Rosoboronexport launches Octopus-SDM1 to the global arms market

Russia decided to introduce the Sprut-SDM1 self-propelled anti-tank gun to the world arms market. The state-owned company Rosoboronexport will promote the Russian military vehicle, some states of Southeast Asia have already shown interest in technology, the company said.

The press service of Rosoboronexport said that the self-propelled anti-tank gun "Octopus-SDM1" is the only one in its class light floating combat vehicle, which has the firepower of the main tank. Equipment can land from ships and work at any time of the day in an area impassable for other equipment. Great interest in this combat vehicle is expected from the countries of Southeast Asia, and some states are already interested in the possibility of acquiring BM.

The Russian combat vehicle Sprut-SDM1 "is armed with an 125-mm cannon, capable of using anti-tank guided weapons at a distance of 5000 m, an 7,62-mm machine gun and an 7,62-mm machine gun mounted on it with a remote control. units, the fight against armored vehicles, the destruction of enemy strongholds and defensive installations, the conduct of military reconnaissance and military escort.The modernized Sprut-SDM1 is unified in units and units with combat vehicle BMD-4M.

Earlier, Rosoboronexport announced the launch of the newest short-range anti-aircraft missile system Tor-E2 to the world arms market.

Comments

[Proton]

In, they developed and for his cordon, all the Almaty and Kurgan people also come to the market to us they are worthless, dear.

[Bar1]

everything is for sale, but how many such cars are in RA?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Bar1

how many such cars in RA?

36 at the old base, but, oddly enough, with a higher level of booking.

Quote: Bar1

all for sale

What's the problem? Octopus in the configuration that is now available will not replace the main battle tank in the field. On the other hand, if it is exported in a good batch, then the plant will make a profit, and the "children's sores" will be healed on army vehicles.

[Nikolai]

Quote: Blackgrifon

On the other hand, if he goes for export in a good batch, then the plant will profit,

Everything is correct, plus, as a rule, they do not give up breakthrough technologies for export, or they worsen performance ...

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Nikolai Nikolaevich

breakthrough technologies are not given back, well, or worsen performance ...

Of course :) Another thing is that there is nothing fundamentally breakthrough in the Octopus - a good light tank, sharpened to fight armored vehicles. Not as versatile as BMP-3 or BMD-4M, but very "toothy".

[igorbrsv]

Plus export is that there is the possibility of mass production and cost reduction

[avdkrd]

Quote: Blackgrifon

good light tank, sharpened to combat armored vehicles.

It will be a good light tank if you provide a hinged (modular) reservation. It’s a mystery to me why this is not done. Most potential buyers are attracted to air mobility - seaworthiness BM with a tank gun, but still they understand that this machine will be used as an ersatz tank. At the moment, Octopus is not a light tank, but a tank destroyer, with very modest tactical capabilities in combined arms combat.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Blackgrifon

good light tank

rather anti-tank self-propelled guns

[Zaurbek]

What are the breakthrough technologies in Octopus ?, can only BIUS for the exchange of information and all.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Zaurbek

can only beus for information exchange

almost every foreign device is worth it. There is nothing secret or breakthrough there. Normal Normal Level

[Sands Careers General]

Nice car with a powerful gun. That's just no protection, made it as easy as possible.

[maykl8]

Quote: Sands Career General

Nice car with a powerful gun. That's just no protection, made it as easy as possible.

And her task is to reach the deployment line once during the combat operations of the division as an anti-tank reserve of the division or brigade to repel the enemy tanks that have broken through. And that's all. Like in the movie "Hot Snow". Now this task is performed by 100-mm MT-12 and 9P149 Shturm-S. Their armor is even sadder. In the US Army, this task is performed by a squadron of helicopter gunships.

[Sands Careers General]

The task of these machines is understandable, only the crew is not protected by anything.

[Genry]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

that's just the crew is not protected by anything.

This is not an assault vehicle.
Her element is ambushes and operations support. Convenient for the suppression of fortified firing points from safe distances or in landscape coverings.

[maykl8]

The task of these machines is understandable, only the crew is not protected by anything.

