Space conquest is our task!

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Recently, the extinct interest in space has intensified sharply. And it happens in different places, and not in any particular country. The plans for the creation of huge satellite constellations were announced by us and the Americans (the latter do not get tired of talking about the flight to Mars, the United States, Russia, India, China declare their lunar plans). What does this mean for us and what are the prospects?


Russian cosmonaut on the moon. Alas, while only an illustration





Illustration of Soviet artists on this topic


No one can deny such a possibility that all this interest arose not for objective reasons, but because someone decided to prove something to someone, and the rest simply connected. So it was with the space race of the USSR and the USA. Although it left to all mankind a lot of good and technological gizmos, including those rotating in orbit, quite a few achievements were made without objective prerequisites - without the need for these achievements, they simply had no use (because of which they were safely thrown). It happened with the lunar program of the USA and "Energy". The Space Shuttle is also a good example of achievement that has proven unnecessary. Each of the constructed was designed for 100 flights. Moreover, all built in total for the 30-summer flight program made 135 flights ...


Let's go!


But, since otherwise this article has no weight, we will consider it axiom that the current surge of interest in space is caused by objective reasons that we will not understand: the article is not about that.

Now, considering that the current global interest in space is the beginning of an era of active space exploration and manned flights to other celestial bodies (at least to the Moon), find out what risks and prospects this holds for Russia. Actually, for this and thought the article.



Space conquest is our task!


Two "workhorses" of the national cosmonautics: "The Union" and "Proton"


I saw an article on “VO”, the essence of which is described by its title: “Cowards in exchange for satellites” (thanks to the author for a good slogan from which to push; this material is not the answer to the article mentioned, just some kind of antithesis was needed) .

Alas, the decision to sew underpants instead of launching satellites may haunt us in the same way as our non-alignment with the industrial revolution still haunts when it just began. At the end of the XVIII century, at least the beginning of the peak fell on the first half of the XIX century. I do not know what the then leadership thought about, but I would express it in the way that would be in the style of cowards and satellites: “But who needs these cars ?! There is nothing to eat! ”So they got what they got.

And if we believe that the current surge of interest in space is the beginning of the space age, we definitely need to be among those who are laying this era, especially since for this we have everything we need: technology, experience, desire (if it has disappeared, it is easy to revive it: the taste of euphoria from cosmic victories is still stored in the public consciousness).

Let's draw parallels. Did not become the vanguard of industrialization; completed the construction of an industrial society on 50 (if not more) years later than the advanced countries of the West. And this is still Comrade Stalin in power with us, without him there would have been, you see, even more.

And it will turn out that we decide to save on space for the sake of light industry. And in 100 years we will be in the position of catching up to talk about how this could have been avoided. Therefore, we certainly need to be among the leaders of space exploration. And even better if it turns out that everything will end the same than last time. It is better to walk in old worn clothes, but with a couple of extra satellites in orbit, than in new beautiful clothes, but lagging behind the rest of the world (or still in old worn clothes: lagging behind beauty is not supposed to be!)

And now from abstract reasoning in the style of a spiral stories move on to more specific things. What prospects will we have if we occupy the position of a leader in space exploration? This refers to the creation of huge satellites of groups, flights to the Moon and asteroids, and perhaps even their industrial development (I, being an optimist, allow it to begin in the next 20-30 years).



So, as a country, we will get from all this (and we will get almost all of it, even if we do all this in cooperation with other countries)? Below it is implied that we have achieved each of the above first. So say the maximum plan.

  • First, the closest to today - the creation of a large satellite constellation. It has already been voiced how this will help the development of our digital economy, there is no sense in repeating. Our national economy will receive an incentive for development, which other countries do not have. In addition, the need to support a huge grouping (more than 1000 satellites are planned!) Will create demand for reusable LVs (when there is no demand for a huge number of launches, such systems become more expensive than one-time). Our cosmonautics is one of the most advanced in the world: real demand will quickly give birth to supply, and quality one.

  • Secondly, the expedition to the moon. Well, there will be no special economic benefits. Unless to attract private investors in the Russian space will become easier.

