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Who is the main infinite in the Russian army?

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Who is the main infinite in the Russian army?



An interesting question, right? And really, if we talk about a certain theoretical (although it is very practical) lawlessness, which has a place to be in our army, then a very interesting situation emerges.

Yes, in the good old days, the army suffered from hazing, then fraternization was replaced by fraternities, then the service life was reduced to such an extent that there is simply no time left for dedovshchina, and fraternity does not bring bonuses.

By lawlessness, I mean somewhat not what everyone thought. And it’s not about taking money from the soldiers or causing bodily harm.

It will be completely about other things.

To begin with, I will immediately answer the question asked: who is the main line-up in the army? In my opinion, the main bespredelschiki can safely be called a conscript soldier and those who introduced the current form of control in the army.

Let's start from the bottom. With conscripts. Someone will immediately object to me that you, the author, forgot how the burning footcloths smell. Did not forget. But that was a long time ago and in fact was not true. Today, the alignment is completely different.

Having re-read the disciplinary charter, having thought well, I came to this conclusion. A conscript is such an organism to which all these statutes are not terrible at all. Especially in light of how the matter is set in the army now.

And it is not delivered. It is laid, lies, and in fact does not move. And there is no one to stir it, comrades officers are busy with more serious things. But about them a little later, but for now let's start with the charter.

Whoever does not remember, will refresh my memory. And at the same time I will comment on how serious each point is from my point of view (it is discussed, for it is not a dogma).

a) reprimand;
b) severe reprimand.


You understand that these reprimands are effective only in respect of those soldiers who have plans for the future to serve in various government agencies such as the Ministry of the Interior, the Federal Security Service, the FPS and others. Where the impeccable reputation and the corresponding characteristic will be necessary. Well 1% of the total. Even those who will sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense will not be saddened by these reprimands, since everything can be removed.

The rest is the case along the spine. A year to serve - and goodbye, or rather, goodbye.

c) the deprivation of another dismissal from the location of a military unit or from ship to shore.

Conditional punishment, frankly. We have so many places of permanent deployment, where there is no place to go stupidly, and in a heap of parts you should not (I launched a pebble towards the Caucasus) even to go outside the fence.

d) deprivation of the badge of the honors pupil.

Of course, there are amateur glitter collectors, but most of them lose their “reward” and simply suffer from such a loss.

e) warning about incomplete service compliance.

This is for contractors, conscripts, again, do not care.

e) reduction in the military post of the corporal (senior sailor) and sergeant (foremen);
g) a reduction in the military rank of the corporal (senior sailor) and sergeant (foreman);
h) a reduction in military rank with a decrease in the military post of corporal (senior sailor) and sergeant (sergeant).


Sounds, but in fact again fiction. First, for the year in the military service, you can grow a maximum to the junior sergeant. Well, just will not come higher jump in time.

In addition, an order signed by the unit commander is required for such a reduction. This is not very simple, let's talk about the problems with the higher authorities just below.

And again, mainly in the units, the sergeant staff is formed from conscripts. So again, by the box office.

and) early dismissal from military service due to non-compliance with the terms of the contract.

Again, it concerns only contractors.

j) disciplinary arrest.

Well, yes, seriously. Here it is clear what the guardhouse means. Let's say it wasn't the most lovely place on earth (I remember the only visit and I will remember for a long time), but ... also fiction!

"Lips" can grab as much as a whole month. But, proceeding from the letter of the statute prescribed in paragraph 94, “Disciplinary arrest is a last resort to disciplinary action and consists of keeping a soldier in isolation in the guardhouse.
Disciplinary arrest is applied to a soldier only in exceptional cases and only for a gross disciplinary offense committed by him. ”


We translate: to get under the action of this item, you have to try very hard. Very much.

But for those who are not too lazy to open the charter, in the paragraphs above, from 81 down, all actions that comrades commanders must perform in order to prevent the wounded soldier from being clearly described are clearly described.

Annex No. XXUMX to the statute contains a very detailed description of what is considered a gross disciplinary offense. However, the list of documents that must be completed and submitted to the military court in 7-day is also attached there.

Yes, yes, I'm not kidding. The times when the battalion commander (for three days with his power) and above could send to the “lip” had passed. Now only a court can impose a disciplinary arrest.

And now let's plunge into the skin of a modern officer, in whom the fighter has lost the banks and has done something. For example, I ran over the women or caught a patrol with the “invigorating” party. It is necessary to punish unequivocally. But ... The devil is in the details.

The commander of a serviceman must immediately report on this to the commander of a military unit in the prescribed manner. The commander of the unit must decide on the conduct of the proceedings and appoint a responsible person. Usually it is deputy. on radar (work with personnel).

And two unfortunate commander nakosyvshego, and deputy. on radar, they will all have to complete a full proceeding in order to submit to the court in writing. And, having considered the materials of the case, the commander may refer the case to court. All in accordance with the articles of the Federal Law "On the status of military personnel."

10 days are given for everything, including the commander of the 2 part of days for familiarization and reflection.

And then the court. And if the judge considers the offense proven, he decides on the appointment of the arrest. No, sorry…

True, it became completely incomprehensible to me that the candidate for prisoners would be doing these 10 days. If, according to my Soviet notions, then there will be 10 days of utter relaxation and buzz. The guard is impossible, in outfit, too, is doubtful. You can probably carry an ordinary service, but if not a self-propelled move, but damage to military equipment, for example?

And, the most interesting thing, you can rot anyone at home, and if the court does not consider it necessary to plant it? What then?



Or if during these days of 10, what is going on the investigation, will the fighter decide to rid himself of such a prospect and accomplish something useful, rehabilitating him?

Agree that the punishment is effective when it is timely and inevitable. But not in a state of vague prospects, they will either be punished (and in a military court, by the way, a lawyer is supposed to be, this is not a tribunal), or not. The way a lawyer turns things over is also a matter.

As a consultant drew a friend of Colonel Staver. So, the first (and last) that Comrade Colonel gave me, having familiarized myself with the situation, that the cleverest will rot not the mover of a gunman or a hand-wielded fighter spoiling the technique, but a company officer who cannot cope with the personnel.

Since there is no opportunity to curb the conscript lost the shores, there must be other methods to influence the situation. That is, on the immediate commander of a fighter.

But with this we are all right.

The company officer, whose fighters run into self-propelled guns, drag in alcohol, spoil equipment and behave inadequately in general, is a source of universal evil. Because he does not want to work normally. And then welcome to the same disciplinary charter, where everything is simply luxuriously painted.

There is just an incomplete service conformity (consider - down annual premium or 1010) and stuff like that. Officer punish just easier.

