Russia left 10-ku leaders in scientific publications. Nanotechnology is limping

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It is customary to judge the state of affairs in the science of a country both by the level of technology development and by the number of publications in major scientific journals. Today publications are monitored in the format of indexing by the base of scientific journals and Web of Science resources. In recent years, Russia has consistently been among the top ten countries in the world — the leaders in the number of scientific publications of an international level. At the same time, the president set an ambitious task for the scientific community to raise the bar and hit the Russian Federation in the top five by 2024.

However, the new data make it clear that the positive did not happen with the publication of scientific articles and other materials of a scientific nature, and by the end of 2017, Russia fell back on this indicator to the 13 place.



Россия покинула 10-ку лидеров по научным публикациям. Нанотехнологии хромают


This was announced at the press conference of representatives of the scientific community of the country by the deputy chairman of the trade union of workers of the Russian Academy of Sciences Yevgeny Onishchenko. At the same time, Onishchenko noted that the analysis of the program for the development of science in Russia makes it clear that even by 2024 the year (the year designated by the president in May decrees) Russia will not be able to return to the top ten in terms of publication activity.

At the same time, the representative of the trade union committee of the Russian Academy of Sciences noted that at the moment there is a single scientific field in which the publication activity of Russian scientists puts Russia in the top five. This is a field of physics and mathematics. It is noted that these are the results of the existence of the strongest physical and mathematical school of the USSR.

A significant lag was observed in such areas of science as artificial intelligence and nanotechnology. This is in the presence of a huge profile corporation - Rosnano, which spends tens of billions of rubles on its projects, which the same physics and mathematics school of the Russian Federation never dreamed of. Strange ...
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  1. +46
    15 August 2018 17: 51
    It is amazing how with such reforms of the education system we still have not left the 1st hundredth ...
    1. +10
      15 August 2018 17: 53
      The vector of "development" in modern Russia leads precisely to this ...
      1. +20
        15 August 2018 17: 56
        The point is not only in education, but also in its further implementation. Education is just a deposit, an investment requiring a competent investment ...
        even by 2024 (the year designated by the president in the May decrees), Russia will not be able to return to the top ten in terms of publication activity.

        Yeah, wrote a decree and that’s it, is it done? The fairy tale quickly affects ... But the prerequisites are not created, so the matter will not be done! Only production pushes to scientific advancements in industries. If the base is not fixed in practice, then there will be no further development.
        1. -9
          15 August 2018 19: 15
          No, but what will the Science and Life magazine say? Why did they create scientific companies, what do you think?
          1. +5
            15 August 2018 20: 12
            Quote: Sadko88
            No, but what will the Science and Life magazine say? Why did they create scientific companies, what do you think?

            They stepped on a sore corn right .. In the days of the USSR, we were the most reading country in the world! The magazines "Science and Life", "Technology of Youth" "Knowledge" .... In batches in the USSR they subscribed and read read read read ..
            By the way, on this "book business" in the 90s, many of the initial capital created .. Our Soviet people. Were ready to starve, but did not save on books .. Everyone read everything ..
            And now EVERYTHING! We were fed up with sausage as well, but it’s just too late .. They robbed us while reading "forbidden" books ... hi
            As Dostoevsky wrote "Who is to blame and what to do?" .. The age-old Russian question, God forbid, is a merciless Russian revolt ..
            1. +1
              15 August 2018 20: 19
              Quote: Mixanes
              In Soviet times, we were the most reading country in the world!

              The Japs whistled "Science and Life", then they wanted to pay a million dollars, and our editor sent them to hell. laughing
            2. 0
              15 August 2018 20: 48
              Chernyshevsky, not Dostoevsky at all. School curriculum.
            3. +2
              15 August 2018 21: 18
              To be well-read does not mean to be smart and educated, well-read and mind are two different things.
        2. +22
          15 August 2018 21: 19
          Quote: Logall
          Yeah, wrote a decree and that’s it, is it done?

