Innovations in full dress for sailors of Russia

The newspaper "Izvestia" comes out with the material that from the autumn of this year, naval officers of the Russian Navy will begin to receive a new parade uniform. At the same time, the new form will be a reference to the previous versions of naval uniforms (including variations of the form of the times of the Great Patriotic War).

Source "Izvestia" in the Ministry of Defense informs that the dress uniform will be black. At the same time, it is noted that this is one of the options for the “parades” set - for certain activities, which will be determined by orders of the command. White is also planned to save.

In the new set - single-breasted jacket with stand-up collar and wool trousers in black.

The updated kit is associated with its greater practicality, especially in operating conditions at high latitudes - for example, in the North navy.

Earlier, the “stand” collars with the so-called “coils” were introduced for the parade uniform of the Russian Army ground troops. At the same time, not all servicemen agreed with the opinion of convenience and practicality. It is noted that in hot weather such a collar uniform brings significant inconvenience - for example, in the mode of many hours of preparation for a military parade.

The first reviews on the updated parade uniforms for servicemen of units and formations of the Russian Navy can be heard immediately after the arrival of new sets to the troops. That is, this fall.

Comments

[ancestors from Don]

Personally, I am a supporter of constancy, the best enemy of the good, and the best form was in the USSR army, both convenient and practical, and the same footcloths were not in vain for the purpose of hygiene from the time of the tsarist army. About the new uniform, it’s only negative, it may look glamorous, but I like the tsigeyki hats and caps more than these little hats with ears tied at the back of the head, and my overcoat replaced everything and the table and the house, which is not a worn pea coat in the field.

[Kurare]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

and the overcoat generally replaced everything, both the table and the house, which in the field was not a worn pea coat.

An overcoat in the Navy - better not, it's very uncomfortable. Both in the Tsarist and in the days of the USSR there were simply no modern materials: water-wind, etc. impervious and breathable at the same time.
Actually, we are talking here about the dress uniform. Stand-up collar, as they say: "in taste and color ...". Truth rubs his neck.

[dauria]

Actually, we are talking about a formal uniform.

The blue "parade" is a couple of times a year, on Aviation Day. Everyday clothes with a harness - all the time I felt like a tightly swaddled baby, horror. The sweetest thing is a jumpsuit and a jacket (chevretka, demi-season, fur coat). And in winter, fur mittens (Not gloves !!!!) were sewn by the wife tightly into the pockets of the fur, plus a collar with a hood - and life is beautiful.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kurare

Overcoat in the Navy - it’s better not to, it’s very inconvenient.

100%. As they said, in this greatcoat it’s not only impossible to fight, but even prisoner cannot be surrendered - you can’t raise your hands.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kurare

Stand-up collar, as they say: "the taste and color ...". Truth rubs his neck.

For a couple of "ceremonial" hours it will not rub, but in outfits a blue tunic with a stand-up collar was very annoying for a day. Especially after the USSR Ministry of Defense Grechko forced the equipment to be worn over the tunics and jacket.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Piramidon

a blue tunic with a stand-up collar for a day really got

Well I do not know. The hooks were unfastened without any problems. Unless of course the sewing is not plastic.)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Marconi41

Well I do not know. The hooks were unfastened without any problems. Unless of course the sewing is not plastic.)))

If you served in the coastal parts, and constantly went to the guard clothes, then maybe. And when your everyday clothes - a robe, a jacket or a jumpsuit, then even a jacket with a tie once a week at a political session is tiring.

[marshes]

Quote: Kurare

Overcoat in the Navy - better not, very uncomfortable

As a formal attire, it’s the very thing. When I was at the beginning I wore black Suvorov’s clothes, and those with size 50 gave them black fleet clothes. It was beautiful.

