Medvedev: Pension reform is painful, but necessary

The head of the Russian government, Dmitry Medvedev, said that the pension reform is necessary for the country, and the government could not do otherwise, RIA reports News.

Medvedev noted that pension reform is now the most difficult issue that has caused many discussions. Such changes in the pension legislation of people are not at all encouraging, even if a person wants to work further. Even in the government, these reforms do not please anyone, but they are necessary. He stressed that the Russian pension system in its current state is in a "difficult state" because of the ratio of the number of pensioners to the working population. Today, the ratio approaches one-to-one level, and this "threatens to completely break the pension system."

Medvedev compared the pension reform with bitter medicine, which is necessary to drink to get rid of the disease, even though the person does not want it, but if you do not drink it, then everything can end in tragedy.

The Prime Minister drew attention to the fact that currently the law on pension reform is under consideration in the State Duma, where there is a wide discussion regarding it. Medvedev did not rule out that in his final version the law would be radically different from the original version. At the same time, he said that Russian President Vladimir Putin had not yet spoken on this issue.

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[Igoresha]

USSR laid a mine, not otherwise

[Dimontius]

Everyone was waiting for real reforms in the economy after the election, and waited for the weaning of the money supply from the population. Redistribution of budget flows, infusion into promising high-tech industries, the creation of at least a part of the promised 25 million places ... Dimon, and what do you have in addition to the pension dispute?

[Jolly oldster sailor]

No, I understand that if there is health and a desire to work ... And if there is no health? Do you want to live like that, do you have it? At our place of work, not everyone was able to retire, but now what?

[major147]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

No, I understand that if there is health and a desire to work ... And if there is no health? Do you want to live like that, do you have it? At our place of work, not everyone was able to retire, but now what?

If there is no health - disability.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: major147

If there is no health - disability.

Scha, scattered. In order to get disability, you need to go through fire, water and copper-plated pipes.

[bionik]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: major147

If there is no health - disability.

Scha, scattered. In order to get disability, you need to go through fire, water and copper-plated pipes.

Every year it needs to be confirmed .., otherwise suddenly a person’s leg will grow. !!!

[prapor55]

And the procedure for pipe sinking must be repeated annually until the client is completely repose. I advise you major to personally try to go through this procedure, and then live on this disability pension.

[DED_peer_DED]

On the "disability" of our "free medicine", you know SKOK to dump their hard-earned money, nada?
Ah, there are none. Ah, there is a disabled person.
The dilemma, you know ...

[Sergei75]

Please stop paying deductions to the pension fund from my salary and pay it in black.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: major147

If there is no health - disability.

Today, disability is reduced, and generally removed, they also say there is no money in the treasury. Why only the stock of gold and foreign exchange is growing. Anyway, we don’t need a gold reserve if the ruble from the dollar dances.

[Curbstone xnumx]

That they won’t give you, and if they give it, then before that the whole soul and money will shake

[ARES623]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

And if you don’t have health? Do you want to live like that, it turns out? At our place of work, not everyone reached their retirement, but now what?

Where do you work, if not a secret? Judging by the fact that not everyone at your production reaches the pension, then your production is classified as harmful. And if so, then for the proposed activities your deadlines will remain the same as now. And health must be protected while it is ... And without reforms it is better to go on "well-deserved rest" than to queue at the hospital registry and the pharmacy. “As you want, so live” is not a difficult matter, it is more difficult to “want” correctly and in a timely manner.

[DED_peer_DED]

Some suggest accumulate.
Accumulate?
So, they’ll make a default, a dollar at 250 rubles, a ruble denomination with a limited exchange of old money for new ....
Sound familiar?
So this is the "pension savings system".

[Curbstone xnumx]

That is why, money must be stored in dollars, euros, real estate, gold. In short, anything to store, only not in rubles.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

And if there is no health?

then there will be a "painful necessity".

[Tatyana]

Quote: Dimontius

Dimon, and what do you have at the exit, besides a pension dispute, nothing?

Well why not? Of course I have. For example, DAM has already expressed its intention to exercise its right to Israeli citizenship! True, he declared this in 2011, but I think that his intentions remain valid.

Published: May 14 2011

[sabakina]

Tatiana, good Friday! Today on "Mayak" I heard:

The publication Science Alert named the European, Asian and other countries of the world that are most susceptible to demographic time bombs due to lower fertility and an increase in the proportion of older people. These include the USA, Spain, Italy, South Korea, as well as Japan and China.

https://russianpulse.ru/lenta/2018/08/09/1734161-nazvany-vymirayuschie-nbsp-strany
So who is dying out there? Ah, Tatyan? Note that Russia is not on the list. Goebbels is resting ...

[ARES623]

So what? How many statements are made by the heads of state to please the interlocutor, and they are not binding and not leading? MDA, what, already an Israeli citizen? I have not heard of his acquisition of Israeli citizenship. But in the store I see Russian-made products instead of imports. And this, by the way, is the work of the same government. For those who have failed in their lives and only see themselves as traitorous officials, I consider it useless to talk about the achievements of the state. Those who consider themselves "patient" all their lives will end up as victims, this is fate (chosen voluntarily, although not always consciously).

[nov_tech.vrn]

they say there is a word "thanks" and there is a word "in spite of"

[ARES623]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

they say there is a word "thanks" and there is a word "in spite of"

Are you talking about? About the fact that some structure, contrary to the government, squeezed out foreign competitors from the Russian domestic market? Or did you mean something else?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: ARES623

But in the store I see Russian-made products instead of imports.

I don’t even see Russian shoelaces. Can you name what you see?

[ARES623]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I don’t even see Russian shoelaces.

Sorry, I don’t eat laces.

[An60]

Take a closer look, the Russians are painted in tricolor and at the ends are a portrait of Medvedev.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: An60

, Russians painted in tricolor and at the ends of a portrait of Medvedev.

I have a cap. With a tricolor, and the coat of arms of Russia, only without Medvedev. True, on the back, what kind of abracadabra is in Latin, but I hope that they sewed it.

[tomket]

Quote: ARES623

And this, by the way, is the work of the same government.

Winter has passed, summer has come - thanks to the government for this ...

[ARES623]

Quote: tomket

Winter has passed, summer has come - thanks to the government for this ...

Why not? Our temperature in winter reaches 55 degrees below zero. All infrastructure is working. Those who in real work are connected with life support issues can confirm that this is the serious work of the executive branch. For example, look at the UK. There last winter died from diseases directly related to hypothermia in places of permanent residence, approx. 48 older people. And you probably thought it was funny?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Dimontius

Dimon, and what do you have at the exit, besides a pension dispute, nothing?

Well why not? Of course I have. For example, DAM has already expressed its intention to exercise its right to Israeli citizenship! True, he declared this in 2011, but I think that his intentions remain valid.

Published: May 14 2011

In Israel, retire in 67 years coming.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Krasnodar

In Israel, retire in 67 years coming.

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To receive a pension Medvedev, living abroad - in the same Israel - will not be according to the laws of Israel, but according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Since Medvedev has already gained his experience in obtaining a pension in the Russian Federation. Namely.

Initially, the monetary content of high-ranking officials was formed (from monetary compensation and encouragement) in such a way so as not to show that officials earn a lot. And the REWARD in this case is about 4 / 5 of all their earnings.

All former Russian prime ministers are eligible for 55 — 75% of the REMUNERING CURRENT CHAIRMAN'S REWARDS PAYMENT PAYMENT from the Presidential Decree on Pensions to former senior officials from 1995 of the year. After the April increase in the salary of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev to 570 thousand rubles. ex-premieres may claim monthly payments in 313,5 — 427,5 thousand rubles. The minimum share is due to ex-prime ministers who have worked on government posts from 1 years to 3 years, the maximum - to those whose experience is more than 3 years.
In addition to the monthly payments, the ex-prime ministers, like other former senior officials, receive a retirement pension - an average of 17 — 18 thousand rubles, a source close to the Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) notes.

Former Russian presidents are not subject to the decree of the 1995 of the year - in 2001, a special law was passed for them. The ex-president, who left all government posts, is guaranteed lifetime maintenance in 75% of the remuneration of the current head of state. According to RBC estimates, this share now exceeds 536 thousand rubles. (in April, Vladimir Putin increased his salary to 715 thousand rubles). For the same payment of 75%, ex-president Dmitry Medvedev may also claim.

See - https://topwar.ru/145464-medvedev-pensionnaja-reforma-boleznenna-no-neobhodima.html#comment

Thus, Medvedev in Israel, no longer working in public services, will receive monthly lifelong maintenance from the Russian Federation on the order of 402-536 thousand rubles.

And why should Medvedev not wipe away from popular anger from Russia to Israel?
Look, Yatsenyuk from Ukraine washed off to the USA on time and feels great there!

[Curbstone xnumx]

That's where the money from the pension fund goes, paying 350 tys to all former prime ministers.

[stasimar]

He will be paid through the mossad with the wording: for parasitism on the Russian people.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Krasnodar
In Israel, retire in 67 years coming.

----------------------------------
To receive a pension Medvedev, living abroad - in the same Israel - will not be according to the laws of Israel, but according to the laws of the Russian Federation. Since Medvedev has already gained his experience in obtaining a pension in the Russian Federation. Namely.

Initially, the monetary content of high-ranking officials was formed (from monetary rewards and incentives) in such a way as not to show that officials earn a lot. And the REWARD in this case is about 4 / 5 of all their earnings.

All former Russian prime ministers are eligible for 55 — 75% of the REMUNERING CURRENT CHAIRMAN'S REWARDS PAYMENT PAYMENT from the Presidential Decree on Pensions to former senior officials from 1995 of the year. After the April increase in the salary of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev to 570 thousand rubles. ex-premieres may claim monthly payments in 313,5 — 427,5 thousand rubles. The minimum share is due to ex-prime ministers who have worked on government posts from 1 years to 3 years, the maximum - to those whose experience is more than 3 years.
In addition to the monthly payments, the ex-prime ministers, like other former senior officials, receive a retirement pension - an average of 17 — 18 thousand rubles, a source close to the Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) notes.

Former Russian presidents are not subject to the decree of the 1995 of the year - in 2001, a special law was passed for them. The ex-president, who left all government posts, is guaranteed lifetime maintenance in 75% of the remuneration of the current head of state. According to RBC estimates, this share now exceeds 536 thousand rubles. (in April, Vladimir Putin increased his salary to 715 thousand rubles). For the same payment of 75%, ex-president Dmitry Medvedev may also claim.

See - https://topwar.ru/145464-medvedev-pensionnaja-reforma-boleznenna-no-neobhodima.html#comment

Thus, Medvedev in Israel, no longer working in public services, will receive monthly lifelong maintenance from the Russian Federation on the order of 402-536 thousand rubles.

And why should Medvedev not wipe away from popular anger from Russia to Israel?
Look, Yatsenyuk from Ukraine washed off to the USA on time and feels great there!

[DED_peer_DED]

Mendel is not my brother. But your video is about nothing. "Cutting" without recognition.
Why such "facts"?
More thoroughly necessary, more careful ...

[Jolly oldster sailor]

But who was waiting? No one was waiting, they taught us to hope for a long time, and not for benefactors ...

