NASA commented on the possible termination of the supply of RD-180

NASA refused to answer questions about the possible consequences if the Russian side restricted the supply of RD-180 rocket engines in response to new sanctions, reports RIA News.

Instead, the US space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations.

According to the representative of the department, the contract clearly states that enterprises that, in the interests of NASA on a commercial basis, launch satellites and other scientific instruments into space, are “responsible for providing the launch system necessary for the fulfillment of the mission” stipulated by the contract.

This provision, he said, also applies to the delivery of US cargo to the ISS.

Earlier, a member of the Federation Council, Sergei Ryabukhin, said that a possible response to the new anti-Russian sanctions, which Washington said on Wednesday, would be to restrict the supply to the US of the Russian X-180 rocket engines.

Recall that the agreement on the supply in the US of the 101 RD-180 engine was signed in the 1997 year. The cost of the transaction amounted to nearly a billion dollars. About two years ago, the US Congress imposed a ban on the use of Russian engines after the 2019 of the year, but then shifted this deadline to the right until the 2022 of the year.

In July, Energomash announced the conclusion of a new contract for the supply of six additional engines in 2020. Moreover, NASA has certified RD-180 for astronaut flights into space.

Comments

[Blackmokona]

And what is there to comment on? All launches will go from Atlases-5 to Falcons-9. ULA will cry, and SpaceX will dance with joy

[Smoked]

Yeah, everything is very simple. Plus, our industry, i.e. workers in the long run, will not receive a salary.

[Vard]

Well, it’s possible in another way ... To create an offshore zone in the Crimea where patent law does not apply ... Anyway, it was not recognized as a subject of the Russian Federation ...

[dorz]

Quote: Vard

Well, it’s possible in another way ... To create an offshore zone in the Crimea where patent law does not apply ... Anyway, it was not recognized as a subject of the Russian Federation ...

A few days ago, a decree was signed on the formation of two offshore companies (in the Far East and Kaliningrad) to re-register Russian companies that have fallen under sanctions and reduce the tax burden for future investors.

[Infinity]

Quote: Smoked

Yeah, everything is very simple. Plus, our industry, i.e. workers in the long run, will not receive a salary.

The problem is that the Yankees are likely to refuse anyway. Companies (Blue Origin with its BE-4 methane, Aerojet Rocketdyne with its new AR series. And Blue Origin have already signed a contract with ULA to create and use the BE-4) will be crushed in the USA. It seems to me a matter of time.
Moreover, our own pressure. Although there is no direct alternative for enterprises. The space industry is currently experiencing hard times: budget cuts, date rescheduling, etc. With us, they really can be without profit. Recently Energomash asked for a fin. help (30 billion rubles, sort of). And what will happen when the contracts run out for deliveries of the RD-180?

All the American engines I mentioned have already passed fire tests at the stands.

[Sarmat Sanych]

The share of deliveries of Energomash RD-180 in Energomash’s profit is not even 30%, so this will not particularly affect salaries. But the "passed fire tests" amers. Engines do not seem to cause much confidence in NASA.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

the share of Energomash RD-180 deliveries in Energomash’s profit is not even 30%, so this will not particularly affect salaries.

You just can’t imagine what is happening with a company that loses, say 25% of its revenue. there such a chuckler begins, mom do not grieve.
not only will it affect salaries, but not a few people will be fired because there will be no other way out.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

the share of Energomash RD-180 deliveries in Energomash’s profit is not even 30%, so this will not particularly affect salaries.

You just can’t imagine what is happening with a company that loses, say 25% of its revenue. there such a chuckler begins, mom do not grieve.
not only will it affect salaries, but not a few people will be fired because there will be no other way out.

The journalist with the trampoline will be fired, it doesn’t matter. But the price must be revised upwards, it is necessary.

[Simargl]

Quote: sgazeev

But the price must be reviewed in the direction of increase, it is necessary.

So they were bought only because they managed to bargain at the price of production in practice. We’ll increase to commercial - they will refuse to take it themselves - there are their own engines

[edge]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

But the "passed fire tests" American engines do not seem to inspire much confidence in NASA.

there is an option to cut a bitch for them .... the number of launches in the interests of the Pentagon will be reduced, satellite groups will be difficult to maintain, part of the space programs will be curtailed, we can only do it (it’s annoying that we will make money for the Chinese and European people)

[hydrox]

Not only trust: these engines have not yet provided the necessary number of hours of fire resource statistics so that they can be planned for serious launches (except for satellite for student television broadcasting at MIT!) ;-))
In general, the delivery ban is an idiotic decision: Liberians didn’t have the mind to inflate prices three times, explaining this with force majeure in the form of sanctions - if only the Americans would turn around in their own frying pan! ;-))

[igorbrsv]

Six RD-180 engines for $ 10 each, totaling 400 million rubles. They are not because of this 30 mln. asking for rubles.

[DED_peer_DED]

All these and others, amerskie can provide the RATIO price-quality-reliability-insurance?
No. Small-grained people have to work on "similar" relationships for decades.

[igorbrsv]

It seems that this engine is being discontinued. Only at the request of the Americans they will make another 6 pieces. Therefore, this should not affect the salary

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Smoked

Yeah, everything is very simple. Plus, our industry, i.e. workers in the long run, will not receive a salary.

And Energomash will incur losses and a fine for the failure of the contract, and a member of the Federation Council Sergei Ryabukhin will receive his salary unchanged, he probably will cover the losses of workers and the plant from his salary, as well as the state that will not receive taxes.

[Vlad.by]

Energomash will not carry anything. The clause on force majeure always prescribes the inapplicability of fines and penalties in government decisions.
These engines are unlikely to even pull 1% of the proceeds of the plant, not that 25-30% of the profits. Another thing is that to refuse that which floats in hands itself is a sin.
But not deadly.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Vlad.by

But not deadly.

But very painful.

In 2018, the company plans to supply customers with three types of power units - 11 RD-180 engines, two RD-191 engines and six RD-181 engines.

RD-180,181 is for Americans, I don’t know how much it is in profit.

Quote: Vlad.by

Another thing is that to refuse that which floats in hands itself is a sin.

Not only is it sinful, but sinful is sinful and only such thoughts can come to the inflamed brain of the politicians who have sat up.

[edge]

Quote: saturn.mmm

And Energomash will incur losses and a penalty for the failure of the contract

I didn’t notice that Amiks paid fines to us for losses, what would we pay then

[Mih1974]

Well, for individual "personalities" - this is to the presence of Faberge and the conscience of the Kremlin. And in terms of money, you need to develop your OWN, but I can't believe that in Russia there are no tasks for launching satellites for various purposes into space. Surely, for various companies there, and for tracking forests (fires), and for "glonas", you can probably also remove satellites and already get profit from it.
But what is really possible and necessary - according to "laws from the President" and, referring to force majeure, to break the contract for the supply of mericases to the MSC) .That's really, let them fly as they want, even though they use a "trampoline" at Rogozin's suggestion. They have a Falcon "- let them fly on it. A dozen more astronauts will blow up, let them kick themselves.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Mih1974

it is necessary to develop YOURSELF, but I won’t believe in life that in Russia there are no tasks to launch satellites for various purposes

What side is the RD-180 here? In the Russian Federation there is no carrier on which this engine can be installed. The rights to the RD-180 belong to the Americans. Have you heard either one or the other?

Quote: Mih1974

But what is really possible and necessary - according to "laws from the President" and referring to force majeure, to break the contract for the supply of mericases to the MSC

The president does not legislate. Is it possible to crank this up by Presidential Decree - I personally do not know. And you?
And where, by the way, did you see force majeure there? Do you even know what this word means?

Quote: Mih1974

let them fly like they want

How they want to ... "lie", oha
In short: you write nonsense. Feline

[DVTamga]

Rights to the RD-180 belong to the Americans? This is serious? Wild incompetence! General Dynamics acquired the right to use the engine in 1996. Wrong! Right! You confused a finger with ... with your back. However, as always, and in his stupid manner ..... Ballast.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: DVTamga

Rights to the RD-180 belong to the Americans? This is serious?

This is mistake. Do not belong

Quote: DVTamga

Wild incompetence! ... you confused your finger with ... with your back. However, as always, and in his stupid manner ..... Ballast

Take a pie from the shelf, and hammer them with cloves (s)

[DED_peer_DED]

There are tasks.

We say - Russia, we mean - OUR COUNTRY!
AN, options, crawl ...
It can be written on the fence, and the grandmother enters behind the fence, with his eyes drill and so on and so ...
Ah, no - matching ..

[97110]

Quote: Smoked

that is, workers ultimately will not receive a salary.

