Military Review

Myths and facts about the tragedy of "Superjet"

78

The Russian aircraft Sukhoi SuperJet-100, which made a demonstration flight over Indonesia, in the morning of May 9 disappeared from radar screens. Only the next day, May 10, its fragments were found by a search and rescue team in the area of ​​Mount Salak. On board the aircraft were 45 people, 8 of them - the Russians.

About the emergency with Superjet-100, blogger Sergey Dolya, who was in Jakarta as part of the Sukhoi delegation, was the first to tell on his Twitter account.

Shortly before the Superjet-100 disappeared from the radar, the liner commander requested permission to lower from a height of 10 thousands of feet (about 3 kilometers) to 6 thousands (about 1,8 kilometers). Permission he received, began to perform a U-turn and decline. Soon the connection with the board was interrupted. There was enough fuel on board for another two hours of flight, while the demonstration was calculated for half an hour, not more.

Nineteen hours of search gave the first result - small fragments of an aircraft were found on the slope of Mount Salak in the western part of the Indonesian island of Java. Rescue services arrived at the scene, the search began for the wreckage of the airliner, the bodies of the dead and, of course, flight recorders - the most important informants of what happened.

To clarify the circumstances of the incident, representatives of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS), as well as EMERCOM employees flew from Moscow to Jakarta.

On May 16, the aircraft SSJ100 cockpit voice recorder (CVR) was found and delivered to the Jakarta laboratory, board # 97004 (board # 97005 was previously replaced during demonstrations in Pakistan). In the presence of representatives of the Investigation Agency aviation The Ministry of Transport of Indonesia (KNKT) and a Russian team of experts in the laboratory opened the black box. A decision was made to remove information from the flight recorder based on KNKT in Indonesia. The Russian side provided the necessary hardware and software.

There are different versions of the causes of the Superjet-100 plane crash - from traditional (technical failure, weather conditions, pilot or controller error) to non-standard (terrorist attack, abduction of the liner). The latest version was probably put forward because the liner passed all possible checks before departure, and the emergency beacon did not send any signals on board.

One of the arguments in favor of the "non-standard" version may be information according to which, shortly before the crash, the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft deviated from the intended route. This information was provided by the company Angusa Pura, which manages air traffic control, with air traffic controllers who coordinated the Superjet’s flight. According to the company, the airliner made a circle over the airbase of Atang Sanjava, located in 12 km from Mount Salak, then deviated from the flight route and after a while disappeared from the radar.

However, it seems suspicious that even at the initial stage of investigating the causes of the catastrophe, the Angasa Pura company immediately “started up such juice” for the media. Meanwhile, it was the Angusa Pure dispatchers who gave the pilots of the Russian airliner permission for a critical descent just a few seconds before the collision with Mount Salak. It is logical to assume that the company is trying to divert the attention of journalists from the version associated with the error of the air traffic controller.

In turn, First Vice-Speaker of the Federation Council of Russia Alexander Torshin put forward another version of what happened. He said that the cause of the disaster of the Russian airliner Sukhoi Superjet-100 in the mountains of Indonesia could be tough competition in the aviation market, so the likelihood of a terrorist attack cannot be ruled out.

"According to the information that goes through the media and on the Internet, this catastrophe raises many questions, and I think it is necessary to investigate all possible versions, including the terrorist act," Torshin said, adding that it was initially wrong to consider as the main versions technical failure and crew error. When all statements are inclined to believe that a mistake was made, it is very alarming, "- said the speaker. He believes that "this version is quite convenient, including for the Indonesian authorities." Emphasizing the fact that there is a very tough competition in the modern aviation market, Torshin believes that in this situation, “the question arises in its full height - to whom it is profitable.”

Indeed, the Superjet 100 has aroused great interest in the countries of the region, where air travel is booming. This is largely due to the fact that, according to Sukhoi, the fuel consumption of the Superjet 100 is on average 10% less than that of machines of a similar type. Another significant advantage of the car is that in conditions where not all airports in Southeast Asia are designed to receive liners like A-380 or large Boeing, the Russian Superjet 100 is well suited for use at existing airports. And, of course, the price. The development of Sukhoi as a whole is 8-10% cheaper than its competitors. And if we add to all such advantages of Russian aircraft, such as the recognized reliability, ease of operation and the presence of a developed system of technical services, then it becomes obvious that it is quite difficult for competitors to carry on with the Superjet.

It is worth noting that this airliner was previously recognized by experts "to meet all international standards in the field of civil aviation." The aircraft is certified by the Interstate Aviation Committee and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). Simply put, the Superjet 100 passed all the necessary checks according to international standards and was recognized as technically sound.

For the image of the Superjet and the "Dry" incident in Indonesia, of course, will not pass unnoticed. Therefore, most likely, not to avoid various speculations on this subject, first of all, from competitors. However, one should not forget that this is not the first case of a crash during the demonstration of airliners that have gained popularity in the future. In any case, the commercial fate of the Superjet in the region will be decided only after the end of the investigation, which, according to preliminary data, may take up to a year.

The first and second pilots Alexander Yablontsev and Alexander Kochetkov, the navigator Oleg Shvetsov, engineers Alexey Kirkin and Denis Rakhimov, as well as employees of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS) - head of the flight test center were among the Russians aboard SSJ-100. GSS complex Nikolay Martyshchenko, GSS sales director Evgeny Grebenshchikov and contract manager Christina Kurzhukova. Their bodies were found and delivered for burial to their homeland.

100 arrived in Jakarta Superjet 9 in May as part of a presentation tour of Asia, during which the Sukhoi leadership introduced representatives of the Asian market to the Russian development. Before Indonesia, the plane traveled to Myanmar, Pakistan and Kazakhstan, and after Indonesia, the airliner was supposed to fly to Laos and Vietnam.
Author:
Originator:
http://peacekeeper.ru
78 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 19 May 2012 11: 14
    +19
    Let us honor those who died! crying
    1. domokl
      domokl 19 May 2012 11: 43
      +7
      I agree ... People need to be honored and investigated to make it clear what and how ... I’m afraid that the first option will be the result of a pilot error and lack of experience in difficult conditions in unfamiliar areas ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 12: 09
      +17
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Let us honor those who died!


      May 17 was 9 days ........ honored ..... remembered .......

      The aircraft commander Alexander Nikolayevich Yablontsev, behind his back (behind his right shoulder in a white shirt) Alexei Kirkin, flight engineer.



      Alexander Kochetkov, co-pilot.



      Denis Rakhimov, Lead Test Engineer



      Oleg Shvetsov, navigator. In the center.



      Evgeny Grebenshchikov and Kristina Kurzhupova



      Nikolay Martyschenko, Deputy Head of the Test Center of JSC "Sukhoi Civil Aircraft". Left in the photo.



      LAST photo before taxiing ......



      The eternal memory of the dead ..... Rest in peace .... Lived in heaven, and remained there .....
      1. oiuy
        oiuy 19 May 2012 12: 40
        -1
        Here's a link for you - read and enjoy:
        http://rospres.com/corruption/10315/
        For those who can’t get rid of the constant wearing of pink glasses, the Ruspres website will help good
        1. makarich26
          makarich26 19 May 2012 13: 10
          +1
          Awful article. Is it really that bad?
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 May 2012 15: 17
            +5
            Quote: makarich26
            Awful article.


            And when something that is actually was not so ???


            Quote: makarich26
            Is it really that bad?