          If only that. What the hell is science?
          Let me remind you: before the start of World War II, Germany was a leading country in physics and chemistry. During the Third Reich, leading physicists and chemists fled mainly to the States - and the scientific schools of Germany have not recovered so far, despite a good education system and decent funding.
          In Russia, perestroika and the subsequent Yeltsin "democracy" went through science like a tank. A huge number of the best specialists were forced to go abroad. The breakdown of the education system and the school reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences completed the destruction of Russian science. The situation was aggravated by the fact that people are sent to the management of science not by their scientific skills, but by their proximity to the "body" - hence all these kindersurprises, kovalchuk and, of course, the main stringer of all Russia, Chubais. The main consumers of funds allegedly allocated for science are Rusnano and Skolkovo, two monsters that are probably money launderers. Mr. Chubais has no more to do with science than flies do with the conception of babies. One of the main and most unprofitable brainchilds of Chubais - "Liotech" - does not come into contact with nanotechnology, I say this with confidence, because I am a specialist in HIT. Likewise, his other undertakings (and in Skolkovo too) are mostly completely ineffective. If there is science somewhere else, it is in the defense industry research institutes, in the Russian Academy of Sciences and in a couple of three universities. Who rules defense science? Mr. Rogozin, a phony doctor of technical sciences who ensures failure after failure. The government, instead of in order to use the potential of specialists who have survived from Soviet times and to channel funds for the purchase of modern scientific instruments for universities, he invests everything in dummies.A few more years will pass, the remnants of the groundwork left by Soviet scientists will be chewed up - and then a real disaster will come. Neither the army nor the navy will not get anything worthwhile, we will finally technologically lag behind the world and it will be possible to take us with our bare hands.
      2. +8
        15 August 2018 20: 12
        After all, the state has specially created a widely funded program for the development of nanotechnology, and hundreds of BILLIONS of rubles have been allocated for the development of A. Chubais, who headed the program. Billions were "mastered", the results were at least, the Accounts Chamber checked the "nano" work, found many violations with huge amounts falling under criminal articles, but everything calmed down, the prime minister and the president covered up mega theft ... The famous words of the prime minister for pensioners - money no, (just didn’t add: he sent Chubais’s for thieves) ...
      3. -4
        15 August 2018 20: 17
        Quote: Greg Miller
        The vector of "development" in modern Russia leads precisely to this ...


        Tell me, where is the Republic of Belarus in the ranking of scientific publications?
    2. +10
      15 August 2018 17: 55
      Quote: Faceless
      It is amazing how with such reforms of the education system we still have not left the 1st hundredth ...

      Slowly sliding down.
      Most likely, the article refers to the Hirsch Index (scientific citation).
      Just recently watched - really in 13th place.
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      2. jjj
        -5
        15 August 2018 18: 18
        The thing is that we do not have British scientists
      3. -2
        15 August 2018 20: 09
        First: Petrovich, you’ve already slipped, the rating that you gave ranged by the number of publications, but not by the h index, and regardless of the year, the h index - does not change by country - science in Spain is more productive than science in South Korea, China , India, Russia - I do not believe- strange, don’t find, but oh well, there may be a service error.

        Secondly, it would not have been useless to indicate what place Russia had in 11 and what in 17 according to the number of publications. But it doubled, that’s damned Chubais, so that it burns like a voucher. laughing
      4. +7
        16 August 2018 09: 20
        All of these indices and Hirsch and Scopus and RSCI - are very big profanity. How to increase it? - elementary. Have you ever come across scientific articles, pages 10-15, where would there be 180 sources? But there are whole magazines that specialize in this. Each link to the work - increases the index.
        You have never come across teachers who include themselves as co-authors of each student's work, under the threat of problems with their studies - and you get 60 publications a year and a huge list of scientific papers.
        I reveal another way of lying in the indexes: a foreign ISBN is bought (in the foreign "book chamber") and a "scientific correspondence conference" with a very general name is held. Anything fundamental: science and technology, development, etc. There, for ridiculous money, you can send 3 pages of text - the theses of the report, sources from the lantern and information about the author. As a result, a collection is published, where immediately reports on everything: from biology to nuclear physics, from medicine to jurisprudence. And then (for a fee) this collection and (for a bonus fee) a diploma comes to the authors from Petrozavodsk or Samara, where it is written in Russian that the author took part in an international scientific conference in Germany, USA, Argentina.
        The next way to wind up indexes: "pseudoscientific" editions. Publishing there is cheap, formally and the index will appear and the editorial board is decent, but no one actually checks the work. The author is printed, receives the publication and one copy of the published from the cheapest press. the rest - for extra. payment, on which such publishers live. They publish everything and everyone in a row. Even grammatical errors in names are not corrected. But the authors' indices rise. I personally sent 4 pages of text to one such publisher (2 at the beginning and 2 at the end) and in the center - 60 pages of the telephone directory (as "calculations"). Published and sent a free copy. I sent it under a pseudonym, so as not to spoil the list of publications.
        Scopus is a separate topic altogether - the index is international. Without connections, not a single Russian scientific journal will receive it. I'm telling my own story (and friends) - we tried to promote our scientific journal "to this index." He met all his stupid requirements for design, and relatively adequate in science. They asked 270 euros for joining. (000) The average cost to publish an article is 2015 - 5 rubles. It will never pay off. Not everyone wants to pay this money (there is a separate topic about free scientific journals). Those magazines who were lucky enough to get into the scopus have sharply increased prices for publications. What if they are required? - wrote one article, included 000 more co-authors, everyone chipped in and paid.
        This is a fraction of what is happening with the indices. Speaking of where we're going ...
      5. +1
        16 August 2018 23: 34
        not veryus!
        They created Skolkovo, mastered the money, which means the best!
        ento how to cancel the widespread production of Armata and Su-57 - well, they can suddenly sharply rivet them (although I doubt it)
        but there are no crews and rembases - the late will rush about.
    3. SSR
      0
      15 August 2018 18: 32
      Quote: Faceless
      It is amazing how with such reforms of the education system we still have not left the 1st hundredth ...