It’s not that now a formal coat with an astrakhan collar, an overcoat has built up a wall, will get rid of the abdomen.
He wore a soldier’s and a cadet’s one, and he found a little officer before the coat.
By the way, I have a short coat from an officer’s overcoat, my father was given cuts at one time, and there was still a gray-blue fabric for the parade overcoats of the USSR Air Force.

[Kurare]

Quote: marshes

As a formal dress the most.

Isn't it too big a luxury to have an overcoat for parades only?
In addition, even if you imagine that the Moremans were given ceremonial overcoats, try to run in them up the ship's stairs, and jump over the partitions. "Marine Overcoat" is a pea jacket!

[marshes]

Quote: Kurare

Isn't it too big a luxury to have an overcoat for parades only?

It was not only a ceremonial one, but also a day off, for example, dismissal or vacation. A person made them look like some kind of person. People who met along the way did not take their eyes off, girls were even better. Black overcoat, white scarf and white gloves.

Quote: Kurare

In addition, even if you imagine that the sailors were given ceremonial overcoats, try to run along the ship’s stairs and jump over partitions.

This overcoat is for a party, and that would be running jackets and from the same overcoat, the similarity I wear in winter from gray overland cloth.
The cloth burns poorly and does not get wet quickly, especially marine, I think it was soaked with wax from moisture.

[Sergey ippon]

all this breathes, puffs up to the first good dipping in the mud.
and all - then kapets in frost.

[Aqr009]

Stand-up collar, as they say: "the taste and color ...".

The trend of a shift to a stand-up collar, in my opinion, is going on all over the world, and this, as I understand it, is connected with a change in world elites. A tie is a Masonic symbol. Stalin removed it, and Khrushchev returned it again.
So Trump began to fight with the old elite, and as a result, Mattis suddenly had a stand-up collar, although before that he had always been in a rumpled double-breasted tunic with an elastic tie

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

and the greatcoat generally replaced everything

and how to run in it "conveniently"

[Marconi41]

When in an outfit, it’s always in a greatcoat. Axiom: You cannot escape from a stranger, and you cannot keep up with yours.

[Dormidont]

and how to run in it "conveniently"

Especially if OZK is put on overcoat. And nothing - ran like cute

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and how to run in it "is convenient

Especially piss.

[Vladimirsky]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

I personally advocate constancy, the best enemy of the good, and myself

Of course, parades and window dressings in the form of all kinds of competitions in foreigners are the best manifestation of the high combat readiness of the troops. With this approach, combat readiness is often in the eleventh place.

[Marconi41]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

and the overcoat generally replaced everything both the table and the house, in the field

I don’t agree with you. It is more difficult to come up with a more uncomfortable shape than an overcoat. Running in it is inconvenient, it’s cold in winter, and chest compression in an officer’s greatcoat worsens breathing. Monument to the one who removed her from the uniform! And at the expense of the parade, then not everything is clear. A shirt is not worn under it, which means that you will have to change clothes, and not just take off your jacket. By the way, nothing is said about the white shirt in full dress. Will they keep her?

[sabakina]

Overcoat say don't like it? Have you even slept in it ???

[Berkut24]

I was asleep. Frozen and head and legs. In the winter field uniform is much more comfortable. The overcoat was created in the 19th century for trench warfare. Now the war is different.
As for the parade uniform, I have already voiced my opinion before. Aiguilettes, overcoats, white and other candelabra with coils are evil. A headache for personnel and extra costs for the treasury. It seems that the parades have turned into some kind of historical reconstruction with a mixture of all styles and eras. I understand that the Kremlin regiment performs a ritual function for visitors, but maybe you should not attract all other armed forces to the tourism sector?
The current form is not disgraceful and sufficiently "militant". Even in civilian life there is a "military" style. Why should we portray the end of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th centuries on the parade ground? In the 19th century, it never occurred to anyone to walk in a parade in chain mail and with shields from the times of Dmitry Donskoy.

