How Stalinist USSR helped create Israel

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In the 1948 year, seventy years ago, the State of Israel was created. The very fact of the emergence of this new country in the Middle East is still the cause of the most serious contradictions and conflicts spreading far beyond the limits of Front Asia. The “Israeli trace” can be found in a variety of events over the past seventy years, not only in the Middle East, but also in other regions of the world. Arab nationalists cannot reconcile with the fact that the lands of Palestine were “alienated” in favor of the Jewish migrants, religious radicals are not going to give up claims to holy Jerusalem, and the Jews themselves, who for a decade since weapons in the hands of proving their right to the "Promised Land".

Until the end of World War I, Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. By this time, about 450 thousands of Arabs and 50 thousands of Jews lived here. The Jewish community of Palestine was based on the local “Sabra” Jews who lived in Palestinian lands from time immemorial, but from the end of the 19th century, Jews from all over the world began to migrate to Palestine, primarily from Central and Eastern Europe.



Jewish migration was due to two reasons. First, in Europe at the turn of the 19th — 20th centuries. there was another surge in anti-Semitic sentiments — this was true of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Russian Empire. Secondly, at the same time, the Zionist ideology began to spread among the active part of the Jewish population, providing for the main goal to return to Eretz Israel. Influenced by Zionist ideology and fleeing pogroms and discrimination, Jews from Eastern Europe began to arrive in Palestine. They became more and more, especially after the famous pogrom in Chisinau, which gave impetus to the second wave of mass migration to Palestine. But before the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, there were still no serious conflicts on a national basis in Palestine.

After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in the First World War, its extensive possessions in the Middle East were divided into mandated territories between Great Britain and France, and part of the possessions gained independence. In April, 1920, at the conference in Sanremo, the United Kingdom received a mandate to rule Palestine, and in July, 1922, this mandate was approved by the League of Nations. The territory of modern Israel and Jordan was included in the mandated territory of Great Britain. The territory of Syria and Lebanon were under the control of France. But in the same 1922 year, at the initiative of Winston Churchill, three-quarters of Palestinian land was transferred to the Transiordan emirate, which was elected by the representative of the Hashemite dynasty of Sheriffs of Mecca Abdullah, who had shortly been on the throne of the King of Iraq. The lands that were not part of Transjordan and began to be actively settled by Jews. In 1919-1924 there was a third large-scale wave of migration to Palestine - the Third Aliya, by the end of which the Jewish population of Palestine had grown to 90 thousand people.



The increase in the number of Jewish populations in the middle of the 1920s. led to the intensification of nationalist sentiment among the Arabs. Fearing the further settling of Palestine by enterprising Jews, the Arabs from the practice of boycott (refusal to hire, rent property, etc.) moved to open pogroms. The ideologue of the Arab nationalists at this time was the mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini, who later became close to Adolf Hitler on the basis of negative attitudes towards Jews and the British and became one of the conductors of the influence of Nazi Germany in the Arab world. In 1929, a wave of bloody Jewish pogroms swept across Palestine, killing many Jews, and not so much immigrants, as representatives of small ancestral communities of Palestinian cities who were not organized and were not ready to resist the Arabs, in the neighborhood with whom they lived for centuries. But the aggravation of the situation in Palestine productively affected Jewish self-organization — the Zionist movements became more organized and active, began to pay much attention to military training and the acquisition of weapons.



In the 1930s, the influx of Jews into Palestine continued, due to the triumph of Nazism in Germany and a further wave of anti-Semitism in Central and Eastern Europe. By the end of World War II, Jews constituted 33% of the population of Palestine - in contrast to 11% at the beginning of the century. Such a change in the composition of the population has not slowed down the growth of the political ambitions of the Jews, who have become even more active in demanding the creation of their own Jewish state in Palestine. But the whole of the Arab world resisted the realization of this idea. There was a very high probability of a conflict moving into the plane of armed confrontation, especially since by the middle of the 1940s. Jewish radical formations were already very numerous, and many of their members had real combat experience gained while serving in the Jewish Brigade of the British Army and in other armies of countries allied with the anti-Hitler coalition.

London could not find a political solution to the Arab-Jewish contradictions. Therefore, the question of the political future of Palestine was referred to the United Nations. Initially, the Jewish leaders of Palestine insisted on the creation of an independent Jewish state. The Arab world, in turn, demanded the creation of a unified state in which the Arabs and the Jews would live together. The latter option was unacceptable for the Jews, since Arabs still constituted two thirds of the Palestinian population and in fact the new state would be controlled by the Arabs, which would inevitably mean discrimination against the Jewish minority.

The UN considered two options. The first option envisaged the creation of two independent states, while Jerusalem and Bethlehem, due to the presence of holy places there at once several confessions, would be under international control. The second option was to create a federal state in which they would try to maximally observe the balance of interests of Jews and Arabs. 15 May 1947 was established by the UN Special Committee on Palestine. In order to exclude bias in making decisions, it included only neutral countries - Australia, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, India, Iran, the Netherlands, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay and Yugoslavia. Most of the countries on the committee — Guatemala, Canada, the Netherlands, Peru, Uruguay, Czechoslovakia, and Sweden — spoke in support of the first UN version on the creation of two independent states. Iran, India and Yugoslavia spoke in favor of the federation, while the representatives of Australia preferred to abstain.

As you know, in the second half of the twentieth century, during the Cold War, Israel became an important regional ally of the United States of America. However, then, in the 1947 year, Washington could not reach an unequivocal opinion regarding the future of Palestine. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union made a clear statement in support of the creation of an independent Jewish state. 14 May 1947, the USSR Permanent Representative to the UN Andrei Gromyko, speaking at a special session of the UN General Assembly, said:

The Jewish people suffered exceptional calamities and sufferings in the last war. On the territory dominated by the Hitlerites, the Jews were subjected to almost complete physical extermination - about six million people died. The fact that not a single Western European state was able to ensure the protection of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and protect it from violence by the fascist executioners explains the Jews' desire to create their own state. It would be unfair not to reckon with this and deny the right of the Jewish people to carry out such an aspiration.

Such a position of the Soviet Union would have been impossible if Joseph Stalin personally had not advocated the creation of a separate Jewish state. It was Stalin who, despite numerous accusations against him by the “liberal public” in anti-Semitism, the modern State of Israel owes its existence. It is worth recalling that by the time Israel was created, the Soviet Union was the only state in the world where a criminal conviction could be obtained for anti-Semitism.



Despite the “purges” of the end of 1930 and certain nuances of the post-war period, the Jews in the Soviet Union felt much better than in most other countries of the world. Of course, the reasons why Stalin advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine were geopolitical in nature. The Soviet leader hoped that a state created with Soviet support and headed by Soviet repatriates could turn into an important ally of the USSR in the Middle East. For the sake of realizing this goal, Stalin even went so far as to complicate relations with the Arab Communist Parties. After all, the latter, despite the commitment of the communist ideology, could not go against the interests of Arab nationalism, which also gained strength in the post-war world.

In the USSR even the composition of the government of the new state was formed. Solomon Lozovsky, a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) and former Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, was to be appointed Prime Minister of Jewish Palestine, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, General David Dragunsky, and Navy intelligence officer Grigory Gilman . That is, Stalin seriously hoped that the Soviet Union would be able to turn Israel into its faithful junior partner in the Middle East.

On the other hand, Soviet support for the plan to create an independent state for Jews in Palestine left no other option for the United States — Washington had to support this idea in order not to look like an anti-Semitic state against the background of the USSR. 29 November 1947, the UN held a vote on the resolution 181 on the establishment in Palestine of individual Jewish and Arab states. 33 countries - UN members, including the Soviet Union (separately from the Ukrainian SSR and BSSR), the USA, Australia, France, Poland and a number of Latin American countries voted for the creation of two independent states. 13 countries voted against - Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen. Finally, 10 countries, including Great Britain, China and Yugoslavia, chose to abstain, not wanting to spoil relations with either Arabs or Jews.



14 May 1948, the British Commissioner left Haifa. The UN mandate ended and on the same day the State of Israel was proclaimed in Tel Aviv. The first to recognize the independence of Israel was the Soviet Union. Representatives of the USSR unequivocally spoke at the UN Security Council in defense of the independence of the Jewish state, stressing that if the Arab countries do not recognize Israel, then he is not obliged to recognize them. Almost immediately after independence was declared in Israel, mass migration of Jews from the socialist countries of Eastern Europe — Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Poland, and Czechoslovakia — began. It was thanks to the call-up for military service of young repatriates that they were able to quickly form a large and efficient Israel Defense Forces. In Eastern Europe, a large number of weapons were purchased to equip the young Israeli army.

However, soon after independence, Israel came under American influence. First, the government formed in the USSR did not succeed in arriving in Palestine (it was dissolved), and in Israel a new government was formed from people not connected with Moscow. Secondly, the money of the richest American Jewish community, which actually financed the creation of a state in the poor Palestinian desert, which quickly surpassed all the countries of the Arab world in the standard of living of the population and the quality of infrastructure, played a role. But even after the pro-American turn of Israel, it turned out that Moscow was not so miscalculated.

How Stalinist USSR helped create Israel


The very fact of the creation of the State of Israel has very strongly turned the Arab world against the United States and Great Britain. London was criticized for not being able or unwilling to protect the interests of the Arabs. After Israel began to actively cooperate with the West, a turn towards the Soviet Union began in the Arab world. Quite quickly, Egypt and Syria became allies of the USSR in the Middle East, and by the 1960 years, Soviet influence extended to almost all Arab countries except Morocco and the monarchies of the Arabian Peninsula.

But despite the fact that during the Cold War years, Israel and the Soviet Union were on opposite sides of the barricades, now Russian-Israeli relations can be called special, very different from relations with the West and with the Arab world. Israel is not an enemy and not a junior partner, but a very special country where millions of people speak Russian and have relatives in Russia.
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  1. +1
    20 August 2018 06: 10
    Thanks for the article, Ilya. Being interested in the history of the Jewish people (I myself am Russian) I always wanted to know more on this topic.
    1. +1
      20 August 2018 12: 43
      I recalled that the Arabs living next to the Jews in Israel carry out various necessary, but not kosher, actions. For example, waiters in Shabbat, as well as other employees whose work should be daily, despite Shabbat. Also, there are Shabbat years and Anniversary years! But other situations! And how is it without the Gentiles ??? True, I have not yet figured out all the intricacies.
      It seems that one of the Israelis wrote on the site about the habit of living next to Arabs.
      1. 0
        22 August 2018 01: 00
        Quote: Reptiloid
        For example, waiters on Shabbat, and

        I apologize, but for some reason the local Israelis did not correct them, but when I was a tourist there, I noticed that there are not so many shops and restaurants working on Shabbat.
        1. +2
          22 August 2018 10: 27
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          Quote: Reptiloid
          For example, waiters on Shabbat, and

          I apologize, but for some reason the local Israelis did not correct them, but when I was a tourist there, I noticed that there are not so many shops and restaurants working on Shabbat.