      Well, Chubas has not yet headed the Ministry of Defense, he will lead - he will finish it.
      However, the new data make it clear that the positive did not happen with the publication of scientific articles and other materials of a scientific nature, and by the end of 2017, Russia fell back on this indicator to the 13 place.


      Here is unsinkable .....
      1. +1
        16 August 2018 23: 36
        unsinkable watching of our country from the bourgeoisie of the whole world wassat
    4. 0
      15 August 2018 20: 34
      Quote: Faceless
      Russia will not be able to return to the top ten in terms of publication activity.

      Let the journalists engage in scientific pretense, leave science to scientists!
      Russia will not be able to return to the top ten in terms of publication activity.

      So what ?! You need not print your ideas, but introduce them into production! There will be more sense!
      And who began to worry? Are not those to whom Russian ideas turned out to be a real treasure, but here you see, they do not print new things ?!
    5. +1
      16 August 2018 10: 33
      Education is a very inert area. The consequences of any decisions - good or bad - are visible after 15-20 years. So we still have everything ahead!
    6. +2
      16 August 2018 11: 42
      ay-ay-ay, how can this be, because Putin's system is the most advanced world ...
  2. +15
    15 August 2018 17: 52
    For what in this life Chubais would not undertake - everything immediately karachun comes ....
    1. +5
      15 August 2018 18: 21
      Yes, we have not only Chubais "well done". Skolkovo's talented alumni are pre-assigned to a number of American universities, such as MIT, for example. These guys are now published as Americans.
    2. 0
      16 August 2018 23: 37
      you are wrong, he is a golden boy! -Everything becomes a dough that flows in one known direction. laughing
  3. -2
    15 August 2018 17: 54
    Putin's Russia has only one road ...
    1. -12
      15 August 2018 18: 15
      To further economic development.
  4. +2
    15 August 2018 17: 59
    But what about our super scientifically promising fuevuyu pile of all kinds of miracles? Or is there a complete train ... or a breakthrough and everything is classified and Chubais due to the pathological in ...... and an involuntary disinfectant
  5. +1
    15 August 2018 18: 00
    Privatize Rusnano. Deprive state subsidies. Or grunts (which is not bad, saving a budget) or starts to work as it should.
    1. +2
      15 August 2018 21: 40
      who will buy it, Rusnano then? Well this is not regionalEnergo)
    2. +1
      16 August 2018 06: 53
      Nizzya, there Chubchik feeds, and he took our Darkest to work in the AP.
  6. +18
    15 August 2018 18: 00
    It is enough to change the "redhead" to Kvachkov and everything would be fine ... in nanotechnology.
    Only 1000 Kvachkovs can save Russia.
    1. +13
      15 August 2018 18: 38
      The entire system of state administration created under Yeltsin-Putin for the profit of the oligarchs must be changed, along with a guarantor that supports it by robbing the people.
    2. Alf
      +6
      15 August 2018 20: 59
      Quote: samarin1969
      It is enough to change the "redhead" to Kvachkov and everything would be fine ... in nanotechnology.
      Only 1000 Kvachkovs can save Russia.

      When I see the inscription-In order to save Russia, it is necessary to burn Moscow-completely in solidarity.
    3. 0
      16 August 2018 23: 38
      I agree, sorry for the fantasy drinks
  7. +29
    15 August 2018 18: 02
    The first thing that I would like to note is an archaeologically inadequate system for evaluating the work of scientists. If specific goals were set in the USSR (development of atomic technologies, space, etc., etc.), now it is some kind of faceless quoting in foreign journals. On this, in fact, we can end
    1. avt
      -9
      15 August 2018 18: 12
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      The first thing that I would like to note is an archaeologically inadequate system for evaluating the work of scientists.

      The second - horseradish prove to the bulkers
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      Putin's Russia has only one road ...

