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Article 9. Sincerely striving for international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever reject war as the sovereign right of the nation, as well as the threat or use of armed force as a means of resolving international disputes.
2. To achieve the goal indicated in the previous paragraph, land, sea and air forces, as well as other means of war, will never be created in the future. The right to a state of war is not recognized.

Constitution of Japan


As noted on the official website of the Ministry of Defense of Japan, the refusal of war, as a means of international politics, does not deprive Japan of the right to self-defense, therefore, despite the strict restrictions enshrined in the Constitution, Japan has a large and well-equipped army. Many of the bans imposed on Japan after World War II are still in effect, although they are no longer being implemented as rigorously as before. Japan deprived of offensive weapons: bomber aviation, ballistic and tactical cruise missiles. There is still a ban on classic aircraft carriers - all the forces and means of the Naval Self-Defense Forces are focused on the tasks of air defense and anti-submarine defense. The operational codes of Japanese warships usually contain the letter D (defense - defense, English), but the Japanese fleet has sufficient capabilities to conduct military operations against ship groupings in order to gain dominance in the sea and ocean areas adjacent to the coast of the Japanese islands, blocking torrential zones of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, the Japanese and East China Seas, the implementation of amphibious landing operations and the provision of support to ground forces in coastal directions.

Japan's Ground Forces Self-Defense Forces is a modern army that is armed with 900 major military tanks, hundreds of artillery systems (including 155 mm self-propelled guns), multiple launch rocket systems, 80 Cobra and Apache attack helicopters. Experts note the high saturation of the army with anti-aircraft missile systems (from the Patriot long-range air defense systems to the Hawk and Stinger short-range air defense systems).

The Air Force Self-Defense includes 260 combat aircraft, including X-NUMX F-157J fighter jets (built under license in Japan). Much attention is paid to the tactics of aviation, the Air Force contains 15 DRLO aircraft, including 17 heavy aircraft of the Boeing E-4 radar patrol.
Due to the fact that in the 2007 year, the United States refused to sell the fifth-generation F-22 fighter to Japan, the Japanese military leadership decided to develop a fifth-generation Mitsubishi ATD-X.

Ships that surprised the world

Since its creation in 1952, the Japanese Self-Defense Forces slowly but steadily gained strength, becoming one of the most powerful military fleets in the world by the beginning of the XXI century. The naval force of the Self-Defense Forces includes 50 squadron destroyers and frigates of various types, 18 diesel engines, submarines, 5 landing ships, 7 missile boats, 80 anti-submarine aircraft R-3 "Orion", 4, E-aircraft ER-E-NNXXX, EB-E-NNXXX aircraft, EB-E-NNXXX, EB-XNXXX, EE aircraft, EN XXXX, anti-submarine aircraft, X-NUMX, Oriental, 3, 60, anti-aircraft -60J, 30 anti-submarine helicopters HSS-2B, 10 helicopters, minesweepers MH-53E, as well as 90 training aircraft.

At the beginning of the 70s, the composition of the Naval Self-Defense Forces of Japan was replenished with 2 unusual ships - destroyers of the Haruna type. It is difficult to say how the Japanese sailors were guided in choosing the appearance of the future destroyer - it could be purely practical considerations (the anti-submarine defense task then was very acute, given the number of submarines in the Pacific fleet Navy of the USSR). Or maybe the Japanese were nostalgic for the glorious times of Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, when his invincible aircraft carriers crushed the American fleet in a vinaigrette, inflicting severe wounds on the United States in Pearl Harbor, the Philippines and the Coral Sea. However, judge for yourself:



The armament of the new ship included a 2 highly automated 127 mm caliber artillery mounts deployed along a longitudinally elevated pattern in the nose of the destroyer (licensed copies of the American naval gun Mark 42 5 "/ 54, firing rate - 40 rpm / min.) Before rubbing an eight-charge launcher was installed to launch ASROC anti-submarine rocket-torpedoes, allowing to hit underwater targets with high accuracy at a distance of 9 km. To destroy submarines in the immediate vicinity of the ship, matrivalos having two triple torpedo 324 mm caliber (12,75 inches).

The destroyer stern looked really unusual - the rear part of the superstructure was a huge helicopter hangar, and the entire aft part turned into a spacious flight deck. On the ship could simultaneously be based three heavy anti-submarine helicopters "Sea King". Of the added amenities there was a substantial supply of aviation fuel and a wide range of ammunition for onboard helicopters. All the main tasks of the military service were assigned to rotary-wing machines, and not to rocket or artillery weapons, as was customary on other destroyers.



The helicopter destroyers of the Haruna type implemented a concept similar to the one adopted during the creation of the Soviet anti-submarine cruisers of the Moscow type (1123 project). Only with the difference that the Japanese ships were smaller in 3; Haruna’s full displacement was 6300 tons - like a large modern frigate.
Despite the strictly limited size, the Japanese engineers managed to achieve acceptable ride quality and ocean range. At full speed, the Haruna’s boiler-and-turbine plant produced a hp on the 70 000 shaft, accelerating a small ship to 32 nodes.

In 1986-1987, the ships were upgraded, during which anti-aircraft armament was installed - the eight-charge launcher of the SiSperrow and 2 anti-aircraft guns of the Phalanx. As a result, the Haruna turned into a truly balanced large anti-submarine ship.
Over the 30 years of combat service, both the Khun-type helicopter carrier destroyers proved to be reliable and efficient ships. At the beginning of the 80-s, 2 of the same class of ships of the same class were put into operation - the destroyers of the Sirane type, a modernized version of the Harun, similar in weaponry and size. Currently, Haruna and its Hiei sistership are excluded from the fleet and dismantled for metal.

"Peaceful Soviet tractor"

The experience gained in the creation of Haruna has not disappeared without a trace. 18 March 2009, the squadron destroyer of the “Hyuga” type entered into service (sometimes there is the “Hyuga”, here, alas, I am not strong in Japanese phonetics). The thunderbolt full displacement of 18 000 tons bashfully called a helicopter destroyer, although here the Japanese clearly bent. The dimensions and appearance of the “Hyuga” correspond more to the light aircraft carrier; this type of helicopter carrier became the first in the post-war stories Japanese warship with a solid flight deck. Many people point out that the dimensions of the Hughugi flight deck allow him (or her? Hyuga — the historical name of the Miyazaki prefecture) to take vertical takeoff and landing aircraft, such as the AV-8B Harrier II or the promising F-35B. The future will show how these statements are true; a dozen Harrier attack aircraft are based on ships of similar size, for example, the Italian light aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi.

On the other hand, dimensions cannot be decisive - according to the American DD (X) project, new Zamvold-type URO ships, with a total displacement of more than 13 000 tons are assigned to the class of destroyers. Soviet sailors of the Second World War would be very surprised to learn that their destroyer of the 7 project by modern standards is not a destroyer at all, but a corvette (displacement of 2500 tons). The increase in the size of destroyers is a constant process throughout the twentieth century (they started with the 400-ton destroyers of the Russo-Japanese War and finished the Orn Berkas 10 000). Therefore, we will leave the linguistic exercises on the Japanese conscience and will try to determine for ourselves who Hyouga really is.

