The open sky contract is frozen. Another US lunge

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On the eve of the United States re-enabled their American logic, as evidenced by Washington’s decision to suspend for the time being cooperation with Moscow within the framework of the Open Skies Treaty signed in 1992 year.

For reference: The countries parties to the Open Skies Treaty have the right to conduct observation flights over each other’s territories in order to monitor military activity. At the same time on board such an aircraft should not be any weapons. Before flights, any observation aircraft must undergo an international certification. According to the contract, on board should be representatives of the country over whose territory the flight takes place.



The open sky contract is frozen. Another US lunge


The blame for the failure of cooperation in this area, America laid, of course, on Russia. It was she who, in the opinion of the United States, does not comply with this agreement. What do the alleged facts of its violation by the Russian side indicate?

Thus, in 2017, the White House expressed dissatisfaction with the decisions of the Kremlin to limit flights over the territory of the Kaliningrad region, cancel flights along the 10-kilometer corridor located on the borders of Russia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and also prohibit deviating from established routes when force majeure circumstances arise.

Representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry have repeatedly stated that the US charges against Russia, which allegedly do not comply with the Open Skies Treaty, are unsubstantiated and not supported by convincing evidence.

The Kremlin, in response to White House accusations at the beginning of 2018, introduced a number of restrictions for the American partners to the Treaty, reducing the number of airfields used by American aircraft for "overnight".

But apparently, Washington is not particularly worried about the absence of any evidence of Kremlin guilt. After all, according to American logic, everything that goes against American interests is wrong and illegal.
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  1. +10
    14 August 2018 09: 08
    But apparently, Washington is not particularly worried about the absence of any evidence of Kremlin guilt. After all, according to American logic, everything that goes against American interests is wrong and illegal.


    It's time to send them and do the same.
    1. +32
      14 August 2018 09: 16
      In this particular case, it is necessary to send all. For even if we forbid the Americans to fly over our territory, they will be able to receive information through their allies.
      1. +19
        14 August 2018 09: 36
        Quote: Spade
        In this particular case, it is necessary to send all.

        I agree. In general, it is interesting, as soon as we completed the certification of the new aircraft for the "Open Skies", so immediately the Americans left it. That the new plane could see this from them?
        1. 0
          14 August 2018 09: 48
          It's time to send them and do the same.

          They have been sent in the diplomatic language for a long time, only they just do not understand this in view of degradation))
          And in part,
          act also
          so we do.
          1. +1
            14 August 2018 12: 15
            The unipolar world of the financial monster and the US hegemon on planet Earth operates according to the principle "I can do what I want!"

            At the same time, even the ex-president of the USSR Mishka Gorbachev, who destroyed the country and the countries of the socialist community, continues to receive a pension from the Russian Federation. Today, 85-year-old Gorbachev has a pension for betrayal and the collapse of the country in the spirit of "new thinking" - is 820 thousand rubles or almost 13 thousand dollars.
            Also, real estate - a state housing with security and transport - which he used when he was president of the USSR, passed into his private ownership. And he lives quietly for himself in Germany. For real estate, as a pensioner, does not pay anything to the Russian treasury.

            By the logic of things, of course, the retirement of Gorbachev M.S. they must pay from the budget of the CIA (as for the collapse of the USSR), but, unfortunately, it is paid from the budget either of the pension fund or of the federal fund of Russia.

            Gorbachev’s bury of the current, essentially non-replaceable, pseudo-democratic, neoliberal power in the Russian Federation will be officially on Russian soil and also for state budget money, i.e. for the money of Russian taxpayers. For our folk money!

            All this is called LIBERAL FASCISM, imposed on us from the outside! The same Washington.
            1. +2
              14 August 2018 12: 36
              Quote: svp67
              In general, it is interesting, as soon as we completed the certification of the new aircraft for the "Open Skies", so immediately the Americans left it. What new plane could they see?

              Ha! Yes, our new plane could just take a closer look at their area more conveniently.

              The Americans simply do not under any guise allow Russia to even potentially use their cunning plans against Russia.
              On the nose according to their plans they have a war ahead of Russia. So the United States and withdrew from the agreement with the Russian Federation on an open sky. Everything in this regard is logical for them. If I were them, then I would have done the same.
            2. 0
              14 August 2018 15: 57
              Gorbachev’s bury of the current, essentially non-replaceable, pseudo-democratic, neoliberal power in the Russian Federation will be officially on Russian soil and also for state budget money, i.e. for the money of Russian taxpayers. For our folk money!

              This is not bad, there will be much to spit !!
        2. +7
          14 August 2018 10: 13
          Quote: svp67
          as soon as we completed the certification of the new aircraft for the "Open Skies", so immediately the Americans got out of it. That the new plane could see this from them?