Therefore, I agree with Staver that in the process of wanting to indicatively punishing a fighter according to the disciplinary regulations, the company commander is unlikely to advance further than the battalion commander.

And why not?

And because the battalion commander is more experienced than the company commander. And he will try himself in the embryo to repay this completely unnecessary epic. The battalion commander cannot cope - the regiment can definitely. Just ryavknet on the company, in fact the case will end. Well, the promise to deprive the prize, since the company of the company could not cope with the soldier.

Again the question "why" arises.

Yes, because everyone, from the regiment to the commander, was not absorbed in the prospect of imitated accountability.

Indeed, it is one thing if private Ivanov incorrectly connected the wiring and burned the tank to hell. This is a violation, it is damage to equipment, it is a loss to the army and the country. It is necessary to fuck everyone, from Ivanov to the commander of the unit.

And it is quite another thing if the rodents penetrated inside the combat vehicle and gnawed the wiring, and she shorted out. And the tank burned down from short circuit.

No, it is also necessary to punish someone, for example, the head of the park, who does not catch mice. But agree, the difference in the two states of emergency is palpable.

Therefore, a similar reaction of the commanders is quite normal. The case that went to court will definitely spoil the reporting. For violations of discipline, for working with personnel. And, depending on how hard it is, they can be glued to the fullest. Kombrigu / divisional commander in the army headquarters, commander in the district headquarters.

The company company is unlikely to want to look like a couple of years like this post. A brigade commander, in turn, dreams of a higher position. And that's fine, that's all it is worth.

And here is the result. The system of disciplinary action is the opposite. Yes, arrest with content in the guardhouse is rarely used. Nobody wants to lose a prize or overstay.

As a result, the command of the units, it turns out, effectively prohibits lower-level commanders from carrying out official disciplinary punishments in order to please His Majesty the Report.

After all, the main thing is to report beautifully on the work done. And to make it look believable.

But how, then (still returning to the main topic) to influence the violators of discipline, if there is absolutely no leverage?



Phones do not issue? In the dismissal is not to let go? So the committees of mummies are just waiting for this. Although a normal company officer himself is well aware that a soldier who has gotten up with his relatives is less dangerous psychologically than is punished in this way.

Muzzle beat? Not serious, and is fraught with criminal proceedings against the officer. Punish (as often practiced before) all for one? This contradicts the article of the same disciplinary charter.

The result is not very pretty. The system of penalties for disciplinary offenses, except for extraordinary orders, is completely incompetent.

But this is not the saddest thing.

Today a system has developed in the Russian army, in which the picture in the reports is more important than the real state of affairs. And this is not the first year, as it were. Reports are written, kilograms of paper are spent on filling out useless forms, and to the detriment of what? That's right, to the detriment of the officers' daily work. After all, in the day of the entire 24 hour, and, if you do not grieve, no longer add.

So we write in the minus?

Full The main thing - the report. It is with a capital letter, because it is on the basis of reports that everything is decided in our army. And what is not included in the scope of a beautiful report should be ruthlessly removed.

How can you not remember the negative example of Captain Zolotarev, who wrote a bag of letters to Putin? And the positive example of Major Pugachev from the same division, who hunted down soldiers for the purpose of obtaining ransom from their relatives.

But Captain Zolotarev wrote letters poorly to the president, so they are trying with all his might to deprive him of everything and expel him from the army. And Major Pugachev, who beautifully wrote reports about how he worked great with the staff, even managed to go on the run. More precisely, he was given such an opportunity. For merits.

In general, the situation is not very. And unequivocally, she will not bring anything beautiful or pleasant. Neither conscripts on whom it is difficult to find justice, nor officers held in a framework in which many of us would hardly have wished to be on our own.
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  1. saigon
    saigon 12 August 2018 06: 16
    +19
    No one will cancel the impact by the forces of personnel. Well, but to create a fierce desire of the soldiers to explain to a comrade that he is no longer right a matter of technology even within the framework of the charter.
    A creative approach in this matter is very important, as is diversity in creating incentives for soldiers to educate a comrade.
    The reinforced sports exercises, combat training and sudden training alarms at night help in the enlightenment of the military team.
    Moreover, all the recipes worked perfectly in the SA and everything in the framework of the charter, gentlemen, officers, you don’t even have to invent anything, just remember the experience of the authorized parts in the SA.
    1. Cat
      Cat 12 August 2018 07: 42
      +19
      No offense, but looking at the "clowns" from the neighboring military unit, I don't even know laughing or crying. And the cool part has to do with the FSB. Contractors okay, God bless them, but conscripts .......
      On the other hand, the soldier who did not come across self-propelled guns is bad.
      Recently, the neighbors have changed their "polkan", so far even "half of the polkan". The day before yesterday, I see, in close formation, on foot with a chance tool, they are moving towards the training ground at a run led by the commander. And in front of the commander, the culprit of identity with a blue velvet pillow in his hands. And on the pillow, many have already guessed "bulls"! Back in four hours. And so every day, including today. They already ran away, but did not return back. But it's Sunday!
      The indignation of the "wives" of the middle command staff is growing, the revenue in Picemia is falling, and my soul is happy - the unit is lucky to be a commander - a colonel.
      Contrary to the authors, I believe that the commander is responsible for any emergency. In a priori, all young armless and headless, ensigns of thieves, the average staff of the idler. If you want it to be the other way around, plow it yourself and force others. And you have to plow creatively and within the framework of the charter. In addition, you should love them all, because their cant is your cant. The principle of unity of command has not been canceled.
      Once they "buried the bulls", two, three, four - I have not heard nirazu that somewhere there was a need for a fifth "burial"! The main thing is the inevitability of punishment.
      I went into a self-propelled gun - got caught - get it !!! To roar about the infringement of rights, I see no reason. You have to work creatively - creatively!
      For the year to be done, the miracle that crossed the threshold of your unit:
      by man - time;
      competent soldier - two;
      teach to love the homeland - three.
      And most importantly, return it to his parents alive and healthy!
      How to go into a self-propelled gun and most importantly not to fall for it, he will learn!
      R.s. from my own experience - the first commander happens only once! It is you who will remember with kindness in your heart your outfits of extraordinary turn, anxiety, and combat training. The Soviet army had invaluable experience working with personnel, so it lies on its feet - go for it!
      We killed R.ss Dedovshchina on the first day of "potatoes", when the commander of the group, junior sergeant, refused to dig her beloved with us! They brought me behind the hill so that the officers did not see, carried out explanatory work. There were no more problems with the team composition in the group. Plow everything, run everything!
      Sincerely, Kitty!
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 52
        -7
        Vladislav, what kind of bull? Is that something from Bulgarian?
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 12 August 2018 11: 57
          +3
          Cigarette butt)))))
        2. ver_
          ver_ 13 August 2018 11: 08
          +5
          ..this is from our childhood ..- cigarettes and cigarettes were not sold to boys, but they were available on the sidewalks, or public transport stops ...
      2. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 54
        -2
        Already fled, but did not return.
        I’m embarrassed to ask, have you been zamozakopakis?
        1. Cat
          Cat 12 August 2018 15: 03
          +9
          I’m shy to ask