In a well-maintained capitalist democracy, workers should already clarify the so-called "owners" their measure of responsibility for the theft of them, workers, money. Both the Government and the Tsar’s Duma. Of course, there is no hope for Zyuganov, it’s time to change and make the Communist Party a normal workers' party, which can raise the workers to a strike, if they don’t understand, and to a universal one. And not by the election of the Secretary General of the Director General of CJSC State Farm ... ". It is time for the workers to wake up, to understand that the President of a capitalist country cannot be an expression of their, workers, interests, except with a fright.

[DED_peer_DED]

o_o.
Honey will explain to bees, HOW IT IS (eat)?
But ...

[Real russian]

Quote: 97110

Quote: Smoked

that is, workers ultimately will not receive a salary.

In a well-maintained capitalist democracy, workers should already clarify the so-called "owners" their measure of responsibility for the theft of them, workers, money. Both the Government and the Tsar’s Duma. Of course, there is no hope for Zyuganov, it’s time to change and make the Communist Party a normal workers' party, which can raise the workers to a strike, if they don’t understand, and to a universal one. And not by the election of the Secretary General of the Director General of CJSC State Farm ... ". It is time for the workers to wake up, to understand that the President of a capitalist country cannot be an expression of their, workers, interests, except with a fright.

- calls for riots ??? And this is on the VO site ???

[bratchanin3]

If our space industry is focused only on Americans, then we must immediately put an end to this industry. I think that our specialists should be oriented differently.

[Dimontius]

Federation Council Sergei Ryabukhin ....... Why the hell are these senators in general? The only lever the Russian Federation has is that these notorious rd-180s ... and only a figure who knows nothing about international relations can afford to wave it like a bogeyman. Therefore, our Foreign Ministry does not say a word about them, because it will look MUCH. And this Ryabukhin just to get into the news feeds

[Sarmat Sanych]

Dimontius, who told you that the only one? Russia has not even introduced real sanctions against Matrasia. The cost of American assets in the Russian Federation (Coca-Cola, Exxon Mobil, GM, Dow, Pepsi, City Group, Chevron Corp., Kraft Foods, Cargill, Ford, GE, etc.) - HALF TRILLION $, that's more than 100 (! ) factories. Our investments in the Federal Reserve System are only $ 14 billion, while the value of Russian assets in the territory of Sashashka is only $ 5 billion, so look at the net difference. We can confiscate $ 500 billion of American assets and they will not be able to prevent us, because if they attack, they will receive the complete nuclear destruction of the States. Let them thank God that our elite is largely comprador. Also, Russia could completely PARALIZE the nuclear energy of America and the whole world. Rosatom is the only company on the planet with a cost-effective uranium enrichment technology. All the world producers of MOX fuel depend on it, including Westinghouse, we can stupidly arrange a collapse in the States by turning off all their nuclear power plants. I am generally silent about blocking the transit of the American contingent from Afghanistan to our territory; by the way, they have imported more than $ 2001 trillion of weapons and equipment there since 1. Plus the refusal on our part to return and send their astronauts from / to the ISS - this is generally the finish line for striped ears. The cost of both Russian and American segments of the ISS is $ 1 trillion, and our cosmonauts will take their segment for themselves, and all the Omerigans will look at it from Earth and defecate with snot. Russia is suffering for a very long time, it's time to show your teeth.

[igorbrsv]

It is interesting that such "little things" either do not everyone know, or they do not want to notice point-blank

[Mih1974]

Those who notice that they are too tied up, with villas, accounts THERE, the kids also got used to "not flying with cattle" well, you understand.

[Dimontius]

aaa cry Have fun writing, only here are your measures of some sort of North Korean or something))

We Can Confiscate $ 500 Billion US Assets

We’ll drown the companies in lawsuits, and European vassals can easily restrain us, which we see with the case of Naftogaz in Stockholm. Tell me what they can without our gas? partly yes, only here amers need to quarrel with our largest trading partner.

PARALIZE America's Nuclear Power

They will replace with more expensive uranium from Canada or Australia.

About blocking the transit of emergency through our territory of the American contingent from Afghanistan

They are already stuck around the world ... they will make their way somehow and without us.

It sounds great about space, especially this :

will look at it from Earth and defecate with snot.

only now I’m not feeling for long, and Roskosmos doesn’t feel very financially anyway.
We are not advice, and we cannot afford to act to our own detriment, against the background of a not-so-growing economy. Alas.

[Mih1974]

Vee my friend - DEBIL, this is not an insult, this is a medical diagnosis.
First, space - the Americans DO NOT have and the devil only knows when they make a "bucket" they will risk sending people in it, because their "Falcon" is made using a dumb technology, even dumber than a "shuttle". No, of course, you can send people on it, but he can only burn at any moment, and after two ditched shuttles - it will be pure suicide.
As for uranium, you are not just stupid, you are much worse - you are discussing a thing about which you did not even bother to read anything. The problem of the United States is not at all in Uranium, but they are just the Australian and all sorts of others are shoving into their reactors, the problem is that uranium, like ore, cannot be pushed into the rector, well, it is impossible for the FSE. Uranium must be - processed, enriched according to the correct name, and not anyhow, but STRICTLY in a certain standard, otherwise it will burn. And this is where your lack of education affects - the United States was the first to start enriching uranium, thought that they were the smartest and did it by the method of "tricky filters", the so-called gas-diffusion method, but this only eats a SEA of electricity. You will laugh, but for such a plant for "enrichment of uranium" they have built a nuclear power plant nearby only for it ... And the "stupid quilted jackets" did what the Americans considered "technically unfeasible" - centrifuge enrichment. In total, over several decades, the Merikases were forced to close ALL of their uranium enrichment plants (both old and emergency), and the "quilted jackets" continued to enrich more of ALL uranium (and other) in the World. For more than 30 years, happy Americans have been buying "loose" Russian weapons-grade uranium, until ours say - and then everything is at market prices and now mattresses are like that old woman - there are NO uranium enrichment plants in the world, there are almost no people in the world and who can not be bought, because this is not a sausage "I want to sell Vasya, but I don’t want to - Pete" all capacities (except for Russian ones) are already planned for their nuclear power plants and in order for the merikas to buy themselves "someone else's", it is necessary to actually close someone's NPP.

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

The cost of American assets in the territory of the Russian Federation (Coca-Cola, Exxon Mobil, GM, Dow, Pepsi, City Group, Chevron Corp., Kraft Foods, Cargill, Ford, GE, etc.) - $ 100 trillion, this is more than XNUMX (! ) factories

And what will you do with these assets? Handing over to scrap metal in China, and workers on the street is all that can be done.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Puncher, do not understand the issue, this is far from scrap. Plus, if such a booze has already gone - let them sit down. Or do you apologize in the event of total tightening not to respond in all possible non-military ways? So what is your difference from everyone criticized by the people and even here on the site of the Kudrins-Gref? Everything is logical with me.

[voyaka uh]

"HALF TRILLION $, this is more than 100 (!) Factories." ////

There will be no 100 plants - there will be hundreds of thousands of unemployed. Not in America - in Russia.
And they will reopen factories in other countries where labor is relatively cheap.
You have tips ...

[Sarmat Sanych]

Warrior, read above, you froze nonsense again. And we have powerful leverage, we do not even use 10%.

[Mih1974]

Yes, yes, they will close the factories, but what about the wells, the loudest "Sakhalin-1" and "2", they will close the same, and we do not need to lie here - the "uncle in the kozanka" will come and say "who are temporary Get off, the power has changed "and the factory will continue to work.
And we don't need to lie here, "the Americans will not bring their resources and spare parts for these factories." The same "salt" all sorts - even if it is closed, instead of this acid (really, read the composition) Kvass, Fruit drinks and more will be made.
All sorts of "Fords", "Opel", etc. - well, they are not collected from American affairs, I am not talking about the Label or "stamp", but about the actual, they collect from - Chinese, South Korean, Taiwanese. That is, the deliveries will be "through rectal", but they will be the same.

[Setrac]

Quote: voyaka uh

There will be no 100 plants - there will be hundreds of thousands of unemployed.

All these plants sell their products inside Russia - all of them will continue to work after a minor reorganization.

[DED_peer_DED]

Russia has not yet introduced sanctions against its left pocket!
Like, "I'll keep my wallet in the RIGHT pocket, and the left pocket - a fig !!!"
And, what leg between pockets walking from one body?
But, this is nothing ...
If it is NECESSARY .... Let's make them (legs) walk in "different directions"! And we will tear the body.
Oh steepness ...

[Vlad.by]

Well, the only ones ...
The flight to Asia along the Russian corridors was much more serious.
And on contractual obligations - a government decision on sanctions is a specific force majeure. No penalties accrue ...
And if you want to "ensure delivery" of something to the ISS - buy a truck seat from Roscosmos. If they sell. And if the price is fine.
And the price can also be specified. Sanction.
So let’s see how many cargoes the Falcons will transport to the ISS, and if their carrier breaks ...