  • Third, the creation of inhabited human settlements on the moon. In the case of solving this problem, we obtain a giant technological leap, which will certainly improve the life of ordinary earthlings. There will be a real need for a large number of super-heavy rockets. As you know, the more products are released, the cheaper each product is separately. It is very likely that at this stage there will also be real demand for partially reusable super-heavy rocket launchers, which in this situation, of course, will be created. From here and to large-scale development close. We will get whole mountains of new scientific data, a powerful stimulator of technological development of the entire economy ...

  • Fourth, the development of asteroids. New sources of mineral resources will affect earthly life directly, there is no need to even explain. It would be a shame to be out of business in such a profitable enterprise.


You can enumerate and talk about the above for a long time ... In my opinion, one thing is clearly definite (actually, to establish this certainty, the article was conceived; the rest is details that can be rearranged and replaced). The risks of falling behind and the prospects for being in the forefront are too high for such a power (and not only space, but also military, political), like ours, to afford to seriously think even about the possibility of abandoning the active development of astronautics in favor of solving “earthly problems” ". In this situation, a false start is much preferable to a late start.

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  1. +8
    16 August 2018 06: 02
    Science Fiction Day today! good illustrations on the lunar theme ... add more:
    1. +4
      16 August 2018 11: 25
      In order to deploy truly large-scale construction in orbit (large orbital docking stations, interplanetary ships, from research to industrial, for transporting resources from asteroids), you first need to solve the main problem. Reduce, not at times, but by orders of magnitude, the unit cost per kilogram of cargo put into orbit. Here we need either fundamentally new types of engines, or a return to reusable shuttles using other technologies (the Space Shuttle / Buran option did not live up to expectations), or orbital elevators in one form or another (several projects have been proposed, as long as everything rests on the lack of materials with the necessary characteristics).
      1. +1
        16 August 2018 15: 44
        About the elevator
        the material is graphene. Only a small nuance, everything depends on 2 factors:
        1) The amount of graphene needed will be produced only in 20-30 years, now the production workers are working on cheaper
        2) How to connect the top of the geostationary station and the bottom of the platform, an approximate option only if in real time the automation will adjust so that it does not fall. And tensile forces should not break the cable.
      2. +1
        17 August 2018 11: 34
        everything rests far from not only materials.
        combustion technology To produce a jet stream, too much impact on the environment. Massive missile launches are serious damage. It is necessary to invent more effective and desirable ways of accomplishing tasks that are built into the ecosystem and natural reproduction of resources.
        for example (this is pure fantasy, not a proposal and not a fact that a rational idea) is to make a space elevator out of a conditional cable and a lifted module due to the collected solar energy.
        There are a lot of ideas, for sure, something has changed over the past 30 years of technological stagnation and this can be realized more profitably than rocket science.

        one thing is clear - based on current technology, a serious presence in orbit cannot be maintained.
        1. +1
          18 August 2018 20: 49
          Quote: yehat
          everything rests far from not only materials.
          combustion technology To produce a jet stream, too much impact on the environment.

          What is it like? Methane, kerosene - only carbon dioxide + water, and hydrogen - only water ...
        2. 0
          20 August 2018 14: 36
          Indeed, there are such ideas, and even theoretical calculations.
          Space elevator - the concept of a hypothetical engineering structure for the rocket-free launch of goods into space. This design is based on the use of a cable stretched from the surface of the planet to the orbital station located on the GSO. For the first time, such an idea was expressed by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky in 1895 [1] [2], and the idea was elaborated in detail in the works of Yuri Artsutanov.

          The cable is held at one end on the surface of the planet (Earth), and the other - at a point stationary relative to the planet above the geostationary orbit (GSO) due to centrifugal force. A hoist carrying a payload rises along the cable. When lifting, the load will accelerate due to the rotation of the Earth, which will allow it to be sent at a sufficiently high altitude beyond the Earth's gravity.

          The cable requires extremely high tensile strength combined with low density. According to theoretical calculations, carbon nanotubes seem to be suitable material. If we assume their suitability for the manufacture of the cable, then the creation of a space elevator is a solvable engineering task, although it requires the use of advanced developments and high costs of a different kind. NASA is already funding related developments of the American Institute of Scientific Research, including the development of an elevator that can independently move along the cable [3]. Presumably, such a method in the future may be orders of magnitude cheaper than the use of launch vehicles.
    2. 0
      19 August 2018 18: 27
      Thirdly, the creation of inhabited human settlements on the moon. In the case of solving this problem, we get a giant technological leap that will certainly improve the lives of ordinary earthlings.