[Sergey-8848]

With pensions, taking into account the referendum, it does not seem to break off. We must, as always, transfer time zones back and forth! Maybe help!

[ancestors from Don]

Medvedev admitted that the Russian economy is sick? then the question is who "infected" her and who claims to be a doctor? It would be great pleasure to retire this whole camarilla!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Dimontius

Everyone was waiting for real reforms in the economy after the election, and waited for the weaning of the money supply.

They waited in vain, there was almost no specifics in Putin's promises. It was clear that economic policy would not turn to the left, most likely it would turn to the right, except that the "leap" ... funds from citizens turned out to be too sharp. Well duck GDP and to the master of fast moves.

[Vadim237]

They will create it — only there is no one to work on, won’t have to invite a welder from Moscow to the Volgograd Region, because they couldn’t find a whole month on the spot.

[Vend]

It is necessary to reform not only the pension system, but also the FIU .. And citizens must choose the system of pension savings themselves.

[Mordvin 3]

And who didn’t give you? I remember how might private pension funds advertised.

Quote: Wend

And citizens should choose their own pension savings system.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

private pension funds

So the private ones got covered with a brazen one. The other day, Gazprom has borrowed 40 billion from these pension funds because of the impossibility of foreign investment. Another figure with a private foundation rushed to Paris, irrevocably

[sabakina]

Silvestr, And what should be done so that such figures do not tear their claws in Paris? I believe either to return to the Soviet pension system or as in Singapore.

[MPN]

Glory! For the present there is (I am) strength (I go fishing) I am for you !!!

[sabakina]

Pasha, don’t talk about fishing ... When I went, I dreamed of ripples on the water at night ... Tent, bonfire, fishing rods ...

[AUL]

Quote: sabakina

Pasha, don’t talk about fishing ... When I went, I dreamed of ripples on the water at night ... Tent, bonfire, fishing rods ...

What is stopping now? Just don’t say that health - when fishing all ailments disappear!

[New Year day]

Quote: sabakina

And what should be done so that such figures do not tear their claws in Paris?

Glory! back home shackled! possible with a soldering iron in one place

[MPN]

Do not worry, revenge will overtake! Poison the newcomer. !!

[DED_peer_DED]

We'll poison the old people - a beginner, and the newcomers, let's get drunk - "Novice".

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Silvestr

Another activist with a private foundation rushed to Paris,

Yeah, but I only remember that there were articles on the topic that a huge amount of money had accumulated in the PFR that they don’t know where to put it, and the population, loafers, didn’t itch in order to transfer this money to private funds, where is the percentage bigger and higher profits.

[sabakina]

Mavrodi also had a huge amount of money. Which then instantly (in cash!) Disappeared in a direction unknown even to Mavrodi ...

[major147]

Quote: sabakina

Mavrodi also had a huge amount of money. Which then instantly (in cash!) Disappeared in a direction unknown even to Mavrodi ...

And the people are puzzling where Zakharchenko has so much money!

[New Year day]

Quote: major147

And the people are puzzling where Zakharchenko has so much money!

and where did he get so much money? Wait for an answer ...

[ARES623]

Quote: Silvestr

So private and covered with copper at once.

Some are probably covered. but not all, and the top as it was, remained with a decent reliability rating.

Quote: Silvestr

The other day Gazprom 40 billion from these pension funds and borrowed because of the impossibility of foreign investment

But how else will the fund earn if it does not make investments. And if foreigners do not invest in Gazprom because of American sanctions, but not because of the negative return on investment, then replacing foreigners with Russian funds (investors) is not a bad decision. In any case, there is no reason to consider this fact as something negative.

[New Year day]

Quote: ARES623

And how else will the fund earn

you do not take strangers for long, you give yours forever!
Where did the money from the FIU go? And it’s not worth talking about these .. Although, maybe it’s crystal honest, but I can hardly believe it

[ARES623]

Quote: Silvestr

you do not take strangers for long, you give yours forever!

You are quite an adult and competent person. Why this sarcasm. You understand that money in banks and investment funds does not grow from dampness, but from credited organizations and individuals. The whole business is built on loans. And all participants in credit relations will try to earn as much as possible on each other within the limits of regulatory capabilities. The question of "crystal honesty" is regulated by a close look of "regulators" of all stripes. Doubt, of course, is possible, as in the roundness of the Earth. But it is better to appeal to some confirmed data, investigations, etc. Again, this is my outlook on life. Everyone has their own way of life.

[New Year day]

Quote: ARES623

But it is better to appeal to some confirmed data, investigations, etc.

Boris Mints. Assistant Chubais in the AP chief for local government. After leaving AP, Mintz opens another business of his own - buying up non-state pension funds (NPFs). And by the middle of last year, it was putting Telecom-Soyuz, SteelFond, OPS well-being, Uralsib, Education, Our Future, Social Development in its pocket. The pyramid principle was in effect. A fund was acquired, then attractive conditions for investing pension funds were announced. People directed their money - and another NPF was bought on them. And so in a circle.
All the acquired funds Mintz united into one structure - the “Future Group”. In 2016, she became the largest owner of pension funds in the country.
After tightening by the Central Bank, cunning businessmen began to use pension funds as cash cows. But you can send no more than 15% of the fund's pension savings funds to one company (or a group of interconnected ones). To get around this limitation, cross-investment has been used. This idea was implemented in the “Moscow Ring”, which, as expected, included Otkrytie FC, Binbank, Promsvyazbank and MKB. And the fifth element was the O1 Group of Mintz.
This is true. The NPF sends up to 15% of its pension funds to each of the 4 banks of the “brotherhood of the ring”. Banks transfer these funds to the family office of Mints, and she purchases real estate. Plus 15% of the NPF is directed to the purchase of real estate directly. As a result, up to 75% of pension funds can be withdrawn from the fund - but the law has not been violated.
First Such a scheme, they say, worked out banker Anatoly Motylev. All of his 7 pension funds and 4 banks burst. The Investigative Committee opened a case of fraud, but, as usual, is late: Motylev flew away. Also to London. Allocated to investors 33 billion rubles. paid by the state.
The next was Mintz, who drove out with a sum of 1 trillion rubles

[Vadim237]

More like a fairy tale.

[New Year day]

this tale is good, start over. This is reality. Although criminal cases are a reality, our justice is a fairy tale, for them

[ARES623]

Quote: Silvestr

The next was Mintz, who drove out with a sum of 1 trillion rubles

I do not think that the state will forget Mints. Moreover, his main property is in Moscow. In general, I agree that any construction of its own perspective carries risks. We are no exception. In the United States, when the mortgage market fell, people jumped out of the windows like grasshoppers. But they have an old, overorganized market, with a bunch of insurances, etc. We're just getting started. In any case, I decided for myself that it is better to do something than wait for a default stupidly, as some "luminaries of the economy" suggest. When you postpone a little, even their loss does not have fatal consequences. Moreover, the main investments are insured. You only lose investment expectations. Freedom means risks and responsibility for your actions.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: ARES623

Freedom is the risks and responsibility for one’s actions.

Perhaps it’s better not to say. Thank!

[DED_peer_DED]

Our money from the PFR went into the pockets of business oligarchs close to the authorities in Moscow!
All there Deripasok, Alekperovs, Fridmanov, Vekselbergs, Rotenbergs and others like them - Abramovich.
The "Biggest cable-stayed bridge in the Far East (the largest of all in Russia, Korea, Japan, etc.) was built, stretching from Vladivostok to the" void ", yes, into the void, on the tiny island of Russky, where before, under the USSR was the garrison prison of Vladivostok!
The Vostochny Cosmodrome was built and is being built on pies, where only the lazy did not put their sweaty pens to the people's money, where hundreds of criminal cases were initiated against embezzlement, which everyone had already forgotten about.
Constructed facilities for the Sochi Olympics. The road from Sochi to the Rosa Khutor alone cost so much that if it were made of gold, it would cost less. Now, many of these objects are empty and destroyed.
The MEGA bridge was built and continues to be built between the Kuban and Crimea by the citizens of Rotenberg, with adjacent infrastructure, roads, networks, etc.
Stadiums, roads, bridges, etc., were built all over Russia for the 2018 FIFA World Cup.
Many of which are already partially destroyed and are destroyed further, even from the first rain.
Palaces were built for the Pension Fund throughout Russia and in the regions, they were built according to individual, non-standard projects, which means that they have no price!
These and many similar MEGAPROJECTS, which do not give anything to a simple working people, were built and are built on money from the Pension Fund of Russia, bringing real benefit only to those businessmen who built these unique, unimaginable objects - objects.
And now, we are told that there is no money in the PFR ... "but, you - hold on!"

[udincev]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

And now, we are told that there is no money in the PFR ... "but, you - hold on!"

Need to add.
You forgot about your health wishes ... This is to do without a medical policy.

[nov_tech.vrn]

first of all, to deal with the FIU, then after putting things in order, first, deal with the balances on the FIU’s accounts and disperse the team that brought the pension problems to such a state, then deal with the financial and economic team, bring the reforms already under way today, present the results of these events to people, and then we will talk about whether it is necessary to raise the retirement age or to conduct competent optimization of income and expenses.

[udincev]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

+4
first of all - deal with the FIU

it is undoubtedly necessary to deal with the FIU. But first of all it is necessary to deal with the substitution of the concept of "pension". Now the pension is money, with which, supposedly, the worker now must provide maintenance for the survival of the worker who has already worked up to a certain age. And once it was a "well-deserved vacation" paid by the state. As the saying goes, "feel the difference" and let's dance from it.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: udincev

Now the pension is money, which, supposedly, now the worker must provide maintenance for the survival of the worker who has already worked up to a certain age. And once it was a "well-deserved rest" paid by the state

Whatever you call it, pensions have always been paid from current income. That is precisely due to working.
Or do you still think that under the USSR a personal savings account was opened personally for each employee? Not even funny, you know ...

Quote: udincev

As the saying goes "feel the difference" ...

None.

Quote: udincev

... and let's dance from this

Well, I want to - read, sing, dance.

The problem with pension provision in the Russian Federation does exist, the only question is how to solve it

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Golovan Jack

The problem with pension provision in the Russian Federation does exist, the only question is how to solve it

Maybe for a start it is necessary to find the initiators and executors of the previous reforms and condemn them demonstratively, with the withdrawal from them of everything acquired by back-breaking labor, and some of them would be shot for the edification of the next "reformers". Three times they were already kinky going out to the people with pension innovations and every time the money disappeared somewhere. The question "Where?" - no one is interested in the government, like - "well, they disappeared and disappeared, what can you do now. We are not in business, and you will strain for another 5 and 8 years, respectively, according to the gender of the born, in order to fill up the egg-capsule with whatever comes from it with government support, dishonest people kidnapped.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The question "Where?" - nobody is interested in the government, like - "well, disappeared and disappeared, what can you do now

The question is not for me - I do not know for certain what is there and who is "interested" in the government. And on topics in which I do not understand anything nice, I prefer not to talk.

Quote: Nyrobsky

you will strain for another 5 and 8 years, respectively, according to the gender of the nee, in order to add to the egg

This also does not delight me. Since 3 years and 8 years (I am to myself, my beloved, now) is a very significant difference.
Nevertheless, if you have noticed, I am not yelling here with a beluga "Help, they are robbing", but calmly trying to figure out what is happening.
Why all the others who have in their head what is supposed to be nature, and not like Winnie the Pooh - I urge.