Well-tailored ship 18 000 tons full displacement (standard displacement - 14 000 tons), with a solid flight deck and underdeck hangar, between which runs two lifts.
What can? Main weapon "Hyuugi" - his wing. Typical composition - 10 ... 15 helicopters, depending on the task. For example, in version seven of the anti-SH-60J "Seahawk", five heavy transport MH-53E "Super Stallion" and three MCH-101. All tasks for the detection and maintenance of submarines, and the defeat of surface and submarine targets are assigned to helicopters.
In addition, the helicopter carrier is equipped with a Mark-41 vertical launcher on 16 cells, each of which houses 4 anti-aircraft missiles RIM-162 ESSM (effective firing range - 50 km, ZUR speed - 4M), ideally - 64 ZUR for protection against airplanes and anti-ship missiles, but usually several cells are occupied by ASROC-VL anti-submarine rocket-torpedoes. Of the other self-defense systems on the "Hyuga", two anti-aircraft guns "Phalanx" and 324 mm anti-submarine torpedoes were installed.
All weapons are controlled by the OYQ-10 BIUS and FCS-3 radar with a phased array, which are the Japanese version of the Aegis system.

"Hyuga" is not a "killer of aircraft carriers" and is not created for World War I using nuclear weapons, but its weapons are fully capable of repelling any provocation by the DPRK or China. The Japanese themselves are positioning their “pseudo-avian carrier” as an anti-submarine ship of the ocean zone. The presence on board of a multifunctional CICS and command center means another mission of the destroyer-helicopter carrier - the flagship / control ship.

Of considerable interest is a comparison of the capabilities of the future Russian amphibious helicopter carrier Mistral (the first ship for the Pacific Fleet, the Vladivostok, has already been laid at the Saint-Nazaire shipyards). “Mistral” is more 21 000 tonnes versus 18 000 tonnes “Japanese”), however, the French-Russian and Japanese helicopter carriers are very similar to each other.
"The projection ship force" Mistral "was created to deliver personnel and equipment to the desired point on the globe, while the ship itself remains outside the zone of military operations, low combat stability does not allow the" Mistral "to approach close to shore - the landing force is carried ashore by amphibious boats and by helicopters, at this time the universal landing ship dock performs the functions of a command post of various types of landing forces, serves as a floating hospital and a base for attack helicopters.
The combat stability of the Japanese helicopter carrier is also low, however, it can act more decisively in the war zone due to the presence of a set of self-defense weapons and 1,5 times a higher speed of travel (it makes 30 nodes for Hyogo; while "Mistral" does not allow moving faster than 18 nodes).

From the strengths of the "Mistral" - the presence of a deck for armored vehicles (although it is designed for cars with a mass of no more than 32 tons and does not allow to take MBT). The future Russian ship is equipped with a docking chamber for receiving tank landing boats and high-speed means of delivering Marines personnel to the shore. There is nothing similar on the “Hyuga”, only helicopters are out of vehicles.
A major flaw in the Mistral is the absence of any serious means of self-defense - MANPADS and machine guns only protect the ship from primitive means of attack and saboteurs. On the other hand, negotiations are still under way on the supply, together with Mistral, of the promising combat information-control system “Zenit-9” of French production, which will give Russian developers direct access to the best world technologies in this field. New Russian missile systems "Caliber", "Redut", CRAB "Palash" are ready for serial production and their installation on the "Mistral" should not cause any problems, especially the "Mistral" is clearly to be a radical redesign of the project in connection with specific the conditions of the Russian Navy - ice reinforcement of the hull, the development of new lifting mechanisms and changing the openings of the lifts according to the weight and size characteristics of Russian helicopters; Uba. Of the other significant changes, the abandonment of the natural ventilation of the hangar deck (the North Sea people are clearly not happy about the openings on board the ship), which entails the creation of a forced ventilation system - very difficult on such a scale. In short, the Russian Mistral series will be seriously different from the original.

And what about the Japanese? In addition to the two Hugue-type helicopter destroyers in service, Japan is developing a new project, Heisei 22, an even larger aircraft carrier with a full displacement of 27 000 tons.
Specifically, there is little information on the Heisei 22 destroyer, it is only indicated that the ship will have a length of 248 meters, and on its decks 50 trucks and 400 paratroopers (or equivalent load) can be accommodated. Accordingly, the wing will increase.
A far from peaceful destroyer-helicopter carrier is being created in response to the appearance of plans by China for the creation of classic nuclear aircraft carriers. Japan has another serious adversary, the DPRK, which has repeatedly proved that it can move from threats to action. And, of course, Russia, with which Japan has an unresolved issue on the Northern Territories (the islands of the Kuril Ridge).

Russia is great, but there is no place to put a helicopter

Use the Japanese experience in creating light aircraft carriers for Russia is not acceptable. At a lower cost in 3, Hyuga is an order of magnitude inferior in terms of combat capabilities to large classic aircraft carriers - a small air group (10-15 machines), the absence of long-range radar detection aircraft, modest (compared to Nimitz) ammunition and aviation fuel stock make the idea "Light aircraft carrier" absolutely not attractive. Japan is forced to create such strange constructions - this is imposed on it by the restrictions set forth in the Constitution. Russia has no such prohibitions, so the construction of light aircraft carriers is not an effective way to spend money. And to develop an aircraft carrier fleet - only in the form of classical nuclear aircraft carriers.



On the other hand, in the concept of "helicopter destroyer" there is a rational grain. Many experts agree that the helicopters used as the main strike force of the Hyuuga give the ship increased flexibility in the use of its weapons, which most closely meets the requirements of modern conflicts. A helicopter destroyer can be used as an anti-submarine ship, fire at surface and ground targets, paratroop groups of special forces in the zone of military conflicts and cover them with fire, be used as a transport ship for the delivery of military and humanitarian supplies. Hyuga has great potential for conducting search and rescue operations, and the presence of helicopters of minesweepers on the wing of the wing allows the use of Hyuga as a mine-sweeper.

In the future, when creating new Russian warships of the “destroyer class” class, it may be worthwhile to take a closer look at Hugo and create something similar for the Russian Navy. The armament of the Russian destroyer can be rebalanced in the direction of increasing the role of rocket weapons and tactical cruise missiles (Japan has a problem with this - OTP is banned), while maintaining a numerous wing. The presence of several destroyers of this type in the composition of each of the fleets of the Russian Navy can significantly increase the power and flexibility of the use of military ships.

Samurai chooses a sword






Mark-41 Universal Launcher Cells



Anti-aircraft machine Mark-15 "Falanx" caliber 20 mm



To reduce the inertia of the installation, even the gear housing has been removed.



Lift



Helicopter hangar




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  1. Yarbay
    +7
    19 May 2012 08: 36
    History repeats itself !!
    Again, the Japanese have to beat!
    1. oiuy
      -12
      19 May 2012 12: 14
      And who, and what exactly will "beat" the Japanese? laughing
      1. +5
        19 May 2012 12: 43
        To hit Tokyo with missiles.
        1. +4
          19 May 2012 13: 10
          Not rockets, but a rocket (R-36M2) wink
          1. 11Goor11
            +4
            19 May 2012 18: 17
            NIGHTMARE! It is necessary to be friends of nations, why should offend civilians?
            1. +3
              19 May 2012 19: 48
              Can not be forced.
            2. +3
              20 May 2012 14: 07
              in Japan there are no people loyal to Russia, much less peaceful ......
              1. Korvin
                +2
                20 May 2012 18: 50
                All loyal families already live in the Kuril Islands laughing get out of the house more often
            3. Bashkaus
              +3
              20 May 2012 21: 12
              It must be necessary, but we are wild Muscovites - an evil empire, as it were, the situation obliges us. Likely we would be glad to leave peacefully, but somehow it doesn’t work out, our hands are itching to offend someone))))
              1. 11Goor11
                0
                20 May 2012 23: 44
                The bulk of people (generally all people) are only interested in their personal lives: seed, work, any hobbies.
                These are the civilians, it doesn't make them "good" or "bad"
                but with competent work with civilians (any) they can be made allies.
                _____________________________________________________________________
                "Well, if it didn't work out with PR, then of course only nuclear weapons remain"
                from these your stupid jokes somehow dreary at heart ..
        2. +1
          20 May 2012 14: 58
          Beat the cluster of nuclear plants and chemical plants. There they have a huge saturation of all this ... good
      2. 0
        20 May 2012 22: 42
        Quote: oiuy
        And who, and what exactly will "beat" the Japanese?