      Yes .. yes .. yes ... Approved.
      A settlement will stand on the moon and the entire outback will immediately receive gas and water in each hut ?!
      Pensions will rise, in the outback on the farm will grow Supermarkets with delivery ?!
      Do not mix warm with hard and arrange articles in the spirit of a speech about New Vasyuki!
      First, supply and service people in the outback, stand there for good roads and street lighting, treating children not at the expense of the money collected by SMS, but according to the state program, and then arrange moon races!
  2. +1
    16 August 2018 06: 06
    We don't need a false start as a wrong start! We have already taken our place in the space race.
  3. +6
    16 August 2018 06: 10
    We have a surge of national identity here ... People don’t want to go into space. They want to restore horse breeding and the Horde ...
  4. -14
    16 August 2018 06: 24
    And it’s still our friend Stalin who was in power, without him there would have been a lag, you see, even more.

    Another mourned mustache. What Russians have low self-esteem, they say they can not do anything without a gun at the temple and kick of the escort. The communists rebuilt what was destroyed through their own fault, and the construction of new enterprises is a normal process that would have proceeded in the same way without them.
    1. +7
      16 August 2018 06: 32
      Space conquest is our task!
      it seems to me, our task is simply to survive ... there are no money for ocean ships and much more, but for the moon there is ... og ... dreamers ...
      1. AUL
        +1
        16 August 2018 17: 50
        In principle, no one will argue with the ideas expressed by the author. Space is good, it is necessary! But, at the same time - very, very expensive. And now we need to stretch the legs for clothes. It's a shame, of course, because we were the first in space! But, I think, we now have a lot of offensive things that exist besides space.

        Secondly, the expedition to the moon. Well, there will be no special economic benefits. Unless to attract private investors in the Russian space will become easier.

        Third, the creation of inhabited human settlements on the moon. In the case of solving this problem, we obtain a giant technological leap, which will certainly improve the life of ordinary earthlings. There will be a real need for a large number of super-heavy rockets. As you know, the more products are released, the cheaper each product is separately. It is very likely that at this stage there will also be real demand for partially reusable super-heavy rocket launchers, which in this situation, of course, will be created. From here and to large-scale development close. We will get whole mountains of new scientific data, a powerful stimulator of technological development of the entire economy ...

        Fourth, the development of asteroids. New sources of mineral resources will affect earthly life directly, there is no need to even explain. It would be a shame to be out of business in such a profitable enterprise.
        Moscow is renamed Old Vasyuki ...
    2. +3
      16 August 2018 07: 06
      I think the Communists did not come to power, the great patriotic war would be lost 100%
      1. -1
        16 August 2018 07: 22
        there wouldn’t have appeared Lenin’s blank with a whole train of Jewish terrorists in April 17, maybe there would have been no civil or great Russian ...
        1. +8
          16 August 2018 10: 20
          Quote: kepmor
          there wouldn’t have appeared Lenin’s blank with a whole train of Jewish terrorists in April 17, maybe there would have been no civil or great Russian ...

          I remember Pelevin right away hi
          This is what porridge was in a person’s head. And he really thought so at heart. That security officers evolve separately from their people. Well, in a good way, as they say. Nobles also thought so in the nineteenth century. And they indulged among themselves in French, until the cook children put them against the wall. And who, as you think, was to blame for the result? Correctly.
        2. +2
          16 August 2018 13: 20
          Quote: kepmor
          no great patriotic ...

          But the Germans do not think so. They consider both World Wars one, with a technical break. And it began at Nikolashka.
        3. +2
          17 August 2018 08: 23
          there wouldn’t have appeared Lenin’s blank with a whole train of Jewish terrorists in April 17, maybe there would have been no civil or great Russian ...

          had it not been the insignificance of Nicholas II, there would have been no February bourgeois revolution of 1917, and no subsequent revolution of the Bolsheviks and subsequent events — civil and Great Patriotic War.
          But everything goes even deeper, by the time of the victory over the French, when the Russian peasant justifiably waited for the abolition of serfdom, and he received a fig and harbored a fair anger at the tsar-priest.
          The common people supported the Bolsheviks, and not only the common people.
          So "look at the root" - (c) Kozma Prutkov.
          1. 0
            19 August 2018 15: 16
            The funny thing is that in February of the seventeenth, purely technically, there was a coup, and the revolution - indeed in October. But for some reason, some people like to turn everything inside out.
        4. -3
          19 August 2018 00: 33
          Quote: kepmor
          there wouldn’t have appeared Lenin’s blank with a whole train of Jewish terrorists in April 17, maybe there would have been no civil or great Russian ...

