Ally: Turkey arrested the Russian crew of a dry cargo ship in Istanbul

16 August, according to the message (RIA News"), the Streamline cargo ship with a Russian crew of 11 people was arrested in the Istanbul port. This ship went from Rostov-on-Don to Istanbul, where it was planned to repair it, however, Turkish port officials learned that the cargo ship was seized for losses of the previous owner in the amount of $ 0,5 million.

Streamline dry cargo ship

The current shipowner refused to negotiate with both the port authorities and the crew, and stopped communicating.

The detained members of the Russian crew (who had not been paid salaries for two months) appealed for help to the Russian consulate general; the situation is still under consideration; but for the time being, the Turkish authorities prohibit Russian sailors from leaving the ship, although they are provided with food.

View of the port of Istanbul

According to preliminary data, the problem can be solved only by resale of the dry cargo ship at the expense of debts, or by selling the ship for scrap, however, it is unknown how long this process will take and what time else Russian citizens will be limited in freedom of movement ...

Comments

[Vard]

Common practice ... Animal grin of capitalism ...

[siberalt]

And who did not know how to go overseas with debts? Turkey is a sovereign country.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vard

Common practice ... Animal grin of capitalism ...

The Russian crew and the employer were terribly out of luck.
The current shipowner refused to negotiate with both the Turkish port authorities and the crew, and stopped contacting. I don’t envy him either. Only an illiterate entrepreneur can do business like this - a person whom, apparently, crooks are simply bastardized like suckers and who have nothing to do with the sea.
I wonder what kind of citizenship the shipowner has?

This case is a vivid example of the utopianism of the idea of ​​the existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market of capital, goods and labor with its monetarism according to Milton Friedman.

[maxim947]

Yes, sailors suffer the most, but about

This case is a vivid example of the utopianism of the idea of ​​the existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market of capital, goods and labor with its monetarism according to Milton Friedman.

This is not an example of utopian capitalism, it is an example of the banal stupidity and greed of the owner, who must be sought and bent in full, or exchanged for the crew of the ship.

[Nikolai]

Quote: maxim947

Yes, sailors suffer the most, but about

I wonder what they suffer for? For being sailors? Judging by the events, the sailors are the most unprotected, but rather unprotected part of the people ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: maxim947

Tatyana
This case is a vivid example of the utopianism of the idea of ​​the existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market of capital, goods and labor with its monetarism according to Milton Friedman.

This is not an example of utopian capitalism, This is an example of the banal stupidity and greed of the owner, who must be sought and bent in full, or exchanged for the crew of the vessel.

Maksim! Well, you again did not understand me. You have confused materialism with idealism. Namely.
You have equated the concept of real capitalism with all its shortcomings with the doctrinal idea of ​​the American Milton Friedman in the form of a speculative social project, which is being put into practice, to build supposedly perfectly fair capitalism on Earth throughout the world. Due to what?
Due to the alleged existence in the world of some anarchist absolutely "free" of everyone and every world market, which is supposedly absolutely "clean" of profanities and dishonesty both on the part of the participants in the capital market, goods (services) of labor, and from pressure on them nation state. And the author assumes that all market participants free from the state are initially at all times equal in life and can always become rich if they just want it. This is pure utopia and bluff!
Behind this attempt to whitewash capitalism with Milton Friedman lies a very definite goal taken by Washington's apologists. Namely.
The purpose of this American bluff is toso that the "native" sovereign countries for the United States, uncontrollably and duty-free by their governments, mistakenly, free and defenseless from competition, open access to their domestic markets for US multinational companies for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase by foreigners of "native" wealth, enterprises and natural resources.
At the same time, the reduction of native state property to the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good. For the state supposedly does not need to control anything, there is no need to punish anyone, and there is no need to regulate trade and production either. That at the same time all members of society will become such honest and law-abiding entrepreneurs that therefore it will no longer be necessary to protect the population from swindlers, thieves, robbers and murderers. And therefore, the alleged national state, as an anachronism, will disappear by itself as unnecessary, and there is no need to defend it at all. Instead, distribution of material goods "from above" will not be required, because everything will be regulated by this "ideal" capitalist market. But those who did not fit into the market are already their problems. Let, they say, they survive on their own, as they can. These include in particular all the so-called. "superfluous" people: pensioners, disabled people, children, etc. - all those who "did not fit into the market." But they should be "happy" from their freedom from the fattening abstract bureaucratic state that has been pressing over them for centuries in the way that anarchists have always dreamed of it for centuries.