        Little Yoko coughing "Pershing - 2"
        Pressed the red button at the wing
        For a long time the Japanese could not understand
        What kind of fungus appeared in the distance?

        Well, "Iskander" is not a "Pershing" for you.
      3. Ataturk
        +4
        21 May 2012 02: 41
        I'll tell you one joke.

        In short ... a lesson in Literature ... everyone answers, and Petya swears and swears. The teacher made remarks so that Petka stopped cursing, but he kept cursing. In general, I could not stand it, yelled at him and said, I’ll come to your house in the evening, I will complain to your parents. And he says. Well, byX.
        In general, the teacher who is angry after school goes to Petka’s home, knocks on the door, opens the woman and asks, WHAT IS NECESSARY? And the teacher says hello, but forgive me, are you Mama Petit? And she answers: Me and what do you want? The teacher was bewildered by the tone of Mom, and says, I came to complain about your son. And mother says, you tell this kuynya go to the godfather, this kuynya is not interesting to me. He enters the apartment, knocks on the door of the room, enters, sees one man lying there, all dressed in tattoos ... bald as a ZEC and in a cowardly voice she speaks. Good deed, I came to complain about your son ... And he says, I need to X ... I have a complaint, go to X from here ... The teacher, all distraught, leaves the house, sees Petya coming ... and his little brother with him, 2-3 years from strength. She says oh Petya Petya, is this your brother? And he says yes my brother. And she with a smile, oh, how pretty and so small, probably there aren’t even any teeth ... and the boy with an angry face raises his gaze to the teacher, opens his mouth, and a small, single tooth sticks out in front and says ... hear, and that’s what ,, KUY DOG?))))))))))))))))))))

        when you write, do you think what you say?
        Quote: oiuy
        what exactly will "beat" the Japanese?


        so I’m answering you, but is that KUY DOG?

        1. Tram_ham
          -1
          21 May 2012 20: 33
          Make the world brighter if you can. It’s hard to shoot the damned West if your children study at Harvard and Putin’s beloved daughter lives in Munich
    2. saper
      +3
      19 May 2012 15: 06
      the main thing is not the history of 1905!
    3. Odesit
      +1
      19 May 2012 21: 06
      All right DEAR ALIBEK!
      We fill it to the fullest. Now it is not 1905, let the "cross-eyed" think about 1945. And amers will not help them, not that time! Let the "Toyota" churn out for our joy and keep silent, sticking their tongue in the ass !!!!
      1. saper
        0
        20 May 2012 15: 07
        to the joy and are silent, sticking their tongue in the ass !!!!,
        yes you old man homosexual tongue
    4. Korvin
      0
      20 May 2012 18: 54
      Are you an American, you can beat the weak? They have military equipment at the level of the 60s, with the exception of the mythical 5th generation aircraft, which will be covered after the next round of crisis. Here they will build some walkers like in their dreamy cartoons where they are strong and fearsome then scratch your fists.
      1. Tram boom
        -1
        20 May 2012 20: 32
        Quote: KORVIN
        Are you an American weak beat?


        Quote: KORVIN
        They have military equipment at the level of the 60s, with the exception of the mythical plane of the 5th generation, which will be covered after the next round of crisis.


        Japanese Navy:
        - 2 latest helicopter carriers (2009 and 2011)
        - 6 Missile destroyers with the Aegis system (type "Atagi" - 90 launchers, type "Congo" - 96 launchers
        - 40 destroyers and frigates of the 80s-90s
        - 80 anti-submarine aircraft "Orion"

        The composition of the Pacific Fleet of Russia:
        - 1 cruiser pr. 1164 "Varyag", old, like a mammoth gamno, built in 1982
        - 1 BOD Project 1155 (Shaposhnikov) - a ship from the 80s
        - squadron of anti-aircraft submarines, project 949A (pieces 3-4)
        - 5 old IL-38 anti-submarine aircraft

        4 submarines against 80 anti-submarine aircraft of the Japanese Navy angry

        Japanese Air Force - 157 F-15, two dozen AWACS aircraft and air command centers
        The Russian Air Force - officially 250 combat-ready Su-27s, of which there are a couple of dozen in the Far East, there are no AWACS aircraft and refueling aircraft in the Far East

        A TUSUSI POGrom WAS 100 YEARS BACK, THEREFORE, APPARABLY, IT HAS NOT TEACHED ANYTHING
        1. +1
          20 May 2012 22: 48
          Quote: Tram boor
          A TUSUSI POGrom WAS 100 YEARS BACK, THEREFORE, APPARABLY, IT HAS NOT TEACHED ANYTHING

          This is true, and after the victory, Admiral Togo's fleet returned to the metropolis. Now the metropolis will disappear, and the remnants of the fleet will have nowhere to return.
        2. SenyaYa
          0
          20 May 2012 23: 05
          You're right! I am also a patriot, but a non-idiot .... The only thing Russia can threaten with is Pony and this is nuclear weapons and strategic bombers ...
        3. Ataturk
          +3
          21 May 2012 02: 51
          Quote: Tram boor
          Japanese Navy:
          - 2 latest helicopter carriers (2009 and 2011)
          - 6 Missile destroyers with the Aegis system (type "Atagi" - 90 launchers, type "Congo" - 96 launchers
          - 40 destroyers and frigates of the 80s-90s
          - 80 anti-submarine aircraft "Orion"

          The composition of the Pacific Fleet of Russia:
          - 1 cruiser pr. 1164 "Varyag", old, like a mammoth gamno, built in 1982
          - 1 BOD Project 1155 (Shaposhnikov) - a ship from the 80s
          - squadron of anti-aircraft submarines, project 949A (pieces 3-4)
          - 5 old IL-38 anti-submarine aircraft

          4 submarines against 80 anti-submarine aircraft of the Japanese Navy

          Japanese Air Force - 157 F-15, two dozen AWACS aircraft and air command centers
          The Russian Air Force - officially 250 combat-ready Su-27s, of which there are a couple of dozen in the Far East, there are no AWACS aircraft and refueling aircraft in the Far East

          A TUSUSI POGrom WAS 100 YEARS BACK, THEREFORE, APPARABLY, IT HAS NOT TEACHED ANYTHING


          Yes, at least they will have 100 aircraft carriers.
          I heard a saying, there is no reception against LOMA. Here, get acquainted, this is the LOMA PANEL !!!!



          If I have not guessed what kind of panel, I can tell the consequences of this button. THIS IS KUZKIN'S MOTHER!



          I’m afraid after this button, if they don’t let GOD press, then about Japan we will talk about Atlantis about our grandchildren.
        4. kPoJluK2008
          +3
          21 May 2012 18: 03
          Everything is in the Far East! Do not drool!

          The Tsentralnaya-Uglovaya airfield alone has 30 Su-27SM and Su-30s and about 15 MiG-31Bs in combat condition. (MiG-31 and Su-30 will be AWACS for you)
          Vozdvizhenka airbase Su-25 in combat about 20, Su-27SM all in combat.
          Airbase "Khubra" Su-24MR, Su-24M, Su-24M2 (Su-24, he can be a tanker for you)

          Next to list? there Komsomolsk, Khabarovsk are available (from large)
          Far and anti-submarine has not yet written ...

