Army games: for show and against the viewer?

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"Army Games-2018" ... Events, which until recently caused a keen interest not only among the military, but also among ordinary people. Modern military equipment. Representatives of a fairly large number of countries. Interestingly built competitions. The beauty, again, that in the tank biathlon, that in "Aviadarts".



Interest in the first games was hype. And genuine interest. And look at the technique of the same China, and pay attention to other participants with the judges. And, of course, cheer for their own.

All this was just recently. Something started 5 years ago.

And what do we see today? It seems the same game. The same stages. Soldiers and officers are trying to win at "their competition." Well-organized broadcasts of tank biathlon and competition reviews. And interest in games is fading. What is going on? Why did a good start not get a decent continuation? Why the expansion of the program of games did not attract the audience?

Start over. From a simple, but at the same time very difficult issue. What is the "Army Games"?

The answer seems to be obvious. To popularize our army, to give the army a more attractive image, to respect people who are engaged in military labor, our defense and defense of our country.

Good goal? Good, even very good. People in uniform really deserve respect.

We must see how difficult it is today to control military equipment, to shoot from combat weapons, build bridges, defuse minefields, repair equipment on the battlefield. At the games, this is done not under bullets and shrapnel, but before our eyes. Which is also quite difficult.

However, those who attended competitions outside the Alabino training ground noticed a depressing fact: the games are now being held ... for the sake of the games. 500-1000 spectators at such competitions is the limit. And even then, half of these spectators are in fact participants and representatives of the participating teams, members of their families and others associated with the conduct of individual competitions.



The organizers went ahead and expanded the geography of the competition venues. And they expanded not only within their own country. Today 8 from 28 game competitions are held outside of Russia.

On the one hand, this is good. And on the other? Is this popularization of the Russian army? Or a review competition, for example, military cooks or repairmen of weapons? How do you like the song / dance / KVN competition in Armenia?

The appearance of games abroad seems to be understandable from the point of view of foreign policy. People see the power of the Russian army. Question: is it necessary? And if necessary, to whom?

On the one hand, as one of our readers said, this is “a demonstration of the flag”. In our opinion, this is a demonstration of dope. “All the flags will be our guests” is, of course, great. The question is, what flags and why. Especially from an economic point of view.



For example, it is surprising in the discipline "Tank biathlon "the presence of such" giants "of the army as Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and further on the list. For Nicaragua, which is armed with the T-54, participation in the T-72 seems to us like some kind of attraction. Free of charge. The same applies to the other two participants who did not see Soviet tanks in the eye when they were born.

Come to learn. Okay, let's say. But when you watch the competition in person and on television, it is hard to believe in it. Separately, I want to say a few kind words to the military from Egypt. One gets the impression that there is no harder camel technology in their army. And here they just come off "on the ball", just crippling someone else's equipment. This applies to tanks and cars.



It is very difficult to say what profit we get from this, but what costs are already obvious. Broken machinery, burned engines, crushed gearboxes. Direct losses, because half of the participants - frank rogue who will never allow themselves to buy decent weapons.



But for free - why not go?

In general, it is very similar to the style of the Soviet Union, which also diligently licked the "allied brothers." And it is worth remembering how these allies unfolded and rapidly changed their orientation when something was going not for their reasons.

But this, again, is the case of the Minister of Defense: how to occupy the herds of “effective managers” in their own lands. It is useful for the country to transfer to the scrap such a quantity of military equipment each year - it means that the equipment will be disposed of by guests from other countries. No problem.

But the way of holding competitions in the Russian outback is annoying. And this is a more serious question than it seems at first glance.

What the organizers do is beyond any understanding at all. One gets the overall impression that the Defense Ministry does not care at all whether the audience will see these competitions or not. The main thing is that the Zvezda channel filmed a reportage, held a competition, and distributed medals. Ticked off.

Next - the grass does not grow. It is done.

What is it? Incompetence of military "directors"? Disregard for the civilian viewer? Misunderstanding the importance of the task? Or maybe the intentional creation of such conditions under which the civilian viewer simply will not go to the landfills?

It is clear that much of what happens at competitions, the viewer can not see firsthand simply for security reasons. Yes, on Elbrus you can’t drag spectators and you can’t drive a landing platoon.

But look at the organization of most competitions. These stages are broadcast on large screens, and the audience reacts quite adequately to this. Look at the perfectly organized broadcast tank biathlon. So you can make the competition more spectacular. So the reason is something else.

Tell me, do many people take a vacation or a day off for a trip to the beautifully named competitions "Troop Intelligence" in the Novosibirsk region to the Koltsovo training ground? View the landing, march, shooting, "scout path" competition mehvodov ...

Of course, voices about local viewers will now sound. They rush to the site for all of this to watch. Theoretically, maybe yes. And practically? Competitions are held on weekdays! Not on weekends, mostly, but when the organizers are appointed. Local viewers just work. And the million-plus city does not see this event, although it is trying very hard.

