekeepers" in the Donbass. Or our Liberal Jews for Merkel decide everything.
  25. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2018 15: 32
    0
    In any case, NATO contains large forces around the perimeter and it doesn’t make much difference where they stand - in Bulgaria or Ukraine, so there will be no special costs for maintaining the contingent, but this is in the long term a sharp advance of NATO’s borders to the east and guaranteed dissociation of Ukraine from RF
    Moreover, Ukraine’s divisions will surely arise, which will already be subordinated not to Kiev, but to Brussels.
    Therefore, I am against the introduction of such a large contingent, especially without the participation of the Russian Federation. In fact, Ukraine will be turned into a large Baltic region - completely economically dependent and therefore controlled by puppets and preaching the ideology of Russia - the aggressor, from which only a miracle saved.
  26. Indifferent
    Indifferent 19 August 2018 15: 35
    +1
    I wonder who will finance such a hell of a lot of military? Venediktov clearly has something wrong with his head. I would have counted it!
    Even 4 thousand is problematic to contain! After all, troops should not be European! And will not be supported by the EU. And the UN has a gut thin on such numbers. In short nonsense of an old dog!
  27. VVK_VDB
    VVK_VDB 19 August 2018 15: 44
    -1
    Let the occupation administration be introduced in Lemberg.
  28. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 19 August 2018 15: 49
    +3
    Quote: Alekseev
    1. There can be no trust in the West after the German-French-Polish "guarantees" to Yanukovych.
    2. Who will pay 40 thousand troops?
    3. Where will the peacekeepers come from, and if from NATO countries, then who will protect them themselves? For the local warriors tend to scatter at the first threat to life, and the public is extremely sensitive to losses.

    1. You have to them - "there can be no trust", and those who consider them as Partners have the opposite ... well, at least as long as personal or state (although for them it is the same) money will be from these guaranteeing guarantors.
    By the way, this hijack with Western guarantees is quite understandable to the Russian elite. If you can throw with impunity, then why not?
    2. They will force Russia to pay, if not direct money, then the continuation of gas pumping through Ukraine, an increase in the tariff for pumping .... a thousand options. In part, Putin has already given his consent to Merkel.
    3. This is precisely how they want to introduce these "peacekeepers" in order to give the Ukronazists an indulgence for reprisals.
    Any introduction of such "peacekeepers" (supposedly partial, supposedly only to protect the European mission, supposedly only on the demarcation line, etc.) will sooner or later lead to the complete destruction of the free republics and to mass reprisals against the population.
  29. Terenin
    Terenin 19 August 2018 15: 54
    +5
    Recall that the gangs of radicals staged a bloody massacre that led to a virtually violent change of power in the center of Kiev just a few hours after Germany, Poland and France declared themselves the guarantors of the political "civilized" process in Ukraine.
    Now, if the publication began from this end, the content of the article would be completely different.
  30. yushch
    yushch 19 August 2018 16: 29
    0
    Why so little?
  31. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 19 August 2018 16: 35
    -1
    No, their APU is corrupted.
  32. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 19 August 2018 16: 43
    -2
    The question also arises of how significant financial costs will require the deployment of tens of thousands of peacekeepers in a region that is suffering from a civil war.
    And why should this really concern Russia? It seems to me somehow it’s not proper to look into someone else’s wallet, they want and pay. Nobody forbids Russia to restore the dome of the capitol in Havana at state expense.
    Well, do you understand the rest?
  33. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 August 2018 16: 58
    0
    Why is Putin calm when international law is violated? Why is Saakashvili still at large? Why not where it is not required to be held accountable for violation of international agreements? When a lot of why, then the conflicts will continue.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 August 2018 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: steel maker
      Why is Putin calm when international law is violated?

      Because "international law" was established by the USSR. Remind me when the USSR was closed? Since then, there is no international law.
      1. GibSoN
        GibSoN 19 August 2018 20: 38
        -1
        Because "international law" was established by the USSR

        Dig deeper! And before the USSR, in general, life on earth did not exist ..
  34. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 19 August 2018 17: 19
    +3
    Merkel proposed to introduce up to 40 thousand peacekeepers in Donbass


    Let Merkel inject something into her ass.