          I am generally silent about the air defense system. After Moscow, it is the most reliable there ..
        5. Korvin
          +2
          21 May 2012 19: 35
          I don’t need to tell me why there’s not where I went on a business trip last year am There is everything there and something else that we will send there already this year. Yes, and the war there is in the minds of a couple of Tokkoy politicians and a dozen neo-fascist degenerates with white armbands who breathe in the good old imperial times and go to the Russian embassy to threaten with a fist with a brutal erysipelas (one They think that a real samurai should have such a face). So you don’t have to scare yourself with Tsushima, they are sensitively watching us there (mainly for amers) and everyone understands
  2. Knowing
    0
    19 May 2012 08: 49
    Quote: Yarbay

    History repeats itself !!
    Again, the Japanese have to beat!

    pffffffffff what story and what is going on
    1. Yarbay
      +7
      19 May 2012 08: 53
      Again wake up appetites in Japan !!
      Again begin to arm themselves on their heads!

      ** As noted on the official website of the Ministry of Defense of Japan, the refusal of war, as a means of international politics, does not deprive Japan of the right to self-defense, therefore, despite the strict restrictions enshrined in the Constitution, Japan has a large and well-equipped army **
      1. IGR
        IGR
        +6
        19 May 2012 09: 25
        As I understand it, there is no opposition in the article, but there is an analysis of what the self-defense forces have on the basis of the Constitution, and what Russia needs to have to stop this force vector. A sort of hidden plus Mistral.
        And to fight .... why? Recall Fukushima.
        1. EJIEKTPOBO3
          +4
          19 May 2012 12: 22
          Fukushima is a terrible weapon
        2. +1
          20 May 2012 14: 10
          given that, according to their textbooks, Russia bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, then Fukushima is the same Russian
      2. Redpartyzan
        +6
        19 May 2012 11: 58
        Not so long ago, it was widely believed that Japan was preparing for active hostilities against Russia. The current geopolitical situation only confirmed this. And the tsunami with Fukushima stopped them. Sooner or later, the beast will lick the wounds ...
        1. speedy
          +2
          20 May 2012 21: 17
          Japan is indeed a very vulnerable state, and the tsunami can happen again if the samurai decide again ...
    2. Bashkaus
      +1
      20 May 2012 21: 20
      Did you ask how the story repeats itself? I will tell you:

      On the night of May 8, 1939, a group of Japanese, before the platoon with a light machine gun, secretly attempted to occupy the island of the MPR in the middle of the Khalkhin Gol River. The armed conflict lasted from spring to autumn 1939 near the Khalkhin Gol River in Mongolia near the border with Manchuria (Manzhou- go), between the USSR and Japan. The final battle took place in late August and ended in the complete defeat of the 6th separate army of Japan. Everything was finished September 15, 1939

      if you still have any doubts, then still here:

      On August 8, 1945, the USSR declared to the Japanese ambassador about joining the Potsdam Declaration and declared war on Japan
      On August 9, at dawn, the USSR began military operations in Manchuria.
      On September 2, it was all over ... Japan signed an unconditional surrender. Actually, on that right, we own the Kuril Islands, if anyone still does not understand))))

      And if someone didn’t understand anything after that, and I have deep suspicions that it is so, well then it remains to conduct an extraordinary lesson in practice ((((
      1. Tram boom
        0
        20 May 2012 21: 30
        Given that on August 6 (2 days before the Victorious Soviet offensive), an atomic bombing of Hiroshima was carried out.

        and a little earlier, in 1942, the Japanese fleet died near Midway ...
        1. SenyaYa
          +1
          20 May 2012 23: 09
          And here I disagree, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima is certainly cool, but I can’t get the yapes out of it, and the rout of the most powerful group of the Quantum Army put the Japs on their knees
          1. Tram_ham
            -3
            20 May 2012 23: 42
            When they say that Japan was defeated by the USSR, that it was precisely the defeat of the strong Kwantung Army that brought Yap to its knees, our contribution is decisive, it only causes a feeling of nausea from the stupid cheers and patriotism of our fellow citizens


            In fact, Japan entered the war on December 7, 1941 and famously moved forward six months, until it got its teeth under Midway in June 1942, having lost 4 heavy aircraft carriers and the best pilots - a turning point in the war in the Pacific Ocean. Then there was a massacre, both sides suffered heavy losses. By the summer of 1945, after 4 years of war, Japan lost all its raw material bases in the Philippines, Southeast Asia and the islands in the Pacific Ocean, and lost all aviation and total of the fleet, the best generals (including Yamamoto) were killed, by this moment the super battleships Yamato and Musashi had gone to the bottom, the kamikaze period was ending - there were no planes left.

            America came close to the Japanese islands - landing was preparing. Japanese taught schoolchildren to attack American paratroopers with bamboo poles, preparing a new bloody massacre

            6 of August an atomic bomb falls on a tormented, but still not applicable, samurai country. Hiroshima is destroyed, the Japanese General Staff is already seriously thinking about surrender, the forces are too unequal, there is no point in resisting

            FINALLY, AUGUST 8, THE RED ARMY CONFLICTLY JOINS THE WAR WITH JAPAN and smashes the Kwantung Army, the Japanese are shocked and surrender to Soviet soldiers. What a jerk! laughing
            By the way, the Great Kwantung Army did not have combat aircraft and tanks, except for single copies. About this cheers patriots prefer not to tell.
            Quietly, the Kuril Islands are being occupied, knowing that Japan, exhausted and destroyed, will not be able to resist, even Soviet soldiers-liberators could not come across a kamikaze in battle.

            On August 9, the Americans bombarded Nagasaki, a few days later Japanese admirals and generals make themselves seppuku, the Emperor renounces his Divine status, hostilities cease on all fronts, a week later, on September 2, an American squadron enters Tokyo Harbor, aboard the battleship Missouri. the act of surrender is signed.

            It would seem, where does the Red Army? laughing Entering the war is a vile violation of the agreement on mutual non-aggression of April 19, 1941 between the USSR and Japan.
            Japan kept her word, in the most difficult times she did not attack the USSR. Stalin vilely stabbed in the back of a wounded neighbor fighting on another front in the ocean
            1. 0
              20 May 2012 23: 45
              Yes, of course, everything was decided by the American vigorous bomb, yeah.

              and about the entry of the USSR into the war with Japan, these were just the conditions of the Americans. And there are no eternal friends --- or you console yourself with the hope that Hitler would take Moscow to 1941 to maintain neutrality, or whatever.

              The need for Tokyo bombing has been mixed and controversial. General Curtis LeMay later stated: “I think if we lost the war, then I would be tried as a war criminal” [4]. However, he believes that the bombing saved many lives, pushing Japan to surrender. He also believes that if the bombing continued, a ground invasion would no longer be necessary, since by then Japan would have suffered enormous damage. Historian Tsuyoshi Hasegawa in Racing the Enemy (Cambridge: Harvard UP, 2005) argues that the main reason for surrender was not atomic strikes and bombardment by incendiary shells of Japanese cities, but the Soviet attack, which terminated the neutrality pact between the USSR and Japan and the fear of the Soviet invasion .

              In Tokyo, there is a memorial complex dedicated to the bombing, a museum, as well as several monuments. Photo exhibitions are held annually in the exhibition halls. In 2005, a ceremony was held in memory of the victims, where two thousand people who witnessed the bombing were present, and Prince Akishino - the grandson of Emperor Hirohito

              1. Tram_ham
                0
                21 May 2012 00: 07
                Quote: Kars
                Yes, of course, everything was decided by the American vigorous bomb, yeah.