Aviadarts in Voronezh. Even on a weekday 5-6 thousand is easy. Once, by a miracle, the contest hit on Saturday, the most colorful part of it, “Aviamiks”. Yes, it was a crowd of thousands on 12, or even more.



Ostrogozhsk and ABT Masters. 2016 year. THE WHOLE district, all the settlements, sent their representatives. Exhibitions of achievements, cuisine, pickles, smoking. Everything is absolutely free, to the songs and dances of the people in historical suits.



And what a misery this year ... A quarter of what he saw in 2016. Because the working day, and in the agricultural center, everything in the fields is like.

The same story in Omsk. Grateful spectators from among cadets and officers of the material support academy observe the competitions of their own cadets with the Chinese ... And not the first year.

Worthless spent money on the organization of games. Having perfectly prepared the venues for competitions (everything glitters to the envy of the neighboring parts!), The organizers are completely uninterested in the viewer.

Yes, and what to attract, in addition to the entertainment tank biathlon? The confrontation of the Russian army and the army of Morocco? Or Venezuela, with all our respect for the servicemen of these armies?

Games have long become a competition between two armies: Russia and China. The remaining participants above the third place will not rise, alas. Therefore, do not even participate. How many contests left Kazakhstan and Belarus, for example.

At the same “Rembate” the three first places were played by the teams of Russia and China. Even traditionally participating in the competition in Kazakhstan this year did not want to disgrace.

Does anyone doubt our victory in the overall standings? The second will be the Chinese. That's the whole intrigue ...

But an example before the eyes! Just past the football championship. And we spent it! Any competitions without relevant "related events" will not be interesting. Without concerts, without souvenirs, without posters, without a press, without honoring the winners.

Why it is impossible to make a holiday from army games at every competition, and not just at the closing? No local artists? Or famous artists will not go into the outback? They go to war, but they don’t want to compete?

Why not hold competitions at the weekend? Games are stretched enough in time. So stretch even harder! Not for a month and a half, but for three or four. You look, this monstrous money vacuum cleaner, called “Patriot” park and working 6 days a year, during the “Army-20 ..” forum will cease to be unprofitable.

The most interesting and spectacular stages of transfer to the weekend. More people - more noise, more attention. Of course, the winners of the contest will survive the absence of spectators at the award ceremony, but damn it, they fought for these awards!

Need to think. To think not only about the stages of the competition, about the placement of teams, about the technique, but also about the audience and informational coverage. It’s a paradox, but the Russians know more about the European championship in water sports in the UK than about the international army games in Russia. Although ours are winning both there and there.

But ... canine competitions are not as interesting as jumping into the water. And so the competitions of military doctors and military police, and even more so.

We absolutely do not want to be known as goons, but ... Money must be learned not only to spend, but also to earn! That technique, which in sufficient quantities were sent to repair at these competitions. also worth the money. And the preparation for the games lasts more than one month.

I would like the Russian Ministry of Defense to finally understand this. By the way, an example of such an understanding can be seen on the sites of the same MO. Compare your own MO website and 2018 games site.

They can, when they want. But only when they want ...

Until next year, you want to want. Otherwise, a great idea will turn sour and turn into a routine, uninteresting to anyone unprofitable event for show.

We will not dispute, of course, up there, more visible.
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  1. +8
    13 August 2018 06: 10
    "participation in the T-72 seems to us a kind of attraction. Free." ... advertising is the engine of trade ... "One gets the impression that there is no equipment more complicated than a camel in their army. And here they just come off" on a ball ", just crippling someone else This applies to both tanks and cars. "... the question of how to approach this ... on the one hand, costs, but if we consider them as a stress test for technology ... then this is the task of designers, to make additional protection against Bedouin ... if they did it, then we can do the same.
    1. +6
      13 August 2018 06: 16
      In general, you probably should not confuse games with the same field of miracles ... The specifics are not the same ... Ultimately this is an e-show, but another real test of the combat readiness of both equipment and military ...
      1. +12
        13 August 2018 10: 15
        Nonsense. At competitions, combat readiness is not checked. It is checked on planned and sudden (especially) checks with the rise on the "Alarm".
        1. +2
          13 August 2018 18: 49
          no bullshit
          an attempt to create "your" allied camp
          . make contacts for future arms shipments. and the balls are not for MO and Shoigu