[Hole puncher]

Quote: Vlad.by

The flight to Asia along the Russian corridors was much more serious.

Somehow in the days of the USSR

[Felix]

since then the number of passengers carried by air has grown by an order of magnitude ..

[igorbrsv]

In Soviet times, they generally flew around us

[Sarmat Sanych]

Vlad, and that too, I’m saying - the list of our responses can potentially be very long and painful.

[Vladimirovich_4]

Quote: Vlad.by

And if you want to "ensure delivery" of something to the ISS - buy a truck seat from Roscosmos. If they sell. And if the price is fine.

Actually, they have their own trucks. Moreover, unlike Russian progress, reusable. They can not only carry goods but also return them.
But manned ships and the truth. Just getting ready for a test first flight.

[Mih1974]

Lies - to the ISS just one-time. , this is still enough for them to a low orbit, and in order not to get warm but to try to land, the "stations" must be too weak.

[Vladimirovich_4]

https://news.rambler.ru/tech/40473139-kosmicheskiy-gruzovik-dragon-privodnilsya-v-tihom-okeane/

[Mih1974]

Oh, but I don't know that the alliances are returnable and now the bundle of the "Union" rocket and the descent vehicle is a "reusable" system Where is the data that exactly the "return" part of the rocket, what so does Musk boast of having successfully sat down after this launch? :)

[Vladimirovich_4]

Judging from the experience of communicating with you, I came to the conclusion that you are a clinically stupid person.
so be it to you proof

https://ria.ru/space/20180802/1525851994.html

I’ll even quote you, otherwise you won’t find it yourself, it’s a feeling

SpaceX is developing reusable spacecraft technology, launching the first stage of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle on a regular basis, as well as reusing the capsule of the Dragon cargo ship. The spacecraft returning to Earth has already been to the ISS in 2016.

And yes. The union is indeed manned by a refundable, but DISPOSABLE. The truck progress is not even returned (burns out in the atmosphere during descent). The reusable of these three is only the dragon.
I hope I clearly explained.

[Barzha]

Here the question is not who will dance for joy.

the American space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations.

The question here is that they specifically hint that if you refuse to supply the RD-180, then under the terms of the contract, we will punish you. Those. sanctions sanctions, and do not dare to violate the contract. And this is the standard approach of the Americans - "sanctions only where we ourselves" do not hurt ", and where" it hurts "everything should work, how it worked!"

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Barzha

And this is the standard approach of the Americans - "sanctions only where we ourselves" do not hurt ", and where" it hurts "everything should work, how it worked!"

So Russia should do so, and not so "spitefully granny frostbite his ears"

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Barzha

Here the question is not who will dance for joy.

the American space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations.

Those. sanctions sanctions, and do not dare to violate the contract. And this is the standard approach of the Americans - "sanctions only where we ourselves" do not hurt ", and where" it hurts "everything should work, how it worked!"

And the signatories of the contract from our side, what did you think when they made the contract? Why they did not foresee such a development of events. How is the announcement of sanctions? Looks like they only need a head for a meal.

[igorbrsv]

The imposition of sanctions on the export of rd-180 by the Russian Federation is a force majeure circumstance that will allow the suspension of the contract by Energomash

[Barzha]

Krasnoyarsk
And the signatories of the contract, on our part, than they thought when they drew up the contract? Why they did not foresee such a development of events. How is the announcement of sanctions?

The contract was signed in 1997. Who then thought about sanctions? Then there was the “friend Bill”, who made fun of the “friend Boris”, who in a drunken stupor handed out the country to everyone in a row, to the right and to the left.

Looks like they only need a head for a meal.

Rather, alcohol !!!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Barzha

The contract was signed in 1997. Who then thought about sanctions? Then there was the “friend Bill”, who made fun of the “friend Boris”, who in a drunken stupor handed out the country to everyone in a row, to the right and to the left.

And this was also in the 97th year? -
In July, Energomash announced the conclusion of a new contract for the supply of six additional engines in 2020. Moreover, NASA has certified RD-180 for astronaut flights into space.

[Barzha]

In July, Energomash announced the conclusion of a new contract for the supply of six additional engines in 2020

Are you familiar with the terms of this agreement? The terms of the 1997 agreement can be found in the internet, but I haven't seen anything about the one you are talking about. The first contains penalties for disruption of delivery. There, fines and all kinds of restrictions, and "sanctions" are not included in the list of force majeure circumstances. But the imposition of sectoral sanctions not related to the space industry does not relieve Russia of its obligations to supply NASA engines.

[Proxima]

Quote: BlackMokona

And what is there to comment on? All launches will go from Atlases-5 to Falcons-9. ULA will cry and SpaceX dance with joy

RD-180 for Alon Mask, like a bone in the throat. I want to remind you that all lawsuits regarding the ban on the sale the aforementioned engines initiated by SpaceX For the "honestly competing entrepreneur" Mask, for the sake of achieving his goal - all means are good, including the American court.

[Blackmokona]

It was harder there.
The mask was not given access to the military order, he paid Makein to drive into the ULA, quickly banned the RD-180, and the guys went to the world. The mask was given access to military orders, and the RD-180 was again allowed
The RD-180 itself is not interesting to the mask, Atlas-5 is three times more expensive, with a lower payload than its Falcon-9

[Hole puncher]

Quote: BlackMokona

and SpaceX dance with joy

Musk Ryabukhin Tesla will give for this ...

[igorbrsv]

Ryabukhin I'm sure tesla disdain

[DED_peer_DED]

According to SpaceX, let the workload and reliability be lightly trained.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: BlackMokona

And what is there to comment on? All launches will go from Atlases-5 to Falcons-9. ULA will cry, and SpaceX will dance with joy

Musk will dance AFTER certification of his iron for flight crews.

[anjey]

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ??? Even with RD-180, we are all afraid of losing profits, why not give the Yankees a good bluff, like in poker ???

[notingem]

It remains only to find these leverage. You can forbid wearing jeans. And who wears fine

[anjey]

And it’s even better to close the entire McDonald's power system, no one will be very upset .... crush the competitor with domestic cafes and a bistro ..., of course, someone from our nouveau riche and bureaucrats will lose a lot ...

[milling machine]

Quote: anjey

And it’s even better to close the entire McDonald's power system, no one will be very upset .... crush the competitor with domestic cafes and a bistro ..., of course, someone from our nouveau riche and bureaucrats will lose a lot ...

Stop writing nonsense about McDonald's. Russian poppy. not owned by Americans - this is a franchise. Yes, and 80 products in Russian poppy.

[DenZ]

Quote: frezer

Russian poppy. not owned by Americans - this is a franchise.

And do Americans give us a franchise for nothing?

[YarSer88]

Concerning our general commodity circulation - mere pennies.

[den3080]

So give up the franchise and call Blindonalts. Or what about Luzhkov’s attempt to call it during the time of the former mayor of the capital of our country?
Better yet, give everything in the hands of the wife of an older brother N. Mikhalkov. She had a brilliant idea to create a network of Russian fast-food cafes “Eat at Home” or “Eat at Home” !!
All Russia grinned, I remember.
And the idea is simple, familiar, patriotic - to receive money for development from the state directly or from state banks, and there at least do not dawn, as they say.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: frezer

Stop writing nonsense about McDonald's. Russian poppy. not owned by Americans - this is a franchise. Yes, and 80 products in Russian poppy.

Excuse me, but what does this 20% consist of? Which is "impossible" to replace with Russian products?

[Setrac]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Excuse me, but what does this 20% consist of? Which is "impossible" to replace with Russian products?

The powder from which Coca-Cola is bodied.
I note that when they say about 20%, they consider it in dollars, because import is expensive. In pieces, the percentage is multiple less.

[I am Russian]

McDonald's in Russia works on a franchise. An entrepreneur from Russia pays $ 500 one-time, invests more money in premises, brand book repairs, equipment, staff training and works by transferring royalties. So, in fact, McDonald's in the Russian Federation belong to Russian entrepreneurs. There is nothing to confiscate.

[Vlad.by]

Sorry, but the ban on royalty payments, which is quite regular, by the way - is something akin to a sickle in one place for the same MD. A good piece, because of the loss of which the stink will be right up to the moon.
And such franchises in the Russian Federation are a dime a dozen. It is not necessary to close anything - let it work. But to prohibit paying royalties at the state level. Well, tighten product control. According to GOST. No TU.
Everyone will be fine. Well, except for the poppy's grandfather.
But let them deal with the blondies in the White House. We didn’t nationalize anything. They simply responded with sanctions for sanctions. By the way, we have reasons - a cart and a small cart. Booth, Yaroshenko, creaked, again! Russian poisoned in England! England must answer for poisoning!
Yes, they creaked there - they broke our aircraft carrier during the passage of the English Channel. They looked at him so closely that he began to smoke. Already for this vigorous bonboy could roll. But we are peaceful, so far only limited to sanctions.
For example, to ban all royalties and for the products of a dream factory. Hai our people watch them for free from the Americans. While the sanctions are in effect.
Well, etc. etc. ...

