The United States is going to break through the missile defense system of Russia and China. Lockheed Martin is asked to give hypersound

American military-industrial corporation Lockheed Martin has signed an additional contract with the US military in the hypersonic development segment weapons. The amount of the signed contract is 480 million dollars, which by American standards - not a large amount of money in the defense industry. However, it is immediately added that in fact the financial part of the contract is open in nature.

In other words, funding may be "rubber" - to create weapons dollars will print as much as needed. And no acceleration of inflation ...

It is stated that new developments, which are being launched by experts from Lockheed Martin structures, will have to lead to the creation of weapons capable of overcoming the enemy's missile defense system. At the same time, under the opponents in the USA, they see China and Russia, and they no longer even try to hide it.

The materials in the American press referring to the developers say that a new type of American rocket weapons will move at a speed of about 5 Mach (five times the speed of sound). The US Air Force added that we are talking about an air-based missile system.

Recall that on the eve of the "VO" there was a material in which it was told how the Chinese media actively discusses the issue of the likelihood that the American version of the Russian Dagger will appear soon. At the same time, Chinese experts are linking the possibility of such an appearance with the fact that a leak of information on this project was announced in Russia. As is known, the suspects in the announced leak of secret information were detained.

Comments

[SSR]

So many times I have not asked myself the question - how can I sell military secrets that can return to the heads of relatives and friends? I did not find an answer, I will not say anything about other aspects.
This is not a huckster, this is a traitor.

experts link the possibility of such an occurrence with the fact that a leak of information on this project was announced in Russia. As you know, suspected of alleged leakage of classified information was detained.

Ugh.

[cniza]

Unfortunately, this has always been the case ...

[Nikolai]

Quote from S.S.R.

This is not a huckster, this is a traitor.

Well, an air-based missile in the United States has already been created and this is no secret.

a new type of weapon will move at a speed of about 5 Mach

But the cost of their breakthrough developments was not childishly scaled, The same SR-71, the Valkyrie, although they reached the set parameters, but it wasn’t possible to operate them, it was a little expensive ... and so on in everything except aircraft carriers, and even here without add. there wouldn’t be much funding, the printing press is driving ...

[yehat]

The SR-71 flew quite a bit and the operating costs of its flight program (not to be confused with the costs of the aircraft) were quite sane, because unlike more mediocre vehicles, it needed less support. True, I don’t know the end of history when the Mig-25 and Mig-31 began to enter the combat duty of the USSR.

[KCA]

In this case, they said that it’s okay, not everything was stolen, but scattered details that either can’t be tied to each other at all, or small things, such as testing individual elements, possibly unsuccessful, or dead ends, but for betrayal it is necessary for life or under execution, execution will be cheaper

[self-propelled]

the second is always lagging behind. we don’t know what we passed on to the Yusovites, how reliable the information is. and even in fact - they transmitted some of the entire data array ... how long it takes to process the information received, analyze, apply ...
but here it already is and it works

[rotmistr60]

They fussed too actively. But after the speech of VVP they shouted loudly that these were "cartoons" and nothing more. Experts say that the Americans are at least ten years behind. But these ten years and ours will not mark time. In the 80s, the United States pushed the USSR into an arms race, and today we are forcing Americans to spend money.

[lucul]

Quote from S.S.R.

So many times I have not asked myself the question - how can I sell military secrets that can return to the heads of relatives and friends? I did not find an answer, I will not say anything about other aspects.

Thirty pieces of silver have not yet been canceled.
People (foreign agents), furiously tearing their fifth point for the Western world, here on the forum, also from the same cohort "Democratic" missiles, after all, will fall on their heads too. They somehow do not think about it.

[Mestny]

They have another idea flooded into their brains - "Everything that is good in Russia is done strictly in spite of the bloody regime of the oligarchs, which must be immediately overthrown, and then the free people will immediately defeat all enemies and live for real." "And apple trees will bloom on Mars," so to speak.
This is a slightly modified installation from the time of the 90s. Then they shouted that the people should immediately get rid of the communist past in the person of former members of the CPSU, because there are only friends around.
And now, on the contrary, there are enemies all around, enemies inside, and only the poor people are in a defensive defense.
Despite the apparent dissimilarity of these slogans, both lead to the same goal - the destruction of the country through the overthrow of power.