      A causal relationship between open press publications and the real state of the science level. Yes! Regarding
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      it is an archaeologically inadequate system for evaluating the work of scientists.

      It’s like someone. Intelligence is good at all - no need to bathe in the search for personalities on topics of interest - they themselves will print and subscribe.
  8. +17
    15 August 2018 18: 04
    This is in the presence of a huge specialized corporation - Rusnano, which spends tens of billions of rubles on its projects, which the same physical and mathematical school of the Russian Federation never dreamed of. Strange ..
    .... Nothing strange ... Rusnano is a piggy bank, for "honestly" money taken from the budget ... for a "rainy day", for individuals ...
  9. +6
    15 August 2018 18: 04
    Alferov and Sakharov also did not write articles to the public. And the result ..?
    So you can put these statistics into the train .... Who will tell you, write about the secret?
    1. +13
      15 August 2018 18: 10
      So the Hirsch index is an indicator of the influence of the country's scientific sphere on the international field (gross efficiency), and not an indicator of the number of Nobel laureates ....
      1. +3
        16 August 2018 09: 23
        The Hirsch index basically shows only the efforts of the authors to raise it for themselves. But he has a mediocre attitude to science and cannot be based on any scientific data. See my comment above.
    2. +7
      15 August 2018 20: 26
      Do you understand the difference between fundamental and applied science? In 1962, the publishing house "Soviet Radio" OPENLY published a book by P. Ya. Ufimtsev entitled "The method of boundary waves in the physical theory of diffraction" with a circulation of 6500 copies. It described the mathematical apparatus, which was later used in "stealth technology." In the USSR, the scientific theory of P. Ya. Ufimtsev was used to develop methods for reducing the effective dispersion surface of ICBM warheads. In the USA, his students designed, for example, B-2, etc. What you said is nonsense! It is impossible to achieve significant results in science without sharing knowledge on a global level. Read, for example, the biography of Academician Kapitsa.
  10. avt
    -3
    15 August 2018 18: 08
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Looking Petrovich
    Slowly sliding down.
    Most likely, the article refers to the Hirsch Index (scientific citation).
    Just recently watched - really in 13th place.

    And what about the lack of publications and, accordingly, is the Hershin Index quotes the "Manhattan Project"? wassat
  11. +5
    15 August 2018 18: 09
    With such as Chabu (c) science does not develop
  12. +24
    15 August 2018 18: 09
    I can share with the readers of "VO".
    During the period of his work he published more than 400 scientific works, including monographs, textbooks, patents (physics, radio engineering, production organization). Today I sent two monographs for publication abroad. We don't pay for scientific publications now, they used to pay. For one of the patents (an invention in the field of aviation of the Air Force) he received a reward and paid for a family for a 3-room apartment in housing and communal services in Leningrad (1972). For the publication of my monographs abroad, under the contract, I will receive a fee of 6% of sales. Think about the fee? And what is in Russia now? For his first monograph, published in 1973, he was able to buy a color TV "Rainbow". It is necessary to change the attitude towards scientists, they must be supported. When I was in charge of the GU in the MRP of the USSR, the main scientists in the subordinate research institutes had a salary at the level of the director of the research institute.
    1. +13
      15 August 2018 18: 16
      I agree, neither respect nor due appreciation, as it was, is not (I do not remember the USSR). So why, of course, many went abroad ...
    2. jjj
      -2
      15 August 2018 18: 21
      Well, not everyone would have immediately revealed ...
  13. 0
    15 August 2018 18: 20
    It is customary to judge the state of affairs in the science of a particular country both in terms of the level of technological development and in the number of publications in major scientific journals. At the end of 2017, Russia rolled back to 13th place in terms of this indicator.

    Perhaps they "came across" topics that the public is not allowed to know about, but there were few publicly available ones.
  14. +17
    15 August 2018 18: 22
    The destruction of the Soviet education system is taking leaps and bounds (I do not think this is news for the Guarantor). The result is there. Not in our favor. And we laugh from stupid Americans, in vain, this is our future of the next few years, not so much. So something in the kingdom is wrong.
  15. +24
    15 August 2018 18: 22
    And why am I never surprised ??? Popularization of science in the Russian Federation ??? Come on, we’ll show Malakhov better and Solovyov’s for a snack! Children's educational programs on central television ??? No, let's better show cops, foresters, mukhtars! Popular science magazines? But what are you, because these are not porn liza and mahim, and not even scanwords !!!

