Poland celebrates 100 years of independence and victory over the Bolsheviks

In honor of such a unique coincidence of two holidays this year, the route of the procession will be changed. The military parade in 2018 will pass through Wislostrada, and not along the Uleydovskaya Alley, as it was before. The defilad will start in the park of fountains and will go along Grota-Rovetsi and Lazenkovski bridges.

The march will bring together more than 1500 soldiers, as well as about 200 units of military equipment: airplanes, helicopters, Tanksfighting vehicles. Historical 900 reenactors who will go in separate columns dressed in uniforms of different eras will give a look to this event, and some of them even go on horseback to the parade.

To look at this spectacle of "independent" Poland invites guests from abroad, who shoulder to shoulder with the "winners" will pass through almost all of Warsaw.

Celebrate so many events and hold such a number of events in one day, hanging on an infinite number of trinkets from past centuries - this is exactly a knight's move. Only for what? Since when is it customary to invite strategic and military planning partners to the parade in honor of Independence Day? Doesn't the celebration of independence mean that from now on they will always remain so “original” and “independent”?

And the historical reconstruction? What kind of sovereignty of the state can we talk about when they drag over the events of the times of the Commonwealth to such holidays and dress up in medieval clothes, when no one ever thought about any autonomy? ..

An elderly resident of Warsaw, who was watching the parade rehearsal, said that everything that happened to him reminded him of wartime: "The columns of armored personnel carriers are passing, the earth is shaking, an avalanche of sounds is flying ... Fortunately, this does not accompany our everyday life."

I want to add: while not accompanying. It's time for the Poles to look at what is happening in neighboring Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. There, NATO exercises are held almost several times a month, one larger than the other. This is precisely who has become accustomed to military technology on city roads, and to foreign fighters on their land, and to other people's decisions in the politics of their country.

Comments

[solzh]

One hundred years of independence, but this century did not bring the mind to the Polish authorities ...

[Tatyana]

The Russophobic psychopath Matserevich, the ex-minister of the Ministry of Defense of Poland, is probably worried by envy that he does not accept this parade. That there are enough political loonies without him in Poland.

[Peter Smith]

there are enough of them everywhere. we have no less and no more

[Tatyana]

Quote: Peter Smith

there are enough of them everywhere. we have no less and no more

You probably hear about Matserevich for the first time, if you think so.

[CALL.]

What about historical reconstruction?

First, let the truth about Katyn be reconstructed. You can only build fake state on lies. The Poles said that at the Nuremberg Tribunal, the judges did not plead guilty of the Germans for the shooting of the Poles in Katyn, since he was not in the verdict. But this episode went into indictment, like dozens of other episodes, so why not repeat it in the verdict itself.
At the Nuremberg trials, the "Katyn case" became the seventeenth point in the Third Section of the Indictment - "War Crimes" (subsection C "Murders and cruel treatment of prisoners of war and other servicemen of countries with which Germany was at war, as well as with persons in open sea "). The accusation sounds like this: "In September 1941, 11 Polish officers-prisoners of war were killed in the Katyn forest near Smolensk." The tribunal unconditionally recognized the German fascists as the executioners of Polish officers. But this happened in the days when the Cold War was gaining momentum. Article 000 of the Statute of the Nuremberg Tribunal reads "... the judgment is final and not subject to revision". http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/count26.asp (in English).
Translation here - https://vk.com/photo-99931566_378426780

[Vladimir 5]

History cannot be deceived, Goebels tried to deceive, but he entered the sayings as a deceiver. During his visit to Poland, B.N. Yeltsin admitted the facts of the shooting and handed over copies of documents about these events to Polish prisoners: army and police officers. The decision to shoot was made by four members of the USSR leadership: Stalin, Voroshilov, Mikoyan and Koganovich on the basis of a memo from Minister L. Beria. The transfer of copies of documents was the action of the official head of the Russian state on reliable grounds. I remind it so as not to surprise the world with my stupidity (in your case, propaganda trick). The internet has copies of this decision with signatures ... The leader B. Yeltsin handed over copies of documents and apologized, therefore it is better to forget and not remind this gloomy (Stalinist repressions) page of history faster. here the enemies of Russia are constantly raising this topic, introducing discord and fumbling wounds both among the Poles and the Russians ....

[Turkestan]

Yeltsin, during a visit to Poland, admitted the facts of the shooting and handed over copies of documents about these events to Polish prisoners: army and police officers


And here is the answer of V.I. Ilyukhin at a request from the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation:



Deputy Chairman of the Committee

State Duma Federal

Meetings of the Russian Federation

under constitutional law

and state building

IN AND. Ilyukhin



Dear Victor Ivanovich!

Your appeal on the declassification of archival documents on the Katyn case has been worked out.

The Central Expert Commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (hereinafter CEC MO) conducted an examination of archival documents held by the Ministry of Defense of Russia to identify materials containing direct legal evidence guilt of the German side in the Katyn crime. Revealed archival documents containing testimonies of German troops about the involvement of representatives of the German army in the killing of Polish officers were declassified by the Central Defense Commission of the Defense Ministry (attached). The Russian Defense Ministry does not have other documents ...