[Dormidont]

What is a greatcoat good? Stroking her, stroking. And then the team - the overcoat in the roll. Then you unfold - as you got the bombs. And again - stroking, stroking. But there is no problem of free time

[sogdy]

Quote: Dormidont

But there is no problem of free time

Liked.
We had cavalry overcoats, bluish. Sagged for a couple of minutes.
But the overcoat involves a puffed sweatshirt ... We did not flash the back fold. There were four buttons under the strap. There was a problem with length.

[Piramidon]

Quote: sabakina

Overcoat say don't like it? Have you even slept in it ???

He slept more than once. Under a blanket in a tent is much better

[Loginoff]

The country's economic situation is PPC, and they are sewing a new uniform. Well, it would be like Warrior-type combat kits, and here's a parade on you.

[cariperpaint]

The uniform, including the front, is constantly sewn. Here they just change the model. You don’t think that they’re starting to sew it for such reasons only?)))

[Piramidon]

Quote: cariperpaint

The uniform, including the front, is constantly sewn. Here they just change the model. You don’t think that they’re starting to sew it for such reasons only?)))

They constantly sew to replace the one that has expired, but here everyone needs to be changed, that is, to replace the one that was issued only "yesterday" and which had to be changed and sewn only after 4 years. Do you feel the difference?

[sogdy]

For this, there is an order on the procedure for introducing a new uniform and local orders.
A sewing uniform of 60-69 years is still issued and used.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Piramidon

They constantly sew to replace the one that has expired, but here everyone needs to be changed, that is, to replace the one that was issued only "yesterday" and which had to be changed and sewn only after 4 years. Do you feel the difference?

In warehouses now "unclaimed clothing allowance" - to be disposed of with the help of warrant officers and familiar merchants by snatching the "disposal fee" from the treasury

[kunstkammer]

As soon as the condition in the army worsens, new changes in uniform are immediately introduced.
Yudashkin is back?

[cariperpaint]

And what has worsened in the army ???

[Elephant]

And what has improved (when compared with potential opponents)?

[Mr Credo]

Do we have potential opponents? We seem to have all partners, no opponents, no enemies too? It is unclear who imposes sanctions against Russia? Friends or what?

[sogdy]

It will surprise you, but none of my acquaintances and their children have seen the "uniform from Yudashkin." Well, not show people.

[Marconi41]

Quote: kunstkammer

Yudashkin is back?

What is Yudashkin here? The shape is very similar to the shape of the end of the Second World War.
Everything new is well forgotten old! )))

[sabakina]

Is it interesting that Admiral Ushakov said this? ....

[Serg koma]

Quote: sabakina

Is it interesting that Admiral Ushakov said this? ..

What Ushakov Fedor Fedorovich would say. I don’t know, but Grigory Aleksandrovich Potemkin-Tauride regarding the form said the following:
«The beauty of military clothing is the equality and in accordance with the use of things; the dress should serve the soldier with clothes, and not a burden. All panache must destroy, for it is the fruit of luxury, it requires a lot of time, dependency and servants, which a soldier cannot have. On this basis, I will propose in order about the things that make up the ammunition ... "-

[Marconi41]

Quote: Kurare

He really rubs his neck.

If you are a naval comrade, you also wore a tunic. He, too, with a stance and among the officers was always considered a very convenient form.

[Marconi41]

Quote: sabakina

Have you even slept in it ???

I served 25 years, and believe me, I slept in it, and so I wore it, and at one time I was taking refuge in a guardhouse as a cadet.

[sogdy]

I know 5 different overcoat cuts in infantry units. Narrowed and fitted, without a crease and liner, I also met - headquarters commandant (not to be confused with special commandant's offices with curfew companies).
How is it, "to each his own"?

[Moore]

Are there many changes per unit of time on the history tape?