          Not "maybe", but "it is," without the October coup in 1917, World War II would not have taken place at all.
          1. -1
            19 August 2018 15: 17
            Not "maybe", but "it is"

            Dogmatists, as always, are great!
            1. +1
              19 August 2018 20: 34
              Quote: kakvastam
              Dogmatists, as always, are great!

              Without the help of the USSR, the United States simply could not cope with Japan and the Third Reich.

              Relativitics, as always, are groundless!
    3. +6
      16 August 2018 11: 06
      What plants were destroyed by the communists? What besides the temple and social stratification did the communists destroy?
      1. -3
        17 August 2018 13: 07
        They robbed the people of a thousand-year lifestyle based on Christian morality and true spiritual values ​​!!! And it’s not Nicholas II’s matter here. THE REVOLUTION IS OUT OF THE SEMINAR

        http://www.pravoslavie.ru/106831.html
        1. -1
          17 August 2018 13: 31
          A.I. Osipov. The spiritual causes of the 1917 revolution. Part 1
          1. -1
            17 August 2018 13: 33
            A.I. Osipov. The spiritual causes of the 1917 revolution. Part 2
        2. +2
          19 August 2018 00: 36
          Quote: Tilkus75
          They robbed the people of a thousand-year lifestyle based on Christian morality and true spiritual values ​​!!!

          Church tithe was canceled. They encroached on the holy - the loot of the church.
      2. 0
        19 August 2018 00: 34
        Quote: Mexovoy
        What besides the temple and social stratification did the communists destroy?

        Church tithe was canceled.
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    5. +3
      17 August 2018 11: 41
      hey darling and you got nothing wrong
      where is the blame for the communists suddenly formed? What did they destroy?
      And as for the construction of enterprises, you do not know the realities at all. Under Stalin, there was the only moment in the history of Russia when adequate industry growth was ensured through domestic resources.
      Under the Republic of Ingushetia, industry developed poorly and about 70% belonged to foreign investors. It was not Russian industry. Now, too, much development is not visible.
      So where did you find your "normal process" without the communists? There is simply no such fact in history.
      1. +4
        17 August 2018 13: 22
        if anyone doesn’t know - the October Revolution is a counter-revolution against the bourgeois February Revolution, which destroyed the Republic of Ingushetia and brought down the front with Germany, and it was the October Revolution that saved the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia from total disintegration and dismemberment ..
        The Communists did not overthrow any king.
    6. 0
      20 August 2018 14: 48
      You, my friend, have slipped into the wrong door ...
  5. +8
    16 August 2018 06: 29
    Recently, fading interest in space has sharply intensified.

    The author somehow ignored a figure whose boisterous activity generated this surge. I consider it necessary to do this for the author, his name is Elon Musk.
    It does not matter how anyone treats him, but I believe that thanks to him, space has again become an urgent topic that is being watched with aspiration.
  6. +6
    16 August 2018 06: 40
    As far as I know, the United States, not Russia launches probes, satellites, rovers and so on. And if it is necessary to the Moon or Mars, apparently the Americans will fly there.
    1. -1
      16 August 2018 08: 10
      Not China will fly to the moon, they are now closest to this, they have thrown all the resources in this direction.
    2. +2
      16 August 2018 09: 00
      It’s just that ours are developing teleporters ... But this is not accurate ... and secret ...
  7. 0
    16 August 2018 06: 42
    In the case of solving this problem, we get a giant technological leap that will certainly improve the lives of ordinary earthlings.