Sincerely, A. Nogovitsyn.

AND WHO IS RIGHT ????????????????

[Vladimir 5]

The main thing is WHAT in these documents, and the wording "involved" as deciphered, try to figure it out, there may be other times and places of executions. On the territory of the USSR at that time there were no German servicemen and could not have been, the dates of executions in the USSR are accurate ...

[Aaleks1974]

And what kind of documents are these? And drunk, EBN could have caused the Poles to destroy tens of thousands of our prisoners, apologize, not an indicator. But there is no contention, contention can be between friends, Poland has never belonged to this category.

[hhhhhhh]

November 4 was invented to forget about November 7, 1917 when the oligarchs were driven to Paris.

[alex86]

This is just understandable, but this is not a justification.

[Peter Smith]

Do not be so self-confident. An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians. Probably from the fact that it is smarter, and not a turn.

[LSA57]

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians.

he would have sanctioned at least the 1000 part that hangs on us would have lifted up the whole universe. squeals of apples; don't you remember?

[Normal ok]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians.

he would have sanctioned at least the 1000 part that hangs on us would have lifted up the whole universe. squeals of apples; don't you remember?

So sanctions are good for Russia ?! I remember how here the whole site required more sanctions and wrote joyful comments on the topic of import substitution.

[LSA57]

Quote: Normal ok

So after all sanctions are a blessing for Russia?

because they have already adapted to them. Poles under sanctions will not survive a couple of years

[Conductor]

A Pole before the sanctions lived better than Russian, so what! And in the Russian Empire he lived better than the Russian one, and between the world wars, and during the period of influence of the USSR in the orbit, and after. And we, Russia’s sanctions benefit, and on those raising the retirement age, NDM + S. Housing and communal services, gasoline and prices for everything. such a good blessing.

[100500]

Quote: Conductor

And we, Russia sanctioned the benefit, and on those raising the retirement age

Have you raised your retirement age? When did you manage? It’s strange how I missed such an event.

[alex86]

Quote: LSA57

he would have sanctions at least 1000 part that hangs on us

And who created them for us - aren't we ourselves?

[Vladimir 5]

And before the sanction, until 2014. in Russia, people skated in oil ... Justification of their troubles - justification of the condition of a slave ... Stupid people in the Russian Federation, in Poland only apple exporters were looking for other markets, and the people lived their own lives. It is in Russia that the people are hindering (according to media concerns) that Abramovich or Rotenberg have reduced their capital by $ 5 billion ...

[bistrov.]

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians

Therefore, more than 7 million Poles scattered across Europe in search of work?
And the pension in Poland is assigned at 67 years old, it is not so big, try living in Warsaw for 1800 zlotys, which is only about 500 dollars, with European utility tariffs. And there are many people who are unable to prove their seniority, or if there are not enough savings and they get the so-called social pension, which is not more than 800 zlotys. It’s not time to travel around the world and a three-story villa with a Mercedes in the garage, which immediately pops up in the minds of Russians when they are told about Western pensioners, it’s time to go picking their garbage cans to somehow live, or at best a modest apartment, or a small house and no car ..
Therefore, almost all Polish pensioners are looking for extra work: they get a job as kioskers, gardeners, childcare, watchmen, etc. etc. Not from a good life "at times" ...

[Ros 56]

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians.

Who told you such nonsense or invented it yourself? And where do the Polish plumbers go, they don’t know, and why they don’t work at home? And last, if it's so good there, what are you still doing here? And the last question, and you know how much free money is pouring into your beloved Lyakhia the European Union. So sometimes it’s better to be silent than to write comments on topics in which you can’t understand anything.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ros 56

and you know how much free money is pouring into your beloved Lyakhia the European Union.

Germans are already across the neck

[siberalt]

Let’s see how the Pole will heal when they cease to receive European assistance after joining NATO and the EU. Without laborers from Ukraine, they’ll have to worse. In Poland, they know this very well, but publicly speaking no matter! The idea of ​​creating a new Commonwealth with the inclusion of the Baltic states, Ukraine, and all Eastern Slavs against Russia and the rest of Europe, to the Black and Mediterranean Seas, remained an eternal Polish utopia.

[NKT]

Cleverer?
He lives on subsidies from the budget of the European Union like all of Poland.

[hhhhhhh]

Does the Pole have many times more cars and apartments than Russians? As many Porschayens as there are Russians have no one))))
Pulling away from home is it from a big mind?

[Igoresha]

The Pole has many times more cars and apartments than the Russians

It's really easier with cars, a friend who worked gave an example - a 21-year-old locksmith locksmith arrives at work on an audio-TT and this is his own car, but the friend himself came in a Ford Mondeo. The small car is very used = 130 dollars + good Polish roads and you can live. Clothes are also much cheaper. Air conditioners do not need to be installed - summer is mild, and in winter it is not necessary to burn gas too much for heating. Well, all around the pros.