[DED_peer_DED]

Change one letter in the name ...
Maxdonalds, Mandonalds, Muskdonalds .....
"business is for a penny !!!" (c) It can't be.

[I am Russian]

Vlad.by (Vladimir) August 10, 2018 22:10 PM

the ban on royalties will break the whole business. Information, technological support will cease, there will be a problem with the trademark and other rights to the product. But it would be possible to introduce and tighten GOSTs ..

[Sarmat Sanych]

Not all Russian Macs are franchised. In 2014, on New Year's Eve, I talked with a person who at that time was the director of development for McDonald's in Russia, and so 4 years ago at least 50% of Makovs belonged directly to the parent company in the USA. Plus, they owned not only the restaurants themselves and other premises, but also their own food and agricultural enterprises. So I think there’s also an expropriation of things.

[siberalt]

And what leverage can a colony have? Let’s get away from colonial oppression - there will be real sanctions. Under our system, there is no way out of economic tsuzwang.

[anjey]

Do not go to extremes, especially since I mentioned bluffing, you have to play with the Yankees ... rather than give in ....

[cariperpaint]

And then))) why do people from this plant have a salary ?!))) the whole world is in ruin) we don’t have any levers for the State Department and there won’t be. For one simple reason, we have practically no economic ties with them. And we play in their casino. And casino players do not dictate the rules. I once read a fantastic book. There is a planet on which there are only two continents and is very far from each other. All of their own, people live, develop. And still, at some point, a war broke out between them. For one simple reason, some wanted to subjugate others. They just wanted it like that)

[Sarmat Sanych]

Hah, of course of course. What is it worth for the American bourgeoisie to FOLLOW A BILLION BACKS, after all, with us, people will be left without work and this calms them)). What does it cost for Omerigi to leave ALL of its nuclear power plants without our uranium and they will have an energy collapse apocalypse, think, but the striped-eared atat will do us - they will freeze the remaining 14 of our billiards in the Fed)). But they themselves from the energy collapse under TRILLION risk losing.
PS As you do not understand, comrades, when it comes to a fight - you can’t be a coward, and it’s better to beat for sure, at least to show determination that we’ll hurt so that we lose our spine.

[DED_peer_DED]

The President of his choice -

[Svetlana]

Quote: anjey

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ???

The best lever of influence on the State Department is to create your own super-heavy launch vehicle with a returnable 1st stage.
The return stage of a superheavy rocket can be made in the form of a segment of a spherical shell with a segment height of 0,1 ... 0,3 from the segment radius of 50..100 m. Toroidal fuel tanks of fuel and oxidizer are installed along the perimeter of the segment. The tori of the tanks are recruited from the same type of elements - segments of the tori, fastened together by welding or bolts. The oxidizer tank torus is positioned outside the fuel tank torus. A radial arrangement around the perimeter of the shell segment of cylindrical tanks of hydrogen (methane) and oxygen is also possible. In this case, up to 128 tanks are attached along the perimeter of the shell, fastened together by fastening nodes located on the side surfaces of the tanks.
Up to 3 pieces of radial short blades (6..2 m long, 3..64 m wide each) are installed on the perimeter of the shell.
Air-jet or rocket engines are also installed tangentially on the perimeter of the shell for tangential unwinding of the shell.
Up to 64 pieces of rocket engines are installed in the bottom under the perimeter of the shell to create an air cushion.
On the axis of the shell in an annular thrust bearing, a second stage of a superheavy rocket with a rocket engine RD-0120 is installed.
The assembly of the shell begins with installation around the axis of the shell of openwork scaffolding in the form of a tower in the form of a one-sheeted hyperboloid of revolution from quick-detachable metal pipes.
At the top of the tower, an annular bearing and a 2nd stage are installed on it.
Around the tower (forests) collect power torus - the perimeter of the shell.
The blades, fuel tanks, oxidizer, rocket engines are attached to the power torus.
From the top of the tower (forests) to the perimeter of the shell stretch the shell sector of thin-sheet Kevlar or metal membranes.
Connect (weld) the membrane sectors of the membrane to each other in a single spherical segment.
The spherical shell segment is inflated by blowers from the inside, so that the shell takes the form of a spherical segment.
From the inside, a layer of heat-protective spray coating is applied to the shell using a machine with a telescopic rod.
The launch of a superheavy rocket is as follows. Tanks are filled with fuel, oxidizing agent. They include rocket engines to create an air cushion under the shell. The second stage ring bearing is disconnected from the scaffolds.
Peripheral tangential jet engines are included to spin the shell about a vertical axis. Due to the vertical traction from the peripheral blades, the shell takes off.
At altitudes of more than 20 km, vertical thrust is created by the operation of rocket engines located on the perimeter of the shell, as well as by rocket engines of the second stage located on the axis of the shell.
At an altitude of more than 30 km, the second stage is separated from the first. The first stage - a segment of a spherical shell with an annular hole on the axis, land on its rocket engines in a helicopter.
The second stage - on its rocket engines - is sent into space. The drawing could not be attached.

[igorbrsv]

You’ve painted a pie recipe. Hop and rocket ready. I'm not out of spite. Comment is too long, do not remember

[Svetlana]

Quote: igorbrsv

Hop and rocket ready

A two-stage super-heavy rocket in the form of a flying saucer with a return first stage for flights to the moon:

[Svetlana]

With a magnetic field of 2 KiloGauss (from an HTSC solenoid in a hydrogen tank), a radius of the shell perimeter of 20 meters, and additional (optional) heating by microwave radiation from the ground, a magnetic nozzle will create an additional thrust of 2000 ton-forces.
Characteristics of the RD-2 rocket engine used at the 0120nd stage:
thrust near the ground - 146 tf;
thrust in the void - 190 tf;
see https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/РД-0120

[igorbrsv]

Unfortunately, a suitable microwave device has not yet been created. There are a lot of nonsense on the wiki. Americans tested microwave devices as weapons; no one survived. Of course, I cannot exclude the option that you are specifically engaged in similar projects, but so far I am inclined not to believe

[Svetlana]

Quote: igorbrsv

suitable microwave construction

A suitable similar microwave device has been created. This is a microwave headlamp type Voronezh.
Similar devices are drawn from onotypic elements - satellite dishes, microwave ovens, to which the regulators of the phase of microwave radiation of magnetrons are added. Let us estimate the cost of a phased array with a continuous power of 1 GW at a wavelength of 3..10 cm. You need 1 mln microwave ovens at a cost of 10000 r / pcs, 1 mln satellite dishes at a cost of 2000 r / pc, distribute them evenly over an area of ​​1 km2, and bring power supply. The total cost of approximately 20 billion rubles. Which is significantly less than the cost of the launch pad for the Angara rocket5.

[DED_peer_DED]

Yes, here they are - the consequences of the Amer microwave gun.
Admire -

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: igorbrsv

You’ve painted a pie recipe. Hop and rocket ready. I'm not out of spite. Comment is too long, do not remember

The post was placed not for memorization, but for understanding. How robust this design is for us, not specialists, to not understand. But, the idea of ​​Lavrenev (or Lavrentiev, I don’t remember exactly), an unknown conscript conscript from Sakhalin, made it possible for Sakharov to invent a hydrogen bomb.
So, the author of this design has success in turning it into metal.

[Filxnumx]

Too complex construction to be viable: blades for creating aerodynamic lifting force, thrust bearings for joining the second stage, torus tanks in the first stage. Have you specifically used the most irrationally weighted designs in your project? The perfection coefficient is estimated at least first.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Fil743

used the most irrationally weighted designs

What constructions do you think would be more rational in terms of weight?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Svetlana

Quote: anjey

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ???