    Not categorically, but I doubt it. It was like that at the dawn of the space age. Now - not sure.
  8. +2
    16 August 2018 07: 26
    This is our tradition and we keep it, fall behind, and then catch up ....
    1. +2
      16 August 2018 07: 51
      Proverb "Russians slowly harness but ride fast"It doesn’t roll here. You don’t get to Mars on a horse. :)
      Chinese repeater satellite reached point L2 above the far side of the moon
      07:4714.06.2018
      RIA News

      I applaud the Chinese. In fact, they staked out the Lagrange point L2. And this is cleaner and more practical than the American flag stuck, probably into the moon and, most likely, just Hollywood.
      We will chew snot - we will remain with the lame mare when everyone goes far ahead.
      1. +3
        16 August 2018 09: 13
        We will chew snot - we will remain with the lame mare when everyone goes far ahead.
        ... Duc, in fact, what is happening .. V.Leontiev, American economist, when he came to the USSR, when We.Sy.Gorbachev asked how to raise the economy, he answered (not verbatim, within the meaning), guys, you have developed a lot of the latest technologies in various fields, in the West, haven’t even thought of this before, develop them, will again be ahead of the rest, and not just ballet .... Well, of course ... we listened ... that the space industry is breathing, if it’s not at last, but hard ...
  9. -2
    16 August 2018 07: 52
    Again space, let's first raise the economy, and then space,))))
    1. ZVO
      +9
      16 August 2018 13: 01
      Quote: Conductor
      Again space, let's first raise the economy, and then space,))))


      You're right...

      None of your opponents apparently understand where the money comes from in the state ..

      Without a developed economy, there can be no tax collection. which then finances the missile and other industries.

      See the example of China, first underpants and socks. then horseradish electronics, then super electronics, heavy machinery, high technology.
      Working as a production site in the West (giving it all the surplus value) - a huge layer of engineers and technologists was raised. Production economists and financiers.
      Learned how to manage production and sales logistics.

      They began to create their own enterprises. Already having a backlog in the frames, All that I need and my own and in large numbers.
      They began to enter foreign markets. buy up western enterprises. especially high tech.
      Like the same robotic Cook, automobile Volvo and many others.
      And now they are already collecting a huge amount of surplus value from around the world and accumulate profit from themselves.
      Fill your budget ..
      And already the budget allows you to move by leaps and bounds and science and the military and space.

      That's it.
      And where there is no money, but at least some slogans shout to the masses - but nothing will happen.

      And blame Yeltsin, Gorbachev. Putin - after the fact - already somehow it makes no sense.
      All that had to be done with the country was not done ...
      1. 0
        16 August 2018 13: 09
        Quote: ZVO
        And where there is no money, but at least some slogans shout to the masses - but nothing will happen.

        By this indicator, the USSR was one of the richest countries.
      2. 0
        21 August 2018 10: 29
        Nobody will let us develop like China .. Which Volvo, Cook, and others didn’t sell a lousy bankrupt Opel to us before sanctions, so as not to share technologies .. Russia is not China, we shouldn’t be given technologies, but even hinted that we can to do so because it is fraught, the Russians will do twice as much and ten times cheaper .. And with China, as we can see from Trump, they got excited, and now there is a reverse wave of deprivation of technology, look at how the whole Chinese high tech is being done .. China planned to control at the expense of resources, including from the collapsed Russia, Russia survived and China had a reliable supplier of resources, then the bourgeoisie grabbed their heads .. All these wars and market restrictions are a consequence of this, but time is lost ..
  10. +6
    16 August 2018 08: 19
    Article confused, to say the least.

    In addition, the need to support a huge grouping (more 1000 satellites are planned!)


    Apparently we are talking about one statement, which seems to be supposed to compete with the projects of the global Internet from One Web and from Ilona Mask. The question is at what stage is the domestic construction of satellites? What market share has Russia occupied over the past 10 years in terms of building satellites? What about the SPACE segment electronics?

    It's all just a statement, and while the exhaust is zero. The article is similar to the program of the deputy. Three items to complete before the 2025 year.

    - to increase incomes of the population in 3 times
    - increase life to a record in history
    - increase the level of happiness of the population in order