          GREAT POLICY - AN ATTEMPT TO FIND TO PUNCH ALLIES OR NEUTRAL COUNTRIES FOR A FUTURE WAR.
          MO AND SHOIGU- NOT SHOWN AND DEATH IN TR MV IS NOT SHOWN WHERE - DO NOT REALIZE SHOW
    2. +4
      13 August 2018 06: 27
      Interesting opinion. Stress test ... There is something to it. But protection from boudoins is impossible to do by definition. Boudouins are always different. laughing
      1. -1
        13 August 2018 07: 40
        no matter how much money was spent on all sorts of championships and "games", they still would not have gotten to the hard workers, so why feel sorry for them. although of course it is jarring that children are collected on TV for treatment ... but children would not have gotten this money either.
        1. 0
          13 August 2018 09: 41
          Well, then everything should be given to you by the state.
          And everyone will lazily pick their finger in their teeth, and sentence - they gave little.
          There was such a country of the USSR, a new Soviet man was grown there, who basically reasoned that way.
          It partially succeeded.
          1. -1
            13 August 2018 18: 32
            This country, the USSR - and now there is! But goons were and will be everywhere! Especially there are a lot of them in capitalist countries, such as the Russian Federation, the SGA, the Federal Republic of Germany and others, and these goons are called bankers and capitalists, as well as their hangers-on like you!

            For Our Soviet Motherland!
        2. -1
          13 August 2018 10: 22
          Quote: Dead Day
          although of course it jars that children are collected on TV for treatment ... but the children would not have gotten this money.

          Why are newborn disabled children not supported by the state? Here, unfortunately, the state only cynical economic calculation. Judge for yourself, only millions of rubles are required to carry out an operation or a series of operations. And most of these diseases are not completely cured in principle. Of course, you can save the life of a child, but this is only half the battle. Then he is granted disability and money is paid throughout his life. Parents and relatives of this child are often forced to take sick leave to care for the child, etc. As a result, such children for the most part place a great burden on the social part of the budget. Those. money that was supposed to go to increase payments for a healthy child, to maintain kindergartens, schools, etc. they won’t reach them. All this, of course, sounds cynical and cruel, you can’t argue, but how can it affect the health of the nation in 100-200 years, will it not degenerate due to human intervention in the laws of nature in the natural selection of the most healthy species. Previously, such children died without a chance to survive, and no one except those close to such children, especially because of this, was worried, because this, I say again, is a law of nature. On the other hand, the development of medicine can eventually lead to the fact that some of the incurable diseases today can be defeated.
          I just tried to convey to you the logic of the behavior of the state machine in relation to incurable newborn children. To agree or disagree with this is everyone’s choice.
          1. +2
            13 August 2018 11: 22
            I was just trying to convey to you the logic of the state machine.

            Write complete garbage. If that were so, why would half-kilogram babies be born in the perinatal centers. After all, they will still acquire certain chronicles. In general, if you do not know do not write, do not make yourself a super-analyst.

            If we talk about those who are really hopelessly ill, then the truth is in your words, but this is not a state policy, but the Russian mentality: "thank God I have suffered" is a favorite phrase in oncology. Nobody says that the patient could have been saved am - this is simply the "gold standard" of Soviet and now Russian medicine.
            1. 0
              13 August 2018 13: 02
              Quote: bk316
              Write complete garbage.

              Well, where am I going to you, especially with this pearl
              Quote: bk316
              If that were so, why would half-kilogram babies be born in the perinatal centers. After all, they will still acquire certain chronicles
              wassat For your information, they carry not only half a kilogram, but starting from 0,5 kg. My younger brother, too, was born prematurely during the Soviet era, but he has no illnesses.
              Quote: bk316
              In general, if you do not know do not write, do not make yourself a super-analyst.

              You tell yourself this, standing in front of the mirror fool
              1. +3
                13 August 2018 16: 06
                Well, where am I going to you, especially with this pearl
                Quote: bk316

                “If it were so, why would they carry it in the perinatal centers half a kilogram babies. After all, they will still acquire certain chronicles
                wassat For your information, they carry not only half a kilogram, but from 0,5 kg. My younger brother, too, was born prematurely during the Soviet era, but he has no illnesses.

                YES YOU ARE SICK WITH DARKNESS! Where I wrote about one and a half kilograms, READ CAREFULLY, otherwise you see not what is written, but WHAT YOU WANT.
                For the Soviet Union, half-kilogram infants were considered stillborn.
                1. +1
                  13 August 2018 16: 28
                  kilogrammkilogrammhalf-kilogramsmma half kilogrammmmarketing ... belay
                  1. +1
                    14 August 2018 09: 48
                    With us, everyone who went not even Chernobyl, but to Bryansk has long been in a different world ...

                    Your truth is my mistake.
                    But from the absence of one of the M, "semi-" does not become "one and a half-" bully
        3. +2
          13 August 2018 11: 22
          There are subsidies for the treatment of children and the rest, and the fact that everyone collects this on TV is everyone’s business, but via SMS faster - no need to collect paper, etc.
    3. +4
      13 August 2018 11: 26
      1. Games show the peaceful nature of Russia.
      Let's compete at the training grounds and find out who is stronger .mobile. More precisely .and better
      "Oh, sport, you are the world" - this famous phrase was said by Pierre de Coubertin and is still the Olympic motto
      2. Show the world the "complete isolation" of Russia. Organized by the USA and its Western partners. Competitions began to be held within the framework of these games, not only at the training grounds of the Russian Federation, but also in other countries.
      3. With regard to commercial issues and media coverage in Russia ..
      But are these media Russian and do they work for the good of Russia?
      1. +2
        13 August 2018 19: 27
        Quote: To be or not to be
        1. Games show the peaceful nature of Russia.