[yehat]

it was under the Decembrists - it was called nihilism.

[ZVO]

Quote: lucul

Quote from S.S.R.

So many times I have not asked myself the question - how can I sell military secrets that can return to the heads of relatives and friends? I did not find an answer, I will not say anything about other aspects.

Thirty pieces of silver have not yet been canceled.
People (foreign agents), furiously tearing their fifth point for the Western world, here on the forum, also from the same cohort "Democratic" missiles, after all, will fall on their heads too. They somehow do not think about it.

There are people who do not know how to throw caps, as you are. but they know how to think ....
And these people, unlike you, do not receive the State Department money, do not tear the fifth point to the west ...
They just think with their heads and know how to draw conclusions.
When factories cannot build a new tank, a new plane, when this tank or this plane is much more expensive than those. who have a printing press - it’s a disaster.
And we are talking about this trouble.
And you just throw hats.
There are no weapons in the troops yet. and you have already gored all America with these weapons ...
How many thousands of posts were about that. yes these garbage are your F-22 and F-35 - we have PAK-FA ...
The result?
As a result, PAK-FA is not and may not be at all.
And you already 5 years ago began to defeat America with non-existent weapons.

And so in everything.
In Armata tanks - which are not and it is not known when they will be.
In the Su-57 aircraft - which are not and it is not known when and how much will be.
In the Kyrgyz Republic Caliber, which are individually produced at 40-50 units per year
In BR Sarmat - which are not and it is not known when they will be.
In the prodigy Status-6, which are not and never will be.
In the S-400 air defense system, of which there are units throughout the vast country.
In the S-500 air defense missile defense system, rjnjhs] [no and it is not known when they will be.
In the submarine of the Husky project. which are not and it is not known when they will be.
In the submarine Ash-M, which is unknown when they will be and in what quantity in the end.
In the SSBN Borey-A / B - which is unknown which way the novelty of the modernization project will go and whether it will go at all.
In frigates, destroyers - on which there are neither engines (from the word in general), nor air defense of the modern level of the middle and far zones still does not work.
Engine building is truly in decline - and we cannot create new engines.
There are no designers, and most importantly - technologists.

Space rockets are generally a failure.
For 40 years, not a single project has been truly implemented. There was something with Angara - but she showed her complete failure.

And so in everything.
No taxes, no fees. Less and less work.
The oligarchs captured the whole country.
Trillions are allocated to banks. if only they did not start speculation with dollars and plunged the ruble at the level of 200 rubles per dollar.
To oilmen as well. Compensate for the loss between prices in the Russian and Western markets.
How many real manufacturers here wrote about. what steel and metal rolling, a consuming tool cannot be bought for months, but the one that can import all and prohibitive money costs ???
Why aren't you haters in the discussion of an article about naval engine building?
Maybe just because you will be out of place and look stupid there? For there are real things talk, and not slogans with manuals?

Awesome people live.

And you?
And you, seeing all this, continue to throw hats.
Accelerate hysteria.

What country are you from?
I just live in Samara, I see what is in Samara. Engaged in trucking now.
I am constantly in Western Siberia. I see. as it was 10 years ago, 5 years ago and what is happening now.

Where are you from?
Apparently - are you the daughters of officers for whom everything is not so clear ????

Learn to think with your head, and not just repeat slogans from training manuals and practice throwing hats ...

[Tektor]

There are no weapons in the troops yet. and you have already gored all America with these weapons ...

There is nothing new under the moon ... This is a regular state when the military-industrial complex is working: you always want the newest and more. The only question is, did you manage to bring all the performance characteristics of new products to the necessary conditions? Is it possible that the new purchased will be in the hangars due to the lack of small details, but critical? Here, for example, is the Su-57, for which the helmet ZSH-7APN was developed, and in which the ancient, like ... mammoths, fire control technologies of the RVV MD are used. The helmet is too heavy and does not allow the pilot to fly with the overloads the board is designed for. Those. Su-57 can not fly in accordance with its declared performance characteristics ... because of the helmet of the pilot. The Chinese have already abandoned our helmet and made their own. We do not need to abandon the ZSh-7APN, but we need to make a replacement for it. Everything is gradually being modernized, se la vie.

[Tektor]

And the decision on the helmet may be the transfer of some of its elements to the part of the helmet, which rests on the shoulders of the pilot by analogy with the helmets of the pilots of Formula 1.