          It is a day off. The Sabbath is, according to the Pentateuch, a reminder of the seventh day of creation and the proclamation of God as the creator of the world.
          1. 0
            22 August 2018 15: 01
            A. Privalov.
            I was not. Sorry if I do not accurately formulate the question. It is not a working day like ---- for all of Israel or for one denomination. Yes, YouTube has videos about it with language. But I did not watch everything. I remember one humor ---- in Russian like this:
            There are forces --- there is work.
            There is work --- there is money.
            Have money --- have a wife!
            There is a wife --- there are children.
            There are children --- no strength!
            No strength --- no work!
            No work --- no money.
            No money --- no wife !!!
            No wife --- no children!
            There are no children --- there are forces ...........
            Etc. I can write in Hebrew, but not now! Still, I am on Hebrew clave very slowly.
            Another question: can you learn anything about the Shabbat and the Jubilee years?
        2. 0
          23 August 2018 13: 35
          In city centers (except Tel Aviv) restaurants and cafes are usually kosher and closed on Shabbat.
          Restaurants and cafes work in commercial and industrial centers outside cities. But there, in a country where the percentage of religious Jews is high (and they control municipal councils), restaurants are also often closed on Shabbat for cities.
          1. 0
            23 August 2018 17: 16
            Quote: voyaka uh
            In city centers (except Tel Aviv) restaurants and cafes are usually kosher and closed on Shabbat.
            Restaurants and cafes work in commercial and industrial centers outside cities. But there, in a country where the percentage of religious Jews is high (and they control municipal councils), restaurants are also often closed on Shabbat for cities.
            Thanks for the information.
            And about Shabbat years --- how now?
  2. +5
    20 August 2018 06: 18
    The whole world history comes down to the fact that someone took something from someone ... And you don’t have to throw a tantrum from what happened in the 21st century ... Since in the previous time all countries to one degree or another sinned this .. .
    1. +1
      20 August 2018 08: 03
      You're right. Now we need to study, analyze and build a multipolar, equal, partnership. And not a bumpy one, based on the imaginary exclusivity of one.
      1. +3
        20 August 2018 09: 23
        Relations "on an equal footing" can only be built on condition of equality (well, or comparability of forces), because for the sake of "justice" no one will sacrifice their interests ... The USSR (both economically and militarily) was comparable to the United States, therefore it was 2-polar world ... Now there is a leader and "catching up", but at the same time everyone "catching up" for a long time, so we have a unipolar world with displeased "muttering" and "concern" of the "catching up", but this is a separate topic .. ...
        The author crumpled up a lot of well-known facts (and even more rumors) ... The Jewish community did not receive any "huge" money during the war for independence, money was collected from the "world on a string", besides, all large countries did not particularly prefer to interfere and weapons were purchased in Eastern Europe (although the arms market was overwhelmed with weapons, only a mediocre copy of an almost outdated aircraft in Czechoslovakia was bought, and a few mustangs, if memory serves), there were almost no armored vehicles either; .. There was also a hodgepodge with the rifle, but volunteers (by the way, from Western countries, including non-Jews) played a really decisive role ... It was their experience and organization that brought victory to future Israelis ... And rapprochement with The United States (unless, of course, we omit conspiracy theories) began 15-20 years after the indicated events (there was still active cooperation with the Europeans ahead, a break with them against the background of tanya problems in the Arab colonies, etc.)
        1. +1
          20 August 2018 14: 33
          Now there is a leader and those who are "catching up", but at the same time, everyone is "catching up" for a long time ...

          Maybe you don’t have to catch up with anyone? There are many countries that are not happy with the actions of this leader. Organize and go your own way. Yes, it will be difficult at first. But everyone has suggestions and needs, and, having previously agreed, you can start cooperation without looking at the leader. After all, relations between states are mainly built on conventions. To understand my thought, a small example: the Earth’s magnetic field is an undeniable fact, the American dollar is the global currency - a convention.
          1. +2
            20 August 2018 18: 17
            Quote: dog breeder
            Now there is a leader and those who are "catching up", but at the same time, everyone is "catching up" for a long time ...

            Maybe you don’t have to catch up with anyone? There are many countries that are not happy with the actions of this leader. Organize and go your own way. Yes, it will be difficult at first. But everyone has suggestions and needs, and, having previously agreed, you can start cooperation without looking at the leader. After all, relations between states are mainly built on conventions. To understand my thought, a small example: the Earth’s magnetic field is an undeniable fact, the American dollar is the global currency - a convention.

            In his own way, but with a life-giving dollar? Funny, sorry). And if you refuse, then - the Second Imperialist. You can, of course, just change the economic structure - then the Second Great Patriotic War.
          2. +2
            21 August 2018 06: 18
            Quote: dog breeder
            american dollar world currency - conventionality.

            Refusal of the dollar by our economy, that's a convention ... In the meantime, the American economy is the first in the world, the dollar is the world currency, and you can at least negotiate with the "dissenting", especially if these disgruntled people "wag their tail" for the very first "cookies" leader ...
  3. +4
    20 August 2018 06: 27
    Did the author reveal the whole topic? Do our Israeli friends have an alternative vision for this event? I'd love to read, for self-development.
  4. +4
    20 August 2018 06: 53
    Good morning everyone!
    The article is good, but the reasons for Stalin's support for the state of Israel were mainly in undermining the influence of Britain on BV. Jordan, for example, in 1946 signed an agreement with the Britons on mutual military assistance and the deployment of British bases on its territory, British planes openly fought with Jews on the side of Egypt in 1948 (5 were shot down by Israelis).
    The break with the Union began in the early 50s, on the initiative of the USSR, mainly because of the stupid diplomacy of the Israelis who asked Stalin for the right to repatriate Soviet Jews, many of whom were not opposed to emigrating and even wrote requests to send them to Palestine to fight for Israel in War of Independence.
    According to Primakov (I recently read his book on BV, I recommend), Israel had strong pro-Soviet sentiments, the Russian culture was popular, the system was socialist, but the Soviet people were strictly hara to leave their homeland, and in Israel any Jew is old, young, baby - was in demand ..
    Then there was the doctors ’case, after which Israel, in turn, turned its back on the USSR, in front of France, then England (1956, Operation Musketeer).
    But the Jews began to cooperate with the States only after the Six Day War of 1967.
    1. avt
      +9
      20 August 2018 08: 45
      Quote: Krasnodar
      The article is good, but the reasons for Stalin's support for the state of Israel were mainly in undermining the influence of Britain on BV.

      No. No. His game in the region was somehow more voluminous. He even wanted to match it, just like Lyosha, the Quietest "building a new Jerusalem and reformed the church, to reform the entire Orthodox Church, placing the Moscow Patriarch above the Constantinople Patriarch. But it did not work and he took advantage of the pretext - the explosion at the USSR embassy, ​​closed the topic. Again he on the example of the Inner Circle and Molotov in particular, he was convinced that the Jews will play their own Game and it will not be under his control at all. He acted wisely - he did not waste time and resources. But then Khrushch got out with "the struggle for the cause of the commune on Leninist principles." and drove the USSR into a fornicator of local squabbles on the side of ANYONE who shouts about the choice of the path ,, socialism ". Thank God, now, like that, Russia's policy in the region has taken on quite a .... ,,. Byzantine" character. Which is understandable to all the players there and, moreover, is quite acceptable to them. In contrast to the USA, which is a straight "Trotskyist drill", like Khrushch then.
    2. 0
      22 August 2018 01: 04
      Quote: Krasnodar
      But the Jews began to cooperate with the States only after the Six Day War of 1967

      Are these Jews or Israelis? I recall that Jews in New Holland appeared since the 17 century, and the outcome of the 1880x. from the Russian Empire - it was generally considered the main aliyah before the formation of Israel, no?
  5. +10
    20 August 2018 08: 15
    The theme of the struggle of the God-chosen people against the British administration by purely terrorist methods has been circumvented or deliberately not addressed. Hagan, Irgun, Lehi is the same as Hamas, OOP, DAISH!
    1. -3
      20 August 2018 09: 23
      Quote: andrewkor
      The theme of the struggle of the God-chosen people against the British administration by purely terrorist methods has been circumvented or deliberately not addressed. Hagan, Irgun, Lehi is the same as Hamas, OOP, DAISH!

      The Balfour declaration of 1917, when the Britons promised the Jews a national hearth throughout historical Palestine and modern Jordan, is still not mentioned. Then the Western European Jews still had the loot, which England really needed because of the WWII. But in 1939, when European Jews were discriminated against and robbed by the Natsiks, the British decided not to quarrel with the Arabs over the impoverished Jews (the Amer community was just beginning to make clear money) and limited their emigration to Israel. As a result, most of the European Jews died. The British in response received Jewish partisanism in Palestine.
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 12: 27
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The Balfour declaration of 1917, when the Britons promised the Jews a national hearth throughout historical Palestine and modern Jordan, is still not mentioned.

        Only in your wet fantasies. For the first time, the possibility of creating a Jewish "state" (in the form of a British protectorate) and not a "community" was mentioned only in 1937 following the results of the work of the Peel Commission.
        1. -1
          20 August 2018 12: 33
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The Balfour declaration of 1917, when the Britons promised the Jews a national hearth throughout historical Palestine and modern Jordan, is still not mentioned.

          Only in your wet fantasies. For the first time, the possibility of creating a Jewish "state" (in the form of a British protectorate) and not a "community" was mentioned only in 1937 following the results of the work of the Peel Commission.

          Read the Balfour declaration, firstly, why should I fantasize about anything, secondly?
          Today, Israel is a developed state (18th in the HDI), and this year the country's GDP per capita exceeded British and French. That is, the state took place and succeeded. wink
          1. 0
            20 August 2018 14: 46
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Today, Israel is a developed state (18th in the HDI), and this year the country's GDP per capita exceeded British and French. That is, the state took place and succeeded.

            As always at the expense of other nations ... And on someone else's hump
            1. +3
              20 August 2018 16: 02
              Quote: Alber
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Today, Israel is a developed state (18th in the HDI), and this year the country's GDP per capita exceeded British and French. That is, the state took place and succeeded.