    As a resident of the LPR, I myself will decide who I want to see with us.
  35. iouris
    iouris 19 August 2018 17: 31
    +2
    Those. suggested that Putin surrender (if true, of course).
  36. faterdom
    faterdom 19 August 2018 17: 57
    +1
    Such "proposals" give birth to spherical horses, and even in an ideal vacuum. Without an invitation from the DPR, any foreign soldier is an enemy. The land is big, and 40 thousand on humus for Donbass is not a record, and maybe they were placed at -2m from the ground level.
  37. lopvlad
    lopvlad 19 August 2018 18: 01
    +1
    Ukrainian media with reference to the Telegram channel of the chief editor of Echo of Moscow



    You can’t read further. To discuss this is how to help throw shit on a fan.
  38. mamont5
    mamont5 19 August 2018 18: 38
    +2
    That ukroSMI, that the "echo of Moscow" can not be trusted, incl. another concussion of the air.
  39. razved
    razved 19 August 2018 18: 39
    +1
    There have been no official statements on this matter yet, but the "echo" already knows "everything" ... am One threw in, others picked it up, and the "expert" community is ready to gnaw the opponent's throat in disputes ... fool
  40. Hiller
    Hiller 19 August 2018 19: 20
    0
    Another injection of the "ear of Moscow". Who feeds and feeds from these unscrupulous individuals?
    1. Naval
      Naval 19 August 2018 21: 23
      +1
      This is paradoxical, but GAZPROM feeds them lol
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont 19 August 2018 22: 17
      -1
      Our Middle Eastern partners are such entertainers
  41. dolfi1
    dolfi1 19 August 2018 19: 37
    0
    Well, here you have been offered "peacekeepers", now I see adequate responses on this topic. Therefore, in the future, when proposing "peacekeepers" to Israel, remember how you yourself "liked" this option. hi
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 19 August 2018 22: 23
      -1
      What a sneaky hutspa
  42. whitesnow
    whitesnow 19 August 2018 19: 48
    0
    Nonsense refers to the liar, which decent people do not even pay attention. And VO acts as a relay of Russophobes nonsense.
    Bingo!
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 19 August 2018 23: 41
      -1
      In general, there is a reason in your words - referring to the "echo of a liberal" and his bearded tormentor is not a very honorable thing, maybe he is lying as always, or maybe the old woman has started raving, caught the infection from Petyunchik Poproshenko-Potoshenko.
  43. GibSoN
    GibSoN 19 August 2018 20: 37
    +2
    Why is it just 40k? Maybe better than 8 million! Well, so with a margin?
  44. Doliva63
    Doliva63 19 August 2018 20: 44
    +4
    I didn’t understand: why did the peacekeepers go to the Donbass, when to Ukraine? What are the republics of Kiev shelled, or is it vice versa?
  45. Naval
    Naval 19 August 2018 21: 21
    +3
    Complete nonsense. At the UN, there is already a shortage of funds for peacekeeping operations, and support the administration, 40 thousand volunteers, the police. . . . This is not even from the realm of fantasy, but fantasy.
    Elves come, put things in order laughing
  46. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 August 2018 22: 11
    -1
    Army Group "Center"
  47. LeonidL
    LeonidL 19 August 2018 23: 38
    -1
    Merkel caught an acute infectious disease - "Ukrainian syndrome" - trying to pass off what she wants as something that can be done in reality!
  48. rruvim
    rruvim 20 August 2018 00: 48
    0
    Not! Ursula alone will go!
    She will be a "guiding star" for both Ukrov and the Russians.
    Still, the Minister of Defense of Germany.
  49. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 20 August 2018 10: 27
    0
    this lady needs to give perfume with the smell of rafflesia, just for her!
  50. rum
    rum 21 August 2018 07: 53
    0
    * minority * - why did I delete my posts? lol