Those vehicles in which the crew is protected are called tanks. Their task is to crack the enemy’s defense at a distance of 200m from the explosions of their shells. And the task of the Octopus-SDM1 crew is to sit in the area of ​​concentration at a distance of 5-10 km from the front edge and wait for the enemy to break through. And if the enemy breaks through, then very quickly (faster than a tank) you need to move to the deployment line and turn around at the 5 km line. And then, from a distance of 5 km, destroy enemy tanks that are capable of responding only with 2500m. One veteran of the Great Patriotic War, an anti-tank artilleryman, said that he spent the entire war in the anti-tank reserve and went to the border only four times, each time after the battle the division was completely reorganized due to actual destruction. And if you want armor it’s easier to assign a tank company to the anti-tank reserve, but this is not practical

[Sands Careers General]

Yeah, I saw this light technique torn to shreds. The sight is not pleasant.

So the crew of such a machine should not be salabons, only from training, but professionals to the bone.

[maykl8]

So the crew of such a machine should not be salabons, only from training, but professionals to the bone.

Human language: past combat training program for ground artillery units. 2-3 months.

[VO3A]

In a modern war, no one hacks anything ... But tanks are already in the 3rd echelon. Papuans do not count ...
If you try to hack, they will be destroyed, without even seeing who did it ....

[maykl8]

In a modern war, no one hacks anything ... But tanks are already in the 3rd echelon. Papuans do not count ...
If you try to hack, they will be destroyed, without even seeing who did it ....

That is, the 1st Tank Shock Army (2 tank divisions, 2 combined arms) recreated in the Russian Federation on the border with "CeEurope" is intended for the reconstruction of historical battles of WWII?
You still write that Ukraine is at war with Russia and saves the entire civilized world!
In the Debaltsev operation, the tanks even broke through the defenses.

[Zaurbek]

In the US Army in general since the Second World War, the standards for fighting tanks are slightly different and the number of helicopters in the army is different. But there are also AT guns and ATGMs. Octopus is a self-propelled PT gun with an FCS, replacement of the MTLB + MT-12 bunch, adjusted for 125mm FCM caliber. The main problem when shooting at a tank is your first shot, after the second missed hit, the command: "Take cover"!
Although I don’t quite understand the advantage of the Octopus over, say, the ATGM Cornet on the BMD-4/3 chassis.

[maykl8]

In the US Army in general since the Second World War, the standards for fighting tanks are slightly different and the number of helicopters in the army is different. But there are also AT guns and ATGMs. Although I do not quite understand the advantage of the Octopus over, say, the Kornet ATGM on the BMD-4/3 chassis. - self-propelled PT gun with FCS, replacement of MTLB + MT-12 bunch, adjusted for 125mm FCM caliber. The main problem when shooting at a tank is your first shot, after the second missed hit, the command: "Take cover"!

In the US Army, anti-aircraft guns are only on tanks and can still be used on A-10 attack aircraft.

Although I don’t quite understand the advantage of the Octopus over, say, the ATGM Cornet on the BMD-4/3 chassis.

The best tool in the fight against tanks (in the USA and the Russian Federation) is a sub-caliber projectile with an initial speed of 2 km / s. But it is advisable from 2700 km. ATGM has a long range and significant penetration, but is vulnerable to interference, long flight time, vulnerability to fragments.
"Octopus" can fire both missiles at long range and shells at medium and short range.
It can even fire from a closed firing position.

[Zaurbek]

Who has 2 km / s?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: maykl8

Although I don’t quite understand the advantage of the Octopus over, say, the ATGM Cornet on the BMD-4/3 chassis. - self-propelled anti-tank gun

What are the advantages of BOPS over ATGM? Here are the same ones. The price, non-susceptibility to interference (the projectile is "stupid", it is up to the star of interference), it is practically impossible to intercept the KAZ, and various things such as DZ and combined armor act on it worse than on the cumulative. And the flight time is short. There are a lot of merits. The only thing is that it is difficult to shoot at long distances. Up to 2 km - BOPS unrivaled

[Grigory_45]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

That's just no protection, made it as easy as possible

otherwise I would not have kept afloat. And landing would be a problem. The same machines for the Airborne Forces were made

[Blackgrifon]

It is only a pity that its direct competitor in the market - the Chinese export light tank - has a higher level of survivability and security. Here, if they put on the export and serial model of the octopus KOEP (the same Curtain) ...

[bmv04636]

and can swim ah? and land

[Blackgrifon]

No, but who of the potential customers (except India, which really wants a floating tank, and Indonesia, which has already met its needs), needs an airborne and floating light tank?