That's about as

[ARES623]

Quote: Golovan Jack

The problem with pension provision in the Russian Federation does exist, the only question is how to solve it

I would even remind that pension has always been considered insufficient for a decent life (except for "personal pensioners"). The question of how to increase the pension has always been.

[AUL]

Quote: ARES623

Quote: Golovan Jack

The problem with pension provision in the Russian Federation does exist, the only question is how to solve it

I would even remind that pension has always been considered insufficient for a decent life (except for "personal pensioners").

In 1972 I started work as a computer engineer of the 3rd category with a salary of 110 rubles. The maximum pension (not personal, but with full experience) was 132 rubles, and without the addition for seniority (10%) - 120 rubles. The one that is not necessary about "always"!

[ARES623]

Quote from AUL

The one that is not necessary about "always"!

Today I also have a good pension, but this does not mean at all that everyone has the same. Those who lack a lot more. And you forgot about collective farmers. So it’s not worth singing about the USSR. Then gasoline per liter was equal to a glass of soda with syrup. Not a very good example. You have forgotten a lot since then ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Recall the USSR ...
There was no Pension Fund in the USSR, no deductions from enterprises to the Pension Fund - there was not, as it is now. And people who reached retirement age retired - they received pension payments.
How so?
Why didn’t anyone in the USSR tell retirees how many young and strong people work to earn a pension for one pensioner?
Why are they trying to explain to us from morning to night, from TV screens, that there are a lot of pensioners and that there aren’t enough workers for all of them, so the number of "loafers" needs to be reduced?
The country does not have enough funds for retirement!
At that time, when the Pension Fund, over the past few years, was used as a "cash cow" for various meaningless, but expensive MEGASUPERprojects.

[udincev]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Whatever you call it, pensions have always been paid from current income.

Can you tell me who in the USSR made current payments to finance pensions? Pension in the USSR was paid for the fact that a person in the process of working life increased the wealth of the country, contributed to its progress and due to this.

Quote: Golovan Jack

None.

Well, well

Quote: Golovan Jack

The problem with pension provision in the Russian Federation does exist, the only question is how to solve it

There is no problem, or rather far-fetched and hung on the ears too protruding (ears). There are IMF recommendations.

[DED_peer_DED]

The one, "tovaGisch", shifts everything onto himself. Nu-nu ...
There are no wives, such as no, no children, no grandchildren.
About "friends and loved ones ....", let's keep quiet, together ...
Oh yes ...
Himself "beloved", ONE are ready to grieve.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: udincev

Can you tell me who in the USSR made current payments to finance pensions?

Enterprises paid the so-called "insurance premiums" to the budget. That is, from the earned by the enterprise (read - currently working at this enterprise), and pensions were paid to those already retired.
Find three differences from the current scheme

Quote: udincev

Pension in the USSR was paid for the fact that a person in the process of working life increased the wealth of the country, contributed to its progress ...

That's right ... but the question is not "for what", but "from what means", isn't it?

Quote: udincev

... and due to this

Wrong. There were no pension savings in the USSR... Therefore, your "due to this (multiplied and contributed)" - "does not take off"

Quote: udincev

There is no problem, or rather far-fetched and hanged on the ears too protruding (ears)

Rude is harmful

Quote: udincev

There are IMF recommendations

Perhaps there is. Probably no. This does not change the essence of the problem. The demographic hole, a consequence of the "wonderful 90s", no one, you know, has been canceled
PS: minus the antagonists: your efforts to me ... Look, don't fly ... guys

[udincev]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Find three differences from the current scheme

I found only one difference: nothing in common.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: udincev

Quote: Golovan Jack

Find three differences from the current scheme

I found only one difference: nothing in common.

Well, with believers I do not argue.
Happily, and may you dream of IMF recommendations :)
By the way, yes - and from what, in fact, the hangover of the Russian Federation should perform them? Let me remind you that the Russian Federation paid off its debt to the IMF back in 2005. That is, the IMF has not been able to "dictate" for 12+ years, what's the matter?
Please the next portion of the horse of Spyrology, otherwise something is boring :)
PS: In general, arguing against many well-known and obvious facts is a deliberately losing occupation. I would, in your place, Uzbeks already ...

[udincev]

Quote: Golovan Jack

PS: In general, arguing against many well-known and obvious facts is a deliberately losing occupation.

Specifically, what are the facts? The fact that with the existence of the USSR, the West did not dare to increase the PV and extend the working day for more than 8 hours is a fact. But they recoup after the collapse of the USSR in full. The impression that after 1991 the development and progress of scientific and technological progress turned in the opposite direction and there was no catastrophic shortage of funds except for increasing the wealth of the richest.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: udincev

Specifically, what are the facts?

Mail arrives badly. Here I look at the letter, and I feel - didn't get it (C)
All wrote already. Already twice. And that’s not it? Okay, repetition is the mother of learning:

Quote: Golovan Jack

There were no pension savings in the USSR ... Enterprises paid so-called "insurance premiums" to the budget. That is - from the earnings of the enterprise (read - currently working at this enterprise), and pensions were paid to those already retired

Is anything else incomprehensible?

The only thing that is interesting is why, in your opinion, the fright of the Russian Federation is obliged to fulfill the "recommendations of the IMF". But the answer, as I understand it, will not be due to your non-possession of the subject of discussion.
If so - go ... in peace

[Vadim237]

Of course, a planned economy, it has nothing but markets.

[DED_peer_DED]

Ага.
The right hand should VERY painfully hit the left so that it hurts.
Question: Ah, the uneven system in both hands, one? Or a few of them?
How will the pain receptors of the nervous system react to the blow of one arm on its other arm?

[Vladimir 5]

The outrage at the pension reform basically reflects outrage at the entire government. The boiler boils, but there is no fuse, - the president did not change the cabinet and the prime minister ...

[marshes]

Quote: Wend

And citizens should choose their own pension savings system.

Don’t think about it, money disappears from private pension funds, this is a passed stage. Moreover, they didn’t pay a fee to the directors to attract money, but where will the employee work after five -10 years and they don’t get any money at all.

Yes, and the state pension fund spends as he wants.

A simple way of investing in children is education and housing, if possible, upbringing. Although the youngest should live with his parents, all the property is not shared, it will be transferred to him. This is the way it should be in the south. Yes, there should be at least 2 children in the family, preferably for more.

[DED_peer_DED]

"Our state" will not allow to invest in "crooks".
Already people bend over for pigs (nizya ...), for chicken coops (nizya ....), for their own money drilled wells!
And in 3-5 years? What will they fight for?

[Simargl]

Quote: Wend

It is necessary to reform not only the pension system, but also the FIU

Actually, the economy as a whole!
Working poor - how is it?
Well, if a person is interrupted by earnings, but having a job on an ongoing basis ...
We have no savings in practice.
And pensioners who failed to be taken in time will take away already scarce and almost moneyless places. Well, the production of accidents will be added.

[Sergey ippon]

I agree — the completely stupid and gluttonous structure of the PFR — devours all accumulations and, even in the budget, piles up on its buildings 10 times more expensive than the estimate.
They coped well with the tax, especially in the century.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: Wend

And citizens should choose their own pension savings system.

The question is how much and how much it will be possible to accumulate, not to mention that inflation eats up the accumulations and paper set aside at 20 years old by 60 years old will turn into a pumpkin, deposit holders can go broke. Remember what happened to the pension savings in the 91st? And for capitalism, ruin is the norm. those. the payment of pensions must be laid in the budget, and let everyone save as he pleases.

[MPN]

When is it already? Yes, when they’ll probably never stop broadcasting ... Well, there’s no Medvedev, they told him to say that ... With me, I probably won’t see this happiness ...

[siberalt]

What is he, again mocks !!!

[AlexKissner]

No, not mocking ... Behaving as usual ...

[Friday]

Quote: Dimontius

Everyone was waiting for real reforms in the economy after the election, and waited for the weaning of the money supply from the population. Redistribution of budget flows, infusion into promising high-tech industries, the creation of at least a part of the promised 25 million places ... Dimon, and what do you have in addition to the pension dispute?

From the phrase retirement reform heartburn.
The collision of the Titanic with an iceberg in this case is also a reform.

I’m curious how everything will turn.
So why should I hire a young man for twenty thousand if I can find a competent person in years who agrees to work for ten thousand?

[123456789]

Quote: Friday

So why should I hire a young man for twenty thousand if I can find a competent person in years who agrees to work for ten thousand?

And you take an Indian ... He will work for $ 30.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Igoresha

USSR laid a mine, not otherwise

To be more precise, this is not a mine from the USSR, but the IMF recommendation that the fund rolled out to Russia at consultations in May 2017. So you can’t say that Medvedev is cunning saying -

Such changes in the pension legislation do not please people at all, even if a person wants to work further. Even in government, these reforms do not please anyone, but they are necessary.

He's lying, because taking the government under the hood, he fulfills the IMF's wishes. In order not to be unfounded, here is a link to the article, how this action took place and who attended the consultations ....
https://nstarikov.ru/blog/95129

[DED_peer_DED]

So what is the real essence of the so-called pension reform and where do its legs grow from?
In 2017, authorities in Moscow were negotiating with the International Monetary Fund.
The negotiations were attended by economists, representatives of the Central Bank of Russia, members and representatives of the Russian government.
Representatives of the IMF insisted and included in the final documents of the negotiations the condition of MANDATORY pension reform in Russia. Here is verbatim from the IMF Country Report No. 17/197: quote
“And finally, over time, more significant budget savings can be achieved through parametric reform of the pension system. . ” end of quote.
Paragraph 16 of this report states, I quote further, “

16. The authorities are committed to fiscal consolidation.

Although the approval of the pension reform can only happen some time after the presidential election, they discussed three sets of measures that can be considered: i) raising and leveling the retirement age established by law; ii) reduction of retirement benefits in case of early retirement; iii) reduction of pension payments for pensioners who have not reached the mandatory retirement age. ”
end of quote.
So, that's where these legs come from!

[Greg Miller]

Here it is a worthy response to the new American sanctions !!!

[romandostalo]

The whole bummer is that you thought that for another 7 years you’ll get at least some increase to what is called a salary, but they tell you that you won’t get any nifig!

[DED_peer_DED]

Sanctions?
One "pocket" refused to put some of his money in - another pocket!
In one, a trifle, in the other - chervonets.
Sanctions, however ...

[tomket]

Quote: Igoresha

USSR laid a mine, not otherwise

Take it deeper, Ivan the Terrible ....

[ANCIENT]

It’s so easy to justify their professional inappropriateness by imposing a reform on a country that is already being told by society, and at the moment is simply pointless.

[Dormidont]

He only voices the text written by Chubais

[sabakina]

Does he have his own brains? Apparently yes ...

[romandostalo]

And he just like that ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Chabaty, Naked Tailed, Feet, Parhaty and others.

[Sergey ippon]

absolutely right, like Putin.

[ANCIENT]

I'm even afraid to imagine what awaits a country with such "reformers" next? Someone wants to repeat the Ukrainian scenario of the Maidan here ???