              As always at the expense of other nations ... And on someone else's hump

              This is due to which peoples Israel is ahead of Belgium, Austria, France, Japan in terms of the HDI? )))
              Will he spot the Palestinian Arabs who at their best lived at the level of the countries of Central Africa? laughing
          2. +1
            20 August 2018 16: 46
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Read the Balfour declaration, first,

            Foreign Office November 2nd, 1917

            "Dear Lord Rothschild,

            I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet

            His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

            I should be grateful if you would bring this statement to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

            Yours,

            Arthur James Balfour "
            I read it. AND? You meant the "national hearth" as a "national state of the Jews", but Balfour himself meant the "national hearth" as "not hindering the resettlement of Jews to mandated territories."
            At the same time, it should be remembered that the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the San Remo Conference, the Sevres and Lausanne Peace Treaties consolidated the rejection of the promises of the creation of a national Arab state on the territory of Greater Syria, given to the Arabs through Thomas Edward Lawrence in exchange for the support of British troops in the fight against The Ottoman Empire, which was a direct act of betrayal against the Arabs by Great Britain and France. And thus "non-obstruction of the resettlement of Jews to the territories of the mandate" became just a tool for channeling Arab nationalism not to fight the British administration, but to fight Jewish settlers.
            Well, as a "poisoned halberd" - the "Balfour Declaration of 1917" is not some kind of international document, but almost a private letter from the Foreign Minister addressed to the leader of the Zionist movement in Great Britain, Lord Rothschild.
            1. -2
              20 August 2018 17: 06
              His Majesty's Government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object,
              Dear, where did you get that the national house for the Jewish people, literally translating the text of the Declaration, means "unhindered resettlement to mandated territories"?
              Your theory, of course, is interesting, you are certainly a competent person, but ... Rothschild was never the leader of the Zionist movement. The biggest sponsor is yes. Therefore, the letter was intended for him, most likely, as a fee or advance for a loan or surety for a loan. And the letter was compiled quite officially, with certain conditions, etc. That is, it was a declaration in its purest form.
              1. +2
                20 August 2018 20: 46
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Dear, where did you get that the national house for the Jewish people, literally translating the text of the Declaration, means "unhindered resettlement to mandated territories"?

                Of the actions and obligations that Britain carried out and assumed upon the results of the Conference in San Remo, the Sèvres and Lausanne peace treaties, as well as from the policies actually pursued both by the administration of the mandated territory of Palestine and directly by the Government of the United Kingdom.
                1. -2
                  21 August 2018 10: 51
                  I repeat - the policy pursued by the Britons after the same Rothschilds and other European Jewish financiers lost their loot as a result of the Nazi takeover of Western Europe was different from that at the time of writing the Balfour Declaration. Then the British needed Jewish money or guarantees for loans.
        2. -1
          20 August 2018 16: 17
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          no "community" was mentioned only in 1937 following the work of the Peel Commission.

          Storyteller. The territory from Arizona in America to the territory in Africa, including Madagascar and all long before the age of 37, was offered. Truth and tricks from the age of 33 were carried out by the founding fathers of Zionism with the Nazis even those .. this is definitely true ..
          1. -4
            20 August 2018 16: 28
            For instance? Which of the Zionist leadership with which the Nazis led tricks?
            1. +2
              20 August 2018 17: 23
              At the expense of the trick of the Zionists and Nazis .. you really do not know or pretend that you do not know?
              Or, as is usual today, it is advisable to talk and hide this issue, so that people don’t have the right picture — why did the Soviet Jews, and not the Western ones, be destroyed?

              “The Zionists perceived the Nazi assertion in Germany not as a national catastrophe,” wrote the German journalist Heinz Höhne, “but as a unique historical opportunity for the implementation of Zionist intentions.” He argued that “as soon as the Zionists and National Socialists built race and nation on the scale of all things, then a common bridge would inevitably arise between them. ”[1] The American Jewish observer Morris Cohen, fully supporting this opinion, emphasized that“ the Zionists share the ideology of anti-Semites in its basis, drawing only different conclusions. the Jew, representing the purest and highest race. "[2]"
              Watch the movie carefully ...
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1bC_TGsf2s
              Is that enough?
              1. Der Spiegel, 19. XII. 1966.
              2. Sneh M. Conclusion on the National Question. Tel-Aviv, 1954 (Chapter: “Zionism - the instrument of Jewish imperial bourgeoisie and imperialism”).
              3. Ralph Schoenman. The Hidden History of Zionism, Veritas Press, Santa Barbara (Calif.) 1988.http: //www.marxists.de/middleast/schoenman/ch06.htm
              4. Lionel Dadiani. "Criticism of the ideology and politics of social Zionism", 1986
              5. “Maariv” (Israel), April 24, 1966.
              6. Jeruham Cohen. "Always in service." Jerusalem 1987
              7. Noam Chomsky. International Terrorism: Image and Reality // In Alexander George (ed.), Western State Terrorism, Routledge, December, 1991. http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199112-02.htm)
              8. Menachim Begin (1913-1992) http://betar.org.ua/engine/print.php?newsid=14
              9. Douglas Reed. The dispute about Zion. 1978. ("The Controversy of Zion")
              10. Report by the Jewish news agency JTA “Nazi Press Admits” Liquidation ”of Warsaw Ghetto; Goebbels Speaks of ”Jewish State“ http://www.jta.org/1943/03/17/archive/nazi-press-admits-liquidation-of-warsaw-ghetto-goebbels-speaks-of-jewish-state
              11. Lenny Brenner. Zionism in the age of dictators. 1984 http://lib.rus.ec/b/414189
              12. Yuri Ivanov. CAUTION: ZIONISM! M., Political Literature Publishing House, 1970 http://gomora.narod.ru/sionism.htm
              1. -2
                20 August 2018 17: 43
                1) 1,5 million Jews died in the USSR, and 2,8 million in Poland alone
                Link: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Disaster
                This is about why the Soviet ones were destroyed, not the Western ones. By the way, there is a table - how many Jews lived in each of the countries that fell into German occupation and how many died.
                2) The conclusions of the American and German journalist are evidence of the tricks of the Zionist leadership with the Nazis?
                3) Did you happen to confuse Jews with Palestinian, Iraqi or Syrian Arabs? laughing
                These with the Nazis really had a passion for love.
                1. +1
                  20 August 2018 18: 19
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  1,5 million Jews died in the USSR, and 2,8 million in Poland alone

                  from Poland to the USSR. how many Jews escaped?
                  “About why the exterminists estimate the number of Jews to be killed at 6 million is explained by Benz in the preface to his collection The Scale of the Genocide [277]:

                  "In 1951, the demographer Jacob Leshchinsky published calculations that total the 6 million victims of the genocide: in 1939, 9,5 million Jews lived in Europe, and in 1950 - 2,75 million."

                  The argument can be continued: in 1944, 12 million Germans lived east of the Oder and Neisse, and today only a million live there. It turns out that 11 million Germans were destroyed! "
                  http://www.nnre.ru/istorija/velikaja_lozh_xx_veka_s_dopolnitelnymi_illyustracijami/p18.php
                  Read, you obviously won’t like the numbers, but these are the facts.
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  The conclusions of the American and German journalist are evidence of the tricks of the Zionist leadership with the Nazis?

                  I can offer glasses .. how about sight? I recommend reading the links and not trying to engage in boltology.
                  In Hitlerite Germany, only two flags were allowed: Nazi and white-blue Zionist
                  The author - Sophia Naiman http://genocid.net/history- of cooperation- Zionists- Nazis- or- how to- force-European- Jews- to relocate to Palestine/
                  David Ben-Gurion:

                  [!] “What Zionist propaganda could not achieve for many years, the incident did in one night” (meaning “Crystal Night”).

                  During the negotiations regarding the salvation of the Jews of Europe from the annihilation by Nazi fascists, Haim Weizmann declared:

                  [!] "The most valuable part of the Jewish people is already in Palestine, and those Jews who live outside Palestine - they are of no value."

                  Shrinbaum, Weitzmann's companion, emphasized this statement with the following remark:

                  [!] "One cow in Palestine is worth all the Jews of Europe."
                  Fact.
                  “If we (the Zionists) saw our main task in saving the maximum number of Jews,” said one of the prominent Zionists, Eliezar Livne, “then we would have to cooperate with the partisans. Partisan bases were in Poland, Lithuania, in the Nazi-occupied areas of Russia, in Yugoslavia, and later in Slovakia. If our main goal was to prevent the liquidation of (Jews), and if we came into contact with partisan bases, we would save many. ”
                  In the work of Mikhail Magid with the brilliant title “Zionism and Nazism. Haters Roman "find a quote:

                  [!] “In 1942, in the midst of the extermination of European Jewry, when hundreds of thousands of Jews were expelled, tortured, burned in the ovens of crematoriums, the leadership of the organization Fighters for Freedom of Israel (LEKHI) decided to send their representatives to Turkey. Their task was to convey a message to Rommel, whose troops fought against Montgomery, that LEKHI was ready to help Nazi Germany in its war against the Allies, provided that after the occupation of the Middle East, a Jewish racial state would arise there. And most of the Jewish population of the world will live in it. The German diplomat’s report, which he sent to Berlin, clearly stated that the Jewish representatives stated that they were close to the ideas of national socialism and close to the ideas of Hitler. This fact has never been denied by any member of Lehi, it is confirmed in the official textbooks of the state of Israel. This did not prevent the members of LEHI from taking an honorable place in the hierarchy of the Israeli-Zionist state (the leader of LEHI, Yitzhak Shamir, subsequently became the Prime Minister of Israel - approx. Magid). ”
                  http://genocid.net/история-сотрудничества-сионистов-и-нацистов-или-как-заставить-европейских-евреев-переехать-в-палестину/
                  Is it enough?
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  You accidentally did not confuse Jews with Palestinian, Iraqi or Syrian Arabs

                  You cannot be confused with anyone. Eichmann is the most complete proof of this, as well as Skorzeny.