[Engineer engineer]

Sorry that "boots" get into your conversation. Moreover, we are talking about a dress uniform.
In the year of my draft (1969), the transition to a new form in the ground forces fell. But many of my comrades did not accept the "undershirts" and continued to wear, like me, the classic tunic. Fortunately, this was not prohibited in our unit. The ceremonial tunic with a stand and breeches was not seized either. The reform of that year did not affect pea jackets and overcoats. And I consider the overcoat the TOP of the military upper (excuse the pun) clothing. Unless, of course, you do not spend your back ...

[Marconi41]

In this case, we are talking about the navy uniform. But in my service I wore both naval and land uniforms. It’s hard for me to call the overcoat the TOP of military clothing. And I’m sorry, I can’t compare it with special tailoring (camouflage winter uniforms on cotton or synthetic winterizer) for the better.

[sogdy]

Quote: Marconi41

And I’m sorry, I can’t compare it with special tailoring (camouflage winter uniforms on cotton or synthetic winterizer) for the better.

Well, yes, yes, especially with a coating of an invoice ...

[rotmistr60]

single-breasted tunic with a stand-up collar and black woolen trousers.

Every year, summer is getting hotter, even at high latitudes, in which part of the Russian Navy is based, the temperature has risen markedly, is this form really practical?

[Marconi41]

Quote: rotmistr60

Every year the summer gets hotter

Well, they also keep the white form. Yes, and no one refuses the tropics. It is a pity that the color and appearance of it changed. Previously, it was more individual in comparison with other armies.

[Tests]

The people in the Russian Federation are discussing the pension reform, but they are somehow silent about raising the VAT to 20 percent (and the State Duma has already voted). It is not in vain that the information about the upcoming two increases happened by chance on the opening day of the World Cup .... This is not the last gentleman in the country, by the name of Volodin, who talks about retirement. And simultaneously with this "probing" of public opinion, they found an informational reason - the improvement of the dress uniform in the Navy. And smart men on the website of "Military Review" write comments ... I agree with respected Loginoff (Anatoly) by 202 percent. The only thing that pleases me: the owner of a garment factory will receive a sweet budget order, and the workers of this factory will be with work. not in China or Uzbekistan (the other day I went to Gloria Jeans for my granddaughter for a T-shirt, which lured me with a 70 percent discount, I was glad for the light industry of China and Uzbekistan) ...

[Marconi41]

Quote: Tests

People in Russia discuss pension reform

Does this somehow relate to the form of clothing ??? You are mistaken for the address comrade. Our uniform is sewn in the homeland in a constant mode.

[Clone]

Yeah ... a couple more, or even five chevrons and a warrior will be put to shame and defeated.
Not tired of clowning to arrange outfits?

[sogdy]

Quote: Clone

then the heel of the chevrons and the enemy will be put to shame and defeated.
Not tired of clowning to arrange outfits?

Kanechna-kanechna, in computer games - but do not care for chevrons, moved the cursor, everything wrote ....

[Clone]

Still wondering who comes up with all this? The indigenous inhabitants of the Arbat military district? Then everything is clear. For a normal practitioner would first of all ask the same practitioners - Guys, what do you need at the moment? And did not hope for "The first reviews of the updated ceremonial uniforms for military personnel of the Russian Navy... "That is, it was proposed to threaten a bunch of money, and then ask, well, how do you?
Any form should be practical and comfortable. And only then beautiful. And if someone is chasing only "beauty", then it is Serezhenka Zverev, he knows everything about her. And then there is no need to contain a significant apparatus of clothing service ...

[sogdy]

Quote: Clone

a practitioner would first ask the same practitioners - Guys, what do you currently need?

And you try to interview practitioners yourself.
And yes, the development of overalls (including military uniforms) involved in the Institute of clothing MO.

[senima56]

If the "Institute of Clothes of the Ministry of Defense" regularly changes its uniform (and this is a lot of money on the scale of the army!) - it means that either incompetent people are sitting there, or "enemies of the people"! Both have no place in such an institution!