          Do not worry already returned.
          Apparently they didn’t run three rubles, but five!
          I read the posts, I will speak out if the middle and senior command personnel allow education through a team - this is how to say a manifestation of "impotence ...", TFA lack of competence.
          The task of sporting events should form other skills (cohesion, feeling of the shoulder) in subordinates, and not the desire to reason with a raider!
          Working with l / s always implies that there will be a "flyer", but a "flyer", going to mow, should not count the sergeant's "punches", but think how not to let the commander down. And to abandon the "mess" on their own out of respect for the latter.
          Who says that it’s not enough to instill discipline in a year, I’ll just say that you’re out of luck with the commanders. One month is enough to make a soldered team from the miraculous-young-young. Let them have only three dreams: to fall asleep, to devour and kill the commander. But they will no longer throw theirs on a march throw and the watermelon from the parcel will be divided into everyone, and not themselves beloved.
          It is then they, continuing to be afraid of you, will first respect and then love.
          When I was already a captain, my first deputy chief of the combat unit used to say, "Why do I rarely see you? Do you go to work?" and then he drew the conclusion "Cadet syndrome" !!!
          And what to do, I myself, being already a lieutenant colonel, having heard his joking voice in the metro "two outfits in no queue", did not give out "there are two outfits"! Reflexes! Or maybe I was lucky with the commanders!
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 56
        -1
        warrant thieves
        But for this you can get on the scoreboard! You don’t know how prapors puzzled to feed / drink the inspector and not to cut back on the soldiers rations! am
      4. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 12: 02
        -3
        We killed hazing on the first day of "potatoes", when the commander of the group, junior sergeant, refused to dig her beloved with us! They brought me behind the hill so that the officers did not see, carried out explanatory work.
        Yeah, try right now to get behind the knoll, at once accused of sexual harassment! In general, he said it correctly.
      5. ser65
        ser65 12 August 2018 14: 59
        +3
        I watched a similar picture ... the culprits carried a stretcher on their shoulders, and behind them the entire battalion with control at the head. funeral stub.
    2. Nehist
      Nehist 12 August 2018 08: 38
      +9
      Alas, all this is in the past! Now even the enhanced enlightenment of fighters with sports exercises will not help! There will always be someone who will call or write to the prosecutor’s office and say hello ... They startling you from the inspector to the divisional commander, alas, this is no longer a CA or even the RF Armed Forces. prosecutor's office on one of them
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 12 August 2018 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: Nehist
        Now even the enhanced enlightenment of fighters with sports exercises will not help! There will always be someone who calls or writes to the prosecutor’s office and hello ...

        What will he write about? About physical training? Or about drill training?
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 13 August 2018 02: 40
          +1
          The fact that their poor ones are so muzzled that there is no personal time laid down according to the charter. Well, the prosecutors do not care, even if you understand and recognize that there are no violations. They will drink some blood before this, and then the commanders will add
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 13 August 2018 18: 13
            0
            Quote: Nehist
            The fact that their poor ones are so muzzled that there is no personal time laid down according to the charter.

            Sorry, but all "for the health of precious recruits" - additional activities.
        2. Moore
          Moore 13 August 2018 04: 13
          +7
          Quote: Setrac
          What will he write about? About physical training? Or about drill training?

          Yes, exactly about that. The fact that the commander outside of the lesson plan (rarely does anyone think of a plan-synopsis on their knees, because they themselves are still green, but boil with fair anger to punish the offender) forced them to put on the OZK and make a march, during which they, unfortunate, "experienced physical torment and moral suffering ". I am not kidding. It was with this wording that a number of officers, for example, the Novosibirsk Missile Division, were put on trial, were convicted under Article 286 of the Criminal Code and thrown out of the army along with their mortgage apartments, insufficient seniority for retirement, etc.
          Of course, not a single one of the bosses wanted to stand up for their officers. On the contrary, they drowned deeper.
          Now for the article itself.
          At Twver 03.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX:
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/twower/missiia-nevypolnima-pochemu-tak-trudno-nakazat-voennoslujascego-po-prizyvu-5b63fd485c951200aa90a1cd
          Who was the "co-author" of whom?
      2. masterovoy
        masterovoy 13 August 2018 13: 34
        +1
        There are no hopeless situations, and the methods of collective responsibility for the order are inexhaustible, if the commander is not, he will always find a completely legal way to restore order.
    3. AUL
      AUL 12 August 2018 08: 57
      +5
      Regarding the situation at the level of officers, I can’t say anything, I don’t know. But here he served as a private, though a very long time ago. Therefore, I can express my opinion about the conscripts. I think the means of influencing them are quite enough without the "lip". In our unit, for example, there was an abbreviation "PMZ". I don't know if there was any official decryption, but the soldiers decoded it as "n ... my health." It was an extraordinary outfit for the stoker. The guys were more afraid of him than lips. And other methods, which Saigon wrote about above, work great, and everything is according to the charter! A couple of marches in the PCZ and gas masks for 3 km - and the whole team will intelligibly explain to the offender how wrong he is!
      1. ver_
        ver_ 13 August 2018 11: 37
        -1
        ... when the infantry * flew * -already already in the barracks - they dragged * young * backpacks of vodka from the station, the old men sent them, they were caught by battalion commander No. 1, the building was announced .. Before the formation they stated that they bought for themselves. The battalion commander offered to drink a bottle .. The attempt failed - a cough, tears, snot ... The battalion looked like Zeus ..
        However, the battalion commander No. 2 was cooler .. - when they were disassembled behind the barracks - the colo-type toilet he * knocked out * the battalion commander No. 1 with one blow, although he was a cut below and quite bushy - he used to box ..
    4. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 12 August 2018 11: 34
      +3
      Armed forces are the brainchild of the state as it is, such and its armed forces.
      1. dauria
        dauria 12 August 2018 20: 03
        0
        Armed forces are the brainchild of the state as it is, such and its armed forces.