[ZVO]

Quote: Tektor

And the decision on the helmet may be the transfer of some of its elements to the part of the helmet, which rests on the shoulders of the pilot by analogy with the helmets of the pilots of Formula 1.

Will not work.
Different viewing angles are required for Formula 1 pilots and for combat aircraft pilots ...
And if the first is enough viewing angles of only 90 degrees (i.e., 45 degrees from the longitudinal axis), then the pilot of the aircraft is almost 360 ....

[Sands Careers General]

And you already 5 years ago began to defeat America with non-existent weapons.

TD and TP, and further down the list.

It seems like an adult, do not be ashamed to carry such a bootor?

[ZVO]

Quote: Sands Career General

And you already 5 years ago began to defeat America with non-existent weapons.

TD and TP, and further down the list.

It seems like an adult, do not be ashamed to carry such a bootor?

And you think a little more, maybe you still understand what it is about ...

I have been here since 2013.
I see thousands of haters.
How many words were there that our PAK-FA "has no analogue in the world" - will win all with one left?
Can you remember Yes there were tens of thousands. So what now?
The same is true for all other indicated models.
thousands and tens of thousands of posts about our superiority in weapons.
Caps of just the intergalactic radius of the lesion have grown.

But what really?
Or do you also have selective memory? Well, type PAK-FA in the search for a year since 2011 on this forum - yes spend a couple of days - read all the idiot-idiot-frantic messages.
Refresh your memory, learn to think and analyze ...

[Sands Careers General]

You’ve been rubbing your pants here on the Internet since 2013, and I’m in a war in our Donbass.
Think more

And the Su-57 have already been noted in Syria, quite successfully. As for other types of weapons, I have one question, from which banana the Armed Forces should report for new weapons to the couch "analysts"?

[ZVO]

Quote: Sands Career General

You’ve been rubbing your pants here on the Internet since 2013, and I’m in a war in our Donbass.
Think more

I saw my war in 1988 ... at the age of 18 ... So don’t be proud ...
You are not the only one ...

[gridasov]

Do not be very upset. There are no theoretical justifications for the movement of elastic hyper-velocities in the atmosphere. therefore no one can steal from anyone what is not.

[Mestny]

Your comment implies only one thought - nothing hypersonic in Russia exists, only cartoons. Well, since there is no theoretical basis.
So maybe it's worth it to write, without going from afar.

[gridasov]

Hypersonic flight speeds of an object in elastic media imply turbulence in the transformation properties of these moving media. Turbulence implies various degrees of ionization of the outflow surfaces. Mathematical analysis of such complex physical processes can only be carried out using
functions of a constant value of a number. In modern mathematics there are no such concepts. Therefore, our discovery in mathematics predetermines the entire sequence of processes in their analysis, and therefore in real-time provision. Draw your own conclusions. I draw one conclusion that everything is done through a primitive experiment. But this is not the case. Everything will burn and fall apart until you can see and understand what happened. So, first a complete analysis is needed, and then everything will turn out right away.

[dauria]

So, first a complete analysis is needed, and then everything will turn out right away.

Eh, Gridasov ... You used to dig deeper. It's also unclear, but DEEPER. The Wright brothers did not wait for Zhukovsky's Affixed Vortexes. They took it and flew.

[gridasov]

Different levels of speeds are determined by various algorithms of the processes of their components. The Wright brothers had the task of simply flying in the midst. Hyper speeds are completely different processes and their analysis on coefficients will not work.

[sir_obs]

In this sense, a rather instructive story with the Bartini airplane. At a meeting with Stalin, the designers spoke for a long time and showed on the graphs that it was impossible to overcome the speed of 300 km / h. What is it in theory, even the limit, and so on. After which, it turned out that such an aircraft already exists and flies faster than 300. Km.
If this is impossible for you, then this does not mean that for everyone either.

And who said that there is no theoretical fundamental basis? I just doubt that such publications will be published in the public domain.

[gridasov]

Well, yes, the priests again rule and protect knowledge from ordinary people. The theoretical basis for the substantiation of flights at hyper speeds can be based only on the analysis of very large mathematical data. Therefore, there is good reason to say that there is no such basis for analysis.