                  In Israeli Haaretz, amazing material was published about Hitler’s close associate, Obersturmbannführ of the SS troops, Otto Skorzeny, who, after the war, joined the Mossad, where he became the executor of an important mission. This is one of the most interesting stories still stored in the archives of Israeli intelligence, the newspaper notes.
                  The Forward, Dan Raviv and Yossi Melman
                  https://pikabu.ru/story/udivitelnaya_istoriya_kak_superdiversant_otto_skortseni_stal_ubivat_dlya_izrailya_i_eshchyo_koechto_4099399
                  1. -4
                    20 August 2018 18: 58
                    laughing
                    1) You want to say that Western Jews in conspiracy with Hitler destroyed Soviet Jews for the sake of ... what ?, explain, pliz.
                    2) Chaim Weizmann was indeed a representative of the Zionist establishment. The question is - after all the phrases you have quoted, maybe said by Weizmann, where is his trickery with the Nazis?
                    3) Stern's contacts with the Nazis were in the 39th, not through Turkey and, of course, Rommel was not interested in him))
                    4) With Eichmann there were contacts of the Zionists on the redemption of Hungarian Jews. Shashni? Otto Skorzeny was attracted by Mossad to reach Nazi scientists who fled from Europe and built tactical missiles in Egypt. Also tricks? )))
                2. +2
                  22 August 2018 01: 08
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  2) The conclusions of the American and German journalist are evidence of the tricks of the Zionist leadership with the Nazis?

                  The most horrifying thing was that a certain partagenoss Eichmann was quite friends with the leaders of Zionism ... The unity of purpose, so to speak, was a plan to remove Jews from Europe ...
          2. 0
            20 August 2018 20: 42
            Quote: The Swordsman
            Storyteller.

            I AM? Or is Lord Peel, the head of the royal commission in Palestine, investigating the causes of the Arab revolts in the mandated territories?
            Quote: The Swordsman
            Territories were proposed from Arizona in America to territories in Africa, including Madagascar and all long before the age of 37.

            We talked about the territories in Palestine, if you suddenly did not notice. And the Jewish national state in Palestine, albeit in the form of a British protectorate (the idea of ​​creating an independent Jewish state was noted by the British government as absolutely unacceptable) was first mentioned in the report of the commission of Lord Peel in 1937.
            Prior to this, Britain did not even want to know about any creation of a national state of Jews in Palestine.
            1. -1
              20 August 2018 21: 15
              Quote: Rakti-Kali
              Prior to this, Britain did not even want to know about any creation of a national state of Jews in Palestine.

              Britain .. You never know what Britain wanted.
              That is why it is written that it was offered to the Jews, from Arizona to Madagascar, so no piece of the desert was chosen and now a cry to the whole world .. At the expense of the "storyteller" .. sorry, got a little excited, read something here, yes, in this matter you are right .I didn't quite understand you.
              1. +1
                21 August 2018 00: 47
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Britain .. You never know what Britain wanted.
                Therefore, it is written what was offered to the Jews, from Arizona to Madagascar, so no piece of the desert was chosen and now there is a cry for the whole world.

                That's why he and Zionism would wish to build a national Jewish state precisely in Zion, in the promised land.
      2. +2
        21 August 2018 00: 27
        a national hearth and an independent state are not the same thing, agree
    2. avt
      +1
      20 August 2018 16: 34
      Quote: andrewkor
      God's chosen people

      wassat FAQ!? wassat
      "Israel - (ישראל) - the fighter
      Well, the interpretation is already on everyone’s conscience. wassat bully
  6. +3
    20 August 2018 08: 38
    Something the article was submitted in the spirit of positive. Not everything was so simple. The war of the Jewish settlers with the British armed with Manlykher, German helmets and Messerschmites of the Czech assembly was not completely reflected. In general, the colonial policies of Britain and France during the liberation of the Middle East were not reflected.
    1. -6
      20 August 2018 09: 29
      Quote: Altona
      Something the article was submitted in the spirit of positive. Not everything was so simple. The war of the Jewish settlers with the British armed with Manlykher, German helmets and Messerschmites of the Czech assembly was not completely reflected. In general, the colonial policies of Britain and France during the liberation of the Middle East were not reflected.

      As for weapons:
      The Czechs were Messerschmites (figs, by the way), Mauser rifles and MG machine guns. They received them (bought at exorbitant prices) during the War of Independence, when the British were no longer there (with the exception of those who fought on the side of the Arab Legion of Transjordan). Helmets were English, machine guns too (Stan).
      The politics of France and England really did there the hell knows what. It is disintegrating to this day.
    2. +4
      20 August 2018 09: 43
      "Not everything was so simple ..."
      You read Polonsky on the VO website. Read Primakov or Johnson - there will be a completely different level.
  7. 0
    20 August 2018 09: 26
    Israel is not an enemy and not a junior partner, but a very special country where millions of people speak Russian and have relatives in Russia.

    They would have to grow their forelocks together with the sidelocks and they can sing: "Israel and Ukraine have not died yet ...." Oh, a good man was Comrade Stalin.
  8. BAI
    -5
    20 August 2018 10: 02
    religious radicals are not going to abandon claims to holy Jerusalem,

    The question of Jerusalem has long been resolved in favor of Israel and resolved finally. Like it or not. And with the Golan the same picture.
    1. avt
      +4
      20 August 2018 10: 36
      Quote: BAI
      The question of Jerusalem has long been resolved in favor of Israel and resolved finally. Like it or not. And with the Golan the same picture.

      wassat bully
      When everyone dies. Only then will the big game end. - Rudyard Kipling.
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        1. 0
          20 August 2018 11: 53
          What would the Golan Heights fonill, it is necessary for them, what to dump, and who will dump? Iran?
          1. -4
            20 August 2018 11: 54
            Quote: RUSS
            What would the Golan Heights fonill, it is necessary for them, what to dump, and who will dump? Iran?

            Well no. In the very case, when the Tryndets come to the Jews, they will drop it.
      2. +3
        20 August 2018 18: 30
        Quote: avt
        Quote: BAI
        The question of Jerusalem has long been resolved in favor of Israel and resolved finally. Like it or not. And with the Golan the same picture.

        wassat bully
        When everyone dies. Only then will the big game end. - Rudyard Kipling.

        Beautifully answered good drinks
    2. +3
      20 August 2018 11: 30
      Quote: BAI
      The question of Jerusalem has long been resolved in favor of Israel and finally resolved

      Finally? Only if in the coming decades the End of the World is coming (which is not excluded). And if not ... if you want to make God laugh, tell Him about your plans!
      1. -3
        20 August 2018 12: 26
        How do you see it? Does the large Arab coalition, with the support of Iran, stop cutting each other and attack Israel together? If he doesn’t snap it off again (which I doubt Pts), then after the first demonstration the loaf of aggressor countries across the desert terrain is vigorous, they will most likely retreat. If not, they tryndets. Israel, perhaps, too. But under alien (non-Jewish) authority, Jerusalem will certainly never be. Unless the Israelis suddenly decide to abandon their nuclear weapons for no apparent reason.
        1. BAI
          -1
          20 August 2018 16: 49
          Some Israeli prime minister said: "Jerusalem can exist without Israel, Israel cannot exist without Jerusalem." They will never give it up. I dare to think as we are - Crimea.
        2. 0
          20 August 2018 18: 35
          Quote: Krasnodar
          How do you see it? Does the large Arab coalition, with the support of Iran, stop cutting each other and attack Israel together?

          You view the situation in terms of modern politics and modern weapons technology. And what will happen in 200-300 years is almost impossible to predict! You do not allow the situation: the oil on Earth is coming to an end and so expensive that the Arabs can dictate their will to the States (and the States to Israel)? Israel has nuclear weapons, and if there is no fuel, will it help much?
          1. 0
            21 August 2018 06: 36
            Quote: Weyland
            You consider the situation from the point of view of modern politics and modern weapons technologies. And what will happen in 200-300 years is almost impossible to predict! You do not allow the situation: the oil on Earth is coming to an end and so expensive that the Arabs can dictate their will to the States (and the States to Israel)? Israel has nuclear weapons, and if there is no fuel, will it help much?

            no)) the United States today even surpassed CA in oil production (and almost reached the level of its consumption) ... At the same time, it is estimated that the US shale oil reserves are ten times higher than the reserves in conventional oil fields (and production technologies CA does not have shale oil) ....
            1. +1
              21 August 2018 09: 46
              Quote: parma
              Moreover, it is estimated that the reserves of shale oil in the United States are ten times higher than the reserves in the CA of conventional fields (and the CA does not have shale oil production technology).

              keywords - "estimated". But in reality, as the SA would say: "Allah, He knows best!"
              1. -2
                21 August 2018 11: 25
                Well, first, pull up your knowledge of shale deposits, and then you will understand what it is ...
                If I remember correctly, for example, the reserves of a recently discovered shale field in Argentina are almost 8 times larger than the traditional reserves of all of South America ... And this despite the fact that Venezuela has the world's largest reserves of "conventional" oil, and Argentina has scanty reserves. ..
          2. -3
            25 August 2018 22: 16
            "And what will happen in 200-300 years is almost impossible to predict!" /////
            -----
            Even the future is difficult to predict in 50 years.
            One thing is for sure: the future is in high-tech countries. And Israel is one of them. Which provides the basis for optimistic forecasts.
        3. +2
          22 August 2018 01: 12
          Quote: Krasnodar
          But under alien (non-Jewish) authority, Jerusalem will certainly never be.

          King Hosea said it somehow ... (and meanwhile, in faraway Nineveh they already drew up a map of the coming campaign) Truly, if you want to ridicule God, tell Him about your plans! After all, you yourself know this very well!
  9. +4
    20 August 2018 10: 53
    The Generalissimo by the creation of Israel slipped an ingenious vile to the Arabs and their Anglo-French friends, it still works.
  10. +3
    20 August 2018 14: 42
    If we talk about Stalin's role in the creation of the state of Israel and, in general, the meaning of everything that is happening, maybe we should also remember Lenin and the idea of ​​creating a full-fledged Jewish Republic in Crimea ?! It must be said that in 1922 a Jewish financial organization, Joint, appeared in Crimea, actively pushing for the creation of Jewish autonomy! The number of Jewish settlements instantly reached 150 with the help of the open branch of the Agro-Joint bank in Simferopol. Well, in 1923, Abram Bragin, the head of the Jewish section of the RCP (b), submitted a project to the Politburo about the creation of a full-fledged Jewish Soviet socialist republic, not an autonomous one! And immediately 132 thousand hectares of Crimean land were allocated for the settlers ... And of course, after hearing that a Bolshevik branch of the Promised Land was opened in Crimea, Jews from all over the country and the surrounding area began to gather on the peninsula ... Well, then with the "Joint" In the absence of diplomatic relations with the United States, the Bolsheviks represented America in the treaty "On Crimean California" (oh, how!). Joint allocated the USSR 1.5 million dollars a year! How much land the Central Executive Committee left as a pledge for this, take the trouble to read it yourself, as well as what happened later! All this I mean that the connections of the Bolsheviks who were certainly and Stalin with the Jewish "public" are much deeper than you can imagine after reading the article ... The creation of the state of Israel by Stalin was predetermined!
    Where have you not seen the Swordsman? Something is not heard cries - "nonsense, lies, blatant lie !!!"
    1. +2
      20 August 2018 15: 25
      On the subject of your commentary, Oper, I have nothing to say. Since I read the Bible story of the Jews, the subsequent and as before the Great October Socialist Revolution in the Republic of Ingushetia.
      BUT Stalin's plans were to strengthen, strengthen the USSR, expand the sphere of influence. For example, one of Stalin's "skyscrapers" ---- in Warsaw. Show Europe. Also the beginning of the construction of the Transpolar Highway in the north of the USSR.
      Many projects of the leader, subsequent leadership ==== 0000.
      Like the situation with China. Having supported China and saved it from collapse, when Xinjiang formally separated (which itself began to fall apart), Stalin found a loyal ally, and he had ambitious plans --- to influence the politics of all countries of the Far Eastern region, and specifically --- to join USSR Manchuria, Korea and share with the Chinese Japan (after the final defeat of Japan in 2MV)!
      Anatoly Demin. AVIATION OF THE GREAT NEIGHBOR. Book 1. Fund for Aviation Assistance "Russian Knights". MOSCOW. 2008.
      In addition to the destroyers of the Stalinist plans in the USSR itself, also those who were supported --- were dismissive.
      1. -5
        20 August 2018 15: 43
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Show Europe.