        Well that's right. It’s not the Martians who serve, but our people. Moreover, they are different - one was torn off from his boobs, the other was hidden from prison in the army. Yes, that's just when the USSR was also afraid of the "Report". Not all, of course. We had a commander of the OVE, studied in absentia at the academy (Gagarinka). So I was afraid to wash dirty linen in public. Until it came to the edge, the boy from the outfit (chipboard) left the AK. Come on, I came to my senses, it didn't come to shooting. That's when they started running. And interrogators, and a tribunal and a prison (not a disbat) to one of the "grandfathers". Much depends on the commander. We had enough of one for a call to the disbat - and peace in the unit for a couple of years.
    5. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 44
      0
      The recipes worked great when they served 3/4 years. What can you teach in one year?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 12 August 2018 13: 35
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        The recipes worked great when they served 3/4 years. What can you teach in one year?

        We have boots with footcloths, and short fur coats with felt boots helped to win the war. It’s interesting, who is it so white and fluffy decided that you can serve in the army for 1 year, and sit in the State Duma from election to election? belay In one year you can prepare a potential sentry or "cannon fodder". The army must be professional, as there were years of great victories. For twenty years, willy-nilly, you will become a pro, and in the Great Patriotic War, major victories began when the "storekeepers" came and when the army "unlearned" on its own losses.
        A professional army has a number of advantages, one of which is "the quality of combat training." The most important thing in the army is not to "oskotin".
        soldier
    6. credo
      credo 12 August 2018 11: 55
      +2
      Quote: saigon
      No one will cancel the impact by the forces of personnel. Well, but to create a fierce desire of the soldiers to explain to a comrade that he is no longer right a matter of technology even within the framework of the charter.
      A creative approach in this matter is very important, as is diversity in creating incentives for soldiers to educate a comrade.
      The reinforced sports exercises, combat training and sudden training alarms at night help in the enlightenment of the military team.
      Moreover, all the recipes worked perfectly in the SA and everything in the framework of the charter, gentlemen, officers, you don’t even have to invent anything, just remember the experience of the authorized parts in the SA.

      I got the impression that the Authors write articles solely to fill the site with any article of any content, the main thing is that the place is not empty. The statement of a certain fact, which in itself has not yet been proved, does not mean that the described problem exists. On the other hand, what are the proposals from the Authors themselves, if they are so well versed in the intricacies of the current army service.
      Well, it’s clear that officers who are muzzled by the scribble, after three or five years, having realized the futility of their climate improvement initiatives in the units or units entrusted to them, lose all fervor and do not want to move this initiative up so as not to lose their next rank, apartment in a favorite place and retirement on time.
      So can the issue of changing the situation be approached creatively and, following the example of the mothers of soldiers who have cooperated around the Union of Soldiers' Mothers organization, create the same union only from the mothers of officers - the Union of Officers' Mothers, or from the wives of officers - the Union of Officers' Wives, since officers' meetings cannot bring a certain "problem" to the top. Do not consider this proposal as a joke or sarcasm, but if the officers have complaints about the military regulations, then they need to be concretized and solutions proposed on them. This is an old and time-tested method.
      As for the topic of the article regarding conscripts, in my opinion their life during the current period of service has hardly become "more fun and carefree", and some of the problems of the conscripts' attitude to service seem to have passed from the Soviet one, and this is primarily a flaw in the specialized scientific institutes of the Ministry of Defense and the MO itself.
    7. t-4
      t-4 14 August 2018 14: 52
      +3
      The author is right. Now the commanders of the daily LAWFUL have no effective methods of influencing the soldiers.
      To reprimands for fighters like hedgehogs to a soft spot. And the lip is out of reach, no one wants to bother her.
      Here everyone praises the old informal ways, such as upbringing by a team, festering in outfits for household work, etc. But such methods are out of desperation. Why should an officer "educate" a soldier using unofficial methods? What are they thinking up there? Why should a young officer dodge, invent something? Now is the 21st century. The soldiers easily write to the prosecutor, they use the Internet, and as a result, the young lieutenant, due to his unofficial methods, can fly out of the service.
      Everything should be simple and legal. The lip must be returned. Because there are no other methods.
      PS. It used to be:
      Dembel in May blinked, the demobilization will be in December.
      Times have changed.
  2. Conductor
    Conductor 12 August 2018 06: 18
    +3
    In the last photo, the first runner in the front belt?
    1. credo
      credo 12 August 2018 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: Conductor
      In the last photo, the first runner in the front belt?

      By the way, the third is back with exactly the same belt. So what? It is immediately clear that in part there is no time for leisure and the fighters were sent from the parade for a run. It is possible that for the case.
  3. Li17
    Li17 12 August 2018 06: 52
    +7
    I stand in the hardware store. Two bodies in major and captain uniforms. The tortured saleswoman no longer knows how to talk to them. Intervened upon seeing his own. The boys are looking for how to solve the problem - remove poplar from the territory of the unit! Have you tried two fighters and KAMAZ? The horror in the eyes - lowering, not supposed !!!!! This was personally ordered to us, even from the MTO it is impossible to attract. It’s clear, well, buy a chainsaw, still come in handy - well, I already said that the boys and bodies are in uniform, an incomprehensible moo! Well then, hire a man! Further there was a continuation. He told his co-worker a former worker in the local part, he added. I know these, they came up with a problem, I give them a chainsaw - but where to get gasoline? !!!! So, the Charter has long been a formality, and the reality is that it is necessary to introduce committees into the regular mother's committees, all the more so since women are already safe to walk through the territory of the unit - they are already there since the disco, and the local army is clearly not yet mature! degenerate Slavs!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 12 August 2018 08: 24
      +3
      Quote: lithium17
      The horror in the eyes is low, not proper ...

      I don’t understand ... what is "not allowed"? To knock down a poplar with two fighters? belay

      Your deeds are wonderful, Goss ... (c).
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 13 August 2018 02: 43
        +2
        Do not believe it but lowering !!! Preventive household work exclusively on outsourcing campaigns ...
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 12 August 2018 08: 41
      +1
      this is the degeneration of the officers. though. Glory to Bosch. not all of them.
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 48
      -1
      A liter of gasoline can not be drained from the tank of the car? belay Survived ... am
      1. ver_
        ver_ 13 August 2018 09: 20
        +1
        ... two soldiers from the construction battalion - replace the excavator ... There wasn’t any sappers in the unit - one checker and no problems ... In our regiment Chikovsky there was a separate engineer battalion, khe and 2 barracks of the construction battalion .. I don’t know who they are they obeyed, but they probably wouldn’t refuse to play, I think we also had a checker in the locker room. When I was at * retraining * - 2 months belly to the top - the men dragged a bag of TNT checkers - so it’s somewhere * grow * on warehouses ..
  4. bandabas
    bandabas 12 August 2018 06: 54
    +4
    In 97, our battalion commander managed to put a "demobilization" on his lip only through his acquaintances. But he managed, and to the very eyeballs of a soldier's service. That is, instead of returning home, the comrade received an unpleasant present.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 August 2018 16: 02
      +1
      Quote: bandabas
      In 97, our battalion commander managed to put a "demobilization" on his lip only through his acquaintances