    These are all just common wishes that are cut off from a tough reality. The moment when the United States strongly depended on the Russian Federation not only in terms of manned cosmonautics, but also in terms of commercial launches, it was already so rich years (oil on 140), but even then nothing of the above said appeared. Even for a long time developed AMC could not start. And here about Mars ... In today's difficult economic situation, hope for the emergence of a reusable rocket (I remember at ROSKOSMOS called it a dead-end path once), super-heavy, thousandth satellite constellations are not worth it. The federation was already transferred to 25 for the year, as was the lunar probe on 21.
  11. +3
    16 August 2018 08: 53
    Hmm, the phrase: the phrase that the more launches - the cheaper they are, not about Russia at all. Constant accidents led to the fact that the number of orders for Russian launches fell below the plinth. And there is no positive trend. On the contrary, it all played into the hands of the same Mask. And he is unlikely to miss such a chance. In the end, there is already talk about what Russian experts will do for the Americans a station near the moon. This is just a demonstration that everything is only getting worse.
    At some point, it will become clear to officials and managers from Roscosmos that launching Russian missiles is several times more expensive than hiring Americans or Chinese and will finally close everything, leaving only the bureaucracy.
    This perspective is clearly visible ..
  12. -1
    16 August 2018 11: 48
    “While our spaceships plow the expanses of the universe ...”
  13. rum
    0
    16 August 2018 11: 50
    Quote: Puncher
    And it’s still our friend Stalin who was in power, without him there would have been a lag, you see, even more.

    Another mourned mustache. What Russians have low self-esteem, they say they can not do anything without a gun at the temple and kick of the escort.

    A reputable company will rent a hole puncher.
    Pee Si ..... My question is, how do you know everything about * mustachioed *?
  14. +3
    16 August 2018 12: 29
    A real breakthrough would be the creation of fundamentally new engines, wow, check and checkmate. Then it will be possible to think about the development of the moon, Mars, mining on asteroids, etc. And so beyond the orbit we will not creep out. Even an orbital elevator, although it will be a big leap, but still it is not enough. We must work on the mover, and not waste time and resources on a useless moon race.
    1. 0
      16 August 2018 13: 16
      Quote: KelWin
      A real breakthrough would be the creation of fundamentally new engines, wow, check and checkmate.

      Everything has its time. ICE for 100 years has not changed a bit, all the same Carnot cycle, but how he changed the planet. RD has a long life and it is quite possible to master the solar system with it, the main thing is to realize the reusability of application, with which I. Mask began. Reusability leads to an increase in the frequency of launches, and this in turn reduces the cost of the output mass.
      1. +1
        16 August 2018 17: 21
        ICE was immediately born FAVORABLE. Even brittle, absolutely imperfect and inconvenient, he instantly began to beat the then existing methods of moving goods. Exactly the same way all other ways of moving were born.
        Many of them have opened the future for us. But look - what kind of future have rickshaws opened up for us? Did they “change the planet” a lot? Somehow not very good, right? And why? Because the movement of goods with a rickshaw is limited by human capabilities.
        RD can be used in interplanetary space. It is inconvenient, but you can come up with different ways to replenish the jet mass, but at least drive ice asteroids from the asteroid belt, and attach them to ships as a source of mass. Of course, by flooding space with "waste" (that is, ice crystals), we will be faced with an ever-increasing erosion of shells, especially on "busy routes". But we can ignore this for now.
        The question is still the same - how to go into near-Earth orbit? With the help of the RD known to us, this under all conditions and circumstances is too expensive and inefficient. And it will always be TOO expensive and inefficient. Like city transport in Moscow or Paris, based ONLY on rickshaws. Alas.
      2. +1
        16 August 2018 20: 24
        Quote: Puncher
        Everything has its time

        Yes of course. But for this time to come, and to be the first, you need to invest in basic research. The energies available to us at the moment, on a space scale, are simply not at all, the same internal combustion engine on a planetary scale is orders of magnitude more efficient. That is why we need technologies that use the resources of space, as ICE uses the resources of the planet. And if you can still somehow agree with the Lunar program, and then, just because of military needs, then spending money on Mars is just doing nonsense.
    2. -2
      17 August 2018 21: 07
      In order to travel to the nearest star and in the shortest time, you need a device that can create a space around the spacecraft in which the mass of the ship, crew, payload and fuel will be zero and then the speed of light can be achieved at the most ordinary hydrogen - oxygen rocket engines, due to the lack of gravity of the solar system, other stars and the mass of the ship itself, as well as overload for the crew - in the space of gravitational rest.
      1. 0
        18 August 2018 10: 31
        There are gravitons, it is necessary to create a field of antigravitons "Antigravitational drive" in which in relation to the outer space, the mass of the ship will be equal to zero, but the mass of the ship itself remains unchanged - the task is to isolate it from external gravitational influences.
      2. 0
        19 August 2018 00: 44
        Quote: Vadim237
        create a space around the spaceship in which the mass of the ship, crew, payload and fuel will be zero