    With such an attitude of the authorities and the media towards science and education, we have one road to the level of Mozambique.
  16. +12
    15 August 2018 18: 24
    Yes, who would doubt it! Pipeline country.
    1. -19
      15 August 2018 18: 40
      Your country is a pipeline country, and Russia is a high-tech country: nuclear energy, astronautics, medical instrument engineering, engine manufacturing, optical instrument engineering, metallurgy, and the chemical industry. And all these publications and patents without real implementation, distribution, work of the invention, an empty place.
      1. +16
        15 August 2018 18: 44
        I understand you outlined the goals? Worthy of ...
        1. -8
          15 August 2018 20: 04
          There are no goals, this is all accomplished: Rosatom, KRET, Roselectronics, Schwabe, Rostec - to help you.
      2. +16
        15 August 2018 19: 04
        Quote: Vadim237
        medical instrumentation

        What did you mean? We buy surgical needles in China, needles! All equipment because of the cordon.
        1. -7
          15 August 2018 20: 01
          Surgical needles are also made in Russia, and also as an example of medical instrument making
          1. +14
            15 August 2018 20: 24
            [/ quote] [quote = Vadim237] 0
            Surgical needles are also made in Russia, and also as an example of medical instrument making



            Oi vey ...

            In our country, began mass production of new medical ultrasound scanners. The “RusCan 50” and “RusCan 60” devices were created by the NPO “Scanner” and the “Kalugapribor” plant of the “Automation” Concern. The emergence of "RusSKan" is based on a partnership with the South Korean company Samsung, whose technologies in this project are localized in our country.



            SonoAce R7 or R5 and H60 from Samsung Medison. Both, to put it mildly, not the most advanced machines.
            1. -2
              16 August 2018 00: 15
              Most of the medical devices, as well as machine tools, and other equipment in Russia are produced in cooperation, since it is expensive and time-consuming to do something from scratch, and the likelihood of bankruptcy of this production is high - now even MRI scanners have begun to do medical equipment lagged in all directions.
              1. +5
                16 August 2018 07: 52
                Quote: Vadim237
                0
                Most of the medical devices, as well as machine tools, and other equipment in Russia are produced in cooperation, since it is expensive and time-consuming to do something from scratch, and the likelihood of bankruptcy of this production is high - now even MRI scanners have begun to do medical equipment lagged in all directions.


                Of course localization is not bad. With something to start. If not for one thing. Why write loud headlines and shout about full import substitution at every corner? Everywhere, the news about these ultrasound scanners was swept as the first Russian medical devices are not inferior to Western models. And no one wrote that they were just copies of long-existing devices, the schemes of which were simply transferred to the RF. Under the guise of the emergence of a domestic medical instrument-making device, a screwdriver assembly is hidden, just as in the case of an MRI tomograph, which turns out to be GE Healthcare. If these were clones in China, I would not say a word. But the components then all come from abroad. What then is the point?
                1. -2
                  18 August 2018 09: 39
                  But they didn’t guess at the expense of MRI
      3. +2
        16 August 2018 02: 52
        Quote: Vadim237
        medical instrument making, engine building, optical instrument making, metallurgy

        You better tell me where your grandfather milling machine communized. wink
        1. -2
          16 August 2018 20: 46
          Do you need it?
  17. +6
    15 August 2018 18: 25
    The number of publications alone says little about their scientific value. For example, various kinds of "public organizations" such as Greenpeace slap tons of pseudoscientific publications, but they are only suitable for pipifax. In addition, publications are deliberately in one language - English ... That is still an indicator. For example, for such a simple reason - no one in the United States, for example, is interested in research on the biology of, for example, Lake Baikal - in the United States there are no analogues, and if such studies are cited, then in Russia, and it is clear in what language. And how does your "web of science" rank such studies. NO! It takes into account only the "Russian Science Citation Index" - only in English.
  18. +4
    15 August 2018 18: 34
    Dissertation - "On the influence of hissing suffixes on the labor productivity of the Polar Riggers"
    M.Zadornov. wink
    1. +5
      15 August 2018 18: 37
      Well, how many times will this work be cited ...
      1. +1
        15 August 2018 18: 45
        - creationists with lectures about the fact that Darwin is a sucker, because he calls into question the divine origin of life on earth - skated in the 90s around the world, I remember, this Sabbath fell on the biology faculty of Moscow State University. So that you understand about the scientific value of such nonsense - DARWIN DO NOT WRITE ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF LIFE ON THE EARTH NO POLE.
        Can you imagine how many times they quoted this nonsense?
    2. 0
      16 August 2018 09: 26
      Better "On the influence of the phases of the moon on the growth of telegraph poles")
  19. +2
    15 August 2018 18: 44
    [quote] For his first monograph, published in 1973, I was able to buy a color TV "Rainbow" [/ quote
    I was just born, and my father, the chief of staff of the garrison, also bought it. Just a captain.
  20. +11
    15 August 2018 18: 47
    While instead of Chubais they will arrest Udaltsov, then everything will be so.
    1. -7
      15 August 2018 18: 56
      Until they are arrested together, it will be so.
    2. -2
      17 August 2018 05: 39
      Two of a Kind! Udaltsov didn’t have to crow with the Georgians, clown with the liberals on Bolotnaya, the same to me, the true and faithful sought out!
  21. +4
    15 August 2018 18: 50
    And why, this redhead didn’t even ask for a few lards. Apparently good nano success. Here we write, swear, but what's the point?
    1. 0
      16 August 2018 05: 20
      Quote: Ros 56
      Here we write, swear, but what's the point?