[uskrabut]

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians

The ordinary Pole was lucky, in Poland there is no oil and gas, therefore the authorities are interested in developing all sectors of the economy and in enriching the people. This is the main difference from Russia with its raw materials economy, when people become redundant.

[Serge Gorely]

Quote: Peter Smith

Do not be so self-confident. An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians. Probably from the fact that it is smarter, and not a turn.

Congratulations to you. I am Kaliningrad. I visit Poland often. An ordinary Pole chews NOT BETTER than a simple Russian.

[Igoresha]

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians. Probably from the fact that it is smarter, and not a turn.

probably from the fact that he lives in different conditions.

[Pissarro]

An ordinary Pole lives many times worse than Russians. But he listens to propaganda that he lives better)

[bandabas]

Yes, let them celebrate. The question is when the mind comes to our authorities. Over 18 years old did not reach.

[Strelets1]

"... in thirty years there is no mind - and there will not be ..." - Russian everyday wise saying. And if for a hundred years - then for sure ... enlightenment does not shine for the Poles ...

[Peter Ivanov]

And burying Communism and the Bolsheviks Us is obviously too early! Everything has just begun!

Rot Front!

[sabakina]

There is an omission in the article. If independence is more or less clear, then where did they defeat the Bolsheviks in 1918?

[Nasrat]

Hint at Tukhachevsky’s campaign ...

[Sweetheart]

Quote: sabakina

then where did they defeat the Bolsheviks in 1918?

Nowhere in 18, fact. Surely the author for some reason omitted the result of the Soviet-Polish war, unsuccessful for us in the 20s .. but corrected in 1945, when they returned theirs.
Poles .... the right to rumble .... from mozh to mozh, until the face crack, and as a result, once again find themselves at the trough of Polish statehood .. the Poles forget the lessons of History.

[Peter Ivanov]

Oh, forgot! And the memory has a historical mallet!

[siberalt]

Yes, there was such a warrant officer Tukhachevsky, whom Trotsky made a great military leader. First, Kolchak defeated him in Siberia, and then he was instructed to "fan the world fire" of the revolution and sent to Poland at the head of a 100 thousand untrained army. There it disappeared. Except for poisoning the peasants with gas in the Tambov province, he did not succeed in anything good.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: siberalt

poison peasants with gas in the Tambov province,

Lishka grabbed .. the myth is. All the losses from the so-called gas attacks-1 (ONE) lame horse. Do not read the post-perestroika and liberal opuses on this subject ..
One such "attack" was nevertheless carried out. On July 26, at the initiative of Kasinov, a team of cadets at the Moscow Higher Military Chemical School (M. Khozhankov, V. Kukin, V. Gavrilov), under the leadership of the head of the technical department of this educational institution N. Ivonin, gave lectures on cadets of the artillery training team of the 16 Tambov infantry courses military chemical business. And on July 27 in the arena of the Tambov cavalry barracks “approximate fumigation” was carried out, for which two cylinders of chlorine were consumed (RGVA. F. 235. Op. 3. D. 59. L. 36). It was the only known "gas balloon attack" during the suppression of the Tambov uprising. Https: //vk.com/topic-16093055_24109601
The most famous case of the use of BOW by the “reds” during the Civil War is one of the episodes of the suppression of “Antonovism” in 1921. At the same time, most authors writing about "gas baiting of peasants" make an obvious substitution of concepts, presenting the case as if BOV were used against civilians, and not against armed bandits. It should also be added that the 2.000 3-inch chemical shells (8) sent to the Tambov Command (XNUMX) were AJO brands, that is, equipped with a mixture of chloropicrin (a “teardrop” currently used in the Russian army to simulate gas attacks).

As a documentary base of myth creation, the most commonly used
documents originally published in the book of B.V. Sennikova "Tambov Uprising of 1918-1921 and the peking of Russia 1929-1933. "(9).
Take an interest.
BOBKOV Alexander Sergeevich - Researcher, Institute

physical chemistry and electrochemistry named after A.N. Frumkina (Moscow),

PhD in Chemistry

TAMBOV Uprising: Fiction and Facts on the Use of Strangulation Gases

Annotation. Based on documents stored in the Russian State Military Archive and other reliable sources, the article highlights the issue of the use of chemical weapons by the Red Army forces in the suppression of the Tambov uprising in 1921. A very limited use of suffocating gases is shown. Each specific case of its application is examined in detail. Http://history.milportal.ru/2011/06/tambovskoe-vosstanie-vymysly-i-fakty-ob-ispolzovanii-udushayushhix-gazov/

[dvina71]

Quote: siberalt

to Poland at the head of a 100 thousandth untrained army

The army was normal. When Tukhachevsky made his "outstanding" maneuver and separated the main combat units from the convoy to bypass Warsaw ... Why? In Warsaw, the stations were packed, leaving for the West .. and the rest were preparing to surrender their city to the Red Army. But for some reason Tukhachevsky drove the Red Army soldiers into muddy roads to knead the mud ... with a minimum of provision .. carts bye bye .. So after a week's march and battles, the Red Army units were already without food and ammunition .. exhausted .. They took them with almost bare hands Tukhachevsky wonderful saved myself.

