Belarus for Belarusians? On demographic problems of the Republic of Belarus

The new issue of the talk show “Let’s Understand!” Is devoted to the very topical issue of fertility at the present stage of development of society. Yuri Kozachenko, the author of the book “Birth rate” and many other books and analytical articles, became the guest of the program.

One of the problems over which he has been working for many years is the problem of increasing the population of the Republic of Belarus at the expense of its indigenous people, and not migrants.

Among the most important factors affecting the growth or decline in fertility at the present stage of development of society, Yuri Kozachenko, in addition to urbanization and wealth growth, notes the “nationalization of offspring”, which is the human right to use the result of other people's children’s labor.

According to the author of the book, the entire existing social security system of the Republic of Belarus contributes to a decrease in the birth rate. According to statistics, Belarus is among the countries with a low demographic indicator, as well as the number of countries where simple reproduction of the population is not provided. This can lead to the extinction of the people. To avoid this, Kozachenko proposes to develop an effective program of demographic security, as well as to create a system in which the growth of income of the population will not affect the birth rate. Such methods can achieve a level of fertility, which will ensure sustainable economic growth of the state.

Comments

[Astoria]

proposes to develop an effective program of demographic security, as well as create a system in which the growth of incomes of the population will not affect the birth rate.

- that is probably why in Singapore the birth rate is 0,85. Although if you reduce income to the level of the Papuan, this could help, but in this situation, even the zmagars will scatter like cockroaches.

[Opera]

The problem of fertility is the problem of the godlessness of the current (post-Christian) society, i.e. it is the problem of the "absence" of sin! Fertility is influenced not by income growth, not by well-being and comfort, but by individualism as a product of materialism! To put it simply, an egoist has no conscience.

[Professor]

Quote: Oper

Fertility is affected not by income growth, not by wealth and comfort, but by individualism, as a result of materialism! Simply put, lack of conscience.

But how many children, conscientious are you ours?

[Opera]

Quote: professor

But how many children, conscientious are you ours?

Thank God not yours! I have three children. Daughters 20 years old, son of 26. At the end of 2013, my wife and I took the baby an orphan. In a month he will be 5 years old.

[Professor]

Quote: Oper

Quote: professor

But how many children, conscientious are you ours?

Thank God not yours! I have three children. Daughters 20 years old, son of 26. At the end of 2013, my wife and I took the baby an orphan. In a month he will be 5 years old.

What is so small, conscientious, you are not ours? It would be ours would be 6-8 children. Conscience is not enough?

[d1975]

You are an interesting people, and so it’s not so and differently wrong!

[Pereira]

Yes, the Opera is definitely not yours.

[Sadko88]

I would add the problem of cowardice or cowardice to take responsibility. In fact, you kind of become a leader and fall under the laws of the state, morality, and of course God's laws. The family is essentially an NGO, taking into account the characteristics of the one who creates the family. But in the case of mass adoption of children, there is also a commercial component. In Russia. Subsidies exceed wages.

[Victor jnnjdfy]

The problem in Belarus is different. What is the use of a hypothetical increase in the birth rate if young people leave the country who is in Russia, who is in Poland? For her there are no prospects, no work ...

[Sadko88]

Because Belarus is a bit of a reserve. They don’t value their own, I agree. Until they kick in a foreign land ...

[Opera]

In Belarus, as well as in Ukraine, it was good to live receiving money in Russia in due time. In Crimea, during the Ukrainian misunderstanding, there were entire Moscow and St. Petersburg diasporas. Pensioners lived all year. This does not mean that there were generally greenhouse conditions. This means that prices for people receiving Russian salaries and pensions were low. And here the local earning hryvnias scattered who where! Trains Simferopol - Moscow were full year round!

[Sadko88]

Cottages grew in chanterelles in Belarus I mean the one who wants to earn, he earns ... Who does not want, hopes that the state will nurse him ... What is characteristic of these capricious people in opposition today

[Bug_no]

I agree. The point is to give birth here and live. ZP here I personally have 270 rubles, 130 uev. City Drogichin, factory protection. Of course I go on vacation to work in Russia. For a month immediately a six-month salary. And in this bottom only exist and vegetate. Recently, here everything when the rumor went about a stroke of a non-declarant, everyone got moonshine from the basements, we were going to note this thing. But not a ride. Sorry. But we will wait. Although the Belarusians suffered in life. That is our fate.