The best lever of influence on the State Department is to create your own super-heavy launch vehicle with a returnable 1st stage.
The return stage of a superheavy rocket can be made in the form of a segment of a spherical shell with a segment height of 0,1 ... 0,3 from the segment radius of 50..100 m. Toroidal fuel tanks of fuel and oxidizer are installed along the perimeter of the segment. The tori of the tanks are recruited from the same type of elements - segments of the tori, fastened together by welding or bolts. The oxidizer tank torus is positioned outside the fuel tank torus. A radial arrangement around the perimeter of the shell segment of cylindrical tanks of hydrogen (methane) and oxygen is also possible. In this case, up to 128 tanks are attached along the perimeter of the shell, fastened together by fastening nodes located on the side surfaces of the tanks.
Up to 3 pieces of radial short blades (6..2 m long, 3..64 m wide each) are installed on the perimeter of the shell.
Air-jet or rocket engines are also installed tangentially on the perimeter of the shell for tangential unwinding of the shell.
Up to 64 pieces of rocket engines are installed in the bottom under the perimeter of the shell to create an air cushion.
On the axis of the shell in an annular thrust bearing, a second stage of a superheavy rocket with a rocket engine RD-0120 is installed.
The assembly of the shell begins with installation around the axis of the shell of openwork scaffolding in the form of a tower in the form of a one-sheeted hyperboloid of revolution from quick-detachable metal pipes.
At the top of the tower, an annular bearing and a 2nd stage are installed on it.
Around the tower (forests) collect power torus - the perimeter of the shell.
The blades, fuel tanks, oxidizer, rocket engines are attached to the power torus.
From the top of the tower (forests) to the perimeter of the shell stretch the shell sector of thin-sheet Kevlar or metal membranes.
Connect (weld) the membrane sectors of the membrane to each other in a single spherical segment.
The spherical shell segment is inflated by blowers from the inside, so that the shell takes the form of a spherical segment.
From the inside, a layer of heat-protective spray coating is applied to the shell using a machine with a telescopic rod.
The launch of a superheavy rocket is as follows. Tanks are filled with fuel, oxidizing agent. They include rocket engines to create an air cushion under the shell. The second stage ring bearing is disconnected from the scaffolds.
Peripheral tangential jet engines are included to spin the shell about a vertical axis. Due to the vertical traction from the peripheral blades, the shell takes off.
At altitudes of more than 20 km, vertical thrust is created by the operation of rocket engines located on the perimeter of the shell, as well as by rocket engines of the second stage located on the axis of the shell.
At an altitude of more than 30 km, the second stage is separated from the first. The first stage - a segment of a spherical shell with an annular hole on the axis, land on its rocket engines in a helicopter.
The second stage - on its rocket engines - is sent into space. The drawing could not be attached.

Drag into the jeep (if export is not possible, through the screenshot of the page, drag it into Radical (cloud file sharing), and from there you can link here.

[97110]

Quote: anjey

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ??? Even with RD-180, we are all afraid of losing profits, why not give the Yankees a good bluff, like in poker ???

Too shy to ask who yours are? If “yours” are all afraid of losing profits, then “ours” is time to accustom “yours” to be afraid of a strike and to take this opportunity into account first of all.

[anjey]

then it is time for “ours” to teach “yours” to be afraid of a strike and take this opportunity into account first of all.

Yes, it’s the right time for class graters when you have the strongest external impact on the country; today, domestic fire is in the hands of enemies ...

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: anjey

Yes, it’s the right time for class graters when you have the strongest external impact on the country; today, domestic fire is in the hands of enemies ...

Yeah, and under the guise of the "top" tighten the screws to the maximum, because "pressure on the country, to rebel low!", And more money is needed ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: anjey

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ???

Let the Ministry of Foreign Affairs seek and test leverage, they studied for it, and Ryabukhi S.N. let the regions develop

Quote: anjey

Even with the help of RD -180, we are all afraid of losing profits, why not give the Yankees a good bluff, like in poker ???

And who compensates people for the loss? Maybe you?
With the help of RD-180, it does not affect the State Department, for the failure of the contract there is a large fine and in case of non-payment from the United States there is an additional reason to arrest something. The trade war with the United States is a tricky thing, the Americans ate the dog on trade and Russia has very little experience.
The RD-180 engine is the property of Pratt & Whitney, only developed and produced in Russia with American money, if Russia needs the RD-180 it will buy it from Pratt & Whitne.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Let the Ministry of Foreign Affairs seek and test leverage, they studied for it, and Ryabukhi S.N. let the regions develop

We know what our Foreign Ministry is capable of. Once again, he expresses his concern.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The RD-180 engine is the property of Pratt & Whitney, only developed and produced in Russia with American money, if Russia needs the RD-180 it will buy it from Pratt & Whitne.

Actually, P & W is a JOINT manufacturer, Energomash DID NOT LOSE the rights to the engine. So yours is not true.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: anjey

Should ours test our leverage over the State Department ???

Let the Ministry of Foreign Affairs seek and test leverage, they studied for it, and Ryabukhi S.N. let the regions develop

Quote: anjey

Even with the help of RD -180, we are all afraid of losing profits, why not give the Yankees a good bluff, like in poker ???

And who compensates people for the loss? Maybe you?
With the help of RD-180, it does not affect the State Department, for the failure of the contract there is a large fine and in case of non-payment from the United States there is an additional reason to arrest something. The trade war with the United States is a tricky thing, the Americans ate the dog on trade and Russia has very little experience.
The RD-180 engine is the property of Pratt & Whitney, only developed and produced in Russia with American money, if Russia needs the RD-180 it will buy it from Pratt & Whitne.

The states have a law preventing the acquisition of strategic materials overseas. The joint office was created to formally circumvent this law. So, the engines are made according to Russian drawings, at a Russian enterprise, from Russian materials and using Russian equipment. A one-day office with two desks and a resounding reputation for "producing" space glands - that's what it is - a "manufacturer" of an American order.

[Mar.Tirah]

All agreements have long been trampled down by the State Department and the U.S. Congress.What agreements has NASA been talking about? Anyway, Russia will not give up on its own, no matter how they rage in America.

[bessmertniy]

We did not begin to introduce the first sanctions. And everything that came under sanctions was also sealed earlier by treaties and obligations. And these obligations are today trampled by sanctioners. In such a situation, the answer should be proportionate. And the refusal to supply RD-180, of course, fits into the logic of curtailing economic relations between our countries.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bessmertniy

In such a situation, the answer should be proportionate. And the refusal to supply RD-180, of course, fits into the logic of curtailing economic relations between our countries.

No, the answer should be greater than the mattresses suggest. It must be made clear that we are determined to continue to bend our own interests and we will not give up one iota with our interests.
Yes, we cannot strike at the US state, in view of their economic power, but we can and must strike at their private companies.

[rotmistr60]

in the American space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations

Purely American - we wet you as we want, and you simply have to fulfill contractual obligations. But what about European companies that have contracts with Russia in various industries (including the construction of SP-2) that the United States threatens to cut off oxygen for working with us?

[Loess]

NASA refused to answer questions about the possible consequences if the Russian side restricts the supply of RD-180 rocket engines in response to new sanctions

This is so as not to provoke a rise in prices for trampolines ...

[parusnik]

Instead, the US space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations.

... And NASA is right. Surely, the contract also imposed penalties in case of termination .. Let them fly into space on a trampoline .. pure populism .. They impose sanctions thoughtfully .. Not from a bay-flop ... But all Russian departments reported to the President on import substitution ...

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

But the apple did not forbid the supply, but he raised the price to heaven! For example, 1 billion S per engine!

[Blackmokona]

Do you think the exact price of the engine is not indicated in the contract?

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

I think of course it is indicated, but there should also be written the possible options for changing the price, if they are not there, then this is of course a big omission of those who drew up the contract .. There are also all kinds of force majeure circumstances that do not fall under any contract at all .. I am a lawyer I don’t think, but I think in any contract you can find some kind of loophole for changing the terms of the contract. As our identities constantly increase the cost of delivering Astronafts to the ISS, there I think there is a contract too .. Why can this not be done with the engines ?!

[YarSer88]

Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN

I think of course it is indicated, but there should also be written the possible options for changing the price, if they are not there, then this is of course a big omission of those who made the contract ..

The contract is drawn up in agreement with the other party. Given that it was concluded in the late 90s, and then rolled over under the same conditions, then we could hardly dictate terms, for us it was an achievement to sell anything in the USA. And making changes to the current contract is extremely difficult, we need reinforced concrete arguments.

[Blackmokona]

The contract was signed in 90 years, I’m sure that there you can only lower the price and lick the legs of the Americans

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

Well, so be it, but should he have some term ?. And then Russia did not sign in the end, but people, they can and should be declared traitors and canceled any contracts signed by them! I don’t want to argue, I just want more decisive action! And not just an expression of concern! Straight word is not beautiful suggests itself with this concern)))

[Blackmokona]

Well, so you have come to the end of the contract. Paying fines (International courts will not give a damn about our arguments, for them it’s just a contract break), and the US is just building more Delt-4 and Falcon-9 to replace Atlas-5

[Setrac]

Quote: BlackMokona

International courts will not care about our arguments

What kind of beast is so mythical? "International Court" - it does not exist in nature!

[bessmertniy]

For the price it is right. Firstly, we agreed before default, and indexation should be carried out, at least by an order of magnitude. And, secondly, our economy is such a market or something, which we introduced from there.