[New Year day]

The iPhone wants it, he just hasn't thought about it yet.

[syndicalist]

Avoid Maidan is their main and only goal. Even at the cost of the death of the country

[Humpty]

Matches are hidden from villages like Dmitry Anatolyevich.

[ANCIENT]

Vedmedev learned to make fire by the method of friction of ipad on the ear! Well, a clean flamethrower !!!

[Tersky]

Quote: Humpty

Matches are hidden from people like Dmitry Anatolyevich in villages

You can’t throw meat into a dog ....

[ARES623]

Quote: Humpty

Matches are hidden from villages like Dmitry Anatolyevich.

Boldly! Especially knowing that no one will ask to answer for the bazaar. Go ahead. We have such a folk amusement - behind the back of anyone who is near or above, to say all sorts of nasty things. And a bunch of "toothless old women" will support and spread the well-folded dirt to the media person in the corners. I'm not trying to "drown" Medvedev, but any criticism should be based on specific flaws and defects. And here - some "labels". If someone spits in the trail behind your back for no specific reason, you will be indignant. And you will do the right thing. Why do you yourself become like a cowardly bully? After all, we are claiming some kind of civilization ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Duc Facebook with Tweeters we did not come up with.
And, just - THESE, big-eyed pancake.
And the Telegram generations, they - REVEALED!
Let now, eat, do not slap.
Oh, about the bazaar ...
Oh, there are different people.
Just imagine, a person is 67 years old, has cancer ... something, for example.
He should look "our" government in the mouth?
Especially with an alternative (s) view of situevina?
Ah, there’s just that crazy.
AND,?

[ARES623]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Just imagine, a person is 67 years old, has cancer ... something, for example.
He should look "our" government in the mouth?

I do not like to blame someone indiscriminately, but many "cancers" begin with quite tangible ailments. For example, rectal cancer, in most cases, is preceded by common hemorrhoids, the presence of which is very difficult to miss. But with a certain neglect, after acute and chronic, you can get an oncological diagnosis. Whom do you want to make a claim to? To Medvedev personally? And so in most cases. Conversations on this topic with a medical examiner (I have such a friend) destroy all faith in the human mind to dust. And when someone complains about the lack of health today, I want to ask a sacramental question - did you remember your health yesterday? Or ten or two years ago? But how can you blame yourself, dear? Everyone is guilty except "I". Some fathers notice their children only at school graduation, and even then, when his cops take him home drunk. A certificate for 2 plus, no brains, no profession, no salary, his family has to retire along with his drag, who is to blame? Of course, the government, the school, ........., but not myself. But the reasoning with beer or something stronger about the state economy, spaceships in the big theater ... and of course about predatory reforms and mediocre government.

Quote: DED_peer_DED

Ah, there’s just that crazy.
AND,?

And their thousands!

[Humpty]

Quote: ARES623

Boldly! Especially knowing that no one will ask to answer for the bazaar. Go ahead

Felting. In my deep conviction, Dmitry Medvedev, the head of the Russian government, is a conductor of cannibalistic domestic politics. Moreover, he himself does not suspect it.
There are concrete reasons for thinking so. For example, he put forward the idea that a large part of the Russian population should wander. This is not a flaw, it is a vivid example of a distorted vision. Dissociation.

[ARES623]

Quote: Humpty

There are concrete reasons for thinking so. For example, he put forward the idea that a large part of the Russian population should wander. This is not a defect

A significant part of the population is too lazy to get off the couch, that's why they live the way they live. "If you want to live, turn around" is not invented by Medvedev. Ultimately, everyone has the right to build life as he pleases, crying and laughing is not prohibited. In general, it's even good that there are a lot of lazy people. Then, for prosperity, you don't need to get tired too much. I moved a little - already in the leaders. No matter how cynical it may sound, the strongest and most enterprising survive (in the best sense of the word). The rest will remain what the first did not "master". You can treat this as you like, but this rule cannot be changed by the willful decision of the masses. Alcohol does not flow under the lying pilot.

[Sergey ippon]

talking heads are to blame ?
Well then, TVs also bear the same blame - everything!

[Million]

"President Vladimir Putin will soon become more actively involved in explaining the pension reform."
The guarantor swam ....

[DED_peer_DED]

Garant is a legal reference system under the laws of the Russian Federation, developed by NPP Garant-Service-University LLC, the first mass commercial legal reference system in Russia (issued since 1990) [2]. Distributed through a dealer network of more than 250 companies in Russia and the CIS.
Wiki

[kakvastam]

Apparently, the government’s rating of the president hindered the government, so they decided to reset it.
A competent move, you can’t argue — take advantage of the boss’s trust and economic illiteracy to make him a person who is not responsible for his words.

[Flatter]

The head, just knew about the post-election steps of the government, and therefore did not hear from him his own program for the development of the economy. And if the government consists of the same people, then the head is happy with everything.

[Zadayvoprosy]

I sincerely do not understand, for what purpose do you strive to shield him so much? If he really isn’t responsible for anything, why did they choose him at all?

[forty-eighth]

What kind of economic illiteracy can we talk about if Putin is a candidate of economic sciences?

[Ivan Ivanov]

At the forums, Putin voices the position of the liberal school quite competently.

[New Year day]

Well, I don’t believe him, I don’t believe that! He lives in the looking glass and thinks cosmically. One must walk on the earth, on the earth.

[pas682010]

He does not need to walk on the ground. Desirable muzzle grinning on the ground. And more than once.

[sabakina]

Quote: Silvestr

Well, I don’t believe him, I don’t believe that! He lives in the looking glass and thinks cosmically. One must walk on the earth, on the earth.

Silvestr, you have no idea how difficult it is to be a god on an alien planet!

Well, and classic!

[lis-ik]

Quote: Silvestr

Well, I don’t believe him, I don’t believe that! He lives in the looking glass and thinks cosmically. One must walk on the earth, on the earth.

He is more mundane than many, he has built his empire for a long time already, I think he will not wait to drop this burden and lay down quietly.

[DED_peer_DED]

“Well, I don’t believe him, I don’t believe that’s all! He lives in the looking glass and thinks cosmically. You have to walk on earth, on earth."

With cranes on the ground?
What is it like?

[NKT]

Medvedev compared the pension reform with bitter medicine, which is necessary to drink to get rid of the disease, even though the person does not want it, but if you do not drink it, then everything can end in tragedy.

Why don’t you drink this bitter medicine yourself? All syrup and syrup.

[sabakina]

They don’t have syrup, they have mead ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

They have another pill - "responsibility", as they themselves say, for it and get their millions, written out to themselves.

[hohol95]

And they will not try to create more jobs and bring many private traders out of the "shadow"?

[DED_peer_DED]

"They" are trying to reduce the number of inhabitants of Russia (on the advice of many foreign sages) to 15-25 million people they need for extraction, pumping and protection of production and pumping.

[Sergey ippon]

Well, not sharing with you)

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: hohol95

And they will not try to create more jobs and bring many private traders out of the "shadow"?

Create a powerful public sector, as in China, IP-shniki themselves out of the shadows, sticking to orders.

[valek97]

And what will he do as a result with the young generation, which has just come out and has no work experience? And what about the elderly who will linger on the labor market for 10 years and take the place of youth? Not afraid of the consequences of different? For example: (departure of educated people abroad as a result of total unemployment and poverty), unrest in the internal and external political arena and the use of those who are dissatisfied with the situation?
If it is accepted unchanged, then where are the levers by which jobs will be created?
Over 10 years, 15 million pensioners will be poured onto the market. 3 million jobs will be created. What will happen to 12 million pensioners, and consequently to the young generation who cannot find work? Why then not completely leave this system, do it by analogy like in Finland or Singapore (bank account). Can the state guarantee the stability of the exchange rate and the ruble in the future?

[Vadim237]

I would not give such forecasts for 10 years, since changes over these 10 years can be significant both in plus and minus.

[Sergey ippon]

I agree, a little 20 years of collapse!
still dozens of little kids-we’ll eat everything allied and you can in the trash of civilization?

[Vadim237]

Each year, 480000 people retire - something that does not agree with these figures, with 15 million in ten years with you.

[valek97]

The numbers are not mine. They are voiced by deputy Shein in the State Duma and on the Tsargrad channel, the labor committee. Everything comes from there.

[Vadim237]

He simply decided to dream up - the real numbers of 4800000 pensioners by 2028, and this is with the current pension system.

[DED_peer_DED]

OH...
Here it is, their "young generation" -

[udincev]

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev says pension reform is needed by the country, and the government could not do otherwise

/ If the government cannot do otherwise, it must leave. Reforms over the past decades have so improved the pension system that reform is really needed, but not at the direction of the IMF, rather the opposite.
In addition to pension matters, the prime minister would deign to speak out about raising taxes and fees (there is not enough money to compensate the "injured and tortured" oligarchs), "maneuvers" to set prices for resources consumed within the country at the level of world prices. Bitter medicines too?
I would also mention the diseases for which he treats the country ...

[sabakina]

Victor, oh, how we are missing Evgeni Primakov! If my memory wasn’t lost, then he did everything exactly the opposite, which was recommended by the IMF ...

[udincev]

Quote: sabakina

If my memory wasn’t lost, then he did everything exactly the opposite, which was recommended by the IMF ...

Exactly. That's why they left him quickly, that through his efforts, despite the "recommendations", he took the country away from the abyss. And what are those sitting in power for a long time now? ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: udincev

If the government cannot do otherwise, it must leave.

In yourself.

[udincev]

Quote: DED_peer_DED

In yourself.

Well, I do not for good! Desirable voluntarily, Without severance pay and gold parachutes, for a soft landing

[Krasnoyarsk]

= The head of the Russian government, Dmitry Medvedev, said that the pension reform is necessary for the country, and the government could not do otherwise, RIA Novosti reports. =

But who would doubt that IT is a government and is not capable of ANYWHERE.

= He stressed that the Russian pension system in its current state is in a "difficult state" due to the ratio of the number of pensioners to the working population. Today, the ratio is approaching the level of one to one, and this "threatens to completely break the pension =

He lies as he breathes. The pension system is in a "difficult state" because of the emptying pension fund. And it becomes empty because not all the able-bodied population is provided with work, not all individuals and legal entities pay contributions to the Pension Fund required by law, and the employee's labor productivity is so low that he really cannot support not only two, but even one pensioner. With such labor productivity, not only will the Pension Fund collapse, but even Russia may collapse if not to take radical steps to increase labor productivity.
There are two ways to fill PF -
1. Easy for the government, but hard for the people.
2. Heavy for the government (it is necessary to work with rolled up sleeves) and easy for the people.
Our government naturally chose the easy one - it wasn’t for him to work.

[helmi8]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The Russian pension system in its current state is in a "difficult state" due to the ratio of the number of pensioners to the working population. Today the ratio is approaching one to one

This is all called verbiage. Compare the ratio in the 30s of the last century and now - just noodles on the ears of the population. Just think - how many workers were replaced by automatic machines and automatic lines? And how many enterprises have simply ceased to exist during the years of perestroika and democratization? And if we make a comparison with the working population, then it will be more correct to compare not with the number of pensioners, but with the number of officials who account for one worker. And receiving many times higher salaries than workers.