[abc_alex]

Vietnam uses PT-76 with great pleasure. I think the Octopus is a great replacement for this car.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Here, if they put on the export and serial model of the octopus KOEP (the same Curtain)

The curtain was removed from almost all tanks. Probably. because it is already ineffective

[KVU-NSVD]

The Indonesians would go to live with their thousand islands. A good device, though the armor is rather weak, but amphibious tanks with a cannon from MBT are such ... the price of buoyancy. Interestingly, but at the request of the client, you can stick AZ into it?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

and at the request of the client in it you can stick AZ?

apparently, it was not printed, and you need to read KAZ? So they put "Arena" on the BMP, what interferes with the "Sprut"? Nothing gets in the way. Only one question: where is that "Arena" now ...

[BeltovVP]

It seems to me nothing so apparatus. The Poles won the Patriot on the parade did not start, it’s really really funny, they are invested and invested, but no technique anyway

[Yujanin]

interest in technology has already shown some states of Southeast Asia

India probably.

[marshes]

Quote: Yujanin

India probably.

This is not South Asia.
Thai, Malaysia Indonesia and Cambodia, Vietnam. t TD,
Hindus for normal iron.

[Zaurbek]

Old clients on PT-76

[san4es]

In addition to the PKTM machine gun coaxial with the cannon, there is another such machine gun in a remotely controlled installation on the tower on a modernized machine. Thus, the commander of the machine was able to independently hit the identified targets at a time when the main weapons are already being used by the gunner-operator. The total ammunition of machine guns is 2000 rounds.

The developed fire control system 2S25M also has a tank level. It includes the sight of the gunner-operator Sosna-U with television and thermal imaging channels, as well as the panoramic sight of the PKP commander with similar channels. Both sights have the ability to automatically track the target. In case of damage to the main sights, an optical-electronic double sight is used with a vertical stabilized aiming line and autonomous power ....

[Zaurbek]

What prevents such a machine gun to put on the upgraded T-72B3

[Ryazan87]

The same thing that prevented the normal armor curtain from being installed (here in the photo you can clearly see how it should be). And on the T-72B3 just a plate with 4 bolts. As a result, in a combat situation, a tanker should like a monkey on a tower spin under enemy fire. There, all modernization is such that evil takes.

[APASUS]

The infamous trend - everything for sale! Although we do not have this equipment in service and may not have it, it is being sold abroad. What time!

[marshes]

Quote: APASUS

The infamous trend - everything for sale! Although we do not have this equipment in service and may not have it, it is being sold abroad. What time!

And you need the fig, because according to the news of the Airborne Forces, they are mastering the T-72b3.

[Graz]

and who interferes with the sale of two octopus, to make for themselves a profit from the sale of these two third octopus

[Ros 56]

It is good that we have good equipment for export. And when will we need it ourselves, will men be fighting sapper shovels?

[Ryazan87]

"Octopus" is another offspring of the "landing lobby", which breaks through the creation of extremely expensive and it is not clear why the necessary equipment:
- in a local conflict do not apply it, because there is no protection, and there are no goals. not to shoot at jahid mobiles?
- in a hypothetical conflict with a full-fledged enemy - it’s just that the trained infantry with modern anti-tank systems will be much more useful.
Or from the Tiger with the Cornets. Cheaper by an order, but the essence is the same.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Ryazanets87

"Octopus" is another offspring of the "landing lobby"

Well, actually, Octopus is a "product" of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces. The latter required a replacement for non-self-propelled and low-mobility (and not protected) Rapiers.
Out of the whole mass of machines and projects - Octopus-K, Octopus-SV, Octopus-SD - only Octopus-SD reached the series.

Quote: Ryazanets87

in a hypothetical conflict with a full-fledged adversary - it’s just that the trained infantry with modern anti-tank systems will have an order of magnitude greater benefit

Just in the case of a full-fledged conflict at the level of "great power against another great power or regional power" and in the conditions of the use of artillery, mortars, smoke, etc. Octopus is preferable to ATGM: the crew is not afraid of fragments, does not lose so much in capabilities in poor visibility, has high mobility and large ammunition.

The real minus of the Octopus is the lack of protective equipment on us (DZ blocks and / or KOEP).

[Ryazan87]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Well, actually, Octopus is a "product" of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces.

It is in the Moscow region that the "landing lobby" is very strong. Even Comrade Margelov did not hesitate to pull the blanket over himself, and now it is just the climax. The number of the Airborne Forces is incomparable with the capabilities of transport aviation, the development of airborne armored vehicles continues (another dream of reason and a very expensive dream) and so on. Compare with the Marines - those are just stepsons against the background of the "great landing", and will not yield, by the way, in terms of training.