            But this, unfortunately, is not decided by us, but by ......
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 19 May 2012 14: 04
          +2
          Quote: oiuy
          For those who can’t get rid of the constant wearing of pink glasses, the Ruspres website will help
          - In part, we can agree with some statements in this article, alas. sad The more I read, the more there is still evidence that with the Superjet not everything is as smooth as they paint. And the flight attendant is the one who is "humanly" afraid (really, what did you become a flight attendant if you were afraid to fly?), And a number of other articles, including this one.
          It is necessary to thoroughly investigate the causes of the disaster, to put together all the claims from all who had experience in operating this aircraft, to gather courage and acknowledge these shortcomings. THEN RECALL AND REMOVE! Dry is not the first, and global companies, I often hear, recall their products and suffer losses. Toyota has had this several times.
          Of course, the TU-334 should also not be written off - I don’t understand why, as a result of competition, moreover, unfair competition should there be only one aircraft left? Why such a knockout fight? The market is capacious enough, there is enough space for flights for everyone. Even Antonov - I don’t remember, there is another passenger plane, in my opinion, it also flies in Aeroflot. And life and exploitation experience will reveal the strongest - that is how to live.
          And based on the results of the disaster, it is necessary to draw conclusions not only on the technical side, but also on how it happened that, despite the alarming signals, the Superjets nevertheless decided to promote it into operation. Is there a corruption component in the basis of such a decision? If there is, very far-reaching conclusions are needed. Aviation, especially passenger aviation, is far from the industry where this can be tolerated. Note, the rotting of the industry in this part began with the arrival there of Berezovsky and a member of the FAMILY Okulov - I don't remember who he is there for EBNu. Son-in-law? Consequently, everyone who came to this industry precisely during the period of management of these comrades must be knocked out. I understand, radically, I understand, with dirty water we can throw out the child - but only this way !!!! Corruption must be eliminated with a hot iron. And to hell with him, "with a child" - a new people. Just take the list and ask from the industry. And recruit new ones, after careful selection, including even a lie detector test. If there are not enough professionals, you can also invite from the foreign market. In Kazakhstan, with a shortage of pilots, they do this. Even two Negro ship commanders operate. It's funny - a black man meets you at the entrance, sees you off at the exit, a smile on all 32 teeth, speaks with the same accent as that singer, "I am a chocolate hare, a yelky bastard!" But they know how to fly. But it seems to me that Russia has enough of its own pros, the main thing is to ensure thoroughness and impartiality.
          1. VAF
            VAF 19 May 2012 17: 01
            +4
            Quote: aksakal
            with Superjet, not everything is as smooth as they paint.


            Unfortunately, this is not only true with the Super Jet. and in all areas of our industry, science, economy ....

            In any country in the world (!) At least they would suspend further operation such as an airplane, until the cause of the crash was clarified, or at least they would conduct targeted inspections for ..... etc.

            And with us .... everything is fine ... and "life" continues .....

            GSS CJSC and Aeroflot Airlines signed the Acceptance Certificate for the SSJ100 MSN 95014

            May 17, 2012, Moscow - Upon completion of ground and flight inspections in accordance with the Technical Acceptance Program, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft CJSC and Aeroflot Russian Airlines OJSC signed the Acceptance Certificate of the eighth Sukhoi Superjet 100 MSN 95014 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

            The liner is named after the honored Aeroflot pilot Eugene Barabash and received tail number RA-89006.

            In accordance with a document signed by both parties, the aircraft is handed over to Aeroflot Airlines with a full set of operational documentation and aircraft assets.

            The liner also meets the declared flight performance, is technically sound, ready for flight operation and commercial flights on domestic and international routes according to the Aeroflot schedule.

            Flight SSJ100 MSN 95014 from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Moscow (Sheremetyevo) is scheduled for May 23.
        3. VAF
          VAF 19 May 2012 15: 37
          +4
          Quote: oiuy
          read and enjoy


          A normal article, almost repeating "Superjetism" ("branded" on this site in discussions).

          There are many "flaws", purely technical, but in fact the thoughts are correct ...

          Noah already said that this is a consequence, but the reasons for this tragedy ... because iron is iron (electronics, etc.) and be super new. Repaired, restored, modernized, it has a tendency to failures and in addition to sudden failures, and usually ... at a very inopportune moment !!!


          Well, for clarity, the photo screen of the MFI system TAWS.

          Even if the system fails, an acoustic and light alarm is issued indicating a dangerous approach to the ground, dangerously low altitude and a climb command !!!

          The instructions categorically indicate that immediately go to climb or in the horizontal plane (depending on the terrain), but not in any case down !!!

          1. aksakal
            aksakal 19 May 2012 16: 58
            -1
            Quote: veteran.air force
            A normal article, almost repeating "Superjetism" ("branded" on this site in discussions).
            - Nothing of the kind, re-read the article by this Krupnov.
            By the way, just recently, right after this article, I managed to see Krupnov at Gordon's ("Citizen Gordon") in a program devoted to space exploration. Maybe who was watching? There were cosmonauts, Popovkin, and this Krupnov. All are adequate, discussing the pressing problems of space, namely Krupnov drove nonsense about some kind of exploration of Mars in the near future and other nonsense. I don’t want to be personal, but when such a person begins to influence the aircraft industry in Russia, then excuse me, here you have to be personal, because after such an influence the inadequate will have nothing to correct in the aviation industry.
            And yet you do not need to compare these two articles here. Yes, both are critical, but the level is completely different. In one article, they tried to cite facts, correctly set forth technical points, and in another, they simply coined the term in a negative way and pulled everything negative that was in the aircraft industry, with distortions, or even outright lies.
            1. VAF
              VAF 19 May 2012 17: 46
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              re-read the article of this Krupnov.


              Thanks, it was enough once!

              Quote: aksakal
              - nothing like this


              Under "repetition" everyone sees his own, which is closer to him, so I, for example, saw many of those technical aspects. who are close to me, but who, where. to whom and how much .... forgive me without me!


              Quote: aksakal
              ("Citizen Gordon")


              I do not watch such programs, fire ...!

              Quote: aksakal
              all the negative that is in the aircraft industry


              So positive and so visible in the results, but negative ......!

              Quote: aksakal
              and juggling, and even with outright lies.


              Well, to say so, you have to either be in the "topic" or work directly in the SCAC or ... on the SCAC
              1. 755962
                755962 19 May 2012 22: 22
                +8
                Currently, there are two corporations left in the world that produce serial long- and medium-haul passenger liners: Boeing and Airbus.They They say that they invested so much in the collapse of our aviation industry that we can forget about its revival. In any case, in the foreseeable future. With the current oppression on Russia, the revival of the aviation industry is possible only under the wing of the military. For several reasons, from retaining (relatively civilian aircraft manufacturers) experienced personnel with orders for modernization and resources to work on new projects to banal physical protection for developers and manufacturers.

                Such a symbiosis allowed for a fairly short time to create an excellent aircraft, which is successfully operated in Russia and Armenia. Moreover, neither there nor there, mountains shrouded in fog and clouds are not a cause for disaster.

                But in Indonesia - came!
                Just do not believe me in such a coincidence of the sudden blindness of the aircraft during the promotional tour of Indonesia, which was going to buy a whole batch of these planes! It is interesting that, to enhance the effect, they waited for potential customers to fly.

                And after the disaster, Indonesia said that it would take a year to investigate the causes of the accident! They clearly understand that there is a battle of giants in which it is better not to confront. Therefore, they give the Russian experts the right to be the first to investigate and declare the causes of the accident. Well, ours flew out already promptly - you need to have time to find all the evidence before the Indonesian rescuers trample them. We really need to find the real culprit, although he can be announced to us only through the lips of Zhirinovsky.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 19 May 2012 23: 36
                  +4
                  Quote: 755962
                  We really need to find the real culprit


                  Much Zhenya said very correctly, +! drinks

                  I disagree in many ways, well ......., you yourself understand, but this is on the contrary good. truth is born in a dispute.