          Yes, hardly anything special that can not be seen from orbit ....
          The history of the Open Skies Treaty exactly repeats the history of the US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty. Well, he interfered with the dashing cowboys. So we went out. So it is with the "open" sky. And for the people they saved an excuse, they say the insidious Russians forced it ... And it works ...
          The preparation of the "mass reader" for changes in the military-political situation and geopolitics has long been put on stream in the form of informational support from non-productive media. The first volleys of the info war were fired on 08.08.2008, when in the morning the civilized world learned that Russian planes were bombing Tbilisi, and that innocent citizens of the country that had won the "thunderstorm revolution" were dying under fire from the Russian army. And go and convince them, literate and civilized, that everything was different. But the death of the residents of Tskhinval and the Russian peacekeepers did not bother anyone. And it looks like the intelligence services of the civilized countries of the West were playing with information.
          10 years have passed since then, but "things are still there". But it was in 2008 that active preparations began for rewriting History, especially in the context of the Second World War.
          The events on the Maidan and in Crimea only accelerated this process. And today, every "civilizer" strives to nod in our direction - it is the "insidious Russians" who are to blame for everything. And the "Skripals case" is the pinnacle of today's "dislike" for Russia and its leadership.
          And the Open Skies Treaty is another brick in the construction of a negative (so-called "toxic") image of a country called the Russian Federation.
          1. +2
            14 August 2018 11: 21
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            And today, every "civilizer" strives to nod in our direction - it is the "insidious Russians" who are to blame for everything.

            Those. Was their information processing operation a little successful?

            So far, the situation with the preparation of the hot stage of the conflict is developing quite successfully: the actual withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, the INF Treaty, the Open Skies, to put it mildly, significant steps to escalate tensions with the removal of restrictions on unwinding the flywheel, at least the arms race, so desirable for a number of American industries economy, so destructive for the Russian economy, if Russia gets involved in the race, and not to get involved, there is almost no chance. A kind of "compulsion to war", even if at first only hot in places.
        3. 0
          14 August 2018 10: 24
          Probably what they carefully hid before.
        4. -1
          14 August 2018 17: 37
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Spade
          In this particular case, it is necessary to send all.

          I agree. In general, it is interesting, as soon as we completed the certification of the new aircraft for the "Open Skies", so immediately the Americans left it. That the new plane could see this from them?

          That's right Sergei, earlier ours, purely formally, "flew", unlike the United States, which were crammed with reconnaissance equipment .. Like "Russian Ivan" trusting, etc. .. As soon as we decided to check it out more meticulously, immediately the contract was terminated .. hi This has always been the case with Russia, we wholeheartedly treat them, and they spit there and still mock ..
          Well, nothing, Russia can be another cruel and merciless (they probably achieve this again?)
      2. 0
        14 August 2018 09: 43
        It makes sense to respond adequately. To close the sky on both sides, if they do not understand in Russian that they are not supposed to fly there. wassat
      3. 0
        14 August 2018 10: 55
        A ban on all (including our allies) military personnel or those hired to provide assistance to military structures other than Russian aircraft. A thorough check of civilian (especially transit) aircraft for established intelligence tools.
      4. 0
        14 August 2018 13: 35
        Quote: Spade
        In this particular case, it is necessary to send all. For even if we forbid the Americans to fly over our territory, they will be able to receive information through their allies.

        Do not deny the United States the tricks. Well thought out.
    2. +7
      14 August 2018 09: 39
      And who needs this contract? Yes to anyone except the United States. They wanted to spit on international law.winked
    3. 0
      14 August 2018 09: 45
      Quote: cniza
      It's time to send them and do the same.

      In general, for all Amerikosov planes to close the sky over the Russian Federation, let them fly through the South Pole ...
    4. +1
      14 August 2018 10: 48
      yeah and standing in the durdum applaud
    5. 0
      14 August 2018 18: 37
      Quote: cniza
      It's time to send them and do the same.


      No no! In no case! Just not the same. You need to come up with something to be a step or two ahead. winked
    6. 0
      15 August 2018 10: 18
      Quote: cniza
      It's time to send them and do the same.