[Setrac]

Quote: helmi8

Just think - how many workers were replaced by automatic machines and automatic lines?

This is so, now the main work is done by machines, and people are taxed with a pension tax - a scheme suitable for the Middle Ages, but not for an industrialized state, employers should pay a pension tax without reference to the employee's wages.
Pension contributions are taken from people - that is, children contain parents, but in this scheme the Pension Fund is the third superfluous, let the children support parents directly, without intermediaries.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Quote: helmi8

Compare the ratio in the 30s of the last century and now - just noodles on the ears of the population

And cynical noodles. The 30s is the first experience in the world of universal pension provision in the world, in the future, despite the increase in the quality of life, it did not increase, on the contrary, it was a question of reducing it. And according to DAM, it turns out that retirement age is like prices - growth can be frozen but not for long, the market. out of the neighbors is growing, we must catch up.

[sabakina]

Krasnoyarsk, you forgot to mention that the FIU is completely opaque. It is not subject to the federal budget. God alone knows where the money goes from the FIU ...

[DED_peer_DED]

In vain, you are killing God.
There, everything is much lower known.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: sabakina

Krasnoyarsk, you forgot to mention that the FIU is completely opaque. It is not subject to the federal budget. God alone knows where the money goes from the FIU ...

Vyacheslav, I know, but you can’t put everything on this issue in a post. Just trying to be brief.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

well, all the minuses introduced, fans of raising pensions in such topics are not marked

[Simargl]

Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

fans raising pensions in such topics are not marked

I am for raising the retirement age (and I may not live up to the present).
But only after the subsistence ration is not considered a hungry rations, as it is now, but a threshold when a family of four has accumulations, when a shortage of labor begins, and industry minimums are set, salaries are strictly limited (and not as it is now), but perhaps the working week has been reduced ...

[Dull]

No problem. Raise the retirement age to 9000 years. Abolish the existing retirement age. The pension for reaching 9000 years will be $ 100000000. Sorry, your pension is not valid. "Ardite maht fry"!

[DED_peer_DED]

And, in my youth (70-80), I said that it is NECESSARY to give a pension in my youth.
To "multiply and multiply ...." in his youth at a full state boarding school.
In peace and peace of mind.
Can you imagine how, in the current conditions, new generations are conceived and born?
In a hurry, in lack of money, in between work and coven!
And which of them will grow?
No...
Pension MUST be young, you believe me ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Simargl

Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

fans raising pensions in such topics are not marked

I am for raising the retirement age (and I may not live up to the present).
But only after the subsistence ration is not considered a hungry rations, as it is now, but a threshold when a family of four has accumulations, when a shortage of labor begins, and industry minimums are set, salaries are strictly limited (and not as it is now), but perhaps the working week has been reduced ...

Andrei, it seems to me that your post was not read carefully by those who threw minuses to you.

[Sergey-8848]

We noticed all of these when voting for the first reading in the State Duma, and then - in all kinds of programs of channel 1-2, where grandmothers of a terrible kind told the whole country how celery helped them, Sobchak was horrified how not to hang out, but wait for retirement at 55; while Boyarsky and the other troglodytes of the Soviet era seriously tried to convince the whole country that they were happy, and so they were still working hard, tirelessly, mustache and sword (getting a pension for about 20 years).

[Setrac]

Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

well, all the minuses introduced, fans of raising pensions in such topics are not marked

I would like to retire early and get more, but you need to understand that the complete abolition of pensions will lead to a sharp increase in fertility within one generation.

[kitt409]

Now he can say a lot of things, but who will believe him?
And it was necessary to start the reform from a completely different perspective - thinking over the system of providing jobs, but not with a whip - no one is particularly afraid of Rostrud, but rather a carrot - tax deductions at a percentage for .. higher and the like ...

[vlad.svargin]

It is significant that the events in Russia took place precisely according to the IMF scenario described above: “approval of the pension reform can occur only some time after the presidential election”.
Representatives of the liberal-economic bloc of the old-new government of the Russian Federation “took it under the hood” and, together with the deputies of “United Russia” and senators of the Federation Council, found a lot of “positive effects” in the planned anti-popular reform. (In P Filimonov, the IMF and the World Bank are the main ideologists and customers of the "pension reform")

[lesnik.]

If the reform is adopted, after the next election, the EP will be in a dull opposition.

[320423]

it does not matter the reform will be adopted / will not be, ep and this bloc of the government plus vse is the same enemy as the "liberals", I generally disgust at this circus.
by the way, elections in the regions will soon be surrendered, and therefore postponed the "reforms"

[private person]

In vain do you think so, no matter what the outcome of the EP elections would be in the lead. It is in vain that the heads of regions and mayors of cities are members of United Russia.

[Iline]

[quote] [Dmitry Medvedev said that pension reform is necessary for the country, and the government could not do otherwise / quote]
There isn’t enough words in this phrase IT government.

[Ross xnumx]

Medvedev compared the pension reform with bitter medicine, which is necessary to drink to get rid of the disease, even though the person does not want it, but if you do not drink it, then everything can end in tragedy.

To get rid of the disease and sores, Medvedev and his office should be given a drink of medicine. Just write a medicine for the government - "Novice".
You can simply nullify payments on shares of the oil and gas industry and a number of others, which are unclear how they formed the packages and give dividends. There is a reason to limit the size of pensions to the average wage in the region. There are a number of assumptions that all pensioners should receive a pension calculated according to one rule. It is very necessary to transfer the place of work of the State Duma from Moscow to nowhere - simply put, to disperse these parasites along with the Northern Fleet.
In general, we must prepare for those events that already took place at the beginning of the twentieth century.

[Dull]

Quote: ROSS 42

To get rid of the disease and sores, Medvedev and his office should be given a drink of medicine. Just write a medicine for the government - "Novice".

Duck, for what?

Quote: ROSS 42

You can simply nullify payments on shares of the oil and gas industry and a number of others, which are unclear how they formed the packages and give dividends.

A cat with a hare in the "feeding trough" is forbidden to eat from it, and the ban will accept the cat?

Quote: ROSS 42

There is a reason to limit the size of pensions to the average wage in the region.

Maybe salaries and "parachutes"? Does the pension depend on them?

Quote: ROSS 42

There are a number of assumptions that all pensioners should receive a pension calculated according to one rule.

They are, but who reads them from the "Petersburg OPG"?

Quote: ROSS 42

It is very necessary to transfer the place of work of the State Duma from Moscow to nowhere - simply put, to disperse these parasites along with the Northern Fleet.

Nazarbayev did this, but it is not profitable for our "godlike" ones, although with the transfer of the Center we will get the development of the country in the Far Eastern region and, as a result, the development of the economy in this region. Why do NeDimon and the "lads" need this? The temporary workers do not need the development of the country. The "lads" have their "honestly stolen" money, which they are trying to launder ....

[Separ]

It's like saying to a cat before a bonfire: "..cutting eggs is painful, but necessary ..."

[DED_peer_DED]

Kotikov, then for what?
They that interfere with the country?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Government resignation is certainly painful, but vital

[Turist1996]

Andrew!
More precisely, you will not say !!!

[private person]

Today, the ratio is approaching the level of one to one, and this "threatens to completely break the pension system."
And how many people work informally in Russia and don’t pay any taxes or who didn’t consider it, it’s easier to raise the retirement age, and there you look and there will be no one to pay.

[Nord2015]

For some reason, a bitter medicine is only for the common people. It would be necessary to prescribe such a medicine and moneybags. Our media loved to show how Ukrainian politicians were pushed into garbage cans. In general, I begin to understand the Ukrainians.

[olimpiada15]

Comparison with the medicine is incorrect, the medicine is drunk to be cured, and pension innovations will not lead to the healing of the pension system. It would be more accurate to compare not with the medicine, but with the poison, which slowly accumulates in the body and leads to irreversible consequences. I agree with the pension fund problems, more precisely, problems in general with the country's economy, which is consistently leading to destruction.
The truth is that globalization of the world economy is the path to the destruction of statehood, and this leads to the destruction of peoples, because the interests of the people should be protected by the state, and there is no state, there is no people. Globalization is the extermination of peoples; it is a new form of world war. Our government sat down to play with cheaters, and put at stake the personal funds of ordinary citizens and it turns out that there is nothing left to lose, because the people are already on the verge of survival, since the 90s everyone has been taken away from the people: personal savings have disappeared, accumulated from the revenues of the ordinary Impossible to a citizen; inflation eats up everything. From the fact that according to the cunning method of calculating inflation, inflation is 4%, and a decrease in purchasing power by 50%, it is not easier for people. And they took up the elderly who have no disability. What kind of retraining can we talk about in old age, if some of the youth are not able to master the school curriculum !!! Yes, there are always graduates who have a three-step with a stretch, and with age the majority begins to lose what they lived with: everything makes itself felt and overwork, and lack of rest, stress, because the life path is not all roses, and changes appear in the body, there is a process of wear. Of course, there is an insignificant part of people of age capable of learning, but this is an insignificant amount, and those who have limited mental abilities at the age of 20 will not be smarter at 60.
If you need to fill a pension fund, then make a single social tax on the entire payroll. From the Pension Fund not only pensions are paid, but also maternity capital, why you write off everything for retirement, if you support PFR officials with these funds, provide them with free elite housing, i.e. at the expense of retirees, plus the bloated infrastructure PF-save on inappropriate expenses. Pension reform has only one purpose: to leave elderly people without means of subsistence, without the opportunity to pay housing, and where to use the pension money of those who have not survived to retirement is already a freebie and the first one is Chubais.

[kefan]

It would be better if he was silent at all, and his "clever" speeches only add fuel to the fire.

[DED_peer_DED]

He was prepared for the slaughter.

[Sergey ippon]

correctly!
let the cannibals devour the people secretly, otherwise it’s not beautiful on display!

[Darth Sidious]

An interesting opinion from our government ... In 2017, more than 1 trillion 800 billion rubles were stolen! About 2 billion returned !!! What is it like? If you return this money, then the problem of pensions and generally the budget deficit will disappear .... But naturally, no one will do this (.

[DED_peer_DED]

The IMF will not forgive us for this.

[Siberia]

DMA must resign - yes! And without another pension reform, we will somehow live! How many of them have already been confused ...

[Strashila]

Once we switched to medical terminology ... then let government officials put their imaginative enema ... salary ... the average pension in the country. Since Medvedev suggested ... starting with him ... The income of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev last year, according to his declaration, amounted to 8,56 million rubles. About the same was in 2016. The prime minister’s property has not changed over the year. Her wife Svetlana last year, according to the declaration, did not receive a dime, as in previous years. The only son of Medvedev Ilya is an adult.
This is a pure experiment ... if you transfer it to the average pension in the country ... how much will change the income of his wife and son ... ???

[Old Horseradish]

The article for genocide has no statute of limitations.

[DED_peer_DED]

To the campaign this article, only the Lord God will read to them in his judgment.

[Sergey-8848]

Cut yourself, darlings (ministers, deputies and senators), a salary of up to 50 thousand (to hell with you, Moscow, after all), and you will provide all the non-chernozem region with pensions for all cats and dogs forever! The rest of the country will somehow cope with such a bereavement!