[Peter Ivanov]

Myths! Myths! Read the documents, it's already good to dive in the ravings of a terry anti-Soviet 80s!

[dgonni]

Campaign to Warsaw of a certain strategist named Tukhachevsky. She didn’t worry about mom. !

[Apollo]

Thus, Poland recognizes that in the period after the 2nd World War it was not under the oppression of the USSR.

[Sadko88]

So 100 years only in 2045 will be. A very young state ...

[dgonni]

Read the story!

[Peter Smith]

article clearly does not shine with talents. one negative in relation to the Poles. not new ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: Peter Smith

article clearly does not shine with talents. one negative in relation to the Poles. not new ...

This is your estimate. The article is more than objective.
And so that you understand this, then listen better to the truth, the womb of Zhirinovsky. He says that many in the Russian Federation think about the current power in Poland and historically about the Poles.

Zhirinovsky against the stubborn Pole 06.04.2016

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

listen better Zhirinovsky.

Oh, Tanyush, but don’t tell me please.

[Tatyana]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Tatiana

listen better Zhirinovsky.

Oh, Tanyush, but don’t tell me please.

What do not tell? The fact that Zhirinovsky tells the truth to the Pole about Poland and the Poles, about the history of Poland; that the Red Army liberated Poland in WWII and the USSR helped restore Poland from the post-war ruins ?! And the ingratitude of the Poles and their Russophobia in modern Russia ?!
What could be funny ?!

Listen to it yourself! How can one make a negative judgment about something without listening to a person ?! And what will this new member of the site Peter Smith (semen lodkin) think about us ?!
Vladimir! You surprised me. I didn’t expect this from you!

Or do you think that it is useless and meaningless to talk with the new member Peter Smith (Semyon Lodkin)?

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Tatiana

The fact that Zhirinovsky tells the truth to the Pole about Poland and the Poles, about the history of Poland; that the Red Army liberated Poland in WWII and the USSR helped restore Poland from the post-war ruins ?! And the ingratitude of the Poles and their Russophobia in modern Russia ?!

Today he said so, and tomorrow he will foam at the mouth with curses the USSR and Stalin for Katyn. A weather vane in a word.

[Tatyana]

Quote: The Swordsman

Today he said soand tomorrow it will be with foam at the mouth to send the curses of the USSR and Stalin for Katyn. Vane in one word.

This is too much for you. So you can’t say GOGGLING.
In what, in what, but in this case - on this occasion - you are absolutely wrong.
See video from 3: 01

Zhirinovsky cut out the Poles. Published: 19 July 2017 year.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Tatiana

This is too much for you. So you can’t say GOGGLING.

Bust ???
Yes, you listen to what this shifter-adapter yells about the USSR, the same era of Stalin.
Worse than the meanest liberal.
And his cries about the Poles here and now ... they will pay, he will sing other songs.
Here is your Zhirinovsky-Vladimir Zhirinovsky, deputy chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, LDPR faction: “If the Germans would have shot 40 thousand Poles themselves, it would certainly have been in the archives. They have lists of everyone they shot, arrested, detained. Who worked at what factories, who received what kind of salary. ”What is this? Http: //www.ntv.ru/novosti/211644/
Goebbels, concocted the myth of the responsibility of the USSR for Katyn, applauds from the damned grave all this Zhirinovsky.
Read who your Zhirinovsky actually serves.
https://ss69100.livejournal.com/3358561.html

[Tatyana]

Sweetheart (Nikolai)
Yes, you listen to what this shifter-adapter yells about the USSR, the same era of Stalin.
Worse than the most despicable liberal. And his cries about the Poles here and now ... will pay, will sing other songs.

Zhirinovsky is indeed a liberal, not a communist. He started in the Memorial society, which included, if I’m not mistaken, Novodvorskaya. And then he left it, organized his own party, the Liberal Democratic Party.
Thanks for the links about Zhirinovsky! I will definitely look.

[SEER]

Quote: Tatiana

Zhirinovsky is truly a liberal, not a communist.

I .... very closely watched in 1991 in Volgograd.
unpleasant sight I'll tell you.
behaved like ... well, as usual - a bawker and a boor in the absolute. local tomatoes showered him, he still yelled that he would never return to "this" city.
only then he was nobody, at his so-called press conference, newspapers were sent like "young journalists", and they were probably laughing at him, but now they are like "respected". guys, you should have seen the behavior of this baboon ...
Mussolini, in terms of behavior and grimaces, could smoke aside ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Tatiana

The fact that Zhirinovsky tells the truth to the Pole about Poland and the Poles, about the history of Poland;

I once joined the LDPP. Then ... in general, when Volfovich began to distribute vodka and took drugs, I stopped respecting him.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I once joined the LDPP. Then ... in general, when Volfovich began to distribute vodka and took drugs, I stopped respecting him.