                  But I agree with the "extreme" phrase by 1000%. because if I (in the past) already in the "extreme" case "could change to a parachute", then the civilian guys, unfortunately, cannot, even theoretically ...

                  But the plane is designed to carry passengers, so everything should be in this disaster to .... molecules !!!

                  Having sent infa that the "speech speaker" is in normal functionality, the quality of negotiations is very clear, now there is a time and place binding ...

                  This is already pleasing, let’s hope that something concrete will become clear ....

                  A parametric has not yet been found ... ????
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 19 May 2012 23: 41
                    +4
                    Dear Sergey!
                    Did you personally know the pilots?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 19 May 2012 23: 53
                      +10
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Did you personally know the pilots?


                      Dear Alikbek .... yes ... I knew .... Sasha Yablontseva was well, but I was familiar with Sasha Kochetkov ......

                      Cool men were .... and the pilots are the same cool .... were ......

                      Land they rest in peace ...... It is impossible to forget, to return ...... impossible .......



                      Eternal memory to them ..... God grant strength to the family and friends to survive this ........
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 20 May 2012 00: 04
                        +6
                        * Land they rest in peace ...... It is impossible to forget, to return ...... impossible ... *
                        The last two words burn the heart.
                        when I lost loved ones and friends, I thought about what we would be talking about if there had been no tragedy and wished that I had talked to them!
  2. older
    older 19 May 2012 11: 14
    -10
    Hurry up. You make people laugh .... What smart guy sent the plane on an experimental flight? Now Sukhoi’s losses will be billions, not millions ... In any situation, the plane crashed, which means half that a clean bluff was announced ...
    1. Redpartyzan
      Redpartyzan 19 May 2012 11: 28
      +3
      Wait a moment. We will wait for the results of the investigation. The more articles on this subject, the more versions. It is necessary to properly understand.
      1. older
        older 19 May 2012 11: 37
        +2
        Only facts - The plane is equipped with the LATEST electronic, including navigation equipment (developers' statements), but it turns out that this technique did not work at all or worked very badly .. Can this be explained and it is not clear where the crewman-navigator came from? aircraft of this type of such a position ...
        It is clear that the whole investigation will come down to a simple conclusion, the crew’s mistake ... Well, the lack of experience of flying in difficult conditions ... The throw-in is very powerful regarding the terrain, there have been killed a dozen aircraft over the past 10 years ...
        1. Svistoplyaskov
          Svistoplyaskov 19 May 2012 11: 45
          +2
          And in general - the "Superjet" has been flying at Armavia for several years and seems to be without breakdowns! Pah pah pah, so as not to jinx it!
          1. Dust
            Dust 19 May 2012 13: 56
            +1
            How is it without breakdowns? There have been no wrecks, thank God, but otherwise it is far from safe ...
          2. VAF
            VAF 19 May 2012 17: 48
            +4
            Quote: Whistling
            Over at Armavia, the Superjet has been flying for years and seems to have no breakdowns!


            Firstly, you do not know about it!

            And secondly, do you know on what conditions the plane was handed over to the Armenians ???
            1. Svistoplyaskov
              Svistoplyaskov 19 May 2012 20: 32
              +1
              Quote: veteran.air force
              And secondly, do you know on what conditions the plane was handed over to the Armenians ???

              Enlighten please, if it is not difficult for you!
              1. VAF
                VAF 19 May 2012 23: 47
                +5
                quote = Whistling] if it’s not difficult for you! [/ quote]

                Absolutely not - on a lease basis. which is very beneficial to the buyer (operator), because having a need and a large transportation market, getting a ready-made plane, and even on dry leasing, is just a magical gift!

                Well, for the manufacturer ...... if you take into account the fact that how much is invested in this plane, count it yourself .....

                [quote = Whistling] Enlighten please, [/ quote]

                More specifically, sorry, I can’t ...... trade secret! +!
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 20 May 2012 18: 03
                +1
                http://zyalt.livejournal.com/440891.html#cutid1

                Varlamov flew here on the superjet serial. See how the plane looks from the inside - immediately a lot of questions will disappear
        2. Columnist
          Columnist 19 May 2012 13: 47
          +1
          Navigator! Ever since the time of the An-72, it’s also without a navigator, but navigational science is hard for our pilots, so the An-74 airplane appeared with the workplace of the navigator in the crew. Do not be surprised!
      2. VAF
        VAF 19 May 2012 12: 31
        +4
        Quote: Redpartyzan
        Wait a moment.


        We stand, wait ... I don’t understand anything .... everything is secretive ... dosed ...


        Quote: Redpartyzan
        We will wait for the results of the investigation.


        Is there any certainty that the true causes of the disaster will be voiced ????


        Quote: Redpartyzan
        It is necessary to properly understand.


        And who will do it? MINTORG RF ?????? And where is IAC ????

        Here, read who heads the commission for the investigation of the disaster and its track record and position (everything is clear without words):

        Nothing personal, just the facts ......: !!!!

        Slyusar Yuri Borisovich
        Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation

        Biography

        Date of Birth: 20.07.1974, the

        He graduated in 1996 from Moscow State University. M.V. Lomonosov. Specialty by education, academic degree: lawyer, candidate of economic sciences

        1991 - 1996 - student of Moscow State University. M.V. Lomonosov Moscow

        1996 - 1999 - General Director of LLC Firm UBS, Moscow

        1999 - 2003 - Director. General Director of Monolit-ABK LLC, Moscow

        2003 - 2008 - Commercial Director of ROSTVERTOL OJSC, Rostov-on-Don

        2009 - 2010 - Assistant to the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, Moscow

        2010 - 2012 - Director of the Department of Aviation Industry of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia

        2012 - May 10, 2012 - appointed to the post of Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation



        Well, whose son is it not necessary to voice ... ???
      3. Columnist
        Columnist 19 May 2012 13: 43
        +2
        As an "artist to an artist" for 15 years of such work, I have never once isolated the true information about the causes of the flight accident in the open media.

        And as for everything else - I like the movie "Save the Concorde." "A fairy tale is a lie, and in it a hint is a lesson for good fellows" - folk wisdom
        1. VAF
          VAF 19 May 2012 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: Browser
          As "artist to artist" for 15 years of similar work


          As an "artist-to-artist", you simply did not find "the golden times, when one of the last normal (after Zhukov) Ministry of Defense D.F. Ustinov created the TsIBP of the USSR Armed Forces. +! good

          In 1988, the TsIBP was renamed into the SBP of the USSR Aviation, only the Ministry of Defense was directly subordinate to the Ministry of Defense, the powers were abysmal, the best pilots and engineers, scientists and designers entered, the incidents were "revealed at once", according to the CPN, they were never "erased" and everything was as it was and they wrote, but then .... then Yolkin, the Union collapsed, and all along with it, there appeared OJSC, LLC, CJSC, MEOO, etc. etc. MAC and so on, we said we will do it !!!
          New thinking + reform !!!
    2. Neighbor
      Neighbor 19 May 2012 11: 43
      0
      This is a dark matter. For - billions are masked!
      You can’t - so on the shoulder - blame our electronics, crew.
      There may be many reasons. Starting - from a malfunction of electronics, poor visibility and ending with - BEATED by some kind of laser, they fucked - all the electronics went out of order. measures - and not capable of that.
      And I'm 99,9% sure - without Amer - it could not do here. am
    3. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 11: 45
      +4
      Quote: older
      which means half of what was declared pure bluff ..


      Well, here everything seems to be "beating" - advertising, PR move, etc. etc.

      And here I completely agree with you on all 1000%, +!

      But the answer lies on the surface and is as clear as God's day!