        It is necessary to induce in a uranium wire the directional motion of neutrons - this is the pore-coordinate of the gravitational field, well, or anti-gravity - if the polarity is reversed.
        1. 0
          19 August 2018 12: 01
          This is the work for the next 100 years of fundamental and practical scientific research, but if such a system is done, I’m more than sure that the speed of light will be overcome - since in nature there is no such object whose mass is absolute zero. And Einstein's relativity theorem imposes restrictions on the speed of light on objects with mass, the Photon has light, the same has mass, although it is incredibly small - but it is.
  15. 0
    16 August 2018 17: 01
    No one can deny such a possibility that all this interest arose not for objective reasons, but because someone decided to prove something to someone, and the rest simply connected.
    Author ... Well, we will be at the forefront, if you want. Get started. We look forward to tomorrow morning, what will you announce about the creation of the engine of the "Frolov's torch ship". Or gravity system. Or maybe gravity protection? No, all this is nonsense, you immediately give us the D-principle, right?
    Got all these screams about money. Yes, it is clear that people want to live well, doing things from which, in principle, it is impossible to get a clear return. The current "cosmonautics" is a wide spectrum, ranging from a clean saw-cutter Musk to real low-altitude launches of quite useful communication and observation satellites. But in all this spectrum there is not and never, never, the author, there will be no real cosmonautics.
    The methods of delivering cargo to the planet's orbit known to us are absolutely ineffective, and they cannot be improved to a level when it would make at least some sense to engage in interplanetary flights. Investing significant funds in today's "cosmonautics" is nonsense and nothing more. Anyone who stands up for this, either has little brains, or a clear selfish interest.
    Yes, you can launch an interplanetary expedition to the same Mars. Well, more precisely, it was possible while there were Soviet specialists. Now, I'm afraid, no amount of money will help, and we are unlikely to get to the moon. But the main question is why? The monstrous cost of one expedition that does not fit anywhere, the stress of the planet's forces ... so what? "One Small Step"? Why did he give up? Nobody needs one step.
    Need a stream of ships, mass construction, expansion of the horizon. Given the current state of physics, which the Einstein sect killed reliably and efficiently, there is not a single chance that space will happen. I hope our state will not pour our resources into this breakthrough.
    1. 0
      16 August 2018 20: 56
      It seems that the "clean sawer" Musk with his already under construction interplanetary transport system will be the first on Mars - before the 30th year.
      1. -1
        16 August 2018 21: 34
        All this is a myth!
      2. -3
        17 August 2018 07: 59
        Mask speeds are impressive. Particularly impressive is the growth rate of the cost of each launch - my head is spinning straight. Already more expensive than our launches, reusability, to put it mildly, does not cheapen these launches, right? And the company's debt growth rate is also dizzying. When the hero breaks the psychologically important figure of a trillion debts? Less than three hundred billion remained, for masked talent and a year is enough. Then he will fly. Directly to the constellation of the Hounds of the Dogs ...
        1. +1
          17 August 2018 09: 54
          Do not worry - he does not have any debts over space and apparently is not expected.
          1. -2
            17 August 2018 12: 27
            I do not worry about Mask (I am mentally healthy). But I’m a little worried about the vile lies of one and the pink gullibility of others. Reusable launches should have cheapened starts, right? And how is it? Fans don't care, huh? Well, where did he get space debts when the government compensates all the losses in this area? And what does not compensate, then he merges into his dimensionless debt, which he is eagerly financed by pinkish mugs. Well done, cho ...
            1. -1
              17 August 2018 12: 39
              Proton-M 65 million dollars
              Falcon 9 62 million dollars
              Used Falcon-9 50 million dollars.
              Where is it more expensive?
  16. -2
    16 August 2018 21: 34
    Space for capitalists and bankers of the Russian Federation - NOT NEEDED! And it is being rolled up, and it’s swift. Yes, and the industry itself under capitalism is a burden! That’s it, they’ve passed ... died.
  17. +1
    16 August 2018 21: 46
    Thirdly, the creation of inhabited human settlements on the moon.
    - What about the development of the Far East and Siberia?)))) Not enough space?)))
    1. -1
      17 August 2018 09: 58
      "Development of the Far East and Siberia" - Of course, all in all, you need several tens of trillion rubles for infrastructure, production, and so on. There is someone there to do all this, the main problem is where to get that kind of money?
      1. 0
        17 August 2018 16: 35
        For example, from the Olympics or the World Cup in football.
        1. -2
          17 August 2018 18: 37
          The Olympics and the World Cup are the money invested in infrastructure. I am talking about tens of trillions of rubles for the development of the Far East and Siberia.
  18. +1
    17 August 2018 11: 26
    passed the World Cup. Cherchesov led the team right into the quarter finals (????)
    this is "our" space, and let Tsiolkovsky go through the forest
    to what wretched goals they began to propagate, already sick of it.
    1. -1
      17 August 2018 22: 00
      Already in the quarter finals - yes, an achievement in the world of football for 30 years.
  19. +1
    17 August 2018 16: 07
    It is funny that the author does not even allow the idea that one can simultaneously produce cowards and fly into space. Others somehow succeed.