      In 92, a stray "Czech" from the Strategic Missile Forces division was put on our (construction battalion) kitsch. The divisional zampotyl paid for the "service" with a dozen new blankets and a roll of winter footcloths.
      1. Sofievka
        Sofievka 12 August 2018 23: 41
        0
        In 1979, the Divisional Commander personally determined me for the transition of the runway for 7 days, but until I received a contribution (10 liters of Massandra) outright, they also brought in a couple of brooms and light bulbs, the effect of using the "lip" is zero !!! The semblance of punishment, only the power of the building of the "lip" of the wall about two meters and ... bugs, all remained in the memory.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 August 2018 07: 00
    +15
    It's too early to bury "hazing and fellow countrymen" - there are enough scandals with deaths in the news. But the fact that "rabid" lawyers drowned not only education, but also the army in papers is sad. The power and authority of an officer must be non-negotiable. Otherwise, it is not an army, but a paramilitary PTU.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 12 August 2018 08: 09
      +8
      This is completely different. Drastically. In the so-called hazing, there is less than bad in fact than good. One could always rely on the old-timers. Now the rule of power. The strong crush the weak. And not a charter or authority. And physical strength. And this is many times worse for me as
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: cariperpaint
        In the so-called hazing, there is less than bad in fact than good.
        What did you take today in the morning?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 12 August 2018 19: 37
          +4
          Glory - and he is right in hazing. Fellowship is much worse. The fact is that hazing is even useful if not reduced to absurdity. And to the absurdity you can bring any brilliant idea. hi
          1. tv70
            tv70 18 August 2018 07: 00
            0
            Igor, sorry! For me, fraternity is generally normal. I will explain for my service. Caught by the crowd. They are afraid of bruises. Caught one at a time, carried out outreach. For tomorrow they climb into the gums to kiss, brother, like. But this worked only with the Caucasian Central Asians, they were saddened to confess to each other that their spirit had enlightened. It really was easier for me, with my parents in the garrisons, I translated, from childhood I shook everything, with the soldiers it was good to lead friendship in the USSR. :)
        2. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint 13 August 2018 02: 41
          +6
          The term itself changed very much at that time. Hazing is not assault and bullying. It is simply a hierarchy in which those who are younger listen to those who are older. In my memory, there was only one scumbag who physically motivated someone, and his own punished him for it. What is wrong with the fact that for a few indulgences several senior officials control everything that happens in the barracks, while there are no officers? What is wrong with knowing their capabilities and relying on them and holding discipline in your absence? It is not necessary to think that cases of wild thugs were everywhere. This is not true.
          1. Silhouette
            Silhouette 13 August 2018 14: 08
            +2
            Quote: cariperpaint
            Edomism is not assault and bullying. It is simply a hierarchy in which those who are younger listen to those who are older.

            ..... They erase footcloths, do tidy instead, run after vodka, etc.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 13 August 2018 20: 25
              +3
              Quote: Silhouette
              They wash their footcloths, do tidy instead, run after vodka, etc.

              Hazing the pattern of the late 80s and early to mid-60s are two different things. hi
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 12 August 2018 08: 42
      0
      and lawyers then?
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 12 August 2018 12: 12
        -1
        And despite the fact that wherever you spit, you will get into it! You probably already hit ...
    3. credo
      credo 12 August 2018 12: 17
      0
      Quote: samarin1969
      It's too early to bury "hazing and fellow countrymen" - there are enough scandals with deaths in the news. But the fact that "rabid" lawyers drowned not only education, but also the army in papers is sad. The power and authority of an officer must be non-negotiable. Otherwise, it is not an army, but a paramilitary PTU.

      What "mad" lawyers, what are you talking about? If the collapse of the USSR, and then education, medicine, the economy and the army, who had a hand, his profession is called - a liberal, which included people with a wide variety of education, including military.
      I have long had a firm opinion that the MO itself has still not found a balance of interests and the need for service for officers, contractors and conscripts. I would like the MoD to return to the part of the political officers and deputies for the training, so that the soldiers and sergeants not only drove from the guard on duty and from duty to the guard, but also taught military affairs, since DOSAAF and others, still pre-war (1941-1945), the schools almost stopped their activities.
    4. credo
      credo 12 August 2018 12: 31
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      It's too early to bury "hazing and fellow countrymen" - there are enough scandals with deaths in the news. But the fact that "rabid" lawyers drowned not only education, but also the army in papers is sad. The power and authority of an officer must be non-negotiable. Otherwise, it is not an army, but a paramilitary PTU.

      And what has to do with the "mad" lawyers. What are you talking about?
      If someone had a hand in the collapse of the USSR, as well as the "transformation" of education, medicine, economy and the army, then his name is a liberal, where people were with any education, including military.
      As for the army itself, according to my current opinion, the problems that exist are that the Russian Defense Ministry itself still cannot find a balance of interests and the need for the service of officers, contractors and conscripts. I would suggest that the MoD return to the army the political officers and deputies for the training, so that they would provide more rational and useful service for the soldiers and sergeants of military service, rather than drove them every other day from the guard on duty and from duty to guard. Since DOSAAF and other useful schools that existed before the war (1941-1945) collapsed, it is necessary, at least for the period while conscripts are serving, to truly train their military profession, and not to drive them like lousy in a bathhouse , engaged only in drill and various duties. The guys do not get better from such a service and do not see any benefit in it, which is very bad and affects the relationship between them and the officers accordingly.
    5. ghby
      ghby 13 August 2018 11: 38
      +2
      These are not lawyers, these are bureaucrats of the highest standard. The number of papers and reports is increasing in all institutions, government agencies, people get hung up on reports, statistics, to the detriment of their main work. Where reports are born - from the desire to control and evaluate. I have already written many times my own vision of this problem: they picked up on the announcement of the chiefs (so to speak, career lifts from the last name, relatives, and other things not related to real work). Imagine a situation when someone's child became a boss without any work experience (in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this is possible - a starting race in a couple of months and now you are giving the command center in management, they told me about the army for chocolate positions without personnel, but with a stable growth) and in subordination there are people whose work needs to be evaluated. To give an objective assessment, you need to know the work, you need to know its subtleties, but if all this passed by? - It is necessary to come up with reports - statistics are our salvation, the numbers can be compared, and which are more and which are less, and to draw a conclusion (incorrect in most cases, and not accepted on earth - but subordination, however), and the higher such a "gifted" - detached from problems below a person rises, the more he will produce reports and other unnecessary papers, for which he will be quietly hated below, but this is only the top, in fact, an increase in the number of reports collapses the system itself in which the report and statistics are most important, and the staff begins to live with statistics, and not by your work, which you can score on - in the stat report everything is good, over time skills are lost, experience is not transferred to newcomers, they begin to live according to the rules, it is easier to control it than to evaluate the decision taken by an officer (other official) (and for this you need to know the job, which, alas, because of the super fast official elevators does not happen).
      P.S. 1. Everything written refers to the law enforcement agencies of my region, but it seems that in other regions everything is the same.
      P.S. 2. The lawyers have nothing to do with it, I don’t know what they offended you, but what you write is not the initiative of the lawyers.
  6. semenoffdima
    semenoffdima 12 August 2018 07: 13
    +10
    Within the framework of the charters, one can equally successfully and completely legally hesitate both an individual soldier and any unit — from squad to company and above. It would be a desire.
    As described above - some sporting events instead of leaving ones are only worth it ..
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 12 August 2018 08: 03
      +3
      Quote: semenoffdima
      some sporting events instead of leaving ones only cost ..