Quote: Blackgrifon

replacement of non-self-propelled and non-mobile (and not protected) Rapiers.

Of course, in order to replace the anti-tank gun of the 60s, a floating anti-tank self-propelled gun with cardboard armor is urgently needed. And also "Chrysanthemum", "Terminator" and God knows what else.

Quote: Blackgrifon

Yes, in terms of the use of artillery, mortars, smoke, etc. Octopus is preferable to ATGM:

I'm not sure: the battles of modern warfare take place in an urbanized area, there the Octopus has nothing to do with words at all. As well as in the mountainous and wooded. They will burn this "barn" instantly.
This is real, speaking the language of the ancestors, "a young ... th Ferdinand."

As for mobility - for example, the "Tiger" with booking and "Cornets" will be much more mobile, easier to camouflage and most importantly, cheaper by an order of magnitude.

[Zaurbek]

There is a concept - airmobile forces ... and light equipment is needed for transporting the (fast) IL-76, and this is the technique that is selected according to its mass and maximum capabilities. The tank weighs 50 tons and moving them quickly to another region is a problem. And the task of such forces is to act in the rear or to defend some area before the approach of the main forces, and not to attack the fortified area of ​​NATO forces and not to seize the village.

[Ryazan87]

Quote: Zaurbek

And the task of such forces is to act in the rear or to defend some sector until the main forces approach

That's it. For this, the Octopuses are not needed from the word at all.
Additionally,
Russian Airborne For 2018:
4 airborne and airborne assault divisions;
4 air assault brigades;
+ 45th brigade.
Compare with the existing BTA and draw conclusions.

[Zaurbek]

Do they have a 125mm gun or will you transfer 50t tanks by airplanes?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Ryazanets87

Compare with the Marines - those are just stepsons against the background of the "great landing", and will not yield, by the way, in terms of training.

Unfortunately yes. Marines were cut in the 90s. As a result, neither the promised BMP-3, nor ship upgrades. Well, at least the BTR-82A was given.

Quote: Ryazanets87

replace the anti-tank gun of the 60s, now we urgently need a floating anti-tank self-propelled gun with cardboard armor.

That's exactly why the octopus was developed in 4 (sic!) Versions: Octopus-K (wheeled tank), Octopus-B (towed gun), Octopus-SV (light tank for the SV and Marines), Octopus-SD (For the airborne )
Nobody removed rapiers from weapons and they are still in military units.

Quote: Ryazanets87

occur in an urbanized area, where the Octopus has nothing to do with the word at all. As well as in the mountainous and wooded. They will burn this "barn" instantly.

Yes and no. In terms of versatility, the Sprut is much inferior to the BMP-3 and BMD-4M. If it had a DZ and / or KOEP, there would be no problems with this machine, but this is exactly what a self-propelled "PT-gun".

Quote: Ryazanets87

As for mobility - for example, the "Tiger" with booking and "Cornets" will be much more mobile, easier to camouflage and most importantly, cheaper by an order of magnitude.

Not cheaper:
- the cost of a shot from a gun / gun is several times cheaper than an ATGM;
- training for a tower is cheaper than training for calculating anti-tank systems;
- modern protection systems - dynamic protection, active defense complexes, complexes of optoelectronic countermeasures - are almost completely geared towards countering the missile threat and are few that can oppose a conventional BOPS;
- in conditions of limited visibility, the possibility of hitting equipment (even with 3rd generation ATGMs) is significantly lower than with artillery.
Therefore, neither we, nor the Chinese, nor most of the other countries that have a chance to become a party to the conflict with an equal adversary, no one refuses.

The problem of Octopus is that it is precisely an airborne descent, and not just an aircraft transporting vehicle - this requirement forces it to reduce security and increase its cost. In general, expensive and not to say that it is very effective.

Quote: Ryazanets87

4 airborne and airborne assault divisions;
4 air assault brigades;
+ 45th brigade.
Compare with the existing BTA and draw conclusions.

Fortunately, awareness of the skew in the airborne forces has already reached the top. As a result, out of all this mass, 2 divisions are paratrooper, and the remaining formations are air assault.