        Sorry! At least a thousand minuses put, completely! stop
        Tank biathlon and army games show the peaceful nature of Russia ... fellow With your permission, I will continue the transfer.
        The unrequited reactions to the atrocities against Russian diplomacy and diplomats show ... fellow The peaceful nature of Russia ... fellow And also the peaceful nature of Russia shows the boorish attitude of the government to the structure of military camps, to solving issues about the length of service of the wives of the military, about retirement benefits ... A special peaceful coexistence is demonstrated to WADA, various figures demanding compensation for moral and material damage allegedly incurred during times of the Soviet "occupation" ... belay Melancholy in relation to American sanctions, supported by European satellites, an incomprehensible ruble growth with a rising oil price - peacefulness and spinelessness in relation to partners ... stop Pedantry regarding contract execution.
        Someone persistently wants destruction (not the economy, which can only be called speculation) of the foundations of life. Perhaps a killer meteorite or some other kind of attack is approaching the Earth, but this is the only way to explain the entire “populism” of Russian politics on the international arena and inside the country ...
  2. +14
    13 August 2018 06: 20
    Any competition first of all creates a spirit of competition - a situation arises of evaluating who is better. This is important to create an atmosphere and incentives to improve professional skills. Moreover, almost all units take part in the qualifying competitions - the winners come from the very bottom, from regiments, divisions, etc. Spectators, entertainment, and so on are side effects. As for "ditched equipment", there is enough of it in ordinary army life, I don't see anything wrong with that, and is there really so much of it, as the authors write about it. There are side effects in big sports too - serious injuries and other troubles. There are no roses without thorns.
    1. -3
      13 August 2018 19: 33
      Quote: vlad007
      Any competition, first of all, creates a competitive spirit - there is a situation of evaluating who is better.

      I remember "girls with low social responsibility" also organized competitions ... belay Such a breathtaking competition was present that it was difficult to determine "who is better" ... feel
      Army competitions can only be between friendly teams. Something is not visible to our partners in Syria. That's where the field of activity is !!! fellow This is where there are great opportunities to prove yourself !!! fellow Or are Russia's interests in Syria not the interests of its partners? belay
    2. 0
      15 August 2018 09: 24
      Excuse me, but with whom and how do we compete (by the way, this was discussed the other day)? With countries that have nothing but 70-year-old tanks? With countries that these same T-72s have never been seen? With those who have no money to bring their equipment? Moreover, we'd better "tune" our own tank ... This is also the article - "guys, come for extras, we'll let you destroy the tanks, take a ride, everything is paid for ... And the Chinese and I will arrange a competition"
  3. +10
    13 August 2018 07: 08
    "Surprising in the" Tank Biathlon "discipline is the presence of such" grandees "of the army as Nicaragua, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and further on the list."
    And the presence of the state of Tonga, Mexico, India, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, Togo (!!!!!) and further on the list at the Winter Olympics .... wasn’t you surprised? And what's wrong with that. Maybe the respected authors were just offended for their quadcopter? But the information support was disgusting. There are no contest results. There are no intermediate results. It seems that the IT and PR tender was won by a team of vocational schools from the village of Gadyukino. I would especially like to note the commentator of the Tank Biathlon. I first began to write down the nonsense that he said. And then he stopped after one phrase, in comparison with which everything else taken together is childish babble. I quote: "The whole of Belarus is supporting the Belarusian team now. Why is Belarus there! Perhaps the President itself is supporting it now! PRESIDENT! LUKASHENKO!"
    1. +7
      13 August 2018 09: 47
      The author of a series of dissatisfied.
      For these, no matter how you do it, it's not like that. He has repeatedly participated in reconstruction projects of his city.
      The conclusion is very simple - you can make a super project, borders with a gold border.
      But there will certainly be a group of comrades screaming at all angles about the fact that they were again not given something. Or they gave little. Or not what they wanted.
      But they didn’t say what they wanted.
      Of course, these citizens hate power and Putin. Of course, these citizens fundamentally do not participate in any discussions, much less help with anything.
      The maximum participation is a beer bottle thrown into the nearest ballot box.
      Who tells them that they all owe them when capitalism has been 28 years old in the yard?
      1. +4
        13 August 2018 12: 52
        Nicaragua and Bangladesh were not there this year. The Nicaraguan army has been using the T72M1 for several years. The Nicaraguan seventy-two have a state-of-the-art fire control system, which includes a PN-72 Sosna-U gunner-operator sight with automatic target tracking and a panoramic device for the commander of the PKP-72 Falcon Eye machine with a third-generation thermal imager. The navigation system has been mounted. The gun is equipped with an improved stabilizer. Another feature of this tank is the remote control of a 12,7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun.
        1. +4
          13 August 2018 16: 22
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Nicaragua and Bangladesh this year were not