        especially against the background of post-war famine with mass mortality. This was the face of internationalism, front-line soldiers dying of starvation and members of their families heard wagons taking bread to the Nazis and their accomplices in Europe.
        1. +1
          20 August 2018 15: 57
          Quote: Koshnitsa
          This was the face of internationalism, front-line soldiers dying of starvation and members of their families heard wagons taking bread to the Nazis and their accomplices in Europe.

          There is nothing to lie. Stalin was forming a social camp, and you should know --- plans for the final defeat of the USSR began to appear long before the former allies.
          1. -1
            20 August 2018 16: 00
            God forbid, why lie? Or do you deny the post-war famine in the USSR in 1946-47?
            Well, these are the consequences of the formation of the camp of socialism, the face of proletarian internationalism in the USSR, regarding the Slavs, by the way. In the Baltic, Transcaucasia and Central Asia, there was no famine after the war.
            1. 0
              20 August 2018 16: 19
              Quote: Koshnitsa
              God forbid, why lie?

              Then why are you constantly lying?
              1. -2
                20 August 2018 16: 28
                Famine in the USSR claimed the lives of 1,5-2 million people.
                They were starved for the sake of building a camp of socialism, according to the wise instructions of I.V. Stalin.
                What a great goal, to feed the Nazis, Hortists, Romanians, but these themselves will be killed. In the name of internationalism.
                1. +1
                  20 August 2018 17: 38
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  What a great goal, to feed the Nazis, Hortists, Romanians, but these themselves will be killed.

                  Your goal? Remind you according to whose plan the Nazis were fed and enticed. Hortists and other disadvantages?
                  What is that?
                  https://www.kramola.info/vesti/vlast/operaciya-nemyslimoe-plan-napadeniya-soyuznikov-na-sssr-v-1945-godu
                  This is what it was- "In the zone of British occupation until the end of May 1945, the last government of the Third Reich, headed by Grand Admiral Dönitz, was freely located, and until the beginning of June, entire divisions of the Wehrmacht remained unarmed - the British command left them weapons, not excluding their use in possible war against the USSR. "http://www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/kak_razdelili_germaniju_2009-05-22.htm
                  German pilot officers expressed sincere bewilderment over “where did the new German cars come from after the war, since there are more of them at the airfields in the English occupation zone than in the last months of the war. 2/3 of German pilots are again in service under English control. German pilots make training flights. In the Hanover area there was an airfield where German prisoners were trained to fly on new types of aircraft ”...

                  Combined into working companies, teams, groups, German formations, in fact, remained combat units. German officers at the head of such units were armed with personal weapons. Former German servicemen systematically underwent combat training - shot from carbines, threw grenades, tactics classes were held with them. “German and English officers held conversations, telling German soldiers that in the near future England would declare war on Russia and that German prisoners of war would play a big role in it, because it would be a war for the restoration of Germany ...” But the topic of these conversations: “The future war with Russia "," On the incorrect rejection of Silesia. The Germans should return there ”,“ On the lack of products in the English occupation zone in connection with the Mecklenburg province being part of the Russian occupation zone ”and others. http://www.chekist.ru/article/3121
                  Who supported this upfrya? But they were told - "" Our government must be terrible! "
                  S. Bandera. Did this prevent his killers from keeping and feeding Westerners?
                  https://history.wikireading.ru/254997
                  Quote: Koshnitsa
                  Famine in the USSR claimed the lives of 1,5-2 million people.

                  Mines in the fields were set by Germans, Hungarians, Italians, Romanians, they also destroyed a third of the country into dust, and the Soviet government blame it on you? Who are you adherents of Hitler who regrets the fate of the remnants and pours slop on those who suffered from your employers? ?
                  In general, this material perfectly demonstrates your role.
                  "1. Accusations against the Soviet state go in bulk - to make it more difficult to refute. It is unprofitable for an anti-Soviet author to focus on a separate episode, because weak arguments and unreliability of sources emerge. But this way, in bulk, it looks solid and convincing.

                  2. Information is announced without indicating the sources of information. Because the quality of those sources is very doubtful.

                  3. Dramatization. An attempt to shock the reader, cause him an emotional reaction.

                  To shock the reader with numbers - millions and millions of victims are certainly needed.

                  Shock the reader with the inhumanity of the communists. "
                  At the expense of food supplies - "The Big Five Prevents World Hunger" (February 10, 1946 in London). Https://cont.ws/@burevestn1k/110791
            2. +3
              20 August 2018 16: 25
              Post-war hunger was literally in ALL COUNTRIES! Or do you deny it? Yes, the USSR was weakened, and the formation of the social camp intensified it. Compare with the current situation and draw conclusions.
              Until the evening!
              1. -4
                20 August 2018 16: 31
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Post-war hunger was literally in ALL COUNTRIES!

                Not true. Even in the USSR it was not ubiquitous. The Georgians ate kebab-mashlyk and raised wine for the health of the great Stalin! And why should Georgians go hungry when there are Russians? bully
              2. 0
                22 August 2018 01: 14
                Quote: Reptiloid
                Post-war hunger was literally in ALL COUNTRIES! Or do you deny it?

                Dima, just clean your brain, it’s very littered with you, sorry. There was no post-war famine in all countries. And even in the USSR he was not everywhere ... (and from this hunger my father, who was then a baby, almost died).
      2. -1
        20 August 2018 16: 26
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Since I read the Bible story of the Jews, the subsequent and as before the Great October Socialist Revolution in the Republic of Ingushetia.

        http://www.e-reading.club/book.php?book=127772
        Read, you will learn a lot of interesting things.
    2. +4
      20 August 2018 21: 57
      Quote: Oper
      How much land the Central Executive Committee left as a pledge for this, take the trouble to read it yourself, as well as what happened later! All this I mean that the connections of the Bolsheviks who were certainly and Stalin with the Jewish "public" are much deeper than you can imagine after reading the article ... The creation of the state of Israel by Stalin was predetermined!

      Why are you silent that Stalin destroyed Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev, I don’t remember who else was a supporter of the transfer of Crimea to Jews? I already read this bike for a long time. And only in the 41, at the negotiations on the supply of equipment, Stalin was forced to agree to consider this issue. He considered. The Jewish state appeared where it is. Just do not tell me about the deportation of the Tatars, tying them to this issue.
  11. +1
    20 August 2018 15: 16
    Quote: polpot
    The Generalissimo by the creation of Israel slipped an ingenious vile to the Arabs and their Anglo-French friends, it still works.

    Of course it works ..
    Never a single leader of Russia or the USSR has done so much for the Jews as Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. In every way. Unprecedented
    Berl lazar
    Chief Rabbi of the Russian Federation.
    1. -3
      20 August 2018 15: 54
      Creating the state of Israel, Stalin, on the one hand, tried to find support and allies in the region, mindful of the role of the Jews in the events of 1917 and subsequent ... On the other hand, he thought that this would solve the Crimean issue forever. Those. Stalin believed that he had paid for the debts of the Bolsheviks to American Jewish capital. However, the bills on which the Bolsheviks received money for the creation of the Jewish Soviet Socialist Republic in Crimea remained ... In Crimea, however, as many interests always crossed. In the 20s and 30s, Crimean Tatars, Germans, and part of the rest of the population actively opposed the seizure of land for Jewish immigrants, deployed trains ... It came to bloodshed. This is precisely what prevented the idea of ​​Jewish statehood in Crimea from coming to fruition. The Tatars also got then, and the seizure of land, including by the Germans in favor of the Jews, contributed to the side on which many of them preferred to speak in the period 1941-1945. This, including this, is the root cause of the conflict! However, the US did not forget about debt. This question was raised both at the Yalta Conference and at the previous ones. Probably the reason for the transfer of the Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR by Khrushchev is also due to an attempt to resolve the issue since bills on which the Bolsheviks received money of Jewish bankers of the United States signed on behalf of the RSFSR i.e. transfer of territory to another entity made these obligations null and void! I also want to say that Jewish organizations worked under the auspices of charity in the Crimea on a large scale until 2014. Then the question that began with the de-Russification after 1917 by the Leninists and donation - the sale of Russian lands was finally resolved! Crimea has returned home! But the role of Stalin in creating the state of Israel is really unprecedented, as well as the relationship of the Bolsheviks with the Jewish capital of the West! It is interesting to listen, but how do the Jews themselves feel about Stalin? How to father the founder of his state?
      1. 0
        20 August 2018 16: 22
        Quote: Oper
        In the 20s and 30s, Crimean Tatars, Germans, and part of the rest of the population actively opposed the seizure of land for Jewish immigrants, deployed trains ... It came to bloodshed. This is precisely what prevented the idea of ​​Jewish statehood in Crimea from coming to fruition.

        Sources of your chatter. Will you bring it? Or, as always. Bloop and to the masses. And there grass does not grow?
        Quote: Oper
        Then the question that began with the de-Russification after 1917 by the Leninists and donation - the sale of Russian lands was finally resolved!

        Another irresponsible chatter. Where did the information come from? Can you give the source of this foul-smelling "information"? Do not hesitate.
        Quote: Oper
        But the role of Stalin in creating the state of Israel is really unprecedented, as well as the relationship of the Bolsheviks with the Jewish capital of the West!