TOTAL. This whole ideology of Milton Friedman about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market is the anarchist propaganda of the American establishment to decompose the national security of sovereign states to their complete elimination and subordination in favor of US multinational companies.
Unfortunately, this ideology unofficially adopted by the Russian ruling elite, as a state ideology. It is implemented in practice by the Government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, in the State Duma and the Federation Council. And HSE is the forge of bourgeois young cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
REFERENCE
Compradorism (Spanish comprador buyer) is a way of doing business in which profit is derived from activities that undermine its national economy and reduce its ability to grow and ...

[maxim947]

Tatyana, I always read your detailed comments with great pleasure) and they often draw a parallel with historical facts. Bravo.

[Tatyana]

Quote: maxim947

Tatyana, I always read your detailed comments with great pleasure) and they often draw a parallel with historical facts. Bravo.

Thank you, Maxim, on a kind word! And sometimes I sometimes think that I am writing for you in vain! It’s good that it’s not so.
And she wrote about Milton Friedman’s doctrine because many Russians are not familiar with it.
The Americans began to brainwash our people in this regard since the days of Gorbachev's “new thinking”. In the 1980s, not all doctors of science understood this even in the RAS of the USSR. And the very use of the dialectical-materialist method to test the internal logical consistency of new economic concepts of the liberal wing and their scientifically sound criticism with the use of dialectical materialism itself in theoretical developments has been secretly generally FORBIDDEN "from above" since 1986. I talked about this in 1989 by chance from the teaching staff. found out.
As a result, since then the dialectical-materialist method - the most perfect method in philosophy - has become for Russians the so-called. "closed scientific technologies". To make it easier for foreigners to govern us. That we were blind in politics and could not defend ourselves from our enemies.

[maxim947]

And again, bravo, I’ll go to use the vastness of the web to expand my horizons)

[Shurik70]

Quote: Vard

Simple practice...

The practice is common. It is logical, if there is a debtor, and even on the international wanted list, then to seize his property - this can be understood.
BUT NEVER UNDERSTAND why is the crew arrested with the ship? If a plant goes bankrupt, no one will arrest workers. Why are sailors being arrested?

[nathanael]

Raised !! Everything is clear on the shelves ... Pure capitalism as pure socialism (we keep silent about communism) cannot be .. even ideally ... Always someone will not fit .... Or maybe you have some kind of recipe ... so that the wolves the sheep are fed up and fed, and you know how it’s not at all .....

[Tusv]

Quote: Tatiana

I wonder what kind of citizenship the shipowner has?

An interesting story from this ship. Constantly arrested for not paying ZP. And the Turks only woke up conscience. Finally arrested

Quote: RPSM official website

The owner of the ship Viktor Skripkin transferred it to the bareboat charter to another shipowner from Azerbaijan - it was he who dialed the current crew. The Russian Union of Seafarers strongly advises seafarers to think ten times before agreeing to work on an unfortunate ship - regardless of the owner, the situation on board the Streamline does not change.

[Tusv]

Quote: siberalt

And who did not know how to go overseas with debts? Turkey is a sovereign country.

Everything is clear, nothing is clear. I drove with debts and with arrest at the ports of Turkey and Italy for 5 years and no one was buzzing

Quote: Article 4 a year ago

All this time “Streamline” was out of Russian jurisdiction. No one had real levers of influence on the shipowner: Turkey and Italy, where the ship went, do not recognize court decisions made in the Russian Federation.

It turns out that the title is correct. Turkey finally fulfilled allied duty?

[Seal]

He is now beyond our jurisdiction. You can check by IMO number 8866711. The flag of the vessel is Comoros.
Former Omsk 98.
Romanian built. 1978 year.

[SGarnik]

[quoteA who did not know how to go overseas with debts? Turkey is a sovereign country.] [/ Quote].
And what are the Turks arbiters in this matter? Or do they owe to the Turks? How easy it is to manage your (Russian) opinions, today a friend and tomorrow an enemy. A geopolitical enemy cannot wish his foe prosperity, only death.

[bouncyhunter]

Do not think that I am defending the Turks, but they, at least, have not a far-fetched excuse, unlike myzobul.

[bessmertniy]

You can’t give our scrap metal to the Turks.