[Sadko88]

Terpily are women of Belarus. The problem of men is lack of initiative ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bug_no

But not a ride. Sorry

and they will plant you, as usual at the request of the working people, the youngest

well, and with him uncles

[swiazist]

Bug_no (Pogranets) Today, 16:34
I agree. The point is to give birth here and live. ZP here I personally have 270 rubles, 130 uev. City Drogichin, factory protection. Of course I go on vacation to work in Russia. For a month immediately a six-month salary. And in this bottom only exist and vegetate. Recently, here everything when the rumor went about a stroke of a non-declarant, everyone got moonshine from the basements, we were going to note this thing. But not a ride. Sorry. But we will wait. Although the Belarusians suffered in life. That is our fate.
Bug_no (Pogranets) Today, 16:34

Well, of course, you have to raise the "trunk" at the factory checkpoint for 1000 rubles a month. Or maybe the bottom is not a country, but you personally? Kohl guard the factory in Drogichin and are whiter than anything? Or maybe you are not a border guard at all. And what border squad la drychina costs? And what, in the Russian Federation they pay more "door to terriers"? So go there, what's the problem?

[ebrd]

Quote: sviazist

Bug_no (Pogranets) Today, 16:34
I agree. The point is to give birth here and live. ZP here I personally have 270 rubles, 130 uev. City Drogichin, factory protection. Of course I go on vacation to work in Russia. For a month immediately a six-month salary. And in this bottom only exist and vegetate. Recently, here everything when the rumor went about a stroke of a non-declarant, everyone got moonshine from the basements, we were going to note this thing. But not a ride. Sorry. But we will wait. Although the Belarusians suffered in life. That is our fate.
Bug_no (Pogranets) Today, 16:34

Well, of course, you have to raise the "trunk" at the factory checkpoint for 1000 rubles a month. Or maybe the bottom is not a country, but you personally? Kohl guard the factory in Drogichin and are whiter than anything? Or maybe you are not a border guard at all. And what border squad la drychina costs? And what, in the Russian Federation they pay more "door to terriers"? So go there, what's the problem?

I support one hundred percent !!! Settled into the guard x..and kick and aching. The bottom is in place of his head.

[sabakina]

One of the problems over which he has been working for many years is the problem of increasing the population of the Republic of Belarus at the expense of its indigenous people, and not migrants.

What is it like ? The problem is a large number of indigenous people, and a small number of migrants? Does he want to invite Arab migrants?

[siberalt]

Migrants in Belarus are mainly from Ukraine. But how do they distinguish each other by nationality? This is the question? Fertility is higher where traditional family foundations and respect for parents are preserved. Urbanization kills fertility. Living for the sebe eating and eating is the main principle of the liberals. Give your mother at least a minimum monthly allowance for each child and it will work.

[Astoria]

You look at things somewhat simplistically, for the sake of interest, look at statistics for such countries as Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the CA, and Iran itself (although it is poorer), you will be surprised how if you have foundations and a standard of living, the birth rate does not shine directly.

[Professor]

Quote: Astoria

You look at things somewhat simplistically, for the sake of interest, look at statistics for such countries as Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the CA, and Iran itself (although it is poorer), you will be surprised how if you have foundations and a standard of living, the birth rate does not shine directly.

There is a wonderful article describing this phenomenon. Her conclusion: Blame everything ...literacy (ability to write and read) among women.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: professor

Blame everything ... literacy (the ability to write and read) among women

by no means, for the sake of interest, look at how many children were in the families of Russian aristocrats, but the same is Nikolai’s second

[Professor]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

by no means, for the sake of interest, look at how many children were in the families of Russian aristocrats, but the same is Nikolai’s second

1. Times were different.
2. Commoners had more children.
3. Contraceptives were not available.
How civilizations die: Why the Islamic womb ceased to give birth
http://postskriptum.org/2016/06/02/spengler-3/

[Astoria]

Well, the fact that in Iran is born less than in Israel is a fact. The question is why they are not born in the CA or UAE, because there are coefficients at the level of 2 / 1. Literacy certainly drives, but not in countries where they chop off their hands or stone them - I do not believe.

[Professor]

Quote: Astoria

Well, the fact that in Iran is born less than in Israel is a fact. The question is why they are not born in the CA or UAE, because there are coefficients at the level of 2 / 1. Literacy certainly drives, but not in countries where they chop off their hands or stone them - I do not believe.

I am an amateur demographer and do not argue with professionals. Professionals blame literacy.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

you already decide literacy or contraception

Why contrast them?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: professor

Commoners had more children.