[Graz]

yes a ground nuclear test must be carried out near them the best way to show the depth of our intentions

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Have you seen who we have in power? There is no nuclear test, there the handkerchief of the snot needs to be wiped.

[Graz]

in general, you have to unleash with the Yankees in the space program and go your own way

[YarSer88]

dumb space to pull pennies, and here Ukraine will not help now, in general, without the USA there would be no ISS.

[igorbrsv]

The ISS will cease to exist in 2024. All segments will be flooded, except for five segments of the Russian Federation, which are completely autonomous. They will be undocked. The plans add another module.

[YarSer88]

Maintaining is easier than creating and putting into orbit. Without cooperation, we would hardly have pulled such a station.

[Graz]

I read somewhere that a joint project with China in the field of a space station is being worked out

[askort154]

Now refuse to supply engines, it makes no sense. Shot yourself in the foot. Americans inflate out of molehills - Russia is not only an aggressor, but also an unreliable business partner. They will file a lawsuit in the WTO and arbitration, they will surely “win”. We will pay the penalty. equal profit. But, to refuse to supply titanium and products from it, this awakens a worthy answer. But for this, our government has long had to find a market for titanium in other regions, in return for Boeing. Stop supplying liquefied natural gas to the eastern United States.

[YarSer88]

And to whom will we sell titanium products then? This is also a shot in the foot. Will Boeing be able to find other suppliers for itself, and RusAl will be able to find other sales?

[Vlad.by]

Boeing can ...
Why haven’t I found yet? Or didn’t he start doing it?
It turns out there is no technology. China has a different quality. Let them take Chinese, but I’ll beware of flying on Boeing. And the price in China, if not strange, is higher.
Leverage - the sea! For any failure of the contract there is a clause on Force Majeure. It is in ANY contract and there, in addition to floods, fires and earthquakes, a separate clause prescribes a clause on decisions of the government of the signatory countries. The government decided to ban - that's it! You won’t take any fines! Though appeal to the Lord himself. The British and the Dutch invented this system and the whole world trades on this system.
Russia is big, huge. On its territory there are a lot of American enterprises! And businesses that pay sea royalties! The same KFC, Starbaxes, McDonald's of all sorts, cinemas, music stores, radio stations, etc., etc. Thousands of aircraft fly to Russia through China, Korea, Vietnam, etc.
You can certainly fly around, but it costs a lot of decent money, but what is Trump fighting for? For the loot! That is the main goal. Therefore, any infringement of interests that leads to the loss of dough is a vice in which eggs are stuck.
And such a vice - a huge amount! It’s not even necessary to nationalize anything. Let the owner remain American. But to withdraw their profits - neither. But pay taxes please be kind! I would also raise them with a special decree. Well, like the Germans got sanctions for working with SP-2, we can easily declare sanction taxes on any American property in Russia. Even on a flying plane.
And to other airlines where there is no American share to give preferences. To drive the Americans out of the market. Or even just a dermets in a barrel of honey to splash.
We don’t care - it won’t be any worse. And so everyone forbids. Well, let them eat these cabbage soup themselves.

[DED_peer_DED]

Introduce at the legislative level (as a response to MANY and long-term sanctions) a moratorium on all inquiries and litigations by "international courts" on the territory of Russia and all of its economic and territorial entities.
Sanctions, so are sanctions

Eugene Onegin
...
As the state grows rich,
And what lives, and why
He does not need gold,
When a simple product has.
...

Author: A. S. Pushkin

[smart ass]

Levers of influence))))) hahaha oil will be forbidden to us to trade like Iran and then we will understand what is the lever of influence

[askort154]

Smart ass....ahaha here we will be banned from trading oil as Iran and then we will understand what is the lever of influence

How do you imagine that ? Russia is not Iran. And what will happen to Europe if we are “banned” from supplying them oil and gas? You already give an example of what will happen to us if the United States imposes sanctions on Russia in the consumption of oxygen from the atmosphere.

[bessmertniy]

When the Union raised its economy after the Civil War, our oil export was absolutely nothing to do with.

[Sarmat Sanych]

Nobody will forbid oil and gas theoretically, Gazprom occupies 70% of gas imports in the EU market and 40% of the EU market in general (i.e. including its own production). The situation is similar for oil, plus more than a quarter of the world's fuel elements are made and sold by Rosatom, and enriched urals for alternative MOX fuel plants are produced on the planet by Rosatom ONLY. Without us, there will be an energy apocalypse in Europe, and an atomic one on the whole Earth. So that the leverage we have is higher than the roof, the main thing is that our low-power authorities have enough to use them. Well, there is no question of banning the export of Russian oil and gas, they are not suicides, it is easier to ban the Sun.

[sir_obs]

There is only one lever; it is in the hands of the military. Only everyone is sick of recalling it. Segolnaya Medvedev said that we had declared an economic war, but we had to finally admit that the states had simply declared war and respond from these realities. If. X scare, then scare for real and what they really fear, and all live mirror measures, it’s up to the lantern.
As long as the Americans do not get in the face, they will build up pressure and in the end we will be in the nineties again and this time they will not miss their own.

[igorbrsv]

Well, for example, stop delivering American astronauts. We are really accused of discrimination. Only blacks can be banned from delivering. Everything is the same, only the United States will have to explain to its people why they themselves do not fly into space. I'm sure for many Americans this information will be a shock

[Blackmokona]

Dragon-2 is fully prepared and tested with the designated crew waiting at the spaceport. Waiting only for the go-ahead of NASA, that the Falcon-9 fits into the safety requirements. Therefore, it’s too late at all.
The shuttle flew with people the first time, so NASA will have no problem canceling an unmanned flight

[igorbrsv]

It is precisely the reliability of our Unions for the delivery of astronauts. It’s very scary, for example, to ride on the Oka on the highway, but on a tank it’s not so scary.

[Blackmokona]

Safety requirements for Dragon-2 exceed the level achieved for the Union several times.
The Union has 2 accidents for 130 launches
For NASA Dragon-2, reliability of not more than 1 accident per 270 launches is required.

[slipped]

Firstly, the Union, the ship, had more accidents, but on the whole they all occurred in the last century and in previous modifications, and yes - it already had many, many launches ... Secondly, Dragon-2 simply did not have launches, in general, to talk about its reliability. All statements on this matter - the usual blah blah blah. The same "Apollo" and "Shuttle" tore the non-staff several times.

[igorbrsv]

But is there any information whether the dragon reached at least the level of the Security Alliance, not to mention the number of flights. To the level of the Union, at least 130 or 120 launches for the initial assessment remain. How many launches per year can the United States carry out and how many years are needed. They won’t start flying yet

[ROBIN-SON]

"War is the continuation of politics by other means." Clausewitz K. In my opinion, we are going to this.

[USSR-1]

Fine ... Anything except Americans are required to perform? So you just need to declare sanctions, as they do themselves, and, accordingly, no complaints

[JonnyT]

No more than speculation on the topic of "response to sanctions" any sane person understands that failure to fulfill obligations under a signed agreement is harm. But prices, taking into account changing economic conditions, can be recounted, and only for monopoly products, and then after a careful miscalculation of the market - to hang costs on expensive "partners"
Hurray, patriots, as well as woe to the elect, offer to shoot yourself in the foot, the response to sanctions will really turn out painful. but not the USA, but the Russian Federation

[rocket757]

Refusing to export will not help us in any way, at least not yet. Before doing stupid things, you need to think about who will pay for all this.
Raise the price of the product, this is logical.

[romb]

Along the way, Russia alone will not withstand the blow of the United States. Their economic categories are too different. The USA is really the number one predator. A kind of alpha male of the planet earth. From which it follows that it remains only to try to cooperate with other world players. For example, if possible, with the same China. And then, on very separate issues. In any case, the Russian leadership must honestly admit that the time to pull your neck from strangulation is coming to an end. Here you need to stop playing by the imposed rules or dutifully wait for the fate of further strangulation. Other options are unlikely.

[rocket757]

But Russia is not alone, i.e. not one .... our people will be able to withstand everything, the ruling elite and their masters fat belts, they can lose as long as they can compensate for losses due to internal reserves!
Well, how are the domestic reserves ready for the next act of robbery? Endure?

[romb]

If so, then fine. Although, to be honest, people are the same everywhere. Everyone wants to eat and live in abundance, regardless of citizenship, nationality, race, mentality of society. And if they are deprived of this for too long, then events can dramatically spiral out of control. So, here is quite rightly traced an analogy with the proverb: "water wears away a stone." It is clear that this will be the main calculation.

[rocket757]

"Our" domineering and fat pussies, too many of them, are so stupid / stupid they are no longer afraid of anything here in the country .... a disastrous sign! For all of us.
Even if national anger sweeps these away, then what? There is no Danko or Moses before us, but the Susanin type (no offense to the hero is said) is full!