[cniza]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Do not think that I am defending the Turks, but they, at least, have not a far-fetched excuse, unlike myzobul.

And I think that they act correctly, we don’t even know in whose interests it is possible that in Russia. A common practice, and the headline looks like a provocation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: bessmertniy

You can’t give our scrap metal to the Turks.

He is no longer ours. The owners have long profiled him.

[svp67]

Paul

Quote: bouncyhunter

but they have, at least, not a far-fetched pretext, unlike myzobul.

In, in ... that's right Pasha, this is a completely different matter ... otherwise we begin to inflate with "elephant flies"

[bouncyhunter]

Sergey, one more time

Quote: svp67

we begin to inflate from "elephant flies"

We do not give in to provocations and remain sober. Although about "sobriety" I, perhaps, turned down - today is Friday.

[svp67]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Although about "sobriety" I, perhaps, turned down - today is Friday.

Good "bend"

[abc_alex]

Foolish headline. Turks in their own right, the ship, as I understand it, is a guarantee of debt and its detention is quite legitimate. The main rats here are not Turks, but shipowners. Sailors are likely to be taken out with the support of diplomats, and the ship will be confiscated.

[konstantin68]

Everything is in the legal field, no? What does this have to do with politics?

[sogdy]

To politics - no. There is some ignorance of the marine code.

[Dezinto]

Cool guys (crew), they were not paid for two months, the ship was arrested and they set off on a "good journey" to conquer new seas. Now they are applying to the consulate. And the muddy owner sharply greased the skis.
Exactly what does politics and the consulate have to do with it? It is necessary to be friends with the head sometimes.

[Serg662]

In fact, two months of delay in salary is not critical, most likely they were promised that they were about to pay. And since they did not declare a strike and found flights to them, the captain did not have the opportunity not to carry out these flights, because a cargo ship makes money only by transporting cargo. In this case, the situation with the crew is not clear - on the contrary, they need to stay on board until the salary is paid in full, if they leave without money, then they definitely won’t get anything. And it is also very important whether the sailors are members of the international union of sailors, if not, then money will be difficult to achieve. In general, the situation is quite widespread, and so far there can be no complaints against Turkey.

[aszzz888]

... business and nothing more, but it always suffers like a crew ...

[Loess]

Purely allied: Turkish authorities arrested the Russian crew of a cargo ship

Did I miss something? When did Turkey formalize allied relations with Russia?

[Mountain shooter]

According to the content of the article, what does an ally have to do with it ... A ship comes in, the owner (old) hanged a debt on it, did not check the new one, and drove the ship under arrest. And what should the Turkish authorities do?

[rotmistr60]

a bulk carrier was seized for losses of the past owner in the amount of $ 0,5 million.

In this case, the claim is only to the shipowner, but not to the Turks.

[Servisinzhener]

Again a scandalous heading under which there is nothing. The ship has been seized in securing debt and cooperation between Russia and Turkey has nothing to do with it at all. He was not arrested for being from Russia or calling at the ports of Crimea. And this situation is fundamentally different from the Ukrainian one.

[Zaurbek]

a bulk carrier was seized for losses of the past owner in the amount of $ 0,5 million.

money in the morning - chairs in the evening!

[Piramidon]

It is unlikely that the cost of this ship will pay off the amount of debt. The shipowner counted on this, he shook his grandmother to the last. His logic is simple, like three pennies - they will arrest him, well, to hell with him, with this rusty iron.

[ANCIENT]

I would have loaded the oldest and most rusty dry cargo ship to capacity, chock-full, with Turkish tomatoes, wrote on board in Russian "instead of С400", and would have sunk it off the Turkish coast!

[Piramidon]

Quote: ANCIENT

I would have loaded the oldest and most rusty dry cargo ship to capacity, chock-full, with Turkish tomatoes, wrote on board in Russian "instead of С400", and would have sunk it off the Turkish coast!

As the Russian proverb says: "God did not give horns to a thirsty cow," otherwise you would have felled up here.

[DPN]

Such barges go along the internal rivers of Russia, only with the Russian name Oksky or Volgo-Don. Mixed river-sea sailing. So horseradish with this rattletrap. Here you can’t do anything wrong against the Turks. Capitalism, as Putin said, you yourself have chosen.

[irbis0373]

A loud headline, and the article itself is not a word about politics. Suyuovdeladel certainly bastard.
Once again, the title and essence of the article are two contradictions

[demo]

Suyuovdeladeli certainly a bastard.
I agree that he is a bastard! But who is "Suuovladeley"?