      As Comrade Putin said, Chubais is a valuable shot. laughing Sit down Masha. Thank you Vova. wassat
  22. +2
    15 August 2018 19: 01
    This is in the presence of a huge specialized corporation - Rusnano, which spends tens of billions of rubles on its projects, which the same physical and mathematical school of the Russian Federation never dreamed of. Strange ...

    Well, why is it strange? It is enough to recall who is at the helm of Rusnano - and the questions themselves will disappear ...
  23. -2
    15 August 2018 19: 01
    What does Rusnano and Chubais have to do with it? If someone did not understand, then Rusnano was not created for scientific discoveries. Remember Gusinsky - he does not go into politics, the government forgives him all the loans and he lives quietly in a Villa in Spain, here Rosnano is the same villa.
    1. +6
      15 August 2018 19: 57
      Only the costs of this villa unfortunately are growing and we are paying for them, and this is also strange.
  24. -3
    15 August 2018 19: 06
    Actually, I would not want Russian scholars to be quoted as often as English. Yet it is not in the traditions of Russian science to blow the whole world about what is not. However, the level of scientific research is falling, this is a global trend, unfortunately.
    1. -3
      15 August 2018 20: 07
      "The level of scientific research is falling" - Why such a conclusion?
    2. +1
      16 August 2018 09: 29
      How can a scientist be rated based on quotations? That is, I came up with something new, suggested something, and I run with this to publish right there, and in obligatory - in foreign magazines (including). They look behind the hillock: "cool idea" and use it at their own discretion. Whether or not they publish is not affected. And I farther on my head against the glass, proving that what I came up with, someone needs.
      1. 0
        16 August 2018 10: 42
        A stupid official, whether Russian or foreign, is not an expert in any area. It is beneath his dignity to consult with specialists. And how to compare the work of scientists, and even in different fields? Therefore, officials come up with various primitive mechanisms for evaluating complex processes, such as "one hundred publications is bad, and two hundred and fifty is good." Anyone can compare two numbers.
  25. +2
    15 August 2018 19: 14
    Red Tolya loosened his grip?
  26. +5
    15 August 2018 19: 44
    It is noted that these are the results of the existence of the strongest physical and mathematical school of the USSR.

    To be honest, while we live on the basis of the USSR ... A generation is leaving patriotic scientists, and there is no one to replace them .. (usually a young "scientist" will succeed a little more, you look already in the West "hot dog or matzo" is eating ..) )))
    Soon, only workers will be left with a higher "economic and legal" education. negative
    These universities, academies. Like dogs uncut divorced .. ugh damn ..
    No one to leave the country .. hi
  27. BAI
    +1
    15 August 2018 20: 14
    This is a field of physics and mathematics. It is noted that these are the results of the existence of the strongest physical and mathematical school of the USSR.


    Mathematics and physics are fundamental, apolitical sciences. They do not give an immediate economic effect and do not participate in ideological wars (most of the Soviet Nobel laureates are physicists and mathematicians). Therefore, in these areas of science there are no "effective managers" and government intervention. Hence the result.
    1. 0
      15 August 2018 23: 24
      In mathematics, namely in number theory, there is such a potential that opens up the possibility of working with super-large mathematical data
      This makes it possible to construct an inextricable mathematical space and algorithmic radial relationships during its transformation. this is a fundamental discovery of the properties of numbers that have never been used before. This generally changes the concept of analysis as such, and allows working with the multivariance of the development of mathematical processes. Hence the direct applied significance of such a discovery, which allows one to think in new extended categories and analyze complex and highly dynamic physical events in their transformation. And you say that does not give instant results
  28. -4
    15 August 2018 20: 45
    Russia left the top 10 scientific publications leaders