      It is possible, but ... Mother's committees will raise a howl like a funeral. What wander about their location, at any time convenient for them, with string bags and purses full of food and bundles of blank paper for writing complaints. I understand everything, maternal love and everything else, but everything should have some reasonable limit. We all rush from one extreme to another.
      1. credo
        credo 12 August 2018 12: 39
        0
        "... How they wander around the location, at any time convenient to them, with string bags and purses full of food, and packs of blank paper for writing complaints ..."

        I don’t know where you saw it, but in Russia parents are allowed into the unit only on the day of the oath. The rest of the time, visits to military personnel are possible only at the checkpoint, in the meeting room, and no more.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 12 August 2018 17: 59
          -1
          Quote: credo
          in Russia, parents are allowed into the unit only on the day of the oath. The rest of the time, visits to military personnel are possible only at the checkpoint, in the meeting room, and no more.

          It was once. Now mothers demand to show them where their child sleeps, what he eats, how he bathes, what he does at his leisure. And let the unit commander try to refuse her this. What will happen next I have already written.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 12 August 2018 08: 46
      -3
      ..a year before my call ..in the Chikovsky regiment (Chikov is the regiment commander, yeah, who went with the duty officer on the regiment to Gusinoozersk) .. So - for some sins they took three on the lip ... Obuchet guys were rather big - somewhere around 190 cm. They disarmed the guard and made * presenting * a divisional commander .. The commander surrendered .. They were brought to the unit and since then they haven’t taken anyone from the Chikovsky regiment ...
      1. saigon
        saigon 12 August 2018 14: 51
        +9
        I did not understand the attack on the guard is a crime, and the attack on the guard is stopped by the fire to defeat without options. They couldn’t hush it up either. It is difficult to imagine this with such consequences, most likely they would have put the hell out of the attackers.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 12 August 2018 17: 14
          -2
          ... what a fire to kill when they got inside ... They all served 3 years and were half a year at the harvest (then it was practiced) .. 3 seconds and the guard was disarmed and locked ... - no one ever previously did not do this - confusion and panic of guards ...
        2. ver_
          ver_ 20 August 2018 04: 38
          -1
          ... shitty service you know - the impossible is not possible in the army .. In the army you can * privatize * 2 machine gun barrels in the park and search for them with the whole division ... a fugitive soldier from the orphanage (whom he has been chubby) came to the general, where he lived for 2 days .. ., this time we were looking for him - then nobody touched him .., you can * quietly glander * (y) (you) drag GAZ 69 from the park and go AWOL, and this is at night .. - that’s why they were identified on lip ..
      2. tv70
        tv70 18 August 2018 07: 10
        0
        In my time, they would have fitted equipment and wailed from all trunks, as the battalion commander said, a bunch of jerks are more expensive to me than a couple of criminals.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 19 August 2018 10: 05
          -2
          ... with your brains only commanding strategic forces ...
  7. Vard
    Vard 12 August 2018 07: 43
    +1
    It’s not a matter of conscripts .... The fact is that in peacetime in commanders now people are absolutely not fit for this ...
    1. credo
      credo 12 August 2018 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      It’s not a matter of conscripts .... The fact is that in peacetime in commanders now people are absolutely not fit for this ...