        And then they didn’t manage ... again, a mistake ... well, well, not at that time. But now, you like people in politics do not rule ...
  12. -1
    20 August 2018 16: 14
    Quote: Oper
    in favor of the Jews contributed to the side on which many of them chose to speak in the period 1941 - 1945.

    Moreover, the reasons for the eviction of those peoples who fought against the Germans, Bulgarians, Greeks and others become clear. And the Russians were already sitting on their suitcases in the Crimea to clear it for new settlers.
    1. +5
      20 August 2018 22: 09
      Quote: Koshnitsa
      the reasons for the eviction of those peoples who fought against the Germans, Bulgarians, Greeks and others become clear

      One more. fool If you are talking about the Tatars, then do not be too lazy to read how they fought against the Germans in Crimea. Underground workers were laid down once or twice, and they went to the police with pleasure. And who is there with the Greeks and the Bulgarians who fought, and where, can you tell me?
  13. +2
    20 August 2018 16: 46
    Over the past three years in Russia, I heard a lot about the plans for the “Jewish colonization of the Crimea” either by the tsar (from Alexander III to Nikki2), then by the Bolsheviks, then by Putin. And about the present, the main are two versions:
    1) Jews will be settled in Crimea as part of the creation of the “Great Khazaria”, after having previously achieved the destruction of the national identity of Georgians and Armenians through the Caucasus in order to unite the Jews with their natural allies Turks. Idiocy, I know what I bought for, for what I sell laughing
    2) The Jews agreed with the GDP on the creation of a reserve (national) airfield in the Crimea in case ... the victory of the Islamic State over Israel. Also idiocy, but not clinical. Like that’s why Putin actually returned the peninsula to his home harbor.
    So sho I want to say, Gramadians ... having lived for 20 years in Israel, I have never read or heard about the Jewish project in Crimea, None. If anyone has links to serious literature on this subject, please be kind to discard. Pliz
    1. -2
      20 August 2018 16: 52
      Look at the growth of Jewish settlements and areas in Crimea from 1897 to the 40s of the 20th century. The growth was very serious, therefore the appearance of the Jewish republic in Crimea, and not in the Far East, was more logical.
      1. -4
        20 August 2018 17: 09
        Hello, hello. With such opponents as I may say, the Swordsman can not even bother! He can, including official sources and bring anything! He will answer you - a lie! So don’t work in vain! He has a great commander Mehlis (I seriously) and Lenin is always young! He calls people of Stalin's genius who are not recognizing fascists, Yeltsinists and Nazis! He writes about it, both in PM and here. Just do not pay attention to it, as admins! They do not see his rudeness point-blank! And as for Stalin and his work on the Creation of the State of Israel, the Neo-Bolsheviks will also answer you just like, as in the article, the United States had to quarrel with the Arabs !!!!! Well, at least stand still!
        1. 0
          20 August 2018 17: 25
          We simply ask the Swordsman whether there were such organizations in the Crimea as the Joint and the Agro Joint. What for? Did they subsidize the Bolsheviks? To what extent and for what purpose? Were land taken from the local population? Have Jews moved to Crimea and what is Crimean California? He will find a lot of sources. Well, let him inquire.
        2. 0
          20 August 2018 17: 39
          Quote: Oper
          With opponents such as the Swordsman, so to speak

          Yes, yes, Mr. liar, with opponents like me, it’s extremely inconvenient for you to lie.
          1. 0
            20 August 2018 20: 30
            You have written a great deal, Comrade Bolshevik! Many who, as usual, were accused of lying! Only one small detail was missed - so why did Stalin create Israel ?! Did the USSR receive many benefits from this ingenious step? Sometimes you just try to carry at least some sane information yourself, and not enter into fruitless comments not even written by people, but by the people themselves! And try to answer at least a couple of questions asked. You can not? Ahhhh ... laughing You are a man about the famine of 1946-1947, and you are lying to him! Well, how can you talk? Tell me, did the Jewish section of the RCP (b) and Abram Bragin exist or is this fiction? Related to Crimea? love
      2. 0
        20 August 2018 17: 53
        Crimea is a paradise. It is not surprising that the Jews (I think others too) moved there. Is there a serious link to literature? It is about the Jewish national project in the Crimea?
  14. +1
    20 August 2018 17: 22
    Koshnitsa (Sergey), dear, but about Russians on suitcases in the Crimea - where does this come from? No one could tell Stalin that he did not care about the Jewish people. By that time, he did not care about Norwegians, nor about Ingermanlanders and Vodi, but no Jews! After the 2nd World War, there was an autonomous formation of the Jewish people in the USSR with the capital - Birobidzhan. The only thing in the world, note ...
    You have not considered the version that Keistut Zakoretsky voiced in his book "Day-M-2": the cleansing of the Crimea and Transcaucasia from "dubious" peoples (How did the Meskhetian Turks get to Fergana? And the Hemshils to Osh?) - this is one of the stages preparations for obtaining new territories from Turkey (the problem of Ararat and the former Armenian lands, work with the Kurds in Iran and Turkey, and, at the same time, the deportation of Kurds to the USSR, work on Sovietization of South Azeybarjan (fortunately, our troops were stationed there), support for the communists in Greece, and, at the same time, the deportation of Greeks to the USSR), including the problem of the Black Sea straits, as well as attempts to obtain a base for the USSR Navy in northern Africa?
  15. -1
    20 August 2018 19: 21
    Quote: Krasnodar
    You want to say,

    Everything that I wanted was indicated to you in the previous comment.
    1. -4
      20 August 2018 20: 00
      Quote: The Swordsman

      Everything that I wanted was indicated to you in the previous comment.

      Not convinced sad
      1. +1
        20 August 2018 20: 29
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Not convinced

        However, a fact is a fact and you were unable to counterargument.
        1. -2
          20 August 2018 20: 42
          What are the facts? About Contacts Lehi with Rommel in Turkey in 42? laughing (Were in 39 and 40 in Syria and Lebanon with representatives of Italians and the German Foreign Ministry, as well as with Arab leaders for a joint anti-British struggle).
          About the fact that the Nazis did not kill German, French and Dutch Jews? The same fact can not be called, rather nonsense.
          Etc. Excerpts from the Soviet propaganda of the 70s, conspiracy theories and separate phrases of historical characters taken out of context and far-fetched in order to prove false statements in advance. Casuistry and tops.
          1. 0
            20 August 2018 21: 16
            Quote: Krasnodar
            About the fact that the Nazis did not kill German, French and Dutch Jews? The same fact can not be called, rather nonsense.

            Fact, they killed the poor. So to say with a whip, they drove everything else into Palestine. Fact.
            Who is guilty of Babi Yar? Who is called to go there to die. Like sheep, by whose call? Enough courage to admit who were those whom the Jews of Kiev believed?
            1. -4
              21 August 2018 11: 23
              Yeah beggars lol
              About ten years ago there was a scandal in Switzerland - the banks of this country appropriated the money of Jews killed during the Holocaust, and they did it on a tip (lists) of SS-tsev. And it is known that only poor people have money in Swiss banks. Here you have a fact))
  16. 0
    20 August 2018 20: 01
    Quote: Curious
    You read Polonsky on the VO website. Read Primakov or Johnson - there will be a completely different level.

    --------------------
    I read a lot of things. VO writes extended abstracts, not detailed articles.
  17. -3
    21 August 2018 08: 41
    The history of the creation of Israel is rather muddy, like the whole biblical history ... Yes, the Soviet Union had a hand in the creation of Israel, Stalin had plans, and difficult relations with the Zionists, although not all Zionists wanted the creation of Israel ... Streamlined article ... , yes it was, but not quite so, persistent rumors are circulating that the Allies really demanded the creation of Israel in Crimea, and present-day Israel is only a compromise ...,
  18. 0
    21 August 2018 09: 11
    The United Nations, at the Second Session of its General Assembly on November 29, 1947, adopted a plan for the partition of Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181). Taking into account the votes of the socialist camp, the number of countries that voted "For" remained higher (28 against 18). Of the 33 votes "For", 5 were under the influence of the USSR, including the USSR itself: the Byelorussian SSR, Poland, the USSR, the Ukrainian SSR and Czechoslovakia. Yugoslavia pursued an independent policy, there were no Soviet troops on its territory. The vote on partition at the UN Assembly is carried out by a simple vote, where the vote of tiny Haiti is equal to that of any other large state. You can't put a veto there.
    Do not forget that after the end of the Second World War, the UK was not able to keep its colonies and protectorates. Thus, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Malaysia, Malta, Cyprus, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain and many others gained independence. Palestine was no exception, and the keys to this territory (where the national liberation struggle was in full swing). Britain and France previously - in 20-x, 30-x and 40-x already cut a bunch of Arab states here - Transjordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. Yes, these are all "remakes"... (There are no "ancient" states on the BV, perhaps excluding Egypt, but it also has its own historical problems.) Only from the little that remained from this redistribution, the UN decision was proposed to cut off another piece and transfer it to the Arabs to create another Arab state. The rest was offered to the Jews ...
    However, it should be understood and another side of this issue. The creation of Israel naturally squeezed Britain from a strategically important region and could enable the USSR to take its place. The words of Stalin are widely known:
    “Let's agree to the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and make them turn their backs on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq."
    What was he to do? Leave Palestine under the eternal mandate of its sworn enemy of Great Britain, which itself has already refused the mandate?
    Whether the UN voted for partition or not, the state of Israel actually already existed by that time. Its own financial system was created, including currency, health and education systems (schools and universities), transport, infrastructure, electricity production, agriculture. Local self-government bodies were organized, in fact there were military units and enterprises for the production of weapons, there was a cultural life, press, theaters. Stalin had nothing to do with all of the above, and accordingly, no "Soviet government" could suddenly appear there. This is not the 1939 Democratic Republic of Finland. Sorry.
    I once wrote that the myth of "Soviet volunteers" who allegedly took part in the War for the Independence of Israel can be found on the net. Facts completely expose this myth. In Israel, there is a special organization of volunteers - "MAhal". This organization has lists of names about 4 400 volunteers, including men, women, Jews and non-Jews from 58 countries around the world who came to the aid of the Jewish state during the difficult days of the War of Independence. There are no volunteers from the USSR.
    It is known that the creation of Israel caused a stream of appeals of Soviet Jews to the authorities of the USSR with a request to send them as volunteers to the fighting Jewish state. The Soviet authorities brutally suppressed this truly popular movement. A number of people who made such requests or tried to leave were illegally convicted by Soviet punitive bodies.