      But again the question arises, why did they make the "Polichenelle secret" from the fact that the spare board 97004 was being prepared ??? After all, this is a normal practice to prepare for shows ???

      But the fact that when landing in Karachi, 97005 had problems with the right engine and Sasha went on one, there was silence about it, but it is understandable why ....



      But here is how then to explain such an explanation of the representatives of the Ministry of Trade:

      97005 was returned from Karachi to Zhukovsky board without any problems and repairs on May 9 for further participation in the flight test program to expand operating conditions.

      And they started reporting this only a few days after the tragedy ???
      1. nnnnnnnnn
        nnnnnnnnn 19 May 2012 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: veteran.air force
        100 arrived in Jakarta Superjet 9 in May as part of a presentation tour of Asia, during which the Sukhoi leadership introduced representatives of the Asian market to the Russian development. Before Indonesia, the plane traveled to Myanmar, Pakistan and Kazakhstan, and after Indonesia, the airliner was supposed to fly to Laos and Vietnam.

        The replacement of the Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ-100) with an identical airliner was made on May 6 in Pakistan due to possible deviations in the operation of one of the engines, a representative of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) told RIA Novosti.
        Initially, for the first SSJ-100 demonstration tour in six Asian countries, given the great length of the tour - more than 15000 kilometers, two aircraft were prepared: with tail number 97005 as the basic version and 97004 as the reserve one. "During the flight from Kazakhstan to Pakistan, an SSJ-100 aircraft with tail number 97005 triggered a notification about the deviation of one of the engine units from the specified operating parameters. All other engine parameters were normal," said the SCAC representative. "Due to the fact that it was planned to carry out demonstration flights with passengers on the plane, it was decided to replace the boards: on May 6, an identical aircraft under the number 97004 arrived in Karachi from Zhukovsky," said a representative of the SCA.
        97005 was returned from Karachi to Zhukovsky board without any problems and repairs on May 9 for further participation in the flight test program to expand operating conditions.
        [img] The replacement of the Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ-100) with an identical airliner was made on May 6 in Pakistan due to possible deviations in the operation of one of the engines, a representative of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (SCA) told RIA Novosti. Initially, for the first demonstration tour of the SSJ-100 in six Asian countries, given the large length of the tour - more than 15000 kilometers, two aircraft were prepared: with tail number 97005 as a basic version and 97004 as a backup. "During the flight from Kazakhstan to Pakistan on the SSJ-100 aircraft with tail number 97005, an indication of the notification about the deviation of one of the engine units from the specified operating parameters was triggered. All other engine parameters were normal," the SCAC representative said. "Due to the fact that it was planned to carry out demonstration flights with passengers on the plane, it was decided to replace the boards: on May 6, an identical aircraft under the number 97004 arrived in Karachi from Zhukovsky," said a representative of the SCA. Back from Karachi to Zhukovsky board 97005 without any problems and repairs was sent on May 9 for further participation in the flight test program to expand the operating conditions. The representative of the SCA stressed that possible malfunctions on board 97005 have nothing to do with the crash of the aircraft number 97004. http://ria.ru/incidents/20120516/650484683.html [/img]



        Look at the PRINT almost laptop and the only mangled recorder!
        Recorders are designed with the expectation of an accident. they must always survive! and here is one! And a laptop with a whole screen and a battered corner! Is it possible?
        1. VAF
          VAF 19 May 2012 14: 50
          +5
          Quote: nnnnnnnnn
          Is it possible?


          "Miracles", of course, do not happen (except for those cases when it is very necessary, but now this is the case !!!), but ...... it may be that the laptop could just lie in the bag and In the explosion, the bag flew to the side and crumpled against the bushes or foliage of trees, so .... this, of course, is strange. but this is not an indicator.

          But your second thought, about the recorder, is absolutely correct, because. not only are they specially designed and protected, so in appearance it is almost intact, except that the platform is slightly bent and sooty, but at the same time "...... there were difficulties with the removal of parameters and decoding", but at the same time "... it was established that there is an" hour of recording of the negotiations of the ekimage "?????
          This is how, and ???
          (I quote the answers of the officials of the Ministry of Trade in quotation marks !!!

          And now for the first part of your comment:

          What the officials "say" I already know almost by heart, and 10 options are essentially the same, but the "technique" of performance is different.

          But especially "striking is the comment" where it is reported "... the indication of the notification about the deviation of one of the engine units from the set operating parameters was triggered. All other engine parameters were normal," said the representative of the SCAC.

          If there is a false alarm, then this is normal, the sensor was replaced and further forward, but already Yu. Slyusar reports that "... just a pipeline break (!!!!), they replaced everything" ????
          Is it so simple ?? In the aviation engine working, in the air a broken pipe ????

          Well, by the way, I posted above, "hto" is this gentleman and whose "relative" he is, so comments, as they say, are unnecessary.

          But with all this, I bring for review a photo of board 97005 at the Jakarta airport !!!
          But how, after all, officialdom said that he went to Moscow through Astrakhan ???
          Then this is "what" ??? And why was it done ???
          Picture "master" - the extreme digit of the number has been cut off, ie. you can see 9700 .. ???
          On the left plane, only the beginning of the number, and on the left wing of the front compartment of the front pillar, number 97005 is clearly visible - and if no one did anything, it would remain a secret that 97005 had problems with the right engine, but what happened happened .....
          Who needed this "INSTALLATION" and why ???
          But unfortunately for these "masters" there are people on the site who notice any little thing and any discrepancy, and so on 97005 on the left and right sides, respectively, after the entrance door to the wing under the tricolor color line under the 5th, 6th, 7th m windows should have a large gray three-digit inscription 211 !!!

          Who sees her somewhere ????



          Therefore, everything that is reported by our officials, in my opinion, should be subjected to a very meticulous analysis, since it is obvious that by all means the official result should be such that the pilots failed (this version has already slipped through, well, that the "mistake" was replaced with "wrong") and aviation technology never, everything is 100% perfect !!!

          Although why exclude possible technical problems with the same engines and on 97004 ????

          And that’s why ....... !!!!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 May 2012 23: 16
            +6
            Dear Sergey!
            Reading your dialogue with nnnn, I remembered one tragedy that happened on November 20, 1991 near the village of Karakend in Nagorno-Karabakh!
            On this day, the Mi-8 helicopter was shot down by Armenian militants with prominent statesmen of Azerbaijan, Russia and Kazakhstan!
            The helicopter killed:
            Asadov, Magomed - Minister of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan;
            Gadzhiev, Zulfi - Deputy Prime Minister;
            Gaibov, Ismet - Attorney General of Azerbaijan;
            Jafarov, Vagif - deputy;
            Huseynzade, Arif - illuminator of AzTV;
            Domov, Gennady Vladimirovich - member of the helicopter crew;
            Zhinkin, Nikolai Vladimirovich - Deputy Commander of the Transcaucasian District of Internal Troops and Military Commandant of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region;
            Ivanov, Sergey Semenovich - Head of the Department of the Ministry of National Security in the NKAR
            Ismailov, Tofig - Secretary of State of Azerbaijan;
            Kotov, Vyacheslav Vladimirovich - major helicopter crew commander;
            Kovalev, Vladimir Vladimirovich - Major General, Head of the Department of Internal Affairs of the NKAR;
            Kocherev, Oleg Nikolaevich - lieutenant colonel;
            Lukashov, Mikhail Dmitrievich - police major general;
            Mamedov, Veli - deputy;
            Mammadov, Rafig - Assistant Secretary of State;
            Mirzoev, Osman - head of the department of the apparatus of the President of Azerbaijan;
            Mustafayev, Aly - TV journalist;
            Namazaliev, Gurban - First Deputy Minister of Land Reclamation and Water Resources of Azerbaijan;
            Plavsky, Igor Alexandrovich - NKAO prosecutor;
            Serikov, Sanlal Dasumovich - Major General, Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan;
            Shakhbazov, Fakhraddin - videographer;
            Yarovenko, Dmitry Borisovich - a member of the helicopter crew.
            in general, there are a lot of dark spots in that story, but what surprised me for a long time was that our side claimed that they would not give the recorders to Moscow (the fact is that people suspected that they would try to hush up the tragedy there), but in the end it was announced that only in Moscow this recorder could unscramble, and then after 3, 4 months later, Russia was informed that, allegedly due to the high temperature during a fire as a result of a helicopter crash, the information in the "black boxes" was damaged to such an extent that it could not be decrypted.! as far as I know that it’s almost impossible and the facts seem to have hidden! Because there were persistent rumors that many passengers were shot on the ground! Many things disappeared-12 pistols disappeared, Azerbaijani television correspondents equipment, valuables of the dead, helicopter devices!
            How do you think?
            1. VAF
              VAF 20 May 2012 00: 01
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              How do you think?