[Mr Credo]

There are enough places to run in a new form of clothing. Both Donbass and Syria. Regarding the parade, you can see the demobilization form of other comrades. Why are there no questions for her? And the return to the uniform of the sample of 45- but the year, so it was Stalin who in his time returned to the royal form of clothing and introduced shoulder straps. What did he say then? Why come up with a proven one !?

[BAI]

In general, there is such a sign: "If a new form is introduced, wait for a military reform."

[marshes]

Quote: BAI

In general, there is such a sign: "If a new form is introduced, wait for a military reform."

Do you still have an appeal comrade, or how is our master?

[Mr Credo]

What is it like? Mister soldier, please! Yes, your highness!

[marshes]

Quote: Mister Creed

What is it like? Mister soldier, please! Yes, your highness!

You will have it soon.
It’s easier for us, although some of the teams are already in the Kazakh language, but strangely the gentleman is still holding on, according to the idea, there should be a myth.
Although he did not refuse to use the word brother to appeal to the younger composition, in Kazakh it is not very, although they use the word Agay, uncle, older brother.

[Shkiper]

At the same time, not all military personnel agreed with the opinion about convenience and practicality. It is noted that in hot weather such a uniform collar brings significant inconvenience - for example, in the mode of many hours of preparation for a military parade.

No, you have to walk in slippers (slates) in shorts and a T-shirt, it's very comfortable. The only question is, who are we after that? "Herd of Captive Romanians" or the Heirs of the Winners?

[Mr Credo]

But what a trifle! You give a loincloth and slates as a dress uniform !!!

[senima56]

About the form. Not a single army has information about "full name" on field uniforms a serviceman and his "blood type" (or as we have an incomprehensible "Armed Forces of Russia" - what is the semantic load in this ?!) is NOT attached to the valves of the pockets !!!! You just have to put your ID, notebook, etc. in your pocket. and the valves become horizontal! These inscriptions are shabby, crumpled, do not look aesthetically pleasing! In other armies, if something is worn, it is attached OVER the pockets (if any). But we have: "We will go the other way!" In "Rosgvardia" they took a good shape with a rational arrangement of pockets and inscriptions. As for the dress uniform of our army, you should not be like African countries and put on more "golden leaves and stars"! Maybe remember the Afghan experience, when just the "gold" and the stars were the first and main target of snipers?

[marshes]

The field shape has changed in those, there are no horizontal pockets, yes there are strips for Velcro.
Buttons on the top of the lump are practically absent, with zippers. To prevent injuries on the body from using bronik, there are no side pockets on the jackets. There is a possibility of setting soft bets in the subcoats and on the knees.
So not long ago I bought two lumps for a cheap, forested Woodland, and a deserted cartoon. New jackets do not like, they do not suit fishing and hunting, in the summer if they are unloaded .. There are no pockets in the lower part.

[Mr Credo]

Are the Armed Forces of Russia written in the language of a potential adversary? And then what should civilians wear? Unarmed Forces of Russia? And the oligarchs have an inscription- The Financial Forces of Russia?

[Elephant]

NATO members are improving the field and everyday (not much different from the field) form, raising the combat readiness of the troops. And our couch generals are more interested in the dress form, so that the soldiers walk beautifully, especially in parades ...

[Mr Credo]

Propaganda of the armed forces is a good cause. We had ensembles of songs and dances of the combat arms. What is bad? There is an army sports club. What is bad? We need to be proud of our army and peck the bourgeois proprietors holding their money from our opponents!