And I never idealize anyone. I know a lot of things about Zhirinovsky and his party. In particular, I had to write a negative scientific review of their philosophical and political concept.
But in this case, I do not know another person who would so beautifully publicly tell the truth to the nationalizing Pole openly in person! And his very performance is a great value. And his position on this issue does not change.
And the rest in him does not concern me - I cannot baptize children with him. That which is positive in it, I take note of, but the negative is not. That's all!

[SEER]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Mordvin 3

I once joined the LDPP. Then ... in general, when Volfovich began to distribute vodka and took drugs, I stopped respecting him.

And I never idealize anyone. I know a lot of things about Zhirinovsky and his party. In particular, I had to write a negative scientific review of their philosophical and political concept.
But in this case, I do not know another person who would so perfectly publicly tell the truth-womb to the nationalizing Pole openly in person!

this ... can say anything (and he says, a pervert) but this .... listen, and even more so believe his speeches ..... well, you understand.
what did he say there? "Russian mother and father a lawyer"? yes, this fatherlessness goes to the extreme forest ...

[Pivot]

Again these acting productions.

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Peter Smith

article clearly does not shine with talents. one negative

So your comments do not shine ... neither with talent, nor with a semblance of truth, a repeat of moldy fables, myths, rumors. Even Russophobe Anders has been dragged .. well to those memories of a resident of Lvov to you.
"
As of 1944, the western regions of Ukraine were the least industrially developed region of Ukraine. But the "damned Soviet occupiers" began not only to revive Lviv destroyed by the war, but also to actively build new plants and factories. Moreover, until the 50s, the largest enterprises were transferred from the RSFSR to Lviv: from Izhevsk - the Lenin plant (now LORTA) , from Saratov the telegraph equipment plant (now FTA), from Saransk - "Iskra", from Gorky - "Lvovpribor" and "LAZ", from Moscow, Leningrad and Aleksandrov - workers and equipment of the "Electron" plant. In total, by the end of 1955 in Lviv built 25 new plants and factories, more than 100 enterprises were reconstructed. By the beginning of the 80s, there were already 137 large enterprises in Lviv. "Http://dedusenko.at.ua/blog/kak_eto_bylo_vo_lvove_v_1939_g_bez_propagandy/2012-09-07-5

[sleeve]

Well, what's wrong? Let them celebrate. The date is and the historical event is the same. It all looks strange only because we constantly remember our history, and there "we play here, here we wrap the fish." Therefore, there are not many victories, and they are strange. Well, as for the rest of historical reality, it is not accepted to march in confederates ... And there was nothing ... Here. Conveniently, damn it, I would forget the same thing about the Russian-Japanese. But 40 thousand Russian men in the Manchzhur land will not give it.

[Mentor]

Hai run around, rejoice ... If they continue to yap at Russia, then there will be no next partition of Poland ... Why divide the radioactive crater?

[KBACYPA]

You got excited, however, with a crater. Why do we need this at our own borders? Is there a little Chernobyl? ODAB to process and let the breeze blow the ashes. Of course, it will be a little expensive, but on the battalion of ensigns we’ll save

[amateur2]

And what do you want! Russia itself officially recognized November 4 as the day of liberation from the Poles. So why not celebrate the Poles a bit. Only 13 years passed before it came to them. It’s good that Zimbabwe is far away, otherwise they could get to Zimbabwe.

[Peter Smith]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Peter Smith

there are enough of them everywhere. we have no less and no more

You probably hear about Matserevich for the first time, if you think so.

I heard about Zhirinovsky. this is enough to write what I wrote

[Peter Smith]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians.

he would have sanctioned at least the 1000 part that hangs on us would have lifted up the whole universe. squeals of apples; don't you remember?

smart people do not go under sanctions. this is the mind
but they always lived better than Russians. and as part of the Russian empire and in the social camp and before the sanctions)
I will say allegorically, if you (without personalities) are smart, then why is the beggar then?

[LSA57]

Quote: Peter Smith

smart people do not go under sanctions. this is the mind

so how do we climb?
Give Crimea?

[NF68]

Quote: alex86

Litvinenko / Skripal - confirmed that our brains are not good and you can expect anything from us.

The US and NATO countries are still looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. About the same thing happens with the downing of 17 on July 2014 of the year in Eastern Ukraine, a Boeing. The Skripals case will be investigated for another 10 years and every time they assure that the British authorities have facts on all 200% confirming Russia's guilt in this tragedy.

[alex86]

That is, there is no objection to the rest?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: alex86

... our brains are not good ...

And, yes ... not "with us", but "with you"

[Sweetheart]

Quote: Golovan Jack

And, yes ... not "with us", but "with you

Brilliant. The first time I put PLUS. Here is the most accurate hit.

[siberalt]

The crazy ones have a pocket in the subway too! And what to take from them if everything is empty in fact in fact.