    Yes, Joseph Vissarionovich graciously allowed Czechoslovakia to supply arms to Israel, but they were not of decisive importance. Supplies were limited to two dozens of converted Messerschmitts at astronomical prices and small arms. Avia S-199 were delivered to Israel - for the price of $ 180 000 per plane. For comparison, the Americans sold fighters for $ 15 000, and bombers for $ 30 000 per plane. Palestine's air service purchased C-46 Commando medium transport planes in different countries for $ 5 000, four-engined transport planes C-69 Constellation for $ 15 000 per piece, heavy bombers B-17 for $ 20 000. In Palestine, there was still a war, and the MGB of the USSR officers had already killed the world-famous theater director and Jewish public figure Solomon Mikhoels, followed in Czechoslovakia "The Case of Slansky" (where the blame for Israel, among other things, was put) , "The Struggle against Cosmopolitans" and other very serious repressions against Jews. Israel has never feared domestic anti-Semitism. On the contrary, the more bytoviki put pressure on the Jews, the greater their number comes to Israel. Israel has always been afraid of state anti-Semitism. All this could not please the young Jewish state, and with all its socialist essence (yes, idealistic socialists created Israel, the Communist Party and trade unions were very strong at that time), went under the wing of the West, and the USSR began to help Arab countries. Alas...
    I’m here in VO, I’m probably writing for the hundredth time that in 1947, the United Nations gave the Arabs and Jews a ticket for the Train of History. The Jews accepted it with gratitude, and the Arabs began to dog and, right on the day of the proclamation of Independence, the whole crowd attacked the new-born Jewish state. For what they got tight on the horns and crawled off to lick their wounds.
    As a result, it is clearly visible to everyone (but not everyone understands this) that History had its own way: Israel 70 years old, this is a completely prosperous state that turned the desert into a paradise garden, with a long life expectancy, with a strong army, excellent medicine, powerful tech and military industry, with 100 billion exports, and the Arabs still go on donkeys cursing the Jews and blaming them for all their troubles ...
    1. BAI
      +1
      21 August 2018 10: 13
      The words of Stalin are widely known:
      1. “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

      No less widely known are the words of the representative of the USSR at the UN, A. Gromyko:
      “The Jewish people suffered exceptional calamities and sufferings in the last war. On the territory dominated by the Hitlerites, the Jews were subjected to almost complete physical extermination - about six million people died. The fact that not a single Western European state was able to ensure the protection of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and protect it from violence by the fascist executioners explains the Jews' desire to create their own state. It would be unfair not to reckon with this and deny the right of the Jewish people to carry out such a desire. ”
      So the USSR’s self-serving interests were not so great when creating Israel.
      2.
      The facts completely expose this myth. There is a special organization of volunteers in Israel - "Mahal"

      I apologize for disclosing the secret of correspondence, but you yourself wrote to me that the chairman of this organization told you that immigrants from the USSR came to Israel under different names and to document or deny their participation in the 1947-1949 war. (We discussed this topic with you when there was your article about the indicated war).
      1. 0
        21 August 2018 13: 36
        Quote: BAI
        The words of Stalin are widely known:
        1. “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

        No less widely known are the words of the representative of the USSR at the UN, A. Gromyko:
        “The Jewish people suffered exceptional calamities and sufferings in the last war. On the territory dominated by the Hitlerites, the Jews were subjected to almost complete physical extermination - about six million people died. The fact that not a single Western European state was able to ensure the protection of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and protect it from violence by the fascist executioners explains the Jews' desire to create their own state. It would be unfair not to reckon with this and deny the right of the Jewish people to carry out such a desire. ”
        So the USSR’s self-serving interests were not so great when creating Israel.
        2.
        The facts completely expose this myth. There is a special organization of volunteers in Israel - "Mahal"

        I apologize for disclosing the secret of correspondence, but you yourself wrote to me that the chairman of this organization told you that immigrants from the USSR came to Israel under different names and to document or deny their participation in the 1947-1949 war. (We discussed this topic with you when there was your article about the indicated war).

        Stalin never did anything without far-reaching goals. Considering that he didn’t have any love for Jews at all, but for Jews who lived under a British mandate in particular, then Gromyko’s speech is nothing more than another stage setting in a Stalinist play.
        Stalin was not going to let anyone leave the country "where people breathe so freely."
        I repeat, a certain number of Jews of former Polish citizens who managed to escape to the USSR with the start of the occupation of Poland by Giteler, returned home after 45. Perhaps among them were quite Russian speakers and they could be in our area by the beginning of the War of Independence. However, there were no soviet volunteers neither in the army, nor in the air, nor in the navy of Israel. Volunteers from other countries (primarily from the United States, South Africa and the United Kingdom) were, but not from the USSR.
        1. BAI
          +2
          21 August 2018 14: 37
          that immigrants from the USSR came to Israel under different names

          No volunteers -natives from the USSR. It is understood that the volunteers then come back (as in Spain). Natives - remain for permanent residence. Therefore, naturally, there were no volunteers. We are talking about those who moved and remained for permanent residence.
          1. 0
            21 August 2018 15: 11
            Quote: BAI
            that immigrants from the USSR came to Israel under different names

            No volunteers -natives from the USSR. It is understood that the volunteers then come back (as in Spain). Natives - remain for permanent residence. Therefore, naturally, there were no volunteers. We are talking about those who moved and remained for permanent residence.

            Jews of the USSR had no real opportunity travel to Israel in 1947 - 48's.
            1. BAI
              +1
              21 August 2018 17: 44
              And what about this? Again do not believe the Internet?
              And while in the UN there were disputes and backstage talks about the fate of the Arab and Jewish states on the territory of Palestine, the USSR began to build a new Jewish state with Stalin’s shock pace. Started with the main thing - with the army, intelligence, counterintelligence and police. And not on paper, but in practice.

              The Jewish territories resembled a military district that was alarmed and promptly began combat deployment. There was nobody to plow, everyone was preparing for war. By order of Soviet officers among the settlers, people of the required military specialties came to light, were brought to bases, where they were quickly checked by the Soviet counterintelligence, and then immediately taken to the ports, where the ships were unloaded from the British. As a result, the tanks, just delivered from board to pier, sat down a full crew and drove military equipment to the place of permanent deployment or directly to the battlefield.

              The special forces of Israel was created from scratch. Direct participation in the creation and training of commandos took the best officers of the NKVD-MGB ("Stalin's falcons" from the detachment "Berkut", 101-th intelligence school and control "C" by General Sudoplatov) who had operational and sabotage experience: Otroshchenko, Korotkov, Vertiporoh and dozens of others. In addition to them, two generals from the infantry and aviation, the vice-admiral of the Navy, five colonels and eight lieutenant colonels, and, of course, junior officers for immediate work in the field, were urgently seconded to Israel.


              Among the "younger" were mostly former soldiers and officers with the corresponding "fifth column" in the questionnaire, who expressed a desire to repatriate to their historical homeland. As a result, Captain Halperin (born in Vitebsk in 1912) became the founder and first head of Mossad intelligence, created the Shin Bet security and counterintelligence service. The history of Israel and its special services “honorary pensioner and faithful heir to Beria”, the second man after Ben-Gurion, entered under the name Iser Harel. Smersha officer Livanov founded and led the foreign intelligence of Nativa Bar. He took the Jewish name Nehimiya Levanon, under which he entered the history of Israeli intelligence. Captains Nikolsky, Zaitsev and Malevanyi “set up” the work of the special forces of the IDF, two officers of the Navy (names could not be established) created and trained a unit of naval special forces. Theoretical training was regularly supported by practical exercises - raids on the rear of the Arab armies and sweeps of Arab villages.

              Some of the scouts got into piquant situations, if they happened in another place, serious consequences could not be avoided. Thus, one Soviet agent infiltrated the Orthodox Jewish community, and he did not even know the basics of Judaism. When this was discovered, he was forced to admit that he was a professional security officer. Then the community council decided: to give comrade proper religious education. Moreover, the authority of the Soviet agent in the community has grown dramatically: the USSR is a fraternal country, the settlers reasoned, what secrets could there be from it?
              1. +1
                21 August 2018 20: 04
                Quote: BAI
                Again, do not believe the Internet?

                Yes. Do not believe.
                Israel Halperin came to Palestine in 1930 at the age of 17. Isser Harel "became the founder and first head of the Mossad intelligence, created the Shin Bet public security and counterintelligence service." His biography is well known.

                Nehemiah Levanon used to be not Lebanon, but Levitan. He was not the fitter of Smersh, because in 23 of the year (1938) left Tallinn for Palestine. Since the creation of Nativ in 1952, he has been its employee. Point.

                Everything else, including "Captains Nikolsky, Zaitsev and Malevany" and "the Soviet agent infiltrated the Orthodox Jewish community, and he himself did not even know the basics of Judaism" in general, is complete nonsense.
                1. BAI
                  +1
                  21 August 2018 20: 53
                  But, proceeding from this logic, the main problem ....- after all, your articles and comments cannot be trusted - they are published on the Internet. Vicious circle.
                  1. +2
                    21 August 2018 21: 27
                    Quote: BAI
                    But, proceeding from this logic, the main problem ....- after all, your articles and comments cannot be trusted - they are published on the Internet. Vicious circle.

                    Well, first, you can not believe. People who live in the world believe that the earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth, that the Americans did not fly to the moon, that Churchill is a veteran of the Battle of Borodino and the supreme Egyptian priest ...
                    Secondly, in my articles the facts and the description of historical events, as a rule, are based on authoritative sources. There is a rather dry scientific literature on these issues. Archives have long been declassified, and many documents have never been kept secret, but are freely available. There are archives and scientific libraries where, for a ridiculous subscription fee, they will select and copy the necessary materials for you. It all depends on the degree of study needed. If you want to dabble at the forum, then you should not bother, but if you are preparing a dissertation or writing a monograph, it is very easy work.
                    1. BAI
                      +2
                      22 August 2018 08: 59
                      Any text can be declared false, any photo by photoshop (and this is often used in comments on HE). I am not a Hebrew scholar, can you translate?
                      1. 0
                        22 August 2018 10: 50
                        Quote: BAI
                        Any text can be declared false, any photo by photoshop (and this is often used in comments on HE). I am not a Hebrew scholar, can you translate?

                        Everything is possible. Right. It just doesn't change anything.

                        What is practiced in HE, sometimes it doesn’t fit on the head. So now?