[Tests]

Mister Creed (Creed), dear, ensembles are good. But the RF Armed Forces and all the "power" structures were invented by the state a little for another. The fathers-commanders of the Russian fleet often want to have their own "court" ensemble. Let's take my dear Severodvinsk as an example. Was from Soviet times VIA "Northern Lights". In the days of the Russian Federation, the members of the ensemble came to the DOP every day, sang, drank, played musical instruments and billiards, although they were listed in the nuclear submarine, with a clear conscience they wore a beautiful sea uniform, received a submariner's ration, preferential service, and earned money on Fridays and Saturdays at weddings. Only for them, who had not been shown on boats for years, someone worked in the compartments. Today, a similar picture with the "Sea Soul" ensemble - clever, beautiful girls in beautiful naval uniforms sing in Severodvinsk, and are listed at distant points of the Central Naval Range. There are still incomprehensible colonels in incomprehensible press services, also in beautiful uniforms, with preferential length of service and not a bad pension. But at the right moment, there is no dog handler, then an experienced explosives technician, or no one can repair the radio ...
Many years ago, captain Zvonarev, a teacher from the Department of Social and Political Disciplines, hammered us, first-year cadets into our heads on political economy: "Remember! Everyone who wears shoulder straps, and all civilian officials too, except for urine, shit and carbon dioxide for the economy countries do not produce anything useful. And we are only needed so that the old grandfather could calmly go out into the collective farm field, rip a bunch, crumple it, and, looking at the rising sun, say: "Yes-ah ... this glorious was born now! "...
In my opinion, it will be better for all of us - citizens of the Russian Federation, if each serviceman of the Russian Federation, instead of pulling his sock in a new parade on the square, can say: "In any conditions, to the target - from the first rocket, from the first bomb, from the first shell. ! ". This will be the propaganda of the armed forces.

[Mr Credo]

In Soviet times, members of sports teams were listed as workers, not athletes. But I think the song and dance ensembles of the military branches are needed. Only they should pass not on the line of combat calculation, but on the line of advertising the combat arms. The deadly effect of the media and advertising we see today. Why give up such weapons?

[Mr Credo]

A theater troupe does not have to be a soldier. May be civil. And the form is like theatrical costumes. Those who played kings and nobles were not kings in real life. Just played a role.

[LeonidL]

So and only so!

[LeonidL]

Crap is complete like the rejection of the vest. The best and most beautiful shape is the 80s kit. Everything else is perversion on themes from Nikolai through Kerensky to the 50s. But the shape of Stalin's last years did not take root for many reasons, including the inability to turn his neck in a tight collar! Why waste money? Why replace the famous "crab" with a Kerensky kakardochka? A striped vest with a white vest? And so on ...

[Conductor]

That is, the form is the main problem of the fleet? In a new form, Nata is not afraid of us either.

[M. Michelson]

Grand senility grows stronger. Here in the heat, just the right time to think, so that the explorers introduce a new summer parade - white and lightweight, and they were drawn to black. Overheated?
(By the way, I recently read at a bad man how Zhukov, the minister at the naval parade, ordered the sailors to be in black, and he was dressed in white.)

[Clone]

Quote: Tests

But the RF Armed Forces and all the "power" structures were invented by the state a little for another.

I would put a dozen pluses under this phrase!
All these military ensembles, athletes and other "scientists" have no right to exist at the expense of combat units, support and maintenance units ... Bo is this complete "Chichikovism" in its natural form and real sabotage for combat readiness!

[Clone]

Quote: Mister Creed

In Soviet times, and members of sports teams were listed as workers

At one time in my regiment, numbering under 2000 bayonets, more than two dozen regular positions of the MILITARY were occupied by "sportsmen" whom I had not seen in my eyes for 4 years. Moreover, these positions were super-conscripts, warrant officers and junior officers. They learned about the real existence of "dead souls" only when the command was blamed for the weak educational work with the "subordinates" because it was the "athletes" and "dancers with musicians" who brought emergency situations. And so it was in all parts of the GSVG, the difference was only in the number of parasites and malicious violators of military discipline.
Ensembles with "workers" existed, yes ... but a shitload of singers and dancers in them was at the expense of combat units. "Swim, we know!" (from)
Some clever head later "tightened the screws" and corrected this ugly situation ... along with the removal from service of "two-year students" in officer positions ...
But no, not all "rakes" were removed on the path of reforming and strengthening ...