[Jerk]

The Turks did what the union was supposed to do ...

[Guru]

And here alliance is ordinary economic affairs. The real shipowner must be arrested, funds withdrawn to repay the crew debt, and then decide what to do with the ship.

[BAI]

It was Russia that was yet to arrest him. Back in Rostov-on-Don. Once again, a bribe to law enforcement authorities closed her eyes.

[Yrec]

The title does not match the article.

[Avior]

And you Brute?!

[Rostislav]

With the arrest of the ship, it’s clear, where does the crew who are forbidden to leave board? Why do sailors become hostages of dishonest shipowners?

[CAT BAIYUN]

As I understand it, there is no political motive in this case. Owner's debts.
What kind of "wonderful" ship owner is there? I understand that in some cases it is cheaper to drain property for debts, but the crew without salary ?! Disgusting. And the Turks have nothing to do with it.

[PValery53]

The shipowner, of course, will pay (even with his own skin) wage arrears and sailors traveling home, and then the Turks what they want, they do the owner (work) with this ship, but by law.

[A. Privalov]

Apparently, this is the former OMSKIY 98.

Reg.owner: Seemann Investitionen Ltd (Ukraine, Odessa)
Operator: Megion Co Ltd, Azov

Really located in the port area of ​​Istanbul.

The team is a pity from the heart. Even if they knew about the master's difficulties.

[Butchcassidy]

The situation, of course, is unpleasant, but I do not think that this is the fault of the Turks, there is rather a question to the owners of the vessel and to the legal side of the issue.

You should not throw hats so indiscriminately and you should not perceive relations between countries as friendship between two people, and even an open, purely Russian attitude to such friendship. It is exclusively about pragmatic relationships based on the principle "profitable - not profitable".

[HMR333]

there’s even nothing to discuss and the title of the title is a provocative banal debtor under the law the property was detained; the crew will be released as formalities decide it is like everywhere! the main thing is to catch the bastard of the owner of the vessel and shake all the way like a pinocchio to leave only socks and let it go on all four sides!

[senima56]

I do not understand .... And where is the "union" ?! Arresting a vessel for debt is a common practice. As they say, "These are two big differences!"

[Adimius38]

Well, how do you like? nachody and calmly walk on the sea further? Yes, not nice, I agree. But why should the Turks forgive debtors? first, let them understand in Russia, as the former debtor, having a debt of half a million dollars, calmly sold the ship to another owner, and the ship itself was seized. Here he is a Russian corruption mess.

[Normal ok]

On August 16, according to a report (RIA Novosti), a Streamline cargo ship with a Russian crew of 11 people was arrested in an Istanbul port.

Urgently block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles. Send motorcycles with machine guns. Hooray, Hooray, Hooray ...

[Brylevsky]

Quote: Shurik70

why is the crew arrested with the ship?

Not quite so ... The ship’s crew is not being arrested. The ship itself is arrested as property. In theory, a respectable shipowner after that should buy airline tickets for the entire crew, reserve hotel rooms, arrange formalities with the port authorities (customs and border guards) ... and send them all home. But ... if the shipowner is a fraudster, then the situation is significantly complicated. It all comes down to money. All this: port and agent formalities, tickets, a hotel, cost money, and not small. The crew, as a rule, does not have that kind of money ... There is still a question with visas. Some countries require that seafarers have their visas upon arrival / departure, some do not ... I don’t know about Turkey, but in the USA, for example, if a crew member does not have a C1 / D valid visa in his passport, then neither they’ll not let him out of the country ... well, only if, under police escort, to the nearest airport. And only with the guarantee / assistance of a local agent of the shipowner. And the agent costs money ... But there is no money. The circle closes.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Brylevsky

But ... if the shipowner is a fraud, the situation is significantly complicated. Everything depends on the money. All this: port and agency formalities, tickets, hotel, cost money, and not small. The crew, as a rule, has no such money ..

Well, excuse me, this is nonsense, with sea salaries, then not having a few hundred dollars in your pocket? do not tell tales! And we are talking about BEZVIZOVUYA for Russians Turkey, a ticket from the capital of which in the Russian Federation is very inexpensive. The ship is possible and normal, that was arrested (but before that, how did you go?), But here it is the unprincipled restriction of crew freedom from the authorities.