[spectr]

Like claims about leaks. The fact that they took ground missiles and remade them for launches from airplanes is trumpeted everywhere. Not that Americans are dumber and cannot do such a thing. And given that the contract was given to Lockheed Martin, their F-35s may become carriers.

[Gary zucker]

The f-35 has a maximum speed of 1.6 M. This may not be enough to start the ramjet. MIG-31 was chosen because it accelerates to 2.35 M, the rocket does not need the first stage.

[voyaka uh]

There is no ramjet on the dagger. MiG-31 with a dagger in life will not accelerate even to 2 MAX. BR Dagger - very heavy.

[Solomon Kane]

How heavy is it for the 31st?

[ZVO]

Quote: Solomon Kane

How heavy is it for the 31st?

It’s enough that the launch in fact was carried out on a sound basis ...

[ZVO]

Quote: ZVO

Quote: Solomon Kane

How heavy is it for the 31st?

It’s enough that the launch in fact was carried out on a sound basis ...

With the usual 4 rockets on the external sling - a limitation of 2,3M ...
And then hang a meter-wide fool - does it in your opinion only reduce the windshield? Yes, she will double it ...

[ANCIENT]

Warrior, are you confident in your statement, and can you not only answer for yours bluntly say nonsense, but also prove your statement? I am waiting for proof from you, or an apology for an outright lie!

[voyaka uh]

A dagger is an air-based Iskander BR weighing one and a half tons.
There were articles about this, including at the HE.
Now they are remaking Tu-22 bombers, which will be able to safely take the Iskander-Daggers. And the MiG-31 is an emergency "force majeure" variant of converting an interceptor into a bomber.

[ANCIENT]

Warrior! Such a statement is made by amateurs, Iskander simply will not be able to withstand the overloads that fall on the "Dagger"! The lifetime of such a rocket will end when an attempt is made to exceed the speed of sound by 5 times, and in the Iskander variant under the aircraft fuselage, this rocket is useless! The dagger, let's say, is inscribed in the dimensions of Iskander, and then only partially, and it is really hypersonic! Please fill it in !!!

[voyaka uh]

The dagger and Iskander are one and the same. Naturally, the Iskander Dagger is hypersonic. Like any ballistic missile.
After starting from the ground (or plane) it rises to 50 km. Fuel burns out in 20-30 seconds. Next is a ballistic trajectory.
Starting from an airplane allows you to make a jump closer to the important goals of the enemy: headquarters, military bases. The accuracy is high.

[ANCIENT]

It's not the same thing, but if you like it so much, consider it in your own way and it is as it really is! I'm wasting my time trying to convince you that the "Dagger" is a completely new type of air-launched missile, and it is not a copy of the missile for the "Iskander" complex!

[ZVO]

Quote: voyaka uh

A dagger is an air-based Iskander BR weighing one and a half tons.
There were articles about this, including at the HE.
Now they are remaking Tu-22 bombers, which will be able to safely take the Iskander-Daggers. And the MiG-31 is an emergency "force majeure" variant of converting an interceptor into a bomber.

not the fact that they can remake the Tu-22 under the dagger.
The size of the bomb bay may not be enough.
And again to hang it from the outside, and even not one - to greatly deteriorate its flight characteristics.
Let's turn a great plane into some kind of cuttlefish.

[yehat]

why emergency? most likely coincided in time with the modernization of the MiGs. The demonstrator and the laboratory did it, it’s cheaper than driving a Tu-22.

[ZVO]

Quote: yehat

why emergency? most likely coincided in time with the modernization of the MiGs. .

Yes, because the alterations of modernization for BM and K are fundamentally different.

Under the dagger carrier, all pylons are dismantled altogether.
Dismantled radar.
The fuselage is being cut.
The only pylon is mounted tightly.

Mig-31K - is not able to do anything else but fly with a dagger.
Do you understand this?

[prorab_ak]

And at what speed were the launches carried out?
Ooooops ... not supersonic

[Mestny]

They do not "trumpet" everywhere, but only in a certain part of the Internet, some people.
And they do it strictly according to the "Crimean bridge does not exist" system.

[spectr]

Most likely, they took some of the frozen developments as a basis (if you look at the publications, we are now reanimating some of the projects "originally from the USSR"). But on the basis of what this development was carried out - this is most likely from the category of "top secret".