      It is time at the official level to recognize the United States as a non-contracting party. The conclusion of any agreements with the USA is pointless, worse, the senseless and harmful observance of any agreements with the USA, since they do not comply with any agreements concluded earlier. Rather, observe only while it is beneficial to them.
  2. +1
    14 August 2018 09: 09
    Senators or the administration of the striped priz, yet another, for "peace and friendship." You look, they will be nominated for any prize.
    Nothing new, however.
    We work brothers, for the glory and peace for our country.
  3. +9
    14 August 2018 09: 12
    You cannot agree on anything with these cheaters. They act according to the principle - I gave my word, I took it.
    1. +2
      14 August 2018 10: 53
      The United States respects only those treaties that are beneficial to them. If the contract is contrary to the current interests of the United States - it is subject to denunciation. In this light, it makes no sense to conclude ANY treaty with the USA ...
  4. +1
    14 August 2018 09: 22
    Well ... DeepState in action.
    The FBI fired agent Peter Stzok, who helped lead the investigation into the Russian intervention bureau in the 2016 elections, until officials found that he was sending texts against Trump.
    Very interesting information went to the American resources about the "Clinton Foundation"
    13 August 2018 year

    FIRST incident Hillary Clinton, illegally conspiring with the Russians to influence the elections in 2016, was her (and DNC) funding for Russian “research”, which led to the FAKE Trump Dossier, as she is often called.
    This dossier contained lies about the personal life of candidate Donald Trump and was illegally used to justify the FBI (and others) monitoring his campaign. It also led Special Attorney Bob Muller to investigate Trump’s campaign for conspiracy / conspiracy with Russia ... which continues and cannot find ANY LABOR-RUSSIAN conspiracy after 16 months of consideration.
    ATS member Xuenchen did a good job outlining how Hillary Clinton / DNC conspired with Russia to create a “Fake File” in this 21st stream.
    The SECOND incident of Hillary Clinton, violating the law by conspiracy with Russia to influence the elections in 2016, seized the Trump campaign using the so-called “Trump Tower meeting”. This was recently disclosed as the relevant DOJ / FBI documents were FINALLY handed over to Congress, after more than a year of trying, and after several stories.
    source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1213294/pg1 Hillary Hit With Fresh Evidence Of Hidden Collusion
    Sorry for the unedited translation. The source is indicated, you can read it in detail.
    ps This is a very interesting insider site.
    1. 0
      14 August 2018 09: 33
      News on it appears almost earlier than in the US media, which then appear in translation with us. there is a handicap in time.
      For example, "Exclusive: Omarosa talks about secret audio recordings she made at the White House." it appeared on NBC on 14.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX, and on this site I read about it YESTERDAY.
      duplicate the link http://www.abovetopsecret.com/index.php
      1. 0
        14 August 2018 13: 12
        Quote: mirag2
        source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1213294/pg1
        Hillary Hit With Fresh Evidence Of Hidden Collusion

        Apparently, the article at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1215419/pg1
        Она ссылается на статью по адресу https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-agent-peter-strzok-fired-over-anti-trump-texts/2018/08/13/be98f84c-8e8b-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.79be0eb72886

        Sorry, a news integrator cannot be an insider.
  5. +3
    14 August 2018 09: 23
    And what can be negotiated, and how to build partnerships and is it worth it ..
    1. +2
      14 August 2018 09: 44
      Quote: parusnik
      And what can be negotiated, and how to build partnerships and is it worth it ..

      What to negotiate if the whole partnership is understood by the staff as follows: this is --- to me, and this is ---- to me, this is ---- to me again ..... They have already approached our territory.
    2. +1
      14 August 2018 14: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      what can be negotiated and how to build partnerships and is it worth it

      "Partnership" relations serve to link the "partner" in terms of other actions due to partial mutual dependence. The only question is the partial nature of this dependence.
  6. +1
    14 August 2018 09: 38
    Why are they fussing so much? And each time they fall into hysterics more and more. It looks like "something is wrong in the Danish kingdom".
    1. -1
      14 August 2018 10: 11
      Rather, due to the large investments in the development of the latest weapons, difficulties arose with hiding data on new / old training grounds and other crap. It's easier to ban flights. And their statement is just an excuse.
    2. 0
      14 August 2018 13: 17
      Quote: Captive
      It looks like "something is wrong in the Danish kingdom".

      In the father’s textbook, it sounded (Pasternak)
      "Something died in the Danish kingdom"
      Later there were variants with "rotten" and "rotten".
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 19: 02
        Quote: sogdy
        There were options later