[BAI]

Do not forget - Ukrainian components are provided for these engines (see the date of signing the contract).

[HMR333]

space toilets will stop selling here will be fun from the American astronauts)))

[Blackmokona]

They will be removed from the shuttles, they had their own, albeit not very

[slipped]

Are these the ones that have been doused with astronauts? Duc will put them nowhere if the "Star" is disconnected

[DED_peer_DED]

Tops from the roots, separate ....

[Anchonsha]

We just need to look ahead to our analysts and manufacturers, taking into account the need to develop our space industry. Perhaps it is necessary to strike at the exclusive transatlantic scum, but before that, load our space industry with other orders aimed at modernizing our space industry of the future. Naturally, now the refusal to supply our engines to the Americans will hit enterprises with unemployment. You need to be smart and far-sighted with state benefits, and not satisfy the interests of only our entrepreneurs

[Blackmokona]

Download is good, but there is no money. And they all know where they go.

[Vadim237]

And where does this money go - only in more detail?

[Prutkov]

Quote: dorz

Quote: Vard

Well, it’s possible in another way ... To create an offshore zone in the Crimea where patent law does not apply ... Anyway, it was not recognized as a subject of the Russian Federation ...

A few days ago, a decree was signed on the formation of two offshore companies (in the Far East and Kaliningrad) to re-register Russian companies that have fallen under sanctions and reduce the tax burden for future investors.

It is proposed to create not financial, but intellectual offshore, where American programs and films will be copied. And they can’t do anything, because it will be necessary to recognize the Russian Crimea in court.

[Vladimir Sukhoi]

Diligently and incessantly bombing the damned Voronezh for evil pin_dosam - you can’t imagine a better answer!
Glory to the Commander!

[Hole puncher]

It may sound strange to me, but Russia is simply obliged to freeze the contract for the supply of RD-180 for ULA. The fact is that with the help of our RDs they launch military satellites into space, that is, we create problems for ourselves.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Puncher

with the help of our taxiways they launch military satellites into space, i.e. we create problems for ourselves

Operation Y"....
"Not for us, but for you ...."

[boris]

No need to worry so much for the execution of contracts for the RD-180. Any contract (agreement) can be changed by one party, if the other party repairs
obstacles to its implementation. With their sanctions, the Americans
they do it.

[edge]

Quote: Smoked

Yeah, everything is very simple. Plus, our industry, i.e. workers in the long run, will not receive a salary.

yes, there will be an incentive to work out new projects ....

[nickgv]

And there is nothing to prohibit (limit) anything - you just need to increase tariffs (duties) to offset costs.

[Old26]

Quote: sgazeev

The journalist with the trampoline will be fired, it doesn’t matter. But the price must be revised upwards, it is necessary.

So for already signed contracts this will not work. And whether they will buy engines in 2021 while no one is yawning. They now have a stock of engines of at least 20-30. Given 5 launches (on average) Atlases per year, enough for 4-6 years. Plus the supply of 11 more engines in 2018, EMNIP 8 engines in 2019 and 6 in 2020 - they can safely not purchase engines under additional contracts for 2021 and beyond

Quote: hert

there is an option to cut a bitch for them .... the number of launches in the interests of the Pentagon will be reduced, satellite groups will be difficult to maintain, part of the space programs will be curtailed, we can only do it (it’s annoying that we will make money for the Chinese and European people)

We won't cut anything for them. There is a stock of engines, and the Atlases do not fly as often as the same Falcons

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Also, Russia could completely PARALIZE the nuclear energy of America, and indeed the whole world. Rosatom is the only company on the planet that has a cost-effective uranium enrichment technology.

Russia does possess the most advanced uranium enrichment technologies, but it cannot paralyze US nuclear energy in any situation. In total, we enrich uranium (in thousands of SWU per year) in 2015, approximately 26578-30000. URENCO Anglo-German-Galandian Consortium plus AREVA 27600-28600 French Firam.
In 2020, these values ​​will be 28663-30000-35000, respectively. The two western firms mentioned above are 30400-34900. As you can see, we are equal. Therefore, we can’t paralyze anything, because the United States buys energy uranium from these two firms. And in total (taking into account all sorts of small ones), in 2015 Russia accounted for 47% of the world's enriched uranium, in 2020 this value will decrease to 45,2%

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

All world MOX fuel producers, including Westinghouse, depend on it, we can stupidly arrange a collapse in the States by shutting down all their nuclear power plants.

That's just MOX fuel consumes a scanty number of reactors around the world. These are fast neutron reactors. And there are not many of them. Of the 101 nuclear power units in the United States, there are very few or almost no such reactors ... Therefore, we will not disconnect anything from them. Do not flatter yourself with hopes

Quote: Vlad.by

Boeing can ...
Why haven’t I found yet? Or didn’t he start doing it?

But because we offered a better price than the Chinese. We will leave the market. The Chinese will only say thank you to us. But alas, it may not work out ...

Quote: igorbrsv

Well, for example, stop delivering American astronauts. We are really accused of discrimination. Only blacks can be banned from delivering. Everything is the same, only the United States will have to explain to its people why they themselves do not fly into space. I'm sure for many Americans this information will be a shock

Easily. The only thing is that they pay in advance. Therefore, somewhere until 2019-2020 they paid. We received money from them. Who will return the penalty? Whoever suggested not to take them to the station, let them use a trampoline? I doubt very much that Rogozin will have a couple of hundred million dollars to return at least the amount they transferred to us. And the penalty - I’m not talking about it at all ....

Quote: borys

No need to worry so much for the execution of contracts for the RD-180. Any contract (agreement) can be changed by one party, if the other party repairs
obstacles to its implementation. With their sanctions, the Americans are doing just that.

Can I find out how they do it? Sanctions on engines do not apply. Moreover, they already paid money for engines until 2020.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Old26

nor pay in advance. Therefore, somewhere until 2019-2020 they paid. We received money from them. Who will return the penalty?

Currently, Roscosmos is delivering American astronauts to the ISS on account of RKK Energia's debt to Boeing in the amount of about $ 200 million. The debt arose after the decision of the Sea Start bankruptcy court. There is no real money to pay the debt ....

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Town Hall

Roscosmos delivers American astronauts to the ISS against RKK Energia's debt to Boeing in the amount of about $ 200 million ...

... resulting from the acquisition of the Sea Launch, no? If you already write that, try to utter the phrase to the end
Under the spoiler - quite sensible, IMHO, an article about "debts, Sea Launch and space cabs (GYYY)". I recommend reading to everyone who is interested in the topic.

 Roscosmos marine mnoghodovochka

https://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/111553.html

[Town Hall]

You are not really in the subject, apparently. The Energy Debt to Boeing arose in 2009 after the announcement of the bankruptcy of the Sea Launch.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Town Hall

Energy debt to Boeing arose in 2009 after the announcement of the bankruptcy of Sea Launch

Distort again.
Yes, the Americans wanted to declare the Sea Launch bankrupt. As a result, Energy ... took it for itself, "hanging" a debt to Boeing. What happened in the end? Yes, that's what (from the article linked above):

So: Boeing forgives debts for Sea Launch of “Energy”, “Energy” carries astronauts in liberated “Unions” under Boeing contracts to NASA, NASA pretends that it is no longer dependent on Roskosmos and conducts business with its private owner Boeing, who regularly fulfills the conditions state contract. “Energy” is engaged in “Sunkar”. While there are no missiles, Vladislav Filev rolls around the Pacific Ocean on his own floating spaceport without debts and without $ 160 million paid to Roscosmos. Roscosmos reports on a successful deal, forgotten debts, international cooperation, public-private partnerships and the emergence of a large Russian private space company S7. Profit !!!

That something like this.

Quote: Town Hall

You are not very in the subject apparently

Where am I from? After all, this is with you, and not with me, at the entrance of Enegria, five minutes walk from the house. And this is for you, and not for me, friends who are still working there, who in 1985 came there as engineers, after high schools. And it’s you, not me, who in the same way came to work in TsNIIMASH in 1985, and worked there for ten years

[Town Hall]

Curb your illiterate aplomb .... reading the scribbles of one "patriotic" blogger does not make you an expert on the topic ... about the rest of your "labor exploits" - I will modestly keep silent ...

Enlighten ....


On June 22, 2009, the company declared bankruptcy and financial reorganization under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code.

RSC Energia's debt to Boeing arose after their joint venture Sea Launch filed for bankruptcy in June 2009 (in the form of an application for protection from creditors). Then Boeing paid $ 448 million to Sea Launch's creditors on behalf of all the co-owners of this enterprise, including the Norwegian company Aker ASA, Ukrainian PA Makarov Yuzhny Machine-Building Plant and Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. Aker compensated the American concern for its share of the Sea Launch debt, while RSC Energia, Yuzhmashzavod and Yuzhnoye design bureau refused to pay.