              Dear Alikbek, here I can’t make a definitive conclusion. I learn a lot of circumstances only from your words, by no means calling them into question, God forbid, but more objective and concrete documentary evidence is needed for an objective hearing.

              But the fact that "..... the information in the" black boxes "was damaged to such an extent that it was not possible to decipher it.!" ....

              This is already suggestive and ....... Your thoughts may be absolutely correct, or as we would say "..... have a place to be" !!

              And even more so in those troubled times, when there was dual power and complete misunderstanding in everything !!!
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 20 May 2012 00: 07
                +4
                Dear Sergey!
                I understand that it is impossible to determine without complete information !!
                I meant exactly this line ** ... the information in the "black boxes" was damaged to such an extent that it could not be decrypted.! ". **
                Is it possible ??
                1. VAF
                  VAF 20 May 2012 01: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Is it possible ??


                  Theoretically and practically not (!!!), since in the SBP of the USSR aviation from the "air" that was brought from the crash site, they "collected" a complete and reliable "picture" of what happened (I exaggerate this, but for clarity)!

                  But practically ...... exactly as you meant about this line!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 20 May 2012 18: 11
            0
            Varlamov flew serially on the plane, clicked on the build quality (they also flew air conditioning there).

  3. Igarr
    Igarr 19 May 2012 11: 59
    +5
    What experimental flights are they talking about if
    ".. this airliner was previously recognized by experts as" meeting all world standards in the field of civil aviation. "The aircraft has certificates of the Interstate Aviation Committee and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). Simply put, the Superjet 100 has passed all the necessary checks in accordance with international standards and was recognized as technically sound. "

    Confirmation of permission to lower the height confirmed? Yes.
    Was the weather difficult? Yes.
    So you have to start with the flight control service, with the dispatchers.

    The crew and passengers have already received their. And there is no need to shake their memory.

    And earthly services are to be scratched as it should be.
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: Igarr
      was found to be technically sound.


      You say everything correctly, only "..... is recognized as technically airworthy in ....." and so on.

      But interviews are already being given in full that Sasha allegedly talked to the dispatcher before his last flight and asked if I could turn left, otherwise in the first flight he turned right. was shaking so much ... "????

      But even if the crew requested a reduction, didn’t he request a left turn ???

      What pushed him to it or what happened, but silence about it ......
  4. Nechai
    Nechai 19 May 2012 12: 03
    +5
    Quote: older
    it turns out that this technique did not work at all or worked very badly

    Yeah and on the Superjet, and with the controllers SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH THE SYNCHRONOUS DISTORTION OF THE REAL POSITION of the aircraft ?! In the conditions of a continuous thunderstorm front. Moreover, to create the compelled NEED FOR REDUCTION in this area ...
    But the fact that the comp. Iron needs to be done YOURs is a vital necessity ...
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 19 May 2012 12: 42
      +5
      do.




















      +

      Every sixth mobile phone in the world has microcircuits manufactured at Angstrom.


      in fact, there are a lot of cho

      http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search=%D1%8D%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D1%80%D0%
      BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0&page=1
      1. Born in USSR
        Born in USSR 19 May 2012 14: 44
        0
        thanks for the info
    2. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 35
      +4
      Quote: Nechai
      you need to do YOUR own vital need ...


      So they do and put ... on all our machines there are domestic TAWS, made in St. Petersburg and .. normally "function"!
  5. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 19 May 2012 12: 39
    +2
    Quote: Nechai
    But the fact that the comp. Iron needs to be done YOURs is a vital necessity ...

    I agree to 300%. All the same, sooner or later it will be necessary if we are not going back to the Stone Age. In my opinion, better before.
    Someone somewhere produces, then resellers, business, all garbage comes to production and the price goes off scale.
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 40
      +3
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Anyway, sooner or later you’ll have to,


      Yes, everything has long been invented and done with success!

      On Russian aircraft, the SRPPZ system manufactured by the St. Petersburg company Transas was installed: SRPPZ (TTA-12S).

      But here is another case ..... "about bite off" has not been canceled yet !!!
  6. NUT
    NUT 19 May 2012 12: 46
    0
    The last words of the speech recorder: "Dad, let me steer."
    Airbus A310-304 Flight SU593 22.03.1994/XNUMX/XNUMX

    The last (from the normative vocabulary) words of the auto video recorder: "Dad, let me steer."
    Volkswagen Tiguan mileage 84km. 11.05.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
  7. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 19 May 2012 13: 17
    0
    It is possible that this is the machinations of competitors
  8. Nechai
    Nechai 19 May 2012 13: 20
    +4
    Quote: oiuy
    Here's a link for you - read and enjoy:

    SuperJet-100 is a tombstone for the Russian aviation industry. Sculptors Khristenko and Poghosyan. "MK is certainly a very" authoritative "source. Ever since the perestroika period. But what, I remember. Stanislav Belkovsky is generally a" conscience of the nation. "How he ennobled pidophiles. the last word without the letter "B" is a man-eater.
    "oiuy" - don't rush to bury us,
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    do.

    I understand that every longest path begins with the first steps. But what a shame, damn it! Development on "Elbrus" was leaked, nah .... But besides the military-industrial complex, they were used in household computers with a bang. Hackers would strangle themselves at the impotence and futility of their efforts. I had to communicate with the system unit of video mathing, our development. From "Elbrus" the architecture of iron was applied. Collected in South Korea (in the 90s it was) of course. In terms of capabilities, not a single Western TOS (television video surveillance system) was suitable. Fairy tale!!! Chess word. And from "hacking", kidding brother! Only by handles from his own keyboard, knowing everything that was needed, the parameters and algorithms of the functional could be changed, This is because what kind of money sailed away for a great life from the state, from society. From developers and possible manufacturers, after all !!! The timing just works out. The Elbrus-2000 was drained and soon the West began to produce multi-core processors. And if you also remember a bit already distant past - a processor based on the effect of superconductivity, created in the USSR. What gorby spoke with pompously from the rostrum of the last congress of the Komsomol. / under the prelude, they say that affect is unreliable, everything was consigned to oblivion / Of course, in household computers, it is hardly needed. But in scientific centers, design bureaus, production, PU VS it is simply necessary.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 19 May 2012 16: 22
      +3
      Tests of the Russian Elbrus-S processor completed

      By the decisions of the commissions that accepted the Elbrus-S microcircuit and tested the KPI microcircuit, it was allowed to start production of serial samples of microcircuits and use serial samples to equip weapons and military equipment, as well as information-computing and control systems in the industrial sphere.