        What is Shakespeare to distort? belay
        "It's not okay that in the Danish kingdom" ... (c)
        From English: Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. From the tragedy “Hamlet” (valid ... The words of Marcello observing the appearance of the ghost of the king-father and his meeting with Hamlet. Sometimes the expression is found in other translations - “Something is wrong with the Danish state” and more
  7. +8
    14 August 2018 09: 39
    The Americans are trolling us ... the ruble is falling ... the VO site is not working ... Lord, for what?
    A voice from the sky ... Well, I do not love you ... I do not love !!!
    You can say anything further, but I think we got the United States not childishly, precisely by doing what is beneficial to us and, most importantly, very slowly, by treading a little on their favorite corns ... so they freak out ...
  8. -1
    14 August 2018 09: 54
    You read articles on and you think how unfairly the Americans conduct their foreign policy in relation to other countries, and our Russians, on the contrary, very ardently defend international law, well done.
    But then the question immediately arises, why does Russian diplomacy not work when it comes to domestic politics? Who is bothering?
    After all, no matter how strange it was, the American government can be understood, while the Russian authorities cannot.
    1. -3
      14 August 2018 09: 59
      For the third yoke has not yet fallen
    2. 0
      14 August 2018 13: 24
      Quote: Petr1
      But then the question immediately arises, why does Russian diplomacy not work when it comes to domestic politics?

      This must be cited as the opupey of the absurd.
      Throw this training manual, it discredits you.
    3. +1
      14 August 2018 19: 10
      Quote: Petr1
      Why doesn’t Russian diplomacy work in any way when it comes to domestic politics? Who's bothering?

      Well, you give brother !!! laughing
      But nothing that
      DIPLOMACY - The activities of the government in the implementation of foreign, international state policy.
      lol
      Now explain, popularly, which end ... DIPLOMACY is involved in the internal politics of the state !? fool
  9. -2
    14 August 2018 09: 58
    For contracts with our Western and Middle Eastern partners are not worth the paper on which they are written
    1. -1
      14 August 2018 10: 37
      The word "for" is quite popular on this thread. Already met 3 times! And the Nigerian people are like that - because they are also very popular in the world! Falilat Ogunkoya herself is its representative! Therefore, the word "for" is recommended to be used as often as possible on the VO website. Be sure to raise your index finger when using!
      So long live, for in all its manifestations there is peace and friendship between all peoples!
      Yes, I just have a smoke break ...
  10. +1
    14 August 2018 10: 02
    Given the fact that there are still many participating countries under this agreement, they still will not have problems in obtaining intelligence.
    Ours should at least "troll" the United States. Collect all their freaks in a list and summarize that the United States has begun preparing for war. For example, declare the Skripals case as their test of selective poisonous substances.
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    2. +1
      14 August 2018 10: 18
      The Russian Foreign Ministry is not smart enough for this. There, to "joke" something obscure, on the topic of Russian classics (and this is to "stupid" Americans who grew up on Marvelian comics), profoundly rolling their eyes, promise a "mirror" answer - this is, yes, but something serious in response -No-God forbid, suddenly the "partner" will be seriously offended. wink
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 13: 37
        Quote: spectr
        Gather all their tricks into a list and summarize that the US has begun preparing for war.

        "start getting ready" is a subordinate verb in the infinitive.
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        and something serious in response, no, no God forbid, suddenly the "partner" will be seriously offended.

        Vashcheta, this is called "diplomacy". And it is designed for everyone, except for the obstruction object, to enhance the effect. For (!) Marvell's pupils do not perceive the sound row in principle.

        But in fact - it’s been like that for 6 years, as stated. And the correction began about 20 years ago.
      2. +1
        14 August 2018 19: 18
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Mind the Russian Foreign Ministry is not enough.

        Do you seriously believe that Lavrov is independent in his decisions? And does the tsar’s king watch him from around the corner? Oh well...
        I believe that such decisions are being discussed with the permanent members of the Security Council and a balanced decision is being made, and not by the Foreign Ministry, as it might have seemed to someone ...
        So, Lavrov - the executor of collective will = no more ... Yes
  11. AUL
    0
    14 August 2018 10: 17
    For reference: Countries participating in the Open Skies Treaty have the right to conduct observation flights over each other's territories in order to monitor military activity.
    So, in 2017, the White House expressed dissatisfaction with the Kremlin’s decisions to limit flights over the territory of the Kaliningrad region, to cancel flights along the 10-km corridor located on the borders of Russia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia,
    Did they limit us?
    1. 0
      14 August 2018 13: 38
      Quote from AUL
      Did they limit us?

      YES
  12. 0
    14 August 2018 10: 26
    Quote: mirag2
    News on it appears almost earlier than in the US media, which then appear in translation with us. there is a handicap in time.
    For example, "Exclusive: Omarosa talks about secret audio recordings she made at the White House." it appeared on NBC on 14.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX, and on this site I read about it YESTERDAY.
    duplicate the link http://www.abovetopsecret.com/index.php

    Is it really interesting? I think so of Belly Bird ...
    1. 0
      14 August 2018 13: 42
      Quote: Carpenter 2329
      Is it really interesting? I think so of Belly Bird ...