      Well, you have a fantasy. If you know the military educational institutions of Russia, where they teach to be officers for war and peacetime, then we should know about this. It is very interesting. It is especially interesting about "... in peacetime ..." in relation to Russia. For a century we have here it is now a hot, then a cold war, then within the country, or at the border, and therefore officer education is built accordingly.
  8. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 12 August 2018 07: 58
    +5
    Gentlemen are the authors, but did you know that His Majesty the Prayer to the Report is prayed not only in the army? In civilian life - the same thing (possibly with the exception of quatrains and brothels). And since the army is a cast of society, then what do you want ???
  9. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 12 August 2018 07: 58
    +5
    Well, firstly, all these difficulties have always been. The lip as a species was removed ooooooc for a long time. Already in the 90th garrison thunder, there were no others. I remember well in Khabarovsk I wanted to teach a particularly clever lesson. And there are two of them in the city. One of ours is on Volochaevskaya, the other is sailors at the KAF base. All. And the parts around the city are dark in itself. We found such a way for the sailors to the center under the supervision of the landing force, and vice versa) the brains were adjusted very well because you yourself didn’t like each other) but there were not enough places there and it wasn’t possible to get there. Solved by improvised ways. The guns were empty, and some were locked there. Or all kinds of things were sent to pigsties. But it's not that. When we cleaned for 2 years, we all immediately realized that we started to have huge troubles. No matter how anyone says it, the old-timers, with proper control, ensured discipline from and to. As soon as this system was broken, in its place came the rule of who is stronger is right. And that’s all. There was no one to keep discipline. And dances with tambourines began. As for the beautiful reports and other things ... Come on))) it always flourished) I know hundreds of cases like this at any time) runners, which tens of people quietly searched for in a year. Recessed ammunition, so that reports are not written and not explained how they remained. Lost (most likely stale) hundreds of sheepskin short fur coats that disappeared every month and trips to combines for scraps to write them off nicely. Injured conscripts who were put into the hospital and quietly commuted so as not to make noise. Many dozens more examples here will give how you had to get out, the main thing is not to fall under the distribution. In 90 wild cases were general. Like 5 conscripts died for various reasons, but in one regiment. And how then the commission arrived, but in the units there are no one except the guards and the officers on duty. Everyone in the woods bakes potatoes, the main thing is that they would not be fired. What am I doing. Discipline and what happens in the unit is the work of officers. This is their work and how they deal with it is an indicator. If part of the mess is to blame for everything. From bottom to top. This is an organism. Which either works or simply exists. For this reason, some major truth-teller is not to blame for anything, and the rest are all such blunders this is nonsense. I saw everything, but before my eyes there is always an example of my dad to whom his soldiers are still writing letters. Parcels send)
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2018 12: 20
      0
      I repeat, the system broke down after it was allowed to serve with a criminal record!
    2. tv70
      tv70 18 August 2018 07: 17
      0
      Often, dear, I’ve even seen Dad at home. He went to bed, dad is not there yet, he got up in the morning, dad is already gone. I regret that I put it off and put it off, to go to my parents. He came to the funeral and only then realized that I still loved the folder.
  10. ser65
    ser65 12 August 2018 08: 27
    +1
    now the soldiers are not a problem ... now the contractors, recruited in 12-13 by the announcements of a headache. people stretched for a long ruble in the sun, and nobody wants to work with them and no one.
  11. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 12 August 2018 08: 55
    +3
    Off topic. I don’t understand something. 18 comments are written, but I only see 6. Wonders. recourse
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 12 August 2018 12: 24
      +1
      Yes. there is such. Press F 5 to update. And also, the letter "e" got me. Constantly crawls out not under his button!
  12. faiver
    faiver 12 August 2018 09: 05
    +3
    Today, the Russian army has developed a system in which the picture in the reports is more important than the real state of affairs
    - this is not in the army, but in the country ... hi
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 August 2018 09: 15
    +1
    What kind of people in the country are the same in the army. After all, not aliens serve. The main thing is to protect the country if something happens. But in war, other dimensions. soldier
  14. ver_
    ver_ 12 August 2018 09: 21
    -1
    ..a year before my call ..in the Chikovsky regiment (Chikov is the regiment commander, yeah, who went with the duty officer on the regiment to Gusinoozersk) .. So - for some sins they took three on the lip ... Obuchet guys were rather big - somewhere around 190 cm. They disarmed the guard and made * presenting * a divisional commander .. The commander surrendered .. They were brought to the unit and since then they haven’t taken anyone from the Chikovsky regiment ...
  15. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 12 August 2018 09: 26
    +1
    Authors, I beg you, it feels like you have not served in the army, but a million ways and methods to annul the soldier’s yearbook, so he will forget how to fly again
  16. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 12 August 2018 09: 28
    0
    And really, if the platoon and the company are intelligent, then they will not forget the soldier, and if the nerd is a mess, then the carcasses are light
    1. ver_
      ver_ 18 August 2018 04: 52
      0
      ... our company was a funny guy .. Moskvich .. When the officers received * money * - a company of communications - 11 people .. changed their deployment ... in the barracks. Everyone * migrated * to the location of the infantry ... which was on guard .. The company at night came to arrange * a combat drill *, not finding the personnel - left ..
  17. Pushkar
    Pushkar 12 August 2018 09: 40
    0
    It has always been that way. And now, with the restoration of GlavpUR, it will be even worse. Only the practice of non-statutory "punishments" is in effect, for example, a march in gas masks (sorry, in a "chemically contaminated area").
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 12 August 2018 12: 03
      0
      What is it that it is so unauthorized to practice a march throw under conditions of infection?))) Is it enough to include it in the preparation plan and everyone is happy) political management here is not at all sideways)))
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 13 August 2018 15: 05
        0
        Quote: cariperpaint
        What is it that it is so unauthorized to practice a march throw under conditions of infection?))) Is it enough to include it in the preparation plan and everyone is happy) political management here is not at all sideways)))
        I'm talking about a disciplinary charter. Political governance is nowhere by any means; according to the constitution, we have no ideology.
  18. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 12 August 2018 10: 06
    +2
    In our company, a non-Slavic guy lit up acting brigade commander with a pack of beer outside the territory of the unit. They put it on the lip for 10 days. He really didn’t bathe on the lip, but 10 days later he really plunged him into despondency for a letter to his homeland and county home.
  19. aleks26
    aleks26 12 August 2018 11: 02
    +4
    Admin! Your "+" is not working correctly. You put "+" - the counter is increased by 4 units, you refresh the page, the counter value returns to its original value.
  20. Glory1974
    Glory1974 12 August 2018 11: 10
    +3
    The correct article. I absolutely agree with the authors. Army discipline is fundamental. If there is no discipline, there will be nothing. But commanders often cannot influence conscripts. It all depends on personal authority. That is, everything is put on the notorious human factor. Thank God most of us have normal officers, and soldiers come to serve more or less well-educated. But if there is any moral in the company, then all, put out the light.
    At the end of the 90's, when the guardhouse was canceled, they were allowed to declare an arrest, and although the soldier did not really sit, this day did not count towards his term of service. It really was a deterrent. When this tool was removed, the number of officers convicted of scuffles increased 2 times.
    It is high time for the charter to introduce real punishments for conscripts, not mythical reprimands. Unfortunately, those at the top have already forgotten this problem, and those at the bottom have no opportunity for this. Therefore, we must talk about this. It may even involve human rights defenders and a committee of soldiers' mothers, because if the commander does not have the opportunity to maintain discipline, this is a real threat to everyone and everyone.
    By the way, many incentives are also not particularly relevant. For example, "a picture at the banner" is of course honorable to someone, but you can live peacefully without it. Not to mention gratitude, etc.
  21. XXXIII
    XXXIII 12 August 2018 11: 16
    +3
    Who is the main infinite in the Russian army?
    gdp rf, who else, do not get it wrong .... wassat
  22. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 12 August 2018 11: 24
    -3
    Confession of the conscript of the Soviet army ...
    Put the charters in your ass - the first six months I was beaten every day, but every other day. For the second six months I plowed like a bobby, I beat the third half year, the fourth watched those who beat. That’s the whole charter.
  23. Altona
    Altona 12 August 2018 11: 31
    -1
    Quote: Conductor
    In the last photo, the first runner in the front belt?