[XXXIII]

In other words, funding may be "rubber" - to create weapons dollars will print as much as needed. And no acceleration of inflation ...

That is why it is necessary for our boys - military guys to feed from the belly and arm from God. And to remove the dollar from the domestic market, there is enough paper of our own, those who will interfere with sending to "Ulyukaev" in the brigade to break through the bottom ...

[Zubr]

They stopped the leak, that's good. But it seems to me that our leak was deliberately allowed by our leak. 5 max. Ours goes a little 10 swings .. Probably leaked technological disu .. Let them go the way we need. If so, then I will applaud while standing ..

[voyaka uh]

"Our 10 swings are too small .." ////
----
Going - where? In space, you can accelerate to 20 MAX.
In the stratosphere - no more than 6-7 MAX.
In dense layers of the atmosphere: 2-4 MAX. Otherwise, you’ll burn before reaching the goal.

[Lawyer]

in a vacuum bubble

[yehat]

MiG-25s in Egypt melted their wings when they left rockets in the afterburner. approximately 2.7-3 MAX
MiG-31 in the experience of Egypt was brought to the point that he could not withstand such a fast and fast afterburner at a speed just above 3 MAX. This was said by a pilot who flew both in the USSR, and taught me physics.

[Scalpel]

Well, he wrote it. The 31st is slower than the 25th, and not because of the glider, but because of the engines.

[ZVO]

Quote: yehat

MiG-25s in Egypt melted their wings when they left rockets in the afterburner. approximately 2.7-3 MAX
MiG-31 in the experience of Egypt was brought to the point that he could not withstand such a fast and fast afterburner at a speed just above 3 MAX. This was said by a pilot who flew both in the USSR, and taught me physics.

Only 1 instant-25 left missiles in Israel ... reached 2,9-3M. The fuselage under decommissioning.
The limit is set for both 25 and 31 - a maximum of 2,83.
That's all.

All sorts of 3M - were only on specially prepared machines in no way with combat aircraft that had nothing to do ...
Not a single combat aircraft will be able to fly over 2,83 - a hardware limitation has been established.

[voyaka uh]

Apparently, Boeing stalled work with his X-51 Waveraider.
Lockheed decided to try it himself.

[yehat]

a wave rider was originally a dead end project - they simply repeated the well-known that this design can work, but no one has proposed a practical mechanism that can independently adjust its speed. Plus, the problem with modeling is that the Americans do not have an adequate model of rocket behavior and they cannot predict how it flies.
And as far as I know, in NASA in recent years there has been a big failure in the materials science of heat-resistant materials, because of which many projects are skidding,
including Mask orders are not implemented.

[gridasov]

Musk is a good example of how much dimensionless money would be invested, and the old technologies and batteries and electric motors and other technologies do not give a breakthrough. What is new is obvious that few understand. General understanding of fundamentality is completely absent

[voyaka uh]

The Americans did not bother with these stratospheric and atmospheric gliders for the reason that the main task of these devices is to overcome missile defense.
But neither the Russians nor the Chinese had missile defense. There is nothing to overcome.
Now both Russia and China have moved with the missile defense from the BR. So the Americans woke up.

[XXXIII]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Americans did not bother with these stratospheric and atmospheric gliders for the reason that the main task of these devices is to overcome missile defense.
But neither the Russians nor the Chinese had missile defense. There is nothing to overcome.
Now both Russia and China have moved with the missile defense from the BR. So the Americans woke up.

When the USSR had a missile defense system, Israel went to kindergarten, to the primary group ...

[Old26]

Quote: rotmistr60

Fuss too active

Well, they have been "fussing" since 2001. We simply either do not report it, or ignore it. Work is underway for them in 2 directions.
1. Cruise missile with hypersonic ramjet engine (projects X-43A, X-51)
2. Devices similar to our "Avangard" (programs AHW, HGB, HTV-2 Falcon). programs run with varying success. No major breakthroughs have been observed yet. At least in the open press there is nothing about them now. This means either
a) the program is closed or frozen
b) the results of the program are classified

[gridasov]

You may not know the details of the program in order to draw conclusions that people involved in this are putting in the intelligence and knowledge gained in various institutes and universities. Everyone thinks at the level categories of institute physicists and mathematicians. And then bam and span！ Hypersonic processes as well as big data processing is an area of ​​completely new knowledge.