          But then, as the authors threw something on the fan! It's expensive!
          It’s interesting, but if you tell them that there used to be competitions inside the armed forces and there weren’t any spectators there at all?
      2. -2
        13 August 2018 16: 53
        Quote: Mestny
        The author of a series of dissatisfied. For these, no matter how you do it - it's not like that ... Maximum participation - a beer bottle thrown into the nearest ballot box.
        Who tells them that they all owe them when capitalism has been 28 years old in the yard?

        The author expressed his opinion and nothing more. It is foolish to organize an army "ostentatious" competition, the purpose of which is rather vague. The army should not compete, but simply fulfill its functions of defenders. It looks ridiculous against the background of aircraft falling from an aircraft-carrying cruiser. Or tank biathlon on the T-72abvgd with the T-14 advertisement. A sense of some resentment arises when spending the military budget with such military pensions and the prospects for their future payments. Even the Victory Parade is such a problematic event, legalized by the USSR Marshal LIB in 1965. Stalin spent it with the desired purpose and, instead of shagistika, was engaged in the creation of nuclear weapons and price reductions with the abolition of food ration cards. Sorry, but giving people 11 rubles a month and talking about some kind of parade is humiliating for the winners. This is bullshit.
        And there is something to be content with in Russia. The truth about this is rarely written, even less often shown, and they find no reason to cultivate exactly this, good and good, without showing off and bravado, simply by right of existence.

        Quote: Mestny
        The conclusion is very simple - you can make a super project, borders with a gold border.

        The conclusion may be simple, but not appealing. The thing is that things do not move beyond projects, "May decrees", "cunning plans", breakthroughs. And the culprit for this is the very people who do not drink at all, but take an empty bottle put up on the curb by the "busy" gentleman and throw it into the trash can. Believe me, this is much more useful than scattering the accumulated millions from the meager treasury while keeping the workers themselves in a "black body" ... Yes
        1. +1
          17 August 2018 00: 38
          "tank biathlon on T-72abvgd with T-14 advertising" can be carried out with the aim of selling these "abvgd" somewhere when changing generations of tank technology. Didn't it come to mind ??
  4. +4
    13 August 2018 07: 14
    Through these games, Russia acquaints the Papuans with its army and country. It can be considered that this is one of the instruments of "soft power". It is quite possible that our services are working with the arriving contingent for the future ... The Papuans' presidential forge of personnel is the army, who knows how it will turn out later ...
    So such games need to be held, but money must also be considered.
    1. +7
      13 August 2018 08: 20
      Quote: I am Russian
      Through these games, Russia acquaints the Papuans with its army and country. It can be considered that this is one of the instruments of "soft power". It is quite possible that our services are working with the arriving contingent for the future ... The Papuans' presidential forge of personnel is the army, who knows how it will turn out later ...
      So such games need to be held, but money must also be considered.


      hi
      In my opinion - the most accurate definition of the Games

      I will add that this is also an advertisement for our weapons.

      And who knows, perhaps such a promotion of military products is cheaper and more effective than other methods.

      Where else can you compare in "business" with Chinese samples - our main competitors