                All decided 4 years of war in the Pacific The Japanese faltered and fled from the Soviet soldiers-liberators. Before that, they sunbathed in the Philippines, Midway and Santa Cruz for 4 years.

                Sorry, I read Wikipedia inattentively. The Soviet offensive began on August 9, AFTER the time when vigorous bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                I would love to see how the valiant Soviet soldiers would land on the Kuril Islands under Yamato fire, and the Pacific Fleet sailors sank Japanese aircraft carriers on their rusty destroyers
                1. Eugene
                  +1
                  21 May 2012 00: 35
                  Quote: Tram_ham
                  The Soviet offensive began on August 9, AFTER the time when vigorous bombs fell on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

                  Not really. The offensive began at dawn, despite the fact that the assault groups that were instructed to undermine the bunkers came up to them under cover of night with heavy rainfall, the offensive did not begin with art preparation as usual, they decided to make a surprise :) And the war was declared on the 8th in the evening.
                  In addition, do you think to your wife that if on May 6 the United States dropped the "Kid" on Nagasaki, then the USSR in 2 days transferred more than a million army to the borders of Manchuria and planned an operation? :)

                  Quote: Tram_ham
                  I would love to see how the valiant Soviet soldiers would land on the Kuril Islands under Yamato fire, and the Pacific Fleet sailors sank Japanese aircraft carriers on their rusty destroyers

                  And I would have watched how American soldiers died in the trenches of Stalingrad, laid secret gates at night during Operation Bagration ...
                  Everything has its time and place. The Americans fought the hardest war on the sea, we are even more on land.
                2. +1
                  21 May 2012 09: 29
                  Quote: Tram_ham
                  The Soviet offensive began on August 9, AFTER


                  And how much do you think the troops had to be transferred? Or do you think that I-nki warned Stalin about the dates of the bombing?
                  Quote: Tram_ham
                  how valiant Soviet soldiers would land on the Kuril Islands under Yamato fire, and Pacific Fleet sailors on their rusty destroyers sank Japanese aircraft carriers

                  But all these devices of the Kwantung group would help a little.
                  Quote: Tram_ham
                  Before this 4 year, they sunbathed in the Philippines, Midway and Santa Cruz.

                  These are their personal problems of the 4 of the USSR. I honestly kept my word about neutrality. wassat
                  1. Tram_ham
                    -1
                    21 May 2012 19: 40
                    Kars, there is no need to pervert the facts. You yourself say nonsense, ascribe them to me and argue with them yourself "Yes, of course everything was decided by the American vigorous bomb, yeah." No.

                    Everything was decided by the four-year war in the Pacific Ocean and this is impossible to refute

                    Quote: Kars
                    But all these devices of the Kwantung group would help a little.

                    Why is the Kwantung grouping the basis of the power of the Japanese Empire ?!
                    Japan could well live without Manzhou-Guo; until 1944 it had huge possessions in Southeast Asia, right up to Singapore.
                    For the USSR, Japan was an "unsinkable aircraft carrier", the Red Army was powerless to win a one-on-one war with Japan. Only the most powerful US fleet could turn the head of the samurai

                    The text of the Japanese War Program, with the "honorable death of 100 million" found? No more whining about the bombing of Tokyo and Hiroshima?
              2. Tram_ham
                -2
                21 May 2012 00: 52
                In Hiroshima, a memorial was erected for the dead, people from all over the world pay tribute there to the memory of the fallen and experience the "atrocity of the Americans."

                In fairness, an obelisk with the text adopted by the Japanese Supreme Council for the management of the war on June 8, 1945, should be established next to it. Programs of warfare, which allowed the "honorable death of one hundred million," but not surrender. As a reminder of what those two atomic bombs saved from Japan.
            2. Eugene
              +1
              21 May 2012 00: 06
              Quote: Tram_ham
              By the way, the Great Kwantung Army did not have combat aircraft and tanks, except for single copies. About this cheers patriots prefer not to tell.
              Quietly, the Kuril Islands are being occupied, knowing that Japan, exhausted and destroyed, will not be able to resist, even Soviet soldiers-liberators could not come across a kamikaze in battle.

              Yes, only there are almost no roads for maneuver (from the side of Vladivostok) And from the territory of Mongolia there are continuous mountains and passes, which also does not greatly contribute to advancement. Not to mention that on the border there were (just in the direction of few roads) one continuous fortified areas.
              1. Tram_ham
                -2
                21 May 2012 00: 20
                The most significant forces of the Kwantung Army - until ten infantry divisions - stationed in the east of Manchuria, bordering Soviet Primorye, where the First Far Eastern Front was stationed as part of
                31 rifle divisions, cavalry divisions, mechanized corps and 11 tank brigades.
                In the north of Manchuria, the Japanese held one infantry division and two brigades against the Second Far Eastern Front, consisting of 11 rifle divisions, 4 rifle and 9 tank brigades. In the west of Manchuria, the Japanese deployed 6 infantry divisions and one brigade - against 33 Soviet divisions, including two tank divisions, two mechanized corps, a tank corps and six tank brigades. In central and southern Manchuria, the Japanese held several more divisions and brigades, as well as both tank brigades and all combat aircraft.

                It should be noted that the tanks and planes of the Japanese army in 1945 according to the criteria of that time cannot be called obsolete. They approximately corresponded to the Soviet tank and aviation equipment of the 1939 model. According to the assessment given in the journal of military operations of the Trans-Baikal Front troops, "Japanese tanks are of a backward design, low-powered and cannot even be compared with our light tanks" [. This also applies to Japanese anti-tank guns, which had a caliber of only 37 and 47 millimeters - that is, suitable for fighting only with light Soviet tanks. H
            3. Eugene
              +2
              21 May 2012 00: 51
              Quote: Tram_ham
              When they say that Japan was defeated by the USSR, that it was the defeat of the strong Kwantung Army that brought the Yapes to their knees, our contribution is decisive

              It depends on what the word decisive means.
              Let's imagine the situation - there was no defeat of the Kwantung army (by the way, this is the wrong name) that we have - about 1 million soldiers in Sakhalin, Manchuria and the Kuril Islands Despite the fact that there were explosions in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and, before that, the usual bombs in Tokyo were killed more than in Nagasaki) the United States would most likely have required a landing operation and not the fact that everything would have gone like Omaha Beach. Definitely the United States would win, but a little later. And the simultaneous psychological impact of nuclear explosions and the defeat of large forces in such a short period of time, finally put Japan on its knees, and if you look at the facts, how do you like in chronological order, it turns out that the Kwantung operation was the last, where the Japanese realized that the war they certainly won’t pull from the USSR either, therefore they surrendered. In this case, this defeat for Japan became what is called the last straw in the Guadalcanal, Midway, burnt cities - that is, decisive.
              1. Tram_ham
                -3
                21 May 2012 00: 57
                Quote: Eugene
                It depends on what the word decisive means.


                Objectively, by August 9, 1945, Japan was breathing incense. The intervention of the USSR did not solve anything

                Quote: Eugene
                Despite the fact that there were explosions in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and, before that, more were killed with conventional bombs in Tokyo than in Nagasaki)


                Dear humanist, you are familiar with the text of the criminal war program adopted by the Japanese Supreme Council on War Management on June 8, 1945, which allowed “an honorable death of one hundred million,” but not surrender. As a reminder of what those two atomic bombs saved from Japan.

                Quote: Eugene
                In this case, this defeat for Japan became what is called the last straw in the Guadalcanal, Midway, burnt cities - that is, decisive.