      In December 2010, the MCST completed the following: acceptance of the Elbrus-S processor microcircuit, state testing of the microcircuit, state testing of the 4 processor module MV3S / C based on the Elbrus-S microcircuit.
      MV3S / C modules are recommended by the commission for use as computing tools in promising weapons and military equipment. For the Elbrus architecture, Linux is supported on the 2.6.14 kernel in the standard and real-time versions. The glibc 2.7 library and many standard utilities are supported, and there is also a graphical environment based on the Xorg server version 6.9.0 with several window managers. Ported a large set of application programs. Currently, work is underway to support the 2.6.33 kernel and the latest version of Xorg.
      Of the development tools, the following are supported: an in-house optimizing compiler (compatible with gcc 3.4.6) for C, C ++, Fortran, the gdb debugger, and the gprof profiling tool. The compiler supports native and cross compilation modes.

      http://rosrep.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=4422&SECTION_ID=18
      1. snek
        snek 19 May 2012 17: 21
        -1
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        In December 2010, the MCST completed the following: acceptance of the Elbrus-S processor microcircuit, state testing of the microcircuit, state testing of the 4 processor module MV3S / C based on the Elbrus-S microcircuit.

        I read about the processor - an achievement for our microelectronic industry. But we are still very strong. He has a production technology of 90nm - according to the same wiki: "90 nm is a technical process corresponding to the level of semiconductor technology, which was achieved by 2002-2003."
        Already in the world: "22 nm is a technical process corresponding to the level of technology reached by 2009-2012."
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 19 May 2012 19: 28
          +5
          22 nm is very expensive. 75% of the world sits at 90 nm. And if you take into account that for 20 years, roughly speaking, they did nothing, getting into the number 75% is also a result
          1. snek
            snek 19 May 2012 20: 03
            0
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            22 nm is very expensive.

            Well, it’s a little expensive for now, but in a year or so another will be quite acceptable.
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            75% of the world sits at 90 nm.

            Yes, even the far from new Intel Core 2 Duo and Intel Core 2 Quad are 65-45nm. 90nm is, for example, old versions of the 4th Pentium. So it’s you who have bent about 75% of the world.

            By the way, in the states, a factory for the production of 14nm processors is already under construction - http://thg.ru/technews/20120125_175600
            1. alexl85
              alexl85 20 May 2012 13: 03
              +2
              22, 32nm are needed mainly for civil engineering (computers, laptops, tablets, phones). But the 90nm process technology is more resistant to sudden changes in temperature, unpretentious, since contact tracks and connections are at a greater distance from each other. It is used in industrial equipment, on-board electronics, military equipment ...

              This market economy! And yet, even though these P4 are outdated. However, on flea markets and bulletin boards there are still not an estimated number of them (in working order). For offices, it would be possible to assemble fully sane machines. The point is that for that generation on the motherboards south bridges strangely burned (and regardless of the manufacturer). Then came the Core 2 Duo ....
            2. St Petrov
              St Petrov 20 May 2012 15: 15
              +2
              Your suggestions, snek? Call the White House and ask for 14 nm technology?

              And then they actively prevented us from reducing the technological gap, and now if we call, they will smile and give it to us?

              I think this is not a case for criticism, but the achievement of the government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the extraction of technologies (I don’t know how the issue was resolved). After the large-scale collapse of everything and everything in the period from 1991 to ... what a coincidence ... at the beginning of the presidency of the GDP, which stopped this b-in and collapse.

              This is just the beginning of the climb. Although microelectronics already has resolved issues that nobody dreamed of in 2003. (t more precisely, everyone dreamed, but no one could figure out how to solve the issue - I mean the level of government and the transfer of technological solutions)

              Yes, they did not sell us a new one, but I think that in any issue you can go a slightly different way and achieve success on a seemingly outdated platform or technology. For our country is a very relevant moment. There are many precedents.

              So enough to be sad. I have to believe. As you know - the best medicine in seemingly hopeless situations)
  9. Rascopov
    Rascopov 19 May 2012 14: 05
    +6
    The kingdom of heaven to the lost!
    You do not find that someone is always bothering us: submarines are drowning, arsenals are exploding, planes are falling? Can scrutinize themselves more carefully?
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: Rascopov
      Can scrutinize themselves more carefully?


      Completely and completely agree with you only ....... only you need to peer not at yourself but at THEM - "helmsmen and helmsmen", although .... that peer at the result so to speak ... in the face .... !
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 19 May 2012 19: 34
      +1
      Well, you need to find out first - who benefits from it. then think - where to look.
      1. VAF
        VAF 20 May 2012 00: 06
        +2
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        need to find out first - who benefits


        But certainly not for us ?!

        Quote: s-t Petrov
        then think already -


        I have always been taught, and not only me, but in our time, think first, and then do or watch !!!

        And when do you think then ??? I think this is not right, but .... this is my opinion, maybe in your current world, right? recourse
  10. bubla5
    bubla5 19 May 2012 14: 20
    +2
    It’s time to merge the entire manual of the Ministry of Transport
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 44
      +5
      Quote: bubla5
      It’s time to merge the entire manual of the Ministry of Transport


      And not only +! good
  11. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 19 May 2012 14: 49
    +1
    Does anyone know if he flew glonas or gps?
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 16: 45
      +4
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      he flew on glonas or gps


      Die again "spies" from Die Hard and Siege -2 ???

      Nobody reduced the terrain, calm down .... !!!
  12. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 May 2012 17: 16
    +4
    The pilot of the aircraft requested a descent to start landing at the airfield (in 10-20 minutes, this seems to be a common practice). The request was made with the dispatcher. The dispatcher gave the go-ahead, although he knew that the terrain was mountainous, the ship commander hoped for the dispatcher's competence and fully trusted him. Ground proximity warning systems at this speed, when approaching a vertical obstacle, can warn seconds before a collision, there is not enough time for maneuver. The dispatcher's fault is complete! As with the TU 144, the fighter pilot was to blame for La Bourge, but everything was so obvious there and that was hushed up by our corrupt politicians. And then no options. Beat your own so that strangers are afraid, only strangers are only daring, they are not going to be afraid of ours. For the fact that Moskvich used 407 in its name, the French Peugeot tore mad money from the USSR (when sold abroad), and hushed it up with TU 144 without consequences. So here, they will give a paw to this "general director", who became immediately after graduation, and he will sell his mother, not that the prestige of the country and the brand of Sukhoi!
    1. VAF
      VAF 19 May 2012 18: 15
      +5
      Quote: Oleg147741
      The pilot of the plane requested a reduction to start landing


      Wrong, request only for decline!

      Quote: Oleg147741
      (in 10-20 minutes this seems like a common practice)


      Wrong - no time intervals. Only in range - decrease from H large from the turn of 100 km, from H medium from 50 km, with H small, only the connection to the approach to the DPRM

      It is much easier for us (for the military) to have a single RP and its two assistants to the RP of the far zone (navigator) and the near zone (head of the landing system).

      Citizens have everything through ...... outside the aerodrome-dispatcher-track, in the area of ​​the aerodrome-dispatcher-approach, then the dispatcher-circle, then the dispatcher-landing, then the dispatcher taxi (between them the weather dispatcher) and everything on their channels / sv

      So, according to the logic of things and the position of the aircraft, the Super Jet flight should have been controlled by the route supervisor and controlled its flight according to the stated flight plan, and if it does not indicate the boundaries and options for changing the flight mode and profile, then their changes to the controller will decrease can provide only in emergency cases !!!

      Therefore, in order to discuss this issue, you need to know the approach pattern, all the boundaries and the height of the circle, and all the more so if in the area of ​​the airfield the elevation exceeds more than 2200 meters, then min. the flight altitude cannot be the one to which Yablontsev requested permission to descend.