  5. +10
    13 August 2018 07: 22
    Competitions take place on weekdays! Not on the weekend, mainly, but when the organizers will appoint
    Competitions are held according to the approved and agreed plan and established schedule. Or do the authors want them to be held twice a week (exclusively on weekends) and be extended for 2-3 months? Who can visit the games, as they say in nature, who can’t watch on TV (the authors themselves note that tank biathlon is well covered by the media). In such competitions, equipment breakdowns can not be dispensed with, for that it is also equipment.
    of course, up there, it’s more visible
    If you discard the irony of the author, then probably really know better.
    1. +4
      13 August 2018 09: 54
      The authors also wish that they would be fed a free barbecue, cleaned up behind them, provided urban comfort in the field, and that the broadcast would be at the highest level.
      How much all this costs, the authors certainly do not know. They want, as in the USSR, money from the nightstand. Otherwise, Putin and the authorities are to blame.
  6. +2
    13 August 2018 07: 37
    All these army games are just Minister Shoigu's favorite toys (big boy big toys). And an extra reason for his own self-PR. In addition, these toys are funded from the article "Combat training." That is, they break out of the cost of training an ordinary soldier in the usual linear unit. But he can go to battle tomorrow! Not only do money go to Shoigu’s games (training grounds outside of Alabino and Pogonovo are in ruin, with targets to the back of the river and supported by hacking commanders, even in the same 1st Panzer Army) with money for the training base of combat training, as well as a simple soldier and combat training do not work out! Yes Yes. The Zvezda broadcasts to us that games contribute to improving the combat skills of the entire personnel of the RF Armed Forces. No matter how! In each unit, crews (crews, units) are selected to participate in compound competitions. And they are being trained for these competitions at the expense of motor resources, ammunition and time at the training ground at the expense of other fighters of the unit. Indeed, if at the competitions subordinates show a low result, the commander will not be late. So it’s better to prepare the competitors thoroughly, and then pull up the unit that is set according to the plan for verification. The rest - only to provide the first two categories. And in the case of which everyone should go!
    The vast majority of competitions will never be spectacular. And such a scope of their conduct is just a waste of time. Competitions for the best reconnaissance unit, Airborne Division, MP unit, ship, etc. always carried out in the army, ever since Soviet times. And also for the best company commander, battalion. Quiet and without PR. And the guys always fought, as for Moscow in the 41st. About competitions for the best commander, before the advent of games, even on TV there were plots. But the army doesn’t advertise and the Patriot Park does, but reports from the place of real battles and training fields, as the late Leshchinsky was expertly able to do, and now Sladkov and Poddubny are doing it. So in the furnace all these games! Excessive straining for the commanders and the killing of equipment and more real reports about the life of the army and its affairs. Well, if you really want to, you can leave the most spectacular, such as tank biathlon and air darts. Moreover, in Alabino so much money was swollen, so many swamps were drained and everything was built.
    1. -2
      13 August 2018 08: 28
      Right now, they’ll take you for a minute !!! Although I adhere to the same point of view, the benefit was an example before my eyes (this is about the fact that the entire unit plows the crew that was selected)
      1. -2
        13 August 2018 09: 56
        And when was it different?
    2. 0
      13 August 2018 09: 19
      Absolutely agree. There is nothing to add.
    3. +1
      13 August 2018 15: 53
      . All these army games are just Minister Shoigu's favorite toys (big boy big toys).

      And Peter I had his favorite toys (amusement regiment and a boat)
      1. -2
        13 August 2018 16: 59
        Quote: igorbrsv
        And Peter I had his favorite toys (amusement regiment and a boat)

        True, he struck a boat himself and was a commander in a mock regiment ... belay
    4. +2
      13 August 2018 16: 58
      Quote: Old Tankman
      it’s better to prepare the competitors thoroughly, and then pull up the unit that is set according to the plan for verification. The rest - only to provide the first two categories. And in the case of which everyone should go!
      Actually, you won’t get off with one unit, at least 2/3 of the main units of the unit are involved in the final inspection.
      1. -1
        13 August 2018 18: 57
        I would like to see this final one! Maybe you are thinking about Our Soviet Army? So today it’s the RF!
        The neighbor's son served a year in the guards, Moscow district 2016/2017, spring. I was sworn in and came to the unit ... Combat training !!!!! carried out with conscripts, only in quarantine (KMB): shot, single (AK 74M) - 8 rounds; Neither ZOMP, nor the actions of a soldier in battle, nor self-digging, nor running around in tanks, nor studying regular BTR / BMP, nor, nor, nor ... his unit (platoon) did not have (!!!) full-time weapons (were not attached to the room) .... What did he do all year ??? Cleaning the territory, cleaning military equipment in the park, sweeping the crowbar with a crowbar!
        Yes! I almost forgot ... they were dressed in a mixture of the VKBO and the stool uniform (all used). Part of the form was bought by parents due to lack of sizes !!! From this, he and his comrades repeatedly caught the so-called military police !!!
        And tell me, with such data, why ... serve in the army for a year? Yes, half a year is enough for the eyes, especially if you just take a little l / s combat training!
  7. +11
    13 August 2018 08: 22
    Worthlessly spent money on the organization of games.

    But an example before your eyes! Just past soccer championship. And we spent it!
    It's so fashionable to count other people's money. That ineptly spent money on the World Cup, then less than a month has passed and already the World Cup is set up as an example of holding competitions by the same people who swore "not good words" ...
    We absolutely do not want to pass for rednecks, but ... Money needs to be learned not only to spend, but also to earn!
    On some projects, you need to either wait a long time for financial returns, creating a reputation of the project, increasing its popularity, or create an aura of scandals around these projects, hiring the appropriate leaders.
    That's just not all in this world, still not everything is measured in money. And not everything that is done needs to be turned into a frank show.
    Yes, and how to attract, in addition to the entertainment of tank biathlon? The confrontation between the Russian army and the army of Morocco?
    Do we prohibit the participation of our "partners" from NATO in these competitions? Teams from 33 countries participate in the games and it is not our fault that the USA team is not on this list. China, claiming high roles in world politics, was not afraid to send a team with its equipment. The USA did not send. To persuade them? What for? If they do not want to, then there are reasons. Cancel the competition due to the lack of teams from NATO countries? Not even funny.
    1. +2
      13 August 2018 11: 28
      A successful show is already a good advertisement.
    2. -3
      13 August 2018 17: 05
      Quote: Less
      It’s so fashionable to count other people's money.