Quote: professor

Contraceptives were not available.

you already decide literacy or contraception

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

yes the same nikolashka second

Yeah, all hemophilic.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yeah, all hemophilic.

in fact, the conversation was not about hereditary diseases, but about the number of children in the family, I don’t like Nikolashka, take the Ulyanov family

[Astoria]

Oh well, but that in the Soviet Union or in Europe after WWII there was no birth boom or will you suggest the option that they were all not literate or baby boom generation in the USA. Personally, my opinion is that if the state has a goal to replenish the population + there are resources for this, then in principle it works (although probably in Sodom and Gomorrah it probably would not work )

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Astoria

there was no birth boom after WWII

It was. My paternal grandfather had five children, and his mother had three. All were born after the war, in the forties and fifties.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: siberalt

Urbanization kills fertility

Tell me, is the Ulyanov family a village or city family?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Tell me, is the Ulyanov family a village or city family?

Rustic.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Village

and why such a conclusion?

[Sadko88]

What is it like ? belay The problem is a large number of indigenous people, and a small number of migrants? Does he want to invite Arab migrants?
Exactly the opposite

[Sadko88]

The male population is not enough. They leave to work and stay. Many men's professions are mastered by women. Often traveled to Belarus and even thought to stay. People are gorgeous. It can be said from childhood. The climate is comfortable. Around the order. It stopped then that the land is only being issued to foreigners for rent, but it is impossible to renounce Russian citizenship Four years ago, a house near Bobruisk, or rather, near Kirovsk, 75 m2 with all amenities + 35 acres of just 200.000 rubles. was worth it. Our pensioners should live there ... Conditions can be said greenhouse

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

create a system in which the growth of population incomes will not affect fertility

and he does not affect

[hrulevv]

In Russia, it’s no better ... Pensions, birth rates ... Children should support their parents alone. To provide social assistance to young mothers instead of retirees, and to lay the maintenance in old age on children, how many gave birth, and live. Born 5 live and smile, 1 is not so noisy. And then you need to live for yourself, a career, a figure, but let's get a pension for old age, only then my kids will have to hump from some muzzle, so that those who now rummage through taverns then receive a pension.

[Sadko88]

What are we talking about. Drones annealed in the 90s. Be kind to take care of the family. In children, wealth ...

[Astoria]

only then my kids will have to hunch from some muzzle

But you’re enough, but the fact that children’s education and healthcare was paid from a common boiler doesn’t
Of course, I do not want to say anything, but according to your logic, this is a primitive communal system, some kind of science or something else, to marry with 13, give birth with 14.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I, personally, only raped a woman at seventeen

The joke reminded:

... and noisily raped her right on the floor ...

Vladimir,

[Mordvin 3]

Well, again, you are mocking me.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mordvin 3

again you are on to me kidding me

Danubynafig ... the truth - there was such a joke
PS: and your comment was nailed, by the way ... without consequences, I hope?

[hrulevv]

13-14 giving birth is your speculation, and that education is from a common boiler, notice not from your pension contributions, but from the state, this is normal because it is the government that is concerned about the birth rate. And I'm sorry, if for you a normal family with two or more children is a primitive communal system, then what is progressive humanity for you?

[Astoria]

1) I saw in one of your posts that you have many children, if this is true, honor and respect for your spouse.
2) As for the rest, you are wrong:
A) To increase the population of two children in a family is not enough.
B) Three children or more, means that a woman leaves work practice for at least 5-6 years, which means that all the experience and knowledge gained before that go down the drain.
AT)

not from your pension contributions, but from the state

there is no state money - there is only that money that is paid from the taxes of the population.

And I'm sorry if for you a normal family with two or more children is a primitive communal system

not sorry, You substitute concepts, instead of building a social state, you offer a return to the tribal system.

[igorbrsv]

A lot of useful comments. I found out for myself that the birth rate is low:
because of our egoism, we live only for ourselves;
due to low incomes (it is difficult to feed three children plus selfishness);
disinterest of parents. I mean if the old people were fully supported by their children. True, it smacks of the abolition of pensions. On the other hand, if good income ...

[alexsipin]

Can someone explain to a person who left during the Soviet era why they always write "Belarus" and not "Belorussia". I understand that in Belarusian, "Belarus" is probably more correct, but in Russian, "Belarus" is more correct. They don't write the city "Tallinn" with three "l" and four "n", as Estonians once demanded.

[Days]

They write through "A": Belarus. And this is the self-name of this country in the Belarusian dialect (it was officially changed after the destruction of the Unbreakable Union). In Russian, Belarus remained the same:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Белоруссия. Точно так же мы Израиль называем "Изра́иль", а не "Исраэ́ль".