    Space is now the economic and technological peak of civilization. Only truly developed countries can afford a full-fledged space program. Therefore, it requires a basis, a very strong economy, which "grows" on those very conditional cowards. Of course, you can make the "Buran", only now it will fly without "cowards" only once.

    It is clear that the author is not aware of how the space industry works and what its current state is in Russia. So - for the production of the same satellites, a powerful radio-electronic industry is needed, volumes are needed to finance R&D, a civilian sector is needed that can provide these volumes and the corresponding income. We need an appropriate education, which is laid from the school bench. The author may not be aware that all the payload for Russian satellites is done by foreign companies? Just because we do not have the industry and development. And even give us 10 trillion, nothing will change - well, high technologies do not arise on their own, apart from everything else - only such an integrated development of the economy can give such technologies.
    1. -1
      19 August 2018 00: 34
      And what high technologies in the space sphere do you need? The entire cosmic sphere is, for the most part, a payment for one's curiosity, at the expense of the state. The rest as a bonus is the launch of satellites of other companies for a fee.
      1. -1
        19 August 2018 13: 49
        "The entire space sector" is about $ 300 billion a year, of which most is pure commerce.
        1. 0
          19 August 2018 16: 03
          I had a sphere of space technology development.
    2. 0
      19 August 2018 16: 01
      At the Yaroslavl Radio Plant (a subsidiary of the Concern RTI, part of the Sistema JSFC Group), a technological production was launched to assemble the payload modules of promising spacecraft. In the future, there will be created a single end-to-end production of on-board space equipment from microplates to large-sized payload modules of promising spacecraft.

      The project was carried out jointly with JSC "RTI", JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after academician M.F. Reshetneva, JSC Russian Space Systems.

      The new production base of the enterprise includes an assembly and testing complex with an area of ​​over 2 thousand square meters. m. During the implementation of the Yaroslavl Radio Plant project, it changed the enterprise’s infrastructure, carried out research and development work involving 155 million rubles from the federal budget. The company's own investments amounted to 1,47 billion rubles.

      RTI has invested over 3,5 billion rubles in new production over several years. The constructive basis of satellite modules with engines and a navigation system will be created in the ISS named after academician M.F. Reshetneva. From there, the modules in airtight containers will be delivered by plane to Yaroslavl, where they will install a payload - equipment created by the radio plant in conjunction with the Russian Space Systems.
  20. 0
    20 August 2018 14: 16
    Space conquest is our task!

    We again put the cart in front of the horse.
    The main task now is to make adjustments to the country's economic development system in order to raise the standard of living of the population to a state corresponding to the level of ambition of the country's leadership and a certain part of the population. Then it will be possible to take up space, to this day hanging a heavy burden on the country's budget.
  21. +1
    21 August 2018 10: 59
    What kind of space exploration can be discussed if there is no concept of plasma behavior without the influence of gravitational magnetic forces. But these are simply polarization processes of any materials and objects. It’s just like talking about hyper speeds and not understanding the processes of ionization of the surfaces of the expiration by elastic flows of media in which the process of movement
  22. 0
    22 August 2018 20: 43
    Raise pensions, leave retirement age alone, fight mercenarism mercilessly, reduce top management salaries, including and in a pension fund, canceling gold parachutes is your task.
    The defense aspect of the cosmos, I do not mind, you don’t have to fly to Mars, I’m asking on behalf of the Mercians, do not stop the Martians from living their lives, and the lunatics too.

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