      Similarly. The usual news integrator, low budget. mirag2 did not notice links to the original articles.
  13. 0
    14 August 2018 10: 33
    ... it is strange that this Treaty still existed ... bully
    1. +1
      14 August 2018 15: 55
      This is not a contract, but some kind of masochism. Especially touches the desire of the United States to fly somewhere over Russia, given the capabilities of their satellite constellation. Moreover, the "route" of the flight under the contract is agreed in advance, and we have every right to close certain areas without giving reasons.
  14. 0
    14 August 2018 10: 59
    In response to the sanctions, a ban on transit flights over the territory of Russia to all Amerovsky, and not only Pshetsky, Labusyutsky and Banderaevsky airlines
    1. +1
      14 August 2018 13: 47
      Quote: Tolik_74
      introduce a transit ban

      Volodin said (since six months) that the issue is being worked out. Apparently, there are legal gaps that need to be addressed by law.
      But, the intention is stated.
  15. +1
    14 August 2018 11: 11
    America blamed, of course, on Russia for disrupting cooperation in this area.
    For Americans, this has long been an axiom. Honestly, the contract is worthless. It only shows the alleged trust of one side to the other. Therefore, we do not lose anything, but it would be better if the first to leave this treaty accusing the United States.
  16. +1
    14 August 2018 11: 28
    Who would doubt that they would only cling to something truthful, or even just cling. How tired of all this, but diplomacy, her mother. And the excuses of our liberocrats are interesting to watch, although they are also bored.
  17. 0
    14 August 2018 11: 28
    )) Well ... and let their civilians fly around the territory of Russia!
  18. 0
    14 August 2018 12: 29
    Fushington temporarily suspended cooperation with Moscow under the Open Skies Agreement, signed in 1992.

    So, in response, it is necessary to terminate this Agreement with all countries that can transmit information on the situation in Russia, scooping it under the OH Treaty.
    And it will turn out, they limited it to one of Fashington, and all his allies graze above our heads and plow the pahana.
  19. -3
    14 August 2018 13: 10
    I think the main point here is this:

    Detailed US intelligence - Satellite + open skies.
    Detailed exploration of the territory of the Russian Federation - Satellites (there are more of them and they are more perfect) + UAV global Hawk (we have no analogues) + Strategic reconnaissance (which we do not have) + NATO open-air planes (which will always transmit information).

    Accordingly, it is clearly visible who and what is losing, and who is not losing.
    1. -1
      14 August 2018 13: 40
      In this case, we must indicate the right to shoot down or land Hawks if their flight is not agreed with us. To close so close, let them coordinate any presence in our airspace.
      1. 0
        14 August 2018 13: 55
        And here to shoot down ...? This is a voluntary contract. Do you want to fly fly, if you want - no. And military intelligence, without entering into territorial waters, whether borders are in the air in peacetime - if you can, do it, but you can’t, don’t do it. Nobody bothers us to fly along the US borders .... but nothing. we do not have global reconnaissance aircraft, nor globally UAVs. A pathetic attempt - Tu-204RTs and that do not give a go.
    2. -1
      14 August 2018 13: 57
      Quote: Zaurbek
      I think the main point here is this:

      Maps of Google and Yandex (and not only), navigators and other trifles - these are all consequences of the Agreement. Otherwise, they have no right to exist.
      Although, of course, the service has already been provided ...
      1. 0
        14 August 2018 20: 38
        Google maps have nothing to do with this topic.
  20. 0
    14 August 2018 13: 51
    In August 2017, an observation flight received a wide response, in which the Russian Air Force Tu-154 flew over the White House, the complex of buildings of the US Congress, the CIA headquarters and the Pentagon.

    This is the reason. Therefore, the more technical capabilities we demonstrate, the less cooperation we will have.
  21. -1
    14 August 2018 15: 29
    Thus, in 2017, the White House expressed dissatisfaction with the decisions of the Kremlin to limit flights over the territory of the Kaliningrad region, cancel flights along the 10-kilometer corridor located on the borders of Russia with Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and also prohibit deviating from established routes when force majeure circumstances arise.

    So is it true or not? If true, is it a violation of the contract or not?
  22. -1
    14 August 2018 16: 11
    Why open the "open sky" when there is open space, in which "all sorts of fellow travelers for free" will not be needed?
    1. +1
      14 August 2018 19: 27
      Quote: earloop
      0
      Why open "open skies" when there is open space,

      From low Earth orbit, the resolution of species exploration = 10 cm, from geostationary = 1,0m, and from LA you can see everything up to 0,01m ... So, the devil is in the details!
      AHA.

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