                        Translation of the text on the poster, literally in Russian does not sound, but a very close sense is as follows:
                        "Long live the fraternal alliance between Israel and the USSR.
                        Long live the October Revolution.
                        United Workers' Party. "

                        The party was founded in January 1948 by the left wing of the Poalei Zion Zionist Socialist (Workers of Zion) movement and the Hashomer Hatzair movement (Young Guard). The party proclaimed a commitment to the Marxist-Leninist ideology and adhered to the pro-Soviet and pro-Stalinist policies.
                        In the first elections to the Knesset, the party received 19 seats (from 120 is a very serious force!), But because of its pro-Soviet orientation it was not included in the government of David Ben-Gurion. The Prague political processes (the trial of Rudolf Slansky (1951) and other leaders of the Czechoslovak Communist Party) led to the departure of the party from a clearly pro-Soviet orientation. Among the defendants in these trials, most were Jews. Among the defendants was the representative of MAPAM in Prague, Mordechai Oren. After the report N.S. Khrushchev at the XX Congress of the CPSU MAPAM refused Stalinist ideology.
                        Dissolved in the 1997 year.
        2. +1
          22 August 2018 20: 30
          Quote: A. Privalov
          .... Stalin never did anything without far-reaching goals
          Wonderful words that I met where I did not expect.
          It turns out that far-reaching goals are known. Only unfortunately we have little talk about it now.
    2. 0
      21 August 2018 19: 07
      Quote: A. Privalov
      I'm here in

      Smack nonsense. To disassemble your opus above is simply disgusting.
  19. +2
    21 August 2018 09: 55
    Naivety in the national policy of the USSR was very costly, especially in 1941. Nationality will always take precedence over class or religious "solidarity." The Jews, like other peoples of Russia, had their own national interests.
    1. 0
      23 August 2018 01: 53
      Quote: samarin1969
      Naivety in the national politics of the USSR was very expensive, especially in 1941.

      Naivety is a very appropriate word, and not only for national politics. I forgot this word and often thought in other, less appropriate words about some of the actions of the leadership of the USSR.
  20. -1
    21 August 2018 10: 19
    Yes, the oddities of Soviet foreign policy are simply astounding, I’m generally silent about internal ..., slobbering article, in the spirit of GDP comments about positivism
    1. -3
      21 August 2018 11: 36
      What's so strange about that? Most of the Arab governments had a Nazi past and not only (in Syria in 1947 the party in power was called the National Socialist Party, many branches of the army were founded by fugitive German Nazis), the leader of the Palestinian Arabs was Hitler’s “personal friend” - Haj Amin El Husseini , founder of the Muslim SS battalion, Iraqis fought on the side of the Nazis, etc.
      The British had the right to deploy military bases in the same Jordan with the possibility of introducing an unlimited number of troops into the territory of this country, etc.
      Who, in your opinion, should Stalin support after that?
  21. 0
    21 August 2018 12: 28
    Stalinist politics is full of mysteries ...., beat Stalin ,,, it happens,
  22. +2
    22 August 2018 01: 09
    Quote: andrewkor
    The theme of the struggle of the God-chosen people against the British administration by purely terrorist methods has been circumvented or deliberately not addressed. Hagan, Irgun, Lehi is the same as Hamas, OOP, DAISH!

    Well, they (the Israelis) responded to the naglitzans with the same method.
    “At the beginning of 1947, the Zionist organizations bought the ship“ President Warfield ”from the Americans and renamed it“ Exodus. ”This is the Greek name for the ending of the tragedy. After repairs, the ship with 4515 passengers on board left the French port of Marseille on a course to Palestine.
    In fact, the ship was designed for only 500 people. It was impossible to move on deck due to cramped spaces. Refugees spent most of the time in the hold, in small cabins densely packed with sunbeds. But on them lay only children, the elderly and all those who could no longer stand. But people bravely endured all hardships. They were strong in spirit, and full of optimism.
    It soon became apparent that the Exodus was under heavy guard. More precisely - an escort. He was accompanied, a little - a lot, exactly six British destroyers. One would have thought that the British had arrested a ship on which the top of the Third Reich, led by Hitler, fled from retaliation.
    On the way to the Palestinian shores, the destroyer sailors boarded. The Jews managed to repel the attack. Then the English ships departed from the Exodus, and then at close range opened fire from machine guns to defeat. Three refugees were killed, more than a hundred injured.
    Despite the shelling, the Exodus continued on its course. And only after the commander of the English squadron threatened to sink the ship, and immediately confirmed with a salvo of guns the seriousness of his intentions, the captain of Exodus Yosi Harel decided to hand over the ship. However, by this time, the radio operator “Exodus” managed to transmit information about the tragic incident to Tel Aviv. Soon thanks to the "Hagan" the whole world became aware of it.
    Upon learning of the incident, British Foreign Minister Ernest Bevin decided to teach a lesson to rebellious Jews. He ordered that former prisoners of Nazism not get into Palestine, but even into an internment camp in Cyprus.
    The Minister instructed all Exodus passengers to return to Europe. Haggard half-dead people, only recently freed from concentration camps, were again imprisoned. This time floating. More than 4,5 refugees were accommodated in British transport ships adapted for floating prisons. Ships headed towards the shores of Europe. However, when they arrived at one of the French ports, the Jews refused to go ashore.
    Here is how the German journalist Rub Grubber described a terrible scene, which he witnessed: “... hundreds of emaciated half-naked people looked like they were in a pen with dogs. Poor and lost, interrupting each other, people shouted in all European languages. Old women and young men cried, not ashamed of their tears. All of them were overwhelmed by a terrible fear of what awaited them ahead ... "
    In the end, the French authorities ordered English ships with refugees on board to leave the port. The British minister Bevin closely watched the events of this sad flight. When he was informed of what had happened in France, Bevin cynically ordered the Jews to be returned to Germany.
    In Hamburg, British soldiers armed with truncheons have already forcibly landed half-dead people ashore without any ceremony. This tragedy ended the flight of the Exodus. Since then, Ernest Bevin has been nicknamed "Bergen-Bevin" in memory of one of the most terrible Nazi death camps Bergen-Belsen. "
  23. -1
    22 August 2018 13: 02
    Quote: Tests
    dear, but about the Russians on the suitcases in the Crimea - where does this come from?

    In the first time after the eviction of the Crimean Tatars, panic was widespread among the remaining population of Crimea. Many were afraid that they would deport everyone else soon. These sentiments intensified especially after the deportation in June 1944 of Crimean Armenians, Bulgarians and Greeks. From the protocol of the plenum of the Crimean regional committee of the CPSU (b) held on June 14, 1944
    “There are many such conversations: “Here the Tatars were taken out and they will take us out.” And even crackers dry.
    RGASPI, f.17, op. 44, d.758, l. 36ob.
  24. BAI
    +1
    22 August 2018 13: 29

    A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) Today, 10: 50
    0
    Quote: BAI
    Any text can be declared false, any photo by photoshop (and this is often used in comments on HE). I am not a Hebrew scholar, can you translate?

    Everything is possible. Right. It just doesn't change anything.

    About the poster - Thank you. I did not know about the United Workers' Party and its history.
    I can not answer on the branch - the site is buggy, we have a separate comment.
    1. 0
      22 August 2018 15: 13
      Quote: BAI

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov) Today, 10: 50
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Any text can be declared false, any photo by photoshop (and this is often used in comments on HE). I am not a Hebrew scholar, can you translate?

      Everything is possible. Right. It just doesn't change anything.

      About the poster - Thank you. I did not know about the United Workers' Party and its history.
      I can not answer on the branch - the site is buggy, we have a separate comment.

      You're welcome.
      What's this! After the 20th Congress of the CPSU, the Communist Party has split and there are two of them. One completely Stalinist and Orthodox, and the second, a little more open. It is in a slightly modified form and to this day exists. True, it almost 95% Arabs. You can still feed them with bikes.

      This is not a glitch. This is how the script has been working here for a long time. He breaks off a thread of dialogue after four or five answers. It may be specifically to stop skirmishes, and maybe just some kind of flaw.

      Recent innovations have led to the disappearance of the notification of the response to the comment (bell). You have to look a dozen times where you commented. Of course, this increases the number of page views at times, but it is terribly irritating.
      Disappeared rating. I do not need him very much. Damn it.
      The disappearance of color subscribers. It was an interesting feature. It is nice to see how the patriots rush to support the domestic resource.
      An interesting new lotion: now, the nicknames of the authors of the articles stand out in green in the comments. In fact, here it is somehow not very common to communicate with their readers.
      1. BAI
        +1
        22 August 2018 16: 18
        It is nice to see how the patriots rush to support the domestic resource.

        But you are a patriot of your country. Support her. Why can't we support ours?
        1. +1
          22 August 2018 16: 24
          Quote: BAI
          It is nice to see how the patriots rush to support the domestic resource.

          But you are a patriot of your country. Support her. Why can't we support ours?

          On the contrary! Be sure to. I say this and that patriots do not support the domestic resource, not by word, but by deed.
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  26. -1
    23 August 2018 23: 01
    All right. You just need to understand that Koba beautifully flew. After which the doctors' case appeared and the plans were much wider.
  27. +1
    26 November 2018 15: 51
    Well, I could not get past such an article.

    Such a position of the Soviet Union would have been impossible if Joseph Stalin personally had not advocated the creation of a separate Jewish state. It was Stalin who, despite numerous accusations against him by the “liberal public” in anti-Semitism, the modern State of Israel owes its existence. It is worth recalling that by the time Israel was created, the Soviet Union was the only state in the world where a criminal conviction could be obtained for anti-Semitism.

    Where could a criminal record be obtained for anti-Semitism? Seriously? The author, for 70 years at least one person received such a criminal record? fool

    Despite the “purges” of the late 1930's and certain nuances of the post-war period, Jews in the Soviet Union felt much better than in most other countries of the world.

    I will analyze this article for quotes. By God. I haven't met such pearls for a long time. "Certain nuances of the post-war era" is the physical destruction of Jewish leaders? Genocide of Jews in the USSR is it nyunasy? I'm even afraid to ask the author about the list of these "most countries".

    The composition of the government of the new state was even formed in the USSR. Solomon Lozovsky, a member of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and former Deputy Foreign Minister of the USSR, was to be appointed prime minister of Jewish Palestine, General David Dragunsky, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, was to become minister of war, and intelligence officer of the Navy Grigory Gilman was to become minister of navy .

    The author killed me. They wanted to appoint the chairman of the anti-Zionist committee created to deny the right of Jews to their state to the post of Minister of Defense of the Zionist state? But Hitler did not want to appoint the chairman of the Jewish Agency? wassat

    Everything. I do not read further.