[Peter Smith]

Quote: bistrov.

Quote: Peter Smith

An ordinary Pole lives many times better than Russians

Therefore, more than 7 million Poles scattered across Europe in search of work?
And the pension in Poland is assigned at 67 years old, it is not so big, try living in Warsaw for 1800 zlotys, which is only about 500 dollars, with European utility tariffs. And there are many people who are unable to prove their seniority, or if there are not enough savings and they get the so-called social pension, which is not more than 800 zlotys. It’s not time to travel around the world and a three-story villa with a Mercedes in the garage, which immediately pops up in the minds of Russians when they are told about Western pensioners, it’s time to go picking their garbage cans to somehow live, or at best a modest apartment, or a small house and no car ..
Therefore, almost all Polish pensioners are looking for extra work: they get a job as kioskers, gardeners, childcare, watchmen, etc. etc. Not from a good life "at times" ...

Prices in Poland are lower for products. Some excess on a communal apartment is offset by a milder winter. And the pension in 40000 r did not dream of the Russian grandmother.
And imagine the Poles go abroad to work because in Germany they pay even more than in Poland.

[tank66]

Neh them vshist diabol vezmo / damn them all /. Spent, as it happened, six months of his life in Poland. In a nutshell, they are relatives to us as Jews are to Arabs / in terms of "love" /. BUT! There are also some sane / 20 percent according to personal estimates, who are very friendly to Russia /. One of the main factors of their worldview is Catholic "glasses." + Passionarity - in the Russian, if it is "combed" in the priest - there is always the opportunity to escape to the Far East, Kamchatka, Sakhalin / or from the Far East to St. Petersburg /. and among Armenians - everywhere in the world there are "prayed" khosh in Latin America, khosh in california ... Humanly they are understandable - the nation always has a need, is proud of "major moments of history". Moreover, "our" effective Kremlinites could lease the Kremlin on the anniversary of eating a raven and horse harness. See creative / like wild / few ...

[1536]

The Poles did not answer, and did not repent for the destruction of the Red Army in the 1922 year in their concentration camps.

[NF68]

They have been independent for the whole 100 years, but their brains have not increased over these 100 years.

[Peter Smith]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Peter Smith

smart people do not go under sanctions. this is the mind

so how do we climb?
Give Crimea?

You need to take it smartly. In this form, as it happened, it caused haste in every measure. Even Lukashenko was embarrassed to recognize this action.

[Strashila]

Like Poland won ... Yeah ... if it weren’t for the military assistance of France and Britain to be in flight.

[Yak28]

What kind of slops were part of the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union. I hope years later the Russian leadership will not blunt, and such countries as Poland, Georgia and so on will receive not a helping hand, but a boot on .......

[Peter Smith]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Tatiana

listen better Zhirinovsky.

Oh, Tanyush, but don’t tell me please.

What do not tell? The fact that Zhirinovsky tells the truth to the Pole about Poland and the Poles, about the history of Poland; that the Red Army liberated Poland in WWII and the USSR helped restore Poland from the post-war ruins ?! And the ingratitude of the Poles and their Russophobia in modern Russia ?!
What could be funny ?!

Listen to it yourself! How can one make a negative judgment about something without listening to a person ?! And what will this new member of the site Peter Smith (semen lodkin) think about us ?!
Vladimir! You surprised me. I didn’t expect this from you!

Or do you think that it is useless and meaningless to talk with the new member Peter Smith (Semyon Lodkin)?

Well, you have the logic ... During the occupation, the Germans also reconstructed bridges by the Red Army and built airfields. And the Japanese road to Sakhalin ...

[hohol95]

But did the Germans and Japanese build schools, hospitals, houses for the occupied population? Have you been supplied with food? Helped to restore the destroyed economy?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Peter Smith

Well, you have the logic ... During the occupation, the Germans also reconstructed bridges by the Red Army and built airfields. And the Japanese road to Sakhalin ...

And you forgot about the death camps in Poland occupied by the Germans.

Death camps were called extermination centers designed to carry out genocide. From 1941 to 1945, the Nazis established 6 death camps on the former territory of Poland - Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz-Birkenau (part of the Auschwitz camp complex) and Majdanek.
Chelmno and Auschwitz were built in areas annexed by Germany in the 1939 year. The rest of the camps (Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Majdanek) were located in the Polish Governor General. Auschwitz and Majdanek were not only death camps, but also served as concentration camps and forced labor camps. The vast majority of victims of the death camps were Jews. Other victims included gypsies and Soviet prisoners of war. As well as the Poles.
Several million people were destroyed in them. Only Jews in these camps killed 3,5 million people.

[Igor Polovodov]

Also reported 69 Victory-Warsaw ... the legendary post-war machines of the USSR will take part in the head of the 1 column
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[Peter Smith]

Quote: hohol95

But did the Germans and Japanese build schools, hospitals, houses for the occupied population? Have you been supplied with food? Helped to restore the destroyed economy?

yes supplied. and villages often fed from their field kitchens and shared food. live witnesses tell me that are now 85 years old
the Germans were different
but that does not make them liberators, like the USSR in Poland

[Peter Smith]

Quote: Tatiana

And you forgot about the death camps in Poland occupied by the Germans.