                The help of the USSR was needed by the Allies on August 5. A day after Hiroshima, nothing was required of the Soviet side.
                The Japanese elite realized that there was no point in fighting anymore. American generals realized that a stony landing in Japan is not needed - it’s enough to repeat Hiroshima a couple of times. FINALLY, on August 9, Soviet troops advanced for their share of production.
                1. M. Peter
                  0
                  22 May 2012 12: 14
                  Tram_ham what happened near the Khalkhin Gol River in 1939, wasn’t Japan defeating the USSR?
            4. M. Peter
              0
              22 May 2012 12: 09
              Quote: Tram_ham
              In fact, Japan entered the war on December 7, 1941 ... more

              Dear, and you yourself do not remind yourself what else Zhukov is famous for? Or how did a song appear with the words: And the samurai flew to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire ... Khalkhin What does he say to you?
              However, all this happened before the nuclear bombing and before the Americans defeated them, and so much so that even at the worst peak for the USSR, Japan did not cross the border in the Far East, although Hitler did not persuade them as soon as possible.
  3. Volkhov
    +6
    19 May 2012 09: 01
    To land advanced groups on the Kuril Islands and prepare lanes for landing transporters.
  4. ANTURAG
    +6
    19 May 2012 09: 08
    Sincerely striving for international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounces war as the sovereign right of a nation

    They apparently wrote their constitution in a rush, just described after the states used nuclear weapons. And then they moved away from shock)
    1. +5
      19 May 2012 09: 24
      dear American comrades wrote this Constitution to them!
      1. Yarbay
        +2
        19 May 2012 09: 35
        Whoever writes, I think they wrote correctly!
      2. snek
        +4
        19 May 2012 16: 38
        Quote: Civil
        dear American comrades wrote this Constitution to them!

        Exactly. No country can at its own will "renounce war as the sovereign right of the nation." Now the States, which are the guarantors of Japan's protection, are weakening at the same time, China is rapidly gaining strength, which, firstly, is closer to Japan, and secondly, historically does not like it. So the desire of the Japanese to develop their own armed forces and navy is understandable.
    2. Bashkaus
      0
      20 May 2012 21: 33
      It would not have them a second time to crap one's pants (((
    3. 0
      20 May 2012 22: 52
      Quote: ANTURAG
      just described after the use of nuclear weapons by the states.

      No need to make Russia angry, otherwise next time in Japan there will be no one to describe.
  5. +3
    19 May 2012 10: 04
    The author forgot to point out that the F-35B could be based on the Hyuga.
    1. +7
      19 May 2012 11: 49
      Actually, I didn’t forget:

      Many people point out that the size of the Hyuuga's flight deck allows him ... to accept vertical takeoff and landing aircraft such as the AV-8B Harrier II or the promising F-35B. The future will show how these statements are true ...
  6. +1
    19 May 2012 10: 13
    Quote: Yarbay
    Whoever writes, I think they wrote correctly!
    - We are waiting for the denunciation of the provisions of the Constitution as a signal. As the Yapis denounce, everything is clear - you need to prepare for the worst and not repeat the mistakes of 5 years of the last century. Send a knockout immediately without hesitation. Successfully send - another seventy years calm down.
    1. Yarbay
      +3
      19 May 2012 14: 08
      Aksakal!
      I am afraid that they will not officially denounce the provision of the Constitution!
      And gradually they will bypass it as Germans of the Treaty of Versailles!
      And officially announced when they are confident in their abilities
      1. snek
        +1
        19 May 2012 16: 40
        Quote: Yarbay
        I hope that they will not officially denounce the provision of the Constitution! And they will gradually circumvent it as the Germans did the Treaty of Versailles! And they will officially announce when they are confident in their abilities

        Now the world is a little different. Japan’s military spending is quite transparent - they cannot build up a huge army in the country. Well, to have an army is their right. Won Germany has long been possessed of full-fledged armed forces.
        1. Yarbay
          0
          21 May 2012 00: 26
          Dear Nikolai!
          The world has become even worse than it was then!
          Claims to the website of the Ministry of Defense of Japan

          ** As noted on the official website of the Ministry of Defense of Japan, the refusal of war, as a means of international politics, does not deprive Japan of the right to self-defense, therefore, despite the strict restrictions enshrined in the Constitution, Japan has a large and well-equipped army *
          Could !!!!
          But plus theoretically, you are all correctly speaking not only in this comment!
    2. Bashkaus
      +1
      20 May 2012 21: 35
      Yes, you all can’t get away with the 5th year, we also stuck them well then, and the fact that in the end the garbage came out is purely because of our internal problems at that time. We have already corrected this mistake twice in the 39th and 45th years! ))))
  7. +5
    19 May 2012 10: 14
    To call the Japanese army and especially the defensive fleet, the language does not turn
    1. +5
      19 May 2012 13: 13
      The same situation with the IDF
    2. snek
      +4
      19 May 2012 16: 43
      Quote: andrey586
      To call the Japanese army and especially the defensive fleet, the language does not turn

      There is no such thing as a "defensive army". The army is an instrument of both defense and offensive.
  8. 755962
    +9
    19 May 2012 10: 32
    The ship is magnificent. Well, if that ....
    A powerful group of Russian aircraft in February 2012 completed a flyby of Japanese airspace in the area of ​​the Hokkaido and Honshu islands. The group included two strategic bombers of the Russian Air Force Tu-95MS, two front-line reconnaissance aircraft Su-24, and an A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft. They took off for combat patrol from the Ukrainka air base in the Far East. In certain areas of the flight, bombers were accompanied by Su-27 fighters.
    Our strategic bombers did not fly at all in order to fight fighters. If necessary, they will launch their cruise missiles with nuclear warheads a thousand kilometers from the target, and Japan will not be in 20 minutes. Here the fact itself is important that we again appear in the airspace over the Pacific Ocean. In general, we must do the same as the Americans, who do what they want.
    Vice President of the College of Military Experts, retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov
  9. Vito
    +4
    19 May 2012 10: 59
    The author of the article is a huge plus! DEAR OLGA KAPTSOV, I read and viewed your creation with great pleasure, please us with your articles analyzing foreign shipbuilding and beyond, the photos and technical data and your personal analysis made a very positive impression on me, I hope to read your further publications. Sincerely, Vladimir!
  10. ak_12
    +1
    19 May 2012 11: 59
    Russia needs an elongated Mistral (which is possible due to the modular architecture of the original project) with a power plant configured according to the CODLAG scheme and providing a 28-30 nodal full speed, a springboard, an aerofinisher and the possibility of basing MiG-29K fighters. At 245-255 meters in maximum length and 28-30 thousand tons of displacement, everything should fit. For one, not two, but three DKVPs, or six Project 11770 air-cavity landing craft will fit into the extended dock chamber.
    1. +6
      19 May 2012 12: 19
      This is a notoriously rotten path. The "Extended Mistral" will cost as much as half of a heavy nuclear aircraft carrier, but it will be an order of magnitude inferior to it in terms of combat capabilities - the air wing 15-20 MiG-29 versus 60-70 Nimitz aircraft, AWACS aircraft are absent, the speed is only 18 knots, the fuel supply and ammunition - several times less

      And against whom to use such a trough?
      1. IGR
        IGR
        0
        19 May 2012 12: 24
        answer on the surface: Mistral for the Black_ Mediterranean Sea (with an eye on the Persian Gulf?)
        1. +2
          19 May 2012 12: 42
          Quote: IGR
          Mistral for Black

          But this is a very long way. smile Much faster by air from Severomorsk via Brazil

          Quote: IGR
          (with an eye on the Persian Gulf?)