      It is so trivial to appropriate the money earned by the whole world for oneself, and having chosen a handful of more, indicate the inadmissibility of looking into someone else's pocket. Do you know whose psychology this is? Dima from a thrift store: "Comrades, no one has canceled the money yet. From each according to his ability, to each according to his work in his cash."
      So! stop
      - We will just mercilessly fight with people living on, say, unearned income!

      And let's not just squander state money ... Yes
  8. BAI
    +7
    13 August 2018 09: 11
    They focused on television. As with the naval parade in St. Petersburg. Want to see more - watch TV. By the way, at the expense of the Egyptians, the tank also broke down on the Russian crew. Ignorant and rogue too?
  9. +6
    13 August 2018 10: 32
    I believe that we need these games first of all! Electric trains are also not profitable, and now what to cover them all? Of course, the coverage of the games this year was poor. I myself received all the news only through the Internet. Of course, a television show could be better organized, especially from China.
    1. -3
      13 August 2018 17: 15
      Quote: steel maker
      I believe that we need these games first of all!

      We (Russia) need, first of all, various kinds of exhibitions of military equipment, with a demonstration of capabilities.
      Even more necessary is the availability of the latest models in the troops.
      More importantly, the whole world sees the much-vaunted F-35 fall to the ground after meeting the S-400. That the T-14 is really an indestructible tank. That "Buratino" is the golden key that opens any defense. That "Peter the Great" is great because Peter, Paul, Michael and other Great Ones stand behind him.
      And it is especially important that the Russian army is not the laughing stock under whose nose nuclear submarines are drowned, planes and helicopters are shot down, people are hacked, the "great Ukrainian fleet" arrests civilian ships, and a fragile barge sinks a warship ... request
      1. +2
        13 August 2018 17: 49
        Quote: ROSS 42
        first of all, various exhibitions of military equipment are needed, with a demonstration of the possibilities

        They are there even without your "tips".

        Quote: ROSS 42
        More importantly, the whole world sees the much-vaunted F-35 fall to the ground after meeting the S-400. That the T-14 is really an indestructible tank. That "Buratino" is that golden key that opens any defense

        Do you offer war? With whom, where? Negotiate ... wink

        Quote: ROSS 42
        And archie it is important that the Russian army is not the laughing stock under which the nuclear submarines are drowning, knocking down planes and helicopters, shredding people ...

        The laughing stock of the Russian Army is not at all. You and your kind are the laughing stock, who are trying to grow any mote to the size of a log ... which, one cannot but admit, is successful for a certain horse of Tingent Yes

        Quote: ROSS 42
        We (Russia) need

        And who, in fact, are you to speak for all of Russia? R-divorced you, (censorship) ...
        1. -2
          13 August 2018 19: 41
          Who are you? At least I have a region on Ava, and you have a dog. Are you here, Marshal? A miserable mockery of the heroism of individuals. A disgrace that does not recognize its compatriots. Shy about the Americans? It is necessary to fight with those who attack Russia, and not the areas of the alleged transportation of hydrocarbons. You wipe a spatula with a rag - it will sparkle. You are not a decree to me. I fulfilled my duty ...
          1. +1
            13 August 2018 20: 02
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Who are you?

            A question has been asked of you. I’m chernukha, unlike you, I don’t pour. On behalf of Russia, yeah.

            Quote: ROSS 42
            A miserable mockery of the heroism of individuals. A disgrace that does not recognize its compatriots

            Did you turn to me? Feel free, to some people ... on the Internet you are warriors, in real life, as experience shows - ... not really, I’ll say so request
            Or does the "gossky world" haunt you? So you don't scratch him too much, like Honduras ...

            Quote: ROSS 42
            It is necessary to fight with those who attack Russia ...

            Has someone attacked the Russian Federation? Just about the "gussky world" do not start rubbing in, they have already pulled up this "world" negative

            Quote: ROSS 42
            I fulfilled my duty ...

            No idea what you did there and where. At the moment, you are running rage on the internet. Black. And you lie through the word, like a gray horse.