[Zaurbek]

- the cost of a shot from a gun / gun is several times cheaper than an ATGM;
- training for a tower is cheaper than training for calculating anti-tank systems;


This is hardly .... the artilleryman is more difficult to prepare and more expensive than the ATGM operator .... the cost of the projectile can also be calculated .... either you hit the apple the first time or not the first time and maybe you didn’t! BOPS on this unit are not new (long), but of the old model.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Zaurbek

to prepare an artilleryman is more difficult and more expensive than an ATGM operator .... the cost of a projectile can also be calculated

Somewhere I came across information that the cost of a modern BOPS for the Russian Armed Forces is about 10-30% of the cost of ATGMs.

And on the account of the BOPSs at Sprut - yes, they write that lead-1/2 will not fit into it, but the old model comes in easily, and they are an order of magnitude more powerful than rapier shots.

[Ryazan87]

For example:
According to Cornet: the cost of a rocket and a launcher is about 30 thousand US dollars (https://topwar.ru/13023-dzhavelin-kornet-i-spayk.html)
Well, I found Mango ZUBK125 shells using 20-mm armor-piercing projectile shells (https://topwar.ru/42932-indiya-zakupila-66-tysyach-rossiyskih-snaryadov-mango.html)
about 6,3 thousand dollars apiece.
Those. A fully loaded anti-tank system or just 5 shells ....

[Blackgrifon]

Thanks for the information.
By the way, given the fact that a missile tank destroyer is also being made on the basis of the BMD-4M, and there have been rumors about an ATGM based on the Typhoon-Airborne Forces, maybe the octopus will not fit into the troops in this form at all - it is too highly specialized machine. Although the replacement of rapiers in the troops will soon become an edge.

[Ryazan87]

Here, by the way: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/3312525.html

[abc_alex]

in a local conflict, do not apply it, because there is no protection, and there are no goals. not to shoot at jahid mobiles?

Shahid mobiles are also made on the basis of BMP. What is not the goal? To set such a machine at a checkpoint to impose concrete blocks from the front and sides to the height of the sides, what's bad? It is just for a local conflict and against homemade goods.

. in a hypothetical conflict with a full-fledged adversary, it’s just that the trained infantry with modern anti-tank systems will have an order of magnitude greater benefit.
Or from the Tiger with the Cornets.

One OFS bursting 10 meters away and the infantry and the Tiger are likely to fail. And the crew will save this car and continue the battle.

[Zaurbek]

What prevents the calculation of Cornet-D from sitting not in the Tiger, but in BMD-4?

[Ryazan87]

Quote: abc_alex

To set such a machine at a checkpoint to impose concrete blocks from the front and sides to the height of the sides, what's bad?

Not bad. But it looks like nailing with a microscope. It was worth it to develop, then to stationary hold and block blocks. From Zushka to Toyota to the point, sorry, there will be more.

Quote: abc_alex

One OFS bursting 10 meters away and the infantry and the Tiger are likely to fail.

Well, if infantry is built in the open field in the manner of Borodin, then yes. But in reality, we look at Syria. Full-fledged tanks could not cope there.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: abc_alex

concrete blocks from the front and sides to the height of the sides

Poorly. This is not BMD / BMP, which, due to the art machine, can create a whole sea of ​​fire and fragments over a long distance. As a result, the Octopus due to the lower rate of fire will be even more vulnerable at the checkpoint than the BBM. And the ammunition for thirty is not so often and quickly explodes when a car is damaged, like here.

[Hog]

IMHO, and an additional reservation kit, as on the BMD-4M as an option.

[Berkut24]

Third world countries will like the Octopus as an inexpensive light tank. Especially if the area is in swamps, jungles or islands.

[Ryazan87]

Here is the real situation:
Philippines (island state, more than half of the territory is tropical rainforests), Maravi, May-October 2017. Guess what the local army is facing?
https://gyazo.com/019da0495a9172452239002cd0ecbdf6

[Zaurbek]

drunkenness and profligacy?

[Ryazan87]

No, poor protection of existing armored vehicles. It came down to boards and bags (which was the case in Syria, by the way).

[cordon332]

All is correct. In Armenia, this machine is unlikely to find application in connection with the appearance of more advanced models, and the very thing is to drive opponents of the authorities through the jungle and islands. Development was a little late, but development costs must be recaptured, at least by selling a certain amount abroad.

[EvilLion]

Given that even the Airborne Forces do not show much interest, but acquire tanks, the sale of at least 1 units is unlikely. Foreign counterparts in recent years 30 about the same.