          So what will the "extended Mistral" do there with a speed of 18 knots and with 15 MiG-29s on board?
          1. IGR
            IGR
            +3
            19 May 2012 14: 22
            Oleg! Why is a littoral helicopter carrier landing in the open ocean? If only to reach Kunashir or to Poti (Trabzon).
            The concept of an ocean strike fleet was implemented by the "stupid" Americans 60 years ago. With our open spaces "from Severomorsk to Brazil"You can do with strategic bombers. And I think it is stupid to castrate the idea of ​​a large aircraft carrier if you need a constant presence of an aviation group somewhere near Diega Garcia."
            1. +2
              19 May 2012 15: 21
              I have the same opinion. There was a whole article on this subject - http://topwar.ru/14377-kto-silnee-aviaciya-vvs-ili-aviaciya-vmf.html
              It turns out that even a few heavy aircraft carriers cannot solve anything in a local operation similar to Desert Storm. We have to attract "land" aviation and drag tanks across half the globe

              Quote: IGR
              Why is a littoral helicopter carrier landing in the open ocean?

              "Mistral" is not a littoral helicopter carrier, it is still a ship of the far ocean zone with a cruising range of 11 miles

              Quote: IGR
              if you need a constant presence of an aviation group somewhere near Diego Garcia.

              laughing What is the meaning of such an operation? Russia has neither economic nor political interests in Diegga Garcia. Modern ICBMs do not need to be based in Cuba, and no one wants to feed the next islander loafers. All economic interests of Russia are in the inner regions of Eurasia, so 1 / 6 swallowed part of the land laughing
              1. +1
                19 May 2012 15: 24
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                It turns out that even a few heavy aircraft carriers cannot solve anything in a local operation similar to Desert Storm. We have to attract "land" aviation and drag tanks across half the globe


                I wonder if you really think so, or are you ironic?
              2. IGR
                IGR
                +1
                19 May 2012 18: 19

                so more clearly. Thanks to Alexander Terentyev Jr.
      2. ak_12
        +2
        19 May 2012 13: 49
        The BPС 214.5 extended to 250 meters was not offered by the French to the Australians at the price of half of the nuclear aircraft carrier. And the Spanish 230.8 meter BPE with a combined diesel-gas turbine power plant did not cost the Australians at such a price. Why did you decide that the lengthened UDC based on the French project is needed by the Russian Navy instead of, and not together with the nuclear aircraft carrier? I have already written about the course: "with a power plant according to the CODLAG scheme providing 28-30 nodal full speed". As you know, it is this kind of power plant used by the Spaniards. They added one GE LM 2500 turbine to the diesel engines and provided 21.5 knots at full displacement and 24 knots in the light aircraft carrier version (with a displacement reduced to 24 thousand tons). We would put two turbines, and "azipods" of greater power, there would be 28-30 nodal speed.
        1. +3
          19 May 2012 14: 37
          Quote: ak_12
          The French extended to 214.5 meters of BPS 250 by Australians are by no means at the price of half a nuclear carrier

          The exact figures are as follows: according to the contract signed in June 2011, the construction of the first Mistral-class universal amphibious assault ship will cost the Russian treasury 720 million eurosecond - in 650 million euro.
          1dollar = 1,3 euros, hence the cost of each of the ships is 1 billion dollars. Without weapons, CIUS and radio electronics - an empty box with an engine

          Quote: ak_12
          Why did you decide that an extended UDC on the basis of the French project is needed by the Russian Navy instead, and not together with a nuclear aircraft carrier?

          In fact, neither one nor the other is needed - they will have nowhere to apply.
          Everything is complicated by the fact that there is an unarmed and very expensive Mistral, and the aircraft carrier is not visible in the near future

          Quote: ak_12
          They added one GE LM 2500 turbine to the diesel engines and provided 21.5 knots at full displacement and 24 knots in the light aircraft carrier version (with a displacement reduced to 24 thousand tons). We would have installed two turbines, and "azipods" of greater power, there would be 28-30 nodal speed.

          Here you need to count. It may be worth replacing Azipods with traditional movers. Propeller shafts are not suitable for high speeds.

          As for the capabilities of the "lengthened Mistral", I have already said - as an aircraft carrier it is useless: only 15-20 Mig-29s, low combat load of vehicles due to the absence of catapults, the absence of AWACS aircraft, smaller reserves of aviation fuel
          1. IGR
            IGR
            0
            19 May 2012 14: 51
            stand in solidarity smile
          2. ak_12
            +1
            19 May 2012 16: 15
            the cost of each ship is $ 1 billion. Without weapons, CIUS and radio electronics - an empty box with an engine


            http://www.itar-tass.com/c154/274014.html

            "The contract is estimated at 1.2 trillion euro... France will transfer a number of sensitive technologies to Russia along with Mistral ships to be purchased by Russia, including the SENIT-9 tactical combat information system installed on the helicopter carriers. ".

            In fact, neither one nor the other is needed - they will have nowhere to apply.


            The decisions of the military-political leadership on this issue are known: the Mistrals have been bought, the aircraft carrier project is being developed, NITKA is being completed in Yeisk - that means they are needed.

            unarmed and very expensive Mistral


            DVKD built according to the French project for the Russian Navy will be well armed with domestic missile systems. These are the problems of the French that they did not have enough money to install the VL Mica and Tetral air defense systems on the Mistral, Tonner and Dixmud. "Very expensive" is the "San Antonio", the "Mistral" today has a price similar to that of the Project 22350 frigate.

            Propeller shafts are not suitable for high speeds.


            Suitable. Watch the 30-knot 2-deck Queen Mary XNUMX cruise ship from Alstom:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Queen_Mary_2

            As for the capabilities of the "lengthened Mistral", I have already said - as an aircraft carrier it is useless: only 15-20 MiG-29


            About the same (and often much less) VTOL AV-8B is placed on the American UDC type "Wasp". Watch how the AV-8B was used from the deck of the UDC Bataan in March 2003, or from the deck of the UDC Kearsarge in March 2011:

            "As of March 20, AV-8B Harrier II attack aircraft from the LHD Kearsarge have been reported attacking Libyan targets as part of Operation Odyssey Dawn."

            The command of the U.S. ILC is going to use the UDC decks for the base of fighter jets in the future.

            The MiG-29K is capable of taking off from a springboard with a take-off mass of 17700 kg with a take-off distance of 105 m and a take-off mass of 22400 kg (maximum take-off weight) with a take-off distance of 195 m.
      3. +2
        19 May 2012 16: 18
        First of all, Russia needs a strong Pacific fleet, so that even the Japanese have no idea to peer into our territories !!
        1. Tram boom
          -5
          19 May 2012 20: 14
          Quote: altman
          First of all, Russia needs a strong Pacific fleet, so that even the Japanese have no idea to peer into our territories !!


          BAHAHAHAHAHA laughing
          67% of the population of the Far East are ready voluntarily become part of Japan. Everything is correct - what for them Moscow and the Great National Leader 10000 km away, if across the strait there is a prosperous Japan, which feeds them and supplies them with everything they need. The Moscow authorities only interfere by sucking money from the region and are trying to impose silly laws like "banning the right-hand drive" (Support Avtovaz to bleat!).