      Quote: Oleg147741
      Warning systems for approaching the ground at such a speed when approaching a vertical obstacle can warn seconds before a collision


      Absolutely wrong !!! Look at the photo of the MFI screen above on the tape, and generally read at least a little about SRPPZ (it began to be called early because it began to look forward, and not like before, only underneath)!

      With steady work time is more than enough !!! You can even drink coffee!


      Quote: Oleg147741
      So it is here, they will give a paw to this "general director",


      He immediately drew attention ??? So, to hell with him, it’s clear that the daddy got in touch, but after 3 years he became the General Director of the bank, without working even as a leading specialist, deputy head of the lending department of individuals (about legal entities and I generally keep quiet foreigners), the head of the credit department ????
      Once ... and immediately to the kings ???? This is aerobatics !!!

      And after 3 years already the commercial director of PAPA !!!

      This is a career like Taburetkin’s.

      Well, they are very similar, because. so much "broke" at the post of commercial that ....

      Therefore, they were sent to increase, away from sin !!!

      So he doesn’t need to give him a paw, he has everything and a lot ....., but he needs to grow further, is it time to become a minister?

      Wedb career growth through a protege in Russia has not yet been canceled! +!
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 May 2012 21: 03
        +1
        veteran.air forcehello namesake! Well, I see, under the curtain you gave all the secrets to decaying capitalism.
        1. VAF
          VAF 20 May 2012 00: 09
          +2
          Quote: Sergh
          hi namesake!


          Hello!!! drinks

          Quote: Sergh
          you gave all the secrets under the curtain


          Nameska.you can't imagine, but you haven't even "covered" yet .... bully
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 20 May 2012 07: 30
            0
            not yet "covered" ....

            If something like they will torture, then lead away on a false trail, do not give in!
            1. VAF
              VAF 20 May 2012 11: 51
              0
              Quote: Sergh
              If anything, they’ll try to torture


              You know what to torture us ..... it's all the same that one thing is stupid !!! +! drinks
  13. Cynic
    Cynic 19 May 2012 18: 34
    +3
    the company is trying to divert the attention of journalists from the version associated with the error of the air traffic controller.
    In turn, First Vice-Speaker of the Federation Council of Russia Alexander Torshin put forward another version of what happened. He said that the cause of the disaster of the Russian airliner Sukhoi Superjet-100 in the mountains of Indonesia could be tough competition in the aviation market, so the likelihood of a terrorist attack cannot be ruled out.

    And why are they actually two different versions of the disaster?
    In my opinion, one!
    And in general, it’s very strange.
    The pilot asks for a go-ahead, the dispatcher allows!
    There is a disaster.
    And all in chorus - The pilot is to blame!
    Complete insanity or harboring of the truly guilty?
    It looks like the second!
  14. Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 May 2012 19: 35
    +2
    I want to believe that the crew has nothing to do with it. I am sure they fought to the last. Time in such minutes flows differently, and the calm is terrible, you believe the commander will pull out ... ... Earth in peace.
  15. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 May 2012 19: 51
    +4
    veteran.air force

    Thanks for the clarification, everything seems different from the cabin! But just ... bl ... it's a shame for the pilots, because no one from the official sources stood up for them (at least I didn’t read it) !!!! My classmate served in helicopter hot spots. He spoke meagerly and practically nothing (if you can say so in tongue-tied terms). So, when the inspection came from the big tops and said: How do you fly ?! This is not according to the instructions! The answer was simple: If according to the instructions, they will be knocked down! Why is this ?! I think that for pilots with such qualifications it was better to see what and how those phrases “dad let me steer” that were pressed above, I think that they sound insulting to such professionals! Let them call it a nationalist, but the civil aviation pilot told me that bourgeois pilots (no offense to them) generally come to work as ministers. They drink coffee before the flight, they cook everything, ours run like a marathon. Maybe this information is not correct, not a specialist. But what a shame for the country and for our people, designers, workers' engineers! Especially for the workers, because without the workers nothing happens at all! I understand that we are not in the dark, but all this together is our country.
    1. VAF
      VAF 20 May 2012 00: 30
      +3
      Quote: Oleg147741
      Thanks for the clarification,


      You are always welcome, as they say, than "we can" (and according to Bykov - ".. we can't, but we can"!

      Quote: Oleg147741
      But just ... bl ... it's a shame for the pilots, because no one from the official sources stood up for them


      It's a shame ... this is not the right word ... but not all ... officially on TV and in the press, Seryozha Zavalkin !!!

      Your classmate says everything correctly, they taught me at one time (in war) - did you teach at school? They taught, I answer, so forget it, if you want to fly for a long time!

      In the "ranks" of the KBP, and even more so KULS, this is ..... heaven and earth from the realities of combat reality.

      Recently I went to the neighbors. they fly on the Il-76, well, everything is fine, they fly as expected .... and then I saw how the deputy commander of the regiment shows what the "Afghan gradient" is (I saw it for the first time in Kandahar ... it was a shock ... it is clear that we did it on the whistles, but here it is the Il-76, with all the ensuing consequences).

      I am interested in the regiment commander. so teach young people, he looked at me like that ....., only theoretically, and then in the "smoking room", but in practice, God forbid!

      And we’re getting ready to fight ..... !!!

      In TsBPiPLS all this is shown during retraining and retraining, but it does not reach the "ranks" .....

      Well, on the topic of military pilots and civilians ... there are a lot of "broken copies", I have already written many times that I do not use their services now. But before, when I was "entered", I always found out who the FAC would be and if there was our military man (transferred to the reserve), then he was calm, but if not, then .... then only age, if over 50. ..that is normal, but with young people, fire them .......

      And your information about "bourgeois pilots" is correct .....
  16. 6o6er
    6o6er 19 May 2012 21: 09
    +2
    By the way, on the building of the GSS located on the territory of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, a photographic picture of the entire building depicting this board flying in the background ... GOR, a fateful composition ...
  17. Volkhov
    Volkhov 19 May 2012 21: 19
    +6
    The cause of the accident is in historical propaganda - May 9, "Victory Day", but the main winner, Comrade Stalin, knew that the war was not over and wanted to fight the Reich evacuated from Germany, but died in an unequal struggle with Nazi and Zionist agents. Then for 60 years they taught that there is no Reich, about how to treat gonorrhea with self-hypnosis, that everything is fine, but the reality is that the Reich exists and does not like Russians. They also have a tradition of celebrating the "Victory Day" with some nasty thing - either Raspadskaya in 2010, or Superjet. They have long had technical superiority in many areas, and they easily take over control of American and Israeli drones, for example, landing in Novosibirsk the day before yesterday. Especially with the German SU Liebcher.
    If propagandists lied less, engineers would maintain a backup manual hydromechanical control system, and complete computerization turned everyone on board into kamikazes.
    The tradition of propaganda - "patriotism" as dementia with disregard for reality - did not overcome the wall, well, you must ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 20 May 2012 00: 40
      +4
      Quote: Volkhov
      Propaganda tradition - "patriotism" as dementia with disregard of reality


      Only, +! drinks
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 20 May 2012 12: 45
        +3
        The closest conflict is a war of science, but by all indications, they want to use Russia as a simple ram, which does not need brains, just push it onto a technically superior structure, and here the allies are not much better than the enemy - the Russians are in the way.
        The main problem is that the Russians themselves do not care about logic and knowledge, although it is not possible to convince technically for the expected problems somehow. Is it possible that the defeat will be incomplete and reach some part?
  18. Cadet787
    Cadet787 19 May 2012 22: 57
    +4
    The guys in the discussion of this article are predominantly negative, aimed at the technical side of the disaster, I believe, like many that sabotage is not ruled out, very many on planet Earth are haunted by our successes and achievements.
    1. VAF
      VAF 20 May 2012 00: 50
      +4
      Quote: Cadet787
      the article is dominated by negativity aimed at the technical side of the disaster,


      Only not "negative", but a desire to establish the true cause of the catastrophe. the aircraft must continue to be operated for its intended purpose !!!