    Why publish them? smile
  29. +4
    15 August 2018 21: 14
    Gentlemen, is it really not clear? This race for the number of publications in scientific journals is a way of "sucking" fresh ideas and important information from the MOST creative country in the world - Russia. The author of many articles himself, in recent years has sharply reduced publications and banned his employees. The West DOESN'T HESITATE to steal our ideas. Absolutely. Over the past 10 years, their articles carry less and less useful information and more and more resemble advertising brochures ...
    This race and the ratings of our science are IMMEDIATED in the 90s, you know by whom. My acquaintances from MISIS and MEPhI have to routinely "issue" at least 5 articles a year to the mountain! It is impossible in such a sweatshop system to HIDE some information that you have. If you're a scientist, of course.
  30. +1
    15 August 2018 21: 26
    Artificial intelligence is actually a mathematical technology for working with big data. Therefore, AI is actually mathematics and its derivative. Nano technology is actually a technology of magnetic force interactions, that is, physics.
  31. -4
    15 August 2018 21: 33
    At one time, American publications on nuclear research disappeared from the open press. Flerov G.N. drew attention to this. and wrote a letter to Stalin. As a result, we have a nuclear shield.

    They don’t write, so it’s necessary.
    1. +2
      16 August 2018 10: 45
      Right now our urya-patriots will shout: "We have everything, it's just classified!" Cool excuse!
  32. +2
    15 August 2018 21: 45
    With that reward system easily. We participated some time ago in the development of a product that went for export. State awards for it were received by people who did not even stand next to him, in the literal sense of the word.
  33. ZVS
    +3
    15 August 2018 22: 13
    These nanotechnologies never existed. )))))
    Well, except that the development of finance is unknown at
    what. As in the tale about Fedot Sagittarius, create
    something "which cannot be at all."
  34. -1
    15 August 2018 22: 20
    Not surprisingly looking at what happened to the Tauride National University and its scientific staff over 4 years.
  35. 0
    15 August 2018 22: 24
    "At the same time, the President set an ambitious task for the scientific community to raise the bar and get the Russian Federation into the top five by 2024 ... by the end of 2017, Russia fell back to 13th place in this indicator. "
    So what. This is a run before the jump.
  36. -5
    15 August 2018 22: 35
    Russia left 10-ku leaders in scientific publications. Nanotechnology is limping

    IMHO. They turned on the brain and realized that it was not necessary to publish scientific discoveries.
  37. -3
    15 August 2018 23: 28
    Everything is published. A contribution of the order of $ 200 - and you are published. The country's defense capability does not depend on this rating, but on the level of fundamental and applied science. The state owes its existence to fundamental science, therefore fundamental science should be developed by the state. Applied research can be funded on the basis of the principle of reasonable sufficiency. The state should have such a socio-economic system that ensures the rapid development of basic science and such a volume of applied research that ensures the survival of the population. It is necessary to be able to make applied science bringing directly producing and making profit. For example, today forty workers can produce up to 400 thousand automobile bodies per year. Unclaimed by the market Russian labor force should be used in science. The population of the Russian Federation must work not up to 65 years, six days a week for ten hours a day, but with their heads. And who should implement this project?
    1. -2
      16 August 2018 00: 20
      "Unclaimed manpower" - They are not scientists that would involve them in scientific work.
    2. 0
      16 August 2018 02: 25
      Quote: iouris
      Today, forty workers can produce up to 400 thousand car bodies per year.

      The Pension Fund will be categorically against. With forty people you can’t take a lot in the FIU ... Here are 400 thousand workers made forty bodies - that’s the topic !!! wassat
      1. +1
        16 August 2018 05: 28
        Quote: region58
        Here 400 thousand workers made forty bodies - this is the topic !!!

        No, I'm like a tinman against categorically. If 400 thousand. workers once hit the body with a sledgehammer, then there will be nothing left of the body. crying
    3. -1
      16 August 2018 08: 41
      That is, you do not have applied science and the development of fundamental knowledge in any way? If handwriting specialists are able to draw a psychological portrait of the interlocutor, then according to the analysis of the scientific work carried out, it is possible to draw very far-reaching conclusions, which is what the corresponding offices of our "partners" are doing. This is not a conspiracy theory and shiz, it is not even hiding now.