          Strong Pacific Fleet wanted laughing First, build a direct highway Moscow-Vladivostok, then there will be a conversation about some Kuril Islands
          1. +1
            19 May 2012 20: 33
            it’s a pity that people began to measure everything only with the amount of money and grub !!
            ready to become Japanese .. what .. let them be ... Japanese .. And I would advise you to go to America !! there pay more to the Jews ..
            1. staser
              +2
              19 May 2012 22: 07
              The point is not only in money, but in the fact that Moscow has a drum in the province. I understand that selling for money is a crime, but selling people for money (you can't call it another!) Is no less a crime !!!!!!!
              As in one song (like Gazmanov sang):
              "How can you win
              If it's easy to buy us
              How can we win
              If we are easy to SELL "
          2. Bashkaus
            +1
            20 May 2012 21: 43
            Opa! what kind of people appeared. Unfortunately I can’t tell you anything new, everything that I think about you, you have already heard many times. I won’t repeat myself ...
          3. SenyaYa
            0
            20 May 2012 23: 13
            Right again! I can’t tolerate the snickering Muscovites, who, apart from perRRdezh in the office, do not produce anything.
  11. +3
    19 May 2012 12: 11
    Breaking bans is an old story.
    According to the Washington Naval Agreement (1922), the displacement of the Italian heavy cruiser Zara was not to exceed 10 tons. During the Spanish Civil War, the cruiser was damaged and went for urgent repairs to British Gibraltar, but did not fit into the 000-ton dock
    facepalm /
  12. +1
    19 May 2012 12: 34
    Good article. Great photo. The "potential partner" must be taken. And sometimes this partner is reminded of who he is and why Japan still exists. Otherwise, in fact, you will have to look for an eraser in order to erase the country of unstoppable Fukushima.
    1. Tan_Ling
      0
      15 July 2012 19: 15
      I would certainly like Japan to be a "potential ally".
  13. -4
    19 May 2012 15: 06
    while we have with Japan 1: 1 for those who have forgotten ...
    1. +1
      20 May 2012 15: 39
      For those who have forgotten, Japan is in debt to us. And no need to mention the 1905 year. There, as always, the whole Anglo-Saxon world and its hangers-on fought against Russia. So now, the fate of Japan is reduced to the level of the tribaltics. He also barks at the direction of the Washobcom.
    2. Bashkaus
      0
      20 May 2012 21: 45
      Actually, we are 2: 1 apart from Fukushima;)
  14. +2
    19 May 2012 20: 01
    perfect cleanliness on the ship)
  15. +2
    19 May 2012 22: 27
    The Mistral itself is important as a platform for innovation. Otherwise, for the defense capability of Russia, it would be enough to exaggerate the aviation component of the Armed Forces.
  16. needles
    0
    20 May 2012 04: 47
    Previously, when Migari and Sushki constantly flew over Sakhalin, it was somehow calm, now in the afternoon you will not see a single plane over the island with fire, if you do not take the constant TU 95 flights to the Pacific Ocean, and single stray MiGs from Komsomolsk on the Amur. They destroyed and removed from Sakhalin the entire aviation group and air defense systems left one surveillance system and radar anguish ... The plane will fall into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and you will save the pilot's hell in such water +5 +10, one continuous chatter and an artillery and machine gun division on the Kuril Islands with machine guns "Maxim" is ridiculous ... and it is not clear that we puff out our cheeks.
    1. Bashkaus
      0
      20 May 2012 21: 46
      But what kind of "poplar alley" we have;)
  17. CARBON
    +1
    20 May 2012 10: 54
    The MiG-29K is a very promising aircraft, with such a backlog you can reign over the Pacific Theater for another 50 years belay
    if you build normal ships, normal in the universal sense, and not a mixture of porcupine and raccoon. Cross the landing ship dock
    with an aircraft-carrying cruiser a la "Kuznetsov", stuff it with anti-ship missiles and more
    and get again the super ship unparalleled in the world.

    The combat stability of any unarmored ship filled with fuel and ammunition is close to zero. More or less, faster or slower is not very important. 18 knots are enough to swim near the coast, less fuel will eat, and 16 or 64 missiles will not save HUGU or IZU from a massive attack. DO NOT think that these "THE ESSENTIALS"harder than Princeton or Zuikaku"
  18. CARBON
    0
    20 May 2012 11: 39
    Strengthening the Pacific Fleet or rebirth is necessary, Mistral is very suitable for this role.
  19. Bashkaus
    +2
    20 May 2012 21: 10
    We know yours:
    renunciation of war as a means of international politics does not rob Japan of the right to self-defense
    Tomorrow hours that way without three minutes 4 in the morning in Moscow, i.e. across Kamchatka, from the fog that covered the Pacific Ocean, you suddenly hear the distant BANZAI of the first wave of Japanese landing with the very same 900 MBTs under the growing whistle of 155mm SPG shells falling on the heads of border guards and harsh artillery support both from the sea and the air. After another 3 minutes, in the news block of the Air Force, the SRI and Euronews correspondents, as one, will begin to report to the whole world with the mark "lightning" that Hirohito has made a decision
    to start a military special operation to liberate "the northern territories illegally occupied by Muscovites" To be honest, the main thing is that they sincerely believe that these are their territories and they need to be liberated, but international law? "The United States will divorce by concept"
    Though kill, I do not believe the Japanese.
    1. Tram boom
      -1
      20 May 2012 21: 27
      Quote: Bashkaus
      Though kill, I do not believe the Japanese.


      Believe me, do not believe it, but at the moment nothing depends on Russia. Japan will develop us as puppies if circumstances require
      1. Setevik
        +2
        20 May 2012 22: 12
        Frankly, I doubt it.
        Japan can spoil the "blood", but no more.
        The Strategic Missile Forces and China are additional "unknowns" ....
        In the Ocean, yes, Japan, maybe it will move us. What next?.... No.
      2. SenyaYa
        0
        20 May 2012 23: 17
        The Pacific Fleet understands that it’s not worth taking into account, but nuclear weapons and Strategists ... I understand, of course, that the Tu95 bucket is still there, but it can pull a bucket for a 2500 km rocket or even 10
  20. Setevik
    +1
    20 May 2012 22: 09
    Quote: oiuy
    And who and what exactly will "beat the Japanese"

    Do you want to hit first? ...
  21. +1
    21 May 2012 14: 30
    A question for the adherents of the nuclear strike, but will there be political will to deliver it?
  22. Tan_Ling
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    15 July 2012 18: 58
    the problem of the Imperial Army and the Japanese Navy was the antiquated thinking and propaganda of the "spirit of Yamato", Tojo Hideaki, who actually ruled the country, introduced it to World War II, the IJN and his commanders were against the war in China and then the war with the United States, the first to speak about this was Yamamoto Isoroku who was the main opponent of Tojo, and some IJA generals were against these conflicts among them was Kuribayashi Tadamichi who covered himself with glory defending Iwo Jima where he died as a hero. There has long been a dispute between the IJN and the IJA about joining the war, in fact, the militarists from the IJA and the government sign a tripartite pact.
    There will be no repetition of the story, although I personally hope that the shameful 9th ​​article will be removed in Japan.
    The Japanese will not start new warriors, at the moment there is a re-equipment of JSDF and a transition to new technology of their own design (type 10 to replace type 74 and type 90, ATD-X as a 5th generation fighter for JASDF, as well as JNSDF will rearm .).

    no one thought that a nuclear strike on Japan would cause a chain reaction? Ever thought that a nuclear strike would catch both the PRC and Korea, and actually you?
    any ballistic missile flying over the Pacific Ocean will be immediately noticed by missile defense systems of more than five countries and will be regarded as a threat.
    think carefully before you say something stupid.
  23. Kostya pedestrian
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    8 August 2014 03: 45
    And what about 2014? The Son of Man drove out these pigs into the sea, so that our head would not be fooled! And again they wanted to land. Sush (B) eating?

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