[Kolxoz im Lenina]

pension reform is necessary for the country, and the government could not do otherwise, pension reform is necessary for the country, and the government could not do otherwise,

Ah Dimon, who's shaking your ear there ..? The USSR was robbed once, then all savings were canceled (and there the accumulations of ordinary citizens were great for old age, for children and especially who worked in the north! ALL to zero)
Now they’ve decided to rob 60 of them again? After all, they ruined their health at enterprises in the Soviet Union For the sake of a bright future for their children and their pensions .. You are still in the government and Putin is the same .. You would have let this generation live quietly until retirement and die .. The present society throws them into poverty .. (due to which these bastards make a fortune in a day by selling and speculating everything ..) You are wrong, nevertheless, and God will punish you ..

[DEDPIHTO]

Heh heh. I don’t believe my eyes. No way Mikhan came out of a coma and bonfire ,, savior ,, of Russia with all the kagal With recovery, Vitaliy !. Your works are wonderful, Lord ..

[Yak28]

It’s one thing to sit on a priest in an office, another to work physically, not everyone can reach 60. And if 60 isn’t strong and healthy, and until retirement is another 5 years, how can we live on this person? those who have forces work and retire, they are not expelled.

[Setrac]

Quote: Yak28

It’s one thing to sit on the pope in the office, it’s another to work physically, and not everyone can reach 60.

There was a substitution of concepts. Those who physically work are workers, and those who sit in their offices are employees and they do not work at all, they serve (let the military forgive me). And deputies do not work at all, and managers do not work at all. And at the mine, the worker is a miner, and the accountant is an employee.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Setrac

Those who physically work are workers, and those who sit in their offices are employees and they do not work at all

Is the electrician a worker or an employee?
CNC machine operator - worker, or employee?
I can bring about a dozen more, pozakovyster ..

Something is not exactly with you, no?

[Setrac]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Is the electrician a worker or an employee?
CNC machine operator - worker, or employee?
I can bring about a dozen more, pozakovyster ..

Something is not exactly with you, no?

Everything is exactly there, I thought about it myself - where is that line.
The CNC machine operator and electrician are definitely not cabinet workers and they work and not serve.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Setrac

The CNC machine operator and electrician are definitely not desk workers and they work and not serve

Okay, let's move on ...
Air traffic controller? Doctor? Sysadmin any thread, I'm sorry, Goss ...?

Quote: Setrac

Everything is exactly there, I thought about it myself - where is that line?

And where is the line? Just wondering. This

Quote: Setrac

... those who are sitting in their offices are employees and they do not work at all, they serve ... and managers do not work at all ...

generally beyond the bounds, IMHO. Example: my head of the IT department is a pure manager. At the same time, to say that he - does not work, I would not turn my tongue - he just does not live at work, and is wasting energy ... but that miner. And others "start" well, in a good sense of the word.

In vain you wrote it, IMHO.

[Setrac]

Quote: Golovan Jack

At the same time, to say that he doesn’t work, he wouldn’t turn his tongue at me - he just doesn’t live at work and spends energy ... what a miner.

Mental work does not undermine health, and the microclimate in the office of your head of the IT department and the microclimate in the mine are two big differences. Therefore, an IT specialist can sit for 24 hours at work and sleep there because he is not physically tired and does not threaten his health except hemorrhoids from a sedentary lifestyle, and a miner cannot be at work more than he should because he is physically tired, and fatigue is a fatal mistake in his profession.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Air traffic controller? Doctor? Sysadmin any thread, I'm sorry, Goss ...?

All of them are NOT WORKING. The pilot is working, the air inspector is not - he manages the flights.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Setrac

Pilot - working, air traffic control - no - he manages flights

You yourself do not feel that you are already driving? For some reason, only the profession of an air traffic controller is considered harmful, a pension of fifty dollars (for boys, for defachek - at 45)

Quote: Setrac

Mental work does not undermine health

Yes of course...

Quote: Setrac

... an IT specialist can sit at work for 24 hours and sleep there because he is not physically tired and does not threaten his health except hemorrhoids from a sedentary lifestyle ...

... as well as heart attacks, strokes, nervous, ahem, disorders and much, much more

But in general - yes, how did I forget? The same programmer - he only presses the buttons, he does nothing else

Okay. And you and your "edge" ... more than understandable. Over

[Setrac]

Quote: Golovan Jack

But in general - yes, how did I forget? The same programmer - he only presses the buttons, he does nothing else

The jack weighs ten times the system unit and transfers it to the fitter two times more often.

Quote: Golovan Jack

Okay. And you and your "edge" ... more than understandable. Over

You know, when I got a job on the railway, I realized that before that I hadn’t worked at all.

Quote: Golovan Jack

... as well as heart attacks, strokes, nervous, ahem, disorders and much, much more

With which it is easy enough to fight if mental workers were not such idlers. It is physically impossible to do anything with an unsuccessfully bounced crowbar.

Quote: Golovan Jack

and much, much more

Please read more about the "hard work of a programmer" here.
I understand that you are a programmer - since you are so generously sculpting minuses?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Setrac

when I got a job working on the railway, I realized that before that I hadn’t worked at all

It only means that you really haven’t worked before.

My personal account with the railway is limited to a painted bridge (for 2 months, I + a partner on a paint tank) with this:

and several hundred replaced sleepers and other shnyaga in Norilsk on the coven.

Work in physics is not the easiest, but also not the hardest of what I have seen in my life.

Quote: Setrac

... if mental workers were not such idlers ...

You see, sores arise ... not a bit from this. The IT department in the company now is the place through which the sea of ​​information passes (and in which it is stored), without which the company ... but simply does not live.

Accordingly, the responsibility for the timely receipt - issuance, correct processing and safety (in all senses) of this information - lies with the employees of this department. Work really dreams at night, and even, damn it, on the weekend. From here, in fact, sores

Quote: Setrac

Here is more detailed please about the "hard work of the programmer"

Judging by your tone - to teach you - only to spoil. That there is a programmer, you and the air traffic controller are the last lazy one. Let’s keep everyone in their own way, I already, by the way, have already suggested the comment above.

I understand your position, but I do not share it. That, in fact, is all. Good luck

[Yak28]

Quote: ROSS 42

To get rid of the disease and sores, Medvedev and his office should be given a drink of medicine. Just write a medicine for the government - "Novice".

They don’t need medicine, but a meat injection

[DED_peer_DED]

Aspen them.

[lopvlad]

Medvedev compared pension reform to a bitter medicine that must be drunk to get rid of the disease

under the disease, taking into account the average age of life in the country below 65 years, Dmitry Anatolyevich means life. Well, then pension reform is by no means a medicine but poison but an offer to drink nothing more than incitement to suicide. We are believers and it’s a serious sin for us to commit suicide .

[fif21]

Well, if we speak in medical terms, then the pension reform is not a "bitter medicine" but snake venom.

[please]

Well, let him sniff it with this medicine. A clinical examination is required. And the whole cabinet will feed.

[Karabin]

the pension system in its current state is in a "difficult state" due to the ratio of the number of pensioners to the working population.

Oh how! Or maybe because of the greed of the clans, the handshake of the government and the guarantor's personnel policy?

[Old Horseradish]

Why publish the opinion of the so-called "politician" who, to put it mildly, is not liked by the people at all from the word? Is it really difficult to give an article against the pension reform with the opinion, at least, of Zyuganov?

[Razvedka_Boem]

The current pension system has been inherited from the USSR.
Russia and Uzbekistan are the last countries where pension reform has not yet been carried out.

[Berkut24]

If you carefully study the pension history in Russia after the 91st year, you can find that 3 reforms have already passed with a quiet glanders. True, their lack of understanding, unsystematic nature and naivety of the reformers is simply amazing. And now, for all these failures, the government began to take revenge on the pensioners themselves.

[DED_peer_DED]

Recall the USSR ...
There was no Pension Fund in the USSR, no deductions from enterprises to the Pension Fund - there was not, as it is now. And people who reached retirement age retired - they received pension payments.
How so?
Why didn’t anyone in the USSR tell retirees how many young and strong people work to earn a pension for one pensioner?
Why are they trying to explain to us from morning to night, from TV screens, that there are a lot of pensioners and that there aren’t enough workers for all of them, so the number of "loafers" needs to be reduced?
The country does not have enough funds for retirement!

[123456789]

All covered with greenery, absolutely all
There is an island of bad luck in the ocean.
There is an island of bad luck in the ocean,
All covered with greenery, absolutely all.

Unhappy savage people live there,
The face is terrible, kind inside.
The face is terrible, kind inside,
Unhappy savage people live there.

What they don’t do, don’t do business -
Apparently, on Monday, their mother gave birth.
Apparently, on Monday, their mother gave birth -
What they do not do is not going.

Crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow.
Cry, pray to God, not sparing tears
Cry, pray to God, not sparing tears.
Crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow.

It’s not like idlers and could live -
They would take and cancel Mondays.
They would take and cancel Mondays -
It seems not to be idlers and could live.

As luck would have it, there is no calendar on the island -
Children and adults are wasted.
Children and adults are wasted -
There is no calendar on the damned island.

On this occasion from night to dawn
Unlucky savage people cry.
And the poor cry, and curse the trouble
On what day - unknown, in no year.

(from the movie "The Diamond Arm")

→ http://onesong.ru/1/Andrey-Mironov/tekst-pesni-Ostrov-nevezeniya

[Berkut24]

Medvedev compared pension reform to a bitter medicine

Today already compared with poison. No need to cripple people’s life, then no medicine will be needed.

[DED_peer_DED]

Shiklgruber drank poison.
It did not help, however.

[Bakht]

The ratio of workers and retirees is one to one. For this one phrase you can shoot. Dimon does not know how to change this ratio?

[marshes]

Quote: Bakht

The ratio of workers and retirees is one to one. For this one phrase you can shoot. Dimon does not know how to change this ratio?

I have such an intricate question: what did you decide with the UAPF money of Kazakhstan, 270-280 lyam greens invested in your IBA? Do you plan to give something away?

[Bakht]

Seems Yes. But not now, and with a lower percentage .... So, in general, money is not lost.
Everywhere the same ....

[Vadim237]

What do you dislike is 72 million workers, at least 15 million in the shade, 42 million pensioners. So it turns out 1,3 to 1.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

at least 15 millions in the shade,

Why are they in the shade? Maybe something is amiss in the Russian kingdom?

[Sergey ippon]

all these millions of you in the shadows are nothing compared to what babosy take the bourgeoisie offshore - but it doesn’t matter

[Vadim237]

It’s even what — if they paid taxes regularly, there would have been an additional 2,5 trillion rubles in the budget — and there would have been no need to close the hole in the trillion rubles in the PFR due to oil and gas revenues. And what kind of babos, bring the bourgeois to offshore - more specifically?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

if they paid taxes regularly, the budget would have an additional 2,5 trillion rubles

If ... So who prevents to restore order in this area? My opinion is that there is a stupid lack of work for everyone, and therefore they start working for a black salary. Everyone understands that this is not a very suitable solution, but when you press it, you will be glad of such work.

[Vadim237]

The guys will not give their money away - their shirt is closer to the body and there is already otmaza "Why pay taxes to the state - they will be plundered at the top" so they will not pay further. Now they are considering the option of access by the tax authorities to all bank accounts, with verification and analysis, from where people have interesting amounts in their accounts.