And did you forget about the death camps in the USSR that occupied part of Poland for the Poles who suddenly found themselves part of the USSR?
Polish general Vladislav Anders transmits eyewitness accounts in his memoirs about how, after entering Lviv, “the Bolsheviks robbed property not only private but also state, how the NKVD penetrates more and more into all spheres of life, about crowds of refugees who, having learned how to live under the Bolsheviks, in spite of everything, they want to go to the lands occupied by the Germans ”

According to Anders own observations, at the end of autumn 1939 Lviv looked like this: “Shops are looted, shop windows are broken, only one has a few hats. Endless lines at grocery stores. [...] People’s mood is gloomy. The streets are full of enkavedeshnikov and soldiers. The pavements and sidewalks are dirty, littered with snow. The impression is terrible. ”

[KBACYPA]

That's not necessary about Anders. She's also a political prostitute. Are there any more authoritative sources? Lvov could not have the described appearance at the end of autumn. At the end of September, it's easy. The German troops are gone, the Soviet ones are not yet. "Take a walk, flaw" (c).

[iouris]

Not only Poland is celebrating. The Russian empire was destroyed a hundred years ago. They are not celebrating independence, but "Europeanness" - joining a coalition that sucks resources. There are no forests in Central Europe. Where did the firewood come from?

[Archon]

when did Poland defeat the Bolsheviks?
Poland was generally captured by the USSR and the Reich, it is true. but when did Poland defeat the Bolsheviks?

[Dormidont]

"The brilliant red marshal" the Polish campaign of Tukhachev rode. Well at least he was shot. Better late than never

[vit357]

It was not necessary to release Poland so quickly from their German masters, but who knew?

[iouris]

Quote: vit357

It wasn’t necessary to release Poland so FAST

It was not necessary in 1985 ... 1991 to destroy the USSR and the world system of socialism in order to lie under Germany and the USA, Latvia, Estonia and further on the list.

[Turkestan]