Unable to reach an understanding with former Russian and Ukrainian partners, Boeing demanded that they recover their debts for Sea Launch through a court of law: in February 2013, he filed a lawsuit with the Federal District Court of the Central District of California (Los Angeles).

On May 12, 2016, the court ruled Boeing was right and demanded from RSC Energia, Yuzhmashzavod and Yuzhnoye KB to reimburse the American party for its obligations under Sea Launch loans in the total amount of $ 356 million plus legal costs.

In the fall of 2016, rumors appeared that Boeing and RSC Energia were agreeing on joint work that would allow the Russian corporation to close the financial obligations imposed by the court.

In November 2016, RSC Energia CEO Vladimir Solntsev confirmed to the Izvestia newspaper the validity of these rumors: “We are not just forming a document that describes the end of the trial, but we are drawing up a program of long-term cooperation on a wide range of issues: we are working on cooperation projects on low earth orbit, the creation of lunar infrastructure and deep space exploration. In particular, we are talking about the creation of compatible nodes and blocks that will allow our space technology to interact with Boeing spacecraft. The docking node we have developed can be used to create an international near-lunar orbital station. "

However, in reality, the Russian side was able to agree on a much more prosaic way of covering judicial obligations to Boeing.

Boeing and Energia reached this agreement in the form of an amicable agreement back in February 2017, and Boeing, without waiting for its approval by the court, entered into an agreement with NASA.


On February 21, 2017, NASA announced the signing of a contract with Boeing for five additional launches of astronauts on Soyuz rockets: the first launch is scheduled for autumn 2017, the second for the spring of 2018, and three more launches in 2019. the right to claim in the form of an option valid until autumn 2017


The total amount of the contract between NASA and Boeing is $ 373,5 million - thus, each seat in the Soyuz rocket is worth $ 74,7 million. Even if Boeing transfers these seats to NASA at no extra charge, it turns out that RSC Energia gave them to the American concern at a significant discount: according to the current agreement between Roscosmos and NASA, Russia sold six seats for American cosmonauts in Soyuz rockets for 2018 at $ 81,7 million per seat.

[Golovan Jack]

Ufff. How many letters
You wrote the same thing as me, in general ... Just forgot to mention that in the end the Sea Launch belongs to the Russian S7 ... well, and a couple more points. Yes, they began to be rude, out of habit:

Quote: Town Hall

Curb your illiterate aplomb .... reading the scribbles of one "patriotic" blogger does not make you an expert on the topic ... about the rest of your "labor exploits" - I will modestly keep silent ...

So keep silent ... modestly ... lyalyabol
PS: Oh, the comment appeared immediately, not in an hour. Programmers - Bravo!

[Town Hall]

Quote: Golovan Jack

They just forgot to mention that in the end the Sea Launch belongs to the Russian S7 ...

Well, of course, it belongs to a Russian company ... no other company in its right mind will undertake a failed project without carrier rockets, without orders and prospects ... only the Russian one is especially close to the state feeder ... after the state has paid in advance 300 + million dollars of debt will give this disastrous masterpiece and I suspect it will also subsidize this "private" scrap metal from the state pocket ..


The newly-minted Russian Mask, by the way, after a gift was received quickly and first thing, he quickly crossed the platform in Liberia ... according to the documents ... but physically continues to rust in California ... taxes are also paid there ... business in Russian

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Town Hall

Town Hall

Sha ... worry in silence.

I don’t feed anymore, call

[Town Hall]

Drain counted

[CAT BAIYUN]

in the American space agency indicated the need to fulfill contractual obligations

Here’s where the mysterious comrades are ... How sanctions can be imposed this way and it is necessary, but as some kind of response threatens, so immediately the need rises to cover up with papers.
I'm just wondering: will Russia at least somehow respond to this mess? How much can you already be scared of statements about the need to keep promises and wasted threats?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: KOT BYUN

I'm just wondering: will Russia at least somehow respond to this mess? How much can you already be scared of statements about the need to keep promises and wasted threats?

And where did you get the idea that "they just get scared ..."?

Diplomacy and politics in general is a very non-public thing, and everything that happens in real life will not be described to you in the press. Never. With all your desire.

As for the contract and other things - a little higher, the comrade answered very correctly Old26. Read, recommend.

[NordUral]

Comments are possible only obscene, which is unacceptable for ethical reasons. Well, the "competent" we have "our" government, lawyers are bad! They are ready to sell everything, from Soviet engines to the Motherland, but they simply cannot draw up an agreement, or maybe they do it so that the country is at a loss, and they, in any situation with "partners", with profits.

[933454818]

In general, I like the Western approach to business. When the West imposes sanctions for no reason, raises duties on entire groups of goods, for some reason Russia does not complain to the WTO and does not shake its supply contracts, it understands that it’s useless. But if they get hurt. Western interests immediately and appeal to the law, contract, WTO, etc. Those. for the West, the law is not written, as for Russia, as it were?

[Town Hall]

Quote: 933454818

When the West imposes sanctions for no reason, raises duties on entire groups of goods, for some reason Russia does not complain to the WTO and does not shake its contracts

INDUSTRY 19.04.201822/37/XNUMX: XNUMX

Source: Igor Zarembo / RIA Novosti


Russia appeals to the WTO because of US duties on steel and aluminum


Russia requested WTO advice on US-imposed duties on steel and aluminum, insisting that they are subject to World Organization safeguards.

[Mr.Fischer]

Russia will not stop deliveries of RD-180 for NASA. On the one hand, refusal of supplies could be integrated into the package of retaliatory sanctions. On the other hand, it’s sawing the branch on which you are sitting. Russia is too poor with its ridiculous average incomes and will never give up what keeps its economy afloat.

[Mr.Fischer]

Quote: NordUral

Comments are possible only obscene, which is unacceptable for ethical reasons. Well, the "competent" we have "our" government, lawyers are bad! They are ready to sell everything, from Soviet engines to the Motherland, but they simply cannot draw up an agreement, or maybe they do it so that the country is at a loss, and they, in any situation with "partners", with profits.

These treaties (contracts) are prepared by the Americans, the Russians only sign.

[Dormidont]

A trifle, but nice

[pafegosoff]

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a toothless, rotten, treacherous ministry, together with 90% of other ministries and departments fully working not for Russia but for the West.
If only nuclear war, and even Moscow - to ashes?

[Apollo]

Quote: Sarmat Sanych

Dimontius, who told you that the only one? Russia has not even introduced real sanctions against Matrasia. The cost of American assets in the Russian Federation (Coca-Cola, Exxon Mobil, GM, Dow, Pepsi, City Group, Chevron Corp., Kraft Foods, Cargill, Ford, GE, etc.) - HALF TRILLION $, that's more than 100 (! ) factories. Our investments in the Federal Reserve System are only $ 14 billion, while the value of Russian assets in the territory of Sashashka is only $ 5 billion, so look at the net difference. We can confiscate $ 500 billion of American assets and they will not be able to prevent us, because if they attack, they will receive the complete nuclear destruction of the States. Let them thank God that our elite is largely comprador. Also, Russia could completely PARALIZE the nuclear energy of America and the whole world. Rosatom is the only company on the planet with a cost-effective uranium enrichment technology. All the world producers of MOX fuel depend on it, including Westinghouse, we can stupidly arrange a collapse in the States by turning off all their nuclear power plants. I am generally silent about blocking the transit of the American contingent from Afghanistan to our territory; by the way, they have imported more than $ 2001 trillion of weapons and equipment there since 1. Plus the refusal on our part to return and send their astronauts from / to the ISS - this is generally the finish line for striped ears. The cost of both Russian and American segments of the ISS is $ 1 trillion, and our cosmonauts will take their segment for themselves, and all the Omerigans will look at it from Earth and defecate with snot. Russia is suffering for a very long time, it's time to show your teeth.

Interestingly, you just read what he "carries". The head physician of Ward No. 6 expressed his vision of solving the American problem, as such, and 17 (17 pluses) of his patients unanimously supported this appeal. The program of complete fooling of the nation went into a second round ... apparently, not everyone was hooked on the first.

[Mazandaran]

Everything is very simple for Americans! They will give up everything Russian in space and boast of THE WHOLE WORLD ... BUT it will all be until the first catastrophe, which will happen 100% !!! Remember the catastrophe in 1986 or 87, I don’t remember with 7 astronauts? So after that accident, NASA immediately forgot about SOI-1 and SOI-2, and began to negotiate with the USSR !!!

[Avior]

in 1986 there was Chernobyl.
And after 5 years, the USSR fell apart

[Mwg]

B A T U T to help them