[Sergey ippon]

so do not steal billions, the people see this, and understand that it is useless to get out of the skin, everyone will snatch and lose.
how so almost a couple of trill I lost ions in the PFR, and everything is fine with them.
countries like fish rots from the head.

[Vadim237]

The people are divorced from the reality of life - they are waiting for the government to solve all their problems, on a silver platter.

[Setrac]

Quote: Vadim237

What do you dislike is 72 million workers, at least 15 million in the shade, 42 million pensioners. So it turns out 1,3 to 1.

Similar calculations are valid for the Middle Ages, when all the "additional product" was made by hand, now the additional product is produced by machines, people only operate and maintain machines, so the ratio of retired workers does not matter.

[Bakht]

This is an old problem. Since the time of the Luddites. The ratio is of great importance right now, and not during the Middle Ages, when there were no pensions at all.
The initial deception is that with an increase in the retirement age, an increase in the number of jobs is not provided. You can increase the retirement age to 100 years, or reduce it to 50. This only affects the number of pensioners, that is, government spending on maintaining stability in society. Revenues to the budget from workers change only with an increase or decrease in jobs.
So the prime minister should not worry about increasing his retirement age, but at increasing the number of jobs, which he never stutters about.
Stalin solved the problem differently. He shortened the working day. And in 1952 he planned to reduce it to 6 hours. Therefore, under Stalin, the entire composition of the cabinet of ministers, headed by the prime minister, would go to Magadan on foot, in a harmonious column. Or would receive a course of treatment with a lead seal in the back of the head.
PS For some reason, many believe that the enemy is sitting across the ocean. This is not entirely true. The enemy sits in his "elite" (it would be more correct to write the comprador bourgeoisie). This is true for all post-Soviet states.

[Setrac]

Quote: Bakht

The initial deception is that with an increase in the retirement age, an increase in the number of jobs is not provided.

This is so - if you do not know the ultimate goal. After all, increasing the retirement age is not a goal, but a means, and the goal here is to reduce wages.

[Vadim237]

These people do not pay taxes to the pension fund as well. And how your ratio of workers is to workers, does it have anything to do with the pension fund - the pension fund is filled with people, each individually.

[Turist1996]

He is simply not aware that the ratio "working: dependent" in the ratio "1: 5" back in the 60s of the 20th century ensured a decent standard of living in industrialized countries for the majority of the population, including pensioners.
But Luntik graduated from the Luntik school, not for people ..
Therefore, for him, the ratio 1: 1 is a disaster !!

[Vadim237]

Money from the air in the pension fund will not be drawn, but at least 10 trillion rubles, walks in the shade, in the hands of 15 million defaulters. And what kind of industrialized countries are these where one works, and five are messing around?

[DED_peer_DED]

The ratio of dollar billionaires to the poor in Russia is the highest in the world.
So, what's the problem?

[Vadim237]

In China, 317 billion dollar billionaires and 400 million poor and poor. In Russia, only a seventh of the population is poor and impoverished.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vadim237

In China, 317 billion dollar billionaires and 400 million poor and poor. In Russia, only a seventh of the population is poor and impoverished.

There are 97 billionaires in Russia. Now compare in percentage to the population, even though you are a complete burdock in mathematics, but try all the same.

[Vadim237]

This is not me a mug in mathematics - but you, in China, a third of the population are poor and destitute - in Russia, a seventh - and it doesn't matter how many billionaires there are in the country. These poor people will never have so much money, because the poor people are mainly due to the fact that they are lazy, without initiative, drinking and insecure, these are the main factors of poverty, to which you can add "chronic poverty syndrome" and you can do anything - pouring a lot of money into production, opening jobs with high wages, etc. - this will not help much to cope with poverty, since the lion's share of the poor corresponds to the one described above.

[Vadim237]

In the slave system, there is no freedom of choice - in Russia there is freedom of choice.

[DED_peer_DED]

Yes.
Die before retirement (in advance).
Or three months after - her.

[Vadim237]

You can not die who makes you - drink less and lead a healthy lifestyle.

[Turist1996]

He would need to prescribe a bitter medicine called "castor oil".
And as for the ratio "pensioner-working", let Wasserman ask: he understands "dimona" better in any economy.
This "Luntik" really got it with his moronism !!

[Dull]

Under the current Pension System, it is impossible for an ordinary person to save up for old age, even working according to the white scheme. Palaces for officials, payment for "golden parachutes", a myriad of officials, ineffective investments, etc., are simply destroying the Pension System of the Russian Federation. Yes, Reform is needed. But which one? Miserable "little minds" like NeDimon decided to do it at the expense of the poorest and most vulnerable, with super-incomes of the "lads" close to the throne. Even under the "sanctions" they have us, with the support of the "Bros in the Government". We are waiting, sir ... Maybe the first uprisings will help? And, further, the collapse of the Russian Federation? Experimenting with the country? Will there be no blood?

[DED_peer_DED]

Accumulate?
Either another default, or a dollar at 120 rubles, or a denomination with a limited exchange of old money for new ones.
"We swam, we know" (c)

[DED_peer_DED]

Accumulate?
So, they’ll make a default, a dollar at 250 rubles, a ruble denomination with a limited exchange of old money for new ....
Sound familiar?
So this is the "pension savings system".

[DED_peer_DED]

Accumulate?
So, they’ll make a default, a dollar at 250 rubles, a ruble denomination with a limited exchange of old money for new ....
Sound familiar?
So this is the "pension savings system".

[valerijmaltzev]

When they proceed only from profit, they multiply anger. (Confucius) VI century BC

[Beholder]

Quote: 123456789

Quote: Friday

So why should I hire a young man for twenty thousand if I can find a competent person in years who agrees to work for ten thousand?

And you take an Indian ... He will work for $ 30.

Here is the answer to all the questions. Where are the jobs and related pay?

[kasatky]

Do you hear, Vladimir Vladimirovich, what are people saying?
They will not forgive you. It’s for you, not DAM. Even the good that you have done for Russia, cross out in the memory of the people in an instant. People suffered when, for example, the ruble depreciated again and again (along with our salaries) ... But this could be attributed to external forces. And here absolutely cynical robbery.
Hey, Vladimir, don’t need to rob, you need to restore order.

[Technician72]

Quote: Vladimir 5

Котёл закипает, а предохранителя нет,- президент не сменил кабинет министров и премъера...

До сих пор удивляюсь тем дуракам которые в это верили.

[Sergei75]

Это не котлета, что-бы отделять от неё мух, это намного хуже....

[Echo]

Осталось выяснить, кто тут больной страна или правительство Медведа.

[g_ae]

Это все Сталин проклятый и коммуняки противные заложили мину под светлое будущее России. А правительство Медведева - это герои. Практически смертники. Они берут на себя ответственность за непопулярные реформы. Вот только в чем эта ответственность заключается - непонятно. Все предыдущие ответственные реформаторы очень неплохо устроились . Рожи от денег трескаются. На рельсы никто не лег. Все при деньгах, при постах.

[Snail N9]

Я все не могу забыть хвастливую фразу сказанную пьяным Рыжим, на корпоративе в Сколково, о том, что у них неприлично много денег. А сколько таких «сколково» под названием «государственное финансирование» было и есть, где «неэффективно расходуется» (словосочетание какое лукавое) триллионы государственных денег.

[DED_peer_DED]

Accumulate?
So, they’ll make a default, a dollar at 250 rubles, a ruble denomination with a limited exchange of old money for new ....
Sound familiar?
So this is the "pension savings system".

[DED_peer_DED]

15-тый раз пишу сообщение и 15-раз оно пропадает.
Слова, заканчиваются...

[Sotskiy]

Understand and forgive!

[Sotskiy]

Нынешний либерализм и фашизм: сущностное единство. От туда и все прелести нынешней "цивилизации", подробнее тут:https://zen.yandex.ru/media/narzur/liberalizm-i-fashizm-suscnostnoe-edinstvo-5b6c94b7f1a01f00a9b71c96?from=feed

[Conductor]

Болезнены дикие траты на ЧМ, Олимпиаду , универсиаду, восточный, сколково, дурацкая идея о том, что продвигать молодежь и так далее .

[Vadim237]

Вы на них не тратились, так что о их болезненности говорить не стоит - это всё инфраструктура, рабочие места, опять же инвестиции, материалы, техника, увеличение туристического потока и тд.

[kosmozoo]

Смена правительства болезненна, но необходима.

[please]

Минуточка фактов...
Из России с 1990 года вывезли более 1 триллиона $ в оффшоры разных стран.
1 триллион $ = 3 золото-валютных запасов России.
1 триллион $ = 50 Московских реноваций (или 250 000 новых жилых домов вместо снесенных старых).
1 триллион $ = 240 Крымских мостов.
1 триллион $ = строительство 760 Лахта Центров в СПБ.
1 триллион $ = 1500 Зенит Арен.
1 триллион $ = строительство 35 000 школ в центре Москвы.
1 триллион $ = 460 000 рублей для каждого гражданина России, включая всех младенцев и бабушек.
Для тех, кто не понимает, объясню максимально простым языком.
Оффшоры для людей "высшего" звена - это тоже самое, что дебетовые банковские карточки для нас, наземных. Просто деньги (1 триллион $) на этой карточке хранятся за границей.

Но, как говориться, денег нет, но вы держитесь, наблюдая за тем, как Россию "профи" грабят

[Vadim237]

Вы лучше за год тогда считайте 28 лет - 35 миллиардов в год.

[Kolxoz im Lenina]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Watching
on us
обелиски
Братских могил и кресты.
Танец Антихриста начат,
Взвихрен над Волгою чад.
Дети испуганно плачут,
Женщины скорбно молчат.

Хорошие стихи Алекс ...Самое интересное ,что в России такое происходит периодически и после всех этих смут ,крови и ограблений Россия еще сильнее становится ! И в этот раз тоже самое происходит в начальном периоде..Прорвемся и в этот раз , генами чую !

[DEDPIHTO]

Ерунда какая то-коммент не вставляется

[Sergei75]

гаденыши, самих-то с таких должностей и ой палкой на пенсию не выгонишь сих-то зарплатами и пенсиями с пожизненным содержанием.

[Mihail55]

Если голова больна очень сильно, как можно какие то органы вылечить. Плохая рецептура.
Человек поставлен на ЭКОНОМИКУ...успешно принял участие в ее добивании. До чего ж наш народ терпелив...слов нет

[stopkran]

Ну, чё, медвед продолжает «отливать в граните». Может ему тоже дать какого-нить горького лекарства «от головы»? ))

[Kolxoz im Lenina]

Quote: stopkran

Ну, чё, медвед продолжает «отливать в граните». Может ему тоже дать какого-нить горького лекарства «от головы»? ))

Димон "мальчик "для битья ..И за Путиным тоже кто то стоит ,надеюсь русский! Сейчас нам есть чем гордится, в отличии от лихих 90-х..
Идея нам нужна ,типо " Мы рождены ,чтоб сказку сделать былью !" Без этого русская душа начинает метаться и делать глупости кровавые и т.д.

Вот такие дела в танковых войсках на границе..

[vladimirvn]

Мы же в одной лодке. Начни с себя.