"Ten facts about Poland",

which, you just need to keep in mind when it comes to relations with this wonderful country.
The first fact. After the end of World War I, Poland, taking advantage of the weakness of the young Soviet state, occupied Western Ukraine and Western Belarus. The offensive of Polish troops in Ukraine in the spring of 1920 was accompanied by Jewish pogroms and mass executions. For example, in the city of Rivne, the Poles shot more than 3 thousand civilians, in the town of Tetiev killed about 4 thousand Jews. For resistance during the seizure of food, villages were burned, residents were shot. During the Russo-Polish war, 200 Red Army soldiers were captured by the Poles. Of these, 80 thousand were destroyed by the Poles. True, modern Polish historians question all these data.
It was only possible to free the captured territories of the Soviet army in 1939 year.
The second fact. In the period between the First and Second World Wars, small, defenseless and, as you yourself understand, immaculate Poland passionately dreamed of colonies that could be robbed at their pleasure. As was then customary in the rest of Europe. And accepted so far. For example, a poster: "Poland needs colonies!" Mostly like Portuguese Angola. Good climate, rich land and subsoil. Do you feel sorry for that? Poland also agreed to Togo and Cameroon. Looked closely at Mozambique.
In 1930, even the public organization “Marine and Colonial League” was created. Here are photographs that celebrate the “Day of the Colonies” on a grand scale, which turned into a demonstration demanding Polish colonial expansion in Africa. On the poster of the demonstrators it is written: "We demand overseas colonies for Poland." The churches dedicated masses to the demands of the colonies, and films of the colonial theme were shown in cinemas. This is an excerpt from one such film about the Polish expedition to Africa. And this is a solemn parade of future Polish bandits and robbers.
True, the harvested beautiful cork helmets and whips for slaves could not be used for its intended purpose. Portugal did not want to share Angola, and in 1939, Poland itself was turned into a colony. The Maritime and Colonial League organization had by this time about 1 million members.
By the way, a couple of years ago, Polish Foreign Minister Grzegorz Schetyna in an interview with one of the largest Polish publications said: "Talking about Ukraine without Poland’s participation is akin to discussing the affairs of colonial countries without the participation of their metropolises." And although Ukraine was not particularly indignant, dreams still remain dreams ...
The third fact. Poland became the first state to conclude a non-aggression pact with Nazi Germany. It was signed on January 26, 1934 in Berlin for a period of 10 years. Exactly the same as Germany and the USSR concluded in 1939. Well, the truth is, in the case of the USSR there was still a secret application that no one had ever seen in the original. The same application with a forged signature of Molotov and the real Ribbentrop, which, after the surrender of Germany in the 45th year, was for some time captured by the Americans. That application, in which the phrase "by both parties" is used three times! The same application in which Finland is called the Baltic state. Anyway.
The fourth fact. In October 1920, the Poles captured Vilnius and the surrounding area - only about a third of the territory of the Republic of Lithuania. Lithuania, of course, did not recognize this seizure and continued to regard these territories as its own. And when on March 13, 1938, Hitler carried out the anschluss of Austria, he needed international recognition of these actions before the cut. And in response to the recognition of the Anschluss of Austria, Germany was ready to recognize the capture by Poland of all Lithuania, except the city of Memel and the region around it. This city was supposed to enter the Reich.
And already March 17 Warsaw issued an ultimatum to Lithuania, and the Polish troops were concentrated on the border with Lithuania. And only the intervention of the Soviet Union, Poland threatened to break the pact of non-aggression from the 32-year saved Lithuania from Polish occupation. Poland has been forced to withdraw their claims.
By the way, I hope the Lithuanian people remember that it was the USSR that returned both Vilna and Memel with the regions to Lithuania. And Vilna was transferred back in 1939 year under a mutual assistance agreement.
The fifth fact. In 1938, in alliance with fascist Germany, small, defenseless, “long-suffering and peace-loving” Poland occupied Czechoslovakia. Yes, yes, it was she who started that terrible massacre in Europe, which ended with Soviet tanks on the streets of Berlin. Hitler took the Sudetenland for himself, and Poland - the Tieszyn region and some settlements on the territory of modern Slovakia. Hitler then received at his complete disposal the best military industry in Europe of that time.
Germany also had at its disposal significant stocks of weapons from the former Czechoslovak army, which enabled the infantry divisions to be armed with 9. Before the attack on the USSR from the 21 tank division of the Wehrmacht 5 were equipped with Czechoslovak production tanks.
According to Winston Churchill, Poland "with the greed of hyena took part in the robbery and destruction of the Czechoslovak state."
The sixth fact. On the eve of World War II, Poland was far from the weakest state in Europe. She had a territory of almost 400000 square meters. km, which was inhabited by about 44 million people. Military treaties were concluded with England and France.
And so, when in the 1939 year, Germany demanded that Poland open a “Polish corridor” for it to access the Baltic Sea, and in return offered to extend the German-Polish friendship treaty for another 25 years, Poland proudly refused. As we remember, it took the Wehrmacht only two weeks to put the former ally on his knees. England and France did not use their fingers to save their ally.
The seventh fact. The introduction of the Red Army into the eastern regions of Poland on September 17, 1939 and into the Baltic countries in the summer of 1940 was not carried out under some terrible "secret pact" that no one had ever seen, but in order to prevent Germany from occupying these territories. Moreover, these actions strengthened the security of the USSR. The famous joint "parade" of Soviet and German troops is just a procedure for transferring Brest-Litovsk to units of the Red Army. The arrival of the Soviet reception contingent and some of the working moments of the transfer of the citadel can be seen thanks to the preserved photographs. Here the organized departure of German technology, there are photographs of the arrival of the Soviet, but there is not a single photograph that would capture their joint passage.
The eighth fact. In the very first days of the war, the Polish government and the president fled abroad, abandoning their people, their still fighting army, their country. So Poland did not fall, Poland self-destructed. The runaways, of course, organized a "government in exile" and for a long time dried their pants in Paris and London. Please note that when Soviet troops entered Poland, de jure states no longer existed. I would like to ask all those who are annoying about the Polish occupation by the Soviets: do you want the Nazis to come to these territories? To kill Jews there? To the border with Germany came close to the Soviet Union? Can you imagine how many thousands of people killed would have stood behind such a decision?
The ninth fact. Poland’s dreams of the colonies, of course, did not come true, but as a result of bilateral agreements with the Soviet Union, Poland received the eastern regions of Germany, which had a Slavic past, which make up a third of the current territory of Poland, as a post-war reparation. 100 thousand square kilometers!
According to estimates of the German economists in the postwar period, the Polish budget received only from the mineral deposits in these areas more than 130 billion. Dollars. This is about twice the size of Germany paid reparations in favor of Poland and compensation. Poland received deposits of hard and brown coal, copper ore, zinc and tin, which put it on par with the world's major earners of these natural resources.
Even more important was the receipt of the Warsaw coast of the Baltic Sea. If in 1939, Poland had 71 km. the sea coast, then after the war became 526 km. Poles and Poland are personally obliged to Stalin and the Soviet Union with all these riches.
The tenth fact. Today, Poland massively demolishes monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators and desecrates the graves of Soviet soldiers who died in battles for the liberation of Poland from the Nazis. And I’ll remind them that 660000 died. Even those monuments on which there are thankful inscriptions from Polish citizens to Soviet soldiers are demolished. Even those that were cast in the 45th year from the metal of German ammunition, specially brought from fallen Berlin.
Maybe enough to endure the annoying and arrogant neighbor who has finally lost touch with reality?

[Dr. Hub]

Reminds our scouts and their spies. Here we have a PARADE, and they have a paradise. What do we care about them at all? Let them want it, then do it.

[Dormidont]

Poland has ten of these independence