    ----------------------
    It's like an athlete's yellow or red bib, a peculiar difference is visible. laughing
  24. Altona
    Altona 12 August 2018 11: 37
    +1
    I don't know about the Charter, but collective responsibility was widely used in the Soviet army - a mass sporting event, a mass drill, and as part of a platoon where the offender is serving. In general, around the offender, the public is excited to the state of "I can’t eat" and the impact is already laid on its shoulders. Physical impact is combined with moral (labels "brake, stupid, felt boots, incomplete piece") and physical "unintentional" impact.
  25. sabakina
    sabakina 12 August 2018 11: 40
    +8
    No, you also need to punish someone, for example, the head of the park, who does not catch mice.
    I didn’t know that we have cats in charge of parks .... Although .... Remembering the adventures of a Russian cat in England (God grant him health), then everything is possible.
    But seriously, then ... My father served as an urgent in the construction battalion for 3.5 years (my mother says that in the spring of 1966 there was no demobilization order), who told me that they, old servicemen, gave oil to newcomers. The concept of "spirit", "scoop", etc. appeared after they were allowed to call up people with a criminal record in the Armed Forces, who brought the unwritten laws of the zone into the army. Yes, there were self-propelled guns then, but without such consequences that they would be put on trial.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 12 August 2018 20: 24
      +2
      told me that they, old-timers, were giving butter to beginners.

      I served in the early 90s, and there was also such a "give oil to perfume." In some parts there was a "thug soldier day." Young fighters put on belts "on eggs", a hat on the back of the head, etc. , "grandfathers" walked like darlings.
    2. tv70
      tv70 18 August 2018 07: 26
      0
      It was, it was ...
  26. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 12 August 2018 12: 29
    0
    Quote: cariperpaint
    Now the rule of power. Strong crush the weak

    so this is the rule of life
  27. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 12 August 2018 12: 40
    0
    Quote: sabakina
    The concept of "spirit", "scoop", etc. appeared after they were allowed to call up people with a criminal record in the Armed Forces, who brought the unwritten laws of the zone into the army

    in one good film of the 50s, a father meeting his son on leave from the army says: "What! Have you been kicked out of the army?" It was very funny to hear that in the 70s.
    However, such an opportunity was very real before.
    My uncle was kicked out of the army at the end of the 40s, but he hid information about his father - "an enemy of the people" ... True, before that they beat him so that he spat blood for the rest of his life!
  28. andron-30
    andron-30 12 August 2018 16: 07
    0
    To begin with, he recruited Colonel Staver as a consultant. So, the first (and last) that Comrade Colonel gave me, having familiarized himself with the situation, that the smartest thing would be to rot not a self-propelled gunner or a hand-waged fighter, spoiling the equipment, but a company who was unable to cope with the personnel. either the author of this above is simply a rogue or here you need to figure out the military prosecutor’s office
  29. free
    free 12 August 2018 16: 18
    +2
    Well, things are in the native army, frankly bad.
  30. akunin
    akunin 12 August 2018 16: 33
    -3
    with conscripts, okay, but the cadets of military schools are generally song. In some training units, officers make their beds and if something goes wrong, parents and the "committee of soldiers' mothers" arrive.
  31. tractor driver73
    tractor driver73 12 August 2018 21: 12
    0
    A soldier should think with an upsurge of lights out!
  32. Griol
    Griol 12 August 2018 22: 25
    +2
    Depriving commanders of real disciplinary authority is a crime aimed at the collapse and destruction of the army. Previously, Glavpur was engaged in this, now the same structures are ruining the army.
  33. garri-lin
    garri-lin 12 August 2018 22: 49
    +5
    The modern army is rather accelerated military training courses. And the approach should be appropriate. Grade 2 on behavior this month? Do not count this month. Demobilized comrade soldiers a month later.
    Can't run march throw and pull yourself up? In the next month, a re-examination. And to serve, respectively, also for a month more. The soldiers' desire to show their character will disappear literally after a couple of three "failures". And Moms for such negligent soldiers will also insert stars on the phone for negligence.
    The decision on such a punishment should be made by the immediate commander.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 August 2018 03: 37
      +1
      The only constructive comment. There's something about it. Most ... from the ranks of the SA. Collective punishment threatens the officer himself. And sports events "from the bulldozer" to the detriment of the "personal time of servicemen" - a direct way to get a hat from the KSM ... Accordingly, scolding from the commander higher. "You are more careful with them" ...
      Democracy and human rights ... We are following the path of the American army. For what? The result in the same place, with an American, can be seen today.
      And for contractors, fines must be introduced. But how? The army still does not pay for work. Only for the position and title ...
  34. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 13 August 2018 12: 11
    +1
    The problem with conscripts is exaggerated, with competent sergeants and foremen, conscripts are silk. And all that is written down is just about contract soldiers. Especially young people, after a year of urgency. Because the only punishment that is tangible for them is punishment in rubles. And to punish with a ruble you need a lot paper to scribble.
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  36. angie
    angie 14 August 2018 00: 10
    -1
    Military strategy: flight training for military use
    Russian proposal
    15% of male flies are more suitable because of their genes, while women were trained at 45% for Russian military training and education.
    and his DNA was mutated to adapt to the introduction of military microchips, through which information is sent from its enemies:
    Nowadays, as a rule, we find cyborgs among us.
    the day will come when you will have to pay for the cyborg to fly around your house ...
    The world is changing and you probably won’t stay wink
  37. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 15 August 2018 00: 45
    0
    In short, it does not go out to sit on two chairs, you have to make a choice. Either leave military service, which gives nothing but visibility, or it’s cool to turn everything around and create the Vsevobuch system (as a reserve for a cadre army). And if military training becomes tied to a career in civilian life, discipline among draftees will immediately increase dramatically. Well, if some lawless people drop out, there’s nothing wrong with that.
  38. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 18 August 2018 17: 15
    0
    outline plan and on the parade ground, for classes in fp, to gag to such a state that they slept on the go, that's all!
  39. wartander
    wartander 19 February 2022 00: 08
    0
    Right now, a relative has been serving for 18 years!
    He wanted to serve in the army! (as a patriot of his country)
    Half of the company has a cold, cough, runny nose, etc., it’s cold in the barracks, all the frames are new, but the boiler room is also blowing, barely breathing!
    The contractors are generally some kind of Gopota on a hair dryer and a mat! (there is a kid who, before the army, didn’t swear, from the army he will come blatant and swearing)
    Weapons so there are no words, everything is barely breathing!
    With food, everything is sad - on TV they show a pickled buffet, yes, you know that the food in the army is excellent right now!
    In fact, it happens that they feed once a day, either in the morning or in the evening, and then with some kind of bullshit, but they can give 1 daily ration for 1 of them for a day! (Everything is stolen or how to understand it!)
    And what a person at the age of 18 after that will have a craving for the Service and Love for the Motherland if he immediately finds himself in such an environment where everyone swears and fenya blatny bozari and the officers don’t give a damn and he sneezes all sick!