      And for the mood - a joke:
      - Well, come on, Petka, what did you study there?
      - Logic! Tell me, Vasil Ivanovich, do you have matches?
      - There is.
      “So you smoke, is that logical?” Yes. And since you smoke, then you drink. And once you drink, then a walker among the women. Is it logical?
      - It’s logical ... Okay, I’ll go Furmanov teach logic.
      ...
      - Hi Dmitry Andreevich. Do you know what "logic" is?
      - No.
      - Do you have matches?
      - Nope.
      - ... so it turns out, logically, that you are impotent?
  38. +4
    15 August 2018 23: 43
    And now we ask you to announce the salaries of scientists.
    Ordinary workers and the Ministry of Taxes and Duties.
    A smart person who could move science,
    such a salary does not go. Here it is the same as with the rise in fertility.
    If you don’t create the conditions, you won’t get the result.
  39. 0
    16 August 2018 02: 32
    But tell me honestly - do private owners need to spend their hard-earned money, acquired by overwork, on some tall-eyed bespectacles? Click the mare in the nose - it will wave its tail 58th aphorism from the collection of thoughts and aphorisms “Fruits of Meditation” (1854) by Kozma Prutkov. Without a highly superior pendal, they will not spend money even for the sake of showing off.
  40. -3
    16 August 2018 05: 16
    a moot point .. most likely the work is underway .. but new developments will not be published!
  41. 0
    16 August 2018 05: 51
    Number of publications ...
    In English?
    And according to this rating, you need to sprinkle ash on your head?
  42. 0
    16 August 2018 06: 51
    However, the new data make it clear that the positive did not happen with the publication of scientific articles and other materials of a scientific nature, and by the end of 2017, Russia fell back on this indicator to the 13 place.

    In terms of per capita, Russia is in the 70 place. Between Tunisia and Turkey with 0.0067 publications per capita.
    USA in 24 place with 0.03 and Israel in 18 place with 0.04.
    The top ten looks like this:
    1 0.138860 Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
    2 Switzerland
    3 0.064252 Monaco
    4 Denmark
    5 0.060261 Sweden
    6 0.057769 Iceland
    7 0.055556 Pitcairn
    8 0.055413 Finland
    9 Norway
    10 0.052795 Australia
    1. +1
      16 August 2018 08: 49
      It's strange. And where did the "British scientists" go with their mountain of "discoveries" and "inventions"?
      Or should the Marangoni effect and the Garkins coefficient be applied to them? :)
  43. +3
    16 August 2018 09: 23
    Science is usually divided into fundamental and applied.
    With fundamental Russia is normal, but with applied research - not important.
    In Israel - the opposite.
  44. -1
    16 August 2018 09: 49
    A tablecloth, a tablecloth, a long way
    And rests directly in the sky.
    Everyone, everyone in the best is believed,
    Rolling rolling blue car.
  45. +2
    16 August 2018 11: 17
    With such red-haired "nanotechnologists" like Chubais, you can only cut money !!!
  46. +2
    16 August 2018 14: 04
    Effective managers for cutting the budget in action, the redhead first "planted" the whole country on a voucher, successfully "mastered" energy resources, so they began to cut down strategic objects in cities, they learned what a rolling blackout is, and the price of electricity increased hundreds of times, not enough Moreover, under the "roof" of the government, an office was created in a clean office for "assimilation" of state budget funds on a national scale under the name Rusnano, already having scientific bases in St. and an increase in the Russian-language section of Forbes. In any country, even the so-called. Third world, for such acts, at best, I would have received a life sentence, or even cut off my head, but we can do everything, complete impunity and permissiveness at the state level. The economy and the state, created and founded by deception and betrayal, cannot create anything. Moreover, Rossvertol is next in line, where Taburetkin was "launched" (there was such a Ministry of Defense, who forgot), it looks like we will have to say goodbye to helicopters, we will buy from Sikorsky and Bell. From the Family little people are "pulling up", not so long ago, quite, well, just bashfully, Yeltsin's son-in-law, who killed and robbed civil aviation, noted. All these people who killed the state, robbed and rob their people, they all eat sweetly and sleep softly, they are all at the trough, so what kind of creative work can you expect from them. They are not physically capable of this.
  47. -2
    16 August 2018 21: 40
    "In recent years, Russia has consistently been among the ten countries in the world - leaders in the number of publications of a scientific nature of international level."
    With the natural departure of Soviet scientists, all "safety factors" disappear!
    This is the "victory" of the counter-revolution of December 1991! What they wanted - they got it!
  48. -1
    17 August 2018 00: 08
    Do you know that publication in Web of Science costs from 30 thousand rubles! And no one returns this money, you need to pay from your pocket and sit hungry for a month! Why do we need such a science ?! request Work for Uncle Sam ?! fool In short - what we fought for - we ran into it! "Thank you" LADY. am
  49. 0
    17 August 2018 05: 37
    Chubais - on the bunk, Russia - in the top ten!
  50. +1
    17 August 2018 10: 52
    Rusnano, which spends tens of billions of rubles on its projects

    Yes, not the brainchild spends money on projects, but on stuffing your own pockets! am

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