[Stoler]

Все перенес наш многострадальный Народ. Но перенесет ли Он ту МЕРЗОСТЬ которую ему готовит это правительство и поднимется ли Он после приема этого " лекарства " , я лично сильно сомневаюсь (

[Vadim237]

Если народ перенёс эпоху с 1905 по 1953гг - ему уже всё не почём. Закалка на генетическом уровне произошла.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Vadim237

Если народ перенёс эпоху с 1905 по 1953гг - ему уже всё не почём. Закалка на генетическом уровне произошла.

Э неее, берите не эту эпоху, а 1990-2000-е. Вот ЭТО - прививка! И кстати, а чего эта эпоха до 1953-го, а не 1990? Непорядок! Для Вас конкретно.

[Vadim237]

Потому как в эту эпоху были: война с Японией, Октябрьская, Февральские революции, гражданская война, первая мировая война, коллективизация раскулачивание, репрессии, переселение народов, война с Финами, Великая отечественная война, война с "Лесными братьями" с 40ого по 53гг, лагерный эпос с 45ого по 53гг - для тех кто вернулся из плена и тех, кто остался на захваченных территориях - немцами во время войны, ну конечно же - разборки с послевоенным бандитизмом. С 53 жизнь в СССР начала выравниваться и только после 83 началось. Сейчас самое спокойное время для России.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Vadim237

Потому как в эту эпоху были: война с Японией, Октябрьская, Февральские революции, гражданская война, первая мировая война, коллективизация раскулачивание, репрессии, переселение народов, война с Финами, Великая отечественная война, война с "Лесными братьями" с 40ого по 53гг, лагерный эпос с 45ого по 53гг - для тех кто вернулся из плена и тех, кто остался на захваченных территориях - немцами во время войны, ну конечно же - разборки с послевоенным бандитизмом.

Нууу... Да, всё так. Однако по части спокойствия сейчас... Хм, относительно это. На Кавказе регулярные КТО (но на то он и Кавказ, чтоб постоянно бурлил). Да и наше родное правительство, такое есть ощущение, делает всё, чтобы люди на протесты подались. Как точно подметил кто-то из пользователей ВО (каюсь - не помню, кто...) - уж слишком кучно всё пошло.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Vadim237

были: война с Японией, Октябрьская, Февральские революции

Вадим, а (только, чур, без Вики!) какая сначала была - Октябрьская, или Февральская?

[Vadim237]

Я перечислял не в порядке событий - да и то, не всё перечислил.

[nickgv]

Проблема в нас самих, чего-то опасаемся, кабы чего не вышло. Порядок надо у себя наводить: давно пора национализировать внешне-финансовую деятельность - у себя рубль и рублевые цены. Смотришь - и бензин устаканится, и прибыльные отрасли появятся, рабочие места - пенсионной реформы не понадобится и т.д и т.п. Китай выжил и без долларовой зависимости - почему у нас не получится?

[Sergey ippon]

в китае воров и предателей стреляют ,а не повышают в должностях.
paradox?

[Citizen 90]

Отобрать деньги у нефтепиявок. Человек продает народные богатства и получает (а не зарабатывает, как они это называют) дохренион. Вот им бы пилюлю эту прописать. Выход будет больше чем если совсем пенсии отменить.Но им такое "лечение" доктор не пропишет. Ибо в одной лодке. Антиправительство какое-то. Создано чтоб разрушать.

Ура патриоты, которых все устраивает, а сходите вы (вместе с правительством кстати) поработайте годик на заводах, ибо ваша сфера услуг и перепродажа ("бизнесмены" чертовы) это пшик, без которого проживут все, а вот без своего ВПК у нас вообще самостоятельности не останется. Поживете, посмотрите как у нас деньги с продажи сырья "идут на ВПК" (Про "идут на соц.обеспечение" вообще молчу, ибо по тратам похоже у нас самые инвалиды - властьимущие)

[ludrosia]

медведев-паразит-рабовладелец-желающий жить за счёт народа,поэтому пенсионная реформа должны быть такой:
диму медведева и всех тех-кто предлагал,предлагает и поддерживает повышение пенсионного возраста-уволить и убрать из думы России Русской православной христианской,с руководящих постов,с управления Россией Русской православной христианской.
И перевести их на тяжёлые работы,на которых работает народ России Русской православной христианской.Например-дать им и ему-диме медведеву-лопату в руки-и отправить разгружать вагоны с глиной,щебнем,сыпучими.Или на лесоповал.Или говно в колхозе убирать.Ровно на столько лет-на сколько они хотят повысить пенсионный возраст.С такими условиями и зарплатами-как у народа.Никаких поблажек.Чтоб они посмотрели,почувствовали,на своей шкуре невыработанной прочувствовали как народ живёт и какая у него работа.Чтоб до этих бестолочей-дошло,что возраст пенсионный повышать не надо.Что народ-и так не доживает до теперешнего пенсионного возраста (мужчины-до 60 лет,женщины-до 55 лет,военные и силовые структуры-до 45 лет,по вредности пенсии) корячась на тяжёлых и непосильных работах.Посмотрим-как они сразу заноют,завоют и вспомнят про пенсию,корячась на тех работах-где работает народ.Конфисковав у них имущество в пользу семей с детьми.Детям с семьями на эти конфискованные деньги и имущество у этих закнотворцев антинародных-построить жильё детям с семьями и раздать этим семьям-БЕСПЛАТНО.

[ludrosia]

И чтоб им нельзя,запрещено было пользоваться имуществом родных и близких и других людей.Чтобы они жили-чисто как народ-точно с такими же условиями и зарплатами и корячились так за копейки-как народ.Конфисковать у них всё-и чтоб они с нуля начали зарабатывать.Отправив их на тяжёлые работы ровно на столько-на сколько они хотят повысить пенсионный возраст.А те-кому нет ещё 60 лет,кому нет ещё теперешнего пенсионного возраста-чтобы они докорячились до теперешнего пенсионного возраста на тех тяжёлых работах-что народ работает,если докорячатся на работах народа-и чтоб опять они продолжали корячиться-ровно на столько-на сколько предлагали повысить пенсионный возраст,после достижения ими теперешнего пенсионного возраста.
А народ чтобы всё это видел,хлопал их по плечу и приговаривал:"Ну как,депутатик,законтворец ты наш антинародный,покушал нашего хлеба? Чувствуешь своей шкурой нашу жизнь? Ну корячься,корячься,до того возраста-который ты нам предлагал повысить,шкура,контра! За такие зарплаты и в таких условиях-как мы.Как тебе-нравится корячиться и ишачить после 60 лет? Косточки не ломит? Позволяет здоровьице?"

[Vadim237]

Проще сократить 60% чиновничьего аппарата и заменит их функции одним окном - бумажной возни станет в разы меньше, деньги появятся и работа во всех направлениях пойдёт быстрее - за шесть лет это вполне реально осуществить. Но увы, это не решит проблему пенсионных накоплений - а вернее с дефицитом ПФР в триллион рублей.

[ludrosia]

Quote: major147

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

No, I understand that if there is health and a desire to work ... And if there is no health? Do you want to live like that, do you have it? At our place of work, not everyone was able to retire, but now what?

If there is no health - disability.

Какая чушь.Кто тебе даст эту инвалидность? Будешь ишачить-пока не сдохнешь и не скорячишься на самой этой работе.

[ludrosia]

Quote: ARES623

Quote: Jolly oldster sailor

And if you don’t have health? Do you want to live like that, it turns out? At our place of work, not everyone reached their retirement, but now what?

Where do you work, if not a secret? Judging by the fact that not everyone at your production reaches the pension, then your production is classified as harmful. And if so, then for the proposed activities your deadlines will remain the same as now. And health must be protected while it is ... And without reforms it is better to go on "well-deserved rest" than to queue at the hospital registry and the pharmacy. “As you want, so live” is not a difficult matter, it is more difficult to “want” correctly and in a timely manner.

Слышишь,"умник". Возьми лопату например в руки после 60 лет-и лезь в вагоны разгружать глину,щебень,сыпучие.Или на лесоповале поработай после 60 лет.Или иди хотя бы говно поубирай в колхозе за животными после 60 лет.У станка постой смены или дни после 60 лет.Я тебе привёл-лишь малую часть работ,на которых трудно,но они-не относятся к категории вредных.К 60 лет мужчины и к 55 лет женщины-становятся старыми,дряблыми,немощными,слабыми,больными,дряхлыми.Иди ка "умник"-сам ишачь и корячься после 60,55 и 45 лет.

[udincev]

Golovan Jack,

[LeonidL]

Не уважаю Диму Айфончика, но в этом случае он прав.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Лишний раз к вопросу о том что президента "хотят подставить". Там полное единодушие и никаких альтернатив, кроме как сделать незащищенным гражданам больно.

[Dull]

, здесь нет отрицания необходимости Реформы. Твои "братаны" достали всех не желая "делиться"! Пошел-бы ты на.... после этого

[andron-30]

скажу честно, такое решение я ждал мне в конце а точнее 30 декабря исполнится 55 вроде савсем не много но мне хватила

[pafegosoff]

Агент влияния США?

[Hiw]

В край обнаглел - критическая ситуация, денег нет........ От газа и нефти прибыли в бюджет идёт около 35% , а в саудовской аравии аж 90 и только 10% идёт добывающим компаниям, чем не вариант - заберите деньги у миллера и сечина ... Прогресивный налог - ещё одна статья огромная доходов. Банковские кредиты минимум в 15 % - сделайте как в нормальных странах 2-5% и сразу производство и средний бизнес попрут и соответственно налоги увеличатся.А ещё снизьте налог на прибыль со среднего и малого бизнеса, хотя бы до 5% как в Грузии (они обсуждают понижение налога до 1%) и сразу все выйдут из тени и будут официально работать. А закон о ТОРах чего нам стоит, а прощённые кредиты другим странам.И в конце концов - зарплаты чиновникам пенсионого фонда , раздутый штат, ихние дворцы-конторы за милиарды И ещё мог бы писать и писать где деньги взять - всё ведь на поверхности и всем всё ясно. Вывод один - правительство антинародное

[Vadim237]

Роснефть как и Газпром принадлежит государству, соответственно и львиная доля прибыли идёт государству, а чистая прибыль у этих двух компаний, в этом году, будет в пределах 1200 миллиардов рублей, даже если все эти деньги забрать в бюджет, их хватит только на покрытие дефицита ПФР. Прогрессивный налог - 100% уверенностью скажу, что после его внедрения, цены на все товары резко взлетят, часть компаний уйдёт в тень, часть уменьшат зарплаты - потому как народ жадный. "Снизьте налоги на средний и малый бизнес" - Что то это не вяжется, с предыдущим решением о внедрении прогрессивного налога - под него, в первую очередь, попадут все предприниматели. И сколько же Вы рассчитываете снять с зарплаты работников ПФР которых 130000 человек? Самое действенные средства для экономики и пополнения бюджета, сокращение всех чиновников на 60 % и создание налоговой полиции с возможностью проверки банковских счетов, всех граждан - из которых 15 миллионов не платят налоги, это примерно 10 триллионов рублей - "гуляющих" денег.

[Adimius38]

Самое болезненное это оставить этого человека у власти

[black inspector]

Надменное карликовое убожество...