            To which, in fact, it was indicated to you Yes
    2. -1
      17 August 2018 16: 53
      The TV channel "Zvezda" had a normal broadcast of the competition: emotional commentators, replays (from different angles) of interesting and spectacular moments, analytical reviews during the breaks. No, it is possible that the coverage of the competition on the Kultura TV channel was not very good, but on the thematic channel there was no need to complain.
      Of course, broadcasting from China is worse, but there was not a tank biathlon (namely, it was the most spectacular), and do not forget about the difference in time zones.
      Interestingly, have you seen a lot of broadcasts of football matches and, for example, rugby matches? I suppose that you came across a broadcast of football much more often. So with the army games - tank biathlon is the most spectacular of all types.
  10. +2
    13 August 2018 10: 39
    I would argue with some points, but the general message is correct. I myself, because of the frankly stupid schedule, could not visit anything, although I wanted to. For example, MAKS has not missed a single one since 2007; the Navy’s interior in St. Petersburg has been the same since that time. But at the same MAX, I know for sure that if you come in the morning, and one hour before the show, even with a regular ticket (not a VIP) go to the runway - you are guaranteed to see a beautiful sight.

    Competition is competition. The fact that we are competing with China, that we are trying to be the first (and it turns out) is not a reason not to conduct them. In rhythmic gymnastics, we are also the first for many years, and so what - not to take part in this? And interest does not fade away from her. The fact that the rest are not enough is the rest of the problems, not ours. Let them practice. Although here, perhaps, it makes sense to develop several additional nominations.

    The main results: the possibility of a real comparison of the combat readiness of the armed forces of the countries among themselves. It’s better here to prove to each other who has more caliber than at the forefront. And for many, the results of such competitions are sobering from military outbursts. And this is important for maintaining peace.
  11. -2
    13 August 2018 11: 09
    It’s just not so long ago that I was spinning these thoughts in my head.
    The author is right.
  12. +3
    13 August 2018 11: 22
    Honestly, all these games are for an amateur, personally, I don’t watch them at all on TV, I would not have looked anywhere else.
  13. +3
    13 August 2018 12: 05
    But for free - why not go?

    Is it free? Yes, and why not Moroccans ride? First of all, it is the skill of the crews, not those. equipment
  14. +1
    13 August 2018 14: 53
    VO is an article for the "Opinion" section. no analytical work.
    PS. I watched army games either on the Internet or on TV. It doesn’t need to break, and nothing escapes the vigilant eyes of hundreds of cameras, you choose what and when to watch. In general, I recommend a try to the author.
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  16. +2
    13 August 2018 18: 11
    I look at the Chinese flag and remember what a beautiful flag we had, and what a faceless, homely today
  17. +1
    13 August 2018 18: 37
    Nicaragua bought a T-72 White Eagle 50 units.
  18. +2
    15 August 2018 11: 29
    Whatever the child would entertain ...

    On the one hand, this is of course a military cabal.

    On the other hand, qualifying competitions in units during the year, at which it is determined who will represent the country at international competitions, is a very significant incentive and rather a plus.

    But comparing the tank biathlon of the main in Rush and the Strong Europe Tank Challenge, you notice how different they are - more dynamic and ostentatious in Russia and military-applied in Bavaria.
    Some demonstrate the art of driving and shooting individual crews at the public, others coherence of firing and maneuvers as part of platoons - as this will happen in a combat situation.


    Which is better from these two completely different approaches - the prestige of the army or the peak of military training.
    The second approach is closer to me.
    But this does not mean that our tank crews do not do this for a year - they have the right to work once a year on the spectator.
    The question of the price of this "entertainment" was not discussed with the Russians.
    1. -1
      17 August 2018 15: 34
      This is a completely different competition. If you use sports terminology, in Russia they hold tank biathlon - run and shoot for accuracy, and in NATO tank all-around, where participants get points for performing certain tasks. and then the winner is calculated by the best amount. In my opinion, tank biathlon is more spectacular, especially for non-professional tankers. If you served as a tanker, and with good combat training, you can understand what is happening in the competition.
      Let's cancel all the ostentatiousness in sports - football / hockey is a solid pretense. Boxing - ostentatious gloves down, you give broken jaws, broken eyes!
      Figure skating - and what's the point in their antics on the ice. Let them ride in a circle at speed, distance and jump height. And already there is a short track, where the circles are cut at the rink. If you recall the history of figure skating, then the skaters used to skate "school", but then it was canceled, since it was not spectacular for the audience and was of interest only to specialists.
  19. -1
    15 August 2018 14: 55
    Games they are games. Played - it's time to get down to business. And when you’re not doing very well ... Let's play some more. No, but PR, at least among third world countries. I understand that if Germans, Americans, Israelis, French, Japanese all participated with their equipment. That would be a comparison of tank schools! Moreover, with the development of tasks as part of a platoon company. Team on team ... And so - writing off money.
  20. +1
    17 August 2018 15: 09
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Army competitions can only be between friendly teams.

    Not convinced. Why army competitions can only be between friendly teams? And if there are not friendly groups, then why are army competitions between them not possible?
    In general, the entire sport of mankind was born as a military-applied one. That is, the sport of antiquity was in essence an army sport.
  21. 0
    21 August 2018 14: 38
    the authors have their own style. recognized from the first paragraph.
    though yab called this style "Yaroslavna's cry".

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