      Nobody rules out the "help" version, but ........ +!
  19. 755962
    755962 19 May 2012 23: 52
    +2
    When a Russian regional jet on Wednesday crashed into a mountain south of Indonesian Jakarta, along with a series of sad messages on Twitter, jokes were heard that the first post-Soviet SuperJet 100 was not so “super.” Reporters began to make suggestions about whether this catastrophe would destroy the company's marketing strategy. http://mixednews.ru/archives/18212
  20. Magadan
    Magadan 20 May 2012 01: 26
    +6
    All defense, aviation, shipbuilding, and all Design Bureau must be urgently returned to 100% in state ownership! Stupidly copy the system of work of such enterprises, which was in the USSR!
    How much longer can you experiment with these fucking private "efficient" owners? We have been experimenting for 20 years and everything only gets worse! Are these statistics not enough for them up there? These are not the industries that a private trader can develop. Here planning for decades ahead is needed. And I do not need to give examples of the West, saying that Boeing is private, that's all lies! Surely it belongs on the sly to the owners of the US Federal Reserve, which the US itself owns.
    Private traders - restaurants and discos. To the state - all vital sectors
    1. VAF
      VAF 20 May 2012 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      All defense, aviation, shipbuilding, and all Design Bureau must be urgently returned to 100% in state ownership! Stupidly copy the system of work of such enterprises, which was in the USSR!


      For the opinion in general to you from me 10 with +++++ !!!!!! drinks
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 20 May 2012 17: 26
        +3
        Return to the State Property is not enough.
        Still need to raise the prestige of technical universities and colleges.
        Without educated professionals, engineers, and technicians
        I have to invite guest workers to the production.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 20 May 2012 18: 58
          +2
          It is too late to return to state ownership - the beginning of the conflict - the coming days, it is likely that the networks and documents will be unreliable, payments are problematic, now we need a mechanism for mobilization without changing the property.
          Rather, power will change as a result of events, or simply disappear.
  21. Nechai
    Nechai 20 May 2012 01: 47
    +2
    Quote: Oleg147741
    with TU 144 hushed up without consequences.

    There was also such a thing - a black box was found in the end, in the suburbs of Perigee, on a private plot, BUT gutted. There was no information carrier. A completely unknown person found it, pulled it out. He threw the "shell" where he found it. Aha! And he disappeared in a completely unknown direction. The crashed crew was guilty. They say the PIC hung the camera on the steering wheel rack, and he jammed when he had to move away from the Mirage. And Igoryok Tupolev denied that, together with the head of the delegation, he put pressure on the PIC and the crew in order to demonstrate the still unworked flight modes using automation.
    Quote: 755962
    Journalists began making suggestions about whether this catastrophe would destroy the company's marketing strategy.

    And what else can they scribble about ?! You are not struck by the fact that in the news, under the heading-the news of the economy, we are constantly told how things are with the stock speculators. This is where the whole economy ends. Well, after the dismemberment, of course.
  22. Rascopov
    Rascopov 20 May 2012 01: 53
    +2
    Quote: Nechai
    And what else can they scribble about ?! You are not struck by the fact that in the news, under the heading-the news of the economy, we are constantly told how things are with the stock speculators. This is where the whole economy ends. Well, after the dismemberment, of course.

    No, at first - where something exploded and burned ..... :)
  23. needles
    needles 20 May 2012 05: 01
    0
    I understand the situation as follows ... we flew to Indonesia to sell a new car ... before demonstrating it it is necessary to study the flight areas thoroughly ... because Indonesia is not a place for walking and picnics ... High volcanoes and high humidity with ocean winds lead to the appearance of fogs and clouds. That the pilots were not able to accurately determine the position of the dangerous mountain range .. then, that all positioning systems are standing ... no gentlemen, it’s only about the people and their preparation for the flight .. We very early felt like gods surrendering to the power of electronics and satellites .. The head must think ... otherwise there will be nothing to think.
  24. patriot2
    patriot2 20 May 2012 13: 17
    +2
    needlesIf a plane is crammed with electronics, this does not mean that it has become safer. On the contrary - when it is turned off, and especially from the outside (which I think was) - the plane becomes a defenseless piece of iron stuffed with people, weapons and whatever you want. Modern means of electronic warfare thus allow you to fight with the enemy. And not the pilots of the fault that in conditions of zero visibility and disconnected (from outside) electronics the plane crashed. To whom it is beneficial, they have already said a lot.
    Eternal memory to the crew and passengers of the aircraft! crying
  25. sergey958ss
    sergey958ss 20 May 2012 13: 39
    +2
    sorry for the people, we will still make iron And bring it to mind.
  26. Uralm
    Uralm 20 May 2012 17: 24
    +2
    I hope someday find out the truth
  27. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 20 May 2012 18: 17
    +2
    Eternal memory to the fallen. It's a shame and bitter. I want the truth. Especially against the background of the photo series in the article and comments. The only thing that comes to mind, especially against the background of attempts to complete everything that remains is sabotage. Customers are obvious.
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 20 May 2012 21: 35
    0
    The problem is most likely that the design of the aircraft is not its tragedy!
    The tragedy of the aircraft is aggressive management, a system of market promotion. This system allows - colorful flights, turns in the mountains and neglect of the basic rules of flight for the sake of a beautiful picture !!!!!!!!!!!
  29. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 20 May 2012 23: 49
    0
    We remember In 2002 AN-70 crashed near Omsk. “According to a number of Russian media outlets, specialists from the Antonov Design Bureau identified the reason for the failure of two aircraft engines almost immediately after the crash.“ Is this all a bad plane? Maybe that's enough ... if the plane has flaws, eliminate it, let it fly and let there be no more accidents ...
  30. mind1954
    mind1954 21 May 2012 03: 55
    0
    And the main conclusion from all this sad story is that
    at full height the main problem of this project arose!
    THIS IS WHICH APPROPRIATING THE CANNED BANK WHICH,
    EVEN CHASSIS IMPORT, ITS NAME AND ALL RESPONSIBILITY,
    FOR PRODUCTION AND DELIVERY TO THE WORLD MARKET,
    OURS DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ANYTHING
    CONTROL OVER THE SUPPLIED START FOR HER !!!
    PS Again infinite trust fraternal, socially close,
    foreign thieves. Try not to remember anything about promises
    NATO, nor about the Jackson-Wenig amendment, etc. etc. ??? !!!
    Endless greed interrupts everything!
  31. Art111
    Art111 21 May 2012 11: 00
    +1
    I do not believe in coincidences. Technically, the jet could not be out of order. We all understand that a licked and prepared plane flew there, which would have given handicap 2 forward corps in serial. The crew flew the highest class, to advance the model into the world of another could not be. Terrorist attack, commercial attack. And they did everything for a greater resonance, not only the Russian crew died, but also a number of foreign experts. And here, comrades, we must answer with a grin on a grin.
  32. V world
    V world 27 May 2012 18: 55
    -2
    I completely agree with the opinion of industrial diversion. I am based on information from local Indonesian media and especially from comments by local military and some experts. They are generally at a loss how it was possible to send an airplane there according to such a flight plan! And who and how controlled the flight from the ground ... many questions remained. Even they (the Indonesian Air Force) try not to fly there! They lost more than one plane there!